Tesla wanted $16,000 to fix this NEW Model 3, we did it for $700! The importance of Right to REPAIR!
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Say it louder for those in the back, THIS IS WHY RIGHT TO REPAIR MATTERS.
YEAH! its not just about smartphones and farm equipment everyone. ITS ABOUT YOUR RIGHT TO FIX WHATS YOURS!!!
You and Rich and the crew are doing Gods work.
PREACH STEVON ( keep building cool shit )
Yup, We need to fight for this!
Tag Louis!🤣
THIS is why Right to Repair is needed for consumers, REGARDLESS of industry. Fantastic video Rich.
+1
I dont really understand what this video had to do with right to repair. Did Tesla try to take this video down? Was a cease and desist issued to this garage?
All I see is the dealer wanted to charge a Sky high price to repair then it was done much cheaper at another shop... welcome to owning any car in the past 100 years...
Right to repair would be applicable if Tesla was saying that what you see in this video is illegal under the DMCA or took them to court. Thats what John Deere is doing to farmers. Tesla never said that, at least I don't see it anywhere....?? What am I missing.
Also fwiw I can see why this kind of repair could not be stood behind because it may work but you couldn't guarantee it due to how it works, it is very depebdant on the skillset of this garage.
@@brunes007 Tesla does not support independent shop, look back in the older videos
I think right to repair is great, but the reason Tesla might not want to allow uncertified individuals to repair vehicles is because it may create dangerous situations if components are installed incorrectly, creating fires etc... this would hurt Tesla's image and place people on harms way. Cell phone is fine when done by third party, but a vehicle is a different story.
@@hesamchobanlou4887 just sell the parts and be done with it, other companies are doing it. Tesla is just trying to control everything like apple
The extent uncle Rich had to walk on eggshells and make it clear he’s not bashing tesla multiple times, speaks volumes on how reactive and emotional Tesla fans can be.
They probably only own Apple products too.
Not bashing them...just telling you how EVERYTHING about the car and owning one is really fucked up and how bad the dealers suck...but not bashing...not bashing.
Don't think it's the fans he worried bout! More like the defamation of battery juice 🔋
No , the dummy tax is for buying a Tesla, not for getting the wrong insurance
He is probably dodging bullets from Tesla and/or Elon Musk too, right?!
If they gave credit for the good battery cells when you had to replace the battery pack, the cost would be much less. They expect to replace the entire battery and keep the original battery, which does have value. There should be credit for it.
Lol! 😂 Tesla and other EV manufacturers will not do that. They're NOT gonna make profits (money! 🤑💰🏧💲💵💸🤑) out of it! That why they need to make the repairs for EV to be much more expensive than Gas vehicles! The climate change HOAX and the Paris Climate Accord is all about money! 🤣 It's all about ripping off the Sheeples who believes in Electric Vehicle safe for environment BS.
Even if the whole battery is done , the lithium alone has a fair bit of value , no ???
Tesla did not damaged the battery pack.
Exactly!! Just like Autozone when you take off the item and get the core charge back
your phrasing is way too nice, they are stealing it from you since they dont give a core charge. This should be fought as a class action lawsuit
People are here for you not Tesla! .. I remember I heard someone tell you that a while back, guess they were right! Lol.
and for the plastic nipples?
@@ChunkyMonkaayyy lmao! Don't forget about the nipples... I mostly deal with pipe nipples unfortunately
Uncle Rich keeping Elon honest.
I wonder who said that??
Crazy. Not exactly sustainable.
Rich Rebuilds has fought for our rights to fix our vehicles don't let that go unnoticed!!! Thank you Rich your hard work will be rewarded.
he needs to join Louis Rossmann in the fight. Idk how they dont know about eachother
faught?
Uncle rich will be in history books as a pioneer of electric car repair
I wonder who will get all the credit for what he is. doing and get all the money for it
always has the right to repair. just not corporate subsidies and open source IP to make it easier.
I've been fixing my own stuff all my life, 2 months ago my 65 inch curved Samsung TV kept shutting down after two minutes because of an overheating problem. Took the back off and saw the amount of dust in the back (I live in the med), cleaned everything including dismantling/cleaning/lubricating the cooling fan, job done only 1 hour. Happy wife happy life :-)
Sometimes all you need to do is a little research and then take the plunge!
I have a TV repair shop, and I help my customers find the most lasting expedient way to solve the problem.
Why fix your own stuff when to fix it I could have charged you 95% the cost of a brand new one? Right to repair is overrated when you know I’m your guy and it might be expensive really expensive but I’ve got your back. Unless you want a warranty on the work I do can’t help you there! 🤪
Yep, so wasteful how much repairable stuff gets junked. Back in the late 2000s there was an issue with Samsung using cheap capacitors and the power boards dying. It was a $0.30 part on a $1k TV, and you could dismantle it and replace it yourself with just a basic bit of soldering knowledge. I saved two TVs from the junk bin fixing that for people.
@@huskywithcoffee1568 And microwave oven junked because of a blown fuse.
Very smart fix. I had the plastic return line on the fuel pump in my '01 SATURN crack and leaked a little bit so you could smell it. The repair shop said the pump was $385. I took it home, cut off the cracked tube and drilled it out and turned a brass tube that pressed right in there and the leak was fixed . Yankee ingenuity!!..........Cheers, Jim
1:35 - I see that you, too, have learned that when your audience goes "OMG WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS CONTENT WE DON'T LIKE IT", but your numbers show it gets 100x the views of the content they claim to like... that they are fibbing. Welcome to youtube! As house says, everybody lies.
2:02 that... looks like my last ebike.
Amazing job as always.
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I'm a Tesla fan but I'm even more in favour of right to repair. The safety excuse does not wash. Gasoline is dangerous but that doesn't stop people working on fuel systems.
I was just about to drop this video over on your page Louis, glad to see you're already here!
Hey Louis, thank God you got your business license renewed !!!
Why did I have a feeling I'd find a comment from you here? Awesome, Go Louis, what you do, and how you do it is an inspiration to many of us.
The thing that bothers me the most about this situation is the carelessness to waste, oh yeah the battery problem is huge but replace this entire pack for a pipe nipple.
Kinda shows ya that Tesla isn't as environmentally friendly has they want you to think
I wonder what they do with the battery.
First Option: They reuse the battery modules, i.e. in powerwalls, other batteries, etc. In that case the customer shouldn't pay such a huge sum.
Second Option: They trash it. This would mean they don't care about the environment at all.
@@Silberschleier They don't throw away batteries, they recycle them. Batteries are valuable enough to throw away.
@@Silberschleier I can almost guarantee they ship in packs like these to the battery service center, replace the nipple, then charge the next guy that has that problem 16 grand for that same battery pack.
The customer here buys a new pack, Tesla almost certainly takes in the damaged pack, replaces the nipple at the battery service center in the factory, then resells it to the next person as a replacement.
You should put a $1 stainless steel clamp around the thin outer plastic that you threaded to accept the brass nipple to prevent it from ever splitting when the brass nipple heats up and expands. If possible, add a metal protector around that fitting to prevent future breakage from road debris.
The brass is never going to get hot enough to expand enough to crack the plastic
I understand that but as 50 Cent stainless steel clap its Extra Protection
Tesla makes a battery and sells it for $16,000 then everything on the pack should be replaceable. Would you buy a regular engine with all the hose fittings part of the casting? Tesla engineers are either building to make repairs very expensive or building so write offs sell new cars. Either that or they are stupid. Do you think they are stupid? Main reason insurance companies write off vehicles as they are in agreement with manufacturers with some under the table deal. My new bought car had the appraiser write off a $14,000 car because of a little hail damage. Had to show them the value as they had it for $6000. The appraiser claimed she was new to the job and the replacing a guy on vacation. LOC We are nothing but pawns.
Skip to 13:50 thru 20:00 for the repair.
Before washing out debris, try vacuuming the newly threaded area first using a small nozzle on the vaccum.
Yea waaaay too much filler in these vids
Tesla are very similar to Apple on repairs, and that’s not a good thing.
Tesla has long been hailed as "The Apple of cars", unfortunately that's a bad thing in every way.
And in going to China for their manufacturing. ;) Model Y available in Europe in September... made in China.
Which is why we need Right to Repair
John Deer is the same.. Everyone one needs to fight for the Right to repair
just how tesla owners are the same as apple owners, defending their expensive shit
Cant believe how much this story sounds like Apple support stories.
evil corporations who think they are the savior of environment.
I was thinking the same thing
$$$$ > $$$
Same demonic breed
iPhone is $1k, but this is $60k
It is so important to have options like this that save time and money and allow for a local repair without a major expense. If I were Tesla company, I would send you guys an award, and integrate this repair into the Tesla system. Thanks Rich, thanks EV garage for existing and sharing your fixes!
You guys are doing a great service to our public. Thank you.
Poor guy needs a trip to Olive Garden. Rich don’t give him your breadstick though.
The “see old pictures of your ex-girlfriend when your wife isn’t around” got me dying 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣👌
Its sad that there are people like that in real life.
my wife walked in at that point and was like wtf are you watching!😂😂😂
Facts
That was GOLD
Thanks, Rich Rebuilds. I came across this and will definitely bookmark the garage. I own a Tesla Model 3 2018 for 4 years now, love the car and want to keep it running as long as I possibly can.
I agree with your position on Right to Repair. We pay for the car, we own the car, we can do whatever the hell we want with our property.
Great video ... as an alternative to the brass fitting, the MPT to MPT with the hex in the middle is available in a 30% GFN nylon 66 in the same configuration. Nylon 66 has excellent tensile strength as well as excellent flexural properties, with high heat resistance and thermal properties that would expand and contract at the same rate as the plastic it is threaded into which may be a nylon 66. Right To Repair!
Diameter and thread pitch??
Tesla needs to learn from this. A simple low impact incident should not write off the battery and cost the owner $16k. It generates bad press and since they don't advertise and rely on word of mouth, situations like this only break customer confidence.
And the fact that one new battery is 6 years of driving around a v8 Vs a few months of v8 driving for replacing the broken part of the battery. Tesla is am environmental disaster right now.
@@OutOfNameIdeas2 6 years? Yea no…
@@OutOfNameIdeas2 yet people aggressively mock gas cars for being so dirty. People are incredibly stupid nowadays.
@@OutOfNameIdeas2 You've posted this message a few times now.
@@OutOfNameIdeas2 Electric Cars are not old enough the cheapen the process. Gas cars were perfected for more than 100 years, Batteries are only becoming cheaper now with advancements in manufacturing and technology.
I'm not a tesla fanboy, but the car industry as a whole is an environmental disaster far greater than Tesla will ever be.
Tesla is a great argument for Right to Repair legislation.
I suppose I'll be going through one or two more used gasoline cars of my own before I can get an affordable (used) mainstream Japanese electric car. Well, I waited a long time before I got an (old) Miata.
@@MorrisDugan - I'm all for innovation and advancement. My problem is with Tesla being so anti consumer.
Elon is a big part of that problem. Heck, he even sued the actual guys who founded Tesla and designed the first vehicle trying to legally block them from being able to say they founded Tesla.
Once other automakers catch up, Tesla will have to have a culture change or they'll fall by the wayside as other companies begin delivering an electric vehicle and decent customer service with an already established service network.
@@Texas240 oh wow. That’s crazy. I didn’t know that.
@@Texas240 I agree. Their stupid pop-out door handles which are practically guaranteed to fail in cold climates are another example. Along with simply not even having Tesla service centers available to anybody outside of a major city. I really kind of like the Model Y but there is just no way I'd consider buying one right now because of how Tesla operates.
@@Texas240 Other manufacturers are going to do the same thing. Do you really think any of these automakers care about the environment? They just want to keep the poor poorer and the rich richer. I'll be sticking with my ICE's for as long as I can.
Nice fix. Personally I would use a pvc or poly nipple. On the odd chance this happened again I'd want the nipple to break before it could break the coolant unit. Lol my home water filter has a flush system nipple break and considered using a brass one then thought welk I'd rather replace the nipple than the unit
Right to repair is vital. This is a perfectly acceptable repair and what I would do. I do wonder, given the very low pressure in the system, if using FlexSeal tape would actually make a seal that would work. Just a thought, since a tape seal solution doesn't give any structure like using a brass nipple does. Excellent work guys!
Epoxy, polyurethane foam, carbon fiber, or perhaps plastic welding should work equally as well.
For a car that costs 5+ figures, they treat their customers very poorly. Also plastic fittings on a $16,000 battery!!! I am glad people are fighting for the right to repair computers, cars, tractors, for it all!
It wouldn't make sense to run metal connections... But the design could probably easily be changed to something that protects the plastic connections... Like add a metal shroud that sticks out from the battery pack that takes the impact of something hitting it.
@@rkan2 This was done on the Model S years ago. Tesla retrofitted a lot of those with a titanium plate to cover the car's underside because they were getting debris damaging the packs and other critical components in a similar way. (My guess is that they did it because they were still needing to bolster their car's reliability reputation as an unknown upstart company in the car manufacturing industry.) They should have the model 3 underside covered as well even if its just a cheaper type of metal.
@@alexisrivera200xable I remember. The "plate" is just a couple inches wide titanium bar in front of the battery pack - it doesn't cover the whole underside - it is just designed to break apart stuff going under the battery pack.
Maybe you should look at a modern car. Plastic is used in many places. Radiators have pressed in plastic tanks, and they take about 15 PSI, intakes, petrol tanks engine sumps...
Battery wasn't 16k, that included fitting. I know many people think labour should be free, but guess what - paying people for their work is a thing.
@@Cheepchipsable All Tesla batterypacks can be replaced in like 2 hours.. Tesla service center rates are like 180$/hour...
"I'd have to sell my racecar."
"Now I get to keep my racecar."
Dude, don't leave us hanging like that!
Seriously! What racecar???
I was thinking the same thing
Yes please what is it!
Judging by his clothes and appearance I'd say he has a early to mid 90's camaro/mustang with some bolt-ons
@@undertheinfluencegarage4361 dont judge a car by its paint...er something....
thanks for this you are so funny .after seeing how easy it is to break the cooler line .I built and installed a bracket on my model 3 performance because I race it and I can see me having this problem
Again if I were the Tesla company, I would come up with some kind of protection for this weak area, or perhaps even a repair bulletin to prevent this.
@@daviddipasquale5479 Or just make the nipple replaceable. Perhaps some threads into the pipe and a threaded nipple. Yea that sounds easy enough.
Mind boggling when you think of it that a repair this easy would cost you a whole battery.
@@daviddipasquale5479 No. They do such things on purpose. They sell battery for $16000. Then refurbish and resell the one with broken niple. 32000 minus few hundred of refurbishment cost. Fix this? Why? It is perfect.
Now thats good planning
I had a radiant heating system installed in my home the tech who installed the system used brass male pipe fittings screwed into plastic female fittings as you did , after a short time the brass fitting caused the plastic to split . Not sure if it was the expansion difference between the brass and plastic or over torquing the fitting. I think it would have been better for you to use threaded plastic pipe into the damaged fitting so you didn't have the same result as I did. BTW I in order to correct this had to go with female brass fitting and male plastic pipe fitting. Just a thought. otherwise great instructional videos .
This is equivalent to telling someone they need an engine replacement from a cracked radiator port, what a joke. Also, kudos to EG, that repair looks more reliable than the original fitting.
Metal is a far better material than plastic. That brass fitting would be what... $5?
Hey, look, your thermostat housing is cracked!
Now we're going to have to swap out the engine and trans as it's all one part on the crate...
@@YouNameItGaming Bro your radiator cap is broken and won't seal. That'll be 17 grand for a brand spanking new radiator and top of the line blinker fluid!
Elon bought wrong company namely Tesla he should buy Edison it fits way more in that type of after sales service/attitude
I'd have put a small ring of JB Weld around where the nipple threads into the battery just to make sure it won't break there, obviously not very strong material. But I tend to overdo things like that. Wouldn't hurt anything.
I like the "let's save the planet" narrative and then we throw a car away for a piece of plastic
I expect Tesla will earn from this and make improvements. The battery pack that was pulled would have been recycled for home batteries or materials for new EV batteries. Certainly not good, but not worthy of a ICE narrative.
@@ericl4160 it would have been partially recycled, and only if recycling is cheaper, if not, it would have gone straight to a landfill in sub-saharan africa
It’s all fake.
@@onelyone6976 Next house, I intend to buy an old Tesla battery pack to build a home battery, lots of people do. Batteries materials can be recycled, not well, but better than some bad plastics already. Petroleum biproducts are more wasteful.
@@darksideblues135 What's fake? The claim of "save the planet" or the ridiculous oil & gas hate of Tesla and EV manufacturers to save hold back the renewable wave that will crush them?
Yeah I don't know why Tesla doesn't think about it this way they could be making more money for people not even buying cars so they basically have like a chain of repair shops like Pep Boys or something like that where they can basically say hey you want to be a certified Tesla repair place then have your workers get trained and basically they have to pay Tesla to train their employees so that they can be certified. That way test was making money from another revenue stream without people buying the cars.
It's kind of like paying for a royalty or a license.
Then if there is any other new features that come out that they need to be retrained on then before the whole lot them repair more cars again they say hey your license doesn't cover this you need to retrain the employees and then it's another upcharge or something like that.
Elon Musk doesn't trust anyone to repair those cars. He's a narcissist too.
Okay, this just happened to my stepson. I own a machine shop, so this is such an easy repair. Thank you for the vid!
Question - Whay kind of coolant needs to be used for replacement, and I assume that it is just filled in the little storage tank where the coolant pump is in the front?
So basically it’s an iPhone with wheels and the “technicians” are Tesla’s geniuses 😂
I really hate this "ipad/iPhone with wheels" crap people keep saying. It's a car with lots of electronics. Newsflash, all modern cars have heaps of electronics. Edit: I am stupid and somehow missed the obvious similarity between the corporate cultures and loyal fan bases of these two companies. iPad on wheels makes perfect sense now.
@@randomname4726 They are referring more to corporate culture rather than a direct analogy.
This cars problem wasn't some complicate electronic problem, it was a busted pipe.
$16k to replace an entire part that was easily fixed, and probably cost $10 to fix.
@@Cheepchipsable Yep, turns out I wasn't using the old brain on that one. See my edit above.
Stupid comparison since apple is better to deal with.
@@Josmersuero You apparently never had a problem with your iPhone and went to the “genius” bar
Sounds like there's aftermarket potential for stronger skid pans...
I concur. I'm sure some company in China is already on the task....for dirt cheap to boot.
Or tesla should just make the part more durable. The plastic seems to not handel a lot of potential road damage that seems pretty likely to happen
Exactly my thought. However, given how big an issue this seems to be 3rd parties shouldn't be required to improve such a catastrophic design flaw.
1. Tesla should make that nipple design better
2. Tesla should improve the belly pan
@@PeterTPhan actually its better to have such a weak point in a system, so it doesnt damage the hose or even the battery itself. All it need is to be easily replacable. Why not do the same exact thing?
Instead of molding it into the batter use a plastic thread and thread it on from the outside.
20 bucks to repair at most.
@@D3nn1s it doesn't have to be stronger, just better. Replaceable nipple is all that's needed.
Additionally, a truly protective belly plate would go a long way in keeping the components in that area intact. That flimsy plastic is terrible.
I don’t what kind of cars you work on in your videos. You and your team are awesome, I would watch videos of you making your Tesla tinker toys. You are enjoyable to listen to, insanely knowledgeable and I always learn something from your videos even if that something is a lesson. Thank you for what you do.
I drive a Model Y and I'll admit, I'm a bit of a Tesla fanboy, but I just started work at Apple and when Musk said, "Apple is a graveyard for failed Tesla employees", I kind of felt shit on, so if I ever get the chance, I think I'll fire back with what you said, "Every Tesla is pretty much the same, so making the same thing over and over again is supposed to be rocket science huh?"
"Why do you want the battery?" "I don't. I just don't want Tesla to take the battery, send it off to the factory, fix it, and then resell it."
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"Why do you want the battery?"
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Me: "Why do y o u want it?"
Exactly. They want you to pay them 16grand, take your old battery, refurb and sell it to some other poor soul for 16grand? FML
@@dallysinghson5569 I think Tesla just dropped the ball here. They could get good PR by just replacing the battery for a nominal fee, and taking back the used battery (I don't think they would put it into a new car).
@@red-baitingswine8816 it came from a new car ... so why not ? There's barrely any use on the actual cells - just put those cells into a new housing .
But yeah. High chances, that it will go back into the replacement program instead of a new car.
I don't. How much do you want to buy it off me for? Don't forget I can sell it for a good price on Ebay....
I'm no expert, but isn't it kind of a really bad design if a broken $2 plastic part results in a whole battery change costing $16k? Ridiculous!
I couldn’t tell from the video. Is the Tesla Nipple glued in place?
I understand it’s likely a bespoke part you can’t otherwise buy, but making it permanently attached would be worse!
@@marknelson2073 it looks to be molded plastic. Probably the end/side of the battery is a molded cap where things like this cooling tube attach.
American engineering.
@@marknelson2073 it's not glued in place. It can be unbolted and replaced if you take out the battery pack and open up the top of it to get access. Tesla Service Centers do not work on battery packs. It's quicker and easier for them to just replace the whole thing. Then the old pack would be sent to their factory to fix the broken plastic tube and used as a refurbished battery pack. Also, it's not easy to open the top of the pack because it's glued together with an adhesive to keep water out.
@@kalekainxx you should see German engineering ... It's even worst
Great video, great repair, still i am puzzled how this connector of the cooling line could have been broken, if it is covered by the black underbody cover, which was put on, at the end of the repair?
My buddy bought a Lexus at an auction. It has the self focusing headlights. One broke so the beam was pointed right into the oncoming traffics face. lol He inquired about repairing it at a garage. they wanted like 1400 bucks to replace the headlight citing it was cheaper to replace it because they are not really fixable. So he is mechanical and did it self but the replacement was part alone, the lamp house was 700 plus tax and shipping.
As a Tesla fanboy, I can say this video is a true public service. Not to mention the repair to this man's car.
I agree. I think it's fantastic the Tesla is pushing the whole transportation market to all electrics. And very very important for right to repair, and upgrade bulletins for weak areas like this damaged nipple.
Say it louder for those a year after. Lmao
@@daviddipasquale5479 its not fantastic at all, these batteries not only have relatively short life span, they are extremely hard to replace and extremely hard to recycle. Not mentioning that Car producer having ability to remotely disable product YOU BOUGHT is cancer and is replicated across all types of business. So no, tesla is not doing fantastic job, it is actually doing harm, all these resources invested in battery car could be redirected to development of hydrgen powered cars or literally anything else that does not involve carrying battery half of weight of car
@@zawarudo1041 Batteries are constantly improving. And so is the recycling and reuse of battery materials. One point you do make I am equally concerned. Remote disabling capability. Rich Rebuilds points out this behavior when he was rebuilding salvaged Tesla's.
@@zawarudo1041 Hydrogen is a myth. There are plenty of videos on the tube that debunk the viability of hydrogen. Mercedes has been working on hydrogen tech for 30 years and finally gave up because it's too expensive. Hydrogen will be a good fit for ships, trains and planes but not cars.
Also, people forget one thing - Right for REPAIR, Tesla would REPLACE 99.9% good thing with a new thing. We should be able to REPAIR if possible, instead of replacing stuff...
You fix it and they take your supercharger. I hope one day someone sue tsla back to reality😡😡
Tesla as a company consistently promote their cars as reducing ones carbon footprint and helping the environment this video shows why Telsa failed on their own mission statement.
In theory, they do repair the battery afterwards, but it's transported a very long way, sending a small repair kit out would be a lot more efficient I think 🤔
@@petermolnar8667 but at the end you pay for two batteries! Madness! They could charge you an amount needed to cover transportation, new parts and labor. Close it at 500 - 1000 bucks instead of 16k.
we live in a disposeble society . perfectly good things are thrown away for no reason other then owning the new ones.
Nice fix! Thanks for showing this. I was wondering, it looks like that this nipple is screwed in place from te outside, looking at those 2 screws/bolts. I understand that it is way simpler to do it like this, but if the connection can't be safed in this way, will je be able to open the battery pack, so you can unbolt that nipple en fully replace it?
Customer comes across as a great guy! I am glad you where able to help him! 🤝
If this is the future of cars I’m going to buy a bicycle.
how sick would an electric bicycle be, gets u to speed then u can keep momentum yourself.
That's the goal of our government. They want us all out of our cars, yet they drive SUVs provided by taxpayers
@@helojoeywala6622 well that is already a thing.
Bicycles are rapidly going to the same direction so don't bother
It'll be the future of a bicycle
The other crazy thing is, if they are keeping battery packs they replace to repair them, they should be offering remanned batteries at a fraction of the cost of brand new. It makes no sense if Tesla can charge $16,000 for a battery, but then keep one with low miles to repair it and use it somewhere anyways. Not unless they are passing those savings on to the customer.
If they replace your battery and you’re paying for it you should be able to keep the battery.
I have taken cells out of the packs. The pack is disposable the way the cells are glued together. I could go into great detail about the pack but that is out of the scope of this video.
@@stevegorkowski3246 He even mentions they have replaced failed cells in a previous video though?
@@802Garage I would guess you could change a cell but the way they glue them in it would be very hard. You would want to practice on a bad pack before you do it on the real pack. The pack has a section of cells that could be changed but that isn't cheap.When you get the cell out you need to connect the Aluminum fuse wire to the new Aluminum cell top. I use a pulse Tig welder. I would use some of the bad cells to practice on. The top of the cell has a pressure relief valve the pops up. I don't know if that breaks the fuse wire by design from that movement.
The sad thing is they plan to pot the whole thing in one piece. This is just one issue I don't like. I am looking at other options other than Tesla but I will make a decision by 2025.
Most of all I feel sorry about people that don't understand Tech and buy a Tesla and huge repair bills need to be paid. The consumer electronic industry has the same issues.
@@stevegorkowski3246 Sort of feels like early adopter issues that come with most technology.
What I wonder is how this will affect things when he goes to turn the car in after the lease is up? Since Tesla has a record of this being broken, will they see this repair and then charge him for a new battery when he returns the car?
What heroes! Goes to show how important independent mechanics are. Great work!
HOW IS IT ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS TO REPLACE AN ENTIRE BATTERY JUST FOR A BROKEN PORT?
I wouldn't even call it replacement... They would "remanufacture" the battery pack. I'd call it straight up theft!!
That's the green spirit
Climate change is a hoax.
@@Tomoslb1 were loosing land to the ocean
@@Tomoslb1 didn't ask.
"Pay me 16000 because of a design flaw that I made"
Unbelievable, Tesla has horrible customer service lmfao
This is normal for pretty much every European car manufacturer. Audi asks ~30k€ for a new 0CK transmission, once aftermarket hits in, it can be repaired for up to 3k€. It's not just Tesla, y'all just hate that company so much that you have to pick on it all the time.
@@Steph-pg4rp In the defense of the Europeans, they make brilliant vehicles, not cheap vehicles with panel gaps that will put the distance between the Sun and Pluto to shame and then charge over 60k for it
@@SkylineLofe I have a car workshop and I'd argue about that. They may look great but their insides are scarily awful.
This video really open my eyes I will never buy a Tesla
@@SkylineLofe We Europeans might be able to have nice build quality. But especially Volkswagen (and every company they own) cars love to have Incredible cheap components that don't last long.
Hey Rich did you reserve the F-150 or Silverado EV's. Reason I ask is because the F-150 pro does not have an extended range. Would love to see you look into these trucks with your opinion.
I actually watched that repair video a week ago. YAY for gearheads figuring thing out!
"A lot of people say they miss I've used to do Tesla videos every week, day... I'm sure u miss your old girlfriend too, but she is gone now, you can look at old pictures of her when your wife is not around" - As someone who don't even own a car, also don't even think about owning one really ever, this is the reason I'm on channel. Hard core sarcasam and trolling, best of best.
This is copyright 😆
Why not ?
Od kod si ex Jugoslavija?
It's only a copyright issue if it was Jeremy Clarkson's original.
Won't own a car? Sounds like a sucky life to me.
So if that cheesy front skid plate were replaced with an aluminum or steel plate, this fitting wouldn't get damaged...
Yea I agree, if that skid plate wasn't some papper thin plastic bull shit, that fitting would be just fine
@@xXTECHxKNIGHTXx exactly!
I know what rich was getting at here with this video and I agree with him. Personally I think there's money out there for an aftermarket company to produce a skid plate that would actually protect stuff. I had an ice car that had an unprotected area, I made a shield.
@@AndyFromm the plastic and the frugal use of metal in Teslas gives them more range...that is why German cars are allways a few hundred pound heavier than all other cars...it's all weight in screws instead of plasticsnapins , extra steel for good measure instead of just enough to do the job and extra sound damping that is only usefull on the autobahn when you drive at speeds that are impossible at most places.
@@TremereTT this could be replaced with a 50lb piece of steel plate and you would notice virtually zero performance change but a 5lb sheet of aluminum would protect those fittings from most road debris...
Was thinking the same thing. One of the first things I'd do with a new one would be to have a custom aluminum skid plate made
I had the same exact thing happened to my battery. In my twenty thirteen model s. We bought the vehicle used, in the battery. Have been replaced about a year and a 1/2 before when we bought it. And I brought that up to the service advisor at Tesla, telling him the batteries listened to years old. It should be under warranty since it had been replaced. He said. Yeah, you're correct. And he looked up and saw that the previous owner had had the battery replace. Once I got there to pick the car up, he said. Well, I messed up. The battery was actually not under warranty, but since I told you it was. We will go ahead and honor it. The bill would have been nineteen thousand dollars for a new battery comma and tesla actually covered it just all verbally telling me a mistake. I do love these videos you make comma where are you located? I may need to bring my car to you again, one day.
I got into an accident with my model Y. My tesla repair shop sent me an agreement saying that They don’t use aftermarket parts and if my insurance don’t cover genuine tesla part the I will be responsible for the additional cost, which could be anything and won’t know until they open the car up.
What id your suggestion?
Sell it.
It sounds like when you own a Tesla, Tesla actually owns you.
Just like Russia! 🤣( family guy GPS refrence)
When you lease a Tesla, Tesla owns the car... Like when you lease any car
Yeah not to mention how charging dictates your lifestyle. People without garages, houses, people that live in apartments, in big cities without the ability to home charge can _pretend_ like it's "no big deal" and "not that big of an inconvenience" all they want, but the reality is their lifestyles are impacted in a pretty big way just to make sure their cars are charged and can take them where they need to go in the morning.
Not to mention, charging stations completely dictate your route on long journeys/road trips. Want to take that obscure scenic route? Too bad, if there aren't charging stations en route.
EVs may be the future but they're still a ways away from being every bit as practical and convenient as ICE vehicles.
this is such a turn off for me with modern cars. especially electric cars. thanks to all of their modern electric shit. they can manipulate you all they want to sqeeeze more money .
@@Glaamdring also EVs are completly impractical for cargo transportation. the batteires are too heavy to use in a semi truck . according to math by thunderfoot on YT . an electric semi would need a 15 tonn battery to carry 3 tons of cargo .
Bro you should take Louis to Olive Garden 🙌
I hope Luis Rossmann promotes this video and gets an touch with Rich Rebuilds.
@@TremereTT lul, they are in contact for years.
@@RyNiuu they arent
@@RyNiuu Great! Good to hear that. I like how they both are so emotional about the crazy ways of companies like Tesla and Apple.
Rich and Louis should both take Elon to Olive Garden.
Now the local garage can look at this and help out local tesla owners who have this same issue. Bravo!
Right to repair anything you buy -- YES!!!!
I agree to a certain extent. Would you be okay with power companies letting you work on your own power lines? Doubt it. The risk of death is too high. Tesla would kill too many backyard mechanics and do it yourself dads imo.
@@Buggabones For a repair such as the one shown?
If I am in over my head on something, I seek professional help, but there are lots of repairs, including on old-fashioned tube-type radio equipment with capacitors charged to 15kV, that I have safely done myself.
@johne7345
Ahhh yes. The good ol' flex capacitor fix by the Doc.
@@daixer3156 ... or the "Mr. Fusion" update. My elder son leads a fusion advance development engineering team and cringes when I mention the "Back to the Future" movies.
Love seeing Right to Repair cheerleading, people shouldn't need things like this explained to them.
Unfortunately, so much of the public don't understand things until it happens to them.
@@kidmosey no other car manufacturer is remotely as greedy as Tesla. They are absurdly unwilling to repair parts and insist on replacing entire subsystems rather than making them modular. BMW are probably the most similar, with a habit of combining parts that would never fail like cast alloy engine mounting brackets and thermostats or water pumps (or all three), but you can still replace most parts individually, and more importantly BMW will actually sell you parts to repair your car as well as workshop manuals. They will even sell you their diagnostic computers and access to their archives of firmware, it's not cheap but it's available.
To make matters worse, if you buy a second hand Tesla, you have to buy all the performance upgrades again, and if you don't Tesla HQ will remove those features. The analog equivalent of a guy who follows you around and unbolts the turbocharger from your ICE engined car, takes it back to the dealership and insists you pay the retail price plus labor to have it reinstalled. Tesla go a step further and disable all forms of fast charging if you figure out a way to re-enable the features that have already been paid for on the car you supposedly own, effectively rendering it useless.
Tesla's are nice cars, but Tesla Inc's unbridled greed would preclude me from ever considering one. For me driving a Tesla is like endorsing their ridiculousness, the best thing we can do for future generations (pun intended) of car owners is to support the companies who are most open to repair and modification and least prone to intruding in the car after you buy it, electronically or otherwise.
I hope for Tesla's sake that they don't try to cancel his warranty for this repair. This video will make awesome evidence in court if they choose to violate Magnussen & Moss.
They legally can't do anything here. The repair is valid. Even though it is a lease, the law protects him. They have to prove this repair was incorrect in court to have a leg to stand on, which isn't going to happen.
He has been through the whole thing before. He won’t give the evidence they need to prove whose Tesla it was. No name, no vin number, no state they live in etc.
@@_PatrickO The law has never stopped Tesla in the past, I don't see them suddenly deciding to follow it now. And the guy already says he doesn't have 16k, I can guarantee you that Tesla's lawyers can make the court case a lot more expensive for him than that.
@@Green__one lol, if they pulled shit at the end of the lease, it would go to court and they lose. The law specifically protects 3rd party repairs from invalidating warranties. If they don't like the legal repair, they are free to replace the pack when the car is returned after the lease is up.
@@_PatrickO Tesla is quite happy to wait for you to sue them. How much are you going to spend on the lawsuit? because they'll make certain that it's more than the amount you'd have to pay otherwise.
Tesla ROUTINELY ignores many laws. They don't care about the law, it's up to you to sue them, and good luck getting out of that more than it costs.
What coolant does it use and how do you fill and bleed?
I'm needing to change cells and balance the battery in my '08 Toyota Prius. Do you have any videos on how to do that?
Awesome to learn new ways to repair these types of things.
My RS5 mmi Hard drive failed. no infotainment screen, no media connection. Just a black screen. Only option was a $5000 part from the dealer plus coding, or maybe I could find a used one. Then I looked over at my Q7 and thought.. hey what if i take the drive from that. copy the files to a $10 replacement drive, making sure they are compatible with the RS5 mmi. I ended up turning a $5000+ dealer trip into a 1 hour $10 repair. Works just like it did before.
It won't be long until a Linux guru figures out how to jailbreak them, and releases the program online, then a complete open source program for them.
Wow. This is absolutely crazy.. I literally apparently “hit something” and what I hit apparently went thru the tire wheel well tub and hit a coolant line. My car lost power and started flashing lights on my screen. I immediately pulled over and noticed a blue liquid pouring out the bottom out of the bottom of my car. I had no idea what it is. So I requested a tow truck. Tesla texted me and asked what happened. I explained what happened and they said, “Oh well the good news is, it’s only battery coolant and the Model 3 can drive short distances with little or no coolant. Just drive it home and schedule an appointment.” So I make an appointment and go to Tesla and the service techs were completely rude. I honestly do not believe I ran over anything. The coolant line busted right where the two white connections connected. So they voided my warranty and charged me $495 for a $8 piece and the rest LABOR!!! I ABSOLUTELY love my Tesla, but their service is CROOKED.. I honestly believe they know NOTHING about cars and they make up charges. I have friends who know people who used to work for Tesla and I heard that the service advisors are being told by their bosses they need to up charge. The whole process was a headache!!! I went to the Tesla repair center in Santa Ana. THEY SUCK!!!!!!
That sucks, not trying to downgrade your situation but at least they didn't need to charge you for an entire batery pack replacement.
This is why they aren't even more expensive from the start. They know if it needs a lightbulb, they are going to charge hundreds. Service is a joke. Unless you're an old lady who drives to church and that's it, something will happen at some point, and they are going to try and charge the hell out of you when it needs even a minor repair.
I'll keep my old trusty Jeep. Never breaks, never lets me down, climbs the biggest dune in Death Valley. What more do we need?
voided your warranty? not legal. Moss Magnuson warranty act says they cannot.
@@chubbysumo2230 at that point it's a process with legal fees. Have to ask if it's even worth it.
It is like buy expensive 9100 MSR from Cisco and one of the SFP?GBIG dying and trying to buy after market cheaper ones that still work and do the job but they will come after you telling you that it voids the warranty you have with them, not cool.
i replaced my front and rear skid plates, with soft aluminum l skid plates. the cost is the same as tesla OEM plastic.
If I was a tech for Tesla & my boss told me that instead of replacing the coolant nipple we have to replace the entire battery it feeds into, I think I might quit on the spot. That's insane
Or..and I'm just spit Ballin here....if your a tech for tesla and don't like fckin people over,just open up your own garage on the side...that way your still in the tesla loop and help others
@@shawnbrownfield9857 I'm sure your average technician has the capital to open a competing garage while being able to work part time for Tesla
@@Temido2222 I don't think the average tech would have the capitol to open a full garage,but just for arguments sake even if he did there's probably provisions in their employment at tesla of a non-compete or a NDA...if tesla is really gonna charge someone 16k for a broken nipple on a battery,do you really think there gonna let a competitor work for em part time?
@@shawnbrownfield9857 True there's a NDA. To this day I've never touched a Tesla as a repair or side job even tho I can do it for cheap. Not worth the risk to lose my job.
@@nicolasur2 I knew there had to be something,way to many teslas and nowhere near enough "garages " or "tesla cert techs"
Louis Rossman agrees with this message
and Clinton the cat.
Not to be too pedantic, but it is actually Rossmann
imgur.com/5h42MPi
@@RichRebuilds flex much?
@@RichRebuilds holy shit is this a crossover episode?
tip: you dont want thread sealant in cooling system. thread insert in ~2 threads (1.5 turns) and then add sealant to the remaining threads.
Why this connection is not made with a threaded insert to begin with is B.S. - yet another fine example of an engineer not knowing what service people deal with on a daily basis. Great repair work and thinking outside the box!!
I've been driving my dad's 1997 Camry LE. This car is 3 years younger than me. And i love it.
I'm an airplane mechanic now, and can work on this car with ease.
My dad paid $18,000 for it. And gave it to me for $2000. Best $2000 i have ever spent. Been driving it for 7 years now. Runs like a clock to this day.
No strong-arming from the manufacturer. (Some parts are a bit pricey but i know I'm paying for good build quality.)
No extortional pricing.
No discarding the whole for a bad part. EVERYTHING is relatively easy to do on this car.
And, if Tesla represents the future of automobiles in this country, I will drive this untill I can't drive it anymore.
Hopefully that won't be anytime soon.
I had a component on the front seat break. Tesla doesn't sell seat parts, they only sell complete seats. NZ$4,700+ sales tax! Luckily there's ebay, I fixed it for $50.
We need Right to Repair and access to parts or we're self-driving into a horrible dystopia.
with the rebate and recent price drop more people would probably be looking into Teslas. kiwi here too. what are your thoughts on the car and would you recommend it to another all over again? cheers mate
@@AP-yt4oo yes. Tesla are crooks but they are the least bad of the car manufacturers. For example unlike vw they have never deliberately cheated on emissions and therefore have never contributed to the early deaths of thousands. Their cars are absolutely fantastic. It's embarrassing how much I love my S100D.
Go with least evil, go with Tesla :)
@@RaglansElectricBaboon cheers mate thanks for the quick reply. I live down south so winter hits hard how's that affected your car? currently drive a plug-in hybrid (Prius plug-in, real reliable go getter) but thinking of going full EV. hopefully we get more mechanics comfortable with servicing these cars, BEV or otherwise.
@@AP-yt4oo just do it, it will work out perfectly. Norway's pretty cold and they seem to cope just fine. It's the best feeling to not buy petrol. No more sponsoring crooks that make the car industry look clean. Go for it.
@@RaglansElectricBaboon Nah, Tesla just cheats on other metrics, like 0-60 time.
I was expecting the fog horn 🤣🤣
This repair is exactly what my local Toyota dealer would do. I had my 91 Toyota pickup stolen. The thief cut my ignition wires leading up to the key cylinder. Toyota didn't bother replacing the whole ignition harness. Nope. They just cut the rest of the ignition wires and crimp 1/4 terminals and shoved it back into the ignition plug. It worked but I could've done that too.
Imagine Toyota coming with a reasonably priced electric car and their level of service and durability
Notice Toyota hardly has an electric vehicle program, especially compared to all the other manufacturers. An article just came out about that in the automotive news industry. There is a reason Toyota is operating this way. The rest of the automakers will find out why over the next 5 years. Mind you, I am not a fan of Toyota, yet I say this.
Toyota was one of the companies that has recantly been lobbying agast right to repair (along with almost every other car manufacturer). I was really disapointed becasue Toyota has always been my favorite.
@@kal5765 that kinda sucks, but on the other hand I trust them more to not act like Tesla. They still find customer satisfaction and service important, Tesla is just a money grabber
@@NFrmrsNFD also, toyota used to invest in tesla. After a while, they removed their investments because they mostly do not agree with musks decisions. I would rather go for honda EV or any VW in few yeara
AFAIK Toyota and Honda are still investing in hydrogen cells versus electric for the time being.
Let the EV wars settle down and rely on their ICE and hybrid models to keep the lights on.
"I'm not trying to bash Tesla"
Why not? It sounds like they deserve some bashing here. This is insane.
Coz of the toxic fanboys lol
Because he's aware of how childish Elon Musk is and how they could still slap him one way or another for bashing his company.
@@kb24theMVP Because it's not only Tesla who is anti-right to repair.
Ford, GM, Nissan, Toyota are also anti-right to repair, they even fund anti-right to repair campaigns and call those who repair their products rapists.
@@paperhouse6282 at least with those other OEMs you mentioned, you can take your car to any other garage and get it fixed.
legal problems
Great video. Reminds me of a book by Dr. Deming I read recently since I am a Manufacturing Technologist. Unfortunately, TESLA is just like everyone else in that their systems are not truly set up for the end user so that the CEOs and/or investors continue to garner profits. I like the module story about the RS7. The module in my wife's Mazda Tribute took a dump. I got a new module online and Mazda in Fort Collins, CO coded it for us for the same cost as a diagnostic.
Imagine paying 350K for a farm tractor, and not being able to do your own repairs !
Similar VW story, different ending:
Someone reversed into our Golf, and a tab broke off the headlight. Since it was designed with repair in mind, I cut off the remaining bit, ordered a repair kit, and screwed it on (both genuine and aftermarket parts available).
So I think Tesla should have a repair kit available, and make a weak point for the nipple to break at a place where it still has enough material to put the new fitting on. Plus the new nipple could also have a weak point, so that you can have it repaired as many times as necessary. :)
That entire nipple could just as easily be a piece that screws on from the outside. Two screws and a seal.
How about a plate that will actually provide protection to the fitting.
It does seem that a design change is in order to make this damage serviceable without battery replacement.
@@PRDMRE exactly that, 160 x $100 kits or one rich guy (insurance company) for $16k
AND PEOPLE STILL think Tesla is promoting Sustainability? it's Apple on wheels it's a smartphone on wheels.
expect a fuckton of E-waste once the warranty runs out.. "Just buy a new one hehe :)"
Tesla is a greenwash..
The magnuson moss warranty act in the US basically forbids Tesla from voiding his whole warranty for that repair. They could void the warranty on that part of the cooling system, but that's about it. They'd also need to prove it's justifiable.
Void the warranty on a part that will outlive the car? I do plumbing so yeah it will last THAT LONG.
@@bunzeebear2973 I mean, Tesla is probably going to be dicks about it and void the warranty of the whole battery pack if not the whole car, but they likely won't have a legal leg to stand on, which was my point.
With that car, I'd be nervous about driving in the winter in upstate New York where I grew up. It's common there to have ice chunks fall out of wheel wells and litter the highway. When you hit those they sometimes fly up under the vehicle. I should think that, to prevent road debris like that from damaging those batteries they'd have a strong metal under cover as an option so that damage causing debris can be deflected.
I'm going into the brass nipple business. $700 to install a brass nipple is good money. And the video is only 30 minutes. You could do two of those a day and still be in the money.
"Our cars are so good for the environment"
"Oh you broke off a simple plastic nipple, HERE IS A COMPLETE NEW BATTERY"
Honestly, fuck this greenwashing moneymaking scheme. :(
"Hmmm, oh that Mad Max toxic dustbowl wasteland in Western China created by rare earth extraction? Don't worry about that. but check THIS out; it's our new 'Techbro Sociopath Mode' that automatically tints the windows when it detects porn playing on the display!"
He's working to make rockets reusable but not cars? Hmmm.
Good point. As I say in another comment, it might not be the right economic decision to replace just the failing cells, because more will fail soon. But environmentally, it's clearly the right decision to use every cell until that cell dies, then replace it cell by cell.
This is why I bought a Chevy Bolt. More dealerships, cheaper insurance, cheaper body shop repairs, less vehicle complexity. Same 100,000 mile battery warrants. Tesla definitely needs to expand the aftermarket repair of their vehicles. Also, we need an aftermarket battery rebuild industry, for EVs to be more viable.
I remember a model 3 with the same issue when I was working in the Service center in Cleveland. I told Peter the lead tech hey I can put a sleeve made of PVC with sealant the system does not hold pressure, I was told we dnt fix we replace it's a liability and Tesla its under the scope always.
(bullshit) Liability... biggest increaser of insurance premiums around...
Only uncle Rich could turn a 60 second repair into 30 minutes of content :D
Easy now, you could damage the plastic thread. Take at least 180 seconds for precision, you only have one shot.
Do you get to keep the old battery when you get a new one?
That would be a deal breaker for me if I wasn't allowed to repair my own vehicle. I would walk first before buying into something like that. Replacing whole assemblies rather than the individual part is becoming the norm with just about everything. I wanted to replace the A/C clutch on my vehicle. I found out that now they expect you to replace the whole A/C pump over a bad clutch. That's the difference between having a shop evacuating the system and recharging it or not! It's incredible that they expected him to shell out $16,000 to replace the battery over a simple plastic fitting.
Yeah it’s an entertaining channel that’s why we watch. Came for the tesla, stayed for rich.
For me it is "Came for Rich, stayed for the zany content he posts!"
“Pirates of propulsion” - I smell merch money. 😎 Hell, I’d buy that shirt.
That's POP. And that makes a beautiful shirt.
Look into the right to repair on the Upcoming Aptera car. It sounds awesome. I understand there are QR codes on all the parts that give you that part number and repair instructions, they will send the parts to you directly or to your mechanic. Its a solar electric car. 0-60 in 3.5 and 1000 mile range . Its coming out this year.
Brilliant solution. However, I assume that he’s leasing the car from Tesla itself. They already know that the car was damaged and they’ll record that as well as the needed repair. I assume they’ll inspect the car at the end of the lease and see that he didn’t replace the battery. They could still charge him for a battery replacement to put the car in the condition required by the terms of his lease. But I suppose he can buy the car at the end of the lease and resell it.
Tesla definitely needs to wake up and see the need for thrid party repairs 🤦🏽♂️
They dont wanna lose money, thats the true reason. Plus some people are really dumb when trying to work on cars. I heard tesla cars hold more power then a house
They had the opportunity to be different but no they’re now in line with every other company
they know, just don't want it to happen
@@HemiLyfestyle A tank full of gasoline holds a lot of potential energy also.
@@h60memo try putting a tesla out though after it catches on fire my bet is your hose won't stop it
Exactly why I sold my Tesla. It was eating parts and Tesla won’t sell them to you and they stopped answered the phone in their highland park service center. Total BS.
what was wrong with it?
Helo Joeywala when you need to drive your car somewhere and it’s broken, it’s a problem when the service center won’t answer the phone. I had the car in for warranty 22 times in the 4 years I owned it. It ate 12 v batteries every 10 months and only Tesla has them.
Great video! I love that there are people out there thinking outside the box. We have become too much of a "throw-away" society. Curious why you couldn't have just used some epoxy to fix the crack on the plastic nipple?
SO I am looking for another trick they did, the 12V battery gave in after 2 years and tried with a 12 V same size NAPAbattery ut it didn't work you had to purchase a tesla battery from the states and ship it to my country to work only for another2 years what secret did they do and how can we bypass that?
Right to Repair should be within the Constitutional Rights.
Sounds like communism to me\s
Constitution eh?
it is. the Constitution enumerates a few rights and says that the rest are held by the people and the states.
Enough with the constitution BS. About as useless as Religion.
Damn Rich. You made a big difference for this guy. Good for him, seems like a good dude. Well done Rich, well done.