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I don't know, Spite. I ride a 2013 which I bought three seasons ago. (I live in Canada.) I am at 41,000 clicks (about 26,000 miles) and it costs me next to nothing to ride. $100 for engine oil once a year (9,000 miles). Transmission oil I did once. Will change the driveshaft oil next spring. $25 each. My mechanic adjusts the valves in one hour ($100) (all prices in Canadian dollars). It does not leak nor burn oil. I get 50 miles to the gallon (imperial). I know because I fill up every 250 km (about 150 miles) and I always put in roughly 14.5 litres. (I did the imp. gallon math.) As for the side-stand, I now struggle to find it on my buddies' bikes, when we switch. I just finished my 48th season of riding motorcycles. A foot of snow everywhere. I've had parallel twins (Triumphs), a Sportster (brand new XLCR in '78), in-line fours, a two-stroke square four (RG500 Gamma), a triple, etc. The Griso is, by a country mile, far more satisfying to ride than any of the other ones ever were. It's not perfect (that too long wheelbase is what I regret most), but hey, it's so goddamn beautiful, and it fills me with so many pleasurable sensations every time I ride it. It has soul. One last thing, I ride rather sportily and I rev it to 7,500 rpm regularly and never think twice about it. Anyway, I love it and cannot imagine not riding it anymore. I hope the Sportster brings you as much. Cheers!
@@papercut1987 especially if you don't bother with overpriced service. It's easy. Parts are bit of a problem even if live in Europe but since you can plan your maintenance this is not really an issue.
@@m4ci3j88 True, getting parts for Griso is a prob. I order them from AF1 and shipped to Canada. I do most works myself on my bikes and cars. and I have 2 mechanics that I trust to work on my 2 wheels or 4 wheels when heavy tooling are needed. Good quality accessories are rare here, I almost have to order everything from Europe.
"if i can make the sportster handle like this......" Just kind of funny that you want to trade in the Guzzi on a Harley just to modify the Harley to ride like the Guzzi
That misses the point of buying the Sportster. You can make a sportster into anything. The Griso is pretty much done as is. It's nice, but I like projects.
Mental delusions. Let him crash face on with reality. We all were young and naive once upon a time but time has a way changing how we think and act. 👌😁
@GIGABACHI how is it delusional to trade in a bike that is expensive to keep running and hard to find parts for when you can get a harley that has a very similar riding experience, saves money on maintenance, and you can get parts anywhere.
I've got a Breva, and love it. I don't have any maintenance issues, there's several independent Guzzi-loving shops here around Chicago and Milwaukee. I'm looking at adding a V85TT just for the joy of not having anything to do with chain maintenance.
2021 moto guzzi v7 owner... great bike with 8k miles and no problems yet."knock on wood". Highly recommend to anyone as a starter bike. We have a great dealer in Richmond VA. female owned 👏
I wouldn't sell it to just change it to another bike. These grisos are quite rare so in good condition the price will go only higher. Young timer material.
I test rode a Griso 1100 back then and still is one of my all time favourite bikes. You are 100% correct about the side stand, which is something MotoGuzzi keeps on failing to design properly - however otherwise great motorcycles they make. 700 for a full service there in USA? This sucks! I live in Greece and the regular services for air-cooled MotoGuzzis are like 1/3 - 1/4 of this price. A real problem nowadays could be its reportedly high fuel consumption. So you want to make a Sportster handling as good as this? Well... I honestly wish you good luck with that! I am personally praying for a new V100 MotoGuzzi Griso to be released in the near future!
I think you'll regret it. A lot. Little has the character of a Guzzi, and the Griso is the most refined of them all. If you can, get it on a dyno and drop the yokes down the forks to 4 rings showing... it'll transform your opinion. The clutch should last 60k miles and I really don't know why you need a valve service every time. Every 10k miles is fine. In fact its overkill.
I wish that there had been more content to make from the Griso, as I love the Guzzis so much. Totally understand though that it's not really a content machine. Maybe someday when you're rich and don't have to worry at all about the costs of motorcycles or storage space, would you get another one?
The one time I strayed away from Japanese motorcycles was when I bought a Husqvarna built in Italy by Cagiva. After pushing it up the road multiple times I went back to Japanese bikes and have never been tempted by any Italian motorcycle again. "I have never had a problem with my Italian >insert bike
I have a 2021 Sportster Forty-Eight I bought bone stock. I wanted to make it my Sportster. I upgraded the rear shocks, 13” vs 11” Legend Revos, put a Corbin saddle on her, did a stage one on her. I love this bike!
Some people want basic transportation. Something that will take them from point A to B reliably and safely. One reason Toyota’s are so popular. Others want any ride to be an adventure journey where you ride something special that pulls on your heart strings just looking at her! European bikes are more exclusive, made with European artistic flair. BMW, MB, Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, Maserati, Aston Martin make bikes like Ducati, Moto Guzzi, MV AGusta, KTM, BMW, Aprilia, Husky, Triump, and others continue that special Soul in a bike. Some people like trucks, some love sports cars. I think it’s worth the price of exclusivity. They are worth the extra oil change or service visit. They’re your baby. Lol
Guzzi's are pretty cool, but I get it. The heart wants what it wants. Despite my feelings about Harley's overall (generally VERY negative) I absolutely love classic Sportsters. Theyre incredibly common and dont stand out at all, but they are also a fantastic ownership experience - theres just *so much* you can do with them, they're a modders dream. Owned an XLH1000 Ironhead Sportster and absolutely *adored* it. Total POS of a bike, no doubt, but most of that was part of the charm.
If I had to buy something like that I would go for an Indian. Still classic vibes with modern feeling. I can get over with engine but since you don't have many safety features on bike, brakes and suspension are crucial.
The main reason I bought Guzzi is ease of valve adjustment and shaft drive. You won't find it in many bikes now. Even if you happen to have shaft drive you probably have to tear half of motorcycle to get to valves. What is more sad, shaft drive is now luxurious feature on many brands, mostly top end bmw and triumph. I can't say anything about reliability yet but I am optimistic about it. 😊
I think the premise is wrong (for some). We all aspire to be Rossi (in our hearts), but on public roads, the daily gauntlet of surviving real world conditions, not the manicured groomed and brushed surface of a race track, were happy to ride like Griffin. Most Guzzi’s have the torque in such a useable range to make the rider feel special. Yes many bikes will blow the doors off a Guzzi, but few will match the feeling. Your gripe about oil - you know what the level is supposed to be, and you can easily do that while it’s cold. Service costs I think was dealer related because for those of us who do it ourselves, Guzzi is a fraction of others and super easy to do too.
Owning a Moto Guzzi in N America is for mechanically savvy riders. They are simple to work on and very reliable. I've owned 3 and currently ride a 2019 V7III.
I got my 2013 the same week you got this one. They’ll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. Slowly collecting extra parts off eBay for invincibility purposes. I also have 3 Guzzis. You’re welcome to come to PA if ever you want to ride one again
I think you've just had too many bikes and initially bad designs (like bike going sideways when you get on the throttle) seem like "interesting quirks" to you, since they don't manifest on other bikes. That's why I am not sure if one can actually trust a reviewer. To me Spite's most hated versys 650 turned out to be a lot more fun to spin and ride fast than KTM 790. Yeah, it's not special or "hooligan" like 790, but the way it delivers power just seemed much more appealing, more predictable. To me that's not a bad thing
I keep thinking I want to sell mine, but then, I take it out for a ride. You are right about the side stand. Please stop comparing it to a Harley, compare it to BMW if you need to. I have an R1150RT, and the Griso feels like half an RT.
I also sold my Griso here in Austin a few months ago, that I bought from AF1. Same edition. Looked great, but just wasn't enjoying it as much as I thought I would. I wish it were lighter like my V9 Roamer was.
Bought my first Guzzi in 1980 a 74 850-T and have owned many more over the years,right now 20 V85TT and a 74 Eldorado the Griso still calls to me. You should fine a well sorted Centauro my all time favorite Guzzi I have owned.
I love my V85. I just wish it had a bit more power is all. But my god the handling is phenomenal. And it loves to be revved out. But I also own a Harley and I love it just as much. Used to hate on Harleys, but now having owned one I love them. I’d love to build out my street bob with a 128 kit from S&S.
I've had both and still have the XR Harley, the Guzzi will run rings around the XR stock but add some suspension upgrade and ride height and there about equal. The one thing I hated about the Guzzi was the gearbox they are terrible and I've had 2 V11s also both terrible, never had a falsely on the Harley it's been bulletproof.
18:10 Thats that Willie G VP of Styling, making an HD look great broken down on the side of the road. REMBRAMBER BRUTHERS FUNCTION FOLLPWS FORUM GOBBLES
6:12 that's very true, Last Tuesday night I did some motorcycle hooliganism in the city 3 of us, a new Versys a Souped up mt-03 and me on my trusty steed V7III only by the traffic light launch I could keep up for the rest Huffing and puffing behind😂
As a guzzi owner I can say reliability isn't the problem, The service is, I love my california, but God the absolute pain of trying to find a mechanic to help when I get in over my head.
The Aprilia Shiver has the same issue with requiring resistors for LED indicators. In fact the dash on the Moto Guzzi looks suspiciously similar to my Shiver. Luckily, a previous owner has taken care of the resistor installation so I don't need to worry about it.
Resistors are an old school hack for sorting out flashers. Go to any auto parts store and get a replacement flasher relay listed for LED use. They've been a common thing for about a decade now, but the internet insists on still telling people they need resistors.
@@shinyribs2178 Did you even watch the video? Spite's Moto Guzzi & my Aprilia Shiver don't have a flasher relay. You have to use resistors to install LED indicators.
As a multiple time owner of Ducatis, Moto Guzzis and 3 BMWs... I can say without reservation that European bikes are pricey, but generally reliable and of quite high quality. One of the reasons you Americans have reliability issues with European machines (cars too) is your aversion to paying for routine maintenance. Most of you never even bother to read your owners manuals, where maintenance schedules are laid out. Like a valve adjustment on a Ducati that runs over $1,000 every 10K miles...miss one and risk the possibility of serious damage? Europeans all seem to have no problem paying for required service. So many North American bikers I have met will only take their bikes in when it's broken. However, my next intended ride for next summer will be the new Honda CB1000 SP Hornet. As Honda isn't selling them here in North America, I'll be flying to Europe to pick one up and do a Grand Tour on it.
Hmmm... based on some of these comments... I think some of the fan base is going to miss the Guzzi. Not a bad thing, but kind of funny to see. IDC one way or the other because IMO Italian motorcycles are for looking at, not riding... but I digress... I also generally don't like HD... but of all the HDs... the sportster 1200 is the one I think I would have a soft spot for ( and maybe the PAN-AM too). I think it will be cool to see what you do with one.
I'll kinda miss the griso. That being said I get it. Main reason I got rid of my Monster 1200s is because of the Desmo service. Ducati of Austin gave me 4 different quotes when I was trying to verify before going down to do it. I eventually just sold it. Maintenance costs are a deal breaker on some bikes. Now I look at a 821 that my wife has knowing it will need a Desmo in around 2000 miles. Problem is she will not get rid of the bike. So I am stuck with the maintenance. What was the brothrrr bike in the quadlock ad?
Envy for the next owner? That’s like being jealous of my ex girlfriend’s new boyfriend. If I loved her that much you woulda never got a ride in the first place! 😉
Harley had to lobby the govt to get heavy tarriffs put on Japanese bikes because Harley was dying. And that's after they got bought and sold by a bowling alley company. The only thing keeping Harley alive is selling a lifestyle that guys with inferiority complexes can buy in to feel like a real man on a real bike. Harley's poor reliability reputation is only trumped by BMW, who somehow charges even more for their bikes that break down more than Harley's. Any argument that Harley is successful at producing motorcycles is a weak one.
One of my biggest regrets in my 60 years is selling my guzzi 850 T-3....I was young and.... not so wise..... that bike was bullet proof from a teenager treating it like a full on crotch rocket and banging it foot pegs to rubber foot pegs that... did not fold up if I remember correctly 🤔 anyway, I 😢am... seriously upset with myself for selling it. Although I don't think I would have brought it with me to Vietnam and now Thailand..... I am looking to get the new Stelvio here at my local dealership in Beautiful Gorgeous Bangkok Thailand 🇹🇭. Love your vids.... You might be like me at 60 and regret selling this.... although this bike i never rode.... but... I really wish I still had mine.... the riding here in Thailand is awesome and Vietnam is amazing.... fun... especially on a street legalized WR 450..😅 any way... oh yea.. Arrow exhaust full systems you can't go wrong with in my opinion. Thank you again for your enjoyable and educational Content ✨🙏🌴🌴😊
Considering the relatively low payout a dealer is going to offer on a Griso, I cant see the numbers making sense. Its a naked muscle bike, yeah over 90 its not the best tool for the job. Complains about the top speed, but doesnt want a sportbike. Complains about cruiser handling, but doesn't want to keep the bike that has the has the styling and handling. They make gel and dual density foam seats for the Guzzi from third party saddle makers. Honestly, all the "problems" with the bike are manufactured justifications for moving on from it. There are a million Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, Harley etc. They only made so many of the Griso and with EU emissions restrictions they're not going to make them like the Griso again. The Griso is probably worth hanging onto but hopefully Spite enjoys whatever he gets after this bike. $700 for the service described isnt that bad when you consider thats like a 10,000 mile service. Youll do that every couple of years unless you're riding all thee time and exclusively on that bike. Trying to make comparisons between the Sportster and the Griso...ugh. They're vastly different. Gonna start seeing Spite on TH-cam shorts shouting at people on fun bikes telling them not to pass him. "SLOW DOWN AND SAY IT TO MY FACE BRUTHUR"
First off, I didn't complain about the top speed. I said it's not fast. I have a Vmax, Tuono, 800NK, 919, and CBR600F4i for speed. Second, I didn't complain about the handling, I just said it was a little slower than I initially thought when I reviewed it. See other bikes for good handling ones. Also it's not a 10000 mile service it's 6000 and I hit that in a year.
Ye, understand how you feel..... I also, decided to sell my V85TT.....But NO-one bought it ! 🤣🤣 And F...K am I glad, no one did !!! I advertised it in the beginning of summer 24, then I tried to "swap" it .... Received some - out of the donkeys'' ass offers..... In the end - I've realized that I enjoy riding it MORE than many other bikes I had, or tried in the resent past. So IF Guzzi get the finger out of their rear end, and install a FUEL GAUGE on the V7 ( not only a Sport ) - I will, probably buy one as well ☝☝😀 Yes, these bikes DAMAND allot of attention - like spoiled pretty girlfriends, but they give MORE back !
Moto Guzzi really had something but it fizzled out so fast before anyone really knew about them. I like the Audace, Eldorado, & the Griso 1200. But nothing was available for hundreds of miles from my house. Moto Guzzi has no backing whatsoever in America = no bikes.
No is the clear answer. Thats why Triumph builds many of their best bikes in Thailand. The cylinder sleeves/jugs and piston/rings are Mahle performance products on my '22 Speed Twin. Forged 12.1 to 1 compression ratio pistons. These are not cheap parts or assemblies. I'm confident the bike is not only well equipped. But has been thouroughly tested and developed to a standand that few brands can even hope to achieve. Certainly KTM or Moto Cheezy could learn some things here. Being more expensive or cheaper doesn't seem to help them very much? If you offered me one of each for my Bonneville. I'd firmly decline.
Back quite a few years ago, one of my neighbors had a Moto guzzi bought it brand new. Had oil smoke from the get-go on the dealer said oh that will clear up when it breaks in. It didn't clear up and when they pulled the motor down they found out it didn't have any oil rings in it. Union sabotage.
As an owner of the 4 valve Moto Guzzi Daytona and numerous other Italian bikes I think you are not approaching this bike from the right way, it's not a sport bike it a roadster an older gentlemans sporty-ish ride for taking in the scenery at a good clip but it's not ever going to be knee down fun. it's longer wheel base makes it super stable through fast high speed sweepers if set up correctly. Also you are about twice the size and weight of the average italian rider. Complaining about the seat is daft take it to an upholsterer to get what you want. complaining that the bike is not engineered to look better on the sidestand is just symptomatic of todays image obsessed people, who cares how it sits to be photographed. Guzzi'sd are for big miles long rides not just running to get a coffee three minutes away , any air cooled Vtwin from Ducati aprillia etc is the same they need to warm up . also most Guzzi guys do their own service. Trading a Griso for a harley ? I'm out see ya.
Spite.. I know what you're doing. You are going for the new Griso with the new engine.. I bet you've got some inside information so just spit it out, come on now..
Damn all that problem for servicing such a fun bike 😢. Plus the footpeg position is a major turnoff too. I can understand why you are selling it. How about checking out the Triumph Speed twin 1200 or the Kawasaki Z900RS instead of the Harley Davidson bike ? Just a quick suggestion from my side but i understand where you are coming from now ; you want some comfort and easy to service bike 😅 which the Harley Davidson must be.
I am sorry, but if you can’t do the valves in 30 minutes blindfolded you need to turn in you motorcycle license. I did my Guzzi service, plus the gear drive hula in 3 hours. I thought you were a real biker, the only reason the HD boys won’t kick you out is they are desperate.
An American thats not using an Iphone asking me to get my mind out of the gutter, I aint going to do it by the way what is in that box that you keep on you when you are riding?
@ Well I have always liked your style and you’re a real biker. Yes I am 64 but I own a 21 HD Tri Glide a Goat E-Bike and just bought a new Benilli TNT 135. Yes I am an enthusiast. Some get it! Some don’t!
Dude the resistors come with a quick little clamp terminal, so no need to cut an splice. An the whole video shows that you only been riding a few years. The constant complaining over simple task is abysmal
Bigger motor, a bit more power, but better? That's debatable. The Evo/XL and Twin Cams are the best aircooled motors H - D made in the last 20 years. It's still raw and feels right to me. The M8 is too smooth for my liking.
power rating sportser 1200 70 hp egzacly 67 hp crank vs 95 hp this griso isint right tech soec say 108 hp at crank for griso 95 hp is at the whell spoerter 1200 is 60 hp at whell so next time check techspec closer and comapre aple to aple not aple to elephant 👌🏻😉☕️
@ yep 👌🏻well depend on point of view in regard to absolute numbers itself yep 👌🏻 in regard to power vs accelerstion level nope it give from this point of view advantage to griso as avg roder will suspect smaller diffrences in accelerstion cos whell hp is „ stronger ” hp 😉👌🏻
Orphan brands of motorcycles with no real dealer support are for people with time and money and easily impressed friends. Guzzi put all the weight up high and they wheelie funny. Sorry, thanks. Thanks.
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I don't know, Spite. I ride a 2013 which I bought three seasons ago. (I live in Canada.) I am at 41,000 clicks (about 26,000 miles) and it costs me next to nothing to ride. $100 for engine oil once a year (9,000 miles). Transmission oil I did once. Will change the driveshaft oil next spring. $25 each. My mechanic adjusts the valves in one hour ($100) (all prices in Canadian dollars). It does not leak nor burn oil. I get 50 miles to the gallon (imperial). I know because I fill up every 250 km (about 150 miles) and I always put in roughly 14.5 litres. (I did the imp. gallon math.)
As for the side-stand, I now struggle to find it on my buddies' bikes, when we switch.
I just finished my 48th season of riding motorcycles. A foot of snow everywhere. I've had parallel twins (Triumphs), a Sportster (brand new XLCR in '78), in-line fours, a two-stroke square four (RG500 Gamma), a triple, etc. The Griso is, by a country mile, far more satisfying to ride than any of the other ones ever were.
It's not perfect (that too long wheelbase is what I regret most), but hey, it's so goddamn beautiful, and it fills me with so many pleasurable sensations every time I ride it. It has soul. One last thing, I ride rather sportily and I rev it to 7,500 rpm regularly and never think twice about it.
Anyway, I love it and cannot imagine not riding it anymore. I hope the Sportster brings you as much. Cheers!
2014 Griso from Montreal ! 😄 Yearly maintenance on this bike is really easy indeed.
@@papercut1987 especially if you don't bother with overpriced service. It's easy. Parts are bit of a problem even if live in Europe but since you can plan your maintenance this is not really an issue.
@@m4ci3j88 True, getting parts for Griso is a prob. I order them from AF1 and shipped to Canada. I do most works myself on my bikes and cars. and I have 2 mechanics that I trust to work on my 2 wheels or 4 wheels when heavy tooling are needed.
Good quality accessories are rare here, I almost have to order everything from Europe.
"if i can make the sportster handle like this......" Just kind of funny that you want to trade in the Guzzi on a Harley just to modify the Harley to ride like the Guzzi
That misses the point of buying the Sportster. You can make a sportster into anything. The Griso is pretty much done as is. It's nice, but I like projects.
@@spitescorner oh I definitely understand the appeal of modifying a sportster, it was just the way you phrased it in the video I found quite funny
Mental delusions. Let him crash face on with reality.
We all were young and naive once upon a time but time has a way changing how we think and act. 👌😁
@@spitescorner unless you are completely revisiting the sportster's chassis/frame, it'll be difficult.
But I'd love to see you try.
@GIGABACHI how is it delusional to trade in a bike that is expensive to keep running and hard to find parts for when you can get a harley that has a very similar riding experience, saves money on maintenance, and you can get parts anywhere.
The weakest part of Italian Motorcycles has always been the supply chain.
AF1 has always had everything I have needed for my Griso and my gen 2 Tuono.
No problem, It’s a shaft drive,
@@TJ-oi5qe There's more to a bike than the final drive
I've got a Breva, and love it. I don't have any maintenance issues, there's several independent Guzzi-loving shops here around Chicago and Milwaukee. I'm looking at adding a V85TT just for the joy of not having anything to do with chain maintenance.
My 2023 v7 850 has been flawless. The valve adjustment was braindead easy and took no time at all. No shims to mess with.
Even with shims in new V100 comparing to almost any other modern bike it is like 1/3 of time.
If I'm selling my Griso, it's because I'm buying a V85tt 😂
Great bike, I have only funds for one bike so I have chosen V100 but v85tt would be second.
@@m4ci3j88 Oh yes, Mandello is one sexy machine.
2021 moto guzzi v7 owner... great bike with 8k miles and no problems yet."knock on wood". Highly recommend to anyone as a starter bike.
We have a great dealer in Richmond VA. female owned 👏
Quad lock is an Australian invention by motorbike enthusiasts. Glad the rest of the world get to experience the products.
Bark busters too
Don't sell the guzzi my heart cant take it 😢 unless you're buying another guzzi 👀
He‘s not only getting rid of the Griso, he‘s trading it for a goddamn Sportster smh
@@lateknights1 I read your comment and went “ugh” out loud. So disappointing.
I wouldn't sell it to just change it to another bike. These grisos are quite rare so in good condition the price will go only higher. Young timer material.
I test rode a Griso 1100 back then and still is one of my all time favourite bikes. You are 100% correct about the side stand, which is something MotoGuzzi keeps on failing to design properly - however otherwise great motorcycles they make. 700 for a full service there in USA? This sucks! I live in Greece and the regular services for air-cooled MotoGuzzis are like 1/3 - 1/4 of this price.
A real problem nowadays could be its reportedly high fuel consumption.
So you want to make a Sportster handling as good as this? Well... I honestly wish you good luck with that!
I am personally praying for a new V100 MotoGuzzi Griso to be released in the near future!
Wish I lived closer, I’d go buy it.
I think you'll regret it. A lot. Little has the character of a Guzzi, and the Griso is the most refined of them all.
If you can, get it on a dyno and drop the yokes down the forks to 4 rings showing... it'll transform your opinion.
The clutch should last 60k miles and I really don't know why you need a valve service every time. Every 10k miles is fine. In fact its overkill.
Maybe, but I haven't been riding it so no point keeping it.
Thank you Spite! I'm stoked you're building a sportster, I can't wait to see what you do! Make that thing handle and I'm all in :)
Nice review on the guzzi
I wish that there had been more content to make from the Griso, as I love the Guzzis so much. Totally understand though that it's not really a content machine. Maybe someday when you're rich and don't have to worry at all about the costs of motorcycles or storage space, would you get another one?
The one time I strayed away from Japanese motorcycles was when I bought a Husqvarna built in Italy by Cagiva. After pushing it up the road multiple times I went back to Japanese bikes and have never been tempted by any Italian motorcycle again. "I have never had a problem with my Italian >insert bike
I have a 2021 Sportster Forty-Eight I bought bone stock. I wanted to make it my Sportster.
I upgraded the rear shocks, 13” vs 11” Legend Revos, put a Corbin saddle on her, did a stage one on her.
I love this bike!
Some people want basic transportation. Something that will take them from point A to B reliably and safely. One reason Toyota’s are so popular. Others want any ride to be an adventure journey where you ride something special that pulls on your heart strings just looking at her! European bikes are more exclusive, made with European artistic flair. BMW, MB, Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, Maserati, Aston Martin make bikes like Ducati, Moto Guzzi, MV AGusta, KTM, BMW, Aprilia, Husky, Triump, and others continue that special
Soul in a bike. Some people like trucks, some love sports cars. I think it’s worth the price of exclusivity. They are worth the extra oil change or service visit. They’re your baby. Lol
Guzzi's are pretty cool, but I get it. The heart wants what it wants.
Despite my feelings about Harley's overall (generally VERY negative) I absolutely love classic Sportsters. Theyre incredibly common and dont stand out at all, but they are also a fantastic ownership experience - theres just *so much* you can do with them, they're a modders dream.
Owned an XLH1000 Ironhead Sportster and absolutely *adored* it. Total POS of a bike, no doubt, but most of that was part of the charm.
If I had to buy something like that I would go for an Indian. Still classic vibes with modern feeling. I can get over with engine but since you don't have many safety features on bike, brakes and suspension are crucial.
You will regret selling the Griso. No other bike has the feel of a guzzi.
They feel very alive. Also love how easy they are to work on.
You could say the same about a lot of bikes. It's time to let it go.
@@spitescorner no just the Guzzi has the feeling. No other bike really mimics or recreates that.
Same thing my last girlfriend’s friend said when I broke up with her. We both went out to have pretty good lives anyway.
@TheBlueDogMan totally different situation. I enjoy other bikes sure. But none have the sensations and feelings of the Guzzi. I know from experience.
32 / 5,000
Addio, mia bella motocicletta
Ah, Griso, we hardly knew you.
A friend of mine had a 79 Guzzi. I enjoyed riding it from time to time.
The main reason I bought Guzzi is ease of valve adjustment and shaft drive. You won't find it in many bikes now. Even if you happen to have shaft drive you probably have to tear half of motorcycle to get to valves. What is more sad, shaft drive is now luxurious feature on many brands, mostly top end bmw and triumph. I can't say anything about reliability yet but I am optimistic about it. 😊
Exactly my reasons for buying a 2016 V7 Special. Great bike!
I've got a 1998 Guzzi 1100 Sport, and the side to side motion when you blip the throttle is hilarious
I think the premise is wrong (for some). We all aspire to be Rossi (in our hearts), but on public roads, the daily gauntlet of surviving real world conditions, not the manicured groomed and brushed surface of a race track, were happy to ride like Griffin. Most Guzzi’s have the torque in such a useable range to make the rider feel special. Yes many bikes will blow the doors off a Guzzi, but few will match the feeling.
Your gripe about oil - you know what the level is supposed to be, and you can easily do that while it’s cold. Service costs I think was dealer related because for those of us who do it ourselves, Guzzi is a fraction of others and super easy to do too.
Owning a Moto Guzzi in N America is for mechanically savvy riders. They are simple to work on and very reliable. I've owned 3 and currently ride a 2019 V7III.
I got my 2013 the same week you got this one. They’ll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. Slowly collecting extra parts off eBay for invincibility purposes. I also have 3 Guzzis. You’re welcome to come to PA if ever you want to ride one again
- in the fullness of time, you'll regret selling, guaranteed
You can live long enough to regret everything. Sometimes you just gotta jump.
I think you've just had too many bikes and initially bad designs (like bike going sideways when you get on the throttle) seem like "interesting quirks" to you, since they don't manifest on other bikes.
That's why I am not sure if one can actually trust a reviewer. To me Spite's most hated versys 650 turned out to be a lot more fun to spin and ride fast than KTM 790. Yeah, it's not special or "hooligan" like 790, but the way it delivers power just seemed much more appealing, more predictable. To me that's not a bad thing
I keep thinking I want to sell mine, but then, I take it out for a ride. You are right about the side stand. Please stop comparing it to a Harley, compare it to BMW if you need to. I have an R1150RT, and the Griso feels like half an RT.
Isn't the V7 the Italian Sportster?
V7 - 883
Griso - Sportser 1200
The v7 smokes the 883 and is more on par with 1200 sportster in reality @@jayluper9523
Isn't the Griso similar to the XR1200?
@@shravanav993 they did compete kind of
@@shravanav993 I was thinking of the 883
Dont usually comment but really unique bike and nice review! Never seen one with a sideways v-twin like this.
I also sold my Griso here in Austin a few months ago, that I bought from AF1. Same edition. Looked great, but just wasn't enjoying it as much as I thought I would. I wish it were lighter like my V9 Roamer was.
You did go back to a Guzzi, though...!
MG might be my favorite brand. Just have an Aprilia RSV4 at the moment, but will certainly get another Moto Guzzi soon.
Bought my first Guzzi in 1980 a 74 850-T and have owned many more over the years,right now 20 V85TT and a 74 Eldorado the Griso still calls to me. You should fine a well sorted Centauro my all time favorite Guzzi I have owned.
I love my V85. I just wish it had a bit more power is all. But my god the handling is phenomenal. And it loves to be revved out. But I also own a Harley and I love it just as much. Used to hate on Harleys, but now having owned one I love them. I’d love to build out my street bob with a 128 kit from S&S.
You buy a Italian bike because of your feelings for it somehow. It doesn,t make sense but it does
It makes perfect sense. Just for some of us it takes more time to understand 👌
Plot twist: he rides away on a 975 sportster.
1202 baby.
BMW did the same thing with the R9T with exhaust and single sided swingarm on the kickstand side. Bizarro.
So you want a XR1200?
I’m not a hardy guy, but yeah, I’d kinda like to have one. The black and orange one with the X behind it cause I want the better suspension.
There is no way an XR1200 handles as a Griso.
I've had both and still have the XR Harley, the Guzzi will run rings around the XR stock but add some suspension upgrade and ride height and there about equal. The one thing I hated about the Guzzi was the gearbox they are terrible and I've had 2 V11s also both terrible, never had a falsely on the Harley it's been bulletproof.
I think both sides of that bike are beautiful. I love guzzi, wish I had one. Almost got a California but ended up getting a 2019 chief dark horse.
It hurts my legs just to watch the ergos of how far back your feet must be placed.
18:10 Thats that Willie G VP of Styling, making an HD look great broken down on the side of the road.
REMBRAMBER BRUTHERS FUNCTION FOLLPWS FORUM GOBBLES
14:11 that's what she said
😆 I’m glad I’m not the only one that had that thought.
6:12 that's very true, Last Tuesday night I did some motorcycle hooliganism in the city 3 of us, a new Versys a Souped up mt-03 and me on my trusty steed V7III only by the traffic light launch I could keep up for the rest Huffing and puffing behind😂
As a guzzi owner I can say reliability isn't the problem,
The service is, I love my california, but God the absolute pain of trying to find a mechanic to help when I get in over my head.
Guzzi's are typically pretty easy to work on mechanically. What did you get in over your head on? The electrics can definitely suck.
The Aprilia Shiver has the same issue with requiring resistors for LED indicators. In fact the dash on the Moto Guzzi looks suspiciously similar to my Shiver. Luckily, a previous owner has taken care of the resistor installation so I don't need to worry about it.
The Guzzi shares a dash with RSV1000 Tuonos (including the known condensation issues) so probably has some similarity with the Shiver too.
Resistors are an old school hack for sorting out flashers. Go to any auto parts store and get a replacement flasher relay listed for LED use. They've been a common thing for about a decade now, but the internet insists on still telling people they need resistors.
@@shinyribs2178 Did you even watch the video? Spite's Moto Guzzi & my Aprilia Shiver don't have a flasher relay. You have to use resistors to install LED indicators.
@@shinyribs2178good tip.
the oil burning is the real problem with the italian v twins
The grass is always greener on the other side. By (almost) any measure the Guzzi is the superior and better motorcycle.
Mine was a Honda, but I traded up to a Harley Heritage Classic on black Friday.
Lets see how long you'll keep the Sportster.
As a multiple time owner of Ducatis, Moto Guzzis and 3 BMWs... I can say without reservation that European bikes are pricey, but generally reliable and of quite high quality. One of the reasons you Americans have reliability issues with European machines (cars too) is your aversion to paying for routine maintenance. Most of you never even bother to read your owners manuals, where maintenance schedules are laid out. Like a valve adjustment on a Ducati that runs over $1,000 every 10K miles...miss one and risk the possibility of serious damage? Europeans all seem to have no problem paying for required service. So many North American bikers I have met will only take their bikes in when it's broken. However, my next intended ride for next summer will be the new Honda CB1000 SP Hornet. As Honda isn't selling them here in North America, I'll be flying to Europe to pick one up and do a Grand Tour on it.
Is Honda not bringing that bike to the US?
A lot of broad generalization in here about United States riders versus European riders.
@@churchofbrap876 when they do, it will only be available in black. 🙄
Hmmm... based on some of these comments... I think some of the fan base is going to miss the Guzzi. Not a bad thing, but kind of funny to see. IDC one way or the other because IMO Italian motorcycles are for looking at, not riding... but I digress... I also generally don't like HD... but of all the HDs... the sportster 1200 is the one I think I would have a soft spot for ( and maybe the PAN-AM too). I think it will be cool to see what you do with one.
What about the Moto Guzzi Audace cruiser? I feel like your perspective on it would be nice
I'll kinda miss the griso. That being said I get it. Main reason I got rid of my Monster 1200s is because of the Desmo service. Ducati of Austin gave me 4 different quotes when I was trying to verify before going down to do it. I eventually just sold it. Maintenance costs are a deal breaker on some bikes. Now I look at a 821 that my wife has knowing it will need a Desmo in around 2000 miles. Problem is she will not get rid of the bike. So I am stuck with the maintenance. What was the brothrrr bike in the quadlock ad?
Trade it in on a new Monster. Most women love shiny new Italian bobbles.
Envy for the next owner? That’s like being jealous of my ex girlfriend’s new boyfriend. If I loved her that much you woulda never got a ride in the first place! 😉
This damn guy buys Harley and KTM, should we be listening to him? /s much love Spite
Well hell if he bought a Honda he wouldn't have any fail stories to tell. 😅
KTM??? Well, at least Harley isn't on the imminent brink of going out of business.
Harley had to lobby the govt to get heavy tarriffs put on Japanese bikes because Harley was dying. And that's after they got bought and sold by a bowling alley company. The only thing keeping Harley alive is selling a lifestyle that guys with inferiority complexes can buy in to feel like a real man on a real bike. Harley's poor reliability reputation is only trumped by BMW, who somehow charges even more for their bikes that break down more than Harley's. Any argument that Harley is successful at producing motorcycles is a weak one.
@@m.f.m.67maybe.
@@TheBlueDogMan Harley has survived the Great Depression, and two world wars. They will survive this.
are u getting a new sportster or an old one? the new one is what u want, that thing got a real motor in it
She said, ciao buddy!
One of my biggest regrets in my 60 years is selling my guzzi 850 T-3....I was young and.... not so wise..... that bike was bullet proof from a teenager treating it like a full on crotch rocket and banging it foot pegs to rubber foot pegs that... did not fold up if I remember correctly 🤔 anyway, I 😢am... seriously upset with myself for selling it. Although I don't think I would have brought it with me to Vietnam and now Thailand..... I am looking to get the new Stelvio here at my local dealership in Beautiful Gorgeous Bangkok Thailand 🇹🇭. Love your vids.... You might be like me at 60 and regret selling this.... although this bike i never rode.... but... I really wish I still had mine.... the riding here in Thailand is awesome and Vietnam is amazing.... fun... especially on a street legalized WR 450..😅 any way... oh yea.. Arrow exhaust full systems you can't go wrong with in my opinion. Thank you again for your enjoyable and educational Content ✨🙏🌴🌴😊
You're gonna regret that trade..
Considering the relatively low payout a dealer is going to offer on a Griso, I cant see the numbers making sense.
Its a naked muscle bike, yeah over 90 its not the best tool for the job.
Complains about the top speed, but doesnt want a sportbike.
Complains about cruiser handling, but doesn't want to keep the bike that has the has the styling and handling.
They make gel and dual density foam seats for the Guzzi from third party saddle makers.
Honestly, all the "problems" with the bike are manufactured justifications for moving on from it.
There are a million Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, Harley etc. They only made so many of the Griso and with EU emissions restrictions they're not going to make them like the Griso again.
The Griso is probably worth hanging onto but hopefully Spite enjoys whatever he gets after this bike.
$700 for the service described isnt that bad when you consider thats like a 10,000 mile service. Youll do that every couple of years unless you're riding all thee time and exclusively on that bike.
Trying to make comparisons between the Sportster and the Griso...ugh. They're vastly different.
Gonna start seeing Spite on TH-cam shorts shouting at people on fun bikes telling them not to pass him. "SLOW DOWN AND SAY IT TO MY FACE BRUTHUR"
First off, I didn't complain about the top speed. I said it's not fast. I have a Vmax, Tuono, 800NK, 919, and CBR600F4i for speed. Second, I didn't complain about the handling, I just said it was a little slower than I initially thought when I reviewed it. See other bikes for good handling ones. Also it's not a 10000 mile service it's 6000 and I hit that in a year.
Ye, understand how you feel..... I also, decided to sell my V85TT.....But NO-one bought it ! 🤣🤣 And F...K am I glad, no one did !!! I advertised it in the beginning of summer 24, then I tried to "swap" it .... Received some - out of the donkeys'' ass offers..... In the end - I've realized that I enjoy riding it MORE than many other bikes I had, or tried in the resent past.
So IF Guzzi get the finger out of their rear end, and install a FUEL GAUGE on the V7 ( not only a Sport ) - I will, probably buy one as well ☝☝😀 Yes, these bikes DAMAND allot of attention - like spoiled pretty girlfriends, but they give MORE back !
Moto Guzzi really had something but it fizzled out so fast before anyone really knew about them. I like the Audace, Eldorado, & the Griso 1200. But nothing was available for hundreds of miles from my house. Moto Guzzi has no backing whatsoever in America = no bikes.
I would definitely keep the griso over the sportster, but I’m not one to speak since I’m looking to sell my street triple for a dual sport
No is the clear answer. Thats why Triumph builds many of their best bikes in Thailand.
The cylinder sleeves/jugs and piston/rings are Mahle performance products on my '22 Speed Twin. Forged 12.1 to 1 compression ratio pistons. These are not cheap parts or assemblies.
I'm confident the bike is not only well equipped. But has been thouroughly tested and developed to a standand that few brands can even hope to achieve. Certainly KTM or Moto Cheezy could learn some things here. Being more expensive or cheaper doesn't seem to help them very much? If you offered me one of each for my Bonneville. I'd firmly decline.
i know this feeling of having to part yet feeling regret: I once owned a Buell S2. Sigh.
He just wished he had a bigger garage and bank account so he did not need to sell.
Back quite a few years ago, one of my neighbors had a Moto guzzi bought it brand new. Had oil smoke from the get-go on the dealer said oh that will clear up when it breaks in. It didn't clear up and when they pulled the motor down they found out it didn't have any oil rings in it. Union sabotage.
Wo shit!
Yes, if you're strong enough
As an owner of the 4 valve Moto Guzzi Daytona and numerous other Italian bikes I think you are not approaching this bike from the right way, it's not a sport bike it a roadster an older gentlemans sporty-ish ride for taking in the scenery at a good clip but it's not ever going to be knee down fun. it's longer wheel base makes it super stable through fast high speed sweepers if set up correctly. Also you are about twice the size and weight of the average italian rider. Complaining about the seat is daft take it to an upholsterer to get what you want. complaining that the bike is not engineered to look better on the sidestand is just symptomatic of todays image obsessed people, who cares how it sits to be photographed. Guzzi'sd are for big miles long rides not just running to get a coffee three minutes away , any air cooled Vtwin from Ducati aprillia etc is the same they need to warm up . also most Guzzi guys do their own service. Trading a Griso for a harley ? I'm out see ya.
Sportster? Sexy? I think not! Keep the Guzzi!!!
Shameless plug, selling a 2012 Tenni Green Griso 1200 in Huntsville AL if anyone is wanting one...
Don't do it Spite!
The what? The “longetivity”?
Spite.. I know what you're doing. You are going for the new Griso with the new engine.. I bet you've got some inside information so just spit it out, come on now..
I wish I had inside information, but nah, it's just moving on.
@spitescorner o.k. still a little sus brother ;) love the content greets out of the Netherlands ✌️
Move the side stand to the right side
It almost sounds like a KLR!!!
Uh, wut?
Not the Guzzi!! 😭😭😭😭
Damn all that problem for servicing such a fun bike 😢. Plus the footpeg position is a major turnoff too. I can understand why you are selling it. How about checking out the Triumph Speed twin 1200 or the Kawasaki Z900RS instead of the Harley Davidson bike ? Just a quick suggestion from my side but i understand where you are coming from now ; you want some comfort and easy to service bike 😅 which the Harley Davidson must be.
Hardly Harley because there more in the shop than on the road 😂
At least yours has horse power my v star has mouse power
I am sorry, but if you can’t do the valves in 30 minutes blindfolded you need to turn in you motorcycle license. I did my Guzzi service, plus the gear drive hula in 3 hours. I thought you were a real biker, the only reason the HD boys won’t kick you out is they are desperate.
An American thats not using an Iphone asking me to get my mind out of the gutter, I aint going to do it by the way what is in that box that you keep on you when you are riding?
Hey do you ever read any comments?
Thx
Always. A lot of times it's not very fun but I read them all
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Well I have always liked your style and you’re a real biker. Yes I am 64 but I own a 21 HD Tri Glide a Goat E-Bike and just bought a new Benilli TNT 135.
Yes I am an enthusiast.
Some get it!
Some don’t!
Ask KTM
Cramped legs aren't fun!!!
Dude the resistors come with a quick little clamp terminal, so no need to cut an splice. An the whole video shows that you only been riding a few years. The constant complaining over simple task is abysmal
Quick clamp terminals are like bullet connectors. Good for a week, bad for a season.
@@spitescorner That is not necessarily true.
Skip the sportster ... low rider s or a fat bob way better Harley-Davidsons
Bigger motor, a bit more power, but better? That's debatable. The Evo/XL and Twin Cams are the best aircooled motors H - D made in the last 20 years. It's still raw and feels right to me. The M8 is too smooth for my liking.
How long have you been waiting for crap for the KTM???
It's more or less fixed, but I just haven't had time to make a video about it.
@@spitescorner All KTM's get repaired, which is only temporary. None of them get fixed.
No
Reliable Italian motorbike easy tr650
Noooooooooo!! (Guzzi fan)
Too weak to own a guzzi is all I heard. Shame
They’d be great in a display case along with those other pretty bikes that are hard to live with.
I‘d never buy a motorcycle from a T-Shirt brand
That joke is older than the Sportster
Might be an old joke, or we can just realize that people have been saying it for years because it's been reality years.
First time I heard that joke I laughed so hard I fell off my dinosaur
More of the same lame generalizations, sorry.
stop making videos....
No, I don't think I will.
power rating sportser 1200 70 hp egzacly 67 hp crank vs 95 hp this griso isint right tech soec say 108 hp at crank for griso 95 hp is at the whell spoerter 1200 is 60 hp at whell so next time check techspec closer and comapre aple to aple not aple to elephant 👌🏻😉☕️
🤔Not sure if joke or stroke
@ you say power for sportster at crank and for griso at whell 😉👌🏻 ….
Stronks
@@mociczyczkiso he gave the Sportster an advantage and the griso still stomps it for power.
@ yep 👌🏻well depend on point of view in regard to absolute numbers itself yep 👌🏻 in regard to power vs accelerstion level nope it give from this point of view advantage to griso as avg roder will suspect smaller diffrences in accelerstion cos whell hp is „ stronger ” hp 😉👌🏻
Orphan brands of motorcycles with no real dealer support are for people with time and money and easily impressed friends.
Guzzi put all the weight up high and they wheelie funny.
Sorry, thanks.
Thanks.