Same. I have a recto 412 and recently bought a recto 212. Music is all about feel for me so the 212 is going back. The 412 pushes more air and resonates too well to ever put a 212 in the same sonic ballpark. As for the weight, I have arthritis in my back and still use Les Pauls and a solid birch oversized 412 cab and I've never once complained about the weight.
Mark R really depends on the cabs, there are some really nice 2x12s that have a full sound, but in my experience a 412 probably probably about 25% more bottom end
PS. do you know which of the Marshall cabs have best speakers for bottom end ,412 or 212? I don't know much about differences in dynamics from Greenbacks to Celestion's or whatever else is available. Looking for good low end 412 cab. Thanks again.
Just ONE thing you're missing here: INSPIRATION. When I'm wailing on Blues at home in my studio, there is NOTHING like a massive wall of sound inspiring me to play my heart out.
I thought the same thing so I built 2 - 2 x12 cabinets. And then I sold off the 5 - 4 x 12 cabinets that I had. I've been regretting it for a long time so I decided to build a 4 x 12. Nothing beats a wall of sound. 2 x 12's are good but they, in no way replace a 4 x 12. In my humble opinion 4 x 12 is the way to go.
I’ve always had issues with sound dispersion, cause I guess I’m one of the few guitarists that doesn’t want to crank up. This video actually made me want a 4x12. Thanks! 🤣
Actually, the best sound is always two 1960B cabs side by side. The harmonics and clarity is insane, and it even means I can turn down my master vol and I still hear myself better
There's dummy/empty 4×12 cabs you can get with no speakers in them. Or just buy a cheap cabinet, yank the speakers out, put some fake cones in there for visual effect. You'd be surprised how many rock bands do that - just hook the amp up to some dinky little 1×12 cab hidden somewhere the audience can't see it, mic that up to go into the PA, put the amp on an empty or dummy-loaded 412 for visual effect.
I absolutely agree, i used to use an Orange 4x12 and an Orange OR30, but after a while i got tired of all these issues. Now i use a Harley Benton vertical 2x12 with vintage 30s and an Orange CR120 head, and it saved my back, and my bandmates haven't complained about anything.
No. lol. To each their own. You're correct about the volume issue. But, I have never played a 2x12 that has the same feel as a 4x12. They're just pushing more air. The Orange PPC212 gets close but still not quite the same.
I always played Marshall/Fender Heads and Quads in bands. Awesome. Given the bands away, too old, bought a Vox AC15 Combo as I always wanted one. First Combo ever. Couldn't get the sound I wanted until I plugged it into a Marshall Quad and WOW. Do yourself a favor! I play in my room/studio at around 80.0 and 85.0 dBAs and it is Marshall Quads Forever! Surfin' with Vox and Marshall!!
I love my 4x12. I’ll never give her up. I’ll ADD a 2x12 with unique voicing to my rig so I’ll have the option for whatever suits my mood. Shoot, I have 11 acres and I’m going to enjoy cranking my rig up to 11 in the barn whenever I want to without being sorry.
2 months ago I did a deep spring cleaning and sold a boatload of my guitar gear that I don't use much. As a matter of fact one of those items was my Peavey 6505 412 cab. I was glad to regain the space in my man-cave. Just the other day I see an almost new AMPEG 412 cab for sale and it really tempted me to buy it. THANK YOU for reminding me why I sold my previous 412 cab in the first place!! ... My wife thanks you too :)
So valid! Its more about quality of sound versus the mundane and overly subjective points of view from this video. I dislike this video for it's purely opinionated "tips" rooted in speculatory garble
How much better? 2%? 8.5%? there are so many factors that come in to play that you're vague statement holds no weight. He got in to things that had nothing to do with sound. You can get a 2X12 to sound amazing. There are people that can make a pignose sound great.
@Dirtypussy Tornadokick 15 def is an underrated guitar speaker. I do love my 2x12 though , play through that most of the time. I also love my 1960a cab but I kinda hate speakers pointing right at my head unless it's a gig or practice / jam situation and I can't hear anything. Then it's a life saver!
One of the best compromises might be the vertical 2x12. They're relatively hard to find but I've usually seen them as having an angled top speaking, like a half 1960A cab. More manufacturers should get behind that form factor.
I have a Marshall 1936 & just bought a 1960a & retuned it. I don't like the angle cabinet. all you hear is the bass. The rest sounds compressed not as open as my 2x12.
@@lightninginmyhands4878 yes, they are just different a B cab is thicker deeper more punch feels like. Take a look at Marshall's website on any of their 196a/b cabs it will tell you the same thing. And it's really true. But everyone is different I suppose
Thanks man. I’m in the process of planning and building my rig. I’ve been playing for thirty years but I’ve never actually took the time to learn the technical side. I just played around with volumes and gains on my on my little practice amp. It’s time now to finally finding dialing in my tone. So many options.
4x12 days are over. I'm in my late 50's and don't need to carry a 4x12. I bought a Marshall 2536 2x12,it's the Silver Jubilee cab, 2 Vintage 30's, made of Birch Plywood, it's huge but not huge enough that i can't carry it and fit it into my trunk of my car. I could not get a 4x12 in the trunk of my car let alone lift it into the trunk without F-ing up my back. But this 2536 cabinet has lots of balls and low end. . And who ever you play out to live will NEVER notice the difference. Audiences have no clue. All they want it to have fun and drink.
*_I just played a sold out show at Wembley Stadium with my djent-metal band using only a Fender Frontman 10G. The show got shut down because we apparently broke the sound ordinance law for being too loud. The sound guy even removed the mic to my Frontman and just let the amp blast into the crowd, but it was still too much power. Nothing we could do._*
The thing about it is, even tho the power is evenly distributed, because of the number of speakers the sound coming out the two cabs are remarkably different. The 4x12 delivers a better QUALITY of sound than the 2x12. 🙂
This dude with a man bun is sole reason I went out to buy two 4×12 240w cabinets, 1992 peavey 5150 120w amp, Orange Rockerverb mkiii III 100, Orange Super Crush 100watt. 😂😂😂
I use a 2 x 12 with my heart with Marshall and I'm very satisfied with it actually I think that you're right at the angle you'll get the same sound and actually the other two will go up towards the ceiling with a 4 table and everybody will be annoyed I'm glad I saw your video I think it's very informative and I think people should probably buy a stand like that that's a great idea
The last two speakers were added to duo cabs [edit: to make quadboxes] back in the day to disperse the power so they wouldn't blow speakers, not to add volume.
Number of speakers doesn't have anything to do with volume (DBs or SPL), first DB's don't add linearly, second you will reduce the watts going to each speaker using the same volume level, so in the end for increased volume you should use less speakers with higher SPL. More speakers = more sound distribution which is good for a venue but bad to monitor your playing. Micking cabs, is guitar voodoo more than anything, since a good producer/sound engineer can output the same sound from a guitar signal without much effort.
This aint about what i need, its about what i want.. i love overkill, always have.. NEVER getting rid of my 4×12s. Ive been playing longer than this guy has been alive.
What you said makes sense. I have lugged a 412 with a head for many years. I found a set of ADA 212's with celestions that sound great on stage and MUCH easier to carry. But, the wall in the studio is still full of 412's, so when some sterilization is needed anyone can plug in and melt. But they don't move anymore...
Good video, been a long time orange 4x12 user with my OR100. Now, we use combo amps in our doom band and I couldn’t be happier, running a 59 bassman and it holds up just as well.
I ditched my 412 for a sealed 112. I angle it back in front of me like a monitor. The sound man is happy, the band is happy and the audience is happy. I can hear as much or as little of it as I want by reaching down and twisting the volume without affecting anyone else. Our mix has never been cleaner and is still earth shakingly heavy. Just proves you don't need a heavy amp to have a heavy sound.
I played with a guitarist who had 2 Mesa 2x12s. So easy to moderate angle and volume. During gigs, he'd have one between him and the drummer and the other at the other end of the stage. He bought them for $200 each in almost new condition.
We used to put one of my 412s on my side and the other on the Bass player's side. He had one 215 on my side and one on his. Best sound we ever had. And we both were barely in the mix in the FOH by mic, sometimes not at all.... because we didn't need to be. There's more than one way to mix a room and balanced sound coming off that stage is like a foundation. You cannot build your sound entirely through the FOH, imo, It's weak sauce and usually when done that way it's way too much kick drum and way too much Bass player and everything suffers. Or it's a wimpy mix that feels like a lounge act, lol.
You're totally right, Man Bun! I ditched the 4x12 years ago! I've gone with 2x12 cabs and combos since the early 2000's. Not only did it help my back and wallet, I have more space! At home I rock a Laney 212, Katana artist running through my 212 Tone Tubby cab or my blackstar for desk practice.
I am getting back into playing. I need something that is loud enough to play in a band if I decide to get into one, but still work as a practice amp. I got a large 1x12 cab with a g12h-100 in it and am ordering a 50w JCM 900 1x12 combo to sit on top of it. You basically just said what I was thinking anyway. The ease of transporting this setup made it a no brainer.
I have a thought for those who own a 4x12... remove the two lower speakers in a 4x12 and keep them as backups, screw in some thin ply wood inside to cover the 2 speaker holes and now you a lighter and still cool looking angled but larger 2x12 and you don't need to buy an angled cab stand.
The age-old argument, "You will mic it anyway" or "it's lighter". If that's the case, you might as well just run straight to PA from a Helix with zero amps. It's all about air movement.
My Marshall 2536 cabinet has plenty of air movement. Check it out. It's huge, made of Birch but not too huge to put in a trunk of a car or carry by one self. Again, an audience will NEVER know the difference. They just want to have a good time and drink. And that's just a fact.
@@Swampster70 OMG and hair movement !!!!!Hi mr Swampster, Im a Finnish guitarist of 54 in October, and just ended up on this comp page of speakers/writers,,,theres a 4x12 cab new for sale at Thomann web store for 200€s, Kustom brand,wheels n all so very tempting? I was thinking , 50€s per speaker, not bad, THEN /now im thinking, I bought from T a 100W Kustom amp for 200€s, are they baad quality..., time ll tell of course..., even Alber tLee talked about 4 x 10 cabinets, not 12s....., omg Im a slow one on some things: my lets say grnd ma once said about my earring: musicians have them to hear better.....she understood me better than my parents ...LOVE without Cabinets, only combos, and bands, Kimmo : )
I think the type of speaker really plays a part in how it sounds, so micing a particular speaker will sound different than simply playing direct into the PA.
After our last gig this past weekend, I decided to downgrade my 4x12 to a 2x12. I did want a Vertical 2x12 though because I felt it would take up less side space and we all know some venues can be extremely limited on space!
Having a 4x12 is an experience, a right of passage, there's history with them. From a physics perspective, they move more air and if you have some nice earplugs that shave off the high frequencies then you can stand in front of it and crank the amp. Amazing. Love it. But I would also like to get a 2x12 and a 1x15 also. Also, there's getting a multi-speaker PA setup for some awesome reverb/chorus/stereo playing. I've got a lot to learn and a ways to go to experiment all audio setups. It's all fun. Just get whatever you want, practice like mad always and make sure you are having fun with whatever you are working with.
@@AuntAlnico4 I have two Fender combo amps that have 410 speakers in each cab. He's saying the combo amps have speakers built into the cab, hence the name "combo-amp". Example my Fender '59 Bassman LTD. is a 410 combo amp!
A 30" vertical 212 cabinet in a road case with 6" wheel board works well for me. At the gig I place the cab on the case (66" total height). With the top speaker at ear level, the sound seems louder and brighter. Turning the volume and treble down improves what the microphone captures. Since the amp seems louder when standing in front of it, but is actually quieter than when on the floor, nobody complains about my volume. I adjust my monitor mix by standing closer or further from the speaker. The cab in the case is smaller and lighter than a 412, protected during transport, and rolls on stage. I like it.
I was looking around a bit and the price difference between 2x12 cabs and 4x12s weren’t very different so I said screw it and got the 4x12. It looks cooler being bigger but i dont know about the sound difference would be bc it hasn’t come in yet lol. I’m linking it to a dsl40c and my 1x12 combo just can’t keep up with my buddies 4x12 Peavey and the drums. I hope it sounds a lot better!!
I used to run HH 100 watt amp with a HH 100 watt slave amp running through four 4x12 cabs. That really rocked . Got it all in vovlo estate. I was young and strong, no problem s
The only reason I like a full stack is so the speakers are up in the air in line with my ears. What I really need is some sort of wooden box the size of a 6x12 that is empty, then I can put a 2x12 on top of that. (Slanted cabs unfortunately don't do the trick)
Hmmm, the only problem is the bottom speaker wouldn't be directed at the player. Of course, you may want that, but I prefer to have all speakers in the cabinet directed at the me. Maybe a horizontal cabinet with built in angled stand would be the ideal setup.
I run a Mesa vertical 2x12 and a couple of points to share. 1. It is fing heavy! Not much in it by feel compared to a 1960A. 2. It’s not much smaller than a 1960A, a bit slimmer. 3. Bass response isn’t as good in this vert cab. If you want low end get the Horizontal Mesa which I had and sold and regret. 4. Even feel like I need to tilt the vertical 2x12 so I can hear it probably. Check out Jason Kui - he runs 2 x Mesa horizontal 2x12s as he says it is a bigger sound than a 4x12 plus easier to lug around no doubt. 👍
I just made the change to 2x12 cabinets. Not because I saw this or any other video. First off, when I played out and toured, I used 3 Full stacks and 3 JMP 100 W Superleads. That was many moons ago and I held on to all that gear till yesterday. Over the years I built a Stereo W\D\W rack rig that used all 6 of those cabinets (2-wet-L\2 Dry\2-wet-R) with one change - stereo power amps. After 12 years of doing this, I do agree, it's too much. I'm killing my band as there is only so much air in the room for everyone to move and I am dominating in that area. The math doesn't lie. Every one tries to turn up but simply can't compete. My solution is - move to lower power 50 watt stereo amps and 2x12 cabinets. The sound is unbelievably better. Much more definition and punch. I didn't think I would feel the attack the way that I do with the 4x12 cabs but guess what, they punch harder. I do believe it is because they are more focused. As was suggested in this vid, I got 3 amp stands and run them side by side in a arch pattern behind me. If you don't think that looks cool, your out of your mind. All I can say is, screw me for waiting all these years to get my head around this change. I sound better now than I ever have in the past and I punch through the live mix like a sledgehammer without dominating the mix. Do it right! Make the change!
Nice man! In my opinion, you shouldn't rely on your rig to make you look cool. Let your performance speak for itself. That's what the audience cares about.
@@Dagger_323 Try reading my comment....where I didn't say anything about a bigger and girthier sound....responding to a guy who said a 2x12 is for a "small apartment bedroom"....which is a ignorant statement....much like your response and reply. Obviously reading comprehension isn't your strong suit....but being a ass clown is.
My first cab was an orange 412. because my 30 watts amp was so damn loud, and the damn thing was so heavy, I traded it for the orange 212. I just could never get used to it: the volume is indeed identical, but the sound of the 412 is just way fuller. the 212 just sounded to harsh, even for my band mates it was significant. I ended up selling it and getting the 412 back. and not so long ago, I picked a second matching 412, and man there is no way I'm playing live without those 2 ^^ interestingly enough, not only is the sound more balanced, but it also makes it easier to tame the volume down: since now I've got so much presence, I can afford to turn the volume down a bit, and my sound is at the same time more audible and smoother. I guess it also depends on the type of head you have: the benefits of a full stack are not as obvious on my 120 watts hi gain amp as on my 30 watts sovtek.
Well I have have a Mesa 212 vertical it sounds awesome. But. I have a carvin 412 with Mesa v30s 16ohms @16ohm load. And sealed up. It’s a monster. My opinion! The 412 is more fuller. Although my 212 vertical is not shabby at all. I’m keeping both.
I convinced a bro to go half cab or "1/4" stack by running my Laney Loudpedal through only two speakers on his Blackstar 4x12. Thank you for making this video. I myself am putting together a Jekyll and Hyde style rig with both a Laney DualTop head and the Loudpedal. Myths need to be debunked
You should explain this to bassists as well... I've been telling these dudes who show up with fridge cabinets, and they ostracize me. I mean, if the venue is big enough to justify having a huge bass rig, you're running into a PA. If it's smaller and you're not running into a PA, your rig is overkill. Your rig should fit what you want for stage volume, but not bleed into every mic on the stage.
@@TempoDrift1480 when on small stages, where most musicians play, mix placement means nothing when the bass is overwhelming the stage, which is why a fridge is a horrible idea for amass cabinet. As for guitar, why lug around a 4x12, when a 1x12 or 2x12 will do the same thing?
@@wswartz79 They don't do the same thing though. I've been a sound guy for many years. The difference in sound quality between a combo amp vs 212 vs 412 is obvious, and 412 cabinets always sound more full, with superior low end which means better tone regardless of volume. For small rooms, I'd love when guitar players show up with stacks because that meant I didn't need to put them through the PA hardly at all. Vocals are clear as a bell when that's the case.
I put my combo on my 2x12 and it’s like a stand and a stack at the same time. Having a variety of speakers and cabinet sizes is also great. I actually think the 4x12 ironically is probably best for home applications these days due to the reasons stated. Nice vid!
I have a 2x12 with Vintage 30’s hooked you to a 20W tube head and it is almost incomprehensibly loud when at half volume. Can’t imagine needing more than this ever.
Very good points made in this video. I agree! The whole "Wall of Sound" concept is very cool, as long as you have a crew to load in, set up, load out. I haven't had that luxury in quite a while. (Although I still love my 412s). I've been playing on stage for 50+ years, and I've figured out what works for me (with me being my own road crew). I run a BE-100 / 212 cab and it's plenty loud enough w/ enough chunk. You're carnage may vary!!
2x12 looks good on paper but in the real world, the 4x12 wins. The only downside is the weight but beyond that it's superior in every way. It's not so much heard... but felt. Plus you don't need finicky stands. It puts your amp head at the perfect height.
I agree completely. I've been struggling with a 2x12 during rehearsals for a year, and finally picked up a 4x12. It's a huge difference in tone, thickness,and being able to cut through the sound. And yeah, it's heavier, but that what taking care of yourself and lifting weights is for. Strength is not an issue when you train for it. lol
I used two Dr. Z Z Bests 2x12s for many years. Then I used one. They were very difficult to move around because they had no casters and were very heavy. They did have a good amount of "thump" or bass, but they were rather bright since they have the Thiele-Small front port. I went back to a 4x12 with greenbacks recently and love it. Great thump, some high end roll off, and moves a ton of air. Plus it has casters and I don't have to bend down to dead lift it like I did with the 2x12s.
Sorry, but I've never played a smaller cab that has the same tonal response as a 4x12. There's different applications however for different cabinet sizes/configurations. The one-size-fits-all mentality is very short-sighted.
Especially for some heavier music, i agree with this dude if you just playing some clean classical shit tho haha i would just roll with a 2x12 that gets loud
The big thing is application, and not necessarily what type of music you're playing, but how you are using it. You definitely notice a difference if you are playing a rehearsal with no mic, just the amp cranked up. The 4x12 is definitely more satisfying. However, if you are playing live and have a good FOH guy, he will get you sounding good in the mix, and they'll make sure you can hear yourself just fine in the monitor whether you are using a 4x12 or a 2x12. Unfortunately, I don't always play with a good sound guy, so I like my 4x12. After the 3rd time telling him to turn me up on my monitor, if he doesn't do it (you'd be surprised how many of them act like they're turning you up, but they don't) I start kicking up the volume in my amp.
Not a hater. I think whatever setup works for a musician is fine, regardless of what people think. My situation: Had a 160 watt peavey special 112 (basically a bandit with twice the power) i got for $40. Speaker was damaged. Sold the enclosure for $30. I converted the amp to a head. Bought a used 4x12 for $90 and the improvement on tone for that pairing is truly remarkable. Closed back 4x12 focused and cleaned up my gain channel in profound ways. 2x12's are great...but they're currently trendy, so expensive. I'm glad people are offloading 4x12's now, because it gave me a gig-worthy rig for an even $100. Videos like this are really all good though, because people have to consider the pros and cons of their gear decisions, and you make solid points.
Depends on the way you see your guitar rig... I have my "work rig" which is just an Helix. My fun rig that I use whenever possible and it's a rock gig it's an ENGL fireball 100 and a 4x12. (I also have a 2x12 for when there's no space in the van) I see this like the difference between cars and motorcycles. When I choose a car I choose sensibly to be a utilitarian tool. When I choose a motorcycle I choose with my heart, I don't care about mpg, comfort, etc... It's purpose is to inspire, provide fun and make me look back from across the street when I leave it parked. The guitar fun rig is the same! It looks good on stage and inspires me to have fun playing
I paused it at 1:50 and made him wait while I ate my dinner muhahahaha. He just sat there and waiting though. Also I’m a combo player so this isn’t relevant at all but still a good video to watch 👍
dude amazing!! I did this 5 years ago. I went from a 1 x 12 to a 2 x 12. My Nick Curran had an amazing live rig with 2 x 12 and dan auerbach has that 2 x 12 marshall cab!
I recently went to a 2x12 for gigging (well just one gig then covid hit arrrrgggg !!! ) and thought it was just as good as my 4x12 and so much easier to carry. This dude totally right... i leave my 4x12 at the studio we practice at. Sounds awesome too .
simple. if you play a 7 string you have no chance of using anything else than a 4x12. a 2x12 cant handle the right amounts of low end of a downtuned high gain sound. you would just sound castrated. i would never use anything else besides a 4x12. there's a reason why you never hear anything other than a miced 4x12 on any big recording.
Yep haha sadly i have seen kids try to get "heavy" rolling with a couple 2x12s and not being mic'ed through the PA cuz that wasnt happening haha and although i love their effort, completely distorted and no low end
I literally see people get excited by my 4x12 coming into the venue in a time when everything is minimized. We're still cavemen at heart, go big
exited? or scared lol
@@pugforce8315 he said excited 🤦♂
Absolutely.
@@pugforce8315both is good
💯💯💯
Cause standing in front of 3 4x12 full stacks makes u look cool as fuck
Haha your pfp is John!
No question, but 2 has done alright by me for about about 40 years now
Best sound I ever had was a full stack 812. No way I'm giving up my 412, OMDB. Lol.
Good luck trying to play shows then. No sound guy will let you play.
just get dummy cabs 👍
I watched this entire video and I still want my 4x12.
Same bro!!!
Yeah I love my 4x12
4×12 all the way for me
Yeah. Fuck that. You lose low end with 4x12. Even my guitar friends that have had 2x12 always went back to 4x12's .
Same. I have a recto 412 and recently bought a recto 212. Music is all about feel for me so the 212 is going back.
The 412 pushes more air and resonates too well to ever put a 212 in the same sonic ballpark.
As for the weight, I have arthritis in my back and still use Les Pauls and a solid birch oversized 412 cab and I've never once complained about the weight.
Watching this video as I'm on the way to pick up my second 4x12
I gave up after the red frilled shirt.
Watching this video after picking up a full stack 😅
@@gregcoomer1775 Lol.....them were the days!
Just got my full stack setup today while watching this haha!!
Me too! I got a Van Halen tribute band, so I want all the cabs. Gotta have cabs on stage to play Van Halen. 🤘🏻😝🎸🇺🇸
It’s about bass response and the dynamics, every cab has a different sound man, a 4x12 definitely sounds fuller
Correct!
Ah ,so the 412 has more bottom end yeah? Is that a significant amount more would you say? Thanks.
Mark R really depends on the cabs, there are some really nice 2x12s that have a full sound, but in my experience a 412 probably probably about 25% more bottom end
@@jahanwatson2423 Great, thank you!
PS. do you know which of the Marshall cabs have best speakers for bottom end ,412 or 212? I don't know much about differences in dynamics from Greenbacks to Celestion's or whatever else is available. Looking for good low end 412 cab. Thanks again.
Just ONE thing you're missing here: INSPIRATION. When I'm wailing on Blues at home in my studio, there is NOTHING like a massive wall of sound inspiring me to play my heart out.
sorry but.... HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAH
I have this too
0:33. Video stopped, thanks for the heads up. Have a great day!
Haha thats funny as hell
Wish more videos would do this
I thought the same thing so I built 2 - 2 x12 cabinets. And then I sold off the 5 - 4 x 12 cabinets that I had. I've been regretting it for a long time so I decided to build a
4 x 12. Nothing beats a wall of sound. 2 x 12's are good but they, in no way replace a 4 x 12. In my humble opinion 4 x 12 is the way to go.
I’ve always had issues with sound dispersion, cause I guess I’m one of the few guitarists that doesn’t want to crank up. This video actually made me want a 4x12. Thanks! 🤣
If you gig 2-3 times a week then a smaller rig you'll love. But if you have a special one. Then getthe big guns once in a while.
As a harmonica player, I just wish more guitarist would keep their guitars in tune.
Especially Bedroom Gibson Strummers on TH-cam
@@g.koch. But I just tuned it 5 minutes ago, how is the g string already out of tune
Plot twist: he is a bassist.
Shit, you're on to me
@@ManBunMetalHead 😂🤣
8x10 goes brrrrrrrrrr
Ha ha
Wanna like but I dont wanna mess up the 69 likes
Watched it and bought a Marshall 1960 412 cab, no regrets.
4x12s have a more fuller sound. If a 2x12 had the same amount of resonance, then I might consider it.
Everyone know a cabinet with 12, 2 inch speakers is the way to go 12X2 FTW
Fk yeah, nothing beats two 12x2 stacks!
#tweeterlife
Unless you're playing arenas. Then you GOTTA have that full 48x2 stack.
At 2 ohms. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Actually, the best sound is always two 1960B cabs side by side. The harmonics and clarity is insane, and it even means I can turn down my master vol and I still hear myself better
That's how I do a full stack. It sounds great in stereo! The delays ❤️
But...we jus look sooo cool standing in front of a 4x12 on stage
Just get a vertical 2x12 then lol
@@seanathonhooper Not even half as cool!
You must be a pussy if you play with only one 4x12...
There's dummy/empty 4×12 cabs you can get with no speakers in them. Or just buy a cheap cabinet, yank the speakers out, put some fake cones in there for visual effect. You'd be surprised how many rock bands do that - just hook the amp up to some dinky little 1×12 cab hidden somewhere the audience can't see it, mic that up to go into the PA, put the amp on an empty or dummy-loaded 412 for visual effect.
@@josepcla That was my thought also.
I absolutely agree, i used to use an Orange 4x12 and an Orange OR30, but after a while i got tired of all these issues. Now i use a Harley Benton vertical 2x12 with vintage 30s and an Orange CR120 head, and it saved my back, and my bandmates haven't complained about anything.
I've gigged with a full stack in small venues and it sounded awesome.
I’m thinking a hiwatt t40/20 head with a Marshall origin 2x12 vertical cab
No. lol. To each their own. You're correct about the volume issue. But, I have never played a 2x12 that has the same feel as a 4x12. They're just pushing more air. The Orange PPC212 gets close but still not quite the same.
Agreed. I'm not trying to convince everyone to switch to a 2x12 but rather let them know it is a viable option.
@@ManBunMetalHead well... then why the video title is "Time to ditch that 4x12 cabinet" and not "4x12 cabinet alternatives" ?:)))
@@timishormusic5526 Click bait. Even the best of em have to do it nowadays
@@JB-xz6dt yeah:))
I had a orange 212 and it was not close to a 412 it actually didn't even sound as good running it with a 412 then by it self.
I always played Marshall/Fender Heads and Quads in bands. Awesome. Given the bands away, too old, bought a Vox AC15 Combo as I always wanted one. First Combo ever. Couldn't get the sound I wanted until I plugged it into a Marshall Quad and WOW. Do yourself a favor! I play in my room/studio at around 80.0 and 85.0 dBAs and it is Marshall Quads Forever! Surfin' with Vox and Marshall!!
I love my 4x12. I’ll never give her up. I’ll ADD a 2x12 with unique voicing to my rig so I’ll have the option for whatever suits my mood. Shoot, I have 11 acres and I’m going to enjoy cranking my rig up to 11 in the barn whenever I want to without being sorry.
Having a lot of power on acreage is my favorite memory as a teenager. 5.5 acres here in California. Blasting away in the barn. Fcken loved it!!!
2 months ago I did a deep spring cleaning and sold a boatload of my guitar gear that I don't use much. As a matter of fact one of those items was my Peavey 6505 412 cab. I was glad to regain the space in my man-cave. Just the other day I see an almost new AMPEG 412 cab for sale and it really tempted me to buy it. THANK YOU for reminding me why I sold my previous 412 cab in the first place!! ... My wife thanks you too :)
4x12 cabs sound better than 2x12 cabs. Don't believe me? Mic up one of each and listen. I'll wait.
So valid! Its more about quality of sound versus the mundane and overly subjective points of view from this video. I dislike this video for it's purely opinionated "tips" rooted in speculatory garble
@Foxbody Boogie Yeah, everything other than a 2X12 sounds amazing. You're just making a vague statement to be contrary.
How much better? 2%? 8.5%? there are so many factors that come in to play that you're vague statement holds no weight. He got in to things that had nothing to do with sound. You can get a 2X12 to sound amazing. There are people that can make a pignose sound great.
@@Mr_phil_80 Oh god. Mr encyclopedia. Overly judgmental internet nerds gettin triggered XD
@Dirtypussy Tornadokick 15 def is an underrated guitar speaker. I do love my 2x12 though , play through that most of the time. I also love my 1960a cab but I kinda hate speakers pointing right at my head unless it's a gig or practice / jam situation and I can't hear anything. Then it's a life saver!
I just switched back to a 4x12 after using a 1x12 for a while and then a 2x12. Used same amp and same location. The 4x12 sounds so much better!
When he said the Marshall 2x12 rectifier cabinet i knew i was wasting my time here thank you have a good day!
So you’ve never misspoken?
@@cardbored_ you never laugh? 🤪
This is the best video on truss rod adjustment I have ever seen. Thank you!
One of the best compromises might be the vertical 2x12. They're relatively hard to find but I've usually seen them as having an angled top speaking, like a half 1960A cab. More manufacturers should get behind that form factor.
I have a Marshall 1936 & just bought a 1960a & retuned it. I don't like the angle cabinet. all you hear is the bass. The rest sounds compressed not as open as my 2x12.
hard to find? mesa and marshall are selling vertical 212 with slanted options right now
@@lightninginmyhands4878 Those slanted cabs don't sound good very different than a horizontal one.
@@guitarexpert2245 what's your experience? does it involve gigging?
@@lightninginmyhands4878 yes, they are just different a B cab is thicker deeper more punch feels like. Take a look at Marshall's website on any of their 196a/b cabs it will tell you the same thing. And it's really true. But everyone is different I suppose
Thanks man. I’m in the process of planning and building my rig. I’ve been playing for thirty years but I’ve never actually took the time to learn the technical side. I just played around with volumes and gains on my on my little practice amp. It’s time now to finally finding dialing in my tone. So many options.
I carry my full stack jcm800 all at the same time. Gets me pumped. 4x10 eminence loaded in each hand. Amp goes in my backpack.
Proof we need to see it!
What about wattage? I just blew a 2 x 12 using a 100w amp....
4x12 days are over. I'm in my late 50's and don't need to carry a 4x12. I bought a Marshall 2536 2x12,it's the Silver Jubilee cab, 2 Vintage 30's, made of Birch Plywood, it's huge but not huge enough that i can't carry it and fit it into my trunk of my car. I could not get a 4x12 in the trunk of my car let alone lift it into the trunk without F-ing up my back. But this 2536 cabinet has lots of balls and low end. . And who ever you play out to live will NEVER notice the difference. Audiences have no clue. All they want it to have fun and drink.
You already gave up?
“Audiences have no clue…”
For shame. Never assume your audience is stupid or not perceptive. They might hear it better than you.
*_I just played a sold out show at Wembley Stadium with my djent-metal band using only a Fender Frontman 10G. The show got shut down because we apparently broke the sound ordinance law for being too loud. The sound guy even removed the mic to my Frontman and just let the amp blast into the crowd, but it was still too much power. Nothing we could do._*
The thing about it is, even tho the power is evenly distributed, because of the number of speakers the sound coming out the two cabs are remarkably different. The 4x12 delivers a better QUALITY of sound than the 2x12. 🙂
I got 3 4x12 cabs after seeing this video because people listened to you and I got a good deal on them. So thanks!!!!
I've used a 2x12 Mesa Road King cab that was physically heavier, as well as better sounding then most 4x12 cabs. food for thought.
Sir you explained this so eloquently. Thank you for the straight answer.
This dude with a man bun is sole reason I went out to buy two 4×12 240w cabinets, 1992 peavey 5150 120w amp, Orange Rockerverb mkiii III 100, Orange Super Crush 100watt.
😂😂😂
I use a 2 x 12 with my heart with Marshall and I'm very satisfied with it actually I think that you're right at the angle you'll get the same sound and actually the other two will go up towards the ceiling with a 4 table and everybody will be annoyed I'm glad I saw your video I think it's very informative and I think people should probably buy a stand like that that's a great idea
The last two speakers were added to duo cabs [edit: to make quadboxes] back in the day to disperse the power so they wouldn't blow speakers, not to add volume.
Number of speakers doesn't have anything to do with volume (DBs or SPL), first DB's don't add linearly, second you will reduce the watts going to each speaker using the same volume level, so in the end for increased volume you should use less speakers with higher SPL. More speakers = more sound distribution which is good for a venue but bad to monitor your playing. Micking cabs, is guitar voodoo more than anything, since a good producer/sound engineer can output the same sound from a guitar signal without much effort.
This aint about what i need, its about what i want.. i love overkill, always have.. NEVER getting rid of my 4×12s. Ive been playing longer than this guy has been alive.
What you said makes sense. I have lugged a 412 with a head for many years. I found a set of ADA 212's with celestions that sound great on stage and MUCH easier to carry. But, the wall in the studio is still full of 412's, so when some sterilization is needed anyone can plug in and melt. But they don't move anymore...
Good video, been a long time orange 4x12 user with my OR100. Now, we use combo amps in our doom band and I couldn’t be happier, running a 59 bassman and it holds up just as well.
I ditched my 412 for a sealed 112. I angle it back in front of me like a monitor. The sound man is happy, the band is happy and the audience is happy. I can hear as much or as little of it as I want by reaching down and twisting the volume without affecting anyone else. Our mix has never been cleaner and is still earth shakingly heavy. Just proves you don't need a heavy amp to have a heavy sound.
link me your 112.. thanks
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Bollocks
I play guitar through a 2x12 but for bass, I actually play live, does anyone know if 4x15 exists? Lmk
I played with a guitarist who had 2 Mesa 2x12s. So easy to moderate angle and volume. During gigs, he'd have one between him and the drummer and the other at the other end of the stage. He bought them for $200 each in almost new condition.
Good advice
Damn, that is a good idea.
Damn a Mesa 2x12 for 200$?
*grabs mask* I’m gonna have to go “buy one”
We used to put one of my 412s on my side and the other on the Bass player's side. He had one 215 on my side and one on his. Best sound we ever had. And we both were barely in the mix in the FOH by mic, sometimes not at all.... because we didn't need to be. There's more than one way to mix a room and balanced sound coming off that stage is like a foundation. You cannot build your sound entirely through the FOH, imo, It's weak sauce and usually when done that way it's way too much kick drum and way too much Bass player and everything suffers. Or it's a wimpy mix that feels like a lounge act, lol.
@@autk 1000% agree
You're totally right, Man Bun! I ditched the 4x12 years ago! I've gone with 2x12 cabs and combos since the early 2000's. Not only did it help my back and wallet, I have more space! At home I rock a Laney 212, Katana artist running through my 212 Tone Tubby cab or my blackstar for desk practice.
There's only one reason for large cabinets and double stacked heads... to quote Les Paul, "People listen with their eyes."
I am getting back into playing. I need something that is loud enough to play in a band if I decide to get into one, but still work as a practice amp. I got a large 1x12 cab with a g12h-100 in it and am ordering a 50w JCM 900 1x12 combo to sit on top of it. You basically just said what I was thinking anyway. The ease of transporting this setup made it a no brainer.
2 2x12's is what I actually want, stereo spread is ideal live and you don't need to crank up your amp nearly as much
I went through three 2x12 cabs now. My current one is a Mesa 2x12 vertical with creambacks... I'm shopping for at 4x12 again. They just sound better
I have a thought for those who own a 4x12... remove the two lower speakers in a 4x12 and keep them as backups, screw in some thin ply wood inside to cover the 2 speaker holes and now you a lighter and still cool looking angled but larger 2x12 and you don't need to buy an angled cab stand.
But then there’s less of a wall of sound
Yeah - No Thanks
Love My TOWER of POWER!
Man I remember carrying the mesa 4x12 up and down the stairs when I was giging, I had some strong arms back then lol . great video
The age-old argument, "You will mic it anyway" or "it's lighter". If that's the case, you might as well just run straight to PA from a Helix with zero amps. It's all about air movement.
That's what I say when I cook up some of my diablo chili. First it's about the taste and then later it's about the air movement.
@@Swampster70 Lmfao
My Marshall 2536 cabinet has plenty of air movement. Check it out. It's huge, made of Birch but not too huge to put in a trunk of a car or carry by one self. Again, an audience will NEVER know the difference. They just want to have a good time and drink. And that's just a fact.
@@Swampster70 OMG and hair movement !!!!!Hi mr Swampster, Im a Finnish guitarist of 54 in October, and just ended up on this comp page of speakers/writers,,,theres a 4x12 cab new for sale at Thomann web store for 200€s, Kustom brand,wheels n all so very tempting? I was thinking , 50€s per speaker, not bad, THEN /now im thinking, I bought from T a 100W Kustom amp for 200€s, are they baad quality..., time ll tell of course..., even Alber tLee talked about 4 x 10 cabinets, not 12s....., omg Im a slow one on some things: my lets say grnd ma once said about my earring: musicians have them to hear better.....she understood me better than my parents ...LOVE without Cabinets, only combos, and bands, Kimmo : )
I think the type of speaker really plays a part in how it sounds, so micing a particular speaker will sound different than simply playing direct into the PA.
I've been liking the 2X12 for a while now, nice to see someone talk about it - ***** Stars : )
After our last gig this past weekend, I decided to downgrade my 4x12 to a 2x12.
I did want a Vertical 2x12 though because I felt it would take up less side space and we all know some venues can be extremely limited on space!
but what if you're playing celestion greenbacks with a 100w head?
Problem is most dive bars and gigs aint gonna run guitar through the PA haha good luck gettin heavy with that 2x12, wish it were possible
My experience has been the exact opposite, every dive bar I have ever been to runs me through the PA (even when we had 5 vocal mics).
@@nu11hed damn! Shit i wish we got that treatmeant, of course i aint really done a show since 2015 so maybe the old bars now can handle it.
@@nu11hed shit we used to play bars where we had to bring our own shitty PA haha
Having a 4x12 is an experience, a right of passage, there's history with them. From a physics perspective, they move more air and if you have some nice earplugs that shave off the high frequencies then you can stand in front of it and crank the amp. Amazing. Love it. But I would also like to get a 2x12 and a 1x15 also. Also, there's getting a multi-speaker PA setup for some awesome reverb/chorus/stereo playing. I've got a lot to learn and a ways to go to experiment all audio setups. It's all fun. Just get whatever you want, practice like mad always and make sure you are having fun with whatever you are working with.
Then there is us Fender combo amp players that have no plans of using any cab yet we still watch the metal heads argue.
What ? I don't get what you are trying to say.
@@AuntAlnico4 I have two Fender combo amps that have 410 speakers in each cab. He's saying the combo amps have speakers built into the cab, hence the name "combo-amp". Example my Fender '59 Bassman LTD. is a 410 combo amp!
Ok boomer
*are we
moar powah!!!
Have you considered 4-4x12 cabs?
I have a ENGL 2x12 and a Mesa 4x12 (traditionnal) and I love both for different reasons. I don't plan to ditch the 4x12 :p
I used to carry 2 100 watt half stacks to all gigs. Now I’m down to a 20 watter with a 1x12 and an ox. I’m fine with it.
Best compromise: use two 2x12 cabs, thats what I do.
Rock&Jazzer: Are you really.......Martin Barre?
@@vicferrari89 no but I like his playing and own hiwatt head like him...did he use 2x12 cabs or something?
Martin Barre .. Legend...now I'm going to listen to Minstrel in the Gallery....all the way through!
A 30" vertical 212 cabinet in a road case with 6" wheel board works well for me. At the gig I place the cab on the case (66" total height). With the top speaker at ear level, the sound seems louder and brighter. Turning the volume and treble down improves what the microphone captures. Since the amp seems louder when standing in front of it, but is actually quieter than when on the floor, nobody complains about my volume. I adjust my monitor mix by standing closer or further from the speaker. The cab in the case is smaller and lighter than a 412, protected during transport, and rolls on stage. I like it.
I was looking around a bit and the price difference between 2x12 cabs and 4x12s weren’t very different so I said screw it and got the 4x12. It looks cooler being bigger but i dont know about the sound difference would be bc it hasn’t come in yet lol. I’m linking it to a dsl40c and my 1x12 combo just can’t keep up with my buddies 4x12 Peavey and the drums. I hope it sounds a lot better!!
I used to run HH 100 watt amp with a HH 100 watt slave amp running through four 4x12 cabs. That really rocked . Got it all in vovlo estate. I was young and strong, no problem s
I have an original jcm 900 cab. The big one, and I can hear myself just fine
The only reason I like a full stack is so the speakers are up in the air in line with my ears. What I really need is some sort of wooden box the size of a 6x12 that is empty, then I can put a 2x12 on top of that. (Slanted cabs unfortunately don't do the trick)
So a vertical 2x12 is best of both worlds? Lightweight yet top speaker is angled as a 4x12 eliminating the need for a stand. What say you good sir?
Hmmm, the only problem is the bottom speaker wouldn't be directed at the player. Of course, you may want that, but I prefer to have all speakers in the cabinet directed at the me. Maybe a horizontal cabinet with built in angled stand would be the ideal setup.
I run a Mesa vertical 2x12 and a couple of points to share. 1. It is fing heavy! Not much in it by feel compared to a 1960A. 2. It’s not much smaller than a 1960A, a bit slimmer. 3. Bass response isn’t as good in this vert cab. If you want low end get the Horizontal Mesa which I had and sold and regret. 4. Even feel like I need to tilt the vertical 2x12 so I can hear it probably. Check out Jason Kui - he runs 2 x Mesa horizontal 2x12s as he says it is a bigger sound than a 4x12 plus easier to lug around no doubt. 👍
@@V8LC100 Hey thanks for the info!
I just made the change to 2x12 cabinets. Not because I saw this or any other video. First off, when I played out and toured, I used 3 Full stacks and 3 JMP 100 W Superleads. That was many moons ago and I held on to all that gear till yesterday. Over the years I built a Stereo W\D\W rack rig that used all 6 of those cabinets (2-wet-L\2 Dry\2-wet-R) with one change - stereo power amps. After 12 years of doing this, I do agree, it's too much. I'm killing my band as there is only so much air in the room for everyone to move and I am dominating in that area. The math doesn't lie. Every one tries to turn up but simply can't compete. My solution is - move to lower power 50 watt stereo amps and 2x12 cabinets. The sound is unbelievably better. Much more definition and punch. I didn't think I would feel the attack the way that I do with the 4x12 cabs but guess what, they punch harder. I do believe it is because they are more focused. As was suggested in this vid, I got 3 amp stands and run them side by side in a arch pattern behind me. If you don't think that looks cool, your out of your mind. All I can say is, screw me for waiting all these years to get my head around this change. I sound better now than I ever have in the past and I punch through the live mix like a sledgehammer without dominating the mix. Do it right! Make the change!
Nice man! In my opinion, you shouldn't rely on your rig to make you look cool. Let your performance speak for itself. That's what the audience cares about.
Best of both worlds is a vertical 2x12. :-)
@Guitar Heretic/*x Dude please.... I have a 100watt Blackstar head and a 2x12 vertical cab that will rupture your spleen.
@@Dagger_323 Cool story.....what does that have to do with anything I said?
@@Dagger_323 Try reading my comment....where I didn't say anything about a bigger and girthier sound....responding to a guy who said a 2x12 is for a "small apartment bedroom"....which is a ignorant statement....much like your response and reply. Obviously reading comprehension isn't your strong suit....but being a ass clown is.
My first cab was an orange 412. because my 30 watts amp was so damn loud, and the damn thing was so heavy, I traded it for the orange 212. I just could never get used to it: the volume is indeed identical, but the sound of the 412 is just way fuller. the 212 just sounded to harsh, even for my band mates it was significant. I ended up selling it and getting the 412 back. and not so long ago, I picked a second matching 412, and man there is no way I'm playing live without those 2 ^^
interestingly enough, not only is the sound more balanced, but it also makes it easier to tame the volume down: since now I've got so much presence, I can afford to turn the volume down a bit, and my sound is at the same time more audible and smoother.
I guess it also depends on the type of head you have: the benefits of a full stack are not as obvious on my 120 watts hi gain amp as on my 30 watts sovtek.
Well I have have a Mesa 212 vertical it sounds awesome. But. I have a carvin 412 with Mesa v30s 16ohms @16ohm load. And sealed up. It’s a monster. My opinion! The 412 is more fuller. Although my 212 vertical is not shabby at all. I’m keeping both.
I convinced a bro to go half cab or "1/4" stack by running my Laney Loudpedal through only two speakers on his Blackstar 4x12. Thank you for making this video. I myself am putting together a Jekyll and Hyde style rig with both a Laney DualTop head and the Loudpedal. Myths need to be debunked
You should explain this to bassists as well... I've been telling these dudes who show up with fridge cabinets, and they ostracize me. I mean, if the venue is big enough to justify having a huge bass rig, you're running into a PA. If it's smaller and you're not running into a PA, your rig is overkill. Your rig should fit what you want for stage volume, but not bleed into every mic on the stage.
Set the mic gains accordingly and you won't have that problem. I never do.
@@TempoDrift1480 when on small stages, where most musicians play, mix placement means nothing when the bass is overwhelming the stage, which is why a fridge is a horrible idea for amass cabinet. As for guitar, why lug around a 4x12, when a 1x12 or 2x12 will do the same thing?
@@wswartz79 They don't do the same thing though. I've been a sound guy for many years. The difference in sound quality between a combo amp vs 212 vs 412 is obvious, and 412 cabinets always sound more full, with superior low end which means better tone regardless of volume. For small rooms, I'd love when guitar players show up with stacks because that meant I didn't need to put them through the PA hardly at all. Vocals are clear as a bell when that's the case.
0:53 exposed yourself with a 4x12 there! hah! YOU ARE ONE OF US!
I put my combo on my 2x12 and it’s like a stand and a stack at the same time. Having a variety of speakers and cabinet sizes is also great.
I actually think the 4x12 ironically is probably best for home applications these days due to the reasons stated. Nice vid!
I have a 2x12 with Vintage 30’s hooked you to a 20W tube head and it is almost incomprehensibly loud when at half volume. Can’t imagine needing more than this ever.
its all about the looks baby, nothing looks more rock and roll than a tower of speakers lol
Very good points made in this video. I agree!
The whole "Wall of Sound" concept is very cool, as long as you have a crew to load in, set up, load out. I haven't had that luxury in quite a while. (Although I still love my 412s).
I've been playing on stage for 50+ years, and I've figured out what works for me (with me being my own road crew). I run a BE-100 / 212 cab and it's plenty loud enough w/ enough chunk.
You're carnage may vary!!
2x12 looks good on paper but in the real world, the 4x12 wins. The only downside is the weight but beyond that it's superior in every way. It's not so much heard... but felt. Plus you don't need finicky stands. It puts your amp head at the perfect height.
What about price and the fact that it takes up a lot of space in your car?
But yes the 4x12 has a bassier sound.
I agree completely. I've been struggling with a 2x12 during rehearsals for a year, and finally picked up a 4x12. It's a huge difference in tone, thickness,and being able to cut through the sound. And yeah, it's heavier, but that what taking care of yourself and lifting weights is for. Strength is not an issue when you train for it. lol
I used two Dr. Z Z Bests 2x12s for many years. Then I used one. They were very difficult to move around because they had no casters and were very heavy. They did have a good amount of "thump" or bass, but they were rather bright since they have the Thiele-Small front port. I went back to a 4x12 with greenbacks recently and love it. Great thump, some high end roll off, and moves a ton of air. Plus it has casters and I don't have to bend down to dead lift it like I did with the 2x12s.
Sorry, but I've never played a smaller cab that has the same tonal response as a 4x12. There's different applications however for different cabinet sizes/configurations. The one-size-fits-all mentality is very short-sighted.
Especially for some heavier music, i agree with this dude if you just playing some clean classical shit tho haha i would just roll with a 2x12 that gets loud
The big thing is application, and not necessarily what type of music you're playing, but how you are using it. You definitely notice a difference if you are playing a rehearsal with no mic, just the amp cranked up. The 4x12 is definitely more satisfying. However, if you are playing live and have a good FOH guy, he will get you sounding good in the mix, and they'll make sure you can hear yourself just fine in the monitor whether you are using a 4x12 or a 2x12. Unfortunately, I don't always play with a good sound guy, so I like my 4x12. After the 3rd time telling him to turn me up on my monitor, if he doesn't do it (you'd be surprised how many of them act like they're turning you up, but they don't) I start kicking up the volume in my amp.
Not a hater. I think whatever setup works for a musician is fine, regardless of what people think.
My situation: Had a 160 watt peavey special 112 (basically a bandit with twice the power) i got for $40. Speaker was damaged. Sold the enclosure for $30. I converted the amp to a head. Bought a used 4x12 for $90 and the improvement on tone for that pairing is truly remarkable. Closed back 4x12 focused and cleaned up my gain channel in profound ways. 2x12's are great...but they're currently trendy, so expensive. I'm glad people are offloading 4x12's now, because it gave me a gig-worthy rig for an even $100.
Videos like this are really all good though, because people have to consider the pros and cons of their gear decisions, and you make solid points.
Switched to a 2x12 5 years ago and never looked back. My back thanks me.....
thanks to this video, I just bought a Marshall 4x12 in great condition for 300 dollars. Thanks king.
My heads and 4x12 cabs stay in the man cave. If I was out gigging there are plenty of combo amps available today that can do the job.
Depends on the way you see your guitar rig...
I have my "work rig" which is just an Helix.
My fun rig that I use whenever possible and it's a rock gig it's an ENGL fireball 100 and a 4x12. (I also have a 2x12 for when there's no space in the van)
I see this like the difference between cars and motorcycles. When I choose a car I choose sensibly to be a utilitarian tool. When I choose a motorcycle I choose with my heart, I don't care about mpg, comfort, etc... It's purpose is to inspire, provide fun and make me look back from across the street when I leave it parked.
The guitar fun rig is the same! It looks good on stage and inspires me to have fun playing
You're so right brother so sick of the big 4x12
I just bought 2 vintage Fender 2x12 vertical cabs. Freakin amazing paired with any of my blackface heads...bandmaster, tremolux, bassman or showman.
I paused it at 1:50 and made him wait while I ate my dinner muhahahaha. He just sat there and waiting though. Also I’m a combo player so this isn’t relevant at all but still a good video to watch 👍
dude amazing!! I did this 5 years ago. I went from a 1 x 12 to a 2 x 12. My Nick Curran had an amazing live rig with 2 x 12 and dan auerbach has that 2 x 12 marshall cab!
The reason I use 4x12’s is because people are selling them dirt cheap. Plus works great for rehearsals.
thanks for this video!!! , I was about to buy a 4 X 12 and I know I will regret for it later. So I will wait for an opportunity to buy a 2x12 then.
I recently went to a 2x12 for gigging (well just one gig then covid hit arrrrgggg !!! ) and thought it was just as good as my 4x12 and so much easier to carry. This dude totally right... i leave my 4x12 at the studio we practice at.
Sounds awesome too .
I don't gig or have to lug my 4x12 around so I wouldn't switch, but I can appreciate your insight on the matter.
simple. if you play a 7 string you have no chance of using anything else than a 4x12. a 2x12 cant handle the right amounts of low end of a downtuned high gain sound. you would just sound castrated. i would never use anything else besides a 4x12. there's a reason why you never hear anything other than a miced 4x12 on any big recording.
Yep haha sadly i have seen kids try to get "heavy" rolling with a couple 2x12s and not being mic'ed through the PA cuz that wasnt happening haha and although i love their effort, completely distorted and no low end
I’ve got 3 really good 2x12s and almost bought a 4x12 until I saw this. Got a mic instead! Rock on