An Outsider Visits an Episcopal Church
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What's the Episcopal Church and how does it work? I've never even been in an Episcopal building, so I went for the first time and here's what happened.
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I’m glad you’re still doing these. It’s cool because you’re like a proxy for other Protestants like myself to learn about other branches of Christianity.
Learning about different Protestant denominations was (and to an extent still is) a huge step in my faith journey and led me to deeper communion with Christ in His Holy Catholic Church. Also, this was perfect to put right after the continuing Anglican video. Good order!
I would mine to see you go to a Lutheran Church And my own tradition is Pentecostal
You should do seventh day Adventist
@@diodagoat6735 id be very interested now that you say that. Even as a pastor I don't think I have any idea of their doctrine
Feel free to send me a message if u have any questions
I love this series. Your genuine non-judgemental interest is refreshing and makes the series very watchable.
I agree, very informative :)
Amanda Elizabeth Ivy Ayari morning
I agree
Agreed
It helps that he is non denominationianal those meaning that he can give everyone an unbiased view on these denominations
Im a baptist. I pass by these churches and think, hey i wonder what they believe. Thank you keep it up!
This has been one of the most helpful series concerning the different Christian denominations that I have come across.
Thank you so much for engaging in a dialogue with other denominations which otherwise would have been shunned by most people.
May God empower your ministry more! God bless.
Nikko R. They should rightly be shunned for being heretical.
@@thepianoman6958 Heresy is wrong and sinful, but nothing wrong with just listening to people to hear what they think. Sometimes it even helps to fix heresy. "The Ravenna Statement" and "The Filioque: A Church Dividing Issue?: An Agreed Statement" are both good examples of how listening can help two opposing sides of an issue.
@@thepianoman6958 Said Pope Piano Man???
As Catholic, its great to see other Christian Churches. Interesting on the similarities and small differences in each one. Keep doing these!
Thank you for not saying "Other Religions"
The Episcopalian Church is a catholic church. I take it that you are a Roman Catholic.
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well generally since it's also a western church, the liturgy, vestments and other things are extremely similar, the real differences come in the theological nitty-gritty, meaning that if you for example go to a lutheran service you're going to feel pretty similar, but if you talk to a lutheran theologian it'll be really different
@Carey dePass, the Episcopals aren’t Catholic, they’re Anglicans
As an Episcopalian, I appreciate your inquisitive heart and genuine interest in the "why" and "how" of Episcopal worship. I appreciate this series as bridge building.
Atheist here, was literally just yesterday walking past the episopalian church (here in scotland) and wondering what exactly their relation to anglicanism was. Cheers for clearing that up, and the stuff about henry and the founding. Love the show
Hi atheist I'm christian lmao
Episcopalians in relation to the Anglican Church in the United States are derived from the anglican church, after the revolutionary war, they no longer called themselves anglican as it was tied to the crown, so they became "episcopalian" but remained in the Anglican Communion.
Andrew B Until recently at least. At Gafcon, the majority of primates, representing the majority of Anglicans, recognized the Anglican Church in North America as the official Anglican Church within the US and Canada.
They are still recognized by Canterbury, but to say they currently in the Anglican Communion is not something you can readily say.
@@kylejacobson9587 that's most definitely not true, respectfully. The ACNA isnt even invited as full participants to lambeth, they're allowed as observers.
@@user-qm5ol8ub2y That's the question, isn't it. Gafcon these days represent more global Anglicans than those which attend Lamberth, as many national churches are boycotting it of its tolerance of liberalism. What represents global Anglicanism? Is it the traditional institution, or is it the vast majority of Anglicans who are breaking away from the growingly heterodox authority?
This is my childhoood church and it’s ao wonderful to see it featured. For the record, baptisms were historically done at the font by the door at the back of the nave. I was baptized there as an infant in January, 1965.
That's awesome Cynthia! Every single person I met their was fantastic, and it's really cool to hear from someone who has history there.
@@MattWhitmanTMBH there, not their. you met them THERE.
@@paulengstrom432 they’re in there with their bear is how I remember
I love this series. So happy everytime there's a new episode!!
(Hyped for Lutheran and Catholic)
I feel like he already has a decent read on Catholicism you know
@@joelancon7231 it isn't about HIS knowledge, these videos are pedagogical and educational in a way I have rarely experienced.
Hopefully Missouri Synod!
@@billtalker3843 Just saw this comment--have you seen his recent videos where he visits Rev. Will Weedon of the LCMS?
Philip McNiel I'll check it out!!
"Christ is the Word, the Bible is the word about the Word" what a wonderful statement.
I thought everyone had heard that the bird is word?
Or: The Bible is the Word of God in the words of man (Vatican II).
Sid Masey: Christ is the Logos of God (Rev. 19:13-Strong's# 3056); and
Scripture is the rhema of God (1 Peter 1:25; Heb. 6:5; Rom. 10:8--Strong's
#4487); and yes, it was a wonderful statement. I am not a trained Bible
scholar, however, I thoroughly enjoy Biblical study. In my limited under-
standing the word 'rhema' references the sayings of Christ Jesus;
'something that has been uttered in either the past or present by a living
entity.' (Thayers)
Jesus is the Word. Not a book.
I'm not even religious but I love watching your videos to learn more about Christianity.
I love hearing that Gil!
Understood. I am an Asatruar /Heathen and I enjoy this series. I came here because of curiosity. I'm open to learn about new things and people. Very good videos!
You guys should watch a Ray comfort (living waters )interview video to learn what Christians believe
These curious endeavors captured on film are going to help a lot of people.
That's what I'm hoping my friend. Thanks for supporting me on this!
Please visit a traditional Roman Catholic parish. I think there are a lot of misconceptions about Catholicism.
If you listened to Matt's podcast with Destin Sandlin (of Smarter Every Day fame), No Dumb Questions, then you might know that his visit to SLC's The Cathedral of the Madeleine (I think, he said it was the Cathedral in SLC and I don't remember if he said the name at the time) is coming! I've been waiting, refreshing the video feed every day to catch it (along with all of these Protestant visits).
I say this to point you towards some of Matts other work in a way I think is funny. I think NDQ is a great listen (each and every episode) and anyone reading this who hasn't listened should check it out!
@@sherizaahd thanks so much, I will give it a listen! I've really enjoyed his series here on TH-cam. He's so open minded and eager to learn, and asks great questions!
AB Dean Catholic means universal....
A TH-camr hmmm... The Catholic Church did not break from the Eastern Orthodox Churches... The Eastern Orthodox Churches disagree with the primacy of the Chair of Peter but only after many years of agreement.
AB Dean I guess if understand Judas as being part of the Church and he left Unity with Christ it was not unified from the start but Jesus prayed for it to be so and thus Christians should not settle for a Non unified Church but should work towards unity
Traditional Catholic parish when??
You are sure they will like a heretic to trample over their holy ground
@1 2 ok ooo. Nothing spoil. Protestant "heretics" who have destroyed the Church in Vatican II will be coming in droves now. Thanks for the clarification
@1 2 nope. I will say it in Hankool. Hang shin tang kasai manu haka kai! Lol
@@hesedagape6122 He actually did -and no, won't trample ,they will talk - as the priest shared with me - If yoiu want to learn about another persons expression of faith talk to leaders not someone who's never been to one but read,heard, or presumes.... to know
@@brianpe6704 I seem to have to break it down. Traditional Roman Catholics have a beautiful thing going but they should be willing to accommodate other views as well. Sometimes some of them on the internet make sweeping statements that puts people off. If you are not ready to understand others you should not expect a similar level of understanding
28:42 - probably one of the saddest phrases in this fascinating interview. "It's the nature of protestant churches to split."
I appreciate Father's honesty here and throughout the interview.
but that's true isn't it?
It’s literally how the protestant movement came into being. It’s in the DNA.
@@jenniferbabuca Luther's original intention was to ... reform the roman church. What if it was the roman church that left its first love and was the first dissenting party? Have you personally read and refuted Luther's 95 points? The catholic church was ok with selling indulgences... Come on. Would the apostles do that?
@@timothyfreeman97 then why was Luther excommunicated? What about the assumption of Mary? What about purgatory? These are false doctrines of men pretending to be Apostles and pretending to be vicars. It's sick actually.
As a wounded, divorced rejected catholic i really love to hear about the Episcopal church. I'm Roman catholic but I feel a real attraction to the Episcopal church. I miss the Church in my life.
Visit a Maronite Church
You may wish to check out an ACNA church :)!
I have really enjoyed this series! Thanks very much for these. Learning about differing perspectives is great!
Rev. Barry Vaughan: Were the apostles baptized?
Me: *has to pause the video because my brain broke for a second *
They were, by the ghost lol. Pentecost is a big deal.
@@Kernelhazzard1 Pentecost is a big deal, thank you
Jon Howard The first few apostles that Christ called sat under the preaching of John the Baptist and likely received baptism. We see later where the apostles ask those to whom they preach whether they have received baptism. Confused by the question, the reply was that they had received the baptism of John. We could then surmise that most who were believers in the Messiah and teachings of John would’ve received baptism. It’s likely all the apostles would’ve been baptized by water and we know for sure they were baptized by the Spirit.
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The relevant question he's raising is whether the apostles (and anyone else present if there was any) were baptised before the Last Supper, and pentecost was after then.
As mentioned above, some of the apostles were initially disciples of John the Baptist so would be baptised; whether the others were is unknown.
You are all wonderful. I'm just a young guy still trying to make sense of where I am and what I believe about the bible. All of your comments have been very kind and insightful. I was making a joke with my original comment, but it was also what came over me in the moment. I find it comforting knowing that when I have a question these comment sections are, more often then not, genuinely helpful. Thank you
The priest is a gentleman! And a very learned man. Good bless
You should do more of these love it ✝️
You weren't curious about them accepting people with homosexual behaviors? Kind of odd. I would have loved to hear their explanation of that.
I’m sure you would. But here’s the thing Nathan there are denominations for everybody. Now mind your own weird obsessions.
That’s a totally great question to ask your pastor! Let him know how u feel,
As an Episcopalian who is currently attending seminary to be a priest, I loved watching this video. Spot on and I love your videos of exploration. You ask honest and intelligent questions and respond in a respectful and productive way that promotes education and understanding. I appreciate every bit of it. Thank you
Do you worry about the future? Statistically the Episcopal Church could very well cease to exist in 20 years. I'm scared to death for the future. A lack of faith I guess.
@@dugood70 While I think it is certainly possible, I also believe the Episcopal Church has some real opportunities to be what many people are seeking in the world right now. Times are uncertain, but as a denomination that values tradition and seeks to move forward with the rest of the world too I think we have a chance to thrive. We are not perfect and have much work to do, but I believe it is possible. The fact that we cannot know the future means it will always be scary, but we can look to the ways God has moved in our lives and throughout time and hold onto the hope that pattern will continue in the future. Even if the Episcopal Church dies off, God will always be active in the world through those who believe. Peace be with you.
@@dugood70 my diocese increases every year. Lots of baptisms, confirmations. Yes, we pass on.
@Anglican4Iran as someone who interested in becoming an Episcopalian, I'm curious what diocese are you from? I ask because maybe we are neighbors lol.
@@Taco0718 hi! It’s been 4 years since my comment but I finished seminary and am now a priest in the diocese of northwest Texas! But I know good clergy all over the country so chances are you probably live near some great Episcopal churches. Hope you find a place to call home ❤️
Jesus was baptized. Isn't he to be our example?
Charlotte Slagel Yeah it should be baptism first then communion then confirmation
The Knapp Family Acts 19:5-6 - Paul imposed hands on baptized, received Holy Spirit
Acts 8:14-17 - laid hands upon them, they received Holy Spirit
2Cor 1:21-22 - put seal on us and given Holy Spirit in our hearts
Eph 1:13 - you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit
Heb 6:2 - instruction about baptism & laying on of hands
The Knapp Family “When Simon saw that the Spirit was conferred by the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money”
-Acts 8:18
Jesus is indeed our example. More than that, the Communion table is _his_ table. As Fr. Vaughan said, it's not his place to turn anyone away. Jesus broke bread with anyone who was hungry.
@@JoshWright396 OTOH - that particular supper was a closed-door affair, by invite-only.
As an Episcopalian, thank you for doing this video.
Spencers4 love the Episcopal church
A fellow Episcopalian Christian good to see you all.Sincerly an American Episcopalian Christian.
I’m also Episcopalian:)
Do more of these. Theological differences arent explained between the sects of christianity anymore
Agreed. I'm just glad he didn't title the series "Let's talk about sects". ;)
This was excellent. I am kind of partial, as I am an Episcopalian (by choice), but Rev. Barry did a great job of explaining and Matt does a great job of listening and asking good questions!
This guy needs to meet the good ole Roman Catholic Fr Ripperger
Greetings from the Coptic Church in Egypt , we love the Traditional Catholic Church brother God bless you always , read about Our Lady of Zeitun 1968 one of the most amazing public apparitions of Mary infront of nearly 1 million people but not much popular as Fatima
Fr. Rip is the last one to call himself Roman Catholic . So why do you?
It's Catholic
I've been watching your series on visiting other Christian denominations and branches, and I'm drawn to this one in particular. I was born, baptized, and raised Presbyterian, then became non-denominational, then in recent years wavered close to agnostic because of how many hateful and hypocritical Christians of various denominations I've encountered as an adult. I think I will look into the Episcopal Church further. I had always heard other Churches label them as too lenient and laidback in their teachings, but that honestly sounds preferable to the Evangelicals I've seen screaming at everyone.
Thanks for this series, you really are doing God's work.
I like you doing different denominations. I really learn alot. Would you please consider a Coptic Christian church. I'm really curious about this one. These people are being persecuted in Egypt.
@Randell Franklyn Busby Is that earlier than whatever the Armenian church is? (I don't mean this in a rude way.. I just have no idea what the Armenian Church believes)
Coptic and Armenian are Oriental Orthodox.
Why have altar rails and kneel to receive if you don't believe in the true presence?
This Episcopalian minister shows the glaring fault of Protestantism. There is no authority so everyone is their own Magisterium. How many times did he say "I believe that" or "in my opinion you do/don't need..." Every Protestant gets to pick and choose what they believe and which rules or traditions to follow.
I genuinely enjoy this series. I hope you do the Methodist Church and the AME Zion Church.
Yo, keep doing these please! They make Ecumenism between Christians seem much more approachable, and I love learning about different traditions in the Church. :3
As an Episcopalian I do wish the Priest adhered to proper doctrine in not inviting the unbaptized to take of the Eucharist. Even as far back as the Didache we can see that the Church has always required Baptism at a minimum before partaking of the Lord's Body and Blood. In Exodus we see that the uncircumcised could not eat of the Passover Lamb. Christ is our Passover, and Baptism is our new initiation into the New Covenant.
Also, the "Were the apostles baptized?" Is a silly question. Of course they were. They literally journeyed and learned and taught with Christ for 3 years and baptized others in the Name of the Trinity. The idea that they were not baptized after 3 years with the Incarnated deity, and having been doing baptisms and administering Sacraments is a bit absurd to me.
As a pastor with a few degrees under my own belt, I have to say that I haven’t had so much fun watching and learning, in some cases re-learning, about our brothers and sisters in the Lord.
No, I do not agree with everything each of the pastors has said. In a couple of cases I wanted to jump through the screen and throt.............errr..........I mean, offer a.......thought provoking differing opinion than theirs lol!!!
For far too long we have attempted to backbite each other. I know as I grew up Roman Catholic, was going to go to seminary after high school and took another route. Basically, I ran from God. Ashamed to admit it but I did for a decade or so. We need dialogue and no, talking alone will not mend the wounds overnight that took centuries to place.
I did one master thesis on Luther’s reformation. All Luther desired was a dialogue to end the long train of abuses such as the selling of indulgences. For that he was nearly burned at the stake!
We need more of this! Much much more! Thank you Matt for doing this series! It is incredible!
A necessary sequel to the previous Anglican video, this one seems to have a very mix of broadchurch and lower church the vicar here deffinetly seems to fit the mold of a broadchurch man or to use a previous term a mid churchman this is why I adore Anglicanism, great stuff.
Yes, this priest does not well represent the Episcopal Church or Anglican Communion. I was disappointed with his laissez faire attitude.
@@ambiguity144 I disagree they have a hierarchy and bishops are elected as he has mentioned it. There are obviously reasons why they cannot be in communion with all Anglican or even Catholic Church because they are progressive on issues such as ordination of women to priesthood, married clergy as well as marriage equality.
I think to cover Anglicanism he would need to visit a couple more churches and then try to stitch together an overall picture. Not easy to make sense of right now, but globally, the Anglican Communion is reforming broadly along the fault lines of postmodernism on the one hand, and historic, tried-and-true Christianity on the other. But COVID-19 is speeding up the process of the degeneration of the postmoderns.
My commments
1. Anglicanism is the brainchild of the English Reformer Thomas Cranmer, Archbishop of Canterbury during the reigns of Henry VIII and Edward VI. He built it based on primarily Calvinist theology with a little Lutheranism. He kept most of the medieval Roman Catholic practices.
2. No Henry VIII separated from the Papacy because Cranmer was invested by him as Archbishop of Canterbury. In his credentials sent to the Pope, Cranmer inserted a letter of protest against Papal authority. Now the Pope had sent his appointment letter already. Once he was enthroned he quickly authorised the annulment and married Henry VIII to Anne Boleyn. The Pope realised the mistake that he had placed a Calvinist Protestant Catholic on the seat of St Augustine and demanded his head. Cranmer burnt as a heretic would mean the divorce and marriage were illegal so Henry refused. He was threatened with excommunication and a Crusade. Henry sought the protection of Parliament who passed the Act of Supremacy as a bargaining chip. This gave Cranmer a free hand to reform the Church while the Pope bickered with the King over his head.
3. Tracing Anglican history through the monarchs of ENgland obscures the history of the English Reformation. Once Henry VIII died Cranmer's star pupils Edward VI and Elizabeth I took a centre stage in carrying out his wishes. First Edward gave Cranmer more powers to implement more reforms and did not restrain him. After Mary I judicially murdered Cranmer, Elizabeth took over the throne and reinstituted the reforms of her mentor with the help of Cranmer's friends and proteges.
This priest's explanation was quite clever but avoided underlying reality.
Very much enjoyed this video. I am in the process of joining the Episcopal Church. I am formerly from the United Church of Christ. Was drawn to Anglicanism by the Eucharist. Thank you for the video!
"Whoever you are and wherever you are in your pilgrimage of faith, you are welcome here at God's Table." Hearing this is what made me leave the Roman Catholic Church for the Episcopal Church.
I’ve tried to receive blessings during Mass as a Christian but not as a Catholic and received a dirty look. So yeah lol.
Presbyterians, Lutherans, evangelicals, Anglicans, Baptists, Pentecostals, 7Day Adventist’s, and the latest church founded by self appointed freelance Bible interpreters, all of them teach different things and even claim the others are in error. So who on earth has the truth? Since Christ established a a Church and h¡gave the keys of authority to Peter and the apostles, and commanded Peter to feed and tend the sheep, where is that central authority today? One cannot claim the Bible is the final authority being that the Church was teaching with authority before the Bible was even defined. One has to find the Church that defined the Bible in the first place.
Ah yes, that elusive One True Church. Are you referring to the Eastern Orthodox, or to Roman Catholic? They both make the same claims about themselves on this issue.
I really like this series, but what I want to know is are you sticking around to attend their service/mass/celebration & if you are what was your impression.
At 12:55 ish Matt and Rev. Vaughn are talking about who can take communion, and how Wesley described communion as a "converting ordnance." I am newly baptized this year, but several years ago I went to a high Anglican church and knelt at the front during communion and the priest blessed me. That moment was *powerful* for me. I wouldn't say it was a "conversion moment" but it was definitely a memorable seed-planting moment. It was beautiful. Thank you God
I went through that too , only the priest came to me to give me communion and all of a sudden he stopped in front of me put his hands on my head and prayed a very specific prayer for help that was happening in my life right then. You talk about powerful, wow!!
Almost every liturgical he says are derived from Catholic theology
The liturgy hasn't changed. The Anglican split from Rome was more political rather than theological, so a lot of liturgy and traditions from Rome was retained. It's more of a schismatic Church with Calvinist influences.
Rather unpleasant but realistic presentation of the current theology of the Episcopal Church. He's literally violating cannon on reception of the Eucharist. Not cool.
How so?
Leslie Summers It's the nature of most religious denominations to violate canon. Is violating canon worse than sinning, which from which most believers' perspective introduces the need for canon in the first place, and which everyone universally would be guilty of?
@@crowstakingoff I don't understand why it's the nature of most denominations to violate canon. If TEC wants to allow open communion, then General Convention can make that happen. But they haven't; therefore, this rector is intentionally violating the will of his denomination.
@@alhilford2345 In the Episcopal Church, it's General Convention that makes the rules. Enforcement is selective, at best.
@@alhilford2345 No worries, Al. Good question. Yes, General Convention has separate houses of both clergy and lay persons. And, they vote every 3 years on the rules of the Church. They have not yet approved open communion.
I am liking this series. Looking forward to seeing which denomination you'll be visiting next. One question though, will you eventually be show casing your denomination or have you done that already?
He probably considers the rest of his channel as a good enough representation of his beliefs
It's the one on the Evangelical Free Church.
Catholics do the same at Easter with the lamp and stripping out the altar.
I'm not a member of the Episcopal Church, but I did attend an Episcopal parish for 12 years. I don't want to contradict an Episcopal priest about his own church, but it seems to me that the fact that so many Episcopal parishes have courtyards, garth, gardens, etc. indicates something. At the same time, Episcopalians seem to have a high regard for God's role as Creator. So I think the reason so many Episcopal parishes have outdoor areas is to remind us that we are part of God's creation. As it says in the hymn "All People Who on Earth doth Dwell," "Without our help, he did us make."
Just my 2 cents.
I think an Episcopalian priest might know a bit more than you.
What a church that is true to her word -- welcoming all those who want to follow Jesus!
Please do an episode about the Catholic Church! I feel like all the pastors in this series make claims about the church and I would love to see a catholic priest respond to these claims!
He should get Bishop Barron to do it
He should tour a traditionalist parish.
@Randell Franklyn Busby The Post Vatican II Church is filled to the brim with abuses and cancerous behaviors. Who are you to say the Church's eternal traditions are irrelevant? Many people adhere to them, especially in the SSPX, FSSP, and other priestly societies.
He's already done a part 1 and part 2 for a visit to a Roman Catholic cathedral. I think it was the first of all the series. Check out his web page by clicking on "The Ten Minute Bible Hour" icon at the start of the comments.
Pew-Aerobics I like to call it.
This has been so enlightening! I live in the south, and I've been brought up Baptist my whole life, and we seem to build at these opinions about other branches of the faith without actually getting to know them. Thank you for going out and asking all these questions.
Same! I grew up Southern Baptist and now attend a conservative, evangelical Anglican church (it's in the ACNA). Attending that church and watching these videos gave me a deep understanding and appreciation of other denominations and the past and present scope of the universal church.
@@wesmorgan7729 howdy from the diocese of the Upper Midwest!
we're all waiting on the Catholic one...
I have to make a statement here, the Anglican communion is neither protestant nor fully Catholic, it is a mid way.
Henry was given the title "Defender of the Faith" by Pope Leo X in 1521 - as stated in the video. However, when he took control of the English Church, that title was stripped from him by Pope Paul III in 1530 when he excommunicated Henry. In 1544, the English Parliament granted Henry a new title of "Defender of the Faith" - this time meaning Defender of the Anglican Faith. This title is the one passed down to the current Monarch of the United Kingdom.
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A “church” that makes up its own theology = a man made idol.
This series rocks man! I got into an awesome discussion w/ an LDS co-worker the other day BECAUSE of this series. It gave me a great example of how to talk to someone on a hot button issue without it getting really weird. Thanks for all the effort man!
I love hearing that. Seriously, that's about as encouraging as it gets.
When Matt said this was an old church, I was a bit confused because the buildings didn't look like it. Then they mentioned that the church was founded in 1907 and I was even more confused. And then I remembered this is in the US and it all made sense.
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1907- Congregation founded. First one in Vegas. 1960s- that particular church building was built. Church is the body of Christ, not the building. But that building is lovely. Courtyard could be a site of celebration, aiding the poor, and gardens. Thanks
My local CofE church is nearly 1000 years old!
@Adrienne Gurge yeah for a brit a two hour drive is quite the drag lol, it always disorients me a bit when i read american comments on whatever subject that are like "hey, i'm really near that place, just a few hours away, wow you're really close to me"
@@internetenjoyer1044 It's as they say: "Americans think 100 years is a long time. Europeans think 100 miles is a long way."
Go to a Byzantine Catholic church! Orthodox traditions, Catholic doctrine. Fully in communion with Roman Catholics.
Lauren Flores the sweet spot to be honest
@@jackharwood3868 the only sad thing is in that "sweet spot" the Romancatholic doctrine is enaf to see God as fire on the last day. orthodox tradition WITHOUT orthodox doctrine is very bad,i mean seriosly bad for your soul.
This is a great series. I enjoyed the Orthodox one the most. They are all interesting. You are a good example of James 1.19
they are all awesome and the Orthodox one was absolutely great haha Father Chris sems like the coolest guy ever.
We have seen the True Light! We have received the Heavenly Spirit! We have found the True Faith! Worshiping the Undivided Trinity, Who has saved us.
I also liked the Orthodox video the best so far. I'm not necessarily saying I agreed with things, just I found the flow of the video really well done and the church was extremely interesting and they guy was chill lol
My father-in-law suggested we all try an Episcopal Church and I found this video. Probably one of the best vids I could have found to help me understand the basics, I feel much more informed and encouraged :) Thank you great vid!
Daaaannng, “Were the apostles baptized?” Sooooo goood! Ah man I just LOVE these videos! And not that it matters, but it’s coming from a practicing Catholic. Keep bringing us together Matt.
I caught that too. But I very much disagree with the reverend on this one. At least some of the apostles were baptised in the conventional way as they followed John the Baptist before Jesus. But undeniably all were baptized in Spirit at the pentecost. So the answer would be yes. In that sense I'm still more comfortable with the baptism-first-communion-later order and I'm not really convinced by the agrument but I appreciate the sincerity and openness in explaining his view.
@@zagrizena Thank God A028 died in committee! I hope we see discipline for those who have been violating the Canons on Communion.
@@farlado5459 I'm not good with code names of Canon law proposals, but I'm curious. What's was A028?
@@zagrizena A028 was the communion without baptism resolution
@@farlado5459 Oh, I see. Never thought anything like that officially existed. Thanks for the reply.
I’m thinking of joining the Episcopal church in my town. I was researching the church and found your video. Thank you so much!!
The minister made a slight mistake on the church's web address - I just tested it out, and it's actually www.christepiscopallv.org
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Have you gone to the Methodist church?
This would be a helpful one. I've always wondered what they believed.
Matthew Devine you and everybody else
May I suggest Will Willoman who is brilliant.
Samantha Etc. why did I think that said Minecraft church
I'm having a hard time with how much the guest is playing down Henry VIII's extraodinary sins. Thousands of people died because they did not except his break from Rome. I am not, in anyway, downplaying Roman sin. But this guest talks extensively more about Henry VIII that he has to and really sidesteps all of that, yet he names outload that Mary Tudor executed many, many Protestants which she did. And yet, Henry VIII comes off as "not so bad."
Thank you for this series! As a "capital c" Catholic, I've always loved learning about the differences among Protestant churches, especially those that are closer to Roman Catholicism. A lot of Episcopal church seemed very familiar to me, the "box" (tabernacle), the sanctuary lamp that's extinguished on Holy Thursday, the emphasis on Sacraments. I'd love to see a Roman Catholic church visit. :)
Just everyone always remember Episcopalians like all true Anglicans are in full communon with Canterbury. We are not Protestants, but we are descended from the ancient and undivided Church that Christ Jesus founded just as the Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholic branches of the Church are.
This was a lovely video. I am a part of a Diocese that is couched in the Oxford Movement so every time the good priest said that the Anglican Church is 'protestant', a shiver went down my spine, but, gloriously, the Anglican Communion can maintain High Church, Broad Church, and Low Church ways of worship. Thank you for doing this video! Peace be with you!
It can't, though. That's the problem with the Anglican Communion. "One Church, one faith, one baptism..."(Eph. 4:5) You're either Catholic or you're not.
The Protestant Episcopal Church is a protestant church. There’s no question about it.
Lutheran here!
I don’t think it’s accurate to say that the English reformation is more “conservative“, than the other reformers…
.. The Lutheran reformation was just as.. if not far more conservative. Not only did we maintain the liturgical service of the medieval church (the usual vestments and ceremonies, the praying of hours and the liturgical/sanctoral calendar), but we also, like the English, retained the orders of bishop, presbyter and a deacon.
But more importantly than any of that, our sacramental theology is far more conservative and in continuity with medieval Christianity than that of the English who basically just went the way of Calvin/Zwingli in the latter years of Thomas Cranmer (a heritage that is evident even in your very interview with this Episcopal priest.. no Lutheran priest/pastor would deny that the Eucharist is the *substantial* body and blood of Christ, whereas many Anglicans do just that).
Lutherans (on the other hand) are thoroughly sacramental, and maintain an understanding of especially baptism, Eucharist, and confession, (but also to a lesser degree ordination, marriage, unction, and confirmation) that is in continuity with the whole church both East and West - as regenerative, substantial vehicles of divine grace (rather than spiritual signs of the covenant or at worst “mere symbols”).
Lutherans and Episcopalians are in full communion now with the sharing of priests.
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Mainline liberal Lutherans (ELCA) and Episcopalians (ECUSA), yes. This is because liberals are willing to compromise on doctrine where conservatives are not.
Conservative Lutherans (LCMS, etc.) and Anglicans (ACNA, etc.) are not in fellowship and conservative Lutherans for one, would not compromise with the Anglican ambiguity on the Eucharist. Despite the fact that I wish there could be fellowship.
The Episcopalian Church has abandoned most all doctrine since the 1970s, Anglicans hood strongly the view of the true presence.
There are a lot of Anglicans who don't hold the understanding of the sacraments that you describe, but would in an understated way agree more with what you say is the Lutheran view. Also, I've been told that all Lutherans except the Swedish experienced a physical break in apostolic continuity?
Just came across this great video. Greetings from St. Philip's Episcopal Church, Circleville, Ohio founded in 1817 and going strong!
So when you going to talk to a big C Catholic? Maybe Robert Barron?
Bishop Barron would blow Matt''s mind. Matt should watch Bishop Barron's Word on Fire show!
Try watching Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon, true Catholics
When history professors collide! Great knowledge being poured out thank you.
Loved the episode!
I'm looking forward to a very 'strong' Catholic church episode.
Also, I'm wondering if you'll ever visit a Mosque, must be super interesting!
Either way, can't wait for the next episode
Hey you gotta draw the line somewhere, my man.
@@Mr.Truxton Why? People are people. Different viewpoints are always insightful. Talking to Muslims has always been a pleasure in my experience. This whole exercise is about erasing lines instead of drawing them. But maybe you're right that isn't necessarily prime content for this channel. Also, connotations around Islam are probably way different over in the USA compared to what I am used to.
@@Omnieboer Well sorry to say, i don't think theres many muslims that would be okay with that. And the point is that Matt could say his view also. Not many that tolerable muslims out there.
@@Mr.Truxton
Obviously he can't do it in this series as this series is about Christian denominations, but I think Matt said in a comment he is considering doing a separate one on other religions (of course, maybe this might not go anywhere and that's fine too, there are lots of other cool things Matt could end up doing with his channel).
There'll be plenty of Imams who'll be fine with saying their view and Matt saying his own view; that's certainly true of an Imam I met recently, anyway.
@@IamGrimalkin Maybe.
Really enjoyed this video !
I always wondered what the difference between the two was, coming from a Methodist church.
Thanks for doing these videos.
I really enjoyed this one too man!! You're pretty awesome, and as a Catholic Christian, I really have appreciated this series. Quick note, in reference to one of the last things you said about being around some people who almost seem mad that everyone doesn't believe/think how they do... I LOVED the video you did at the Orthodox church, but kinda got the feeling several times the priest was trying to elevate his faith higher than all others, particularly over the Catholic Church. And I have found that to be a common situation... and it saddens me :/ I have really enjoyed this though! Keep it up!!
That's essentially what all denominations do. After all, they exist 'cause they believe they are correct.
WHY is a Statue of Mary there... they have a lot catholic symbolism happening, but SO far from Catholicism. Its interesting why they are clinging to the Catholic Church, maybe God is trying to tell them something
Many Episcopal church have statues, not just of Mary, but of the Sacred Heart and the saints. Many Lutheran churches also have statues, especially in Scandinavian countries.
38000 Christians denominations with even more opinions. If you want the truth ask God for wisdom and study scriptures then you will find the truth. WARNING this will take time and won't be easy.
I'm loving this series. I was raised as a Methodist, became Pentacostal as a young adult, married a Baptist/ Evangelical and lived that out for 18 yrs, and then we both became Roman Catholic. I'm particularly interested in how much of Roman Catholicism was preserved in these churches that split from the Catholic church early on. It would kind of be fascinating if you started with Catholicism and then followed the trail of all of the churches that came later in history just to see what "sticks"....better yet, Go to a synagogue! That would be super interesting.
Christi Dea Orthodoxy is the original church
If you don't mind me asking, why did you convert to Catholicism? As a Pentecostal myself I really want to see why people change denomination to Catholicism.
Lucas Wright I’m also interested
In John's Gospel (3:22), we read that, "after this, Jesus and his disciples went into the region of Judea, where he spent some time with them baptizing." So I take it as a logical conclusion that Jesus had first baptized his own apostles. Saul is Baptized by Ananias so....
It is cool to see an actual Anglican Church, the other video with "Anglican" in the title seems to be a breakaway church who calls itself Anglican. That is my interpretation.
That would be correct. A google search reveals St. George is part of the Anglican Province of Christ the King, a "Continuing Anglican" denomination which split from The Episcopal Church in the 70s over women's ordination.
Here's the thing: that other Anglican church would say that the Episcopal Church - USA has broken away from the traditional doctrines and practices which all (provinces) members of the Anglican Communion used to hold to. So, if you really want to connect with the historic Christian faith in the Anglican way, you'd pass by the Episcopal church and look for something that calls itself Anglican.
@@marmeemarch7080 But what makes the COE is it's PCness etc. The 'Anglican' Church in the US, is like a schism. It has broken away, rather than stayed and continued with the main flow of the Church.
@@dracovenit9549 Christians are always under pressure to be PC, to conform to the values and ideas of the world they live in. Which is more important, to stay in an institution that conforms to that, or to find a way to stay true to the teachings and values of the Scriptures as Christians have interpreted them over the centuries? It depends on what's more important to you. These are very interesting times to be any kind of Anglican! We get to watch all these issues get hashed out on a global scale.
@@benjaminmiller936 Funny though how English-British queens could be leaders of the church, but other women can't be ordained.
Biggest organ in Nevada...funny stuff.
I think you should do a long video on the history of the church starting at the first century and where all the major denominations came from. That would be cool.
That would be a mini-series.
Henry the 8th was a very committed Catholic? Hmm...
Anna Chewter He WAS, up until he wasn't.
I believe what he meant was that Henry VIII remained *theologically* Catholic even after the split with Rome in a pretty firm, significant way. He spent a lot of time pushing back against evangelicals who wanted him to take the English reformation a step further- he had no patience for the idea of married priests, maintained a Catholic understanding of sacraments, etc.
Hi, I just want to suggest. Because you've been to Catholic churches and have talked about it. How about you try attending a mass and talk to the priest about what's going on in a mass and share your thoughts as well. Think about it. I love you videos. Keep them coming. God bless!
Im an anglican in the caribbean. Episcopal and Anglicans are pretty much the same no matter how devided the doctrine is the same. In some places like jamaica the name anglicans is still used but coming to the states i would just attend an episcopal church. Love this vedio good job father barry so proud of the ministry of the church.
It would be really cool if went and checked out the Episcopal Church in Colonial Williamsburg. I believe it's the oldest running in the U.S. The Queen, bishops, presidents, and all have come to it. Very neat history.
The Episcopal Church used to be just…the American Church
This church believes the Eucharist to be symbolic while the Catholic Church believes the Eucharist to be the Real Presence . You can't have it both ways. Man has divided the body of Jesus. Isn't Protestantism a heresy?
I’ve come to this party late, but am currently binging every one of these church visits. What an amazing series! I left the RC church decades ago. I became a bit of an agnostic but am still seeking a place where I belong. I dislike the political sway of many churches and want to find a church that is truly inclusive.
Hello! Episcopal churches tend to be inclusive, yes! Wonderfully so. The worship style may feel "Catholic" but having grown up Catholic- they are wildly more open in general to evwryone. Most United Church of Christ (UCC) churches also are- the individual churches can choose for themselves (usually "Congregational" churches- but not all Congregational churches are in the UCC denomination), but are encouraged to be "open and affirming" or atleast welcoming to all. UCC churches will usually include some outward sign on their websites and FB pages that they are inclusive!
I really enjoyed this, the Episcopal/Anglican (in England and Canada) really appeals to me, for its tradition, the sacraments, the theology, and its general openness. I understand the hook of the evangelistic churches/charismatic traditions, Episcopalism appeals to those who are more academically minded, skeptical by nature, and scholarly in their approach (not to say this does not happen in other traditions). Great series! Thank you!
Episcopalians are very similar to Catholics. They are often considered catholic light.
@@patrickmanway290 I’m well aware but there’s more to it. Episcopalians/Anglicans give room for interpretation and choice with similar doctrine (less emphasis on Marian devotion) where as Catholics have a firmer sense of dogma and views on key issues - I love and admire both traditions and their “child” the Methodists, religion fascinated me and the music used for it
@@danielponder690 I was raised catholic. I'm an LGBT ally, so I like Episcopalian's progressive beliefs.
@@patrickmanway290 yes, they’re very liturgical. To me, the Episcopal church is like a mix between the Roman Catholic and the Methodist church.
i am a cradle episcopal, meaning that i was born in the church. i find the episcopal church to be a very open, affirming, loving place and whether i am am attending on a regular basis or not it will always be my spiritual home.
The Catholic Church next! If you go you need to go to a parish that does the Tridentine mass
That is the first time I have ever heard that take on Henry VIII, sheds some light on a subject that is usually explained pretty one dimensionally. Thanks for the videos.
True! Catholics just rush to judge Anglicanism as a church made to suit someone's needs. If you look at history the Catholic Church has also done things to suit itself. The dark age of Europe was a horrible period really and the Catholic Church was responsible for it. Similarly in England, Henry did have some real concerns about the future of his throne. It's natural for him to make decisions when other churches were doing things to proclaim power and control over other churches and communities.
@@lizzystar1907 it's too bad that Henry VIII was a horrid, abusive, vile king and tyrant.
I was a cradle Episcopalian, but because of changes the Episcopal Church did, I had to walk away from that Church. I am now Orthodox, having found the Church that has continued since the time of the Apostles. It was a dramatic change for me, but very rewarding.
Jonathan Soko I’m not Orthodox, but Catholicism & Orthodoxy have been around since the beginning, when they were one Church. I’m presuming you’re a Protestant?
@@misererenobis8900 I am now Orthodox, on purpose. I attend a Greek Orthodox Church.
Thanks James, I was referring to Jonathan Soko, whom it seems has an issue with the 'orthadox' Church.
@David Russell The Eastern Church resisted/rejected the Bishop of Rome (Pope) being Head Bishop of the world. There were other objections as well. See "Great Schism."
@David Russell Just answering your question.
As a "cradle" Episcopalian, thank you for doing this, it's an excellent sharing of who we are and why. Thanks.
I forgot to say that Fr. Vaughan's overview of the origin of the Church of England is one of the most interesting, thorough, and clear that I've ever heard (or read). And that's after going through Confirmation, Lay Reader training and licensing, EFM (Education for Ministry), and some legit seminary courses! Fr. Vaughan's account of how the early English monarchs influenced C of E polity, theology, and liturgy (quite separate from the Reformation in Europe) is so enlightening and helpful. I still respectfully but completely disagree with his view that ECUSA is Protestant (but he's entitled to his opinion).
You might enjoy reading _The Old Religion_ by JLC Dart. It's from about 1951, so the context is different from today, to say the least.
I appreciate how you approach and visit other denominations with an open mind to what the representatives have to say. In other words, you listen and simply allow viewers to explore them with you. Please, keep sharing! I'm Episcopalian but I have also viewed your other videos.
This is a genuinely wonderful video. That priest explained his church so well, and your interviewing was great. I am a member of the church of England in the UK and I learnt things!
Happy to hear that Philip!
In 1532, Henry VIII wanted his first marriage to Catherine of Aragon annulled. When Pope Clement VII declined to consent to Henry VIII demands, the king decided to separate the entire country of England from the Roman Catholic Church, and assumed supremacy over all religious matters. Pope Clement VII threatened the king with excommunication in March 1530, while Henry was having an adulterous relationship with his second wife to be, Anne Boleyn. By 1536, Henry VIII had broken with Rome, seized the Catholic Church's assets in England and declared the Church of England as the established church with himself as its head. Pope Paul III excommunicated Henry VIII over his divorce from Catherine of Aragon on 17th December 1538.
Clement, who had authority to annul the marriage (as Katherine had been married to Henry's brother, Arthur), failed to do so as he was effectively a prisoner of the Holy Roman Emperor whose aunt was Katherine of Aragon. This was all a matter of politics among all the parties, with Henry concerned for a male heir to avoid another dynastic war.
Henry VIII obtained a papal dispensation for him to marry Catherine, after his brother Arthur died. Therefore Henry's marriage was considered legitimate and bound by Church law. This is why he would not receive an annulment from the Catholic Church.
Dean Philip Saunders In fact, the pope was prevented from issuing an annulment for the reasons I’ve stated. There was no theological or canonical basis as it was a purely political decision. It was not unknown for the popes in this era to be bribed into granting requests and, in the case of Clement, bowing to the pressures of the Emperor who held him prisoner. There really is no basis to conclude this decision was based on a pious review of the request.
@@mikesobay Except this is Church law, that still exists today. Henry did not meet the stipulations decreed from the Church. He did of course use this opportunity as a political tool, to also seize the Catholic Church's land and money in England and declare himself head of a new church. He wasn't held prisoner, he broke Church law and wanted a free pass. Which he was not given.
@@deanphilipsaunders775 Henry was a devout catholic who had attacked continental reformers, receiving from the pope the title of Fidei Defensor. Additionally, as someone in his position, he would have had misstresses. His concern was for an heir. As for Clement, he could very well have granted an annulment and would likely have for the right price. But as I've stated, he certainly could not have done so as a captive of the queen's nephew who stood for the marriage. Yes, there are canonical issues, but this was largely and ultimately a political decision. You'll find this the conclusion of early modern historians of the period as well as my own.
I would just add that scripture is best understood with the aid of tradition, reason, and mysticism. The mystical/contemplative opens up the lived experience of the Holy Spirit transforming our natures- otherwise Christianity becomes legalistic, moralistic, or rationalistic in some reductive way. All else upholds lived contemplative salvation.
the rainbow colors means this is a lgbtq affirming Episcopal church.
All Episcopal churches are LGBTQ+ affirming 😊