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- It's no secret that new Harley-Davidson prices are absolutely ridiculous, but the Twin Cam 96 offers a great solution. Harley's don't change dramatically year to year except when they introduce a new engine like the M8. So buying a Twin Cam 96 can be a great option, if you're willing to put a little money into the motor you can produce power in line with today's bikes. Dynas, Softails and all the Touring Models are available with a Twin Cam 96. If your in the market for a Street Glide, Road Gilde, Ultra Classic, Dyna Low Rider, Dyna Street Bob, Dyna Fat Bob, Softail Slim or Fatboy just to name a few, you can get it with Twin Cam 96 and make it what you want for thousands less than new.
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Would you buy a used bike and upgrade it or just buy a new one??
10000 miles I wouldn't be afraid to put 5g in the motor
You would still be under the price of a new one too!
In Norway you can buy a good used hd for 10000$ and a new one cost 25000 to 50000$ so I can put 15 to 40 into my dream bike and it will be special with better suspension more horsepower to handle the twisty roads so yes I would buy a used bike plus Harley don't make fxr any more 😉😁
Damn Harley is expensive as it is, they go for way more over there! That's the way to do it, get an older one and make it nicer than a new one cheaper!
Used you do save money.but do yourself a favor and try to find on that absolutely no power enhancing parts have been put on .because if it has loud pipes racing intake high flow air cleaner etc etc it's a good chance its had the shit ran out of it even if it has low miles and is shiney as a new penny.try to buy stock unmodified bike from an individual so you might guage from their personality and mannerism how they more than likely treated the bike.if they brag on how it burns the tires or how far they can ride the back tire my advice is dont buy it.if they carefully start it and let it idle for you and modestly twist the gas to show you engine smoothness. And just speak of riding experience .it will probably be ok bike.but check the oil to make sure it isnt milky from just being started periodically and not allowed to fully warm up...lol ok I'll shut up now
The 96 is my favourite H-D motor.
Does everything I want & runs cooler than bigger inch motors.
I highly recommend it.
I work with a guy that a 96 in his Street Glide, it runs great and like you said it's not nearly as hot s the bigger motors.
@@GixxerFoo I was told by a. co work of our local 725 I.b.e.w. back in 1992 when monster motors were first avalible and becoming popular with construction workers who could afford them .. The best balance and rpm was engines at 100 cubic inch ...engine cases and fly wheels have not grown to keep up with heavier and bigger rods and pistons ..you only have so much real estate on the fly wheels to drill out to change and re balance your rotating assembly as around 100 cubic inch in general is the maximum displacement evo a person should build to and still retain a smooth balanced assemble that can be balance at Precision balance of Indianapolis who do one hell of a job..that knowing this fact ..I have spent enormous amounts of cash paying Stil build screaming eagle stage four kits and more beyond that ..the best i done was 120 HP 117 that was not all
that smooth ...I have been at this HP game with new Harley's going on 7 years now ..in that time being abscessed for more info ..I came across a review for a two in one supertrapp at revzilla ...as i t was a 9 6 inch twin can with the supertrapp and a tune made 130rwhp ..I didn't even bother to find the torque as this dude made 10 more HP .for less that $1500 to my 120 hp that cost me $8000 ...I done all the calculations for displacement last night and came up with a 99.3 cubic inch evo with a 3 1/2 inch stroke and a 4 1/4 inch bore ..if S&S makes evo cases to accept jugs that big ....and if they. Still build custom crankshaft fly wheels
If you read my comment basically what I was saying a man at revzilla installed a two into one supertrapp with a ecu tune on a 96 inch twin can and made 130 rwhp vs my 117 inch twin cam that made 120 rwhp. ...and at 60 to 80 thousand it is crucial that we change out the am chain before anything should happen ..and the overkill on that is fueling billet can plate and an S&S gear drive cams ..total price right at $3k ..but fixed for ever problem salvoled as all parts in question are all replaced with gear drive .. Never to have to do it again
@@donniebaker5984 i know this is a year old, but youre smoking rocks... 130 to the tire off a tc96 with a 2-1 and powervision/tts/pcv etc is absolutely 100% completely idiotic to even claim. i WILL say that its almost similar to the silicon lottery when buying a twinny 88-96ci scooter, ive had bikes in my shop with simple WWW upgrades (wannabe weekend warrior) like the tried and NOT true vance and hines sh*t shots, tried and somewhat true Ness's Big Sucker intake and barely get the stock numbers bcuz of the horrid exhaust.. but the exhaust removed and adding an entry level 2-1 like the danmoto highwayman, ive tuned 6 total and 2 busted the 90 torque range, the best numbers being 76 horsepower 92 torque! so your telling me a SUPERTRAPP 2-1 has the ability to add 60 something horsepower? to the already gained numbers?? your either inhaling exhaust fumes, or youre talking about a subject you (and millions others admittedly) have ZERO knowledge on, let alone talking about it to others and thats TUNING/AFTERMARKET UPGRADES!!! ppl are already scared to auto-tune their scooters with simple fool proof closed loop tuning on the powervision, fuel pak FP3, and dont understand why their bike still runs like crap, or they dont realize that their narrowband O2 senors only read 14.2-15.0 to 1 AFR's so unless their cruising, the autotune isnt touching crap else to do with the WOT range.. just trying to get THAT point across and tell someone that if they purchase at minimum a STAGE 1 their BEST BET is STILL going to a trusted dyno guy vs auto tuning yourself at home, not adjusting any parameters like lowering the minimum MAP value so it doesnt "over tune" certain parts of the table....
LONG STORY SHORT, DO YOU SEE HOW COMPLICATED THIS ONE SINGLE MESSAGE IS FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON?? i made it this long ON PURPOSE because of the extensive research needed just to get your foot into the door of trying to understand this world thats highly unspoken about bcuz alot of riders are scared to ask for help so they dint get made fun of.. so they DEFINITELY dont need tools like you throwing even more FAKE STATISTICS in their way!!!
now hopefully a year later your smarter than you were when you wrote this and can see the idiocrary in your comment
My 96 is also very smooth running
I've never paid more than 6k for a Harley. My last one was a 2002 Dyna Wide glide with the 88 motor. Fantastic bike and more than enough power for me! I actually felt like the shorter stroke 88 motor was more peppy than the 96. It would really rip ! I'd never buy a new Harley for 20k when you can get used ones for under half that. Most sit in a garage with low miles. You don't need a new 114 to make power when you can throw a kit on a old twin cam
That's my thoughts exactly! You can spend a quarter of new and build you a monster twin cam and still be under the retail price of those new bikes.
Be very careful with older 88s, even with low mileage. I had 12k on my 2002 Low Rider and within a year it needed a stator (as they are prone to lose from overheating) , swing arm bearing, and of course the cam chain tensioners will need doing very soon.
If I had to do it again, I’d spend the extra money and buy a 96 with very low mileage and in immaculate shape. Because I’ve spent $4000 on repairs in just a year
Any used bike l go over really well, hell even anything new these days needs gone over with a wrench.
You could be right that most sit in the garage with low miles, but most bikes offered for sale have at least 30K miles and if well cared for are commanding top dollar.
@@jordanblair5410 Yup! That's why I'm expanding my search to TCs rather than only EVOs.
I love my 07 Dyna Lowrider… the 96 will do more than you need it to do plus some. That 96 bonded to a 6 speed is really the sweet spot for torque and gearing. Half the time I don’t even touch 6th gear on the highway, but when I do… man it’s nice and smooth.
I just got a 2012 super glide custom with the 96 . I absolutely love it.
Those are some awesome bikes! Do you plan on upgrading your engine or keeping it a 96?
Best video that summarizes what the 96” is capable of for upgrades. Thanks man!!
About two months ago I picked up a 2007 Ultra Glide with the 96” twin cam and the stage 1 screamin eagle intake and exhaust.
Only 19K on the odometer.
Couldn’t be happier with it👍🏻
19K on a 2007? Someone bought that and never really rode it much! Sounds like you found a deal on barely broke in 07!
I like my lil ol 80in evo
That's an awesome motor, they will chug along all day every day forever.
I am hoping you don't know this from experience...
@dan winright Damn you rebuilt it to last for sure!
Good video. Thanks
Prices are really good on those older bikes with decent miles, leaves room to make it really make it run.
Love my 2012 Dyna 96. Thank you for your expertise.
Thank you. Quite informative and to the point. You are well spoken.
Just picked up an ultra glide with 8000miles and a six speed things a gem ! Literally don't have to change a thing ,good suspension ,good handling ,good motor plenty of torque
You found a heck of a deal, it's good used bikes like that Harley is fighting. That bike new is almost 27k now!
Just so people out there know, I own a 08 road king olive pearl 96 inch 36000 miles only thing I've ever done ia a starter oil changes, tires and brake pads that's it,runs great, but does get very very 🔥
Every twin cam needs a high volume oil pump and oil cooler. Just one or the other really keeps the heat down on the twin cam.
Nothin sweeter than a 80” Evo fitted with a EV46 Andrews cam mikuni 42Carb V&H Pipes
That's a setup, those bikes sound so good and you can't replicate that sound even with a carb twin cam.
Fuck yeah 100% mate
I keep on reading Evo 80 is bulletproof whereas TC88 (1999-2007) has spring chain guide issues
Milwaukee 8 still has unsolved issues so stay away from 2017+
Might go look at ones before 1998
@@250gtskyline5 do it mate. I Have a twin cam also, still a great bike, but if I had to keep one for sheer feel good factor and riding experience I’d pick my evo. They’ve got a rough edge that’s been engineered out of modern bikes, however at they just feel like a Harley should to me.
Warning! Twin cams are known to be noisy engines and using aggressive cams can drive people crazy with the rattling. I've read forums where guys have taken cams back out because of too much noise. There's a few caveats, the windshield on my Road King reflects front cylinder noise back at me. Also, the rocker arm shafts are kept from rotating by the rocker shaft mounting plate bolts. But there's enough slop that the shaft can rattle against the bolt, but you can buy brass sleeves to press in and take out the slop. At 26k miles on my '04 88 Road King, I was paranoid about the cam tensioners , took it apart and they were fine, but I had planned to do the '06 and later cam plate upgrade kit using the 'conversion cams you can buy from a few places. I used the Andrews 21N conversion cams which are 'baby' cams but are supposed to be the best profile for relatively stock heavy baggers. Also installed a 2 into 1 exhaust that had oxygen sensor holes and so I bought the Dynojet power vision tuner with wide-band O2 sensors from Fuel Moto. Even with baby cams it was noisier than I would have thought. Two years ago I put in the brass sleeves in the rocker plates. With all said and done with another 8k miles, now at 42k, it doesn't rattle that much or I've grown use to it, don't think the rocker shafts were that loose anyways so sleeves didn't seem to do that much. I don't rev it past 3.5k - 4k much either and wear a helmet more and more these days primarily for comfort on long distance rides. That's my 2 cents...
That's some good points, Sportster cams are stupid noisy when you get anything with higher lift over the W cams.
Good advice. I bought a used Evo / carb 1988 Electra Glide Classic last August for $3500. Another $2000 for new tires and full service including fork rebuild. It gets down the road very well even if it doesn't have triple digit horsepower. I rode with a passenger towing a trailer from Northern Minnesota to Southern Texas.
That's awesome! That EVO is a very stout high torque motor, they are very reliable too!
you always speak about important subjects. keep up the good work.
Thank you, l appreciate you watching and supporting us over here!
My 96 incher has 56000 miles on it. This motor is 11 yrs old and just had it's first "major surgery." Tranny main bearing and clutch basket. To ride a stock bike for 11 yrs with no problems is amazing. All my friends tried to talk me out of buying the bike because of the noisey cams, but I came from a metric bike with overhead cams, so I'm thinking "what noise?"
Anyhow, take it from someone who has ridden a '96 for many years, it's a good, solid, reliable motor!
They really are some damn good motors, that's pretty awesome you got that kinda mileage out of one before a major repair. The cams really aren't that noisy on those bikes. Now a sportster with high lift cams they sound like a Ducati dry clutch.
@@GixxerFoo 🤣👍
Lmao! I've been riding my honda cbr 929 since 01 with nothing but oil changes tires and spark plugs....beat that!
@@brittanyjackson1718 You probably look better on yours too!👍😎
You ain't gonna beat a Honda, 929 is an awesome bike. When l had my gixxer 1000 l rode with several people that had them.
Dare you to put one more can on that shelf behind your head!
😆😂 l am not a gambler.
Sure you are! Look at your shelf! 😂😂
That shelf has just become a conversation piece 😆😂🤷♂️
@@GixxerFoo look what i started! The shelf of doom!
😆👍 l never thought there would be a thread started about a shelf l threw together in a couple minutes out scrap l had laying around. I can't change it now 😂.
I love that Knuckleheads Garage sign behind you! LOL
😆😂 thank you, l saw that and l had to have it!
Yeah the TC 96 is awesome! I have a stage 1 kit with Rineharts & I am pretty happy with it. 105,000 miles. Keeping it stock is better for reliability vs power. 07 flhrs. & I have an evo as well.
Keeping them stock is honestly the best way to maintain the reliability, stage 1 never hurts though. Dang you have 105K on the odometer, I am not surprised but still impressed!
I own a 07 glide 96 inch , 81000 miles not a hitch
@@Ratridez I have a 08 flht over 86000 bone stock engine 96ci has been all over this great USA. I'm good
They will get the miles, bet you've kept on your maintenance too.
My 08 ultra 86,000 miles stil runs like a 10 when it gets tired will go upgrade for sure
This makes me feel great about picking up my 08 Low Rider 105th.
I really liked kick starting, the feel and the sound of my 1948 Panhead that I had in the 1970's and early 80's. My Evo Herritage I had in the 90's ran good, still sounded great, my Twin Cam 88 that I had in the 2000's. But, and this is a big but. What I didn't like about my older Harley's was their lousy Drum (Panhead), and Single Piston Disc Brakes that my Evo and TC 88 had. And that they did not have Cruise Control, and the 4 and 5 speed transmission where my left foot was always looking for another gear. My current ride, a 2010 103 FLHTK is my final Harley, I love the 6 speed transmission, the cruise control, the heated grips, the stereo, but most importantly, the Brembo ABS brakes that actually stop your bike. The 180 rear tire with Brembo ABS brakes, the dual disc ABS front brakes work great on the newer bikes are the main factor for me for not riding an older bike. I havn't locked up that skinny 130 rear tire and slid through an intersection since selling my Twin Cam 88 back in 2007.
I had an 07 FXD with a 96 engine. Good engine
Great job on the content! Awesome
Thank you! I appreciate the support, what bike are you riding?
Awesome Intel!!! Great job ! Thanks!👍
You're welcome! Thank you, I appreciate it!
I like the older Harleys with the twin cams, and evos better than the M8. I know the M8 motor has more power but I do not think they sound as good. There is a speed limit and you can only go so fast. If you have an 80 inch evo and you get 75 hp even that will be enough power for good throttle response and passing, etc. You can get that with a good exhaust, an air cleaner, jet kit, and an Andrew's cam. On the TC 85 = 90 hp is a good goal to do the same. The 96 inch only produces about 5 more hp than the 88, and it has a longer stroke, so the 88 can feel more peppy. What's good about the 96" is the cam chain problem on the 88 is eliminated, and more torque, and it can be bored out to 107 inch motor. I like restoring older things, we live in a throw away society sadly.
Wait a minute...The 88ci is the best twin cam Harley ever made! First, it has more HP than a stock 96 and 103 and has the same HP as the stock 110. The motor got bigger over time, but EPA regulations got stricter too so they built the engines differently. The only issue with the 88ci is the cam chain tensioners and maybe the plastic breathers in the rocker boxes which isn't that big of a deal and not that expensive to fix. since 2007, the 96, the 103, and the 110 have had way more problems. The primary tensioner is garbage, the compensator is garbage, but worst of all is the crankshaft which as a runout sometimes up to 0.0012'' because of a bad crankpin, which will cause serious damage to the motor if you do not have the crankshaft trued and welded, or replaced with an aftermarket one. You are lucky if you get to 40 000 miles without having any SERIOUS problems. That is why I would NEVER buy a Harley that was built after 2006. After what I've seen so far, I don't trust the M8s either. And nothing beats the reliability of an old-school EVO even if it does lack power.
Very well said, there were some of the pressed crank pins that went to crap really early on. It just varied engine to engine, some guys got over 100K with those pressed pins. Still can't beat that 88 from 2002 and earlier with the Timken bottom end, that short stroke 88 can really be built into a runner. You're right though that the engine got bigger but the emissions got stricter which killed the stock power potential of these newer engines.
You must have been dropped on your head if you honestly think the 88ci came with more power than the 96/103. 88ci= 57hp/71t, 96ci=69hp/82t, 103ci=75hp/91t, 110ci= 75hp/91t all dyno results from completely stock bikes and i can say from personal experience that a stage 1 88ci will not keep up with a bone stock 96ci or 103ci.
I wish my 2007 96” twin cam had a tight tolerance of .0012 I’m a tool and die maker. 12 ten thousand of an inch is different than .012, like major.
I am new to harley this was extremely helpful and informative
That's awesome! That's exactly why do it, l appreciate you watching and your support!
Subbed! Glad I came across your video. Just looked at a 2007 Road King with a 96 CI and Stage 1 (Rinehart pipes & modded air intake). I couldn't test ride it since it needs a brake job (front caliper). The dealer is waiting for the parts. But I could start it up and boy is it loud. My neighbors are going to hate me if I do get this bike. Wealth of info in this video if I do plan on making SE upgrades later on!
That's freakin' awesome TQ & HP numbers if one goes all the way to Stage IV 103.
Thank you for sub, 2007 is a good year. Screamin Eagle kits make some sweet reliable power.
Thank you for this video. I'm about to buy an 11 dyna wide glide 96. Im more stoked after watching
Good choice! You'll have a lot of fun with that bike!
The info and opinion in this video is exactly what I did in January of 2022. As a previous multiple-Harley owner, I had ventured into the Triumph world for 10 years. Last month, I re-joined Harley with a spotless black pearl 2007 TC96 Wide Glide. It had a tuner, Vance and Hines Big Radius exhaust, detachable sissy bar and rack, internally wired bars, detachable windshield, new tires, etc etc etc. 20K miles on it - for 8 grand. Some of that was Southern California pricing, but the bike was, and is, immaculate. Very torquey and, with the tuner, it's goes as fast as I ever want it to. The only thing I've done to it was replace the rear disc rotor.
Welcome back! You got a hell of a deal on that bike! It's hard to find one like these days!
I have a 2010 Heritage. The bike had V&H Big Shots and a Screaming Eagle air cleaner when I bought it 3 years ago. I haven’t done a thing to it other than maintenance. I think it runs absolutely great. It will pull me over Big Savage Mountain at 80mph no problem. I have a 2020 Heritage also with the 114. It is an absolute beast. I honestly enjoy the 2010 over the 2020 for the all day tour. I’m going to NC in a couple weeks and I will most likely take my 2010.
I don't doubt that one bit! I've heard quite a few people say they prefer their older bike to the new M8. I haven't put enough seat time on an M8 to make that call but l definently like the TC sound better.
Great review I am looking to get HD with 96 used 2009, this is very helpful
When I retired in 2014 I bought a used 2011 Dyna Wide Glide with 4k mi for 9 grand…. Loving the 96 with the 6 speed.
Bike has stage 1 remap with hi flow air cleaner and a set of V&H short shots…Plenty of power for me as is..👍
My 2009 Fat Bob, bought new, has about 140000 miles now. Never a problem, even the first battery made it five years!
You have 140k on you're bike?! Holy hell! What kinda of riding have you been doing?
@@GixxerFoo It's my daily bike, and I was a MC- Member for more than 20 years, so you ride!
Damn l would say so! I figured you were going cross country with that kinda mileage.
@@GixxerFoo Yes, I made europe from spain, up near to the north pole, later eastern europe and russia. I still have a lot of photos to prove it. There was even a russian motorcycle mag, who made a story.
That's awesome! I would live to make a ride that over there!
Excellent video. Love the options, however, I love this bike stock. For me, there is plenty of power for the style and function of the bike. If I want speed and power and can always use my duc or rc51. When I ride my RK, I just want to relax and enjoy the view.
Totally agree, that's what a Harley is all about. There are options out there but at the end of day it's a cruiser. People want these bikes for being 1800cc and 75 horsepower, it's not trying to win Daytona. Just produce some big torque and put a big smile on your face!
Great video! As a bigger guy I would want the touring bike and the frame before 2009 wasn’t the best I hear. But my 2015 RGS is a great platform.
The touring platform definitely wasn't what it is today, they made some huge improvements during project "Rushmore". They took a lot of customer feedback and put into the touring bikes. Having a 2015 RGS, you likely wouldn't be impressed with the older touring models.
Just subscribed. That's a lot of essential info on a motor upgrade. And the chart provides the visual! It's especially hard to find the hp specs on a HD. It needs to be highlighted because it's important to riding style. 68 hp ain't jack at 70 mph when you want quick acceleration. So cams are an essential when upgrading.
Definitely got to add cams on those bikes, that allows you to put the power where you want it!
I had a twin cam 88, beat it bad, never had a problem with it.
I have a 06 softail with the 88" and upgraded cams when the tensioners were replaced. Plenty of low and mid range torque, never been on a dyno. Very happy for what it is. If I were to look for a second bike for speed and Horse power bragging rights, Yamaha V-max. Just saying.
A hopped up Harley is a blast to ride and there's not feeling like it on anything else. That Vmax is a bad boy, thing was a death trap like everything else in the 80's with crapola suspension and wispy brakes having a 150 horsepower lmfao. Now the second gen was an absolute 200 horse monster with suspension and brakes.
Great video man. Thank you!
Anytime!
Great information 👍
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I've got a wide glide with the 96, with just a k&n filter, FP3, and v&h slip ons and it runs great, plenty fast for cruising around
Stage 1 setup makes a huge difference, 96 is an awesome torque producer.
cool video! love my 96!
It's a very nice torque producing motor, it can definitely be woke up if you want to!
I'm learning and hope can save up for one, liked and subbed
Thank you, l appreciate the sub! There's a lot of quality used Harleys out there, low miles and a fraction of the cost of new. Harley is battling their own used bikes to sell new ones hard.
Old post .. just seen . Two years ago bought a 2008 heritage ... bone stock .6800 miles . Along with it sent parts , which included an andrews 48h cam . Last year had parts installed . Basically catches, exhaust , cobra.2 into 1 , power vision tuner . I added the target tune / wide band 02 . Loved the response . Because of health , again not a lot.of riding time . This year found a new 96 to 103 kit (older). Also found a new set of police 103 (2007) heads , with ACR installed . Harness for the ARC . Be ready to get started . 70 years old giddy as heck ... can't wait till summer.
My '03 RK Classic with the fuel injected 88 Twin Cam is all I need! 15K miles and my cam chain tensioners are fine. Added a Arlen Ness Monster Sucker and Vance & Hines slip ons and a Vance & Hines tuner and she runs and sounds awesome! I wouldn't give her up for any new bike on the road right now!
That's awesome! It's not every 88 that had the tensioner issue, like your some never had a problem. Some blew up before 15k, it's hard to beat the older bikes when you got one like yours!
I have a 2010 street Bob with a 96ci and I love that bike more than words can describe. I can't wait to get the cash together to put some cams in it.
A good set of cams and it will feel like a whole new bike, amazing what a set of cams will do!
Harley intentionally leaves a lot of power on the table, lol then conveniently they have the Screamin Eagle catalog.
Get it. Cam it. Leave the bore alone
Putting a good cam in to target where you mainly ride is more than enough for a lot of people. There's a lot of hidden potential in those motors by just swapping the cams.
Bought a 96 Road Glide with 9,000 miles. The previous owner put a stage 3 SE in it, new pipes, back trunk, 2 seats, 2 windshields, extra speakers, SE tuner, bag liners all for 6,000. Very happy.
That's why the used market is destroying new Harleys right now!
Are you related to Scotty Kilmer? That hand movement !
😆😂 l watch Scotty Kilmer too, l get excited talking about this stuff. Unfortunately no, wish l had his pay check though 😆.
Scott Kilmer uses clip bate to make money.
I just got a 2011 dyna wide glide with the 96 used with 16k miles. First Harley ever and I road over 200 miles today and it was great
That's awesome! You've got a later year too, they got the compensator issue worked out on those. The 07 to 09 models had a bad compensator design, it worked but it would eventually fail. Congratulations on your first Harley!
GixxerFoo thank you so much for your leadership and technical help on the 96. I had the Woods 222 installed, compensator upgraded and HD clutch plate and set of discs, Screaming Eagle Cam Plate kit and HD oil pump installed. It woke up my beauty and what cam I say: cruiser to HOT ROD! Thanks again!
Thank you and congratulations! That is awesome to hear! That 222 really wakes that 96 up, the aren't much horsepower with the stock cams. I bet it's a blast to ride now!
That's the cam I'm looking at for my 08 FLHRC.
What are your thoughts on the 222 after running it on the bike?
@@mrpink1216 It is the business! Worth the money and has a dramatic impact of ft lb low rpm 2500 all the way through to 5000 rpm. Imporove your clutch and compensator to absorb the additional ft lb. Best of all it does not require a major head job and all the $$$ and trouble that this entails.
@@hollywoodboggie Thanks for taking the time to respond. I'm going to install a very similar set up .
I've got a 98 softail EVO chopped out and it's going nowhere trust, but I'm chasing a 96 twinkie street glide for my out of state trips. Thanks for the encouragement.
I bought my 2010 Heritage new. After break-in or around 5 thousand miles, I got the Orange tuner before it was outlawed. I put American Custom slip-on's, SE air box with stock cover and the SE 259e cams. The bike runs very strong. Not sure how much HP I picked up but the torque in 4th gear is outstanding Very pleased with my bike. By the way, every part including all excessories are HD. No after market anywhere. Even the slip-on's are stock just reworked by American Custom Exhaust.
That's awesome! Hang onto that race tuner, they are awesome and hard to find. Sounds like you built one hell of a machine. I've heard of that company before, did they do good work for you? I've got some stock exhaust l wanted worked over.
@@GixxerFoo I bought the bike from Timms HD in Anderson South Carolina. While they were servicing the bike, I had them to add some the common accessories at that time. I new down the road I would change the slip-ons. When people purchase new exhaust from Timms, most of the time they leave the original slip-ons. So Timms sold me a pair for $40. I sent them to American Custom Exhaust and had them reworked. They take out the guts and add a small amount of mesh inside on the inside wall of the muffler. You can see straight through it. Almost like having straight exhaust but it has some baffle. It has the best sound of any bike out there and people have ask me how I got that sound from stock mufflers. Very low tone and when you punch it, they get loud. The SE 259e cams have a really nice chop. .570 lift. I think 260 duration. I kept the stock air box cover so the bike looks totally stock. I am not into the rad look of after market crap that most times starts to rust the next week. Keeping it simple is my way. I have had several bikes in the past starting with my out of the box Shovelhead 1974. Had two Shovelheads, one Evo and probably my last the one I have, 2010 Heritage. Give them a try at American Custom Exhaust. In my opinion, HD dealers have this thing going with Rinehart. You can't convinced me that they make a bike run any better than what I have and mine sound superior to Rinehart that sound tinny. All in the tuning.
Yes! Every dealer keeps pushing Rinehart exhaust, they do it even at my local dealer. I love how you kept stock look, that's my favorite way to do it! I'll have to check them out, l'd like to get my factory mufflers reworked properly.
@@jerryhubbard4461 sounds like something I need done with the exhaust on my 2009 Rocker C. I purchased it second hand with a Vance and Hines big radius 2 in 2 exhaust and got defected. Now the cops and epa have pictures of it with a standard exhaust, the look must be maintained or I can be fined even more for tampering with it. If I have a stock exhaust gutted and reworked, it will be harder for them to tell. Trouble is I live in New South Wales, Australia. Right now it sounds like a scooter and was detuned to suite the original exhaust. It's like the nuts have been ripped off it.
My 11' Deluxe has the 96 and I'm happy with the power. I weigh 270lbs and load the bike down for moto camping. The 96 has no problem, none, nada getting up to speed or up hills, it's a great motor. You'll note the benefits that come of converting really come into play @3000 rpm. In 6th gear @ 75mph I'm at most 2800. I don't beat the shit out of my bike going for stop light to stop light so converting doesn't do much for a guy like me. If a guy thinks a 96 isn't "enough" know you're dealing with a moron.
The 96 makes great torque and it does it down low too. Even as the kits progress the torque just keeps climbing. There's nothing wrong with a 96 with a good intake, exhaust and tune.
That's kind of like saying that anyone who prefers a big block 454 over a small block 400 is a moron. Some people like the added torque, it's not always about the HP at least not for me. Torque is fun, more torque equals more fun to me and more usable power when and if you need it and besides that I'm a tinkerer, I just enjoy working on and trying to improve upon what factory stock offers.
@@bodeine454
Sorry, but no it is not. I believe you missed the point of my post.
@@jefferythomas4414 If I missed the point of your post I apologize....
I have an 04 TC88. I am 220 and my wife is 150. We pull a trailer full of camping gear and my stock bike make plenty of power. An upgrade would be fun but not needed. I will wait until I need to rebuild and then build bigger and badder and add a baker 6 speed.
Very interesting video .
Great content all of my questios were answered
A motorcycle and especially a classic Harley is about the bond you form with it and the wrench is second only to the ride in this. It will also provide a deeper longer lasting unbreakable bond you can keep running forever.
I guess it would depend on if it was broken in correctly. Great video
Thank you, I appreciate it! There's a hot debate on how to break in an engine, yeah we can test it both ways and dyno it for comparison but which one would you trust in the long run lol.
I just bought a 2003 Softail with 8000 miles on it for $5000 . Harley can keep their new bikes !
Damn that's a steal! Hell someone never road that bike!
@@GixxerFoo It spent most of its life in Hawaii sitting and then ended up in Minnesota where I bought it .
Oh wow, damn that's crazy! Yeah you'd have to ride a lot of circles on the islands to rack up 8k.
I just bought a nice 96, with the matching factory HD sidecar. I'm an amputee so I'm fitting a Pingle handlebar electric shifter. I don't think that I have enough leg strength. On the left to support a bike if it begins to tip and can't shift or use a sidestand so the hack was the answer. Besides, they are cool. Everybody wants to stop and talk to you. I'm not into trikes.
I'm thrilled to read all the positive comments. My friends, unfortunately, have had issues with excessive runout on their crankshafts that required total rebuilds. Shame on Harley for considering .012 acceptable when they did such a great job on the 88 twin-cam keeping runout under .003
It all went south when they cut their production costs buy having a bearing pressed into that left side crank case. Getting away from the Timken setup was a huge mistake on Harley's part.
@@GixxerFoo Hate to be negative but I feel most owners barely put miles on their motorcycle and would never experience an issue within the first two years of ownership. Knowing this allows them to cut quality and not be on the hook for repairs. To their credit runout has decreased every year after 2007 settling in at .005/.006 but owners will never be able to run a gear-drive cams on a stock engine after 2006.
I don't think you being negative, honestly l think you're right on the money but saying most riders don't run any miles. I wouldn't doubt for a second if that was Harley's way of thinking with the build quality.
@@GixxerFoo I say that because most people I know here in New England only put a few thousand miles a year on their engines. As you know I am definitely not one of those people. Keep the great content coming.
Thank you will do! Lol me either, l at least hit my oil change interval every year!
Picked up a 2011 street glide vance and hines slip ons-i removed baffel and screaming Eagle intake with a vance and hines Fpk-3 and programmed it with custom tune and i love it. Only 3900 miles.
3900 miles is really low for a 2011, where did you find such a late model low mile bike?
@@GixxerFoo in a man cave in Alabama
😆😂 that's awesome! It must of spent a lot of time in there.
I love my 107 evo and my 96 twin cam.
My 06 fxdbi has the 96 and I love it 5k from a third party.
My 01 DX with a stage 1 88" makes 85tq and 79hp. I hope to gain another 5-10 on each when I do the cams and get a better pipe. The carbs are soooo easy. With the right tune, it really wakes the bike up. 5spd trans is bulletproof as well. I know the 6 gears had some trouble. If you're looking for a used Harley, the 88" is a great option. Last of the carbed Harley's. The Dyna Frames are also a little smaller before 07 so its really a great, nimble, all-around motorcycle. If the bike has more than 20k miles, make sure to get it inspected before purchase due to the mentioned cam tensioners. Putting in the S&S hydraulic/Gear drive cams is really not that hard. Pretty simple actually. Most of the 88" Harleys can be had for under 5k as well. I personally like carburated over fuel injection. If I ever have a fuel issue, 10 mins, and some wrenches then I'm off. Jets are dirt cheap too. EVO's are another FANTASTIC option!
Well said there, a good tune makes some huge gains on the carb bikes. Fuel injected bikes don't gain nearly as much as a carbed bike. They can get a decent gain with a qualified dyno tuner and hundreds of dollars. It's hard to beat the simplicity of the carbed 5 speed bikes, cheaper to work on too!
I would definitely go stage 4 on my 09 fatbob, which has a stage 2 with road rage & a dyno tune. Has 60.000 miles on it.
Just an observation, but you might want to reinforce that shelf over your right shoulder. lol😂😂😂
My 96ci sstreet bob has 102 rrhp 110 rrtq with 103 kit 254e cam 10/1 comp ported heads s&s mufflers/air cleaner race tuner. Runs well. Has 77 rrhp/95 rrtq when stock tunes S&S mufflers and se air cleaner upgrade. Still a nice bike back then. When I hear of the M8 not making much more why buy new.
Thanks for your videos from Australia
Thank you, I appreciate the support! I bet that Street Bob is a handful with that motor built out like that, that's one of the lightest big twins in the line up.
I have a 2006 dyna Street Bob with the 6 speed and FI 88 w/43k miles still going strong!
Frickin sweet bike! Street Bobs are fun bikes, l those and the Low Rider.
I bought a used 2009 Ultra Classic with the 96 cuid engine. Had it for almost 3 years and it's ran flawlessly. Got about 40k miles on it.
How many miles have you put on it since you bought it?
@@GixxerFoo about 18,000 miles. All I've had to do is change oil , brake pads and tires. It's the most comfortable bike I've ever owned.
That's awesome to hear! Hopefully it'll keep going like that!
I had an 09 ultra classic in root beer brown. My favorite bike, brakes failed and i smashed into a Lexus. I ride indian now, and won’t ever look back to harley ever again. Too many failures.
Holy crap, dang that sucks l remember the brake recalls they had on those.
And first year Street glide 2006 cobalt blue with the Batmobile wheels when it came out I had to have it 88 fuel injected, and there’s a long story with that lol but it’s a solid platform and to be honest I don’t know which cam tensioner it has does the 88 fuel injected bike have the hydraulic tensioner? I guess I need to take a trip to a service manual lol, me and the girls appreciate you sharing your knowledge. Thank you.
I have a 96 in 2007 Road King. Totally stock. 60k trouble free miles. Probably have this bike forever!
That's awesome to hear! Did you get it new or buy it used?
@@GixxerFoo Bought it new in fall of ‘06. I actually stopped at the local Harley dealer to get some cleaning supplies. I had always wanted a white Road King and there she was. She followed me home and it’s been love ever since.
👍 that's awesome, not even there to look at bikes and leave with a new one. I would hang onto to it for sure, there's a lot of people buying used Twin Cams over new these days.
After 35 years on sports bikes I just bought my first Harley. 2018 Fat Bob 114 with 2000km on it and some mods. Saved a bunch and I really love the bike. Never thought I would say "I own and love a Harley" lol.
I rode sport bikes and hated Harleys for years, lol I never thought I would say it either. Fat Bob is a super fun bike and it handles really well, for a Harley. Can't really compare it to a aluminum perimeter frame with the engine as a stressed member.
@@GixxerFoo Yeah same. First time I really took the Fat Bob through corners I was pretty impressed. But it did make me laugh when really cracked the throttle. After GSXR1000s and my last bike Honda SP1... the power is far from scary. But then I remind myself thats not the point and just enjoy the ride. Its a fun bike.
Lol no it's not even close power wise, but they do put power to the ground. I had to learn to be careful throttling out of the corners with amount of torque they put down at a low rpm. Lol they will try and walk out on you.
@@GixxerFoo Yup I learned that one pretty early. Now Im enjoying the fact that generally the bike wants to stand up when you power on so you just lean harder because there is no way known you are going to slide with that weight. Its really fun getting used to the handling.
Even the older Dyna Fat Bob was a really quick handling solid bike too. I laughed when the dealer told me it was the best handling Harley. Then l rode it and l was really surprised.
I'm more into the Evo big twins. But I agree with you. Did 96ci Road Kings come with ABS & cruise control? If so, I would probably choose them over the 103s
The early 96" motors also came with horrendous compensator sprockets that will make for difficulty in starting when hot and will also eat clutch baskets.
They were an absolute nightmare for sure!
@@GixxerFoo You say "were"; I say "still is," as I have replaced my clutch basket and chain tensioner, but haven't made a decision on which way to go with the comp yet.
I bought an '08 Road King classic with a '96 for $6,900.... It was advertised for 7500. I put $1,600 into it cam chain tensioners camshafts high flow oil pump billet cam plate rocker lockers compensator sprocket intake exhaust tuner... Did all the work myself.... 63,000 mi later... There's no way in hell I would go pay what they're asking for a new Road King. When this engine gives up I'll probably stuff an s&s in there and keep riding it.
That's strong work! That's the beauty of a Harley, you got a damn good price and built a hell of a motor. I love the fact you can keep a Harley forever like that. Either rebuild or swap a new motor in.
Did you 'upgrade' all the innards over stock? The hydraulic tensioners and improved oil pump came out in the dyna's in '06 as a test bed and everything else in '07.
@@gilbertbates8522 I don't really understand the question. it's an '08 Road King so yes I already had the good tensioners... I just replaced them with fueling parts. I upgraded to a high flow oil pump and billet cam plate at the same time I did all that and put the camshafts in.
Sounds like you updated all the factory parts that had the weak points 🤷♂️
Amen Brother!
For the money they are great value, there are several here in North Florida. Too heavy for me but for someone wanting a Harley it is a buyers market.
It truly is right now, buying a nice used one is the way to go. Unless you just gotta have the latest greatest. They are heavy but surprisingly they carry it really well.
some days i miss my 09 Dyna Low Rider 96ci....... it was a great bike
I like the style of those years in the Low Rider, l rode with a guy that a red and white 09 model. I am a Low Rider fan myself.
I bought a new super glide in 09 .it was a good running bike .but it did not like to be restarted after you ran into a store then jump back on it.if you tried to hot restart it it would kick back and sound like the starter was going to break.if you let it cool for a bit it would restart fine.also if the stator goes bad
you have to take every single piece of the primary drive housing off to get to the stator coil.also on mine when I had it apart to fix stator I realized the splines in the clutch hub were flaking off.. but they are good running bikes very comfortable. But do yourself this favor take someone knowledgable so they can feel if the bottom end feels like it vibrates too much.cause the flywheels are press fit together and have been known to shift. Which causes oil pump failure
Damn that's rough, yeah l was never a fan of the press fit crank. It's inevitable that it comes out of alignment, doesn't happen to every bike but more than it should.
I had 2 and still have 1 Harley’s with a 88 motor, never had any problems, I have the 2006 limited edition superglide, the red white and blue one , it has a 6 speed tranny that came with it,I know it has inner primary bearing issues but just replace it around 16,000 miles and it’s good for another 16,000 miles other than that it’s a good motor
Last year I Bought a 2008 street glide with the 96. Had 13,000 on it when I test rode it and I couldn’t hand over the $10,000 fast enough. I’ve been riding the hell out of it, and a year later, I find myself here looking for more fun. :-)
I currently own a 2009 Road King and had a 2007 Ultra classic before that. Not a single issue at all combined.
That's great to hear! They are really awesome bikes, some had that compensator issue but like your bikes it wasn't all of them.
@@GixxerFoo I actually changed the compensator to a V-Twin Power 34 Tooth Compensator Eliminator as a premature precaution. I just order an S&S Cycle 551CE Easy Start Chain Drive Cam Chest Kit. Really excited to see how the bike will respond after that kit.
That's a great setup, that way you don't have to worry about the compensator going out.
To me the Woods Cam TW222 you talked about for the 96 is all you should need with stage 1 and a tune up. Power out the AZZ!
It's crazy what kinda power the Wood will produce, that's right you there with the entire Screamin Eagle kits.
After 16 years and 65k miles, my 2004 88 is still good enough for me. I may take a look at the original cam chain tensioners during the winter.
That's frickin awesome! Some bikes went just fine like that and others shelled at 15k.
Have an 06 softail love it
I've got a 2004 88 road king with 42k miles. I was kind of paranoid about the tensioners about 5 years ago at 26k miles, they were fine. I went ahead and did the upgrade with the hydraulic tensioners and cam plate 'kit' using the Andrews 21N conversion cams. There's a few companies making the 'conversion' cams which have the larger diameter outside bearing surface for the later hydraulic cam plate with the larger bearing holes.
It's funny some bikes had the issue and others never had one issue. I dunno if it was bad run of tensioners or if some were built on Friday before a holiday.
Right on, those are some awesome bikes. I still like TC and the Evo, l am not sold on that M8.
Let me save HD. People don’t really buy HD for torque and horsepower. They buy and ride them for the V twin sound and feel of the bike design. HD could build a reincarnation of the 45 ci flathead (737 cc) as long as it looked felt and sounded like a Harley it would sell. STOP trying to catch the Hyabusa with more hp. A very wise HD owner once told Ninja rider, “Sure, I’ll race you. Meet me here in ten years.”
They are really fun to ride though when you get them hopped up a bit. They put that power down way different than any other bike.
I got a 09 rk with many extras including the oem tour pak. I paid 12500 4 year ago. The bike had only 8k miles and looked brand new. The previous owner put about 3k in extras. For me, a 12.5k for a practical new bike is a good deal.
Especially for a Road King, you can add another 10 to 15K to what you paid for a new Road King off the floor depending on which model you get.
I buy a fatboy 2010 lo 96b with 10k miles on it, i love it and im looking to put woods tw-555 cam/s&s tw3 camplate with the oil pump, i just received the power vision... lemme know if it’s sounds good and or what should I put with all of these plz, love ur video btw, you make it well described !!! Thanks !!!
Great info vid. I have a ? What about the low end of the motor? What about the crank shaft and how it is factory built. A 2002 or older88 twin cam is the best bang for the buck.
I'm going to get the V&H pro pipe, fuel pack, and an arlen ness air cleaner for my 96. Maybe a cam next time it goes into the shop. Also that headlight you had in your past video.
I have a 96ci with the Vance and Hines pro pipe, with a 255 cam and it feels great to me. No idea why anyone would need any more power.
I have a 2010 Roadglide Custom 96 inch with 585 S&S gear to gear cams, Fueling cam plate.oil pump, fueling lifters, S&S adjustable push rods, roller rockers, S&S 585 valve springs, and a power commander. The Dyno was 92hp and 102pt.
That's pretty good number at the rear wheel and still reliable!
@@GixxerFoo runs great
Hell l imagine, you put the good stuff in it!
I was going to add a comment saying the same thing. Now is the time for people to buy up the evos that are still available. The evo same as the shovel has less moving engine parts and still does the same thing and the evo 80CI has over a 4 inch stroke. I got lucky and found a 1997 fatboy harley april of this year for only 4400 dollars. If you get a harley with the evo engine you wont have constant issues once you get it right and many are available that are already right being you have many low mileage and any evo engine can be rebuilt for 2k or less I have a video of it running on my channel
Ive got a 07 fxstc with se 255 cams vance and hines slip ons se air filter made 87hp 100tq at the rear wheel not bad for se cams and a 96ci
I love my 09 road king 96
Hey Gixxer , what's really nice about all the screaming eagle stuff is it's all compatible , stage one , two , three , four .
I like to match components like that, they are good parts but don't produce the power that Feuling or S&S can net.
The crank run out on the 88 is within specs for the S&S gear to gear timing.
Best thing to put on an 88, not sure how much run out you would end up with on one with some miles though.
That's very true, better to get it down and check it before you order parts. Suck to order an expensive gear and not be able to use it.
My 09 Dyna 96 ci hasn't had any modifications and I smoke any bike if challenged......I love it.
Plus it rides like a Cadillac
They are some some strong high torque motors, and run a lot cooler than the 103.
Prices on 10+ year old Dynas in my neck of the woods have dropped by about 20% in the past 2 years. Time to buy a project bike may be now...
That's awesome, Dynas around here are pretty cheap too. Most with decent mileage too.