Breaking Bad Habits - On Court Interventions & Analysis With High Ranked Player
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Tom Allsopp provides a high ranked player with the knowledge of how to improve his forehand, allowing him to thoroughly understand what is holding him back.
Featuring Roger Federer and discussing the straight arm versus bent arm forehand.
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A lot of people seem confused about my message here. I don't think I was clear enough, but the major issue is that his arm is locked as he "pats the dog". You can have your strings facing the floor, you can have a straight arm at contact, but you can't straighten your arm while your strings face the floor and expect to hit a great forehand. Thanks.
TPA tennis isn’t the strings pointing toward the ground called the modern forehand
@@ethan.guidry5676 Hmm... It might be something you often see when you see someone with a modern forehand.
The “straight elbow” forehand in tennis is similarly misunderstood as the “straight left elbow” in golf. It’s straight but never rigid and rarely completely locked out. As you say, there has to be a degree of “elastic energy” and keeping it rigid is a long term recipe for injury!
Loved the very insightful analysis Tom. Looking forward to more of your videos. Well done.
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TPA tennis, your video is exactly what I needed . I've realised that I miss hit a lot when I lock the wrist in the 'pat the dog' position too. When I hit with a loose/relaxed wrist I misshit way less. I find it surprising that so many commenters have failed to understand your point, and you've to explain yourself .
Excellente analyse de ce coach, il a l'oeil, une fine analyse technique dans les moindres détails.
Excellent video. The 'looks like' RF very often produces all sorts of errors. Fortunately there are some great coaches like Tom...
fantastic video. honestly.
Great video, as always. Elastic potential energy is a thing lol. As well as gravitational potential energy. We need to be more in tune with our muscles and their ability to create elastic energy. It does come from looseness and it’s not easy to find if we’re tight for most of the stroke. There’s so much more that has to be explored but the hard part is breaking it down into digestible parts for everyone to understand and implement. The search continues!
Your client mimics Roger, but he's "just stiff". Right to the point. Great analysis 👍🕺
Thx. A nice highlight & breakdown of a relatively common problem I also find with adults who try to copy RF. The swing volley with a rapid feed is always a good starting point. Similar quick drop-feeding on the baseline helps too sometimes.
Yes. So many people trying to copy the Federer forehand get too rigid. Thanks for the comment!
omg i love you, my forehand looks exaclty like 1:36 and i have the same problem of strings facing down
5:10 He's not straightening his arm as part of his stroke.
He's doing it to ensure he still hits the sweet spot, because the ball is slightly further away...
I agree with your analysis, although, if you look at Nadal's backhand, his racquet face is staring right at the ground until about a foot before he makes contact. Therefore, this player can do the same while maintaining the integrity of his swing, as it is part of his muscle memory and any new major changes will take time to sink in.
You're not comparing the same thing. And the issue is that his arm is locked as the string face the floor.
I tried to copy Kyrgios' forehand once but found it tough on the elbow. Looks like he's creating power mostly from the arm rather than legs.
power mostly comes from the arm
O "estilingue" tem haver com a rotação do tronco que diminui antes do ponto de contato. Se for uma paralela as vezes ele continua a rotação mas dobrando bem o cotovelo. Vocês raramente falam disso.
Falta isso para esse aluno.
Maybe u forgot to mention that Federer's left shoulder facing towards or square to the court comparing to the other guy's positioning are too much of an Open Stance...😁✌
He’s golfing at the ball creating a licking motion. He needs to make more of a circular motion out and around, which will aide in letting his forearm rotate (flip) the racquet over to create the top spin. You can see Roger do it in the first video of him. I’ve seen a couple of videos from you talking about this straight stuff, that’s not the problem. Straight arms are completely fine with an eastern grip. The more you come around the grip, the more your are will be bent.
Straight arm too early is a problem, not necessarily at contact. Moving the grip does not necessarily change this, if this is the error. I don’t understand the golf comparison but I agree he’s side-spinning up the ball.
@@TomAllsopp What I mean by the golf comparison is that he swings down, keeps his arm too close to his body, then swings up more like a pendulum. Or maybe you could say like a ferris wheel, where he needs to swing more like a tilted merry-go-round. As far as the grip goes, use extremes to test my theory. Use a straight arm with an eastern grip, then use a bent arm with a full western grip and you should feel what I'm talking about. Straight arm early won't matter (eastern) if you swing with the tilted merry-go-round technique once you set the lag.
@@TheWakeupsheeple straight arm early alway matters because it becomes a shot from the shoulder. Straight arm is less likely to happen with a western… I doubt there’s anything I haven’t tried in the last 30 years
@@TomAllsopp this is the proper way to look at teaching a forehand without talking about the straight arm you seem so intent on bringing up. You are obviously a good player and with all due respect, you come up a little short on the "physics" of what creates the shot technique. Although he doesn't go through the physics of shot creation here, it's pretty apparent in the video I supplied what dictates the straight/bent arm and it's the grip (for the most part). A bent arm helps create even more spin, which I'm a huge proponent of, but a straight arm is not a hindrance in shot making for those who learn or use it. 30 years of experience is a great stat, but one should always take a look at evolving to be their very best. You are doing great work here, just keep your eyes and ears open to something you may not have seen or heard.
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@@TheWakeupsheeple I brought up the straight arm forehand because that was his issue. I’ve only mentioned it in 2 videos. Too straight too soon is a problem. The grip plays a role but Nadal can do it and del potro can do it, with very different grip. And Nadal seems to get a lot of topspin… But they don’t do it too soon. Study those physics!
Did you really think I was going to learn something from that video? Haha
You mean Federer got lots od pre stretch. Lose hand and grip can help
I like the vid overall, but don't you think that "string facing down or not",
is more about grip than straight arm? Fed is a bit more eastern, and that puts his racket a bit more on edge, whereas those more to western will often have the strings directly down.....Imo that isn't very related to straight arm or bent to any great extent....what do you think?
The error is locking the arm in the pat the dog. This starts a very bad chain of events. I also don't think the grip is very relevant here. Federer pats the dog more than anyone, the strings just shouldn't face the floor on the approach to the ball because, players need to supinate, Chris isn't in the before clip.Thanks for the comment.
@@TomAllsopp ok, we can agree to disagree. It is obvious that all you need to do is twist Fed's grip to western and his strings will be facing straight down. I'm also not a fan of the straight arm Fh though, but for better reasons Imo. THis player can't lock the arm in the "pat the dog", because he never hits the Pat the dog position.
Chuck T. This has nothing to do with the straight arm forehand. The error is the arm being straight prior to swinging forwards. Pro’s don’t do that, and it’s not because of the grip. Djokovic has the grip further around and he’ll not have the strings facing the floor as he swings to the ball because you need to supinate.
@@TomAllsopp sorry, but yes the pros who use the Straight arm Fh often do have the SA structure set prior to, or as they swing forward, just as Verdasco does here th-cam.com/video/MGfrK5eNvcs/w-d-xo.html at the 9sec mark. I think you did a nice job of helping the player and as stated earlier, I'm not a fan of the SA Fh anyway...But I don't think your fix addresses the real problem long term. The actual problem for your student was that he is still doing the big C take-back without the 'pat the dog' which hurts his timing and leads to him having a weak slot position or missing it altogether at times. If you could help him learn to pat the dog, which is prior to the slot btw, not at the pull ... then learn the "flip" with the idea of trending more to the "swivel" as he improves, he could develop a more consistently solid slot position with better timing. The flip is pretty key to on a SA Fh, as is a good "slot position".
@@chtomlin Ok, you found one, congrats. Verdasco's arm isn't locked though, which is why he can transfer energy through the rest of the arm. Chris locks his arm in the pat the dog position and then pulls the racket from his shoulder.
He was just hitting the ball too far out in front. He was too far extended... Hence the straight /stiff arm. If he just learns to wait an extra half-second... He'll likely be perfect as his arm will straighten out THROUGH the contact point.
Josh G cool theory. I disagree
Tom Allsopp You are of course the expert and I'm only looking at your video. But it seems your solution focused on taking away the student's preparation time. In so doing it both caused the student to loosen up his elbow, but it also (perhaps, just a cool theory) resulted in moving the contact point backwards a very small amount. I think your instruction and correction were totally on point, I'm just wondering if perhaps, the CAUSE of the shot going off was due to tension as a result of the arm getting slightly ahead at the point of contact. I found I do this myself on easier forehands at times when I am trying to place an easier forehand... But I don't have the problem ever when just reacting to a ball with more pace. In remembering to wait on the ball when hitting an "easy" forehand, I have been much more consistent AND my elbow is also less tense and slightly bent. I just could never "tell myself" to keep my arm slightly bent. I tried and it was always too late when I did... The swing is in motion and couldn't adjust or I would have a weak floppy elbow that lacked my full body weight behind the shot. Sorry not meaning to question your coaching or approach... I'm a big fan. I just wanted to share my experience. Thanks for the great videos!
Josh G sorry I was a bit snappy there. Your theory and explanation definitely isn’t wrong. It’s just incredibly difficult for him to bend his arm. The drills were meant to have him supinate and square up the racket which will allow him to bend his arm. It’s all a bit chicken and the egg, but obviously I had the benefit of throwing different ideas and challenges at him. Thanks for the comment and how you delivered it.
It's all in the wrist flip..pro's can time it and are more flexible than amateurs.
Wrist flip. Got it.
Better look at a Federer clip during a real match instead of practice to see how flexible his arm is at swing time ...
Andrew what will this achieve?