*Puts on tinfoil hat Perhaps the final gesture Velen gave Kj was him implanting a bomb inside him as a final "fuck you" by the powers of the holy light... Jk, but still I found it interesting how such a simple gesture can raise such questions, so I decided to go over it anyway, since arguing for/against it would ultimately reveal lore related to Velen and Kil'jaeden anyway. Regardless, I'm glad these two finally got some closure, and the raid is pretty neat so far. What do you guys think of the cutscene/raid?
if the night elves hate the blood elves and the blood elves hate the night elves and what if illidan will make the peace between the night elves and blood elves
I don't think Velen showed anything to Kil'Jaeden. I think all he did was show him that, even after everything, Velen still loved him and forgave him. Kil'jaeden was already constantly shown to have doubts and even implied to have regrets over it all, so imagine how tortured he was thinking that his own brother despised him for such a huge mistake.
Archimonde did die in the twisting nether. Mythic HFC Ends with you and archimonde in the twisting nether and that's where you strike the final blow, however you do end up back in the well real world for the cinematic with Guldan so blizz could definitely pull a "oh no he isn't dead at all" type deal or they could leave him dead, however Kil'jaden is most definitely gone for good.
Yeah, so Archimonde, could be alive. Kil"jaden is definitely dead because he died near a Fel Corrupted planet. Archimonde died on Draenor, so really he could still be alive.
My theory is that Velen is actually rekindling a spark of light within Kil'Jaeden, placing his hand upon the Place where the blessing of the Naaru is received, not only a sign of forgiveness, but a way to also give his very last moments a sense of tranquility as he did afterall, realize his faults. This would also explain the HASTENED explosion that occurred on KJ, as the light would fuse with the fel and cause a rather vile explosion. The Maiden fight only backs this up!
Remember the cinematic from WoD where Alt-Velen gave Yrel the "Mark" thingie? The motion there is almost identical to the one he made here; touching the forehead. It's as much a theory as anything, but I believe it might have roots in Eredar tradition. It might not be a sign of forgiveness, but perhaps a mark of honor of some sort. Their forehead is where the "Mark of the Naaru" is when they use it, and where Velen's own mark hovers. I think it's a dual-part thing: Equal parts a mark of honor of sorts, but also a sign of, perhaps, forgiveness. I dunno. It's ambiguous as heck, but the similarity between this, and what Alt-Velen did to Yrel, seems to be too much to be a simple coincidence. I think there's some connection, which I assume to be rooted in ancient Eredar tradition.
I highly doubt that. We know that Velen can share his visions, but I don't recall there being any mentions anywhere of him being able to pass on his gift. It was, after all, something given to him by the Naaru. It's not really his to give.
I really hope that if we get to fight Sargeras in a Raid, that it's a fight that lasts through the whole raid. Earlier fights being about weakening sargeras directly or not, and later on fighting him on many stages, each of them being considered a boss fight on their own. Maybe we get a fight that is his Heart, or a fight with souls he's reaped from life, world souls he's obliterated, and finally the dark titan himself.
I think it's more than simply forgiveness: it's an act of compassion. Remember: Kil'jaeden created the Scourge and the plague. The same horrifying damnation that greeted Arthas and Sylvanas also waits for him. Velen knows this and there's nothing he can do about it: but he can share the Light with Kil'jaeden one last time. This goes beyond just forgiveness: it is an act of compassion. This makes sense as Velen is by far the most powerful Light-wielder in the lore (much more powerful than the player: his power word barrier is five times the size, and insta-kills demons that run into it). The greatest virtue for those who use the Light is compassion: particularly compassion for one's foes. This therefore is a simple but staggering act of compassion: given the history between the two characters. Thus Kil'jaeden's look of awe. The very idea that Velen would still care how Kil'jaeden was feeling after everything he's done is mind-blowing in itself.
I like to think Velen touch Kayjay's head is just him igniting all his fel energy and making him fucking explode like a bomb. "You have my permission to die now, Kil'jaeden."
I think it was a gesture, Kil'Jaeden had forsaken the light for so long, and at the end Velen saw his true regret in turning from the light and that Kil'Jaeden didn't believe he would feel the touch of the light again. He was relieved that he was able to feel the light one last time.
I like the mind link being reestablished theory. Kil'Jaden smiling because he knew that Velen had forgiven him and saw that he still cared for him and had hoped and prayed to the light that he would see the folly of his ways. The intro cinematic where KJ talked back to Sargeras was very poignant. It seemed KJ realized he had made a mistake.
It looked like to me that Vanlen finished him off. You should check out little lore we have about weapon of sargeras, may be what we will be doing to defeat him on Argus.
Matthew Deleon Anduin got a vision in the short story "Prophet lesson" Tyrande got daily vision from elune according to Wolf Heart Khadgar got a vison about him turning old.
Krucial, love your videos man! Question, since Argus is right next door and we knocked off the right hand man of Sargeras... who is left besides the old gods and the lord of the legion? Also, what if it turns out this this has all been a test, maybe we're the army in which Sargeras needs to take on the void lords?
In my opinion, with what your friend at Blizzard said and how Velen acted in the cinematic, I genuinely think that Velen has either been corrupted or possessed by Sargeras. It's a theory that has been thrown around a few times in the WoW community and I think it's more possible than ever. It also makes what Blizzard said about the end boss being someone we know and has been pulling the strings even more plausible. I don't know, just a thought.
This death scene and the one for Archimonde confuse me. When they actually died were they in the void or were they not. In both cases it seems like their final breath was actually outside of the void.
Sad thing is Archominde never got this kinda treatment honestly we only defeated him oncee truely since the battle of mount hyjal it wasnt even us that killed him which the wisp did all the real winners still have fear and fire nightmares and how hard it was for some people to use the tears but I think having grom as the final boss while guldan escapes an summons him to our world with some story behind it instead of him just showing up would have been great.
When Velen put his hand over KJ head, you can see KJ moving his eyes like if hes looking at somethings... thats what lets me to think that velen actually show something to KJ before he die, so he can die in peace even when he did atrocities againts him own people, because in the end they are brothers. of course velen forgiven him too thats why he show him the vision of Sargeras defeat.
I have a bit of an odd theory. You said Velen showed KJ and Arch "the vision" before those two joined Sargeras and the Burning Legion. If Velen showed KJ, in his final moment "the vision" and KJ was in awe, these visions could not have been the same. Meaning the first was either a "lied" vision or merely part of "the vision". (Remember Velen told KJ that, together, they could have resisted The Burning Legion and/or Sargeras, not that they could have defeated it/him. This also means Velen saw multiple versions of the future through multiple universes in different timeframes. For example: Draenor-Outland are "both" essential to the future of Azeroth) What if; Velen was aware that KJ and Arch would have to join Sargeras in order for events to turn out as they did, for the draenae to flee to Azeroth and Velen to guide us to Argus. Argus had to be corrupted for events to turn out as they will in patch 7.3. Velen could have intentionally shown a different or incomplete vision to KJ and Arch. Why? Because Velen cannot controll these events, he merely sees the possibilities. He knew (or was shown) that if he would tell them everything he saw, they could still join Sargeras and if so, they would be a step ahead of us at every turn. Meaning The Burning Crusade would succeed. Ofcourse the N'aru could have shown an incomplete vision to Velen to have events to turn out as they did, remember Velen was angry about being a prophet and all. Thanks for reading, hope I didn't waste your time or give you a headache.
a vision of sargeras being defeated isn't impossible. it doesn't mean he WILL DEFINITELY be defeated, it just means that it's a POSSIBLE future. remember, velen said that his visions are NOT the future, just POSSIBLE futures and actions must still be taken to make those futures come to fruition. the problem is you can't really know exactly WHAT actions to take
i think it was a blessing of the narru or something like that . He's fel blood and fel energy just exploded and the light power came to him . that's just my theory but maybe is it real
So when are we going to see Archimonde 3.0? He's still technically alive and on Argus regaining power. So do we kill him next raid right before fighting an Avatar of Sargeras?
I was expecting that kiljaeden would have won against us and illidan and khadgar, but velen uses his superpowers to defeat him on it's own, using the power of the light and the naaru, he would have defeated him through the visions and flashbacks that would shatter kiljaeden's soul which would give us the seccond chance of defeating him, just like tirion did against arthas
Alright so I quit a couple months into Legion. I'm following most of the things happening but the one thing i somehow missed is that Illidan is suddenly alive and well? Last I knew was his corpse beeing stolen by the legion. Could some1 fill in the blanks?
I have a theory that what Velen does is show Kil'jaeden the reason Velen left Argus with several of their people, instead of joining Kil'jaeden and Archimonde in helping Sargeras ending all life to prevent the Void Gods (Remember, that this is now the official reasoning for Sargeras' actions. He does not hate life, he reasons that he needs to destroy it all to stop the Void Gods, and even states that life might come back and hopes it does). In the grand scheme of things I believe that Velen might have received a vision from the Naaru showing him a line of choices and decisions that would lead to the timeline and outcomes that has the largest possibility for saving the majority of life in the universe and defeating the Void Gods / maintaining a balance. It is clearly established that there exists nearly endless different timelines in the Warcraft universe where small or large differences produce very different outcomes. Thus, it is possible that the Naaru has shown Velen several visions and futures showing him all the terrible decisions, consequences and fates that are necessary for achieving this "best possible timeline for winning". It may be so that this certain timeline is the one that maximizes our chance of persuading Sargeras or at least getting some help from him in terms of redeeming the Azeroth Titan Soul or defeating the Void Gods. Now, there are many leaps of faith in this theory and some contradictions to be sure, but some old and recent lore supports it. The entire issue of the Infinite Dragonflight could be explained through this theory. The entire issue between Velen and Kil'jaeden, as well as Kil'jaedens character could be explained by it as well. The Legion and Sargeras makes more sense and is given much more depth. In a very broad view of Warcraft lore, it does make sense.
He did that so that he would be the one to land the last strike.at death there is little relief fear r anything at all.that was a dyeing eredar and velen concentrated the light onto his head to make the additional cracks appear.as it was he would be died a slow painful but inevitable death as the ship crashed into Argus.but Velen for all that had happened for all he was to suffer he took the final blow forced enough light into his brothers head so the fuel within within would react and explode.
We still have to wait for Kil'Jaeden to be defeated in Mythic! Since there could be a completely different cinematic! As you remember the Broken Shore cinematics for Alliance and Horde look similar the cuts are very different! This too can happen in Mythic, where Velen actually saves Kil'Jaeden which is not impossible! Velen could turn Kil'Jaeden into being of Light!
I have my own theory. It links to what the final boss of legion may be and what the gesture was. If you remember earlier in legion when gul'dan killed varian wrynn by placing his hand on him and then varian's body started glowing with green cracks/lines. My theory is what if Velen saddened by the death of his Son or he just gives in to the corruption turns to Sargeras and as one more try to get him on board sargeras promises that he will bring back velen's Son. After thinking about it Velen gives In and accepts the agreement, but decides to destroy us from the inside by acting like he's still on our side. As I said earlier how Gul'dan killed Varian and those green lines appeared, think about what happened when Valen placed his hand on kil'jaedan's head. Green lines appeared. My theory is that as blizzard hinted earlier in legion about how the final boss would be someone who had been working with us for nearly all of legion and we wouldn't expect it. What if in the end of legion when we are about to kill sargeras velen suddenly freezes You in mid air and to the shock of khadgar, Illadin, you and whoever else will be there turns into a giant twisted form of his original self and fights us. If this happenes I will be so happy, Also if you want to put this in a video or something please credit me.Thanks!
Velen's son was a Man'Ari, a demon, yes. But before that he was an Eredar - like Velen, Kil'Jaeden and everyone else. He was just corrupted like the rest of the Eredar who joined the Legion.
I think that the gesture was just a simple way of saying Good Bye.. to an old brother. They saw each other as brothers. As family. Which was why Kiljaden felt betrayed by Velen when he didnt chose to side with him back during the Sargeras corrupting them time. Even after all the things had hapened. He used to be friends, brothers. And this is just a Good bye. Cus this time, Kiljaden was being destroyed. Ending everything the Drenai had gone thru, all the worlds they were hunted on, the wholle orcs butchering the drenai of Draenor. It all ended there. You know... Kiljaden was a threat to Velen.. But he probably always believed that he could redeem him. EVen with all the hate. Maybe this was his last atempt at that. And Kiljaden just accepted it. His final moment with his friend. Who he never really hated... Just hurt by him.
Part of me wants velen to have done something so that KJ is still alive but has been purified in some way and the expansion ends with them ruling argus together once again. I know it sounds kinda dumb but I think it would be a nice ending. Or, perhaps velen is corrupted by N'zoth and is placing the void in KJ's mind in order to corrupt him so that blizzard can bring him back again and again and again
I knew Archimonde was more evil than Kiljaeden. One tell tale factor in this end is: Kiljaeden nearly wiped out the draenei with *feeling*. Archimonde consumed countless worlds with *none*.
Do you believe Kil'jaeden is dead? Since the fight ends in Argus (between The Twisting Nether and The Great Dark Beyond).. My point is, there is no way we're going to fight Sargeras, lorewise it would be a HUGE flop to be able to even engage Sargeras in combat. So are we actually finishing Kil'jaeden in Argus? (I believe he deserves a more intense ending, one of the greatest villains can't be killed in 1 raid).. and if not, who are we seeing in Argus?
I would be scared if Velen saw true regret and, being himself now unfaithful with the light, he switched places with Kil'jaeden, so that he, with renewed faith, could lead better than Velen now could. But I feel that's far stretched =)
How about this, rather than reflecting on what that gesture was, because I really don't care either way now. Let's look at it from this point of view. Here is a guy, Kil'Jaeden, who committed evil willingly, willingly...decided to go own the road of darkness on his own, no squid monsters, no voices in his head making him do it, driving him to madness, he made the choice to become what he is...and we get this nice little send off for him. A subtle gesture from his long time friend and brother, someone he has known probably far longer than being in the service of Sargeras himself...and yet, we don't have something similar for Deathwing or Malygos. No last minute thought of really feeling sorry, maybe thinking that if Alex could have been more attentive, or looked after her two brothers, maybe the thing that led them to become what they became wouldn't have happened. But nope! We get a cinematic about how Aggra's gonna have a baby! Because that's more important! Let's just get one thing clear here, we're being made to feel sorry for a person who WILLINGLY committed evil, and not for a person who was forced and tormented, and tortured because of what he was created to be...who under duress was made to commit atrocities. We get a cinematic to feel sorry for Kil'Jaeden, but not Neltharion? Instead, he just pops into sparkles, and the cinematic afterwards is we must now pay attention to Aggra's pregnancy? This is what pisses me off about Warcraft and why I left it. And it's not like they've done the sympathetic cinematic before. Arthas had a sympathetic cinematic. No, Blizzard, you don't get to have this.
![Illidan Returns & Kills Gul’dan: Archimonde vs. Kil'jaeden - All Cinematics [20 years of WoW]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1VILvOpn2w4/mqdefault.jpg)
*Puts on tinfoil hat
Perhaps the final gesture Velen gave Kj was him implanting a bomb inside him as a final "fuck you" by the powers of the holy light... Jk, but still I found it interesting how such a simple gesture can raise such questions, so I decided to go over it anyway, since arguing for/against it would ultimately reveal lore related to Velen and Kil'jaeden anyway. Regardless, I'm glad these two finally got some closure, and the raid is pretty neat so far. What do you guys think of the cutscene/raid?
Krucial I FUCKIN LOVE IT! altho i was wondering where Maiev went?
**Velen touches Kil'jaeden**
Velen: "nigga fuck you lmao"
Kil'jaeden : " :( "
Krucial the first time I saw the cinematic I thought Velen made KJ explode lol
Is Kil'jaeden 100% dead or is his soul just in the Twisted Nether
if the night elves hate the blood elves and the blood elves hate the night elves and what if illidan will make the peace between the night elves and blood elves
The truth is kil'jaeden was only 1hp left after fight with us, so velen finnish him and quick take loot
velen is a fucking ninja
Finnish?
I don't think Velen showed anything to Kil'Jaeden.
I think all he did was show him that, even after everything, Velen still loved him and forgave him. Kil'jaeden was already constantly shown to have doubts and even implied to have regrets over it all, so imagine how tortured he was thinking that his own brother despised him for such a huge mistake.
What about Archimonde, technically he's not dead yet. He never died in the Twisting Nether.
Archimonde did die in the twisting nether. Mythic HFC Ends with you and archimonde in the twisting nether and that's where you strike the final blow, however you do end up back in the well real world for the cinematic with Guldan so blizz could definitely pull a "oh no he isn't dead at all" type deal or they could leave him dead, however Kil'jaden is most definitely gone for good.
Yeah, so Archimonde, could be alive. Kil"jaden is definitely dead because he died near a Fel Corrupted planet. Archimonde died on Draenor, so really he could still be alive.
I think he just killed his ass, Kil'Jaeden had it coming.
Why is kil jaeden red?
My theory is that Velen is actually rekindling a spark of light within Kil'Jaeden, placing his hand upon the Place where the blessing of the Naaru is received, not only a sign of forgiveness, but a way to also give his very last moments a sense of tranquility as he did afterall, realize his faults. This would also explain the HASTENED explosion that occurred on KJ, as the light would fuse with the fel and cause a rather vile explosion. The Maiden fight only backs this up!
Niclas E Yeah, this what I immediately assumed as well when I first saw this cinematic.
Remember the cinematic from WoD where Alt-Velen gave Yrel the "Mark" thingie? The motion there is almost identical to the one he made here; touching the forehead. It's as much a theory as anything, but I believe it might have roots in Eredar tradition. It might not be a sign of forgiveness, but perhaps a mark of honor of some sort. Their forehead is where the "Mark of the Naaru" is when they use it, and where Velen's own mark hovers.
I think it's a dual-part thing: Equal parts a mark of honor of sorts, but also a sign of, perhaps, forgiveness.
I dunno. It's ambiguous as heck, but the similarity between this, and what Alt-Velen did to Yrel, seems to be too much to be a simple coincidence. I think there's some connection, which I assume to be rooted in ancient Eredar tradition.
Kind Bars oh no...
I also like to think Velen blesses KJ with gift of the Naruu to ease his pain in the end
The thing Alt-velen gave Yrel was the gift of sight (The vision into the vision velen gets) basicly yrel can now see velsn vision.
I highly doubt that. We know that Velen can share his visions, but I don't recall there being any mentions anywhere of him being able to pass on his gift. It was, after all, something given to him by the Naaru. It's not really his to give.
Great to have you back mr. Krucial! Always enjoying your videos!
Maybe he was saying with his mind "In the light, we are one" if so that would be pretty awesome.
I really hope that if we get to fight Sargeras in a Raid, that it's a fight that lasts through the whole raid. Earlier fights being about weakening sargeras directly or not, and later on fighting him on many stages, each of them being considered a boss fight on their own. Maybe we get a fight that is his Heart, or a fight with souls he's reaped from life, world souls he's obliterated, and finally the dark titan himself.
Velen wanted to execute a lay on hands on killy..
and realized hes just a fking priest.
Theory: the giant facture in Argus is where a fel-infused titan soul was released. Argus had a titan in it.
Aww man mind-link would be great since you put it like that. Now i wish they did it
How the fuck does that say "Posted 15 hours ago"
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Gruks Nars prob a patron
brayden daustin he is a time traveler
KJ has golden eyes in the cinematic? nice. fav character right here, thx for doing a video on our boi k'jay
I always thought he just showed him his vision of our victory? It was sight of relief and shock.
New WoW commentator here! Would highly appreciate a quick look, great vid btw man lots of information on the subject :D
Welcome back dude. Missed your videos.
:D
Gallywix and Sargeras reunited
Good video dude, i hope that Sargeras will go on our side to fight void lord.
I think it's more than simply forgiveness: it's an act of compassion. Remember: Kil'jaeden created the Scourge and the plague. The same horrifying damnation that greeted Arthas and Sylvanas also waits for him. Velen knows this and there's nothing he can do about it: but he can share the Light with Kil'jaeden one last time. This goes beyond just forgiveness: it is an act of compassion. This makes sense as Velen is by far the most powerful Light-wielder in the lore (much more powerful than the player: his power word barrier is five times the size, and insta-kills demons that run into it). The greatest virtue for those who use the Light is compassion: particularly compassion for one's foes. This therefore is a simple but staggering act of compassion: given the history between the two characters. Thus Kil'jaeden's look of awe. The very idea that Velen would still care how Kil'jaeden was feeling after everything he's done is mind-blowing in itself.
I thought the touch is connected to Kil'jaeden's head exploding. IDK how, but the timing was too on point.
i think purely that it was a sign of forgivness and releaving of kj's pain in his last moments
valen want to see his wife location so they can make reaklesh 2.0
tyler Rochester reaklesh
I like to think Velen touch Kayjay's head is just him igniting all his fel energy and making him fucking explode like a bomb. "You have my permission to die now, Kil'jaeden."
I think it was a gesture, Kil'Jaeden had forsaken the light for so long, and at the end Velen saw his true regret in turning from the light and that Kil'Jaeden didn't believe he would feel the touch of the light again. He was relieved that he was able to feel the light one last time.
Nice vid krucial glad ur back😀
I like the mind link being reestablished theory. Kil'Jaden smiling because he knew that Velen had forgiven him and saw that he still cared for him and had hoped and prayed to the light that he would see the folly of his ways. The intro cinematic where KJ talked back to Sargeras was very poignant. It seemed KJ realized he had made a mistake.
i think it was a simple pulse of light. a snack to remind him what light felt like. he's been surrounded by darkness and fel for millenia.
Damn you did your homework great thoughts at the end!
Keep it up!
"The boy king serves at the masters table, three lies will he offer you."
Keep this in mind when we deal with Illidan.
Jordan Akama
Illidan is not young (a boy), nor a king.
"The boy king" is Anduin Wrynn with 99.9% surety.
It looked like to me that Vanlen finished him off.
You should check out little lore we have about weapon of sargeras, may be what we will be doing to defeat him on Argus.
I believe that the gesture was just him forgiving Kil'jaedon and that Kil felt at peace knowing he was going to die in peace and forgiveness
holy light in a nutshell.........
YOU GET A VISION! YOU GET A VISION! EVERYBODY GETS A VISION! who's next on the vision list? anduin?khadgar?tyrande?
Matthew Deleon Anduin got a vision in the short story "Prophet lesson"
Tyrande got daily vision from elune according to Wolf Heart
Khadgar got a vison about him turning old.
Reunited and it feeeelssss so goooooodddd
I'd assume/think it's a sign of forgiveness and maybe a sort of blessing-priest thing to help make Kil'Jaeden's passing less painful- physically.
Krucial, love your videos man! Question, since Argus is right next door and we knocked off the right hand man of Sargeras... who is left besides the old gods and the lord of the legion? Also, what if it turns out this this has all been a test, maybe we're the army in which Sargeras needs to take on the void lords?
What if it was forgiveness by showing him a vision of the future? Kil'Jaeden did say he might be able to prove him wrong.
I think that he used some kind of spell to ease Kil'jaeden's pain
In my opinion, with what your friend at Blizzard said and how Velen acted in the cinematic, I genuinely think that Velen has either been corrupted or possessed by Sargeras. It's a theory that has been thrown around a few times in the WoW community and I think it's more possible than ever. It also makes what Blizzard said about the end boss being someone we know and has been pulling the strings even more plausible. I don't know, just a thought.
can kiljaiden truly be killed outside the nether?
nope but this time we killed him right next to Argus. and planets heavily corrupted by the fel are considered to be in the nether.
Correct - it's been confirmed that demons that die on a Argus (in this case they were literally within sight of it) die permanently.
This death scene and the one for Archimonde confuse me. When they actually died were they in the void or were they not. In both cases it seems like their final breath was actually outside of the void.
Hey doesn't the whole linked to the twisting nether also apply to Kil'Jaeden. Since it applies to Archimonde
Sad thing is Archominde never got this kinda treatment honestly we only defeated him oncee truely since the battle of mount hyjal it wasnt even us that killed him which the wisp did all the real winners still have fear and fire nightmares and how hard it was for some people to use the tears but I think having grom as the final boss while guldan escapes an summons him to our world with some story behind it instead of him just showing up would have been great.
Woah that was deep
Bro great your videos as always, when you create the warrior fury 7.2.5 guide?
When Velen put his hand over KJ head, you can see KJ moving his eyes like if hes looking at somethings... thats what lets me to think that velen actually show something to KJ before he die, so he can die in peace even when he did atrocities againts him own people, because in the end they are brothers. of course velen forgiven him too thats why he show him the vision of Sargeras defeat.
I have a bit of an odd theory.
You said Velen showed KJ and Arch "the vision" before those two joined Sargeras and the Burning Legion. If Velen showed KJ, in his final moment "the vision" and KJ was in awe, these visions could not have been the same. Meaning the first was either a "lied" vision or merely part of "the vision".
(Remember Velen told KJ that, together, they could have resisted The Burning Legion and/or Sargeras, not that they could have defeated it/him. This also means Velen saw multiple versions of the future through multiple universes in different timeframes. For example: Draenor-Outland are "both" essential to the future of Azeroth)
What if;
Velen was aware that KJ and Arch would have to join Sargeras in order for events to turn out as they did, for the draenae to flee to Azeroth and Velen to guide us to Argus. Argus had to be corrupted for events to turn out as they will in patch 7.3. Velen could have intentionally shown a different or incomplete vision to KJ and Arch.
Why? Because Velen cannot controll these events, he merely sees the possibilities. He knew (or was shown) that if he would tell them everything he saw, they could still join Sargeras and if so, they would be a step ahead of us at every turn. Meaning The Burning Crusade would succeed.
Ofcourse the N'aru could have shown an incomplete vision to Velen to have events to turn out as they did, remember Velen was angry about being a prophet and all.
Thanks for reading, hope I didn't waste your time or give you a headache.
a vision of sargeras being defeated isn't impossible. it doesn't mean he WILL DEFINITELY be defeated, it just means that it's a POSSIBLE future. remember, velen said that his visions are NOT the future, just POSSIBLE futures and actions must still be taken to make those futures come to fruition. the problem is you can't really know exactly WHAT actions to take
What the title of the music at the end and where can I find it. I adore it
Question!: Kil'jaeden wasnt slain within the twisting nether was he?? So wouldnt that mean he will be reborn again?
i think it was a blessing of the narru or something like that . He's fel blood and fel energy just exploded and the light power came to him . that's just my theory but maybe is it real
So when are we going to see Archimonde 3.0? He's still technically alive and on Argus regaining power. So do we kill him next raid right before fighting an Avatar of Sargeras?
I was expecting that kiljaeden would have won against us and illidan and khadgar, but velen uses his superpowers to defeat him on it's own, using the power of the light and the naaru, he would have defeated him through the visions and flashbacks that would shatter kiljaeden's soul which would give us the seccond chance of defeating him, just like tirion did against arthas
just question if demon dies in twisting nether or heavy fel infested area can the slain demon be resurrected by another powerful demon?
Holy shit. This I probably the worst case of "I-need-to-hit-that-10min-mark" I have ever seen. The last third of the video felt like a loop.
Alright so I quit a couple months into Legion. I'm following most of the things happening but the one thing i somehow missed is that Illidan is suddenly alive and well? Last I knew was his corpse beeing stolen by the legion. Could some1 fill in the blanks?
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I have a theory that what Velen does is show Kil'jaeden the reason Velen left Argus with several of their people, instead of joining Kil'jaeden and Archimonde in helping Sargeras ending all life to prevent the Void Gods (Remember, that this is now the official reasoning for Sargeras' actions. He does not hate life, he reasons that he needs to destroy it all to stop the Void Gods, and even states that life might come back and hopes it does).
In the grand scheme of things I believe that Velen might have received a vision from the Naaru showing him a line of choices and decisions that would lead to the timeline and outcomes that has the largest possibility for saving the majority of life in the universe and defeating the Void Gods / maintaining a balance. It is clearly established that there exists nearly endless different timelines in the Warcraft universe where small or large differences produce very different outcomes. Thus, it is possible that the Naaru has shown Velen several visions and futures showing him all the terrible decisions, consequences and fates that are necessary for achieving this "best possible timeline for winning". It may be so that this certain timeline is the one that maximizes our chance of persuading Sargeras or at least getting some help from him in terms of redeeming the Azeroth Titan Soul or defeating the Void Gods.
Now, there are many leaps of faith in this theory and some contradictions to be sure, but some old and recent lore supports it. The entire issue of the Infinite Dragonflight could be explained through this theory. The entire issue between Velen and Kil'jaeden, as well as Kil'jaedens character could be explained by it as well. The Legion and Sargeras makes more sense and is given much more depth. In a very broad view of Warcraft lore, it does make sense.
He did that so that he would be the one to land the last strike.at death there is little relief fear r anything at all.that was a dyeing eredar and velen concentrated the light onto his head to make the additional cracks appear.as it was he would be died a slow painful but inevitable death as the ship crashed into Argus.but Velen for all that had happened for all he was to suffer he took the final blow forced enough light into his brothers head so the fuel within within would react and explode.
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We still have to wait for Kil'Jaeden to be defeated in Mythic!
Since there could be a completely different cinematic!
As you remember the Broken Shore cinematics for Alliance and Horde look similar the cuts are very different!
This too can happen in Mythic, where Velen actually saves Kil'Jaeden which is not impossible!
Velen could turn Kil'Jaeden into being of Light!
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What's the name of the music track playing at the very end of the video?
Why are KJ and Archimonde so big? They once were just as "small" as Velen..
I believe they could of made it so that velen gave him the mark of the naaru and the power would have overwhelmed him, that's what I would have done
I have my own theory. It links to what the final boss of legion may be and what the gesture was. If you remember earlier in legion when gul'dan killed varian wrynn by placing his hand on him and then varian's body started glowing with green cracks/lines. My theory is what if Velen saddened by the death of his Son or he just gives in to the corruption turns to Sargeras and as one more try to get him on board sargeras promises that he will bring back velen's Son. After thinking about it Velen gives In and accepts the agreement, but decides to destroy us from the inside by acting like he's still on our side. As I said earlier how Gul'dan killed Varian and those green lines appeared, think about what happened when Valen placed his hand on kil'jaedan's head. Green lines appeared. My theory is that as blizzard hinted earlier in legion about how the final boss would be someone who had been working with us for nearly all of legion and we wouldn't expect it. What if in the end of legion when we are about to kill sargeras velen suddenly freezes You in mid air and to the shock of khadgar, Illadin, you and whoever else will be there turns into a giant twisted form of his original self and fights us. If this happenes I will be so happy, Also if you want to put this in a video or something please credit me.Thanks!
is KJ actually dead like did he die in the twisting nether? or will he just be back?
isnt velen son a demon? isnt him reborn on one of the planets of the legion...? also kj?
chanekeys no. demons die permanently when they are killed in the twisting nether.
so Rakeesh will come back sometime. but not Kil'jaeden
Velen's son was a Man'Ari, a demon, yes. But before that he was an Eredar - like Velen, Kil'Jaeden and everyone else. He was just corrupted like the rest of the Eredar who joined the Legion.
The son can be reborn yes, Kil'jaeden no... since he died in the nether
Vinzenz Stein Ferrari Freitas it seems he is permanently dead as far as we know
that velen fan arts are bad ass
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Is he really dead ? I'm allways a bit confused with the manari deaths or legion creatures
Which music is played in the cinematic? I cannot figure it out 😶
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I think that the gesture was just a simple way of saying Good Bye.. to an old brother. They saw each other as brothers. As family. Which was why Kiljaden felt betrayed by Velen when he didnt chose to side with him back during the Sargeras corrupting them time. Even after all the things had hapened. He used to be friends, brothers. And this is just a Good bye. Cus this time, Kiljaden was being destroyed. Ending everything the Drenai had gone thru, all the worlds they were hunted on, the wholle orcs butchering the drenai of Draenor. It all ended there. You know... Kiljaden was a threat to Velen.. But he probably always believed that he could redeem him. EVen with all the hate. Maybe this was his last atempt at that. And Kiljaden just accepted it. His final moment with his friend. Who he never really hated... Just hurt by him.
I personally think it was some sort of last rite.
Part of me wants velen to have done something so that KJ is still alive but has been purified in some way and the expansion ends with them ruling argus together once again. I know it sounds kinda dumb but I think it would be a nice ending. Or, perhaps velen is corrupted by N'zoth and is placing the void in KJ's mind in order to corrupt him so that blizzard can bring him back again and again and again
So now we are discussing a touch lol
by the way kill jaeden is realy dead or he can come back like archimonde ?
why does Krucial have HELLSCREAM s VOICE
In my opinion it looked like hatred from velen and acceptance from KJ that he was dieing
Isn't Rakeesh technically still alive? He sure looked like he was full on demon meaning his soul would return to the nether.
I knew Archimonde was more evil than Kiljaeden. One tell tale factor in this end is: Kiljaeden nearly wiped out the draenei with *feeling*. Archimonde consumed countless worlds with *none*.
Cenk Angur Oh yes. Kiljaeden is such a tsundere. Started a genocide of his own people because he loved his brother. How noble of him.
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Do you believe Kil'jaeden is dead? Since the fight ends in Argus (between The Twisting Nether and The Great Dark Beyond)..
My point is, there is no way we're going to fight Sargeras, lorewise it would be a HUGE flop to be able to even engage Sargeras in combat. So are we actually finishing Kil'jaeden in Argus? (I believe he deserves a more intense ending, one of the greatest villains can't be killed in 1 raid).. and if not, who are we seeing in Argus?
What did Illidan do? Why that concern on Kadghar face?
Dusan Djordjevic connected Argus to Azeroth. Forcing Azeroth on a suicide mission.
i like Velen
Well KJ is a demon. His soul could be in the Twisting Nether. Although the fight was close to Argus.
shame, if it was not a mind link but it still may have happened we never know
how did kil jaeden die he wasnt in the void or whatever is called where there you can only kill demons so kil jaeden is still alive
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I would be scared if Velen saw true regret and, being himself now unfaithful with the light, he switched places with Kil'jaeden, so that he, with renewed faith, could lead better than Velen now could. But I feel that's far stretched =)
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How about this, rather than reflecting on what that gesture was, because I really don't care either way now. Let's look at it from this point of view. Here is a guy, Kil'Jaeden, who committed evil willingly, willingly...decided to go own the road of darkness on his own, no squid monsters, no voices in his head making him do it, driving him to madness, he made the choice to become what he is...and we get this nice little send off for him. A subtle gesture from his long time friend and brother, someone he has known probably far longer than being in the service of Sargeras himself...and yet, we don't have something similar for Deathwing or Malygos.
No last minute thought of really feeling sorry, maybe thinking that if Alex could have been more attentive, or looked after her two brothers, maybe the thing that led them to become what they became wouldn't have happened. But nope! We get a cinematic about how Aggra's gonna have a baby! Because that's more important!
Let's just get one thing clear here, we're being made to feel sorry for a person who WILLINGLY committed evil, and not for a person who was forced and tormented, and tortured because of what he was created to be...who under duress was made to commit atrocities. We get a cinematic to feel sorry for Kil'Jaeden, but not Neltharion? Instead, he just pops into sparkles, and the cinematic afterwards is we must now pay attention to Aggra's pregnancy?
This is what pisses me off about Warcraft and why I left it. And it's not like they've done the sympathetic cinematic before. Arthas had a sympathetic cinematic.
No, Blizzard, you don't get to have this.
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but what about Archimonde? :P i like him too
He is dead. We killed him in Hellfire Citadel on alternate Draenor.
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