I REALLY like this guy, and I REALLY like this series. Thanks for making these Matt, they are common conversation topics at my church in my friend group.
Great interview! I attended an episcopal church here in Richmond, Virginia. This church is very similar to ours, built in 1837. We are growing and have a lot of young families, and i believe it's because we focus on scripture and not on to tides of the world. ❤❤
I love that you’re covering more Episcopal churches! Your video on the Episcopal church in Vegas was actually one of the factors in me choosing to attend an Episcopal church myself!
Love this series...so great! Looking forward to Part 2 of this one. Confirmed Episcopalian last year...still learning and loving the Book of Common Prayer, Daily Office, weekly Eucharist, rhythms of the Christian calendar, the beauty of the Anglican Communion, working with others in charitable good works and being free to be relaxed and accepted - . Thanks for all you do, Matt!
Have you read the book "English Spirituality" by Thornton? Though it covers sooo many wonderful areas of spirituality, I would say the ultimate point of his book was what you just said!
New fav unlocked! But srsly tho...I'm enamored with people with this much knowledge and passion. Rev. Matt really hooked me with his answer to "what kind of church are you?" The conversation from then on filled me with more hope than I've had in a while. Thanks for this one, Matt. You both knocked it out of the park. And, fwiw, I'd watch a whole series of "Convos with Matt and Matt." Thanks for all you do!
Matt, this is probably the best interviewee you've had on your channel, ever. Rev Matt is so knowledgeable, eloquent, and delivered his answers with such charisma! You're a great interviewer for allowing him to speak extensively. I'm looking forward to watch your upcoming video with him, and I must say that I'd be happy to see you bring him back on the channel more as well! PS: As a long-time subscriber, this video and the ones you did at the ACNA church are my all-time favorites! There's just something about Anglicanism, isn't there?
I love the Daily Office. It used to be harder to do, flipping back and forth between different prayers, collects, and antiphons in the BCP, the psalter, and your bible. But now it's all in an app or on a website, sorted out for us. It's great.
Yes. But listen to the story again. The Catholic Priests were already there ministering to the sick. Doesn't negate nor minimize the greatness of that good and holy Christian man. Just something I picked up on.
When I was Protestant, I was no longer relevant after Studying The Bible. Evangelical charismatics I was surrounded by absolutely hated it towards the end of my Protestant Days. This priest is pretty much speaking my language. I May Be Orthodox Now, but I'm grateful for people like this man!! The charismatic megachurches wanna attract the world by being hip. That's why people like Mike Todd are so popular. In Contrast, people like Cliff Parks Junior have no following, because they don't try and be hip and cool. The Try To Be Real.
I love these videos. Nothing like learning about my sect and others through the fresh eyes of a someone who grew up with a completely different faith tradition. I also had no idea of the incredible history of a lot of these incredible structures in the US. Catholic btw.
I’m a native of the Shenandoah valley of VA. and in VA. we have many historic Episcopal churches. My favorite is the R. E. Lee memorial Episcopal church in Lexington VA. where Robert E. Lee attended after the war between the states when he lived in Lexington in a house he rented from the widow of Stonewall Jackson and served as the president of Washington college that was later named Washington and Lee university in his honor as was his parish
Thank you Matt for resisting all of the "us/them" impulses on our behalf. Categorizing is something we have to fight in ourselves wherever we hail from.
This was one of the best interviews you've done. That church is pretty cool!! I don't know that I understand their space or dogma any better but I could listen to you two talk for hours.
Hey Matt, Clint here, host of The Psychedelic Christian Podcast. Man I love these videos where you visit churches. As an Episcopalian, I enjoyed this one particularly. I shared this video in the show notes of my most recent podcast episode, and I also encouraged my listeners to check out your channel. I think this is a great thing you’re doing brother. 🙌
Great interview and glad to see what seems to be a biblically solid Episcopal church. A group I'm in, the Episcopal Fellowship for Renewal is working to restore and reform TEC.
That is a very noble task and I hope that you are successful. I am currently in RCIA in the Catholic church but some things have happened that have made me start to think that I may be more theologically anglo catholic than full on Catholic. The church in the video is only 30 mins away from me so I might check it out. The episcopal churches closer to me are a little off the rails.
I really really like this guy. I think he's got it right on so many fronts. Keeping our head in the Bible (and worship/prayer and the Sacraments for most of us) keeps us out of trouble. How many of the worst moments in historical and contemporary Chruch life could have been avoided with a little less politics and a little more Bible!
Matt, I've literally stumbled upon your You Tube channel and I am so impressed as well as happy that I am learning more about those things you are presenting. Thank you. I am now a follower. Mike in South Carolina
To Matt's question about what this particular tradition brings to the table of the Christian Church, I've heard the Anglican way described like this: "We're as catholic (universal, i.e.: reaching into the history of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church) as we can be without offending reformation principles." I like that vision, and I hold to it for my own idea of what it is to be and Anglican Christian.
@@larrywave The Protestant churches are like the successor of the Jewish synagogue. It's all about the written Word of God. Teaching and preaching. Liturgical Churches are often not as good as that (although we should be). They are also the successor of the Jewish Temple. We truly believe that communion is a Sacrifice. Not a repeat of the Sacrifice of Calvary but presenting that One Sacrifice in the hear and now. So....In a synagogue it can be more casual. But no Jewish Priest would dare drink coffee in the Holy Temple.
@matthewweston643 I think most Protestant responses would be... where is that commanded (in Scripture) that you can't do that? I'm not saying that to be flippant, but I think there is an issue of perspectival difference. Historic Protestants believe in the sacramental/sacrificial dimension of eucharistic worship. But we ALSO are concerned about the danger of superstition/legalism inherent in much of the Roman/Eastern practice surrounding these activities. So, in essence, the difference between Protestants and Roman Catholics isn't so much theological or liturgical (we agree on the 'what' of the mass).. But what the main error we see the other guilty of: superstitious legalism? Or irreverent desecration. There's an element of error on either side -- we would say a _Corpus Christi_ procession would be a horrible misuse of Christ's presence (tied in to a framework of meritorious indulgence) whereas our blindspot might be putting the blood of Christ in shotglasses (which is just as much an abuse of the presence).
@@vngelicath1580 Leviticus. Their are copious rules about the Temple and the Priesthood. Now....We are NOT under the Old Covenant. Yet, we read the Old Testament to understand the Faith. Do we not?
My Great Great Grandfather , Thomas W Bassford, was a soldier in the Rockingham Rifles, although due to his age, he never actually left Harrisonburg, VA before or during the Civil War. But, he was mightily impressed with General Kirby Smith, and named his youngest son after his favorite general: Kirby Smith Bassford.
This is excellent. I’m a gen X Episcopalian. I HIGHLY recommend the book, “The Nineties” by Chuck Klosterman. He echoes your thought about how the 90’s fits (or doesn’t fit) into today, not so much just the church but the entire culture. Great book. Speaking of books, may I ask what Bible is on your desk? Looks well read and solid.
Hey, Matt, I highly recommend a visit to St. Martin’s Chapel in Sturgis! I attended an All Soul’s service there last night and couldn’t believe this beautiful gem was right in my little town! There’s also a beautiful cemetery behind it. 😊
WOW!!! Cool to see an Episcopal criticize pandering to the culture. Especially his very fair critique of Clergy. On a completely different note. Im sure Orthodox and Catholics feel weird watching coffee drinking in the Temple. Just a different Ecclesiology.
I’m so happy I found you Matt! This is a fascinating series and I’m looking forward to watching all of them. I’m a “cradle” catholic but I’m very interested in other Christian denominations and how they worship. I found you through your recent conversation with redeemed zoomer (I love his little videos on different denominations.) Anyway thanks for all these wonderful tours and interviews! I’m learning so much.
Where have you been in my life before today. Loved this conversation/history / philosophy today!! Cradle Episcopalian now Anglican. I will follow you!! maryann Dallas Tx ❤❤
As an Episcopalian I'm going to do my duty to not agree with that Priest. I think having a church with only 15 people is fine in rural areas, sometimes there just isn't the population to have something bigger. Remember, ask 100 Episcopalians their opinion and you'll get 101 answers 😉
My wife and I attend two Episcopal churches, both about nine miles away. One has an average attendance of about 30 and the emphasis is on Sunday worship, although there is some community outreach, the other which has not had a rector in over ten years, has an average attendance of about 12, although a priest comes about once a month for a service with Eucharist, and the emphasis there is on small group studies and community projects
I truly feel that all Christian churches are part of the body of Christ and each has emphasis on important truths. (Which churches belong? I think I leave that up to the Ultimate Judge, namely Jesus.) Thank you so much for this series.
Very good video. Learning about Episcopal Church in America is something I wanted to know more about. It's beginnings in The Church of England is background history that helps explain things more clearly to make sense. Our Pastor here could have a great second occupation as a history teacher. This is even more interesting since it's a state and city with Spanish foundings. Spain and England weren't friends. As a former Evangelical who has left that brand behind forever I'm investigating where I'll land in The Church now. The Episcopalians are looking very attractive to me.
Thank your for this video. A couple years ago I joined the Episcopal church. What Father said about the making monks of people and the rhythm of daily life in the Anglican church is what drew me to it. The "concert church" entertainment was getting old and I longed for something more like my Methodist childhood again. The Parish I attend reminds me so much of this church in theory. It is growing and thriving. I see young people and young families moving to more traditional church. Also, The Episcopalians kind of set up different theological parishes within the dioceses. You will find in a community a high conservative parish, middle parish, and a quite liberal parish. All Episcopal with different slants. All for the glory of God.
Just so fulll of information at his fingertips. When the spiritual leaders appear to be pandering, it is crushing. Up seems to be down and down seems to be up. Crushing to the heart and mind is putting it lightly. Thank you for untangling things a bit. I can't fathom receiving communion and not believe the nicene creed.
in the council of nicaea, there was a representative of the british church. They did not hold to the exclusivism the catholic church later had, and saw each church leader leading valid arms of the God's Kingdom on Earth. Point is, celtic and anglican churches are as old as Eastern orthodox, roman catholic, ethiopian and Arminian churches
I don't think that is correct. The only area north of the Alps where a Bishop came form was Southern France. The other Latin-Western Church Bishops and priests were from Spain, Hosius, who presided at the Council as the agent of Pope Sylvester. 2 priests were sent as Papal legates and Bishops from the Latin Church in North Africa, 1 form Southern Italy (Calabria) and one from Dalmatia (modern Serbia which then was under the jurisdiction of Rome and used Latin).
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, I know very well what it's like for the world to not be my friend. But it wasn't Jesus', either. Never was, never will be. Stay strong brother!
You should visit a historic Norwegian Lutheran church in the Great Plains of Minnesota or North Dakota, there are some very beautiful churches in that tradition.
Hey Matt, would you ever consider crossing the border and visiting the United Church of Canada? It would be so awesome to see you conduct one of your amazing interviews here, and I think you would find our church quite unique and interesting! Sending love and blessings from up north ❤️
There is a small, truly beautiful Norman style Episcopal church in Laurel, Mississippi, St. John’s Episcopal Church. Instead of pointed arches (Gothic), the arches are rounded, as in a Roman viaduct. You should go visit!
Thank you for this entire series, Matt! Your curiosity and your Grace are a blessing! I was happy to see another Episcopal Church. My wife and I, while on vacation years ago, attended the church you visited in Vegas. I would like to invite you to visit our church, Christ Episcopal Church, Duanesburg, NY. The church was built in 1793 and stands largely unchanged. As added inducement, our priest was ordained in the Church of Ireland (that is, the Protestant church in communion with Canterbury.) Please feel free to reach out to me if your curiosity is piqued!
Another great episode, Matt! By the way, this reverend is honestly one of the nicest guests I've ever seen on your channel. He's the type of guy that I hope ends up winning the powerball lottery one day (mind you I'm not condoning gambling which is technically a sin, I just love seeing people being blessed in life 😊)
Historical correction. It was James Oglethorpe, not Francis Drake, who attacked the Castillo in 1740. Drake did capture St. Augustine, but before the Castillo.
I know they say you need to know where you have been ((history) to know where youre going (future), but I feel sometimes we focus too much on our past that it determines our present and we loose sight of the future.
Could you visit and REC Church please. Reformed Episcopal Church. Thank you in advance. Bishop Ray Suttons church is Dallas I believe is the like the head quarters.
I'm an ex-Evangelical Christian, now agnostic. I find church history, architecture, and denominational differences fascinating, and I still love watching your videos. There were definitely a lot of points in the video where I wanted to push a little more on why "doing church" like this would be better than other ways or why value tradition of the church so heavily / why not adapt the way of doing church while holding fast on doctrine to improve numbers? Of course, the video can only go on so long, especially when there are haircuts to be had lol. Can't wait to see you go more in depth after the solo tour!
If you ever are willing to go back in a direction of attending church, I fully welcome you back into faith as a Lutheran myself (don’t take communion unless you’re baptized though).
@@Sebman1113 Lmao, dw I got baptized before I could leave. And I do visit churches from time to time including my family's church. Didn't have a traumatic experience or anything, just don't believe it.
Hi Bagodrago. I just saw your comment. The question of "why does the method matter" is an argument I made for a couple of decades. What I found was that praying shapes believing. Holding on to formative worship gives us a 1 hr practice in the other 167 hours of life. As an evangelical I taught people that what we do flows from what we believe. Then I realized that mostly my experience is that we believe what we do - which might actually speak to why you are not believing. 🙂 Grace and peace, Fr. Matt, Trinity Parish
@@matthewmarino3501 Hi Pastor Matt, thank you for your insight. 🙂 I would have to agree with the notion that what we do is dictated (at least partially by) what we believe. That doesn't mean we always do things solely because of what we believe, but when our actions don't line up with our beliefs, we're driven to change or behavior to avoid that cognitive dissonance. The idea that belief is dictated by what we do (in my experience) is only the case if we manage to convince ourselves that we do believe it, or in many cases, someone else convinces us that we believe it. That cognitive dissonance I mentioned before is what pushed me to leave not only the church, but political groups and more radical atheist circles I was in after I left as well. Many apostates (like myself) continue attending church well after fully losing their faith, genuinely hoping to regain their belief again, to no avail. I even worked full time _at_ a church while I was in a faith crisis and prayed every day that it would help my doubts disappear, but they never did. Continuing to practice (in my experience) does not resolve doubts or help rekindle belief, all it does is make your church family less uncomfortable and causes you to suffer more, having to lie about your belief to everyone around you, including your family, and God. I hope as you continue to pastor to your congregation that you keep in mind that belief is not a choice. Faith, you could argue, _is_ a choice, but is a nearly impossible choice to make without the belief it stands on. As I said, our actions are dictated by our beliefs, and when they do not agree, our actions change to resolve that cognitive dissonance. You can only continue to lie to yourself about what you believe for so long before it eats you up inside. I hope you will be patient and loving to those in your congregation who do wish to leave or claim to have lost that belief, and I hope that you will have faith in God that they will make their way back without you needing to shame them to attend or scare them out of leaving. If you do truly have faith in God, pray for them and trust that he knows what he's doing. Best wishes 🙏
Trinity Episcopal Church is a going, growing church where Christ and His Word hold central attention. A faith that doesn’t change your life, won’t change your heart and hearts and lives are changed here. Trinity is also building a second campus at World Golf Village.
hi matt. i have an ecumenical upbringing. at least thats how it seems. i grew up in an episcopal church in catonsville, md. in the early 70s a priest became a Christian. of course Jesus changed catonsville. my parents and i were members. i then attended a lutheran school, and then a baptist school and an assembly of God centered school. i now attend an anglican church , which has its basis in the episcopal church. most of the members have episcopal history. st timothys was hated by the episcopal diaocese and now it is gone. church of the good Shepherd is now where i attend about 1/2 a mile from the old st timothys.
I loved the part about being monkhood of the believer, and what he said about being Anti-relavent. Daily ordered reading of Scripture, participation in the Church and Yearly through the Bible is an excellent thing to strive for and achieve. Honestly, I wish I were better at that. I've always started strong and bogged down somewhere. (Often falling prey to 'you missed a day/week, you're off schedule now, and give up). I think I'm doing better now, but I need to be careful not to fall into old patterns. On the anti-relevant/non relevant I fully agree: focus on the God, the teaching, sacrifice, resurrection, and return of Jesus and the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the Bible as the inspired Word of God. I think that what he described around the 24 minute mark and the earlier about focus on the word is a good indicator of why his church is thriving .
What the pastor was saying about a recovery of reading the Bible is a little colored because the readings are part of the Daily Office. Anglicanism is a tradition that has emphasized liturgical prayer, which includes reading the Scripture.
That man is a blessing to his church. The mug says "Your enthusiasm is scaring everyone". I'm guessing it was a gift that someone gave him.
that that comment is 👍. I see what ya did there
Hey Matt, haven't said it in a while but I still appreciate what you're doing. Keep it up!
Thanks, my friend.
It warms my heart to find out that you are interested in theology.
I REALLY like this guy, and I REALLY like this series. Thanks for making these Matt, they are common conversation topics at my church in my friend group.
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Daily in the Word
Weekly at the Table
Annually in the story of God
Love that!
Great interview! I attended an episcopal church here in Richmond, Virginia. This church is very similar to ours, built in 1837. We are growing and have a lot of young families, and i believe it's because we focus on scripture and not on to tides of the world. ❤❤
Hey, fellow Episcopal Richmonder
I love to hear that.
I love that you’re covering more Episcopal churches! Your video on the Episcopal church in Vegas was actually one of the factors in me choosing to attend an Episcopal church myself!
FINALLY MORE EPISCOPALIAN REPRESENTATION 🎉🎉🎉
This gentleman is a great representative of the Via Media. Thanks!
Watching you guys go all Dueling History Nerds was epic. Also, I need his coffee mug. Now.
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Love this series...so great! Looking forward to Part 2 of this one. Confirmed Episcopalian last year...still learning and loving the Book of Common Prayer, Daily Office, weekly Eucharist, rhythms of the Christian calendar, the beauty of the Anglican Communion, working with others in charitable good works and being free to be relaxed and accepted - . Thanks for all you do, Matt!
The Anglican tradition is, at its heart, very Benedictine even though many of us don't even realize it.
Have you read the book "English Spirituality" by Thornton? Though it covers sooo many wonderful areas of spirituality, I would say the ultimate point of his book was what you just said!
@@danielblakeney7575I totally didn’t just order this book after your reply lol 🫣
New fav unlocked! But srsly tho...I'm enamored with people with this much knowledge and passion. Rev. Matt really hooked me with his answer to "what kind of church are you?" The conversation from then on filled me with more hope than I've had in a while. Thanks for this one, Matt. You both knocked it out of the park. And, fwiw, I'd watch a whole series of "Convos with Matt and Matt." Thanks for all you do!
I loved this interview. The man is thoughtful and many times I felt as if he were speaking directly to me.
Why am I just now seeing this? Thank you Mr. Whitman! Fr. Matt is a blessing to our parish. This was an excellent episode.
Matt, this is probably the best interviewee you've had on your channel, ever. Rev Matt is so knowledgeable, eloquent, and delivered his answers with such charisma! You're a great interviewer for allowing him to speak extensively. I'm looking forward to watch your upcoming video with him, and I must say that I'd be happy to see you bring him back on the channel more as well!
PS: As a long-time subscriber, this video and the ones you did at the ACNA church are my all-time favorites! There's just something about Anglicanism, isn't there?
I loved the part about how the goal is for everyone to be able to live as a monk and pray the Bible every day.
I love the Daily Office. It used to be harder to do, flipping back and forth between different prayers, collects, and antiphons in the BCP, the psalter, and your bible. But now it's all in an app or on a website, sorted out for us. It's great.
Aslan is on the move in unexpected places. Great interview!
Wow, the story of the Episcopalian missionary coming ashore during the Yellow Fever epidemic. That's moving. Another great video, Matt!
Yes. But listen to the story again. The Catholic Priests were already there ministering to the sick.
Doesn't negate nor minimize the greatness of that good and holy Christian man.
Just something I picked up on.
This is a fantastic interview. I like the minister/priest.
Priest
When I was Protestant, I was no longer relevant after Studying The Bible. Evangelical charismatics I was surrounded by absolutely hated it towards the end of my Protestant Days. This priest is pretty much speaking my language. I May Be Orthodox Now, but I'm grateful for people like this man!! The charismatic megachurches wanna attract the world by being hip. That's why people like Mike Todd are so popular. In Contrast, people like Cliff Parks Junior have no following, because they don't try and be hip and cool. The Try To Be Real.
Loved this interview - one of my favs so far!
I love these videos. Nothing like learning about my sect and others through the fresh eyes of a someone who grew up with a completely different faith tradition. I also had no idea of the incredible history of a lot of these incredible structures in the US. Catholic btw.
I’m a native of the Shenandoah valley of VA. and in VA. we have many historic Episcopal churches. My favorite is the R. E. Lee memorial Episcopal church in Lexington VA. where Robert E. Lee attended after the war between the states when he lived in Lexington in a house he rented from the widow of Stonewall Jackson and served as the president of Washington college that was later named Washington and Lee university in his honor as was his parish
Lexington, VA is a great town, wish they would bring back their appreciation of its history
@@wesmorgan7729 I’m from Harrisonburg VA. myself
@@Matzah1982 nice, I'm in Richmond
Thank you Matt for resisting all of the "us/them" impulses on our behalf. Categorizing is something we have to fight in ourselves wherever we hail from.
Episcopalians have had red carpet in every Episcopalian church I've ever been in.
@@dalezegarelli5553 its a neat observation. I will keep my eye out to see if it is true.
@@dalezegarelli5553 I do. I find it very curious, actually.
@@dalezegarelli5553 breath friend. It's going to be ok.
Lol I have seen it alot ... not at my episcopal church. We have marble tiles no carpet 😊
@@juliachristine9412 Do you know if it has any liturgical significance? Like the pope's red shoes?
Wow! Matt, this is one of your best. Thank you.
This was one of the best interviews you've done. That church is pretty cool!! I don't know that I understand their space or dogma any better but I could listen to you two talk for hours.
Finally, a priest who speaks boldly and is unashamed of American history. We need more dudes like him in the Church
American anglo history pretty pathetic, American Spanish and native history is dope
Hey Matt,
Clint here, host of The Psychedelic Christian Podcast.
Man I love these videos where you visit churches. As an Episcopalian, I enjoyed this one particularly.
I shared this video in the show notes of my most recent podcast episode, and I also encouraged my listeners to check out your channel. I think this is a great thing you’re doing brother.
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Fantastic video. Really like this church and this pastor.
These videos are awesome! Always such a treat to see these. That Civil War story at the beginning was incredible. Really makes you think 🤔
Wow. This may be your most informative video ever.
Make sure you visit the St. Photios shrine of the Greek Orthodox church!
Great interview and glad to see what seems to be a biblically solid Episcopal church. A group I'm in, the Episcopal Fellowship for Renewal is working to restore and reform TEC.
That is a very noble task and I hope that you are successful. I am currently in RCIA in the Catholic church but some things have happened that have made me start to think that I may be more theologically anglo catholic than full on Catholic. The church in the video is only 30 mins away from me so I might check it out. The episcopal churches closer to me are a little off the rails.
I really really like this guy. I think he's got it right on so many fronts. Keeping our head in the Bible (and worship/prayer and the Sacraments for most of us) keeps us out of trouble.
How many of the worst moments in historical and contemporary Chruch life could have been avoided with a little less politics and a little more Bible!
I really enjoy the American historical aspect of this tour. I'm really inspired by this, one armed general.
Matt, I've literally stumbled upon your You Tube channel and I am so impressed as well as happy that I am learning more about those things you are presenting. Thank you. I am now a follower. Mike in South Carolina
To Matt's question about what this particular tradition brings to the table of the Christian Church, I've heard the Anglican way described like this: "We're as catholic (universal, i.e.: reaching into the history of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church) as we can be without offending reformation principles." I like that vision, and I hold to it for my own idea of what it is to be and Anglican Christian.
Episcopal Priest John Freeman Young wrote and published the english translation of Stille Nacht ( Silent Night), that is most frequently sung today..
Super excellent interview. Thank you very much.
So good. Thank you so much for doing these. I'm learning so much about Christianity and the denominations thru this.
I’m loving the history, Matt! Keep asking the good questions.
Absolutely wild to my Catholic brain to see your host drinking coffee inside his church.
Indeed
Interesting 🤔
@@larrywave The Protestant churches are like the successor of the Jewish synagogue. It's all about the written Word of God.
Teaching and preaching.
Liturgical Churches are often not as good as that (although we should be). They are also the successor of the Jewish Temple. We truly believe that communion is a Sacrifice. Not a repeat of the Sacrifice of Calvary but presenting that One Sacrifice in the hear and now.
So....In a synagogue it can be more casual.
But no Jewish Priest would dare drink coffee in the Holy Temple.
@matthewweston643 I think most Protestant responses would be... where is that commanded (in Scripture) that you can't do that?
I'm not saying that to be flippant, but I think there is an issue of perspectival difference. Historic Protestants believe in the sacramental/sacrificial dimension of eucharistic worship. But we ALSO are concerned about the danger of superstition/legalism inherent in much of the Roman/Eastern practice surrounding these activities.
So, in essence, the difference between Protestants and Roman Catholics isn't so much theological or liturgical (we agree on the 'what' of the mass).. But what the main error we see the other guilty of: superstitious legalism? Or irreverent desecration. There's an element of error on either side -- we would say a _Corpus Christi_ procession would be a horrible misuse of Christ's presence (tied in to a framework of meritorious indulgence) whereas our blindspot might be putting the blood of Christ in shotglasses (which is just as much an abuse of the presence).
@@vngelicath1580 Leviticus.
Their are copious rules about the Temple and the Priesthood.
Now....We are NOT under the Old Covenant.
Yet, we read the Old Testament to understand the Faith. Do we not?
My Great Great Grandfather , Thomas W Bassford, was a soldier in the Rockingham Rifles, although due to his age, he never actually left Harrisonburg, VA before or during the Civil War. But, he was mightily impressed with General Kirby Smith, and named his youngest son after his favorite general: Kirby Smith Bassford.
This is excellent. I’m a gen X Episcopalian. I HIGHLY recommend the book, “The Nineties” by Chuck Klosterman. He echoes your thought about how the 90’s fits (or doesn’t fit) into today, not so much just the church but the entire culture. Great book. Speaking of books, may I ask what Bible is on your desk? Looks well read and solid.
Hey matt if you ever make a trip through Paducah kentucky i'd love for you to come visit my little episcopal church!
Fun fact: Edmund Kirby-Smith is buried at the University of the South, which is the leading seminary of the Episcopal Church.
Hey, Matt, I highly recommend a visit to St. Martin’s Chapel in Sturgis! I attended an All Soul’s service there last night and couldn’t believe this beautiful gem was right in my little town! There’s also a beautiful cemetery behind it. 😊
Great interview - thanks.
I wish this church was closer. Ha. GREAT conversation to be on the wall for
WOW!!! Cool to see an Episcopal criticize pandering to the culture. Especially his very fair critique of Clergy.
On a completely different note. Im sure Orthodox and Catholics feel weird watching coffee drinking in the Temple.
Just a different Ecclesiology.
Yeah, Orthodox here. Also the leaning up against the railing of what I assume is the altar area behind him.
This was one of the best 👌
I’m so happy I found you Matt! This is a fascinating series and I’m looking forward to watching all of them. I’m a “cradle” catholic but I’m very interested in other Christian denominations and how they worship. I found you through your recent conversation with redeemed zoomer (I love his little videos on different denominations.) Anyway thanks for all these wonderful tours and interviews! I’m learning so much.
"It looks like silly pandering." Spot on!
Where have you been in my life before today. Loved this conversation/history / philosophy today!! Cradle Episcopalian now Anglican. I will follow you!! maryann Dallas Tx ❤❤
24:39 love what he just said! But unfortunately I don't believe the Episcopal churches for the most part given how liberal the denomination is.
I got a history lesson out of this video!! Like always this great video
I really enjoy your videos! Thanks for doing these! -Presbyterian (OPC)
As an Episcopalian I'm going to do my duty to not agree with that Priest.
I think having a church with only 15 people is fine in rural areas, sometimes there just isn't the population to have something bigger.
Remember, ask 100 Episcopalians their opinion and you'll get 101 answers 😉
Ha, I like that last sentence!
My wife and I attend two Episcopal churches, both about nine miles away. One has an average attendance of about 30 and the emphasis is on Sunday worship, although there is some community outreach, the other which has not had a rector in over ten years, has an average attendance of about 12, although a priest comes about once a month for a service with Eucharist, and the emphasis there is on small group studies and community projects
Two Matts, equally fearless!
I truly feel that all Christian churches are part of the body of Christ and each has emphasis on important truths. (Which churches belong? I think I leave that up to the Ultimate Judge, namely Jesus.) Thank you so much for this series.
Very good video. Learning about Episcopal Church in America is something I wanted to know more about. It's beginnings in The Church of England is background history that helps explain things more clearly to make sense. Our Pastor here could have a great second occupation as a history teacher. This is even more interesting since it's a state and city with Spanish foundings. Spain and England weren't friends. As a former Evangelical who has left that brand behind forever I'm investigating where I'll land in The Church now. The Episcopalians are looking very attractive to me.
This is definitely one of my favorite video visits. Smart, considered conversation. It could have been twice as long, easily.
Would love to see you visit a Quaker meeting house
Thank your for this video. A couple years ago I joined the Episcopal church. What Father said about the making monks of people and the rhythm of daily life in the Anglican church is what drew me to it. The "concert church" entertainment was getting old and I longed for something more like my Methodist childhood again. The Parish I attend reminds me so much of this church in theory. It is growing and thriving. I see young people and young families moving to more traditional church. Also, The Episcopalians kind of set up different theological parishes within the dioceses. You will find in a community a high conservative parish, middle parish, and a quite liberal parish. All Episcopal with different slants. All for the glory of God.
Just so fulll of information at his fingertips. When the spiritual leaders appear to be pandering, it is crushing. Up seems to be down and down seems to be up. Crushing to the heart and mind is putting it lightly. Thank you for untangling things a bit. I can't fathom receiving communion and not believe the nicene creed.
in the council of nicaea, there was a representative of the british church. They did not hold to the exclusivism the catholic church later had, and saw each church leader leading valid arms of the God's Kingdom on Earth. Point is, celtic and anglican churches are as old as Eastern orthodox, roman catholic, ethiopian and Arminian churches
I don't think that is correct. The only area north of the Alps where a Bishop came form was Southern France. The other Latin-Western Church Bishops and priests were from Spain, Hosius, who presided at the Council as the agent of Pope Sylvester. 2 priests were sent as Papal legates and Bishops from the Latin Church in North Africa, 1 form Southern Italy (Calabria) and one from Dalmatia (modern Serbia which then was under the jurisdiction of Rome and used Latin).
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, I know very well what it's like for the world to not be my friend. But it wasn't Jesus', either. Never was, never will be. Stay strong brother!
You belong to a cult that’s gospel is “another”. Please get out and find the true Jesus Christ. Satan and Jesus Christ are not brothers.
You should visit a historic Norwegian Lutheran church in the Great Plains of Minnesota or North Dakota, there are some very beautiful churches in that tradition.
Matt, have you ever reached out to interview anyone in the Church of God (Cleveland, TN assembly)?
This Is Excellent!
Love St. Augustine! Love Trinity Church. So cool that you are there.
Hey Matt, would you ever consider crossing the border and visiting the United Church of Canada? It would be so awesome to see you conduct one of your amazing interviews here, and I think you would find our church quite unique and interesting! Sending love and blessings from up north ❤️
I love your videos! I always learn a lot!
I’ve been hoping you’d go here !
Wasn't Elihu Root who wrote "Jesus Loves the Little Children"?
Oh my gosh, I just realized this is the same pastor who was recently on the news. So glad to know he’s okay after that vicious attack.
I should disambiguate the beginning: The Spanish settlers spoke Spanish. They were Roman Catholic so they surely worshipped in Latin. :-)
There is a small, truly beautiful Norman style Episcopal church in Laurel, Mississippi, St. John’s Episcopal Church. Instead of pointed arches (Gothic), the arches are rounded, as in a Roman viaduct. You should go visit!
Sir, please visit a Maronite Catholic Church, Syro Malabar Catholic Church and Syro Malankara Catholic Church
Hey Matt. There are some really great things going on in your backyard with Woyotan Lutheran there in north Rapid. I hope that you check it out.
Thank you for this entire series, Matt! Your curiosity and your Grace are a blessing!
I was happy to see another Episcopal Church. My wife and I, while on vacation years ago, attended the church you visited in Vegas.
I would like to invite you to visit our church, Christ Episcopal Church, Duanesburg, NY. The church was built in 1793 and stands largely unchanged. As added inducement, our priest was ordained in the Church of Ireland (that is, the Protestant church in communion with Canterbury.)
Please feel free to reach out to me if your curiosity is piqued!
The Anglican communion is based on reason and scriptures. So the tent is big. All are welcome!
Another great episode, Matt! By the way, this reverend is honestly one of the nicest guests I've ever seen on your channel. He's the type of guy that I hope ends up winning the powerball lottery one day (mind you I'm not condoning gambling which is technically a sin, I just love seeing people being blessed in life 😊)
I think you'd get along with the current Rector of St. Mary's E.C. in Daytona Beach, FL. He's very similar to that minister.
Historical correction. It was James Oglethorpe, not Francis Drake, who attacked the Castillo in 1740. Drake did capture St. Augustine, but before the Castillo.
Anglicanism on Matt Whitman's channel? Lets GOOOOOO
I know they say you need to know where you have been ((history) to know where youre going (future), but I feel sometimes we focus too much on our past that it determines our present and we loose sight of the future.
I love this series!!
Could you visit and REC Church please. Reformed Episcopal Church. Thank you in advance. Bishop Ray Suttons church is Dallas I believe is the like the head quarters.
Matt, you seemed as though you were really having a good time!
I'm an ex-Evangelical Christian, now agnostic. I find church history, architecture, and denominational differences fascinating, and I still love watching your videos. There were definitely a lot of points in the video where I wanted to push a little more on why "doing church" like this would be better than other ways or why value tradition of the church so heavily / why not adapt the way of doing church while holding fast on doctrine to improve numbers? Of course, the video can only go on so long, especially when there are haircuts to be had lol. Can't wait to see you go more in depth after the solo tour!
If you ever are willing to go back in a direction of attending church, I fully welcome you back into faith as a Lutheran myself (don’t take communion unless you’re baptized though).
@@Sebman1113 Lmao, dw I got baptized before I could leave. And I do visit churches from time to time including my family's church. Didn't have a traumatic experience or anything, just don't believe it.
Hi Bagodrago. I just saw your comment. The question of "why does the method matter" is an argument I made for a couple of decades. What I found was that praying shapes believing. Holding on to formative worship gives us a 1 hr practice in the other 167 hours of life. As an evangelical I taught people that what we do flows from what we believe. Then I realized that mostly my experience is that we believe what we do - which might actually speak to why you are not believing. 🙂 Grace and peace, Fr. Matt, Trinity Parish
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Hi Pastor Matt, thank you for your insight. 🙂
I would have to agree with the notion that what we do is dictated (at least partially by) what we believe. That doesn't mean we always do things solely because of what we believe, but when our actions don't line up with our beliefs, we're driven to change or behavior to avoid that cognitive dissonance.
The idea that belief is dictated by what we do (in my experience) is only the case if we manage to convince ourselves that we do believe it, or in many cases, someone else convinces us that we believe it. That cognitive dissonance I mentioned before is what pushed me to leave not only the church, but political groups and more radical atheist circles I was in after I left as well.
Many apostates (like myself) continue attending church well after fully losing their faith, genuinely hoping to regain their belief again, to no avail. I even worked full time _at_ a church while I was in a faith crisis and prayed every day that it would help my doubts disappear, but they never did. Continuing to practice (in my experience) does not resolve doubts or help rekindle belief, all it does is make your church family less uncomfortable and causes you to suffer more, having to lie about your belief to everyone around you, including your family, and God.
I hope as you continue to pastor to your congregation that you keep in mind that belief is not a choice. Faith, you could argue, _is_ a choice, but is a nearly impossible choice to make without the belief it stands on. As I said, our actions are dictated by our beliefs, and when they do not agree, our actions change to resolve that cognitive dissonance. You can only continue to lie to yourself about what you believe for so long before it eats you up inside.
I hope you will be patient and loving to those in your congregation who do wish to leave or claim to have lost that belief, and I hope that you will have faith in God that they will make their way back without you needing to shame them to attend or scare them out of leaving. If you do truly have faith in God, pray for them and trust that he knows what he's doing.
Best wishes 🙏
Lived there. An awesome city.
I like this guy
Trinity Episcopal Church is a going, growing church where Christ and His Word hold central attention. A faith that doesn’t change your life, won’t change your heart and hearts and lives are changed here. Trinity is also building a second campus at World Golf Village.
hi matt. i have an ecumenical upbringing. at least thats how it seems. i grew up in an episcopal church in catonsville, md. in the early 70s a priest became a Christian. of course Jesus changed catonsville. my parents and i were members. i then attended a lutheran school, and then a baptist school and an assembly of God centered school. i now attend an anglican church , which has its basis in the episcopal church. most of the members have episcopal history. st timothys was hated by the episcopal diaocese and now it is gone. church of the good Shepherd is now where i attend about 1/2 a mile from the old st timothys.
I loved the part about being monkhood of the believer, and what he said about being Anti-relavent.
Daily ordered reading of Scripture, participation in the Church and Yearly through the Bible is an excellent thing to strive for and achieve. Honestly, I wish I were better at that. I've always started strong and bogged down somewhere.
(Often falling prey to 'you missed a day/week, you're off schedule now, and give up). I think I'm doing better now, but I need to be careful not to fall into old patterns.
On the anti-relevant/non relevant I fully agree: focus on the God, the teaching, sacrifice, resurrection, and return of Jesus and the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the Bible as the inspired Word of God.
I think that what he described around the 24 minute mark and the earlier about focus on the word is a good indicator of why his church is thriving .
What the pastor was saying about a recovery of reading the Bible is a little colored because the readings are part of the Daily Office. Anglicanism is a tradition that has emphasized liturgical prayer, which includes reading the Scripture.
Is it true that the Episcopal Church became a liberal doctrine church? Did they stop being Christians?
Why does liberal mean not Christian?
@@JohnnyNada because that doctrine would contradict the Bible itself lol
@@JohnnyNada Liberal Christianity is not Christianity
Love this priests energy
Thats a great reason to go back to St. Augustine!