I suspect that years of being a survivor aboard the Voyager and Janeway's erratic behavior likely molded his logic toward more straightforward short term gains based pragmatist over the long term contemplative type of most Vulcans.
@@sulljoh1 I think the point of the character was that he wasn't a master, no one was. Everyone was a maverick that needed to hold it in because they were alone on the other side of the galaxy. We never see him actually win a Kal-toh game, and he was struggling with Kess over her powers. I think the fact that he controlled himself despite all the difficulties is good enough and made the character lot less boring than he would've been. We really didn't need mary sue Vulcan that's never in any level of distress and we also didn't need a vulcan who's vulnerability was a public outburst. Tuvok episodes usually has him stew on the holodeck or his quarters and I think that's a good choice. He's not so logical that he can't stop his murderous impulse on Neelix, but he is logical enough to realize that he's slipping. He's not so put together that he's immune to the "show up naked" dream, but he is calm enough to see it as a lapse and a potential problem.
"You destroyed several of our ships, attacked us numerous times, conspired to bring down lawful governments, framed one of own for a genocidal bombing; we'll help move anyway because we are the Federation."
And that Mariner's hijinks would have been venerated in some other show, instead of being all for nothing because Starfleet isn't exactly incompetent at everything...
My theory was: - the pakleds tried to deliver the bomb to earth, timer running - thanks to Carrolls warning, counter intelligence was waiting there - they put a "return to sender" sign on the bomb - the Pakled delivery team shrugged and took their own bomb back home
Wait, THE Captain Morgan Bateson? The captain of the Bozeman who got stranded in time and trapped in a Groundhog Day loop along with the Enterprise? The dude from around Captain Kirk's time????
Tuvok was always a gangsta, man also made (game canon of course) an elite team of tac officers to handle Voyager's most extreme scenaro, enter the Hazard Team
I didn't notice when watching this that Captain Morgan Bateman was Kelsey Grammar's character in TNG! I hope his character appears in Lower Decks at some point voiced by him
Holy crap! That does it. Everytime lowerdecks name drops, im googleing because these writers go hard with the references and easter eggs. I never realized who bateman was. He was on screen for 15 friggin seconds.
They all dunked on the show when it first came out, until they realised that this is the only new trek show that actually treats the Federation with respect
If you count total time of Voyager episodes, Tuvok had the most screen time off all Vulcans in franchise. Might be that after strange new world, Spock is again in the lead, but he is played by 3 diffrent actors in three diffrent timelines, so it does not count.
Love how this entire cliffhanger from last season, what would have been the A plot on any other ST show, turned up to be just solved in a flashback. The whole thing off camera!! 😂
It was good to see Capt Bateson still kicking in Starfleet after being stuck in that temporal causality loop for 90 years when the Bozeman encountered the Enterprise-D
@GunnerM60 - Yeah, Bateson is awesome. I just watched a Frasier episode with the guy who played Ira Graves, so it was a Trek reunion! Thanks for commenting! LLAP!
Morgan Bateson was the Bozeman captain (Kelsey Grammer) who was stuck in a time loop. The Bozeman was a patrol craft that dealt with pirates and smugglers, so it makes sense he would be suited for this
Im 80% sure you still refer to a Lt. Cmdr as Commander in conversation. Also possible he was promoted to full Commander later after the events of Voyager.
One thing I love about Lower Decks isn’t just that they always take jabs at NuTrek whenever they can, it’s how. It’s not biased or unhealthy, it’s factual. This is one of those episodes. Mariner believed Starfleet framed her mother and thought so without being out of character. This episode reminds everyone that Starfleet isn’t in the habit of framing people. It’s the 24th century, they’re better and don’t do what should probably be considered ‘outdated’. The trial was a fair front the whole time while the truth was being pursued.
Making things look like present day is something Q would have done ✔️ 😅 so it's nice to see the writers have a touch of him inside them. Makes stories still interesting even in cartoon format 😊
They didn't include it in the bloopers but rumor has it he did it on set one day while they were rehearsing after Janeway asked for a scan. LOL @@Feasco
Starfleet certainly does have a lax attitude about Vulcan officers mind raping people. Even *Sarek* (who claims to disapprove of Starfleet) was Admiral Cornwell's telepathic attack dog!
He is an admiral in 24th century. Lower decks takes place after strange new worlds 120 years apart, so 2370, and admiral tuvok is seen in Picard before 2400
I just don’t understand how a Vulcan can mind meld with any species. It’s like hooking a mac up to a windows computer. Spok was like half so I’ll buy he can meld humans but this doesn’t make sense. (This is not my Ted talk I don’t care that much, just on a study break)
Every now and then there's a species they can't meld with- but I think the idea is - if you have a mind, it can be melded... Thanks for commenting, @Strongzero8251
So accurate tho. Tuvok really did some questionable things in Voyager. Still my all time fave trek character
Being a (fake) Maquis and stranded in Delta must’ve changed him somewhat.
I know right. That time he surprised a Q and was told as such.
Motherfucker raises eyebrows and moved onto the case. Humble isnt the word for him.
I suspect that years of being a survivor aboard the Voyager and Janeway's erratic behavior likely molded his logic toward more straightforward short term gains based pragmatist over the long term contemplative type of most Vulcans.
Tuvok didn't get enough 'Jedi Master' moments in VOY. Missed opportunity with a great character
@@sulljoh1 I think the point of the character was that he wasn't a master, no one was. Everyone was a maverick that needed to hold it in because they were alone on the other side of the galaxy.
We never see him actually win a Kal-toh game, and he was struggling with Kess over her powers. I think the fact that he controlled himself despite all the difficulties is good enough and made the character lot less boring than he would've been.
We really didn't need mary sue Vulcan that's never in any level of distress and we also didn't need a vulcan who's vulnerability was a public outburst. Tuvok episodes usually has him stew on the holodeck or his quarters and I think that's a good choice.
He's not so logical that he can't stop his murderous impulse on Neelix, but he is logical enough to realize that he's slipping.
He's not so put together that he's immune to the "show up naked" dream, but he is calm enough to see it as a lapse and a potential problem.
Starfleet: "You know, we would have helped with your relocation if you just asked."
"You destroyed several of our ships, attacked us numerous times, conspired to bring down lawful governments, framed one of own for a genocidal bombing; we'll help move anyway because we are the Federation."
"Puny Federation no understand the brilliance of our plan! Pakled are smart!"
@@hfar_in_the_skyand strong...
Sisko: *prepares the surface razing planet ordinance*
Why?
That feeling when it's a twist that the judicial system actually works really well.
It's because it's a *_fictional_* judicial system, he admitted with sadness
Ikr it was actually really satisfying. I love my utopian escape show *cries*
I love that the lower decks had no idea any of this was going on. That is such the point and I love it 😂
It is a nice feeling knowing that there's an active world going on beyond what our main characters do.
@@dalekrenegade2596
There’s an entire galaxy, and more.
Not only that they didn’t know, but they literally couldn’t conceive of this happening. And Mariner is supposedly former grey-ops.
Absolutely loved that the systen works in the Federation
And that Mariner's hijinks would have been venerated in some other show, instead of being all for nothing because Starfleet isn't exactly incompetent at everything...
Nice touch making the trial flashback look like a present-day courtroom sketch.
My theory was:
- the pakleds tried to deliver the bomb to earth, timer running
- thanks to Carrolls warning, counter intelligence was waiting there
- they put a "return to sender" sign on the bomb
- the Pakled delivery team shrugged and took their own bomb back home
Wait, THE Captain Morgan Bateson? The captain of the Bozeman who got stranded in time and trapped in a Groundhog Day loop along with the Enterprise? The dude from around Captain Kirk's time????
Yep, that one
From a time when Starfleet utilized Cowboy Diplomacy
Well, we all know if you want Federation to do it right you need a cowboy, a french tea addict, a pimp or a temporal criminal with a coffee addiction😅
Good to see he survived Wolf359
@@Ripsaw51he sure figured out what to do about those tossed salads and scrambled eggs.
Tuvok was always a gangsta, man also made (game canon of course) an elite team of tac officers to handle Voyager's most extreme scenaro, enter the Hazard Team
Such a good game.
The only Quake 3 mod worth playing
Nice Captain Frasier Crane cameo.
I thought he got blown up in the battle of sector 001 in First Contact
I didn't notice when watching this that Captain Morgan Bateman was Kelsey Grammar's character in TNG! I hope his character appears in Lower Decks at some point voiced by him
I am now imaginign Kelsey Grammar's Fraiser sitting with Niles bragging about doing this mission today XD
Holy crap! That does it. Everytime lowerdecks name drops, im googleing because these writers go hard with the references and easter eggs. I never realized who bateman was. He was on screen for 15 friggin seconds.
Please no. They'll make Bateman act like Robert Underdunk Terwilliger Jr.
Voiced by him? Maybe via AI voice? Producers would need to get permission from his next of kin I imagine.
@KuDastardly umm...Kelsey Grammar is very much alive
They all dunked on the show when it first came out, until they realised that this is the only new trek show that actually treats the Federation with respect
Even Starfleet has tossed salads and scrsmbled eggs.
They're calling again
Owan eggs
@@Mark73that only Worf liked🤣
Tuvok is was always cold asf at times and I liked that.
Even for a Vulcan.
If you count total time of Voyager episodes, Tuvok had the most screen time off all Vulcans in franchise. Might be that after strange new world, Spock is again in the lead, but he is played by 3 diffrent actors in three diffrent timelines, so it does not count.
Love how this entire cliffhanger from last season, what would have been the A plot on any other ST show, turned up to be just solved in a flashback. The whole thing off camera!! 😂
Why didn't Mariner's dad just tell her that they already had a team proving her mom's innocence.
Anyone else think the Captain Morgan Bateman's secret mission would've made a great episode -- or webisode? I sure do
Then could have time traveled to the 1980s to appear on an episode of Cheers.
Dawn Lewis's voice performances are amazing! She didn't sound like that on it's a different world.
Illustrators did Tim Russ justice
Dumbest part is if the Pakleds had just asked the Federation for help relocating to a nicer planet, they’d have probably said “sure, ok”.
It was good to see Capt Bateson still kicking in Starfleet after being stuck in that temporal causality loop for 90 years when the Bozeman encountered the Enterprise-D
@GunnerM60 - Yeah, Bateson is awesome. I just watched a Frasier episode with the guy who played Ira Graves, so it was a Trek reunion! Thanks for commenting! LLAP!
Morgan Bateson was the Bozeman captain (Kelsey Grammer) who was stuck in a time loop. The Bozeman was a patrol craft that dealt with pirates and smugglers, so it makes sense he would be suited for this
That's Lt. Commander Tuvok to you ☝️
Im 80% sure you still refer to a Lt. Cmdr as Commander in conversation. Also possible he was promoted to full Commander later after the events of Voyager.
@@retchedpretty sure he was a full Commander given a later appearance he's a Captain
@@bemasaberwyn55 Which later appearance?
This is one blown up case of insurance fraud...
Ramsom and Shax with the jacket and shades 😅 they would do that
One thing I love about Lower Decks isn’t just that they always take jabs at NuTrek whenever they can, it’s how. It’s not biased or unhealthy, it’s factual. This is one of those episodes. Mariner believed Starfleet framed her mother and thought so without being out of character. This episode reminds everyone that Starfleet isn’t in the habit of framing people. It’s the 24th century, they’re better and don’t do what should probably be considered ‘outdated’. The trial was a fair front the whole time while the truth was being pursued.
I love Rutherford’s sweater and I want one
Ah, Morgan Bateson. Kelsey Grammer played him in TNG: Cause and Effect. I thought he looked familiar for being an animated character.
W😮W what a unexpected reveal 😂😂 brilliant episode 😂😂 long live lower decks
Yeah pretty good for Pakleds
"you might have said no."
Did I hear Star Trek Elite Force? XD
Yeah pretty smart for Pakleds🤓😎🖖🏻
Captain Morgan Bateson. Great callback!
And we basically never saw any of that. Unbelievable
He used the Vulcan mind probe move
Don't piss off Frasier y'all 😂
No worries. He has left the building.
We still don't know what we're going to do with these tossed salads and scrambled eggs.
"They're calling again!"
Making things look like present day is something Q would have done ✔️ 😅 so it's nice to see the writers have a touch of him inside them. Makes stories still interesting even in cartoon format 😊
The Pakleds are clearly tactical geniuses. 😂
they are very smart
Captain Freeman is such a good character
We look for things to make us go. Can you make us go?
Nah what really happened was Tuvok did the mind meld and promptly said "I ain't found shit!"
I got that, I understood the reference
They didn't include it in the bloopers but rumor has it he did it on set one day while they were rehearsing after Janeway asked for a scan. LOL @@Feasco
captain morgan batesmen? Isnt that Kelsey Grammer from the USS Bowsman when the enterprise got caught in a temporal loop?
Shows hosted reminds me of another demension in Rick and morty
"Need U remind you, that its not technically a 'war crime' if you're not at war?" 🖖
So when was Tuvok actually promoted. How long had he been captain when he talked with Seven
I'm pretty sure everyone on voyager got promoted when they got home.
such a starfleet thing to do.
Anyone else noticed that in this season, Mariner's Cynicism seems to get her into more trouble
One second into the video looks like someone had a little Taco Bell accident
We missed a episode here
Doesn’t the guy tuvok mind melding look like the tactical expert from TNG season 2 episode ‘peak performance’
Captain Bateson! Little bit of a career change.
Didn't Garak make the same forger dissappear?
Has Kelsey Grammar ever voice acted on "ST Lower Decks" ?? or as my friend calls it " ST -Rick & Morty edition" ,😮
lol, Fraiser
Starfleet certainly does have a lax attitude about Vulcan officers mind raping people. Even *Sarek* (who claims to disapprove of Starfleet) was Admiral Cornwell's telepathic attack dog!
I thought she was going to at least mention meddling.
We ain't found shit!
Morgan Bateson? lol
Isn’t Tuvok a Captain now?
They could have asked 😂.
Whaaa?!
They pretty smart... sometimes
How invasive would it have to be on a Pakled?
Probably didn't take much effort on his part.
Tuvok still isn't captain? Shame on starfleet!
It's ok he becomes one at somepoint in the 20 years after this.
He's then replaced by a changeling but hes fine now.
He is an admiral in 24th century. Lower decks takes place after strange new worlds 120 years apart, so 2370, and admiral tuvok is seen in Picard before 2400
HOLY $$$$!
I just don’t understand how a Vulcan can mind meld with any species. It’s like hooking a mac up to a windows computer. Spok was like half so I’ll buy he can meld humans but this doesn’t make sense. (This is not my Ted talk I don’t care that much, just on a study break)
here's how: while computers are real, aliens and mind powers are fictional and do whatever the writers need them to do
Every now and then there's a species they can't meld with- but I think the idea is - if you have a mind, it can be melded... Thanks for commenting, @Strongzero8251
Ya
I hate lower decks soo much
ya right, starfleet would never reveal a false flag conspiracy, thats a conspiracy theory