@@MiloTCG I believe you’re smarter than that they walk hand in hand together, and you know that, what wizards did by allowing this ban list was a huge slap in the face to the consumer, wizards just got done selling Ixilan and Commander Masters, then they ban the cards that were the chasers for both sets….kinda messed up huh!
@@davidwright7922 oh, I 100% agree that the timing is “interesting” at best. Both commander masters and Ixalans main chases are crypts and lotus. I just can’t without evidence say in a video that they purposely screwed over players and lgs’s. I would like to know if they themselves sold off any crypts before the list was made though. All speculation atm, nobody is happy to lose money.
@@MiloTCG you don’t need them to come out and blatantly admit something when the proof is in the pudding….the rules committee, which is the law of the land when it comes to mtgs formats HAS TO run by any decisions in regards to bans through WOTC….If they didn’t there would be a major conflict of interest in regards to the financial side of product and what sales would be like. That is 100% fact, as for your other take in regards to whether or not people at WOTC/the rules committee sold off product before the decision was made(insider trading)…that would be speculation but one can assume so
@@davidwright7922 God you're an idiot. The rules committee is exclusive to the Commander format has no ties to WOTC and has to do nothing of the sort. You clearly DO NOT know what you are talking about and are just making things up as you type. You have an opinion based on absolutely nothing but your ideas. You have already stated something that is not true about the rules committee, therefore the rest of anything you say should be looked at as wrong and idiotic. WOTC regulates every format but commander. Its repeatedly stated by people over and over that WOTC waits too long to ban problematic cards in their formats because of this conflict of interest, they want these new cards to sell packs so they wait to ban in standard and modern. This is a KNOWN ISSUE, and you are an idiot.
It's split between try hard players that invested in said expensive, powerful cards and the players who remember that Commander is supposed to be about fun, casual games between friends where it's not about the finale but the journey. Too many players in a rush to win as fast as possible and all 3 of the mana producing cards did that.
I'm a bit whatever on it. Replaced Dockside with RMS Titanic for fun in tuned Korvold. Other copies I luckily proxied. I had Mana Crypt in Darien mono white (hurt yourself deck). Replaced with a janky fun card. The monetary value will just move over to other cards I own as well such as Mana Vault/Ancient Tomb/Moxes etc. I do feel for the LGS store owners and cEDH people though.
The internet needs to find all sales of Crypt, Dockside, and Jeweled Lotus from before the bans, see if they were sold by anyone on the rules commits/wizards employees and out them. They should be prosecuted for some form of insider trading given the amount of loss from it’s customers
isnt commander a casual format? even CEDH? therefore players under rule 0 can simply ignore the ban list if they dont agree with it. On the matter of proxies, I dont mind within reason so long as the player is not simply trying to pub stomp as the game needs to be enjoyed afterall.
There are so many people that I've played with on a weekly basis that have either fully quit or scaled way back since they banned jeweled lotus and mana crypt. I haven't quit yet but I'm losing interest fast. I used to buy 2 regular boxes and 1 collector booster box and all the commander decks that came out each set. Now i maybe will buy 1 single commander deck and that's it. Talking to people still left in our play group many have expressed similar feelings.... Mtg's future looks bleak to me.
Rules committee will get away with this unless people start voicing their dissatisfaction with WOTC or Hasbro and make it clear that the ban will hurt their sales because of loss of consumer confidence.
Don’t tell me the Committee is not totally connected to Wizards. Commander is a major staple of MTG and WOTC makes a lot of products for it. They absolutely have a say in what gets banned.
This list is a joke 😂 Nadu is a sorcery speed combo that dies hard to removal. They even say so. The rest are the foundation of the formats explosive plays. With dockside probablying being the biggest "problem card" but im not even sure its that big a problem since it scales well with tables.
@@MiloTCG exactly you know what bothers me isn't how much money I lost in these cards. It's how I felt forced to purchase them because the format wasn't banning things in a timely manner. Dockside got reprinted that should have at least told you they weren't on the same page, especially after reprinting manacrypt multiple times including a recent standard set. Nadu doesn't bother me. That was timely but how do you explainJuled lotus? who didn't say this card was too powerful in the beginning and they let it go on and force people to invest
@@yesimchar the deck I was building for the tournament only allowed for 20 proxies. I definitely would have proxies this one but the 20 i was using them for were wayyy out of my price range atm.
@@MiloTCG why would the tournament organizer do that and then try to call it cedh? allowing some proxies but not all doesn't make sense. it sounds like whoever was running it owned all the cards for their deck already and decided that because they spent thousands of dollars everyone else should suffer as well. the whole spirit of the format is that you play with the best of the best cards no matter what. all the top online and in person tournaments I've been to for cedh are 100% proxy friendly. I'm not upset at you, but upset on your behalf at the tournament organizer. that's ridiculous
@@DangerKennyB only for a cedh tournament maybe. I proxy when I’m just at a friends house or something. Which looks like what I’ll mostly likely continue to keep doing
Honestly, I've dropped commander because I've seen this coming. Sold everything way before this. Glad i did, but at the same time im actually waiting to see how this is gonna shake up decks now.
I've had more commander games where I played dockside and got net 1 or 2 extra which is the same as a dark ritual. This was not a problem in low powered commander at all. Only competitive magic.
Exactly and edh pods usually have their own rules and power level caps anyway. CEDH should not be held to the same rules since it is meant to be a faster format with high power levels
@@mikerailton304 they made the game fast paced an competitive as intended. Nobody wants to be at the lgs for an hour only to be on turn 8. Save that for at home chill magic.
@@mikerailton304 sure it wasn't intended to be, but the community decided to make it competitive. We can't deny the difference in deck powers between what ppl consider to be cedh and edh.
@@MiloTCG In CEDH Dockside is THE red card what are you even talking about? Dockside and then Jeska's. What CEDH are you watching because all the stuff I watch Dockside is EVERYWHERE :D
Wtf are you talking about? The only people who didn't want these bans are the ones who owned these broken, overpriced cards. Stop speaking for the entire community and speak for yourself.
@@Zeromus5555 guess you didn’t watch the video. I’m fine with the ban, even despite me just buying a mana crypt this past weekend. As far as I see from the responses on twitter and here, the majority of competitive players did not want this. Casual players don’t care. I see your issue is with their pricing and how good they were for fast paced gameplay. These cards were great for making games go fast, nobody wanted to be stuck in an lgs for over an hour on round 1 only to be on turn 8.
@@maxreis9534 didn't know you could be a player and not a buyer. You mean people who didn't own these cards are happy. Your separation of the two is odd.
Fully on board with proxying this game from now on.
i also proxy but was wanting to play in a upcoming cedh tournamnet.
Same lost 2000
I was on the fence but now I feel like I’ve got money to lose if I don’t
@@MiloTCGmost cedh ones are proxy maybe a SCG one ? Mana crypt is just such a huge hit I mean $180 it’s brutal
@@Capt_McNugget sorry to hear man :(
I absolutely can’t stand when people say the rules committee isn’t part of wizards….it 1000% is
maybe maybe not, read straight from the mtg wiki though.
@@MiloTCG I believe you’re smarter than that they walk hand in hand together, and you know that, what wizards did by allowing this ban list was a huge slap in the face to the consumer, wizards just got done selling Ixilan and Commander Masters, then they ban the cards that were the chasers for both sets….kinda messed up huh!
@@davidwright7922 oh, I 100% agree that the timing is “interesting” at best. Both commander masters and Ixalans main chases are crypts and lotus. I just can’t without evidence say in a video that they purposely screwed over players and lgs’s. I would like to know if they themselves sold off any crypts before the list was made though. All speculation atm, nobody is happy to lose money.
@@MiloTCG you don’t need them to come out and blatantly admit something when the proof is in the pudding….the rules committee, which is the law of the land when it comes to mtgs formats HAS TO run by any decisions in regards to bans through WOTC….If they didn’t there would be a major conflict of interest in regards to the financial side of product and what sales would be like. That is 100% fact, as for your other take in regards to whether or not people at WOTC/the rules committee sold off product before the decision was made(insider trading)…that would be speculation but one can assume so
@@davidwright7922 God you're an idiot. The rules committee is exclusive to the Commander format has no ties to WOTC and has to do nothing of the sort. You clearly DO NOT know what you are talking about and are just making things up as you type. You have an opinion based on absolutely nothing but your ideas. You have already stated something that is not true about the rules committee, therefore the rest of anything you say should be looked at as wrong and idiotic.
WOTC regulates every format but commander. Its repeatedly stated by people over and over that WOTC waits too long to ban problematic cards in their formats because of this conflict of interest, they want these new cards to sell packs so they wait to ban in standard and modern. This is a KNOWN ISSUE, and you are an idiot.
Convenient that this happens right after wiz sells sets with all these reprints. Never buying another magic card again.
This has to be the biggest gut punch tbh.
Community seems pretty split TBH. I ,and many others, think the bans are based af even though I own 3 of the 4 banned cards
It's split between try hard players that invested in said expensive, powerful cards and the players who remember that Commander is supposed to be about fun, casual games between friends where it's not about the finale but the journey. Too many players in a rush to win as fast as possible and all 3 of the mana producing cards did that.
Jeweled lotus is the only card that doesn't make sense considering its a commander only card...basically its just a pretty card now that does nothing
I think the ones that aren’t happy aren’t loud enough to hear… check your bubbles.
I'm a bit whatever on it.
Replaced Dockside with RMS Titanic for fun in tuned Korvold. Other copies I luckily proxied.
I had Mana Crypt in Darien mono white (hurt yourself deck). Replaced with a janky fun card.
The monetary value will just move over to other cards I own as well such as Mana Vault/Ancient Tomb/Moxes etc.
I do feel for the LGS store owners and cEDH people though.
The internet needs to find all sales of Crypt, Dockside, and Jeweled Lotus from before the bans, see if they were sold by anyone on the rules commits/wizards employees and out them. They should be prosecuted for some form of insider trading given the amount of loss from it’s customers
MTG isn't a regulated market, therefore "insider trading" doesn't exist. Is it immoral? Yep. Is it illegal? Not a bit.
I’d feel better them showing they held on to all their copies and took the L with the rest of us.
@@zacknair6202 that would be an honorable thing to do
You know damn well they unloaded them prior
@@LRSSkySoldier100%
Part of me feels like Sheldon is turning in his grave
It feels like they took a half measure that poked the bear(community) and didn’t accomplish much.
The only thing they successfully did was make the community not like them 😂
@@MiloTCG We already didn't like them, haven't for years
What would a full measure look like?
@@joelanderson5285 ban all mana rocks and lands
isnt commander a casual format? even CEDH? therefore players under rule 0 can simply ignore the ban list if they dont agree with it. On the matter of proxies, I dont mind within reason so long as the player is not simply trying to pub stomp as the game needs to be enjoyed afterall.
great take
good luck finding 3 strangers at an LGS that will be cool with you running banned cards that are pretty universally hated.
@@lracseroom8286 no need. I have a play group that meet up every Friday at a friends house. I’ll save the rules for lgs. Ty for your concern though.
Rule 0 hasn't worked as intended since it was implemented. Anyone who pretends it works is delusional.
There are so many people that I've played with on a weekly basis that have either fully quit or scaled way back since they banned jeweled lotus and mana crypt. I haven't quit yet but I'm losing interest fast. I used to buy 2 regular boxes and 1 collector booster box and all the commander decks that came out each set. Now i maybe will buy 1 single commander deck and that's it. Talking to people still left in our play group many have expressed similar feelings.... Mtg's future looks bleak to me.
@@cygnusx-1862 maybe we’ll see some different commander formats down the road, but proxy’s have become much more appealing since this happened
Rules committee will get away with this unless people start voicing their dissatisfaction with WOTC or Hasbro and make it clear that the ban will hurt their sales because of loss of consumer confidence.
I am thankful for how this cardboard madness has ended my willingness to spend $ on cardboard scams. Might play with proxies in future. Bee well
Don’t tell me the Committee is not totally connected to Wizards. Commander is a major staple of MTG and WOTC makes a lot of products for it. They absolutely have a say in what gets banned.
This list is a joke 😂
Nadu is a sorcery speed combo that dies hard to removal. They even say so.
The rest are the foundation of the formats explosive plays. With dockside probablying being the biggest "problem card" but im not even sure its that big a problem since it scales well with tables.
I’m still waiting for them to say “jk”
100% agree, it depends on the pod and the power level you guys are playing, I strictly put these cards in high power decks
good luck in 4th position now. At least dockside could pull you back
Ban dockside. Ban dockside. Wizards says nah lets reprint it. Then ban it
@@semislowman checkers vs chess 🤣
@@MiloTCG exactly you know what bothers me isn't how much money I lost in these cards. It's how I felt forced to purchase them because the format wasn't banning things in a timely manner. Dockside got reprinted that should have at least told you they weren't on the same page, especially after reprinting manacrypt multiple times including a recent standard set. Nadu doesn't bother me. That was timely but how do you explainJuled lotus? who didn't say this card was too powerful in the beginning and they let it go on and force people to invest
@@semislowman it feels bad overall. I don’t foresee a reversal but it would be welcomed
all i can say is sorry you bought a mana crypt before the ban but cedh does highly encourage proxies. im sorry for your loss
@@yesimchar the deck I was building for the tournament only allowed for 20 proxies. I definitely would have proxies this one but the 20 i was using them for were wayyy out of my price range atm.
@@MiloTCG why would the tournament organizer do that and then try to call it cedh? allowing some proxies but not all doesn't make sense. it sounds like whoever was running it owned all the cards for their deck already and decided that because they spent thousands of dollars everyone else should suffer as well. the whole spirit of the format is that you play with the best of the best cards no matter what. all the top online and in person tournaments I've been to for cedh are 100% proxy friendly. I'm not upset at you, but upset on your behalf at the tournament organizer. that's ridiculous
The Command Zone cast Rachel and Josh are on the RC but they hide it . I hope they get sued
@@bobthor9647 they won’t get sued. Not really any reason to. I’m sure they will get nasty comments which there is also no reason for.
Lol is that true?
Selling off collection immediately. Buying proxies from now on. Lost 2000$ today
@@Capt_McNugget I held off on buying a crypt for so long and i finally bought one Saturday, lesson learned lol
Same…
Ancient tomb the one ring farewell save for now 😂❤🎉
@@MichelleNghi only for now!
Why would anyone pay big money for a Commander single ever again?
@@DangerKennyB only for a cedh tournament maybe. I proxy when I’m just at a friends house or something. Which looks like what I’ll mostly likely continue to keep doing
@@MiloTCG most cedh tournaments are proxy friendly. We always want to play against the player, not their wallet.
@@Demon_of_Razgriz my local ones usually are not
Right after i sold my mana crypt for a Mahjong set xD god is good!
lmao. praise be he
Honestly, I've dropped commander because I've seen this coming. Sold everything way before this. Glad i did, but at the same time im actually waiting to see how this is gonna shake up decks now.
I've had more commander games where I played dockside and got net 1 or 2 extra which is the same as a dark ritual. This was not a problem in low powered commander at all. Only competitive magic.
Exactly and edh pods usually have their own rules and power level caps anyway. CEDH should not be held to the same rules since it is meant to be a faster format with high power levels
I asked for these bannings. These are mistake cards that shouldn't have been printed and make the games worse.
@@mikerailton304 they made the game fast paced an competitive as intended. Nobody wants to be at the lgs for an hour only to be on turn 8. Save that for at home chill magic.
@@MiloTCG edh/commander isn't a competitive format. It was not intended to be, you can read about it on their website.
@@mikerailton304 sure it wasn't intended to be, but the community decided to make it competitive. We can't deny the difference in deck powers between what ppl consider to be cedh and edh.
I’m not happy that mana crypt was hit. It made me lose $200 but I also understand why it’s banned so I just have to deal with it.
I ASKED FOR THESE BANS!!! What took so FREAKING LONG for them to ban Dockyard Extortionist??? That card is beyond broken at any level of EDH.
@@user-bw2ye2ce3h edh maybe, but not in cedh. I can see the frustration on both sides though
@@MiloTCG In CEDH Dockside is THE red card what are you even talking about? Dockside and then Jeska's. What CEDH are you watching because all the stuff I watch Dockside is EVERYWHERE :D
@@user-bw2ye2ce3h I feel like I read a completely different sentence when I answered. I 100% agree with that statement
Wtf are you talking about? The only people who didn't want these bans are the ones who owned these broken, overpriced cards. Stop speaking for the entire community and speak for yourself.
@@Zeromus5555 guess you didn’t watch the video. I’m fine with the ban, even despite me just buying a mana crypt this past weekend. As far as I see from the responses on twitter and here, the majority of competitive players did not want this. Casual players don’t care. I see your issue is with their pricing and how good they were for fast paced gameplay. These cards were great for making games go fast, nobody wanted to be stuck in an lgs for over an hour on round 1 only to be on turn 8.
Im happy
players are happy. buyers are unhappy
@@maxreis9534 didn't know you could be a player and not a buyer. You mean people who didn't own these cards are happy. Your separation of the two is odd.
Players who feel like because they don't have a card, then no one should use it, some small subset of them are happy. There, fixed it for you.
@@DangerKennyB if that small subset is why they did this, they only scratched the surface. Say goodbye to free counterspells.