Porsche Cayman GT4 RS vs Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 (997) | Porsche’s greatest pairing?
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Porsche broke the mould with the Cayman GT4 RS. Cramming the 911 GT3’s 4.0-litre flat-six into the Cayman bodyshell was no mean feat - and the results are predictably spectacular. Look back into the history books, however, and Porsche’s been putting crazy engines in already brilliant cars for years…
The 997 GT3 RS was sublime, yet Porsche felt they could do better. Enter the GT3 RS 4.0 - otherwise known as one of the greatest 911s of all time. Two cars, two 4.0-litre engines, two incredible soundtracks, one incredible day driving them in North Wales. Enjoy.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
0:54 - Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS
4:48 - Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0
11:36 - Verdict
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Which car gets your vote?
I love the GT4RS to death, but it doesn’t get more desirable than the 4.0 in the Porsche world.
GT4RS for its insane noise inside the cabin!
914. ;)
Gt3rs 4.0 👌🏾
Gt3 rs
997 GT3 is the sweet spot: simple, light, fast and raw.
But gt4rs is lighter and faster.
@@truewarrior0978997 is a much better road car
@@truewarrior0978 But 997 GT3 RS 4.0 worth 2 GT4 RS 4.0
@@truewarrior0978 nope, not true
@@frederickcook87 which part
In terms of 997 - do what I did. Get a fairly cheap 3.6 Carrera (generally safer than the 3.8). Mine had 120k miles when I bought it and it felt like it was happy to do 220k. Take the massive stock cats out and put 200 cell ones in (it'll fly through MOT). Get the Dansk "Sound Version" exhaust (basically a cored out muffler that is there simply for cosmetics and resonance). Block the Helmholtz resonator off with an oil cap (Google it). Get a decent intake air filter. Do all that and listen to it scream like a GT3.
Even the 3.6 is perfectly fast for public roads. The 997 is a wonderful 911. It's old enough and narrow enough to feel like an authentic, back-slinging 911 with echoes from the past, yet new enough to have a nicely made cabin and a car that doubles as a comfortable GT mile cruncher. Fabulous cars for less than £20k.
Secret is out, the base car is so much car. Agree with exhaust tweak as well. Nice mix of old n new in that 997
Been chasing a 997 GT3RS around Redbull Ring for a few laps, in my manual 718 GT4 last year. The cars are quite equal in track performance. The 997 has a bit more oomph on the straights, but I got back on its tail every corner. Was quite fun. Such a beautiful car, the 997.
The GT4RS should be significantly quicker.
Yes. But who cares.
and don't forget, the driver makes the 30% difference, the gt3 rs is faster, the driver makes the diff.@@zuffweiss
Perfect review by JD. No winner coz there isn't a winner. Both cars utterly amazing. You're a lucky boy JD to drive both cars back to back !
A bit naughty that you overlayed GT3 PDK sound changes on occasion to the GT3RS
The 911 GT3 RS 4.0 has the upper hand. Not because it is a 911 but because it is manual and the steering is hydraulic.
😑cayman is electric powered hydraulic it’s a better system cause it’s the same and doesn’t rob power from a pulley on the engine.
Ist the last generation of really mechanic RS - that’s why these cars are not pure and more involving. Future classics!
@@dondelchulia3189 the issue is that overly assisted steering destroys steering feel
@@wind016 I think it’s still good in the modern gt cars. The caymans though so suffer. Hopefully I can test my friends gt4rs and see if it’s the case there soonish
@@wind016 have you actually driven one? Or just know what the Internet tells you…..guarantee there is no disappointment in the steering of a new 4RS
Best old Porsche ever made with the best new Porsche! It will be great to have them both!
That 997 would look so much better with Silver Alloys. Both great cars. The 997 would be my pick due to the manual box. 👍👍
i'm a former 997 owner. Given the opportunity to own another C2S, let alone a GT3 or GT3 RS 4.0, I'd gladly have one and choose it over the 718 every time. And that car is a magnificent piece of machinery!!!!
Mega video!! The review I didn't know I was waiting for 😃 Those roads though!!!! Can't wait to get back out there.
Thank you!
Jesus Christ just look at that 4.0. What a piece of art.
997.2 gt3 rs and the 458 speciale are my two car dream garage.
Excellent choices 👌
Those who bought the 997 RS 4.0 and still have them are the luckiest buggers around. All time classic.
997 GT3 is a fabulous car, I owned a 2011 RS 3.8 for over a year, but people act as though that was peak Porsche and the fact of the matter is Porsche being an engineering company keeps pushing on and improving their vehicles and a 992 GT3 is better in virtually EVERY single way. Hydraulic steering is great, but I’d bet 95% of the people that drive a new GT3 would prefer the new setup to the old one and there is virtually almost no advantage to the older system compared to the newest versions. Add in the double wishbone front suspension and rear axle steering for even more precision, Individual throttle bodies for even better torque at every RPM, a better intake sound, better shifter, 9,000RPM redline, much more rigid body structure, etc …..and it’s hard to argue that cars like the GT3 RS 4.0 were the greatest Porsche 911’s to ever exist. Amazing car for sure and unique in its own way, as every model prior and after has also been, but the 911 is constantly evolving into a greater sports car every single year.
That is some damn good content right there.
Fantastic movie!
I’m fortunate enough to own both cars and will never sell either of them as both will forever be in the pantheon of Porsche GT cars. The GT4 RS will be quicker on track.
Brilliant video. I think these two are where humans reached 'peak car' epic stuff
Yes!! Car buyers need more of this type of new vs old comparison! How about something like a Lotus Emira vs Ferrari F430? Very similar pricing wise now. A difficult choice!
What a great idea. I’m down for that…
JD
@@CARmagazineTV let's go
Easy choice!
Great idea
@@DoWorkExotics as an F430 owner I may be biased 🤭
Wonderful tribute to both cars. I once owned the 911 (997) GT3 RS 3.8 predecessor, which Evo said was the best car ever built. I loved its rawness but never learnt to appreciate it fully. Then Chris Harris hooned around in the 4.0 and said it was his favourite car ever. The GT4RS I now own is only just run in, but is dramatically faster than the GT3 RS 997 3.8 and 4.0. It may or may not be better. Who cares. They are all great fun.
Chris Harris said it was his favorite? I actually recall him saying when asked in an interview if selling his RS 4.0 was his biggest regret and he said no, that it was a great car but he actually wasn’t as gutted as everyone thinks he should be 🤔
@@jameswillard1 In his 2011 review for Evo he said: "I dont think there's a better car ever made." He is entitled of course to get tired of hooning around in nice machinery.
@@alenaalena13 I will try to find the TH-cam video from back in 2018 (around the time the 991.2 GT3 came out) and him saying everyone raves about the RS 4.0 but the 4.0 engine in the 991 was even better as well as the gearbox. He certainly wasn’t speaking of the RS 4.0 like it was the greatest car ever.
Great video,
Can’t help but notice at 10.30 the sound over is the gt4rs not the gt3rs 😂 (can tell by the Pdk gear changes)
It's the legit sound of the manual, just slapdash sound design on my part there unfortunately, to meet the deadline at the time. But admittedly it does sound like the PDK.
@@Aceimus1066it’s not a negative fella, just made me giggle as I thought blimey those are some fast manual gear changes! 👍
@@mrmotors_uk yeah haha. He's good but not that good at changing 😂
Love them both - as a 10yo my dream car was a Fiat 124 AC still want one - both of these cars are next level 🎉
997 was the perfect 911. The right size. The right looks. The right amount of power without going absurdly overboard. The right amount of classic and modern mixed together. I’m sure the cayman gt4 rs is technically better though.
Wow. I'm not a regular on this channel, but this piece is awesome 💪
Thank you!
997 GT3 is the best $ for experience...3.6 or 3.8...they are the best. 997 is peak 911. GT3, RS, or 4.0 .1/.2 does not matter.
Anyone know where in North Wales this was filmed?
The 997 GT3 cars are the real pick for that analogue feel. The GT4 in manual is that to! What’s the road there in Wales, heading over in spring. Thank you.
Great video! Both cars are excellent
Thank you!
Little to choose between them……except price. In Australia, you’d get 2 x GT4RS and $200k still in your pocket for the price of 1 x GT3 RS 4.0. But there is obviously something very very special about the last and greatest 997.
Excellent video
Thank you!
I have a 997.2 GT3. It’s not as down on torque as the reviewer claims. In fact, just as an experiment, I’ve done a few laps of Harris Hill Raceway entirely in 3rd gear, without shifting at all. It could use a shift into 4th on two long straights, but you can get by without it.
Definitely not, the 3.8 is not lacking in the torque department
I love those roads around North Wales. Roll on summer.
Sweet pairing
It would have been helpful to compare the ride of each on rough roads as the GT4RS is a bit too stiffly sprung for that.
Same for the 997.
Both are amazing, and i'd take either of them if somehow given the chance. But I had to choose one, i'd have to go with the Cayman GT4 RS. Perfectly balance, beautiful styling, still practical as can be. For one of the likely last combustion powered Cayman, it's a masterful send off.
Unless Porsche can get their eFuel off the ground, which I hope to god is successful, cause atleast they're one of the few car brands really trying to keep combustion engines alive lol
What’s with the sporadic zig zagging? 4.0 not enough of an exciting drive
James sneezed.
Maybe it's your accent but you're giving me serious Tiff Nedell vibes... and that's high praise. So awesome to see the greatest modern 911 of all time still getting compared to the new kid on the block. IMO the 4 liter will always be the king. It is renn sport distilled to its core.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
There’s something about a 911 that makes another level of driving. I think they’re just so different, but if I could have one car to be the car of cars it’s probably a Cayman S ngl. A 987 with the NA 6. That’s such a perfect road car. Now track give me that 911. Caymans understeer to much with OEM parts
Two of the best cars from Porsche!
Had 2 7.2 RS’s. You think they are perfect? They are for 1 hard hour of driving. Take them on a 4 hour drive to the track or event and you’ll want the more modern 4RS. Ask me how I know.
A pair of ear buds helps. I drove from Atlanta to Houston non-stop (except for gas and caffeine of course) in my non-RS GT3 and it was fine, but I have sofas in mine. Still, it was something like 11-12 hours from what I remember.
@@GT3Marine 👍 it wasn’t so much the ride quality it was the NVH road noise and exhaust. Combined with different road surfaces it could get really bad. Lack of insulation in those cars as well. I loved them don’t get me wrong but sometimes you want to have a conversation with your gal! I drove my second RS from Mpls to NorCal for Rennsport!
The NVH isn’t great, but I just drove my 7.2 GT3 from SoCal to Scottsdale (~7 hours with traffic) and I felt perfectly comfortable. Sport bucket seats as well
Big up Mr Atkinson Geography OG
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Nearly half a mil now! Lovely car, but the prices are just stupidly ridiculous and generally unaffordable!
The Best CAR ever made by porsche for the road is the 718 Spyder... I promise.
The GT4RS is ALMOST the perfect car. It would be, if it was manual.
That Cayman isn't offered with a manual transmission. If money was no object and they weren't all already claimed, that makes choosing the 911 an easy choice.
Put the manual in the 4rs
997 is the best 911, full stop.
Can someone spot me £0.5mil for one?
cayman RS lacks manual. 997.2 RS is the best Porsche ever made IMO.
I’d take the 997 ten out of ten times.
Can't drive the 997 GT3 RS 4.0 like it's a normal car when it's worth well over $700k!
PDK no thanks
What more could we want from a gt4 rs? The answer is simple I guess.
Maybe a close ratio manual, it's almost perfect otherwise
@@_que Yes. Exactly. :)
And in topical automotive journalist fashion - bullshit ending with no answers
I like the 911. The GT4 RS is a bit of a dog's dinner visually and could be criticized for the same OTT design cues of the Civic Type R FK8.
It’s not built for beauty, you’re right! But it does look better in the flesh…
Don, the whole motoring world disagrees with you. But that's cool go crazy with your air cooled self..
@@emerckx53 Even with all of the Motorsport bits, the 911 remains overall better and valued more than the Cayman. I will never be able to afford any one of them.
@@dhmallet You are missing the point. Did you read my previous posts? Of course not. I have had 2 7.2 RS's. 4RS's are 100K over and been called a generational car by everyone in the motoring world. Why? because of how it feels and drives on the road. Unlike really any car on the market when you include the sound. You need to drive more cars friend and stop thinking your an expert because of what you have read.
@@dhmallet BTW, the GT4 is made in the Motorsports department. Work harder.
Das Auto
you cannot compare these 2 cars, they are in different league. the 997RS 4.0 is miles better
We just did. 😏
You can't compare the 997 RS 4.0 to a 4RS. They're not even in the same league. I don't care of the 4RS performs better...it's still a Cayman. The 997 RS 4.0 is regarded by many as the GOAT.🐐
We just did…
@@CARmagazineTV yep that’s why I didn’t bother watching or subscribing. Cheers
You could want a manual. Porsche are still cowards.
GT4 RS: ridiculously (cynically) tall geared, and no manual gearbox. This is ABSOLUTELY NOT 'the dream car'.
Has this guy reached puberty ?
Lotus Emira for me… a lot nicer. And way better looking
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Gt4RS is garbage. The 997 Is for real Porsche enthusiast. With a manual transmission who buys a Porsche without a manual. You will spend $350k on the low side for the 997, but it will be a $1 million car in time for a for a reason.
Who buys a Porsche without a manual? Since the 991.1 GT3 came out about 15,000 people. Go listen to Kylie Minogue you fool.
@@emerckx53 Fool, hmm I’m not in the 99% like you most likely are. Who’s the fool now.
@@cleansweepbayarea I'm guessing it's you as I have had 5 Porsches. Two 997.2's both paint to sample, a 991.1 GT3 a Cayman S Sport and I have GT4RS in Voodoo Blue coming in April. Go work harder and stop thinking you know cars because you watch video.
@@emerckx53 Thinking you’re successful because you’ve on five Porsches oh my God that’s so new money And tacky. So I don’t like the GT4RS and you own one so what. One my friends has plaid and he hates Porsches and he destroys them all the time and I don’t like Tesla so what who cares get over it.
Porsche only went with the GT4/RS for one reason: this species is near the end, killed by fooled politicians, ignorant law makers and the pseudo-eco mob alike eg the time to squeeze out as many eggs off the geese before a battery falls from the sky and kills the fun is...urgent. In between 911 and Caymans/Boxster the choice is easy for those who have not been 911brainwashed: the mid engined car wins, easily. The current GT3 RS faster than a Cayman GT4 RS? Of course but as we know it continues to be an outcome to be artificially induced in the better and fitter patient by Porsche which has become a prisoner of its own choices...money rules like with everything else except for the ones of us who don't give a damn or a penny...we are the ones who indeed are free to enjoy and celebrate the GT4 RS!
Plus the 911 camp does with double wishbone and multi link suspension, where as the Cay is stuck with struts all around...
I find Porsche’s so boring and repetitive
Well that was a waste of time …. I was hoping for a complete comparison why the GT4RS sucks,, all I got was waffle 🧇