I got a Mandello S at end of the December 2022. Its taken me 3000 miles to just get my head round how good those brakes are. A BMW riding friend on a R1250 RS SE couldnt believe just how hard he had to work to keep up with the Mandello. As to the quick shifter I dont bother using it from 1-2-3 and back down (its a bit like the one on the R1250RS SE). Im 5ft6 and the standard seat if fine but a bit of stretch to get one foot flat on the ground. Ive got the lower comfort seat fitted and it great. So far longest not stop ride is 3 hours (I had to stop for petrol) and no butt pain. The little flaps work great at keep rain of top of legs ( 3 months riding in the shitty rainy weather we have had in the UK proves confirms that)
I agree and I'm a hard core ADV guy. I would never consider a bike like this but I can't help and find it sexy. It's amazing and has turned my eyes. It's full on. I want it in my life.
I must say I do like the design. It's definitely a great looking engine that I could just stare at and take in all the details. It's a piece of artwork in itself and I appreciate the work that went into it's design. I would love to ride it because I'm curious about the power delivery with it being shaft driven and all.
I’ve owned bunch of Guzzis, and just took delivery of my v100z Their history is awesome, their character is famous. Their quirkiness is why we love them. But i think the Aprilia influence is clear here. I got sick of being a human sail on ADV style sport bikes. As an old guy, i’m happy to see the sport touring segment making a small come back. Match made in heaven.
How is the Guzzi long term 3+ years reliability? And after sales service? Had an Aprilia, but the after sales was rubbish so instead of upgrading to a Tuono I went down the MT10 path. 40000kms (all touring, no commuting), and 5years later no regrets. Will consider an upgrade at 55 to 58 thousand kilometres. These Italian manufacturers know how to style a bike and this Mandello has peeked my interest.
More than 30 years ago, Yamaha introduced this style of motorcycle with the TDM model, which was quite misunderstood at the time. Now you can see that TDM was ahead of its time. Put some new technology and voila. Anyway, moto-guzzi made a spectacular motorcycle, Bravo.
Just bought mine and the seat is SUPER comfortable. Had a BMW r1250 which wasn't comfortable and quite boring. Seat height is great for me as well. I'm 65 and had a lot of bikes including a Tuono V4. This is the best overall package. You need the side bags which give the look of the bike balance. The aero wings take air off your lower body and hence keep you dryer in the rain. If you want a big ugly faring, get a Harley.
3:00 that's not a twisty, it is practically straight and as level as a pool table. Take any Guzzi around proper bends that have more lumps and bumps than a fairground ride to find out how they handle - like a cat on rails.
Gentlemen, for the record. Quickshifter is disabled in 1st and 2nd. You can see the icon orange in the screen. This bike is excellent. Just go for a demo ride and see for yourself. One clamp replacement and you are ready to go on a trip.
People still underestimate the know-how behind the might of Piaggio-Aprilia-Guzzi. We are talking some of the greatest Italian brands with insane history and production. This bike looks amazing.
Love today's video Jake. Love how effusive you get on this bike. Love the Zack Courts Giggle Factor shout out. Videos like this remind me of how great these 17 inch classic sport tourers can be!
I thought hard about getting one of these. In the end I decided to wait a few years for the bugs (if any) to be worked out. I did get a smokin' deal on a new, leftover V85TT. It's not in the same league performance wise, but it is neat in its own way.
I bought one! I’m still waiting to bring it home. I’ve been on 2-wheels since 1965 so this is really a finishing motorcycle for me. I enjoyed your video review of it!
After 1 month in the shop for a coolant leak and 6,000 miles, I'll say that it is a very enjoyable motorcycle! It feels like you're riding a very special machine! I'm 64 and I have a lot of riding experience and once I became used to this bike the Quickshifter works great and I truly love the smooth and comfortable ride from the Ohlins suspension. I believe the S model is worth the extra $$$$
It's video's like yours that helped me decide on buying my own V100S, I've only had it for two months but absolutely thrilled with mine, here in the Uk the weather has not been too hot so some heat from those lovely cylinders has been a bonus, it is so well engineered, I can see me living with this machine for a very long time. Thanks for your video Spite.
Yeah man dig into the manual. Quick shifter only works from 2nd up. 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 1st require clutch. If you ever notice the orange quick shifter light in the bottom right corner of the screen that’s to warn you you’re in 1st or 2nd.
I have put a few hundred miles on my Mandello s and I love the bike. While the quick shifter is not perfect, so far it has worked really well. The way I ride my other bikes I never use the auto blipper to down shift from 2nd to 1st. With the amount of torque this bike produces, when going into slower corners I just leave it in 2nd and it pulls no problem. I am 6'1" and I find the bike a little cramped, I have the high seat on order, with about 3/4 of an inch increase in seat height I think this will solve the comfort issue. I am extremely satisfied with this bike, no regrets about the purchase. Now to get through the 900 mile break in period, such a pain!
I just tested it yesterday. It reminds me alot of my vfr800. Supersmooth like a Honda with a bit of character. Not Viby. Feels like a Japanese bike more then Italian. Engine feels strong for 115hp. Very compact and small bike compared to my current 1000sx. Girls and people with shorter statue will love it's ergonomics.
I've had my eye on this bike since it was announced. I think it's a work of art. Great review, and pumped to see your channel doing so well. You deserve it!
Bruh, he thinks shafts have less loss than chains, lol, maybe try getting your advice from someone who understands the basics, not some children who got upset when someone else failed to sacrifice his dreams to take care of their daddy issues.
It is a great bike, I test rode it a few weeks ago and I have an S on order in Verde. It is supposed to arrive in early May. I've been riding BMW's for my last three bikes and my current 2019 R1250RT I'll be trading in on this bike. I loved the performance, handling and quality of this bike. I agree, seating position is a bit cramped and I'm not tall nor do I have long legs. To combat this I also ordered the tall seat which is 2CM's taller than the stock seat hoping that will improve space for me. Another reason I was looking at some new bikes is the cost of maintenance on BMW bikes, it has sky rocketed in the last year. Small service which is an oil and filter change and inspections is now at $460 and the major service which includes valve timing is at $1060. I pay less for my E450 MB wagon services than either of those for my BMW bike. I asked the MG dealer how much the services were for the V100 and I was happy to hear $425 for the small service and a much lower $605 for the large service, including valve timing so it will be cheaper than my BMW to maintain. I can't wait to get mine!
Great review! I love the look of this bike. It sorta kinda has similar lines of one of my first motorcycles, a 93 yamaha seca2. I've been interested in Guzzis for long time, but the closest dealer is 5 hours away.
Your comment on the brakes is right on the mark. I have a V7lll and had an Audace. The brakes on both of those are excellent. Far better than the Harleys I have owned but that isn't saying much but stronger than my '22 T120 Triumph. I will be looking at one of these when one shows up at my dealer but I don't think I will be buying any more bikes. If I were 10 years younger there would be one coming home with me.
Hey my guy, I really love your content. Really great reviews and I can feel your enthusiasm for riding which differentiates you from alot of the other channels out there that are only focused on the objective and technical-only side of things. Only thing is I would love if you could show metric informations on the screen for us outside of the US as well. Keep up your great work and greetings from Germany!
Thank you, I bought a V85TT Adventure, the final drive being a drive shaft and also the only motorcycle in its class with a shaft drive , with its price point coming outfitted with Panniers already it was a No-Brainer for Me. Then there’s the driving modes that put this bike at another level within its class. I already have four other motorcycles and plan on Building a HD Sportster Scrambler soon. Great Review.
I own a Guzzi GT 1200 V8 Norge. Incredible machine! I am addicted to it. No problems ever. Normal maintenence and it will go on forever.But if i ever have enough money.........
A shaft drive will lose more wheel horsepower (heavier parts to move) and as just mentioned also end up making the bike heavier and more expensive to build.
@@TurnerMillsDesign Yeah, chains bleed less than 5% of their power, while shafts lose about 25% of their power, that was a profoundly ignorant statement.
Shafts definitely lose more power but at the same time feel more direct in their power delivery. You can really notice it in downshifting. Maybe that's what he meant.
Love this bike and your content. Would be even better if you mentioned your height or leg inseam when talking about ergonomics of bikes(seating triangle and effectiveness of screens) ✌🏻
Thought it was the other way around. Less power loss with a chain than a shaft drive. I ride a FJR and my understanding was that chain drive was lighter and more powerful.
V100 is a bike for spirited mile munching from a time before tourers became either a sail barge or an oversized Dakar bike. Sounds odd, but the closest comparison bike I think of is the ‘90s VFR750. Not designed for the track, off road or living room alternative. Because of that it does everything on the road and street brilliantly. Forza Guzzi - that engine is a massive step and will keep the marque relevant for plenty time to come.
Yup, same here. On my R1200 GS (2016) I basically gave up using it between first and second gear. Both up and down. It just really didn’t want to change between those gears.
Seems really stable and smooth and planted on the highway for sure. Of course I'm not the one riding It but you can somewhat tell from the video footage.
The word you want is longitudinal. It is a longitudinal mounted VTwin. A BMW boxer is an opposed engine. A Subaru has an opposed engine. A Porsche has an opposed engine, the Guzzi had a longitudinal mounted VTwin. Longitudinal (I know Porsche, Subaru, etc have other configurations, don't at me about that spit)
To me having a shaft drive is invaluable… especially for motorcycle riders who are not as mechanically inclined and ride a lot. I wonder how much chain maintenance hinders the enjoyment of owning and riding a motorcycle… again thinking specifically for people who don’t enjoy and/or are not good at fixing stuff.
I driven for 1200 km in Europe in cold temperature , the flaps really make difference above 60 km / h ( like 35 mph ) when the ambient temperature is low , in summer , you can not feel the difference ... make sense even more , if it rains !
Great video! Im buying that bike soon! Think that if competition werkes makes a pipe that is up swept to allow full view of those killer rims and gives it the sound and power - we see perfection!
@@greg9076 no and no. Usually it takes 2 years for best options to materialize. Competition werkes said they want to see volume of sales go up to tackle project. Im waiting for 2024 colors and options to come out but pretty sure no changes except that 2023 models will get cheaper to move bikes. Lol
@@kevinbelter7934 thanks. If mine doesn’t arrive before end of this month, I may wait as well. I think there’s an aftermarket exhaust available but I don’t remember who makes it.
Nice, interesting & balanced review. I really like this bike but I would definitely go for the base model. The additionally cost for the extra features isn't worth it to me personally. I'm just not really interested in tech like the semi-active suspension & a shaft drive v-twin engine just doesn't suit a QS either imo. Not surprised at all it isn't working properly.
I've been riding V Stroms for the last 20 yrs. or so and once you get the fueling sorted, they can be sublime. But I would really love to check one of these gutzis out.
Love my Norge GT 8V, haven't had the good fortune to ride the Mandello, but imagine it's even better. With only a 30" inseam, I don't feel cramped but taller riders can adapt lowering foot pegs, albeit with some loss of ground clearance when leaned. In all, gotta love a Guzzi, loads of character!😁👍
I also own a Guzzi Norge. Best bike i ever had. Fast,beautifull,with the correct maintenance it Will go on forever. Runs on rails but it is an......Italian! You love them or hate them. But if i ever have enough money?
I love mottoguzzi, but my problem is parts and services. If I want a mechanic I'm driving from nw indiana to Wisconsin. If I want a dealer service I need to go to grand rapids mi.
@TimTurb0 yeah, inherited a 03 California and had to beg a custom shop guy to do a basic saftey inspection. He was only willing to touch it because it's a air cooled carburated v twin. I shudder trying to get help with any of the newer bikes.
Great video on what will probably be my next bike, but I must take issue with one comment you made. You stated that shaft drive is the most direct method of getting power to the rear wheel, but this isn't true in terms of the amount of power lost through the drivetrain. Chain drive is actually best in this regard, belt drive is second best, and shaft drive is least efficient.
I agree 100% with the 80% well executed and 20% kooky Italian way of designing or building (not bad, not wrong, just weird). Where I am in Canada, the dealers for Moto Guzzi are few and far between, with parts being hard to get, with long delays on shipped parts. For me that is make or break not being able to take it in and get it fixed, and instead having it off the road for months in prime riding weather due to backorders.
Very cool bike and you’re right about shaft drives being low maintenance but you’re completely wrong about them putting more power to the wheel, chains do that.
Thanks Spite. Ive been waiting for this review since the EIMC pre-launch in 2021. With your endorsement of the generally favourable early reviews, Im trading in my MG v7 and buying one!
Glad to see that power plant is good. I’m expecting this block in the new Moto Guzzi adv bikes. They basically had to make a water cooled power plant to meet emissions… thankfully it seems they did it right.
excellent review of this bike, one that I am super interested in. You seem quite tall like myself and not having sat on this bike yet, I found your comments about the rider triangle being quite tight confirming the one thing I was afraid of when I saw this bike, namely might it be uncomfortable in that regard. I have sat on the V85 and found that to be a very comfortable position. With this bike I know I would pick the higher seat option and hope that that is enough.
It’s rare someone getting into motorcycling would pick the Moto Guzzi as a first choice . After many years and a lot of motorcycles , I purchased a Ca EV . I have since stopped driving as my health doesn’t allow me to ride anymore . Knowing what I know and having experienced all kinds of motorcycles . If I was starting off again this Moto Guzzi would be my first pick !
Hey!. You mentioned the Ural~! Good work! I'd love to see a segment on one though. I know they have a lot of short-falls, especially with that side-car, but the side-car is why I actually bought one, brand new.
Greetings from the UK. Great honest review. I've got a Tracer 9GT and would have considered this if it had been available last year. Maybe you ought to try some British weather because reviewers over here have said the you can definitely tell the difference when the active aero is deployed! I think I need a test ride on one of these although luggage is extra and there are no heated grips as standard.
On the right tyres Guzzi are glued to wet english roads. You don't need no heated grips with sheepskin gloves. A size too big to trap air and a cooler spare pair.
I rode a V100 with a passenger, big enough, roomy for two, powerful enough engine, it was really great to drive. Two things bothered me, the turning circle that caused me to almost fall off twice and the insufficiently fixed front movable windscreen. Otherwise, a beautiful and well-made motorcycle that turns heads :) (my video is still in working)
From other reviewers , the aero is to keep the wind off your thighs and is noticeable in the cold. In warmer weather/climates its just a cool party trick 😄
“Who is the target audience for this bike?” Me Me Me Me Me!!! Just look at my primary bike. A Speed Twin 1200. Brutal machine mainly for one person. British, low slung, high finish, pedigree… and it Always make me smile with its looks and Sound. The V100 Mandello gives that feeling of a well engineered bike with high finish and it’s not an ADV but Still the V100 is for two people riding comfortably for longer journeys on tarmac. A quirky but Wonderful engine, Italian, wonderful sound and pedigree… Alas… the V100 is a bike that will keep me smiling even though the misses is riding pillion…
It's a good looking bike. Since the first teaser photos last year, I was really digging the looks. I saw it in person and it's a dam good looking bike. For the top end money, I honestly think I would go for the 1250RS or this one if I were in the market for a sport tourer. Agree with the Pan America being a great thing for HD. I have a Tiger 1200 Alpine edition and it's great, except for the stupid key fob that doesn't work as intended. I ride it anywhere I want and it's super comfortable.
If you are 5.9 or less rider you can replace the rear mono shock for yamaha R1 with fast and slow damping and rebound and reduce 2 cm seat height. Much beter than replacing the seat.
I own two Moto Guzzis (V85TT and 2004 V11) and have owned an Aprilia Caponord 1200 so I think I can say that you are riding Italian genius! The tech is virtually the same as the Caponord 1200, which is seriously undervalued and overlooked. I also own a BMW R1200GS, and the Caponord is a quicker handling bike. The V100 is benefiting from Aprilia’s genius and a century of MG experience and performance.
Gr8 review. Well rounded. Regarding the rider position - I reckon you feel so owing to your height (taller person). Perhaps the raised seat will do the job for you. I am 5'8 and test rode this bike yesterday. Position wise, it was perfect and comfy, especially compared to other sports tourers like the VFR1200F ZZR1400. I think I will end up agreering with you on the seat hardness w.r.t a long day in the saddle :)
Great video, Moto guzzi makes a quality product right down to the nuts and bolts. And I'd love to have the $15,000 to get a mandello. But I think the Suzuki Bandit 1200 S or the liquid cooled 1250 S would address most of the issues you brought up with the MV. Especially the seat to foot peg issue and the seat comfort. I got lucky and was able to pick up my 1200S for $1,500, 1/10 of the cost. I'm glad for Moto guzzi and guys with a 10x wallet. But I wish Suzuki still made a version of their Bandit, and I'm glad that guys with a smaller wallet can pick up a bike that can do much of what this one does for a 10th of the price..
*tism: shaft drives tend to be a little more lossy than chain drives, because the force transfer to the rotating mass has to change directions multiple times, causing losses. probably improved by the transverse mounting of the engine on the guzzi, but probably not improved over a chain drive. never driven a shaft bike, I bet the shaft does feel more "responsive" or "direct", but its not going to be more efficient.
Just enjoyed your test and it is pretty obvious this bike is different class . The competition...... well there is no competition. Don't worry about the ergos, you don't design a new power plant and just use it in one model. New stelvio or griso is on the way for big lads like you and me. Just been out all day in happy place v85tt.
Uh, of course has competition - a lot of it. The BMW R1250RS has 105 ft-lb of torque. That's like 30%more, and the BMW isn't event that powerful of a bike. KTM 1090 has 80 ft-lb. I could go on. The Moto Guzzi is nice, but not groundbreaking by any means.
@@TurnerMillsDesign exactly, but I think that the rs 1250 is aimed to a little different target, more sporty and more touring. The Mandello has something of a naked, I don't know, and I think it will be more nimble than the Bmw. Another big difference is the price 🙃
Regarding the comment on the V85TT, I concidered this when looking at a new adventure bike, but I went with the Pan Am, the V85TT has 80hp (maybe 86hp at the crank), the Pan Am has 80hp in Rain mode, and 139hp at the rear wheel (or 150hp at the crank), Pan Am wins!
Am I wrong to conclude that less than comfortable touring ergonomics, iffy transmission and sparse dealership distribution does not make a case for Mandello as an only bike?
Moto Guzzi looses less in it's shaft drive than others because the engine orientation means the direction of rotation only needs to make one 90 deg turn vs two in most shaft driven motorcycles. But, it's still not as efficient as a chain drive, which generally makes zero 90 deg turns. 99.9% sure. Now, if Guzzi wanted to use a chain, because of engine orientation, it WOULD have to make one 90 deg turn. So FOR Moto Guzzi V-Twins maybe the shaft is a tiny bit more efficient, but not for any traditional motor configuration.
I got a Mandello S at end of the December 2022. Its taken me 3000 miles to just get my head round how good those brakes are. A BMW riding friend on a R1250 RS SE couldnt believe just how hard he had to work to keep up with the Mandello. As to the quick shifter I dont bother using it from 1-2-3 and back down (its a bit like the one on the R1250RS SE). Im 5ft6 and the standard seat if fine but a bit of stretch to get one foot flat on the ground. Ive got the lower comfort seat fitted and it great. So far longest not stop ride is 3 hours (I had to stop for petrol) and no butt pain. The little flaps work great at keep rain of top of legs ( 3 months riding in the shitty rainy weather we have had in the UK proves confirms that)
As another Mandello S owner from the U.K. ( and it’s crap weather ) I would struggle to find fault with what has been said by Rumbling.
Just ordered a standard version, I’ll get in set up by Darren at MCT
I agree and I'm a hard core ADV guy. I would never consider a bike like this but I can't help and find it sexy. It's amazing and has turned my eyes. It's full on. I want it in my life.
I've been saying for years; Moto Guzzi the superior v-twin design.
Legitimately, yeah. There's a reason for the current one, but it can't be as good as Moto Guzzis reasons
I must say I do like the design. It's definitely a great looking engine that I could just stare at and take in all the details. It's a piece of artwork in itself and I appreciate the work that went into it's design. I would love to ride it because I'm curious about the power delivery with it being shaft driven and all.
Love the older 70-80-90's heavy flywheel 5 speed chuggers.
Even the 2000 6 speeders inc the Griso.
It might be good but it won't sell. It will be discontinued in 2 years. Just like all previous moto guzzis
@@Lumpia_In_Texas really?
Thanx for your industry insight.
I’ve owned bunch of Guzzis, and just took delivery of my v100z Their history is awesome, their character is famous. Their quirkiness is why we love them. But i think the Aprilia influence is clear here. I got sick of being a human sail on ADV style sport bikes. As an old guy, i’m happy to see the sport touring segment making a small come back. Match made in heaven.
Just bought a V85TT after wishing for a Guzzi for about 50 years.
How is the Guzzi long term 3+ years reliability?
And after sales service?
Had an Aprilia, but the after sales was rubbish so instead of upgrading to a Tuono I went down the MT10 path. 40000kms (all touring, no commuting), and 5years later no regrets.
Will consider an upgrade at 55 to 58 thousand kilometres. These Italian manufacturers know how to style a bike and this Mandello has peeked my interest.
More than 30 years ago, Yamaha introduced this style of motorcycle with the TDM model, which was quite misunderstood at the time. Now you can see that TDM was ahead of its time. Put some new technology and voila.
Anyway, moto-guzzi made a spectacular motorcycle, Bravo.
LOVE my MG V7 850. Oozes character and smile. You know you are riding a motorcycle.
I know Right, full of character. I'm in love too, but then again, I didn't mind to get a ride on this v100, looks amazingly good!
@@akiuliano Riding aGuzzi means riding a bike.Not an Japanse sowingmachine but a real engine under you. Thats what riding a bike is about.
Just bought mine and the seat is SUPER comfortable. Had a BMW r1250 which wasn't comfortable and quite boring. Seat height is great for me as well. I'm 65 and had a lot of bikes including a Tuono V4. This is the best overall package. You need the side bags which give the look of the bike balance. The aero wings take air off your lower body and hence keep you dryer in the rain. If you want a big ugly faring, get a Harley.
3:00 that's not a twisty, it is practically straight and as level as a pool table. Take any Guzzi around proper bends that have more lumps and bumps than a fairground ride to find out how they handle - like a cat on rails.
Gentlemen, for the record. Quickshifter is disabled in 1st and 2nd. You can see the icon orange in the screen. This bike is excellent. Just go for a demo ride and see for yourself. One clamp replacement and you are ready to go on a trip.
He’s just wanna be, you don’t expect him to read the instructions do you doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about
People still underestimate the know-how behind the might of Piaggio-Aprilia-Guzzi. We are talking some of the greatest Italian brands with insane history and production. This bike looks amazing.
Love today's video Jake. Love how effusive you get on this bike. Love the Zack Courts Giggle Factor shout out. Videos like this remind me of how great these 17 inch classic sport tourers can be!
I thought hard about getting one of these. In the end I decided to wait a few years for the bugs (if any) to be worked out. I did get a smokin' deal on a new, leftover V85TT. It's not in the same league performance wise, but it is neat in its own way.
I love that V85TT
I got one as wel. There's a lot to like about the v85tt. It's been a great bike for me.
I love mine!
Me too, Bro. Got a leftover brand new 2020 V85TT travel for 10,999. It is awesome.
V85tt is my next bike, currently on an NC700x. The alt-adventure bikes are where it’s at
I bought one!
I’m still waiting to bring it home.
I’ve been on 2-wheels since 1965 so this is really a finishing motorcycle for me.
I enjoyed your video review of it!
After 1 month in the shop for a coolant leak and 6,000 miles, I'll say that it is a very enjoyable motorcycle!
It feels like you're riding a very special machine! I'm 64 and I have a lot of riding experience and once I became used to this bike the Quickshifter works great and I truly love the smooth and comfortable ride from the Ohlins suspension. I believe the S model is worth the extra $$$$
It's video's like yours that helped me decide on buying my own V100S, I've only had it for two months but absolutely thrilled with mine, here in the Uk the weather has not been too hot so some heat from those lovely cylinders has been a bonus, it is so well engineered, I can see me living with this machine for a very long time. Thanks for your video Spite.
I’ve heard it has a lot of issues, you come across any?
@@SWTVENOM
I experienced a coolant leak and the bike had to be in the shop for 1 month. Otherwise, it's been an extremely enjoyable motorcycle!
Yeah man dig into the manual. Quick shifter only works from 2nd up. 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 1st require clutch. If you ever notice the orange quick shifter light in the bottom right corner of the screen that’s to warn you you’re in 1st or 2nd.
I have put a few hundred miles on my Mandello s and I love the bike. While the quick shifter is not perfect, so far it has worked really well. The way I ride my other bikes I never use the auto blipper to down shift from 2nd to 1st. With the amount of torque this bike produces, when going into slower corners I just leave it in 2nd and it pulls no problem. I am 6'1" and I find the bike a little cramped, I have the high seat on order, with about 3/4 of an inch increase in seat height I think this will solve the comfort issue. I am extremely satisfied with this bike, no regrets about the purchase. Now to get through the 900 mile break in period, such a pain!
We purchased the first one Bkackmans Cycle got in. We love it. My girl rides that, we also have a Multistrada 1200. Nice for long weekends away!
I just tested it yesterday. It reminds me alot of my vfr800. Supersmooth like a Honda with a bit of character. Not Viby. Feels like a Japanese bike more then Italian. Engine feels strong for 115hp. Very compact and small bike compared to my current 1000sx. Girls and people with shorter statue will love it's ergonomics.
which bike do you like better, the Guzzi or the 1000sx? just curious as I own the N1K
I've had my eye on this bike since it was announced. I think it's a work of art. Great review, and pumped to see your channel doing so well. You deserve it!
Bruh, he thinks shafts have less loss than chains, lol, maybe try getting your advice from someone who understands the basics, not some children who got upset when someone else failed to sacrifice his dreams to take care of their daddy issues.
There’s a lot to like about the new Mandello. Hoping the all new ADV Stelvio will hit EICMA on show this year. That will be one to talk about also.
This was the review I wanted to see, I’ll buy the base model!
It is a great bike, I test rode it a few weeks ago and I have an S on order in Verde. It is supposed to arrive in early May. I've been riding BMW's for my last three bikes and my current 2019 R1250RT I'll be trading in on this bike. I loved the performance, handling and quality of this bike. I agree, seating position is a bit cramped and I'm not tall nor do I have long legs. To combat this I also ordered the tall seat which is 2CM's taller than the stock seat hoping that will improve space for me. Another reason I was looking at some new bikes is the cost of maintenance on BMW bikes, it has sky rocketed in the last year. Small service which is an oil and filter change and inspections is now at $460 and the major service which includes valve timing is at $1060. I pay less for my E450 MB wagon services than either of those for my BMW bike. I asked the MG dealer how much the services were for the V100 and I was happy to hear $425 for the small service and a much lower $605 for the large service, including valve timing so it will be cheaper than my BMW to maintain. I can't wait to get mine!
6 months on, how's it been?
How many miles?
Any problems with the wings or screen?
I'm just trying to get a gauge on what they're like 👍
Cheers
Great review! I love the look of this bike. It sorta kinda has similar lines of one of my first motorcycles, a 93 yamaha seca2. I've been interested in Guzzis for long time, but the closest dealer is 5 hours away.
I really like this bike as well. Aesthetic wise and in overall too. Looks slick!
Your comment on the brakes is right on the mark. I have a V7lll and had an Audace. The brakes on both of those are excellent. Far better than the Harleys I have owned but that isn't saying much but stronger than my '22 T120 Triumph. I will be looking at one of these when one shows up at my dealer but I don't think I will be buying any more bikes. If I were 10 years younger there would be one coming home with me.
Bro I am happy when my V7 upshifts from 1st to 2nd at all :D It is just a Guzzi doing Guzzi things, can't run away from it.
Today I test road the same v100 you did at AF1. The quick shifter is fully broken in and was amazing up and down all gears.
Hey my guy, I really love your content. Really great reviews and I can feel your enthusiasm for riding which differentiates you from alot of the other channels out there that are only focused on the objective and technical-only side of things. Only thing is I would love if you could show metric informations on the screen for us outside of the US as well.
Keep up your great work and greetings from Germany!
I show NM for torque and KG for weight, maybe I forgot it in this one
The technical side of things might be boring, but it is correct, shafts lose ~25% of the power, while chains bleed
I look forward to seeing you review the V7 850! I hope it is coming soon!
We have V7 850cc here in UK, almost bought one. Beautiful bike in the flesh
Thank you, I bought a V85TT Adventure, the final drive being a drive shaft and also the only motorcycle in its class with a shaft drive , with its price point coming outfitted with Panniers already it was a No-Brainer for Me. Then there’s the driving modes that put this bike at another level within its class.
I already have four other motorcycles and plan on Building a HD Sportster Scrambler soon.
Great Review.
I have one and love it and I am happy about your review!
check the '17 Griso - the grumpy uncle of Mandello - 6:48
I own a Guzzi GT 1200 V8 Norge. Incredible machine! I am addicted to it. No problems ever. Normal maintenence and it will go on forever.But if i ever have enough money.........
Man, i love how you review these bikes. How you articulate yourself in general. Yes, my guy!
Great video. I pick mine up in 1 week. Thanks for the review.
A shaft drive will lose more wheel horsepower (heavier parts to move) and as just mentioned also end up making the bike heavier and more expensive to build.
Yup. I was surprised to hear him say the CHAIN was lossy. He's got that backwards. The shaft drive IS nice, but it's not more efficient than a chain.
@@TurnerMillsDesign Absolutely. What does MotoGP use? Last time I checked they weren’t shaft driven…. That really says it all.
@@TurnerMillsDesign Yeah, chains bleed less than 5% of their power, while shafts lose about 25% of their power, that was a profoundly ignorant statement.
Shafts definitely lose more power but at the same time feel more direct in their power delivery. You can really notice it in downshifting. Maybe that's what he meant.
@@kurthvonneguth "Less elasticity in the driveline" is the way you should be describing this, and you're correct.
Love this bike and your content. Would be even better if you mentioned your height or leg inseam when talking about ergonomics of bikes(seating triangle and effectiveness of screens) ✌🏻
Protip: Shafts have a lot more loss than chains, this guy doesn't understand the basics.
@@hlaw2830lol you really wanted someone to care about this
Thought it was the other way around. Less power loss with a chain than a shaft drive. I ride a FJR and my understanding was that chain drive was lighter and more powerful.
V100 is a bike for spirited mile munching from a time before tourers became either a sail barge or an oversized Dakar bike. Sounds odd, but the closest comparison bike I think of is the ‘90s VFR750. Not designed for the track, off road or living room alternative. Because of that it does everything on the road and street brilliantly. Forza Guzzi - that engine is a massive step and will keep the marque relevant for plenty time to come.
The quickshifter sounds typical of those found on big twins. I had exactly the same with the BMWs.
Yup, same here. On my R1200 GS (2016) I basically gave up using it between first and second gear. Both up and down. It just really didn’t want to change between those gears.
Seems really stable and smooth and planted on the highway for sure. Of course I'm not the one riding It but you can somewhat tell from the video footage.
Great engine, great style, so different from any other bike. I like it a lot sooo fascinating.
Thank you for that review! DUC 950 hyper watching
How tall are you? Trying to gauge the seat height stuff you mentioned.
LOVE IT.
It looks like nothing else!
Between the V85 and the V100 I'm set for life.
The word you want is longitudinal. It is a longitudinal mounted VTwin. A BMW boxer is an opposed engine. A Subaru has an opposed engine. A Porsche has an opposed engine, the Guzzi had a longitudinal mounted VTwin. Longitudinal
(I know Porsche, Subaru, etc have other configurations, don't at me about that spit)
To me having a shaft drive is invaluable… especially for motorcycle riders who are not as mechanically inclined and ride a lot. I wonder how much chain maintenance hinders the enjoyment of owning and riding a motorcycle… again thinking specifically for people who don’t enjoy and/or are not good at fixing stuff.
My motto guzzi needed about 1500 miles to loosen up a bit. It was hard to neutral for quite awhile
Run some Liqui Moly next time. Neutral will emerge nicely and shifting will improve.
@@SoulDaddy33 that is what I use, but I'm 50k miles past that lol
I driven for 1200 km in Europe in cold temperature , the flaps really make difference above 60 km / h ( like 35 mph ) when the ambient temperature is low , in summer , you can not feel the difference ... make sense even more , if it rains !
Seen one the other day, it's absolutely gorgeous irl.
Great video! Im buying that bike soon! Think that if competition werkes makes a pipe that is up swept to allow full view of those killer rims and gives it the sound and power - we see perfection!
Hi, I have one on order. Did you get yours and did you get an aftermarket exhaust?
@@greg9076 no and no. Usually it takes 2 years for best options to materialize. Competition werkes said they want to see volume of sales go up to tackle project.
Im waiting for 2024 colors and options to come out but pretty sure no changes except that 2023 models will get cheaper to move bikes. Lol
@@kevinbelter7934 thanks. If mine doesn’t arrive before end of this month, I may wait as well. I think there’s an aftermarket exhaust available but I don’t remember who makes it.
Keep up the good work! You’re more likable than your past employer and I prefer your format.
You prefer feelings to facts? Lol, you should be looking for a hug box, not a motorcycle.
@@hlaw2830 it’s motorcycle reviews, it’s all subjective, which is feelings. I can look up facts (specs). That OK with you, pumpkin?
@@joshuaspop8865 No, your feelings do not define driveline loss, princess.
@@hlaw2830 then how about you not frequent this channel if you don’t like it, troll?
I’m a really short OG that has been riding since the 70’s that puts big miles on. This was built for me.
Yeesh, the Italian made such an elegant motorcycle. Love it, i'll get one next year.
Excellent review Spite, really enjoyed it. I’ll definitely get a demo ride organised.
Nice, interesting & balanced review. I really like this bike but I would definitely go for the base model. The additionally cost for the extra features isn't worth it to me personally. I'm just not really interested in tech like the semi-active suspension & a shaft drive v-twin engine just doesn't suit a QS either imo. Not surprised at all it isn't working properly.
I've been riding V Stroms for the last 20 yrs. or so and once you get the fueling sorted, they can be sublime. But I would really love to check one of these gutzis out.
Yeah, I'd go the shortest seat. Thanks for mentioning that too.
Love my Norge GT 8V, haven't had the good fortune to ride the Mandello, but imagine it's even better. With only a 30" inseam, I don't feel cramped but taller riders can adapt lowering foot pegs, albeit with some loss of ground clearance when leaned. In all, gotta love a Guzzi, loads of character!😁👍
I also own a Guzzi Norge. Best bike i ever had. Fast,beautifull,with the correct maintenance it Will go on forever. Runs on rails but it is an......Italian!
You love them or hate them. But if i ever have enough money?
I love mottoguzzi, but my problem is parts and services. If I want a mechanic I'm driving from nw indiana to Wisconsin. If I want a dealer service I need to go to grand rapids mi.
I live in NE IN, thanks for this info for sure lol
@TimTurb0 yeah, inherited a 03 California and had to beg a custom shop guy to do a basic saftey inspection. He was only willing to touch it because it's a air cooled carburated v twin. I shudder trying to get help with any of the newer bikes.
Nice review! 😊
Fastest rider I ever met rode a guzzi grizo. He wasn’t on the fastest bike, but he was definitely king
Great video on what will probably be my next bike, but I must take issue with one comment you made. You stated that shaft drive is the most direct method of getting power to the rear wheel, but this isn't true in terms of the amount of power lost through the drivetrain. Chain drive is actually best in this regard, belt drive is second best, and shaft drive is least efficient.
Fabulous bike,what a surprise from Guzzi,love it
To be fair many quick shifters on various bikes struggle with the 1st to 2nd shift up or down.
I agree 100% with the 80% well executed and 20% kooky Italian way of designing or building (not bad, not wrong, just weird). Where I am in Canada, the dealers for Moto Guzzi are few and far between, with parts being hard to get, with long delays on shipped parts. For me that is make or break not being able to take it in and get it fixed, and instead having it off the road for months in prime riding weather due to backorders.
Still waiting for the first ones into New Zealand. a mate has one on order, supposed to be here late May, can't wait to see one in the flesh!!!! 😎
Its a thing of beauty!I would like to have one but will probably go with a FJR 1300.Gotta have a shaft on whatever bike i buy.
Definitely the best bike for 2023.
Very cool bike and you’re right about shaft drives being low maintenance but you’re completely wrong about them putting more power to the wheel, chains do that.
Thanks Spite. Ive been waiting for this review since the EIMC pre-launch in 2021. With your endorsement of the generally favourable early reviews, Im trading in my MG v7 and buying one!
I love sports tourers, i had a vfr and an r1100rs but the days that you can ride them fast in the UK are long gone.😢
Glad to see that power plant is good. I’m expecting this block in the new Moto Guzzi adv bikes. They basically had to make a water cooled power plant to meet emissions… thankfully it seems they did it right.
excellent review of this bike, one that I am super interested in. You seem quite tall like myself and not having sat on this bike yet, I found your comments about the rider triangle being quite tight confirming the one thing I was afraid of when I saw this bike, namely might it be uncomfortable in that regard. I have sat on the V85 and found that to be a very comfortable position. With this bike I know I would pick the higher seat option and hope that that is enough.
Its a privilege and eye opener and almost a Zen like religeous experience to ride a Guzzi down to the factory at Lake Como...
Something I plan to do and on my bucket list
It’s rare someone getting into motorcycling would pick the Moto Guzzi as a first choice . After many years and a lot of motorcycles , I purchased a Ca EV . I have since stopped driving as my health doesn’t allow me to ride anymore . Knowing what I know and having experienced all kinds of motorcycles . If I was starting off again this Moto Guzzi would be my first pick !
Hey!. You mentioned the Ural~! Good work!
I'd love to see a segment on one though. I know they have a lot of short-falls, especially with that side-car, but the side-car is why I actually bought one, brand new.
Buy the way Spite, your videos have the best music selections!
Greetings from the UK. Great honest review. I've got a Tracer 9GT and would have considered this if it had been available last year. Maybe you ought to try some British weather because reviewers over here have said the you can definitely tell the difference when the active aero is deployed! I think I need a test ride on one of these although luggage is extra and there are no heated grips as standard.
On the right tyres Guzzi are glued to wet english roads. You don't need no heated grips with sheepskin gloves. A size too big to trap air and a cooler spare pair.
I rode a V100 with a passenger, big enough, roomy for two, powerful enough engine, it was really great to drive. Two things bothered me, the turning circle that caused me to almost fall off twice and the insufficiently fixed front movable windscreen. Otherwise, a beautiful and well-made motorcycle that turns heads :) (my video is still in working)
Pan Am vs. Guzzi shoot out?
I would love to set that up
I know which one wins the comfort battle.
From other reviewers , the aero is to keep the wind off your thighs and is noticeable in the cold. In warmer weather/climates its just a cool party trick 😄
I could see that being the case
“Who is the target audience for this bike?”
Me Me Me Me Me!!!
Just look at my primary bike. A Speed Twin 1200. Brutal machine mainly for one person. British, low slung, high finish, pedigree… and it Always make me smile with its looks and Sound.
The V100 Mandello gives that feeling of a well engineered bike with high finish and it’s not an ADV but Still the V100 is for two people riding comfortably for longer journeys on tarmac. A quirky but Wonderful engine, Italian, wonderful sound and pedigree…
Alas… the V100 is a bike that will keep me smiling even though the misses is riding pillion…
It's a good looking bike. Since the first teaser photos last year, I was really digging the looks. I saw it in person and it's a dam good looking bike. For the top end money, I honestly think I would go for the 1250RS or this one if I were in the market for a sport tourer. Agree with the Pan America being a great thing for HD. I have a Tiger 1200 Alpine edition and it's great, except for the stupid key fob that doesn't work as intended. I ride it anywhere I want and it's super comfortable.
If you are 5.9 or less rider you can replace the rear mono shock for yamaha R1 with fast and slow damping and rebound and reduce 2 cm seat height. Much beter than replacing the seat.
I LOVE this bike design. ❤
I own two Moto Guzzis (V85TT and 2004 V11) and have owned an Aprilia Caponord 1200 so I think I can say that you are riding Italian genius! The tech is virtually the same as the Caponord 1200, which is seriously undervalued and overlooked. I also own a BMW R1200GS, and the Caponord is a quicker handling bike. The V100 is benefiting from Aprilia’s genius and a century of MG experience and performance.
I really wish they use this platform and bring back the griso
Gr8 review. Well rounded. Regarding the rider position - I reckon you feel so owing to your height (taller person). Perhaps the raised seat will do the job for you. I am 5'8 and test rode this bike yesterday. Position wise, it was perfect and comfy, especially compared to other sports tourers like the VFR1200F ZZR1400. I think I will end up agreering with you on the seat hardness w.r.t a long day in the saddle :)
I'd love to put one of these in my garage. I'd park a Scrambler Icon next to it, invest in an espresso machine an live the biscotti boy life.
Great video, Moto guzzi makes a quality product right down to the nuts and bolts. And I'd love to have the $15,000 to get a mandello. But I think the Suzuki Bandit 1200 S or the liquid cooled 1250 S would address most of the issues you brought up with the MV. Especially the seat to foot peg issue and the seat comfort. I got lucky and was able to pick up my 1200S for $1,500, 1/10 of the cost. I'm glad for Moto guzzi and guys with a 10x wallet. But I wish Suzuki still made a version of their Bandit, and I'm glad that guys with a smaller wallet can pick up a bike that can do much of what this one does for a 10th of the price..
The bandits are amazing, the dentists can have their mv, I'd take a bandit over it any day.
For the younger rider?
Thank you! I’m 53! 🙂
*tism:
shaft drives tend to be a little more lossy than chain drives, because the force transfer to the rotating mass has to change directions multiple times, causing losses.
probably improved by the transverse mounting of the engine on the guzzi, but probably not improved over a chain drive.
never driven a shaft bike, I bet the shaft does feel more "responsive" or "direct", but its not going to be more efficient.
Just enjoyed your test and it is pretty obvious this bike is different class . The competition...... well there is no competition. Don't worry about the ergos, you don't design a new power plant and just use it in one model. New stelvio or griso is on the way for big lads like you and me. Just been out all day in happy place v85tt.
Uh, of course has competition - a lot of it. The BMW R1250RS has 105 ft-lb of torque. That's like 30%more, and the BMW isn't event that powerful of a bike. KTM 1090 has 80 ft-lb. I could go on. The Moto Guzzi is nice, but not groundbreaking by any means.
@@TurnerMillsDesign yes your right never thought of that... good point well made
@@TurnerMillsDesign KTM is now pay for play on all the extras like the quick shifter and heated anything.
@@TurnerMillsDesign exactly, but I think that the rs 1250 is aimed to a little different target, more sporty and more touring.
The Mandello has something of a naked, I don't know, and I think it will be more nimble than the Bmw.
Another big difference is the price 🙃
A new Griso…..I certainly hope so
Re the quickshifter, on my MV I never use mine going to or from first. First is a big gear that needs a little modulation…
Regarding the comment on the V85TT, I concidered this when looking at a new adventure bike, but I went with the Pan Am, the V85TT has 80hp (maybe 86hp at the crank), the Pan Am has 80hp in Rain mode, and 139hp at the rear wheel (or 150hp at the crank), Pan Am wins!
I’m excited to see if MG has plans on putting this engine in their adv bike? Surely that’s in the works.
Test ride tomorrow which I'll be uploading. Desperately want to like it. Don't like quickshifters so wouldn't be getting the S.. Wish me luck.
Am I wrong to conclude that less than comfortable touring ergonomics, iffy transmission and sparse dealership distribution does not make a case for Mandello as an only bike?
Moto Guzzi looses less in it's shaft drive than others because the engine orientation means the direction of rotation only needs to make one 90 deg turn vs two in most shaft driven motorcycles. But, it's still not as efficient as a chain drive, which generally makes zero 90 deg turns. 99.9% sure. Now, if Guzzi wanted to use a chain, because of engine orientation, it WOULD have to make one 90 deg turn. So FOR Moto Guzzi V-Twins maybe the shaft is a tiny bit more efficient, but not for any traditional motor configuration.