Advanced Forehand Kinetic Chain Lesson - Snapping The Wrist
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- Tom Allsopp is preparing Nitzan for the pro tour as they travel coast to coast across America. Follow their journey and receive extra content at: tpatennis.com/...
This lesson was really helpful to Nitzan. He had been focusing on the arm pronation but I decided to switch his focus to the wrist. This gave him more racket speed, feel, and the ability to naturally pronate his arm. I hope it helps you too.
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Sometimes explaining things a differently gets it to click. It helped Nitzan, hopefully it helps you. Stay tuned to the end to see the coast to coast roadtrip me and Nitzan have planned. Link also in the description below. Thanks!
@@goggleboy2464 you not understanding the the wrist being still is not my fault. But this might help you. th-cam.com/video/OHaGz9s8aow/w-d-xo.html
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I did not know what I actually did when hitting the ball right till/when I did not hit it well till I saw your video. Could not believe it in the first attempt. But you are completely right. Respect. Awesome stuff.
This is the first video from which I finally understood how it works. It's not the windshield wiper as others describe it. The first two minutes did the job. Thanks a lot, already feeling the improvement on court!
I've watch a lot of coaches on TH-cam and only recently your videos started popping up and I'm glad they did because you are an amazing coach. Thank you, a new subscriber.
Dude! I had a breakthrough today, been watching a lot of your vids and your explanation of the kinetic chain just really made sense to me. I've been thinking about it actively while hitting. I've had decent wrist action, pretty consistent with my swing and placement but even though I'd been taking a massive swing and connecting in the sweet spot, it just wasn't translating to the power I felt like my swing should have been producing. Today I started focusing on the slight shoulder pause just at the moment after lag and before contact. It's so slight but the feeling is magic. You can suddenly feel the racket acting as a sling, and the power was astounding! It actually caught me off guard at first. I really thought I was getting everything right before and thought I just had the wrong combo of racquet and string, or who knows?? When I pulled everything together today, it felt zen, like time stopped and ball, racquet and me became one!! That sounds corny, but it was really an experience. The greatest thing is it also feels like a switch that can be turned on when the time is right. Like engaging an afterburner. Anyhow, thanks! You've got a great teaching style and I really hope your channel takes off!
Thanks mate. Really happy for you. Sign up to the link in the description. I think you'll love it and it would help your game.
So all you really did was slow down/pause the shoulder to have this experience that amazed you?
@@watcher687 that could do it. Sometimes its the little things.
@@watcher687 well, it was the final piece of the puzzle. I realized how similar the mechanics are to throwing a baseball sidearm. I grew up doing that, so the muscle memory was there. For whatever reason, throwing a baseball had always been an intuitive experience but swinging a racquet wasn’t. So all it took was a shift in thinking and a small physical adjustment.
I've had exactly the same thing happen recently! I've got a long way to go to be able to repeat this consistently as it vanished the next time I played, but it totally lines up with your description. In that timing , with that 'golden pause' lol, when the whole chain is synched up, with the frame feeling like an extension of my hand, suddenly, I was nailing FH's in such a sweet, powerful, perfectly timed and executed manner. As mentioned though, I now have to get this down, understand it better (this vid looks like it might help), and turn it into something I can conjure up consciously and with regularity, as opposed to something that appears from out of the blue and is really more a 'feeling' thing, one of those rare 'zen moments' that can happen from time to time. Anyhow. Nice one mate. I really chimed with your experience.
Brilliant stuff as always. Love the emphasis on the fact that every shot will be a little different - in fact that's the beauty of tennis and adapting to each shot is something to enjoy. I've been in this straightjacketed approach of trying to repeat exactly the same swing... and failing, obviously.
Looking forward to following your tennis road trip journey!
Best explanation of tennis forehand I saw on youtube. Thanks a lot
Very helpful video. Already getting more pace on the forehand with this . Can you do a version of this for the 2 HBH ?
Good video Tom as always💪🏻
It’s all about refining the kinetic chain.
I like you pointed out that if one link decalerates so the other can speed extra: that’s the power of decaleration and the way to let the tip of the racket whip.
Also good t show how the racket takes takes over. Most people know the sequence of the kinetic chain before the hit, but not that much will be aware that after the hit the kinetic chain reverse itself. So racket, than arm and then body/legs.
Keep up the good work, looking forward to the footage of your trip😁
Another excellent video lesson on the correct sequencing of the kinetic chain, Tom. In Nitzan’s case, getting him to focus on the racquet tip so that he properly releases (“overtakes”) past the forearm/wrist did the trick. What a huge improvement in efficiency of his pronation through impact, and more importantly, he has obviously now got the required feel so he should be able to work on it himself.
Bringing back some parallels to golf swing theory since you obviously are a keen golfer too, Ralph Mann did some nice computer modelling which showed that in the kinetic sequence of the golf swing, as the leading part “hands over” to the next one, it has to slow down so that the subsequent part can speed up to keep the sequence in sync. If this does not happen, the club gets stuck behind the body and the club cannot release through properly and square up the face at impact. Obviously this sort of biomechanical research is much easier to do in golf where each swing starts from the same static position.
Really glad I've just found this channel. Only the second vid I've seen, but for this here jaded hacker, I'm finding the content to be gold!
I had never heard this! I love the idea of the racquet overtaking the arm. And Nitzan's forehand looks vastly improved.
Yes, I like it on the wall in the end the most I think.
Best piece of advice in the video: "I am not suggesting this will work for everyone. I am just focussing on Nitzan..." PRO ADVICE
I think of it as releasing the wrist through contact and letting your shoulder internally rotate and forearm pronate back to neutral from its previous supinated position. It takes effort trying to keep the wrist fixed and extended during the followthrough, effort that is counterproductive, acting against the path of the swing, slowing it down.
Let your arm naturally hang down by your side. Notice the palm faces in or even backwards. The forward swing places the palm between facing forward or up depending on grip. This puts tension in the arm that must be released for a smooth fast swing.
Just like when throwing a fastball, you want to keep the index and middle finger behind the ball through release, but you have to then let your shoulder and forearm rotate in to not fight against the natural position your arm wants to return to. If you don't focus on keeping your fingers behind the ball, they and your arm will naturally prefer to roll to the inside of the ball, like throwing a screwball.
Hope you had a great trip!
I really wish everybody heard that bit about every shot is different and you cant hit that perfect shot every time. Golden advice!
Great discussion of the issue, but I think the solution isn't about consciously thinking about snapping your wrist .. it will happen naturally if you are getting good lag & snap & feeling the weight of the racket head/ tip - a sensation that's the result of centrifugal force - which causes the head to snap thru the contact point unless you are gripping too tight and/ or muscling the shot. Like you always say - the snap at contact is part of a natural throwing motion - sidearm for the FH - 3/4s or over the top for the serve.
All I can say is that my old school pendulum/ weight transfer FH was a hard habit to break because I'd been doing it for years. It was easy to hit hard against consistent pace, but hard to generate lots of spin or generate my own pace when receiving slow or high balls or lots of heavy top spin jumping up high. The fix was going to a more dynamic throwing/ whipping FH but it was hard to change even though I can throw a baseball and football - tennis was different . right? No - it's not, but it took me a long time and a lot of shadow strokes until I started to 'feel' it .. feel the racket head snapping thru the contact point - and now it feels so natural & easy that I can't believe I was doing it incorrectly for so long.
Shadow strokes - hundreds/ thousands of them in your living/ family room - was the fix for me. I grab my racket from a chair and do 5-10-15 shadow swings in between commercials when I get up from the couch on my way to the fridge or pantry. There's no ball to hit so there's no pressure. I just try to be loose and try to feel the weight of the racket head. Eventually, I started to feel & hear the snap/ whistle of the racket tip snapping thru contact. Not saying it's the only way, but it's what allowed me to experiment with tons of swing paths and slightly modified grips ( moved from continental to eastern to almost semi-western on high balls) feel the weight of the racket head & feel it snap thru the contact point using different swing paths for low, medium & high ball swing paths. After hundreds of shadow strokes & hitting against a wall, I created new muscle memory.
Long story short - now hitting my FH is very easy on my body and you start getting that elusive ' easy power and spin.
I'm older so I'm not trying to hit every shot as hard as I possibly can. Now I just concentrate on getting to the ball and staying ' on balance' - which is much easier now that I'm not trying to generate power & spin solely with weight transfer & body rotation - i.e. - without muscling the shot.
Force = mass x acceleration. You want the racket head moving way faster at the tip than at the hand .. like a whip or wet towel. It's why a good carpenter can pound nail a with ease vs. the novice who tries to generate power just with the arm and body.
Thanks for your elaborate comment, it's very helpful. I too see the elusive graceful power and hope to get there someday.
But it wasn't happening naturally. It needed activating. Thanks for the comment
Nice! Lead with the elbow, throw the arm, the wrist/hand overtakes the arm. The "Live Arm"
I think the wrist not releasing might actually be a symptom and not a cause. Try accelerating the racquet head/wrist just a half second earlier. This way, the racquet head will be traveling faster at contact and will naturally roll over after contact. When the acceleration starts too late, it ends up looking "pushy" as you accelerate through and after contact rather than reach that maximum speed just before contact.
Hey Tom, I just signed up. Looking forward to it. In this video it sounds like you’re saying the wrist/hand should have radial deviation just prior, during and after contact. Am I right?
In short, the wrist has to be relaxed and allowed to flex forward from its extended, laid back position to facilitate the internal rotation of the shoulders and forearm to produce a smooth wiper followthrough.
Also, the wiper motion is more apparent and feels more natural when your swing path is more inclined and you visualize brushing or driving the ball with a closed racquet face and contacting the ball above its equator. Conversely, when your swing path is less inclined and you visualize driving through the equator of the ball with a perpendicular or even slightly open racquet face, it feels more manufactured.
Great video.
For my part, I tend to let the forearm (muscles) take over when I fail to fire properly through the shoulder. Ie when I get stuck in a position, f.inst. on a mid court put-away ball, I sometimes tend to misfire from the (fore)arm bc even if I try to fire from the ground up, the kinetic chains disconnects around the shoulder and/or hips. As a result, there is hardly any (pushing) motion from the shoulder on, or if there is, it's not leveraged as an impulse for the throwing motion.
Imo, the problem is that the kinetic chain goes is a series of accelerations that start with what best can be described as "pushing", from the legs, through the hips, shoulders, elbow, through to the wrist that can best de described as the "snap". I.e. almost all links/joints in the kinetic chain accelerate pretty slow ("pushing") with the exception of the wrist. And it seems to me that the lack of impulse created by the shoulder is the one that causes the most problems for a lot of players.
Awesome lesson Coach! Thx so much!
Thank you!
If Nitzan's been playing most of his matches in S.F. then, yes, it's going to be different playing someplace else. The temps in S.F. usually don't go above 70 degrees -- when you play on the Peninsula or in the East Bay is gets a lot hotter so the ball is way more lively. So, I think that when you play outside of the city you probably need to focus on spin more to keep the shots under control in the warmer weather.
The thing that makes this so difficult, is exactly as you say: if you're late, you have no chance of snapping the wrist, and all you're left with is "muscling" the ball.
Add to that, if you're too lose, you can create an impressive speed in the "snap" but the lack of control will make it very hard to hit the ball dead center in the sweet zone, which equals to loss of power. Another pitfall of being too lose, is that you'll have a hard time against heavy pace, where you absolutely need a solid base from feet through the hips and shoulders, to "back up" the shot. I guess this has to do with being able to transfer weight into the shot effectively in a very small window, time-wise.
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good stuff ...but strange I could not ring the bell to get all new vids ... was that intentional ??
Brilliant..... as I also don’t let it rotate , hence struggle with top spin...👌🏻
Thank you. I have to focus on the wrist a lot or I get a bit tight.
fantastic vid
Great points about adaptable swing Medvedev is a prime example
I am confused by two contradicting views, I keep hearing. One says flick the wrist like you said the other says that leads to wrist injuries and let the movement naturally happen Could you clarify?
when you speak about adaptability and maneuverability, are you saying that this "racquet throwing hand work" is more adaptable compared to his old swing? thanks!
Yes its partly that reason because the more he can manoeuvre his arm and wrist the more he can adapt. But also I meant that just because he has this "new" forehand he can't just do that one swing like a robot.
Thanks Coach. Great lesson as always. Quick question. When letting go of the racket (letting it take over) at the contact, we may loose the sense of control. How do we deal that?
Don't let go of the racket. Feel the contact and get the spin you desire.
I felt like it all allowed the racquet to get out in front of me just a bit and I felt like that was where I could feel the control. Don't take my word for it, it's a new technique for me and it all just came together today, but, I was really surprised how minor an adjustment it was and all it seemed to affect was the power.
Thanks. I guess it’s a delicate balance that requires a lot of practice & reps to get the effortless power with enough level of control.
@@TomAllsopp I see. I guess the right sensation would be to brush the back of the ball very quickly with the whipping action that we get from the right kinetic chain. Not so much of a whipping forward, it’s more of an upward & across swing right at the contact.
@@Widmer09 if you watch my swings at the end they don’t have much topspin because my approach to the ball is still relatively linear.
That intuitive tennis guy says don't do this, but I don't vibe with that guy. When do you start the doorknob feeling? If I do at contact the ball seems to hit the net.
Does the idea of trying to slap the ball with spin work?
Very good lessons from you! Thanks a lot! But!!! - maybe thinking "wrist first - pronation second" is more productive. But in reality wrist can not make pronation before the forearm. Forearm initiate pronation, and wrist goes with forearm, because it fixed firmly and can not go round separately!
It depends if you’re talking before or after contact
@@TomAllsopp Obviously, we are talking about what happens before contact. In my opinion, the best explanation would be this: at a certain moment, we kind of "throw" (ballistically) the racket into a circular motion and "allow" it to pull the kinetic chain behind it in the reverse order: racket, wrist, forearm, shoulder. But that's in my opinion.
@@TomAllsopp The same thing happened with Sampras on the serve, as far as I understand.
@@TomAllsopp By focusing our thoughts on the wrist, it may seem to us that it is first in line. But anatomically, this cannot be: in order to move the wrist, we must move the forearm. My remark was only about this.
Yes you are correct. But after contact the wrist has to be first. This is what I was trying to get him to achieve
when I try to actively roll the wrist like this, I tend to frame a lot, do you have any advice to fix that?
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I do this wrist roll by mistake and I bottom frame a lot of forehands. Need to get rid of it
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How to keep a clean contact through the motion?
highlight of Tom's video channel at 7:12
Question does it your wrists can get injured that Way
Very good but really very good too bad I'm in Italy otherwise I would come to you to improve. Arturo
Nick kyrious was a master forehand pronator.
Don’t you get wrists problems by turning the wrist like you suggested
For a powerful forehand ii is not necessary to roll the wrist - instead the wrist on the back-swing will be dorsi-flexed and as the arm swings forward for a top-spin the wrist will move from ulnar-deviation to radial-deviation. Tennis instructors should take the time to learn about the 6-actions of the wrist starting with the neutral wrist, which is not an action, but the starting point for the six different actions, which come in pairs.
Correct, it is not necessary to roll the wrist for power. If you're receiving more views lately its because i've been sharing your videos!
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this is probably the first step of understanding but the higher level you shouldn't be doing this manually it has to be part of the swing, which means it is all cores, legs, footwork etc.
This is how you train your body to do new things. He has the footwork, core, legs….
@@TomAllsopp I agree, but there are many different ways to do the core and legs. For one, I think his footwork center too much on linear push. Should focus more on more rotational instead. Otherwise this way of wrist movement feels forced.
@@pencilcheck you’re not wrong
@Penn Su are you a coach?
@@TomAllsopp I had friend who were into coaching and coached their friends and children before. I learned some techniques on tennis coaching from that friend. He taught me how to help people and how to express in a way that helps students understand. Some drills and ways to say it that helps students mentally to get going etc. So maybe that helped influenced me to speak a bit like a coach.
Same problem for me travelling.
Does this only work with a SW grip? Eastern?
My grip is eastern, his is semi. If it gets more western or continental it my change things but you still need to use your hands.
If you look at Nadal hitting the forehand in slow motion he doesn't make any movement with his wrist, he leaves his wrist very relaxed, but the ball hitting the racket gives the impression that he is turning his wrist.
Watch here at 4:50
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You’re showing me a shank?
#momentum
LBW!
Rotating the ARM loses LOTS of power and spin! BOXERS (like Muhammad Ali) and KARATE practitioners (like Bruce Lee) use QUICK WRIST MOTION to "float like a butterfly and sting like a bee!" Quick WRIST MOTION (rapid pronation of the wrist with economy of motion) produces a WICKED UN-RETURNABLE SPIN on the ball! Check out THIS video lesson for Amateur Tennis Super Star Ian Westermann: th-cam.com/video/0GihwEy9esg/w-d-xo.html
You are showing the right things and your student understands what you are trying to get across but your terminology is off. The wrist doesn’t supinate or pronate, the forearm does. The wrist flexes, extends and has some radial and ulnar deviation. Grab your forearm just above the wrist and try to supinate or pronate your wrist. You can’t.
Yes you are correct, it’s the forearm that pronates but he’s gotta let the wrist go or the arm won’t move. Chicken and egg i guess
This “wrist snap” is a slippery slope.......the wrist is a complex joint, not a muscle and not a source of power.
Why isn’t it a source of power?
@@TomAllsopp The wrist is a joint made up of tendons, not muscles. I strongly suggest that you research this further and discuss with an MD or physiotherapist. Your player's safety is paramount.
The exception is specialty shots, like the topspin lob.
@@poida007 this is up there with the most nonsense comment I’ve had. Just because it’s not a muscle doesn’t mean it’s not a source of power. Good luck trying to generate power like the pros with using your wrist on a forehand. Wow
@@TomAllsopp The Role of the Wrist - Part 1 Forehand
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@@poida007 oh dear. I see you got all your knowledge from this video. Glad you found your guru. I’ll pass.
Weird forehand swing...
lol.
whats funny?