Found y'all on TH-cam about 1 or 2 months ago and I've watched every video you've made. Love the cut and dry straight to the testing approach. No fake enthusiasm, no heavy handed salesmanship. It's a great time coming home from work and seeing a new upload. Never change, TTC. And please do always stick around.
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I’m super bummed you guys didn’t test the 3.0 three cell pack and the 3.0 six cell pack. That would have been the most interesting to see. If you even see this comment I have both of those batteries and I’d be happy to send them to you guys
I purchased the M12 impact wrench with a 6.0 battery a few months ago and have been very impressed with it. I wanted something smaller and lighter than my high torque. I figured the M12 would be good enough for 50% of what i needed a impact wrench for. To my surprise it’s been plenty powerful enough for >90% of my needs. I use the high torque so infrequently that I don’t keep a battery attached to it.
@@jake-mv5oi yep and to be completely transparent, that 10% of the time I use it, it’s usually because I only have a 1/2” version of the socket I need (the m12 I got is 3/8)
@@jabroni6199 Can you just use a 3/8”-1/2” adaptor or does that make it too big? I have a full set of Tekton deep-well impact sockets in Metric and Imperial along with their accessories and I can put any type of socket on any type of impact wrench I want. But I’m not an Auto Mechanic so tight spaces are rarely a problem.
You ain't wrong on the right angle impact. The battery it comes with makes me dislike the tool. It won't break Subaru bellhousing bolts loose, the exact bolts I bought it for. Gonna go get the 6.0 and see if it wakes mine up. Thanks for all of your no nonsense videos!! 💯
These test mirror my anecdotal experience. The 2.0 won’t spin off the lugnuts on my wife’s SUV, but the 4.0 sure does. Great little compact impact for suspension work.
We've bought multiple brands and are in the process of doing around a baker's dozen worth of different tests which will take awhile to compile the data and edit up :)
There's a few tools ahead of these in the science lab before we finish up, and with the number of tests we're doing (mostly on lunch breaks) it may take a bit but we're chipping away at it!
Really like my M12, with 2ah, and 4.0 batteries, it gets everything done I throw at it, would definitely suite any diy'er 98% of jobs they would come across.
As a fulltime wrench thrower the 1.5 and 2.0 are relegated to the smaller tasks of the family, mostly for drills/ratchets. I have a 4.0 or 6.0 in all of my impacts, After well over a year and multiple rebuilds of both tools and batteries I cannot tell a difference in the 4.0 and 6.0
100% right on that one. Use the 4.0 on my stubby and circular saw, and the 2.0/1.5 on my 3/8" ratchet and multitool where the power isn't needed. Doesn't seem like the extra cost of the 6.0 is worth the slightly extra beans it delivers. Would be curious if the 6.0 would be better for my circular saw though...
I got the m12 drill with a 2.0 and 4.0 battery as a kit for $120 and at the time Northern Tool had a deal where they threw in a 6.0 as well. I think I made out pretty good on that one.
My m12 compact impact wrench is my go to tool for everything except high torque applications. That’s what my XTR is for. Very compact, very light, insane run time with the 4.0. I don’t have that right angle m12 however I have the Kobalt right angle impact, and m12 fuel ratchet for those jobs.
I’d like you to test out the M12 stubby again (you call it the M12 Compact Impact), except this time, with the M12 CP 3.0 battery, and M12 XC 3.0 battery. I’ve always been curious if the CP 3.0 would make a good compromise for its size, but with just enough juice that would be very close to a XC 4.0 battery.
This couldn’t have come at a more perfect time gentlemen! I was considering the right angle just today! Crazy. I’m going to take my finger off that trigger and wait patiently, with beans on😉, for the hard facts, figures and beans you guys seamlessly provide. I thank everyone in the “TTC Cool Crew”for the time and effort it takes to give us all nine +++ minutes of the pure, hard, un salted, un sweetened, beans. P.S. HUGE shout out to the beans timer!! She’s showing wear and tear as that start button has granted wished, opened eyes, crushed dreams and everything in between. Raise your bean drinks and beans to the Torque Test Channel Cool Crew and the bean counter!! 🎤”Cause we’re all about dem beans, dem beans, no strugglllle🎼🎵 K, I’m done…
I'm my personal experience, the 4.0 will carry these m12 tools harder and longer than any amount of 2.0. Glad to see the torque dyno tell the same story!
I wish they would have your battery going out the other way behind the tool. I didn't like the handle at first but after using it a few months I now love it
I got stubby and ratchet as a deal almost 2 years ago. Came with 2.0 4.0 and 6.0 was a free gift. I sold the 6.0 on marketplace for like $60. Sold in a day. Didn’t think I’d Need. I’m happy to see it’s now that much different than the 4.0 lol. Was getting nervous for a second
If you have a 2ft breaker bar and a 2 ton jack you could theoretically get close to 4,000 foot pounds which would lead to lots of broken parts. Just spend some money on a proper impact you get less broken stuff as the IPS has a big role in freeing stuck bolts. Just can't replicate that by hand
Damn I was really hoping to see a compact 3.0 in this test. Would be really cool if you could do a cp3.0 vs xc3.0 to see if batteries in parallel preform worse than batteries in series. Or just a test of all of the compact batteries versus each other (1.5, 2.0, 3.0). Either way very cool video thank you for sharing
Batteries in parallel perform worse ( less power output) than batteries in serial. However, parallel ones last longer than the ones in serial. The serial ones produce more power but last shorter.
M12 is my personal favorite platform, because the power/size/cost ratio is great. I don’t need 18, 24, 36, 40 volts or beyond. I’m a home gamer not a pro, so 12 volts does almost everything I need. Great video, btw.
M12 is still a pro line though, so you're getting the quality that should make them last essentially forever (in a DIYer's case). Most people's M12 tools should work for as long as they can find and charge batteries for them.
Full time pro here: I only have the M12 stuff. If you really really have to break something, I have torches, saws, and a myriad of other destruction devices that easily fit the bill. For almost everything on most passenger vehicles the M12 line is great.
The M12 is really impressive. I think M18 is overkill for DIY. I use my M12 stubby 1/2" impact wrench to do seasonal tire changes and it doesn't even struggle to loosen nuts on my cars when I compare it to my previous 20v store brand impact wrench.
@@MrAPCProductions had I known at the time that M12 would have been more than enough for the odd task around the house (noob DIYer here) I wouldn't have even looked at the M18 hammer drill/impact driver/circ saw combo I got... Ok it was a great deal for the price, but I really do appreciate the compact form factor of the M12 battery packs.
Good info in here as some have said online that the 6.0 isn't as powerful as the 4.0; clearly not the case. That said, I would have loved to see the CP 3.0 and XC 3.0 in the mix too; maybe in an update sometime? Either way, I only run two batteries with my M12 tools; CP 3.0s for most things, and XC 6.0s for higher demand tools.
One thing I've noticed about Milwaukee Fuel impact wrench: the torque it delivers depends on, to some extent, the way it's being held. Pressed snugly at precicely perfect angle at the nut, it performs way better than when just looslely held and maybe a little tilted. Or so I think. Maybe test this with some gear, if not tested yet?
I have the 3/8th version of the compact and it's perfect for working on my Suzuki Jimny and so far with the 4.0 it's not undone anything I have put it on.
Thanks for that test. I found a deal for a 4 pack of the 4 ah for $180. I was hoping to find some 6ah, but now I’m seeing that’s not necessary, especially if I’ll have 3 back ups.
Excellent video! I have really come to respect what my M12 tools can do, and I have the M12 and M18 Surge, not even the full-power impact drivers or stubby impact wrench (although that may have to be my next purchase).
I have the M12 Fuel Drill/Driver kit and my experience mirrors yours. I purchased mine at Home depot and it came with a 2.0 and a 4.0Ah battery plus a free 2 pak of 1.5Ah batteries. I purchased a radio that I use the small batteries in and I bought a second 4.0 battery for my drill. I love my M12 set and have seen no reason to move to the M18 for what work I do.
The CP 3.0 is the only M12 battery I don’t have. It’s good for runtime, but not for high power uses. I’d rather have a pair of CP2.0 vs CP3.0 batteries. The 3.0Ah cells just can’t deliver as much amperage. That’s much less of an issue in the XC6.0 since there are two sets in parallel, thus the 6.0 essentially matching, or even beating, the 4.0 in these tests. The 4.0 probably beats the 6.0 for the FUEL drills and saws, but I haven’t seen head to head tests on that.
@@geoffstrickler I keep hearing this but never anything to back it up; on a recent remodel I did, I used the M12 installation driver with a CP 3.0 battery and it handled driving 1/4" x 4 1/2" spax lags when wall mounting a desk with power to spare. Is there a source of this claim, or a test confirming it?
@@NWGR the installation driver isn’t a high power tool, I would not expect to see any notable difference there. But the fact remains that the 3.0Ah cells can supply only 15A sustained, vs 23/22A on the 1.5/2.0Ah cells. As I said, try looking it on the FUEL drills or saws, which can draw twice as much as the Installation driver.
I’m a forklift mechanic and my van compressor is horrible so now I’m looking at electric tools but I don’t do too much heavy duty except taking drive tires off which is a beast. I can’t decide on what to do
Makita Mid torque and Makita compact or M18 mid and compact will do 90%. The other 10% either 1/2" M18 high torque or 3/4" Makita XGT for stuff that needs to just die in a hellfire.
I was really hoping to see the difference between the CP 3.0 and the XC 3.0, as the CP 3.0 is the only one that I can't find info on what cells are in it. The CP 1.5 and XC 3.0 both use Samsung INR18650 15M cells, rated at 23A per cell (giving 46A on the XC). The CP 2.0 uses 20R cells, rated at 22A, the XC 4.0 *SUPPOSEDLY* uses cells rated at 20A, for a total of 40A, and the XC 6.0 uses 30Q cells, rated at 15A, for total of 60A. I've seen only one guess about the cells in the CP 3.0, being also 30Q, but I really wanted to see how they perfomed.
@@JohnDoe-fk6id, I think you meant to say the 6.0 would have a total of 30A (15A x 2), correct? Keep in mind that, even though the CP1.5 has high current capability, the cells will deplete much faster in use than the higher capacity cells, so at some point you should expect to see the higher capacity cells putting out more current as the battery wears down. TTC uses batteries fresh off the charger so we're only seeing what they can do best case scenario. In their defense I'm not sure how you would accurately test these batteries at a partial charge and keep things consistent.
@@superspeeder you are correct. I meant 30A total on the 6.0 I was/am tired, as of this posting. You are also correct about the partial charge, but that's not really a major concern, to me. The reason I wanted to see the cp3.0 vs xc3.0 was to show the extreme difference between 6x high current, low capacity cells and 3x high capacity, low current cells. I bet the cp3.0 would be below the cp1.5, in power, while the xc3.0 should, in theory, be above everything.
Awesome test man and yet another first to do something nobody else has done before. I read the reason why you couldn't get ANY 3.0ah of either forms and was hoping to see how they would stack in there as well. Please if I could lend a hand I'd love to send you mine if you can't get a lock on any and I have a few to spare. Keep up the amazing work man, absolutely love the channel and I know everyone else does as well!!
I think in an earlier comment they stated they only had the tools for 1-day for testing, so looks like they will need tools in addition to batteries to be able to test both 3.0's
@@BM-ut5nx I've got them all man and more than willing to let TTC borrow them for as long as they need, no rush, just trying to give back any way I can 👊💯
@@abijahgribble that would be awesome. I love milwaukee, never owned one but every mechanic in aviation or automotive that has been in the industry long enough swear by them, I just need to get enough together to purchase some milwaukee tools myself
@@BM-ut5nx I catch them on deals all the time man as much deals as they run with them you can get free tools or batteries on promos ALL the time. I'm also a mechanic and I buy every Milwaukee tool that I feel that I can use in my arsenal, and I will say this, they have been amazing additions and I don't regret the investment 👌
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Hi, I’m very surprised that right angle Milwaukee didn’t pull like some videos claim it can, I was seriously thinking about getting it, not sure now! Excellent quality video ty so much, Bob,
Man i wish I found this channel months ago. Just got a new M18 compact impact and really wish I got the m12 as the m18 is just not really compact enough.
I used the stubby impact with a 4.0 at work and 6.0 onsite jobs ( no charger). Always seemed like the 4.0ah had a bit more jam than the 6.0ah. The 4.0 was older and had more cycles. Maybe the 4.0 has a bit higher peak current?🧐
I’ve had an m12 stubby 3/8’s at work for about 2 years now and it’s been a great tool. Very strong for its size and I like the fatter handle on it. It’s stronger than my co workers 20 volt Mac 3/8 impact lol. It’s great for engine work and can even pull off the wheels on my 3/4 ton dodge.
I wish you would of had access to the 3.0 battery. It’s the same form factor as the 2.0. I came with a Milwaukee heated coat I bought last winter. Anyways it gives a huge torque boost to my brushed M12 3/8 ratchet. I was shocked how much speed the 3.0 added over the 2.0.
Perfect timing for the Kobalt vs Milwaukee comparison. I have both battery platforms so curious to see what you find. I’m leaning towards the Milwaukee purely by form factor but will wait for your review.
Hi, have you done a test on different sockets and adapters on impact wrench’s today see which give the best torque transfer and how much torque you lose with extensions, wobble sockets, hex. Bi hex, regular vs impact sockets, knuckle joints. ….your tests are awesome thanks for doing a great job…
My stubby 3/8 impact w/ the XC6.0 battery has only hit it's limit a couple times, but I've only had it for a week or two, but it keeps up fine, only thing it can't do reliably is like rusty 24mm suspension stuff that you have to use a swivel on. Highly recommend it. EDIT: Oh, and axle nuts, it's 50/50 chance on those, lol.
Lighter and I personally like the bulky handle. I have big hands, the m12 just feels better in hand. I can hang it from my pocket comfortably. Might not have quite as much beans as the m18 but for what I do, the m12 is just right. How often does anyone actually push their tools that hard? I for one don't try and get every lb ft of torque outa it every day. Itll easily drive a 3" screw with a tiny 1.5 ah battery,
Torque Channel Guys, I really enjoy watching your channel. You all add reality to tool buying and actual use. I also like the M12 grip. I guess the guys with the small little hands prefer the thinner grips. I feel you can get a better purchase on the tool.
Hope you guys plan to test the makita, Dewalt and Bosch 12v equivalents. I have the right angle lxt 18v makita right angle and while its only rated at 35 ft lbs I use it alot for spinning nuts and bolts off that I break loose with a regular ratchet, when working with fasteners put into plastic I can typically spin them right out with it. Unlike the rest of my tools a 6 aH doesn't seem to add any power over a 2aH
I love my M12 3/8 stubby, I also have the new m18 mid torque but don't use as often. I will get a 3/8 cordless ratchet next but don't know which one yet, currently leaning towards the high speed or high torque.
I notice my straight grinder cuts out when I use my 6ah battery. Lower ah batteries don't bother it. I also notice my 90° grinder also cuts out using the 6ah, but only if I lug it with high pressure and the motor gets hot. I think these tools use the same motor, and it doesn't like to get hot, but gets hot easily.
Not being a mechanic the impact isn't my #1 tool..but I do own a few to take things apart before I weld them back together. My alleged beef with the m12's is the life span of the batteries.(I still own a grip of them)Maybe you could design a test to cycle the batteries like 200x then see how they perform?
It'll be interesting to see if your Kobalt RA impact weeps from the anvil during extended use. I've experienced this myself and have read other anecdotal accounts of the same issue.
Curious how Makita's new Low Torque 18V Impact compares with the old one. New one is XWT15Z, don't know the old one as I'm in Canada and the model numbers are different. In Canada it's DTW285XVZ
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I'm sorry. I'll subscribe now. I've only watched all of the last like, 20? videos. I love the content.
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Found y'all on TH-cam about 1 or 2 months ago and I've watched every video you've made. Love the cut and dry straight to the testing approach. No fake enthusiasm, no heavy handed salesmanship. It's a great time coming home from work and seeing a new upload. Never change, TTC. And please do always stick around.
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I’m super bummed you guys didn’t test the 3.0 three cell pack and the 3.0 six cell pack. That would have been the most interesting to see. If you even see this comment I have both of those batteries and I’d be happy to send them to you guys
I purchased the M12 impact wrench with a 6.0 battery a few months ago and have been very impressed with it. I wanted something smaller and lighter than my high torque. I figured the M12 would be good enough for 50% of what i needed a impact wrench for. To my surprise it’s been plenty powerful enough for >90% of my needs. I use the high torque so infrequently that I don’t keep a battery attached to it.
I'm in the same boat. I seldom use the big boy.
@@jake-mv5oi yep and to be completely transparent, that 10% of the time I use it, it’s usually because I only have a 1/2” version of the socket I need (the m12 I got is 3/8)
@@jabroni6199 Can you just use a 3/8”-1/2” adaptor or does that make it too big? I have a full set of Tekton deep-well impact sockets in Metric and Imperial along with their accessories and I can put any type of socket on any type of impact wrench I want. But I’m not an Auto Mechanic so tight spaces are rarely a problem.
@@samuel5916 yep you can. I recently purchased one. Makes it a bit longer but still well short of a high torque.
@@jabroni6199 Oh cool!
This channel has exploded. I cannot believe the number of subs. I started early around 3K and that wasn’t that long ago. Excellent content!!
Thanks! We couldn't have done it without you. We're just getting started!
Same here. Never believed so many others would be interested in these videos like me. 😁👍
@@saiiiiiii1 this is so valuable to watch. The marketing BS that these companies put out is incredible.
After getting my m12 fuel ratchet I couldn't imagine life without it. Same to the compact m12 impact
Would love to see this test again if you get your hands on the new 2.5 and 5Ah HO batteries.
You ain't wrong on the right angle impact. The battery it comes with makes me dislike the tool. It won't break Subaru bellhousing bolts loose, the exact bolts I bought it for. Gonna go get the 6.0 and see if it wakes mine up. Thanks for all of your no nonsense videos!! 💯
They also offer a cp3.0 pack in the same form factor as the 2.0. Works really well with both of these tools for size/power
These test mirror my anecdotal experience. The 2.0 won’t spin off the lugnuts on my wife’s SUV, but the 4.0 sure does. Great little compact impact for suspension work.
Same thing with my experience
Does she have a big trunk?
So you’re saying battery makes a difference?
@@thewiseguy7100yes batteries make a difference in power.
My 2.0 does take the lugs nuts off my car m12 impact gen 3 with a 2.0 battery cp
Video on those torque-limiting attachments? Are they accurate? Always well done videos.
We've bought multiple brands and are in the process of doing around a baker's dozen worth of different tests which will take awhile to compile the data and edit up :)
I’m interested in this one as well.
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@@TorqueTestChannel can’t wait to see
There's a few tools ahead of these in the science lab before we finish up, and with the number of tests we're doing (mostly on lunch breaks) it may take a bit but we're chipping away at it!
This was a great video for me. Was really debating whether or not to get the 6.0 but this cleared up things for me.
Thanks a lot !
Really like my M12, with 2ah, and 4.0 batteries, it gets everything done I throw at it, would definitely suite any diy'er 98% of jobs they would come across.
As a fulltime wrench thrower the 1.5 and 2.0 are relegated to the smaller tasks of the family, mostly for drills/ratchets. I have a 4.0 or 6.0 in all of my impacts, After well over a year and multiple rebuilds of both tools and batteries I cannot tell a difference in the 4.0 and 6.0
100% right on that one. Use the 4.0 on my stubby and circular saw, and the 2.0/1.5 on my 3/8" ratchet and multitool where the power isn't needed. Doesn't seem like the extra cost of the 6.0 is worth the slightly extra beans it delivers. Would be curious if the 6.0 would be better for my circular saw though...
@@upon1772 I all tools I have tested there is almost no difference in the 4 and 6
@@MrAPCProductions Glad to hear I don't need to waste my money trying to find out then!
I like the ratchet and stubby impact but for full size I run a makita
I got the m12 drill with a 2.0 and 4.0 battery as a kit for $120 and at the time Northern Tool had a deal where they threw in a 6.0 as well. I think I made out pretty good on that one.
My m12 compact impact wrench is my go to tool for everything except high torque applications. That’s what my XTR is for. Very compact, very light, insane run time with the 4.0. I don’t have that right angle m12 however I have the Kobalt right angle impact, and m12 fuel ratchet for those jobs.
I’d like you to test out the M12 stubby again (you call it the M12 Compact Impact), except this time, with the M12 CP 3.0 battery, and M12 XC 3.0 battery. I’ve always been curious if the CP 3.0 would make a good compromise for its size, but with just enough juice that would be very close to a XC 4.0 battery.
This would be nice to see!!!
Yeah I bet you the 3.0 xc is more powerful than the 3.0cp because of more cells. Yet impressive they have a 3.0 compact.
This couldn’t have come at a more perfect time gentlemen! I was considering the right angle just today! Crazy. I’m going to take my finger off that trigger and wait patiently, with beans on😉, for the hard facts, figures and beans you guys seamlessly provide. I thank everyone in the “TTC Cool Crew”for the time and effort it takes to give us all nine +++ minutes of the pure, hard, un salted, un sweetened, beans.
P.S. HUGE shout out to the beans timer!! She’s showing wear and tear as that start button has granted wished, opened eyes, crushed dreams and everything in between. Raise your bean drinks and beans to the Torque Test Channel Cool Crew and the bean counter!! 🎤”Cause we’re all about dem beans, dem beans, no strugglllle🎼🎵
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I'm my personal experience, the 4.0 will carry these m12 tools harder and longer than any amount of 2.0. Glad to see the torque dyno tell the same story!
I love these M12 tools. I use the impact, ratchet, and die grinder more than any other power tool in my shop.
I wish they would have your battery going out the other way behind the tool. I didn't like the handle at first but after using it a few months I now love it
I got stubby and ratchet as a deal almost 2 years ago. Came with 2.0 4.0 and 6.0 was a free gift. I sold the 6.0 on marketplace for like $60. Sold in a day. Didn’t think I’d Need. I’m happy to see it’s now that much different than the 4.0 lol. Was getting nervous for a second
Can you test banging on a normal wrench with a hammer, or using a floor jack on a breaker bar
If you have a 2ft breaker bar and a 2 ton jack you could theoretically get close to 4,000 foot pounds which would lead to lots of broken parts. Just spend some money on a proper impact you get less broken stuff as the IPS has a big role in freeing stuck bolts. Just can't replicate that by hand
@@mesanders1113 two hammers? Would still be fun to see tested though.
It would
Damn I was really hoping to see a compact 3.0 in this test. Would be really cool if you could do a cp3.0 vs xc3.0 to see if batteries in parallel preform worse than batteries in series. Or just a test of all of the compact batteries versus each other (1.5, 2.0, 3.0). Either way very cool video thank you for sharing
Batteries in parallel perform worse ( less power output) than batteries in serial. However, parallel ones last longer than the ones in serial. The serial ones produce more power but last shorter.
M12 is my personal favorite platform, because the power/size/cost ratio is great. I don’t need 18, 24, 36, 40 volts or beyond. I’m a home gamer not a pro, so 12 volts does almost everything I need. Great video, btw.
M12 is still a pro line though, so you're getting the quality that should make them last essentially forever (in a DIYer's case). Most people's M12 tools should work for as long as they can find and charge batteries for them.
Full time pro here: I only have the M12 stuff. If you really really have to break something, I have torches, saws, and a myriad of other destruction devices that easily fit the bill. For almost everything on most passenger vehicles the M12 line is great.
The M12 is really impressive. I think M18 is overkill for DIY. I use my M12 stubby 1/2" impact wrench to do seasonal tire changes and it doesn't even struggle to loosen nuts on my cars when I compare it to my previous 20v store brand impact wrench.
@@MrAPCProductions had I known at the time that M12 would have been more than enough for the odd task around the house (noob DIYer here) I wouldn't have even looked at the M18 hammer drill/impact driver/circ saw combo I got... Ok it was a great deal for the price, but I really do appreciate the compact form factor of the M12 battery packs.
Good info in here as some have said online that the 6.0 isn't as powerful as the 4.0; clearly not the case.
That said, I would have loved to see the CP 3.0 and XC 3.0 in the mix too; maybe in an update sometime?
Either way, I only run two batteries with my M12 tools; CP 3.0s for most things, and XC 6.0s for higher demand tools.
One thing I've noticed about Milwaukee Fuel impact wrench: the torque it delivers depends on, to some extent, the way it's being held. Pressed snugly at precicely perfect angle at the nut, it performs way better than when just looslely held and maybe a little tilted. Or so I think. Maybe test this with some gear, if not tested yet?
That’s why those Milwaukee magnetic impact nut drivers work so incredibly well for driving lags with an impact driver
Time to redo this test with the new 2.5 and 5.0
I love the comparison graph you use. Thanks for the video!
Once again you guys answer everything I wanted to know. Thanks again for the info!
I have the 3/8th version of the compact and it's perfect for working on my Suzuki Jimny and so far with the 4.0 it's not undone anything I have put it on.
Thanks for that test. I found a deal for a 4 pack of the 4 ah for $180. I was hoping to find some 6ah, but now I’m seeing that’s not necessary, especially if I’ll have 3 back ups.
Excellent video! I have really come to respect what my M12 tools can do, and I have the M12 and M18 Surge, not even the full-power impact drivers or stubby impact wrench (although that may have to be my next purchase).
I have the M12 Fuel Drill/Driver kit and my experience mirrors yours. I purchased mine at Home depot and it came with a 2.0 and a 4.0Ah battery plus a free 2 pak of 1.5Ah batteries. I purchased a radio that I use the small batteries in and I bought a second 4.0 battery for my drill. I love my M12 set and have seen no reason to move to the M18 for what work I do.
Love my M12 compact wrench impact! Things a beast!!!
I went with the 3.0 and 6.0 batteries for my M12 impacts/tools. I figured that I might as well get the highest capacity for the same size factor
The CP 3.0 is the only M12 battery I don’t have. It’s good for runtime, but not for high power uses. I’d rather have a pair of CP2.0 vs CP3.0 batteries. The 3.0Ah cells just can’t deliver as much amperage. That’s much less of an issue in the XC6.0 since there are two sets in parallel, thus the 6.0 essentially matching, or even beating, the 4.0 in these tests. The 4.0 probably beats the 6.0 for the FUEL drills and saws, but I haven’t seen head to head tests on that.
@@geoffstrickler Yeah the CP 3.0's are mostly for my Milwaukee lights. But I haven't had any problems using the 3.0 on my stubby and right impact
@@mrbgpati well, given the results here, I think it’s safe to say you’re not getting full power out of them. Of course, you may not need full power.
@@geoffstrickler I keep hearing this but never anything to back it up; on a recent remodel I did, I used the M12 installation driver with a CP 3.0 battery and it handled driving 1/4" x 4 1/2" spax lags when wall mounting a desk with power to spare.
Is there a source of this claim, or a test confirming it?
@@NWGR the installation driver isn’t a high power tool, I would not expect to see any notable difference there. But the fact remains that the 3.0Ah cells can supply only 15A sustained, vs 23/22A on the 1.5/2.0Ah cells. As I said, try looking it on the FUEL drills or saws, which can draw twice as much as the Installation driver.
Can you do an update on this? Quite a few batteries have come out since....also would like to see the 3/8 anvil to see dem BEANS!
I’m a forklift mechanic and my van compressor is horrible so now I’m looking at electric tools but I don’t do too much heavy duty except taking drive tires off which is a beast. I can’t decide on what to do
Makita Mid torque and Makita compact or M18 mid and compact will do 90%. The other 10% either 1/2" M18 high torque or 3/4" Makita XGT for stuff that needs to just die in a hellfire.
Awesome! Been waiting to see the true output of the right angle before picking one up. Next paycheck here it comes :)
Our local sources were all out of the 3.0's when we tested these, and we only had these 2 impacts for a day. Sorry to the 3.0 lovers!
I think it is strange that the 3 comes in 2 different forms.
I was really hoping to see the difference between the CP 3.0 and the XC 3.0, as the CP 3.0 is the only one that I can't find info on what cells are in it. The CP 1.5 and XC 3.0 both use Samsung INR18650 15M cells, rated at 23A per cell (giving 46A on the XC). The CP 2.0 uses 20R cells, rated at 22A, the XC 4.0 *SUPPOSEDLY* uses cells rated at 20A, for a total of 40A, and the XC 6.0 uses 30Q cells, rated at 15A, for total of 60A. I've seen only one guess about the cells in the CP 3.0, being also 30Q, but I really wanted to see how they perfomed.
@@JohnDoe-fk6id, I think you meant to say the 6.0 would have a total of 30A (15A x 2), correct?
Keep in mind that, even though the CP1.5 has high current capability, the cells will deplete much faster in use than the higher capacity cells, so at some point you should expect to see the higher capacity cells putting out more current as the battery wears down. TTC uses batteries fresh off the charger so we're only seeing what they can do best case scenario. In their defense I'm not sure how you would accurately test these batteries at a partial charge and keep things consistent.
@@superspeeder you are correct. I meant 30A total on the 6.0 I was/am tired, as of this posting. You are also correct about the partial charge, but that's not really a major concern, to me. The reason I wanted to see the cp3.0 vs xc3.0 was to show the extreme difference between 6x high current, low capacity cells and 3x high capacity, low current cells.
I bet the cp3.0 would be below the cp1.5, in power, while the xc3.0 should, in theory, be above everything.
@@JohnDoe-fk6id agreed, would be interesting to see the 3.0CP.
Thanks, I have found the 2565-20 wanting for power and use my pneumatic hammerhead when needed.
Besides my paycheck you have me looking forward to this Friday
Would be curious to see if one of those aftermarket 9.0 batteries bump it up more or not.
Should redo this test with the newer m12 batteries
Awesome test man and yet another first to do something nobody else has done before. I read the reason why you couldn't get ANY 3.0ah of either forms and was hoping to see how they would stack in there as well. Please if I could lend a hand I'd love to send you mine if you can't get a lock on any and I have a few to spare. Keep up the amazing work man, absolutely love the channel and I know everyone else does as well!!
I think in an earlier comment they stated they only had the tools for 1-day for testing, so looks like they will need tools in addition to batteries to be able to test both 3.0's
@@BM-ut5nx I've got them all man and more than willing to let TTC borrow them for as long as they need, no rush, just trying to give back any way I can 👊💯
@@abijahgribble that would be awesome. I love milwaukee, never owned one but every mechanic in aviation or automotive that has been in the industry long enough swear by them, I just need to get enough together to purchase some milwaukee tools myself
That I've known*
@@BM-ut5nx I catch them on deals all the time man as much deals as they run with them you can get free tools or batteries on promos ALL the time. I'm also a mechanic and I buy every Milwaukee tool that I feel that I can use in my arsenal, and I will say this, they have been amazing additions and I don't regret the investment 👌
They all have a place in my arsenal.
Application and location for use are key.
I wonder how the m12 stubby does on a compact 3.0 versus the xc 3.0.
I was hoping to see that.
Once again your work has saved me money.
Love my m12 with a 6.0. Rarely have to touch my 2767 high torque, and it’s so small. The snap on 14.4vs have nothing on it.
I used th-cam.com/users/postUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
I use 4ah batteries for my impacts and a 6ah for my M12 air compressor and it seems to be a great match.
Any possibility of getting a 3.0 m12 compact battery and testing it to see the difference as well?
Good video! Now I can't wait for the right angle impact test coming up. I sure like my Kobalt 24v right angle impact, use it a bunch.
I would love to see an updated video to include the new 2.5ah HO and 5ah HO batteries
i wonder how the high output batteries stack up
I'm still impressed with my m12 3/8 equip with 6.0 battery sometimes I'm gonna use in lug nut wheels a small tools but badass performance
Great video, this video helped me make my decision for which battery to get for m12 tools.
Hi, I’m very surprised that right angle Milwaukee didn’t pull like some videos claim it can, I was seriously thinking about getting it, not sure now! Excellent quality video ty so much, Bob,
Watch Friday. It's pretty dramatic!
@@TorqueTestChannel I’ll watch for your notifications I’m very interested I’m a huge Milwaukee fan, ty so much,
Lots of good info in this video! Thanks for sharing!
Man i wish I found this channel months ago. Just got a new M18 compact impact and really wish I got the m12 as the m18 is just not really compact enough.
@torquetestchannel can you do the new high output batteries?
I used the stubby impact with a 4.0 at work and 6.0 onsite jobs ( no charger). Always seemed like the 4.0ah had a bit more jam than the 6.0ah. The 4.0 was older and had more cycles. Maybe the 4.0 has a bit higher peak current?🧐
Still hoping for an appendice to the makita battery chart to include their 6 amp battery
New to the channel and love the vids!!!
to bad you didnt throw in the 3ah battery overthere, i was curios about 2ah vs 3ah performance :)
I’ve had an m12 stubby 3/8’s at work for about 2 years now and it’s been a great tool. Very strong for its size and I like the fatter handle on it. It’s stronger than my co workers 20 volt Mac 3/8 impact lol. It’s great for engine work and can even pull off the wheels on my 3/4 ton dodge.
I wish you would of had access to the 3.0 battery. It’s the same form factor as the 2.0. I came with a Milwaukee heated coat I bought last winter. Anyways it gives a huge torque boost to my brushed M12 3/8 ratchet. I was shocked how much speed the 3.0 added over the 2.0.
Ac Delco makes a right angle rachet. We use it and its awesome
Perfect timing for the Kobalt vs Milwaukee comparison. I have both battery platforms so curious to see what you find. I’m leaning towards the Milwaukee purely by form factor but will wait for your review.
Hi, have you done a test on different sockets and adapters on impact wrench’s today see which give the best torque transfer and how much torque you lose with extensions, wobble sockets, hex. Bi hex, regular vs impact sockets, knuckle joints. ….your tests are awesome thanks for doing a great job…
can you test 3 amp hour battery extended 3 amp and the normal
What about the IR right angle impact
My stubby 3/8 impact w/ the XC6.0 battery has only hit it's limit a couple times, but I've only had it for a week or two, but it keeps up fine, only thing it can't do reliably is like rusty 24mm suspension stuff that you have to use a swivel on. Highly recommend it. EDIT: Oh, and axle nuts, it's 50/50 chance on those, lol.
Have you guys tested aftermarket batteries?
CP 3.0 vs XC 3.0?
Lighter and I personally like the bulky handle. I have big hands, the m12 just feels better in hand. I can hang it from my pocket comfortably. Might not have quite as much beans as the m18 but for what I do, the m12 is just right. How often does anyone actually push their tools that hard? I for one don't try and get every lb ft of torque outa it every day. Itll easily drive a 3" screw with a tiny 1.5 ah battery,
Can we see a heads-up lineup of battery torque tests like this on the m18 fuel 3/8" and 1/2" impacts?
Bro I had bought a 6.0 and compact 3.0 for 99$ just got to buy when they have good deals like that 👍
Good job dude!
Im curious to see how the new 2.5 & 5.0 High Output batteries do with these tools.
Torque Channel Guys, I really enjoy watching your channel. You all add reality to tool buying and actual use. I also like the M12 grip. I guess the guys with the small little hands prefer the thinner grips. I feel you can get a better purchase on the tool.
So, the rezults are for both directions? Forward and reverse?
Why didn't you get the cp and xc 3.0
Hope you guys plan to test the makita, Dewalt and Bosch 12v equivalents. I have the right angle lxt 18v makita right angle and while its only rated at 35 ft lbs I use it alot for spinning nuts and bolts off that I break loose with a regular ratchet, when working with fasteners put into plastic I can typically spin them right out with it. Unlike the rest of my tools a 6 aH doesn't seem to add any power over a 2aH
I keep an impact in my trunk to help people with flat tires. Now that it's cold, how much does battery temperature affect torque output?
I love my little M12 and I really don't like red but she just works.
are you sure the cheaper batteries you linked below are actually made by milwaukee?
I love my M12 3/8 stubby, I also have the new m18 mid torque but don't use as often. I will get a 3/8 cordless ratchet next but don't know which one yet, currently leaning towards the high speed or high torque.
My 4ah battery always breaks the clips which hold it inside the tool. So annoying and it never happens to the 2ah
I notice my straight grinder cuts out when I use my 6ah battery. Lower ah batteries don't bother it. I also notice my 90° grinder also cuts out using the 6ah, but only if I lug it with high pressure and the motor gets hot. I think these tools use the same motor, and it doesn't like to get hot, but gets hot easily.
No 3.0 regular or 3.0 stubby?
Good job, thanks for sharing.
I wanted to know this! Thumbs up and subscribed! Nice links!
Not being a mechanic the impact isn't my #1 tool..but I do own a few to take things apart before I weld them back together. My alleged beef with the m12's is the life span of the batteries.(I still own a grip of them)Maybe you could design a test to cycle the batteries like 200x then see how they perform?
Please help guys, I purchased the right angle with 2.0 battery.. Doesn’t loosen up brake calipers. You think bigger battery helps? Like power?
It will help. But we find that m12 can't do a lot of caliper bolts
@@TorqueTestChannel What do you recommend me buying? I’m tired of doing it manually with a breaker bar and having hand pain afterwards.
It'll be interesting to see if your Kobalt RA impact weeps from the anvil during extended use. I've experienced this myself and have read other anecdotal accounts of the same issue.
Ours didn't, and we put it through at least 12 torque tests and are still using it.
@@TorqueTestChannel good to know 👍
Are the m12 batteries interchangeable with the m18 batteries or vice a versa?
Kolbalt 24 V for the win!
What do you think of the CP 3.0 for the m12 compact do you recomend the xc battery line or the CP for a smaller foot print
Curious how Makita's new Low Torque 18V Impact compares with the old one. New one is XWT15Z, don't know the old one as I'm in Canada and the model numbers are different. In Canada it's DTW285XVZ
I'd like to see how the Makita XWT14Z fares with the Milwaukee stubby impacts.
This can be arranged