UPGRADING MY MARSHALL CAB - V30 vs Greenback comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Switched out the speakers in my Marshall cabinet and put in some Greenback 25W. Lets compare!
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Remember my Marshall 4x12 that sounded hollow? Well I upgraded the speakers to Celestion Greenback 25W.
Good decision Sir! Greenback wins. Always. Every time.
Bro they sound great!
Which greenbacks ? New Chinese 16 ohms ?
Try the mesa speaker in the marshall
Gotta break those speakers in for about 30-40 hours and they'll sound a lot better.
The greenbacks just sound classic. Great metal sound.
It's almost scary how much better the greenback equipped Marshall cab sounds here. The midrange is extremely pleasing, tons of more low end, doesn't have that awful high end sizzle but it's still present just enough, it's just better.
Yeah. That sizzle is a too muddy for rhythm, I mean unless you just chug all the time. Those V30s are better for lead. I'd go with the Greenbacks like 90% of the time
In a mix the harshness of the V30 high end helps cut
Yeah, but what does it matter that everyone can hear you when you sound like absolute dogshit? Sure, V30s cut like nothing because they have a huge ice picky high midrange/treble spike, but they're still an ass fucking speaker. @@finnancahill2644
Almost like the 5150 circuit was voiced with Eddie's Greenback Marshall cab in mind.
No matter the genre, greenbacks are my favorite! It seems the sweetness is always lost a bit when a manufacturer tries to make a speaker handle more power!
*laughs in gb128*
Yeah I never cared much for Celestion's high power speakers except for their G12-65. The Greenbacks are the shit! Can't be beat by anything imo
@@eyedunno8462 Sweet, as long as you like them. I am cursed with ears that can hear the difference between 1inch and 3 inch voicecoils and the difference between paper and kapton being used in the voicecoils. Since using bigger voicecoils and/or using kapton in the place of paper for the voicecoil are the only ways rhat I've seen speaker makers make a speaker able to handle more power, I've always been able to spot the difference between low-power and high-power handling speakers. Clearly, I prefer the sound of the low powered speakers, they just sound more immediate and direct to my ear. Stiffening the speaker cones and surrounds to help the speaker handle more power also affects the dampening, tone, and speed of the speaker. In my opinion, anything added to the speaker, to allow it to handle more power, compromises the speed and purity of the cone's movement. You might like the sound that the stronger speaker makes, but it's not my preference.
That makes sense. The more headroom you have, the less breakup, but that breakup is what makes it sweet by rounding out the highs and lows.
@@cchavez248 well said
thats why i put one of each in the 2x12 cab i built, best of both worlds!
The Marshall cuts like a knife, the Mesa cuts like a razor… interesting sound together, one sounds great for rhythm and the other for leads, Keep up the great job and give the dog a pat for me, lol!
Mesa sure cuts, but honestly, V30s have always sounded too middy and boxy to me. Sure, you hear them well in the mix, but it's a very one dimensional sound they've got.
The Marshall with Greenbacks sounds amazing.
Agreed.
Mesas are beasts, but imo those Greenbacks destroyed the V30s in isolation.
Greenbacks are great speakers for metal, especially combined with Marshall/British type amps. They are really the OG metal speakers, together with the G12H-30. They don't have the same mid spike as the V30's, so they might not cut through a mix as well, but they usually have a tight low end and a really creamy mids. I love them!
I have a Mojotone British 412 loaded with two G12M-25 Greenbacks and 2 G12H-30 Heritage 55hz in an X pattern. It sounds great. I bought two G12H-30 Heritage 75hz for another empty 412 in the future. I need to pair them with something, and I may just go with more G12M-25, but I kind of want to try some G12M-EVH speakers. The only thing is that the EVH is only 96db vs. while the G12H-30 Heritage 75hz is 100db. Celestion said it could work, just that the EVH would "contribute less" to the sound, which is obvious. If I go that route I may try the EVH on top like the BE412 from Friedman. If that doesn't work for me, I may have an M cab and an H cab.
What an epic amp collection
I've been frustrated chasing my tone for a while, I'd been considering swapping out the V30s in my cab for greenbacks...this video settled it! No comparison!
It’s been one month. Have you done it?? Did you like it? I also wanna swap my v30 with greenbacks
V30s have a lot of cone rasp. Personally if you want a slightly brighter tone, I recommend the G12M65 Creamback.
Or the Heritage G12-H30 55hz - they will cut through a band mix.
Greenbacks on top, V30’s on bottom… great combo. Otherwise I can’t stand V30’s by themselves. Putting them on the bottom helps account for their higher sensitivity.
Try V30s and Classic Leads, either in a X pattern or Classic Leads on the bottom because they have balls.
Personally, it's a just a hard pass on V30s for me.
But it does mean the audience gets all that top end right in their faces lol
I would love to hear a comparison between v30s, greenbacks, G-75, and G-100!
Get on Zilla Cabs channel. I don’t think there is a comparison they have not done, clean to metal and many different amps.
People say that the G sound scooped but i think the V30's sound scooped. The G's have more bark to them. If I was going to compare.
The "made in England" greenbacks, not the Chinese.
Go to Johan Segeborn channel!!👍🏻👍🏻
@@riffwebster3784 Are the V30s brighter... like for Modern Metal?
I’m switching out my v30s for the greenbacks after this. Sounds way better to me. Plus I use an evh 5150 through a 212 Mesa cab and I can’t get the highs out no matter what but those greenbacks sound PERFECT
You gotta set your highs and miss lower than you usually would on other amps. I used to own the 6505 with a 4x12 mesa and could not get a decent tone till I dialed back all my setting. Highs at 5, mids at 4 and everything else to your taste
the mesa 212 is really boxy compared to the 4x12 cab.
I have a Friedman vertical 2x12 with two V30's in it and a VHT vertical 2x12 with a DV77 in the top and a H75 Creamback in the bottom.
I love mixing and matching them together with my different amps and getting different sounds.
Convenient timing, right after Spectre Sound Studios just made a video claiming the SPEAKERS are the biggest part of your overall tone. This video proves him 100% CORRECT! The difference between those two cabinets is HUGE! 🎸
Glen came and bought 2 of my vin30s because of the speaker code. Even the production date matters. Personally I love the sound of chinese greens. Another experiment is just using the same cab open vs closed back.
@@thorinbane true. I had one cab that sounded way better as a 7/8th's closed back than fully closed. I just moved the back panel up one screw space and that little 2" opening across the bottom made all the difference in the world! I believe it was my Mesa Roadster 2×12 combo if I recall...
I have a Friedman cabinet with Greenbacks on top and V30's on the bottom, and it sounds AMAZING with a 100w 1959HW plexi, which was really surprising to me as V30 mid spike + Marshall doesn't do it for the old school tones I like, but honestly it lets the amp excel at everything from funk to brootalz. I've come to learn it's not about having an amp with 4 channels and 3 modes on each, but rather an amp with one channel, excellent volume knob sensitivity, and speakers that can cater to a wide range of vibes.
Damn I really want one of those cabs! I’ve read nothing but good things. You nailed it about amps vs speakers. Most people that complain about an amp or a cab just need to run it with different speakers. I’ll probably end up with more speaker combos than amps at the rate I’m going. The only V30 pure cab I have is the VHT Fat Bottom 2x12. Another killer speaker to pair with V30s: G12H Anniversary.
After almost 30 years of playing guitar I've finally come to that same conclusion as well. My single channel Modded Marshall is really all I need. But do I want 15 heads? The answer is yes. Emphatically yes.
I like a blend of Greenbacks and G12-65 Heritage speakers.
Yeah, I was gonna suggest that when you look at people like Mastodon and Primus cabinets they usually have some mix of speakers instead of all of them just being the same, with slots for 4 cones if you split the difference and only swap two of them out we get an even different response curve at the output (but you need to be careful of which mic goes on which speaker if you are chasing a gremlin).
The peavey invective 4 X 12 has a similar deal where they arrange Creambacks and V30s in an X pattern. It's a big cab. I'm very tempted....
Both together was glorious. The good aspects of the Greenbacks masked the downsides of the V30s, and vice versa - they combined into a really full-bodied tone.
You EQ'd the amp to sound good with the greenbacks, then also played it thru the v30s. I bet if you EQ'd the amp to sound badass with the v30's then played thru greenbacks it'd sound like a 1930s radio
THIS. People REALLY overlook how much the amp's EQ can make or break different speakers/cabs. Not blaming Ola, but lots of people in the comments are saying the v30s sound lke shit when it's not actually the case.
@@plumbummusic2051 He also mention, in the video, about being able to adjust the EQ on the V30s to help with tone. So I don't think people will be overlooking that fact if they watch the video all the way through....
@@lovescarguitar You're giving guitar players too much credit, based on the comments in this video you'll see what I mean by people overlooking the amp's tonestack, many are saying something like "wow the v30 sounded like shit in comparison" or "I prefer the GBs over the v30s". Also musicians will spend hundreds of dollars on new stuff before tweaking something in their equipment that was made to balance (or "equalize") different frequency responses.
My favorite combo is 2x Greenbacks, 2x V30s in an X pattern. You get the cut and the definition of the V30s, with the mids and warmth of the Greenbacks. It's like they're made for eachother. Oh and for context, i run a Peavey 6505+ through a Mesa cab.
This is very specific and of second importance but I am just curious: which speaker is left/right on your X pattern and do you prefer to be standing on the left or right side of your cab when you play with that setup?
@baluchon2505 In my opinion, there isn't much difference sonically which is on which side. (From a distance.) But the top row is Greenback L, V30 R. The bottom row is V30 L, Greenback R.
@baluchon2505 although when I've done both greenbacks on the bottom and the V30s on the top, it's yielded some interesting results. Kind of highlights the accents of the drivers.
@@JubbyDubbis Thank you for answering so quickly. I am planning on trying a similar set up so I was curious.
I have a 2x12 with one V30 and one G12H 30th anniversary Greenback and I love the mix of them both. I have the cabinet set so I can use one or the other, or both together.
I use creambacks in a 2x12 for my 6505 with a dimebucker for D standard death metal in the style of Vader. Shit rips!
I love speaker shootouts so thanks for posting!
Another great video, Ola. That Marshall cab sounded pretty rough before. I like it better than the Mesa now. I hear a fizzy/buzzy quality from the Mesa that bothers me. I guess that would be the "harshness". I also tend to like mids, so....
I watched the Rabea and Nolly video showing off the newest GGD cab IR's, and they're all V30's and each one is so different sounding so I'd love to hear comparisons of the same speakers over the years and how they all sound different.
Cabinets make a difference as well. Maybe they were not using the same ones throughout.
The Greenbacks are presenting the guitar as if it were a violin. The V30s are presenting the guitar as if it were a chainsaw
The EVH through the greenbacks sound a million times better than the V30's in a guitar only situation. There maybe a different perception when comparing in a mix but regardless this video helped me decide to get an EVH to pair with my Marshall 1960AX cab with greenbacks and it sounds FANTASTIC. I actually prefer to avoid 5150 variants because it's such a common sound but this pairing put it on another level making the 5150 not fall into that typical sound we got use to hearing when paired with a V30.
Good video.
Hey, is there a different If i buy an Harley Benton or and EVH cabinet with the Same speaker? Im pretty new here :)
I have a cab with two legend 75’s and two eminence texas heats…. It sounds pretty good!
I have to favor the greenbacks. Can never go wrong with them. V30's seem finicky.
Marshall cab slays that OS Mesa cab in this comparison
More speaker tone tests! Show some love for budget speakers like the Celestion V-type or underdog Classic Lead 80.
Love you Ola.
Classic lead 80's are great. I love them and have 4 of them in my cab.
And 70/80s
V types are premium speakers regardless of their cost. Imho they’re just a better version of the v30’ish sound
I just raised enough money to buy a real head and cab rig, and thought I was gonna need v30s but now I’m finding the greenbacks to be much closer to the tones that I like. Thanks!
V30 would sounded a lot better if you tweaked the amp EQ rather than optimising it for the greenbacks.
I've been a happy Greenback convert for years. One of the greatest speakers of all time.
I always thought greenbacks were better for classic rock and vintage 30s for more modern stuff.
Wow, those greenbacks sound A LOT better to my ears, at least by themselves. In a mix, though, it might be different.
Let me help. Greenbacks are the bomb, V30s sound like shite.
Harsh, but fair. Greenbacks we’re the preference for Devin Townsend.
Black backs are awesome too
In this head to head, I prefer the Marshall cabinet, but they pair beautifully. I've always been told that the 75s that everyone did they hate pair well with V30s.
Exactly what I did back in my amp days, Marshall straight cab with 2 G12T 75's and 2 V30's, sounded great for me.
I guess we are all part of the same club because I have also done this as well staggered. The speaker mix creates a good balance.
I run Celestion Vintage 30 and Creamback H75 speakers in an x-pattern in my Peavey 430A cab, which is pretty much a full 1960A clone now that I have replaced the particle board back with an MDF one. I deleted the PCB when fitting the new backboard and rewired it 16 ohm mono series/parallel with 16AWG wire. Sounds great and it's 240W
The combination of those speakers is the rock/metal sound to my ears.
The greenback absolutely murdered the V30
Mixing speakers is so much fun. Better to put greenbacks on top and V30s at the bottom rather than an X pattern - V30s are noticeably louder so will dominate a little side-by-side. I mix H75 creambacks with V30s for a great tone.
I been wanting to check this out
Greenbacks always sounded like you took a blanket off the speakers compared to the V30. You should do a speaker colab video with Johan Segeborn! Old school vs new school!
From this side the Marshall definitely sounds WAY better. Has much more clarity, crunch, bite, articulation - the mesa cab sounds mushy, bassy, and fizzy in comparison - like a radio station not quite dialed in to tune. When you mixed the two it just mucked up the Marshall sound. I'm sure it probably sounded different in the room - but that's how it came across to me from this side.
Agreed. The Marshall cab owns!
Been saying for a long time, Greenbacks rules🤘🏻
Love my T-75s also. So a T-75 vs GBK comparising is what you need to do Ola. With a JVM or DSL head👍🏻
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V30 and Greenies in an X pattern! My favorite cab is V30 X Creambacks. Does every genre perfectly especially the brutz. 🤘
I think this is the ultimate blend. They both make up for the short comings of the other speaker. The only amp i would not do this with would be the Jubilee.
Hahaha I almost commented the same thing but I figured someone else said it first haha
I prefer Creambacks and Greenbacks in an X pattern. Never loved the V30. A bit harsh for my tastes.
@@Turboy65 in my pretty music rig lol I have a creamback and a greenback and it’s beautiful…ima hook the Uberschall to it and try it out. Although I really feel the v30 go really well with Bogner stuff because they can get flubby
*_WHICH_* Creambacks? There are 3 different kinds that I know of.
Rhe best option is pair the greenbacks and V30 together. I pair V30s with creamback M65s which is basically a higher powered slightly darker and slightly warmer greenback and it's by far my favorite speaker combo. From classic rock to metal that combo can do it all . From Bad company to new wave of British heavy metal like iron maiden and Samson . From somdgarden to Sepultra and beyond that speaker combo sounds fantastic no matter what you throw at it just a perfect sound all around..
I really love the M65 and agree it mixes well with the V30. I recently mixed one with a G12H Anniversary in a vertical 2x12 and I think I like it even better than with the V30.
been mixing these two for years 2 v30 and 2 green's always thought it sounded awesome
You , could had played a little more with the both cabs running together. But great video, greenbacks are the sh*t for my taste of high gain tones.
glad the lamb of god riffs are gonna be a recurring thing
Always been a Greenback fans
The Greenbacks sound miles better then the V30's. The V30's sound like fried asshole.
Ola bay bay can you do one with all the cabs turned on I know you can do it now lol always remember more metal than anyone is more cabs than anyone . Also show us the hotwire trick to double the power
Huge improvement in that Marshall cab! The Greens sound good...
Ola, have You listened to Aeon's new album 'God Ends Here'? If not, I recommend! 🤘
As always, it's about context. In isolation the v30s sounded very harsh, but in the right mix, they are going to cut through nicely. Greenbacks sound 'nicer' in isolation and will match a different style of mix better.
Yeah I like v30s in a Mesa 4x12 cab (especially oversized) as it seems to give more bass and fullness than v30s in a Marshall or any other cab except maybe an Engl but in my view Engl has made some of the best high gain amps & cabs since Marshall and Mesa came along. The 30w Greenbacks (and the heavy version, though I see a lot more mediums) are cool too and a little overlooked (but get a good metal sound with some punk influence) but the 25 watt Greenback is the classic of course.
I think different heads match better with certain speakers too. My Mesa sounds amazing through V30's but when I plug it into my Marshall cab with GT-75's it doesn't sound nearly as good. The same is true when I plug my Marshall DSL into the Mesa cab...it just doesn't sound as good as it does through the Marshall cab. Plugging either head into both cabs though...amazing when mixed.
horrible comparison. different mics annnnd cabs?? that said the marshall cab sounds good but needs more bite
I find the G12M's wonderful, V30's don't do it for me. G12H's are a good balance between the two.
Doing cleans would be FAR more revealing.....
Not really because the distortion brings more harmonic content, which reveals better the differences between the frequency response of the speakers
Sounds like a match made in heaven.
I’ve been using my Mesa cabs for 20 plus years until I bought an EVH head and 4x12 3 years ago, now I use the EVH cab with all my heads. Sounds great.
05:53 I was just thinking that!
Great video. I really like those greenbacks. Can you make or do you already have a greenback vs cream back video?
Celestion V30 v/s WGS Veteran 30🔥
Ola try eminence wizards and governor combo in another 4x12 That is a great combo and less money then celestions
Try the Creambacks!!! I have a creamback G12m and a V30 on my Zilla and sound is fuckin awesome ;)
Yes, that's correct Ola, the tone absolutely killed when fired both up at once!👍👍
Nice comparison video. Using both separately, the Greenback cab could be used to record for rhythm guitar parts and the V30 could be used to record for lead guitar parts.
Good switch out on speakers. Marshall for leads Mesa for rythem 😎👍
V30's sounded like Line 6 Spider on INSANE mode compared to the Greenbacks
Totally would dig both characters in one cabinet with the "x" pattern. I'm also a big fan of Creambacks.
Together it sounded epic! Greenbacks sounded more dynamic to me.🤘🏻
But what if you switched the heads on those cabs? Shiiiiiiit
Damn when ola just turn on both and start playing gojira that shit just give me goosebumps.
I absolutely love blending the greenbacks with V30s, any heavy shit i record or even when it comes to Live IRS its ALWAYS Greenbacks with V30s blend
I like the standalone tone of the greenbacks, but the mix of the two sounds even better. I would use the mix for rhythm, and the greenbacks for lead.
Here is proof that speakers have a ton to do with your tone.
Waiting for Peavey invictive 2x12 cab to come in, it’s got a v30 and cream back so should have a relatively similar combo like the greenback and v30 super hyped for it
The V30 x Greenie works better for 4x12…. In 2x12 the V30 will overpower the Greenie in a horizontal pattern.
The green backs sound really good. I like the more mid focused sound of them.
The V30’s sound total low fidelity. Like a Chainsaw before you EQ out the bad frequencies. I’d much rather have the Greenback sound out of the gate and not have to do anything regarding adding an EQ
Marshall cabs with Greenbacksl rocks.
Idk why but never like v30 in marshall cabs
I mix the stock Peavey Sheffields with Greenbacks in my Peavey Ms412 oversized cab. Its got mono and stereo wiring for ton of different tones and these Peavey cabs are cheap.
That was the best comparison video ever, I could actually hear the difference and the personality of each cab🤘 bad ass Ola! That V30 and Green back combination is amazing! Thank you....
Ola...put some dang ole EV's in yhat cab sir! Cant beat EV's. The best I have ever used. Thanks so much for all you do! #1 biggest fan and Louise too! My wife is awesome too!
i love the combo sound of both together. i am would try Eminence Wizard with NordiK Gjallarhorn
good gawwwwwd brb ordering some greenbacks!
I like v30's so much tighter! You can always eq down some highs.
Greenback for the win, although I have both myself and find them very similar your demo is more high gain.
I also have a rock 20 wizard cab that sounds amazing, cheers
I have a Jet City 1x12 Cab loaded with V30 Celestion and an Eminence Swap Thang.
This Combo creates brutal ass kicking sound.
I tried this combo before. Sounded good. But my all time fav in the room sound is a v30/manowar. No man of war doesn't sound like a gt 75.
Sounds killer with greenbacks! Does anybody know a service to change speakers in Stockholm?
I typically prefer V30’s (taste is always subjective) but this may be one demo that I actually prefer greenies.
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If I had to choose based on this video, I like the Greenbacks muh better. The V30s sound like a little bit too much to my taste. However I do see where then can be really useful, and also the combination of both is sick.
So the greenbacks sound good, but nothing sounded better then both cabs at the same time dude. That was heavenly!!! Whatever the greenbacks don’t have up high the other cab deff had covered and was just, awesome man!!! *chefs kiss*
Try an X pattern in both cabs.
ThatMarshal cab tone is so close to a couple tunes from St. Anger. Dirty window and Sweet Amber in particular. Love it!
I love the v30 and greenbacks in an X pattern with my Uberschall. Yeah when I first got the rig together my wife and kids left me after the house melted but it was worth it. And I’d do it again.
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Lamb of God!! 1:55
I'm very impressed with the sound of that Marshall cab