I’d argue the Opinel No 8 is a great fishing bait knife, the inox stainless more so than the carbone you showed, because they’re so cheap that if you lose them it’s not going to hurt like a $40+ knife. Also yes, I’ve lost knives going fishing. It’s surprisingly easy to lose a knife off a jetty etc too. There’s also plenty of other situations where a semi disposable knife is handy where I live too, but it’s 2am and I’m struggling to think right now.
I think the Benchmade 940 is certainly overpriced but it is still by far my favorite locking folder. I bought mine during a black Friday sale for $165 which is so much more palatable then $250 that they typically go for. The 940 was satisfactory enough for me that I actually quit buying locking folders for almost 2 years after getting it.
His argument for the 940-1 is just that. Nothing he said argues against the actual quality of the knife as a tool, and QA issues aside, everyone I've encountered have loved their 940 to death. I generally liked the video and could see where he was coming from with most selections, but this argument does not hold up
Just to clarify, it was not my intention to present "overpriced" and "overrated" as the same thing. I didn't do the best job of explaining that in the video. Sometimes, when a knife is popular, or has high demand, it'll have a price that corresponds MORE with demand, and less with build quality/functionality. Price was really only thrown in to show what would need to be paid in order to obtain these knives that I consider "overrated" for separate issues outside of price. Rest assured, I consider these knives "overrated" because of the general underwhelming feeling I get when compared to other "better" knives of the same caliber. Hope that's more clear!
That makes sense. But price definitely has a big part of the equation. I think the Shaman is waaaaay overrated for general EDC. I can't understand the $80 price difference compared to a Manix. The Manix is an ounce lighter, has virtually the same blade length, feels more comfortable in my hand (even with the contouring on the Shaman), and sits in my pocket better than the Shaman. Unless you are really need something with more tip strength on a daily basis, I can't figure out why the Shaman would be considered over a Manix. If the price was similar to the Manix, I think it would be easier to recommend the Shaman.
I've never owned but one on your list, the 0566 ,gave it to my son a week after I bought it. Picked up the 0562 a day later. Never liked the 940, tried to , but no. People have to remember you said OVERRATED ,not worse ,or bad knives. I actually thought it was a positive video, because you positively saved some people from a disappointing purchase IMHO. Great job MC , popular doesn't always make it good.
I've got my own list like this the "knives I bought because they're so praised but I wish I wouldn't have bought them." The 940 and bugout I agree with, my bugout came with lock stick that never went away and the 940 has an edge like an axe. I'd have to put the PM2 on there too, bought it a year and half ago and carried only once, it's fine but there was no choir of angels singing when I opened the box, the edge is wonky and even, the g10 rough and unfinished around the edges and the clip is way too tight, expected an A+ but it was only a B.
Opinel's have their place. Great for a thin slicey locking blade that won't scare the sheeple, but the break in time (every one I've bought is very slip sticky for quite a while) and deployment are UGH. The 940-1501 (KW exclusive) is still the best bang for the buck 940, an extra 70 over that for s90v > 20cv and cf > g10 is asking a lot. The bugout was designed specifically for people who are counting ounces, I agree it feels flimsy even if in use it's sturdy. The material difference for the price between the manix 2 g10 and the bugout is probably because of the warranty differences (BM blows away spyderco in this department).
The zt350 was my first good knife. I was 13 (7 years ago...wow) when it first came out, it was an amazing knife. I agree now that the same knife with the same materials for the same price today is too much IMO. If it was $120 I’d say go for it though
benchmades are garbage all around. they inflate the price of their mediocre knives. not surprising considering they support anti gun and pro knife ban democrat politicians. bad people are the same all around and everywhere, no matter if they're in the edc industry or not. boycott benchmade once the demand goes away they'll have to adjust the price to its proper place in the 50-100 dollar range.
Just fyi, unless they’ve changed the opinel in the last 5 years, it’s a convex grind not FFG. Love my no8 it’s a great paring knife but that’s where it stays, in my kitchen for light use. Great value though. 🤔
Great video! I was always really confused about the Bugout popularity. I'd take a knife with some heft that inspires confidence over saving a few ounces in my pocket. Admittedly though, I am a huge Benchmade fanboy.
I rarely worry about knife weight. I have a black belt and brown suspenders. To be honest, my Ka-Bar Mule and CS AD-10 don't get carried because of their weight.,
Have to agree on most of your list. Although I love my spydiechef it isn’t as amazing as most say it is. I usually laugh anytime I see a list and it includes the CRKT m16 as a good budget knife. As far as the benchmade knives on the list I tend to think all their knives are over rated. Don’t get me wrong they’re good knives but when looking at price and build quality they are highly over rated.
We actually get issued the benchmade infidel when we deploy overseas. The Air Force has been doing it for years. While it is nice, useful, and fun to play with, I would never go out and spend as much of my own money for this knife as benchmade is asking.
I was issued an AFO II years ago on deployment and loved it. I wouldn’t have bought one out of my own pocket. I’ve since been shopping for an OTF and settled in an AKC F-16, for $50 I’m going to see what the hubbub is all about before I jump in on a microtech.
I love my Ranger Green BugOut and it is one of my favorite and most carried knives, but I admit I'd give up some weight savings for those FRN scales to be black G10. It would probably never leave my pocket then.
The Bugout continues to stand the test of time. I love going back to these older videos of people naysaying it/getting hung up on the name because it's just funny how wrong some knife guys were about what has become an industry standard. Also, how can it be "overrated" when so many knife snobs seem to hate it?
I pretty much agreed with each of your selections on this list. I wonder, would the Kershaw Leek and its counterparts (Chive, Scallion, etc) ever make this list? What about the Hinderer-designed Kershaw Cryo II? I think those belong here. Finally, what’re your thoughts on Cold Steel’s pocket tank, the SR1? I own the tanto variant but have been contemplating adding its drop point cousin to the family.
I love my 0350. I love it more because I snagged a barely used tiger stripe model for only $118 on eBay lol. I totally agree with your point about the USA kershaws, but there’s just something about the feel of a ZT that makes it worth spending the extra money. Kershaw’s higher end knives are perfectly fine, but when you hold a ZT it feels like straight quality and I’ve never experienced that same feeling with any of the kershaws.
I really enjoy my Benchmade Infidel but the secondary market pricing tells you all you need to know about what people think it’s worth. Still, if you get one on the secondary market at around $250ish it’s an amazing knife at that price.
Checking in a little over 3 years later, in March 2023: In early 2021 the Benchmade Bugout was $131, but has increased by $31 to now cost $162. And this is $44 over the initial price of $118. In early 2021 the Benchmade 940-1 was $272, but has increased by $43 to now cost $315. Benchmade is one of my favorite knife companies, so it truly pains me to say they've increased their price SO MUCH recently that I doubt I'll ever buy one new again. I've owned dozens of them, & bought maybe half of them new. They were priced high even before the recent price hikes. But I understood that, because they're made in the USA & Benchmade has a great warranty service that I've experienced personally. But the flagship grivory Bugout in S30V going from $131 to $162 is an increase of 23.6% in just under two years. That's outrageous to me. And the 940-1 isn't much better going from $272 to $315, an increase of 15.8%. I recently bought a Hogue Deka SMKW exclusive with carbon fiber scales & MagnaCut steel on sale for $159. That's $3 LESS than the standard S30V Bugout costs today. And even forgetting that I got it on sale, you can compare the standard grivory MagnaCut Deka at $127-$135 to the Bugout at $162, & conclude there is something wrong with the price on the Bugout. I believe that if Benchmade continues to hike prices without somehow offering at least some kind of upgrade to their models, they'l price themselves right out of the market. I get that inflation is a thing, & I know there are other reasons prices need to be raised. But look at Spyderco. They've also increased prices on their flagship models, the Para Military 2 & Para 3, but in doing so they also upgraded the blade steel from S30V to S45VN. So in their case, at least theyr're trying to add value where they can to go along with the price increases. This is a pretty old video, so who knows if anyone will ever read this. But I had to get this off of my chest.
yup. it's still the best folder for slicing food... at the price it's not as nicely finished as my Techno, the lockbar is a bit thin for SHTF, and also has the typical slight rattle from the lanyard tube...but the handle really does carry extremely well, excellent pocket access, excellent ergos and even a ceramic detente.
Good vid! I can't really disagree with your reasons or choices at all. If I posted my top ten overrated list, people would be throwing Molotov cocktails at my house! 😌
Totally agree with a lot of this list. The Benchmade infidel is horribly overpriced. The Bugout handle snapped at 160 pounds on a cold steel video, where the air lite stood up to 255 lbs and costs $50 less. Remember, the title of the video was most overrated knives, not worst knives. A good knife that is way overpriced qualifies like the ZT’s.
How opinions vary-- Excellent video. As far as cutting tools go for cutting vegtables and fruit I have used a Opiniel #9 for over 6 years and with the thin blade stock it is a cutting laser. The Bugout, for the past year I was on the fence about this knife and I finally purchased one. It has become one of my top 5 knives simply because I can carry it in light weight pants or shorts around the house. The knife is still overpriced by about 25.00.
benchmade artificially inflates the prices because people keep blindly buying them based on reputation alone. time to boycott these idiots. plus they support democrat politicians who are anti gun and anti knife
I know this is an old video. But have you handled the aluminum bugout with M390 yet? I got it yesterday and it's fantastic. It deals with all your issues with the og one.
I’ve been on the fence with the bugout. I’ve been wanting the Battlewash exclusive from Knife Center. I can afford one knife a month, but DLT Trading is going to have the Spyderco Para 3 red frn in M390 for $130. Decisions, decisions.
Great topic MC. Bound to piss off some fanboyz, but it's nice to hear your opinion on why you think a knife is overrated when other people rave about it. You are upfront about it being your opinion & are not trying to say knife X is bad, you just don't think the price fits the hype, or in case of the Opinel, better knives are available for a little bit more money. One handed opening, different steels & handle material, etc. Saying that, I have owned an Opinel 8 since the 1980's. Used it a few times, but always grabbed some other knife given the choice. I have been considering the Bugout but can't get past the price. The bugout has so many fans, you are bound to get bombarded by how wrong they think your opinion is. It's your own opinion, so at least you say why you don't like it. Price, and feels cheap to you. I see nothing wrong with your logic. Changing the scales to something more solid feeling increases the price. Remember, when the nuclear comments hit, duck and cover. ☢⚠️🤣
My reactions: 1. Opinel - 100% yes. I had to do so much work getting mine to where I could open it consistently. The wood would swell up and jam the blade in the closed position. Anyone buying their first knife is better off doing something like paying a little extra for a case sodbuster jr in CV steel that opens and closes without it being an ordeal 2. Paraframe - Ehhhh.... I'm not sure this knife is overrated so much as it is... Rated. Most people I know will say it's a junk drawer knife, but it's the best knife you can walk into a home depot and buy. Which... Don't do that if this is the best you can do 3. Kwaiken - 60% yes. I object to it but for different reasons than you do. The edge rides way too close to the back of the handle when closed, and that's just not acceptable to me. But if you have different fingers than I do... then sure. Maybe it's a great knife for some people. But definitely not for me, and I surely can't think my objection to it is so uncommon 4. M16 & M21 - See #2, but with a different store 5. 0566 - Never handled this. Assisted knives are illegal where I am, so I've never bothered 6. 0350 - Never handled this either. That recurve is an absolute non starter for me 7. 940-1 - I think I'd adjust what you've said here to just about any upgraded fancy pants version of any knife. Upgraded fancy pants versions of knives are for people who absolutely loved the base model. If you're thinking about getting a spyderco native, get the base S30V model. If you love it so much that you'd call it the perfect design for you and you just absolutely must have the fanciest version of it, then get the fluted carbon fiber version. I think the same goes for the G10 griptillian, the 940-1, and any other knife with a base version and a different version wearing fancier pants 8. Infidel - See #5, but replace assisted with OTF. 9. Spydiechef - I get where you're coming from on this I think. This is one I haven't handled, so I don't feel I have a place to chime in here for, but I'm not sure what the Spydiechef's peers would even be. The Liang Mah kitchen knife lookin' thing? The spyderco kapara? The Kapara is hard to find and the KUF is $400. So... If someone wants to say "The spydiechef is the best folding kitchen knife for the money" I'd be totally willing to say "Sure. That checks out" 10. Bugout - Y'know what? Sure. This was a knife that was designed for a very specific use case that people who were never going to use it for that use case all flipped out over saying "OMG, this is the best knife that's ever been made in the history of ever." Is it the best folding backpacking knife in it's price range? Y'know? Probably. Is it the best folding knife in its price range Ehhhhhh... I have a harder time saying that for sure. The spyderco native is damn good and ergonomically excellent. Same can be said for the para3 lightweight. There's also the k390 dragonfly (a little unfair to the bugout since your video came out before that was announced). And of course there's Benchmade's own griptillian. There are so many good EDC blades in this price range, and do you really want to pay extra for yours to be lighter weight than you will ever really need it? It's my opinion that as long as your knife is light enough in weight that you can carry it without getting annoyed at it, your knife is light enough. For me, that line is about 4 oz. Any knife less than 4 oz is light enough for going in my pants pocket and walking around. I don't need to pay extra for it to be lighter than that unless it's going in my hiking and camping backpack (literally the thing the bugout was designed for) and for that I have an LT Wright fixed blade (actually coming in with a weight penalty, but there are enough advantages to carrying a fixed blade in my hiking and camping backpack that that's the choice I made). Again, the bugout is genuinely amazing, and a really good EDC blade, but I definitely get what's being said in this video. The amount of hype surrounding it does not match the amount of value you're going to get out of it. Personally, I disagree with you that it feels cheap, but that's your experience with it and not mine. I see it as a lightweight backpacking knife. I get the design decisions that went into it, and I think the "you can compress the scales" "controversy" is overblown, but again. Everyone's opinions are their own, and with so many choices in that price category, if you don't like those flexible scales, get a different knife (again. This plays into my point that there are so many good choices competing with the bugout that it's hard for me to say it's getting the proper amount of praise)
Currently I have a Kershaw Leek in blackwash. I like it, but I don't like it. Edge retention is a big issue. Feels like it's always dull. Other than that, I like it a lot. I like the profile, the size, the spring-assist opening and the locking mechanism. Just really don't like the way it goes dull so dang quick. Recommend me a new knife?
Ive wanted a Spyderco Caribbean forever because I do alot of work around salt, calcium, and brine solution in the winter. Considered a spydiechef in LC200N because you just cant find a Caribbean. I did not buy one. Still on the lookout for a plain blade Caribbean.
Hey! I've had TONS of knives and I have not found many that cut as well as an Opinel. It is basic but it does what a knife should do - cut! It was not meant for collectors but for people who use their knives.
I was contemplating between the 940 and a few other knives! Just needed to hear someone else say it wasn’t worth the money. I appreciate your honesty Metal! Thanks.
I just got my 1st Benchmade Bugout in M390 with, I think, aluminum scales. It's very light weight for it's materials. That said after getting it home and spending a day with it I'm not OMG blown away. Especially after the $250 price tag before tax. I really like this knife and I'll definitely get my money's worth out of it if I can but looking back I don't think I would make the same purchase twice. Then again maybe I'm too simple to understand the quality I hold in my hand. My wife has told me that before.
Carlos EDC They have a new model can’t remember the name but it looks something if carry but dang the prices are high for them. Thanks for reading comment good buddy.
The Duval is the name of their new “front flipper”. It, like most of their stuff, is GROSSLY overpriced. A Ti framelock with a 2.75” S35VN blade with micarta or rosewood scale for $275?!?! I had to look at different sites to make sure that price was right. That knife shouldn’t be a dollar over $140, and that’s the very high end. TwoSun would probably sell it for $80-100.
Yea, James brand. I feel like they price their knives in a manner so that people can say, "Check this out, I paid XXX$ for it." Purely peacocking pocket jewelry.
I'm glad you made this video. Nothing like stirring up peoples thoughts. I've noticed for while, a lot of "knife reviewer's" sites are just regurgitating reviews that are 10 years old or strictly stating what is the best, based on Amazon sales numbers without actually knowing anything about what they are writing.
I own 4 Benchmade knives and I love all 4 for different reasons. Two of the 4 are bugouts both were gifts from my wife. One of my bugouts has become my edc knife the blade steel is M4 which I love the handle scales are natural jade G-10, but I agree both of my bugouts I would consider overated based on price to materials used. Me personally I want to get the best deal I possibly can on a knife and most Benchmades are way overpriced. Great video, Thank you for the content!
@Metal Complex - great video! Thank you. What a fresh topic! Just quit your back-pedaling and scraping and apologizing for having certain knives on your list. I wish you were more brutal. Even though I have a ZT-0566, I wasn't offended. I agreed! Right on Bro! Power to the People!
I think your reasoning behind each pick is sound. I carry a Bugout every day. Once I got that I just can't carry anything else because everything else feels like a damn kettlebell in my pocket. I get how it could feel cheap to some folks but man the practicality of it makes it a dream. And the thing is, it really isn't cheap. It's quite sturdy. But ya I get it.
I was severely underwhelmed by my Hinderer XM-18... it's not a bad knife (the edge was particularly disappointing) but I definitely felt like "Why is this so expensive and so popular"?
Your score- 90%. I own half of these. I purchased the Bugout because of all the great reviews. My reaction to it was identical to yours. I like the Spydiechef, especially the steel. And the shape. And the ergos. It's probably overpriced, but I feel that it is a great knife. I do carry it. #9,8,5,4, and 3 were either bad knives (like the Gerber) or cost way too much. I have handled the 940 on several occasions and each time I just shook my head and wondered the reason that someone would shell out that much money for that knife. I enjoyed your video. I'm wondering how many of your underrated knives that I own.
I agree with you that these knives m(except one) are overrated. I would also add the spyderco delica and endura (though I love both knives) as being very overrated for what you are getting. I would also add the benchmade griptillian. I also agree that the spyderco spydie chef is very plain and boring but when you consider its intended use as a knife that can be used anywhere and will not rust I think that the plainlessness is justified. As an everyday carry for someone who works in an office (me included) it is very plain. I am not arguing that but if carried as a knife that is outdoorsy be it camping, rafting or any other outdoors endeavor I think it is the exact configuration it should be. Sorry for the novel. I enjoyed this video.
Wow. I felt like I was taking crazy pills. I agree with just about everything you said. Most of the knives aren't bad, but may be a bad value. I would have preferred the ZT 0566 in Elmax; I have the blackwash S35VN version and to be honest, I carry my Kershaws much more frequently. They have better steel and an almost similar build quality and ergonomics. Close your eyes and have somebody put a 0566 in one hand and a Cryo in the other. Sans the steel frame, can anybody tell the difference?
I have literally never seen a top 10 carry knives of all time with a bunch of cheap Walmart knives in them. I have that 0566 not my favorite but I like it and it was only $109. I love my Kwaikens though. The knife I probably carry most is my 20cv mini griptillian the one I have with plain edge, thumb stud, black blade. I have another satin with combo edge and a full size 20cv sheepsfoot black blade besides all the other grips I have. Lately I have been carrying the Sage 1 though but a lot of that is because I just recently got it along with 9 other discontinued Spydercos. I have a few of these. The Bugout feels cheap but I like it. I just got the Knifecenter exclusive red battleworn one to have a different one then everybody else. I don't carry a knife for anything besides opening boxes and whatever else. If I need to defend myself I have a gun on me. The Manix 2 isn't as much as the Bugout though. I really like my Manix knives I have a few but I don't like how bulky and heavy they are. I think the lightweight ones look and feel cheap so I haven't bought one but I just got a Cru Wear one I think was a Knifecenter exclusive and it was only $135. The standard S30v one with black G10 I have I paid less then $100 for.
Man, you absolutely crushed it here! I am extremely impressed. Of the knives on this list, I have had the Gerber, Boker, 0562, 940, infidel and M16. The Gerber is just flat out one of the worst knives I’ve ever owned, despite a cool design idea. The Kwaiken I want to love because I feel i am supposed to, but i just don’t. The 0566 belongs somewhere near the bottom of ZT models. The Infidel - well, I had the mini and full sized, and, well, uhhhhhhhh, 400 bucks? Really? I can’t stand MT but please just give me a Troodon and let’s move on. This knife has no place on the market. The M16 is cool looking, I’ll give it that. But it’s too small to use. And it’s just.... bad. The 940-2 CF , and the red one that was an exclusive, is the only one I’d argue a little for. I’ll just say, while I liked it, it’s small. It’s not in my collection anymore, and don’t have any intention to get another. Okay, so now let me give some credit to the good models - CRKT Pilar is a great - I have 4. The swindle is great. The Blur is great. Benchmade - balisongs from 10 years ago remain some of the best in the world. Crooked river is kinda neat. And their new little colab w the Patrick Famin i think. Gerber.... uhhhh... oh! The Dime multi tool is on my keychain. ZT .... 0900 modded (no tab, add stud), the new one w the thumb disc (0470 maybe?). Lots of good ones.
I think most of the following for the bugout is because of the aftermarket handle scales. A set of good titanium or carbon fiber scales and it's an edc that is pretty damn hard to beat.
@Castle Bravo I'm not a fanboy here, so not getting into a debate but I'm kind of curious how you would imagine soild titanium or carbon fiber scales being "flimsy"
Nice video. I have had my Spydiechef for over 2 years and it may be my favorite (user) knife of all time. I was able to get it on sale brand new at Optics Planet for $168, a great price for this knife. At the current price of $217, I would say that the knife is much less compelling.
Totally agree on the Infidel, and highly overpriced, and poor design as well as cheaper materials. Benchmade is competing for vanity pricing with Microtech. As well, the best placement for the button is on the side where your thumb naturally falls. On the Bugout, just too small and I don't have giant hands. You can cut your thumb just opening it, since there's so little real estate to hang onto.
Selling knives for my friend, had a Spideychef and Domino too, decided to buy Domino red weave from him but really did think the chef was overrated, it did sell easily at 170 used also! People do love it, just not my cup of tea in anyway.
Ahh, nothing like coming from work and unwinding to an MC knife video. Superb channel and there’s a lot of knowledge to be gained-even though I consider myself fairly knowledgeable on knives.
Also, you should re-review the Bugout with so aftermarket scales. You can buy versions of it with titanium, cf, micarta, or g10 already installed on various websites. It changes the price of the knife but it also changes the feel a TON!
I’m gonna disagree only on the bugout. Less then 2 oz weight ambidextrous and effortless easy to open one handed axis lock, also one great deep carry clip. ( sounds silly but aftermarket clip companies are doing great because so many people hate spyderco clips, I have several) The blade comes very sharp and is easy to keep shaving sharp I can clean slice water bottles after a little stropping. And I got mine new for a bit less then 118 if you wait for specials or do some smart shopping. when ever I get a new knife I carry that for a while and will cycle back to the bugout just so damn light and opens boxes too easily. A gym knife or basketball shorts knife also. I’ve abused it a few times, cutting several copper wires when I was too rushed to run and grab cutters out of the truck, slipping through zip ties and hitting something harder. The edge looks excellent under light. Anyways just my pov as a guy that carries 2 knives all the time and having this in the left pocket and easy to deploy or close and slip it away and again I paid less for it, is it a cold steel spartan or 4 max lmao no it’s not it’s American made and assembled 🇺🇸
I agree that the opinel isn't the best for EDC, but for food prep it's King lol. I didn't really like the ergos on the 0350, but you should try out the 0300 I can't get over the way the fuller looks on the infidel... I feel like most spydercos are overrated lol
I got my 1st pocket knife when I was about 8yo and it was a Gerber Paraframe variant. With that being said, I can thank it for starting my fascination with knives, but that's about all I can thank it for lol. I've long since retired that one for much better knives. Also, I agree with you on the 940. I have the Knifeworks exclusive version of it and that's only because of the style of G10 and the steel and I got it on a black Friday sale lol
On some of these I completely agree! The BM Bugout is an overpriced beater knife on par with other $30-40 beaters. The Bugout is a “consumable” knife in its original form and is not worth $120. If you have to spend $75-100 to make this knife better, then you had $200+ to spend on a much better knife. I don’t know why anyone would pass that option up? However, on others on your list you say, “Let me stress that build QUALITY is top notch.” Yet build quality is the major factor that often drives purchases and usefulness. Then you say, “But it lacks anything special beyond that.” If it isn’t build quality then it’s esthetics. And esthetics alone isn’t enough to judge a knife as overrated. There are plenty of plane and ugly knives out there that are beloved and highly regarded. You don’t think some of these choices are a bit petty just to fill out a Top 10 list? 🤔 Or was this all not to be taken all that seriously. 😄 I wonder if “overpriced” is getting mingled with “overrated”. They are definitely two different things. I heartily agree that some here are WAY OVERPRICED. But, that would be a great Next Video. Now on to your 10 Underrated Knives. 🏃🏻♂️💨💨
A lot of guys dont realize why some knives are considered so highly. I've been in the business for over 30 years. I remember when the flipper first came out, the frame lock or RIL, premium steels like 154cm by Loveless. there are reasons you may not know.
I've owned a lot of knives. The Spydiechef is the best knife I've ever owned. It's pretty, the ergonomics are second to none, the steel is great, and the construction is top notch. I don't understand how you think it's overrated, but, to each their own. Good video. Keep it up
Just got the bhq blackout bugout. Had been carrying a mini copper natrix before making the bugout seem really light . Will probably get flytanium copper scales for it
My mom bought me the gerber paraframe very tiny knife. I bought my wife the rike hummingbird. It’s a much cooler knife. Most practical mini grip. Favorite to show off: 781 anthem most carried: 940-1. Pocket Knife that will last the longest: cold steel demko 4max (because I’ve never used it). Dumbest purchase: Spyderco mamba. Next knife I want infidel and 551-1.
Alright, Alright! You say the Boker Kwaiken is overrated (I happen to disagree 🤔). Then… …particularly with the Mini Kwaiken in mind, what’s a better Gentlemen’s Carry than that in its’ price range? I’ve got the all-Copper version and it’s gorgeous and amazing in a pair of slacks. And when needed, it’s attractive and non-threatening in all scenarios. Very hardy & stiff, not like the delicate and spindly CRKT CEO. I just don’t see how the Mini Kwaiken is overrated. Just because you personally don’t care for a knife doesn’t make it overrated in the market place. I don’t care for Spydercos. But I’m not under the allusion that they are overrated. I’m sure they are popular for a reason. That reason though doesn’t happen to attract me.
I like the kwaiken auto, but I guess that’s a Protech you really have to pay attention when opening, because no grip other than the clip. Like it but even that version isn’t top 10 worthy
The 0566 has a case for top 10 edc. Materials and craftsmanship is all ZT. Only downside is it’s weight...,yes it’s steel.....yes it’s an affordable ZT...yes it’s assisted...yes it’s a great knife. The 0350? I agree with you there.
The m16 series and m21 was designed with serviceman in mind. its not trying to look like a military pocket knife. It actually just is one. The US military has a lot of personnel carrying them.
I was split on the chef styling but grew to love it as it reminds me of something super minimalist and kind of like something old. Lovely knife, but certain angles it ain’t pretty
Good video. Thanks for sharing. I would have put the Spyderco delica on the list. Good knife for sure, but very over priced in these modern days. We are lucky to have so many good options at every price range these days.
If the Para 3 or PM2 looks like a wounded pelican, then what does that make the Spydiechef, to me it's like a whale of some kind. But all jokes aside it is my grail and I love it! It isn't perfect tho and I totally hear ya on your thoughts
I agree with you on the 940-1 but I have one and I'd buy it again. It is definitely overpriced. It looks pretty but holds up so many years into it I have forgotten how much money I spent on it:)
Agree with a few and disagree with a few. Agree with Bugout. Disagree with Spydiechef. Also I do like the 0566 but would like to see ZT update that’s model and make a premium 0566 with Titanium and running on bearings without the assisted opening.
On the 940-1, your argument is that you think it's *overpriced* (which it is), not that it has physical shortcomings that would disqualify it as a reasonable choice as a top 10 knife. I haven't met a single person face to face or online that didn't love their 940 (Benchmade's notorious QA issues aside). It's an excellent knife made with excellent materials, and if you can get it on sale and it speaks to you, you should get it. Again, not overrated, just overpriced.
When Nutnfancy did his ZT 0561/2 review and called it a Hinderer for $250-ish....I bought it...and it was one of my first large high end folders...that knife is PAINFUL to hold and operate compared to MANY Knives and it is NOT akin to a Hinderer☹️
For some reason I'm drawn to your negative reviews. Had a great time tonight watching your old Smith & Wesson extreme ops gas station knife videos. Glad I was never attracted to those kinds of things. Keep up the good rants! & congrats on the success of your channel!
I agree with a good bit of your list. However, you can't hit the 0556 without hitting the XM18. They're (from my experience) essentially the same knife and the XM18 is well over $400.Even with the upgrade to 20cv, It's not worth the price tag. And don't even get me started on the Sebenza.
The 0556 and the XM-18 are the same? No. You're thinking of the 0562, which was ZT's intended "XM-18" model. An argument could be made there for sure. The 0566 was designed by Hinderer, but it's quite a ways off.
"It's just a blade and a handle" Yes MC that is what a folding knife is. XD I dunno about some of your picks you pick some bad value knives but I've literally never seen the Infidel or the Kwaiken on a rating list personally, I've never seen the Opinel on a list outside of starter or a budget list(and I think it deserves that place as a classic and a simple and extremely effective well priced knife). Most overrated knives imo: 1) Spyderco Delica this knife has been in way way way too many top ten lists for a knife that is only ok and is as bad of a value as it is, 2)Hinderer XM 18 again it's an ok knife that costs way too much but is considered a grail by too many people, 3)Spyderco PM2 Literally on every top 10 list from the beginning of time and is a good knife but the price is too high for the materials and it's nothing special imo, 4)Benchmade Bugout the cheap feeling kills it for me, 5)Benchmade 940s yes all of them, just a value issue for a knife that is rated so highly from what I've seen, 6)Spyderco Slyzch Bowie I honestly don't get why people crap their pants over this knife other than Nick Shabazz likes it, 7) Spyderco Para 3 is way too highly regarded for a knife that requires an aftermarket clip to be tolerable to carry, 8)Spyderco Tenacious for a knife that costs $50 for 8Cr13 this is way way too represented on top lists, 9)CRK Sabenza I just don't see the appeal like it's a TI framelock that doesn't have anything special going on and costs $400 why is this a grail?, 10) CRKT M16 see your complaints. Dishonorable mentions: Kizer Mini Sheepdog it's okay but I saw way too much hype about this knife and I really can't love the ergos, CRKT Large Pilar the action on this is awful at least mine was I dunno, Gerber Paraframe I think your complaints were totally valid and I could see this displacing another knife on the list.
I can see how some can't grasp the lure of the Sebenza , but if you have a titanium frame lock in your pocket, you can thank Chris Reeves for the design, or at least for making it popular.bit I understand your opinion and respect your choices.👍
@@tankcrowe5417 respect. I don't question Chris Reeves contributions to the knife world and if I was picking iconic or historic knives for a collection I can absolutely see picking a Sebenza just not as a knife to use for me.
@@gnomersy1087 I bought one he made by hand before he purchased CNC machines, think it was around 1995, with a one of a kind design on the scales and a Devin Thomas Damascus ladder pattern blade, I'm sorta a historic relic myself! 🤣😂
Funny, your picture of the 940 also has a lanyard in the stock photo, when the 940 has no lanyard hole! I do agree with your observations! Thanks for this!
@@metal_complex Alright I'm glad. I'm 15 and now I am starting to get into higher end knives. The 0350 and 0562cf are my first ZT's and I think they'll serve me well. Just subbed to your channel and I'm looking forward to learning more about knives.
I’ve never liked the look of the 940, the 0566 being steel frame and assisted definitely is meh if you compared to the 0562, I’d rather get a microtech over the infidel for the price. Lol but that’s just my opinion and people should carry what they want and like.
I dunno why but the Gerber paraframe has always managed to get into my pocket. I only recall buying one. But somehow I own 3. I don't recall buying any of them except the one origional. But like em or not, they are effective and do poke holes. 😊
I've got the CRKT M16-14SFG and it's nice to see it's worth more than when I bought it for 4 or 5 years ago. And there was just a BHQ vid? with a soldier who carried a variant on tour. So, overrated yes - but effective and durable enough ? Yep.
I have expensive ass knives but my endura 4 and super freek m4 meet my nerds. Own a spyfie chef and the 940. Agree with you man. They hardly make rotation.
I currently own .. Notice didn't say carry.. A zt 0350ts. Cool lookin is it at best. It is a regret as a purchase . do love my 940 though .. Litrle delicate but like it .mostly due to warranty and i only pd 125.00 4 it. So that did help too.
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Now your obligated to do “10 knives that are underrated”.
😉 next weekened!
Metal Complex I’m looking forward to that one.
Carl Clarke yea I saw it but thought I’d put OBLIGATED in there
Build a whole series LOL ! 10 most confiscated by TSA ? Most impractical designs ? Unusual deployment? 😀
@Carl Clarke or even 19:20
I’d argue the Opinel No 8 is a great fishing bait knife, the inox stainless more so than the carbone you showed, because they’re so cheap that if you lose them it’s not going to hurt like a $40+ knife.
Also yes, I’ve lost knives going fishing.
It’s surprisingly easy to lose a knife off a jetty etc too.
There’s also plenty of other situations where a semi disposable knife is handy where I live too, but it’s 2am and I’m struggling to think right now.
Completely understandable reason to like it 👍
I think the Benchmade 940 is certainly overpriced but it is still by far my favorite locking folder. I bought mine during a black Friday sale for $165 which is so much more palatable then $250 that they typically go for. The 940 was satisfactory enough for me that I actually quit buying locking folders for almost 2 years after getting it.
His argument for the 940-1 is just that. Nothing he said argues against the actual quality of the knife as a tool, and QA issues aside, everyone I've encountered have loved their 940 to death. I generally liked the video and could see where he was coming from with most selections, but this argument does not hold up
@XonereX I was just making a comment back then, not arguing. What in the comment makes you believe I was irritated or trying to argue?
Just to clarify, it was not my intention to present "overpriced" and "overrated" as the same thing. I didn't do the best job of explaining that in the video. Sometimes, when a knife is popular, or has high demand, it'll have a price that corresponds MORE with demand, and less with build quality/functionality. Price was really only thrown in to show what would need to be paid in order to obtain these knives that I consider "overrated" for separate issues outside of price. Rest assured, I consider these knives "overrated" because of the general underwhelming feeling I get when compared to other "better" knives of the same caliber. Hope that's more clear!
That makes sense. But price definitely has a big part of the equation. I think the Shaman is waaaaay overrated for general EDC. I can't understand the $80 price difference compared to a Manix. The Manix is an ounce lighter, has virtually the same blade length, feels more comfortable in my hand (even with the contouring on the Shaman), and sits in my pocket better than the Shaman. Unless you are really need something with more tip strength on a daily basis, I can't figure out why the Shaman would be considered over a Manix. If the price was similar to the Manix, I think it would be easier to recommend the Shaman.
I've never owned but one on your list, the 0566 ,gave it to my son a week after I bought it. Picked up the 0562 a day later. Never liked the 940, tried to , but no. People have to remember you said OVERRATED ,not worse ,or bad knives. I actually thought it was a positive video, because you positively saved some people from a disappointing purchase IMHO. Great job MC , popular doesn't always make it good.
Exactly. Thank you for understanding 😊👍
Renegade Tank Crowe great comment I was just going to say something like this. Am not that eloquent though 😂
@@monkeyfaceII I'm actually socially unacceptable, I believe there was a poll taken by the neighborhood.😁🍻
LOL 🤣
@@metal_complex I gave you a thumbs up, just for being brave in front of knife owners.
Lmao calling a 10 dollar knife overrated.
Yeah. Says something about the knife i guess.
@@poeskloes2651 guess u dont have one.
Ya it's overrated. 1 year later. No flinch, two thumbs down.
I've got my own list like this the "knives I bought because they're so praised but I wish I wouldn't have bought them." The 940 and bugout I agree with, my bugout came with lock stick that never went away and the 940 has an edge like an axe. I'd have to put the PM2 on there too, bought it a year and half ago and carried only once, it's fine but there was no choir of angels singing when I opened the box, the edge is wonky and even, the g10 rough and unfinished around the edges and the clip is way too tight, expected an A+ but it was only a B.
Not easy when most reviewers get knives for free to Praia on their channels. So we think it’s a good knife and buy them.
Opinel's have their place. Great for a thin slicey locking blade that won't scare the sheeple, but the break in time (every one I've bought is very slip sticky for quite a while) and deployment are UGH.
The 940-1501 (KW exclusive) is still the best bang for the buck 940, an extra 70 over that for s90v > 20cv and cf > g10 is asking a lot.
The bugout was designed specifically for people who are counting ounces, I agree it feels flimsy even if in use it's sturdy. The material difference for the price between the manix 2 g10 and the bugout is probably because of the warranty differences (BM blows away spyderco in this department).
The zt350 was my first good knife. I was 13 (7 years ago...wow) when it first came out, it was an amazing knife. I agree now that the same knife with the same materials for the same price today is too much IMO. If it was $120 I’d say go for it though
benchmades are garbage all around. they inflate the price of their mediocre knives. not surprising considering they support anti gun and pro knife ban democrat politicians. bad people are the same all around and everywhere, no matter if they're in the edc industry or not. boycott benchmade once the demand goes away they'll have to adjust the price to its proper place in the 50-100 dollar range.
I actually purchased a bugout online and called before it was shipped and changed my order to the para 3 lightweight. I'm very happy with my decision!
You came out and straight up voiced all my problems with these knives 😂
Just fyi, unless they’ve changed the opinel in the last 5 years, it’s a convex grind not FFG. Love my no8 it’s a great paring knife but that’s where it stays, in my kitchen for light use. Great value though. 🤔
Great video! I was always really confused about the Bugout popularity. I'd take a knife with some heft that inspires confidence over saving a few ounces in my pocket. Admittedly though, I am a huge Benchmade fanboy.
I rarely worry about knife weight. I have a black belt and brown suspenders. To be honest, my Ka-Bar Mule and CS AD-10 don't get carried because of their weight.,
Have to agree on most of your list. Although I love my spydiechef it isn’t as amazing as most say it is. I usually laugh anytime I see a list and it includes the CRKT m16 as a good budget knife. As far as the benchmade knives on the list I tend to think all their knives are over rated. Don’t get me wrong they’re good knives but when looking at price and build quality they are highly over rated.
We actually get issued the benchmade infidel when we deploy overseas. The Air Force has been doing it for years. While it is nice, useful, and fun to play with, I would never go out and spend as much of my own money for this knife as benchmade is asking.
I was issued an AFO II years ago on deployment and loved it. I wouldn’t have bought one out of my own pocket. I’ve since been shopping for an OTF and settled in an AKC F-16, for $50 I’m going to see what the hubbub is all about before I jump in on a microtech.
I love my Ranger Green BugOut and it is one of my favorite and most carried knives, but I admit I'd give up some weight savings for those FRN scales to be black G10. It would probably never leave my pocket then.
The Bugout continues to stand the test of time. I love going back to these older videos of people naysaying it/getting hung up on the name because it's just funny how wrong some knife guys were about what has become an industry standard. Also, how can it be "overrated" when so many knife snobs seem to hate it?
I pretty much agreed with each of your selections on this list. I wonder, would the Kershaw Leek and its counterparts (Chive, Scallion, etc) ever make this list? What about the Hinderer-designed Kershaw Cryo II?
I think those belong here.
Finally, what’re your thoughts on Cold Steel’s pocket tank, the SR1?
I own the tanto variant but have been contemplating adding its drop point cousin to the family.
I love my 0350. I love it more because I snagged a barely used tiger stripe model for only $118 on eBay lol. I totally agree with your point about the USA kershaws, but there’s just something about the feel of a ZT that makes it worth spending the extra money. Kershaw’s higher end knives are perfectly fine, but when you hold a ZT it feels like straight quality and I’ve never experienced that same feeling with any of the kershaws.
I really enjoy my Benchmade Infidel but the secondary market pricing tells you all you need to know about what people think it’s worth. Still, if you get one on the secondary market at around $250ish it’s an amazing knife at that price.
Checking in a little over 3 years later, in March 2023:
In early 2021 the Benchmade Bugout was $131, but has increased by $31 to now cost $162. And this is $44 over the initial price of $118.
In early 2021 the Benchmade 940-1 was $272, but has increased by $43 to now cost $315.
Benchmade is one of my favorite knife companies, so it truly pains me to say they've increased their price SO MUCH recently that I doubt I'll ever buy one new again. I've owned dozens of them, & bought maybe half of them new. They were priced high even before the recent price hikes. But I understood that, because they're made in the USA & Benchmade has a great warranty service that I've experienced personally. But the flagship grivory Bugout in S30V going from $131 to $162 is an increase of 23.6% in just under two years. That's outrageous to me. And the 940-1 isn't much better going from $272 to $315, an increase of 15.8%.
I recently bought a Hogue Deka SMKW exclusive with carbon fiber scales & MagnaCut steel on sale for $159. That's $3 LESS than the standard S30V Bugout costs today. And even forgetting that I got it on sale, you can compare the standard grivory MagnaCut Deka at $127-$135 to the Bugout at $162, & conclude there is something wrong with the price on the Bugout.
I believe that if Benchmade continues to hike prices without somehow offering at least some kind of upgrade to their models, they'l price themselves right out of the market.
I get that inflation is a thing, & I know there are other reasons prices need to be raised. But look at Spyderco. They've also increased prices on their flagship models, the Para Military 2 & Para 3, but in doing so they also upgraded the blade steel from S30V to S45VN. So in their case, at least theyr're trying to add value where they can to go along with the price increases.
This is a pretty old video, so who knows if anyone will ever read this. But I had to get this off of my chest.
I carry and love my spydiechef, but to be honest I totally agree with everything you've said about it. Still my current favorite though
yup. it's still the best folder for slicing food... at the price it's not as nicely finished as my Techno, the lockbar is a bit thin for SHTF, and also has the typical slight rattle from the lanyard tube...but the handle really does carry extremely well, excellent pocket access, excellent ergos and even a ceramic detente.
Good vid! I can't really disagree with your reasons or choices at all. If I posted my top ten overrated list, people would be throwing Molotov cocktails at my house! 😌
Totally agree with a lot of this list. The Benchmade infidel is horribly overpriced. The Bugout handle snapped at 160 pounds on a cold steel video, where the air lite stood up to 255 lbs and costs $50 less. Remember, the title of the video was most overrated knives, not worst knives. A good knife that is way overpriced qualifies like the ZT’s.
How opinions vary-- Excellent video.
As far as cutting tools go for cutting vegtables and fruit I have used a Opiniel #9 for over 6 years and with the thin blade stock
it is a cutting laser.
The Bugout, for the past year I was on the fence about this knife and I finally purchased one. It has become one of my top 5 knives simply because I can carry it in light weight pants or shorts around the house.
The knife is still overpriced by about 25.00.
benchmade artificially inflates the prices because people keep blindly buying them based on reputation alone. time to boycott these idiots. plus they support democrat politicians who are anti gun and anti knife
I know this is an old video. But have you handled the aluminum bugout with M390 yet? I got it yesterday and it's fantastic. It deals with all your issues with the og one.
I agree with you more than not on this list . Especially with the Kwaiken and Bug out . Good list MC 👍
I’ve been on the fence with the bugout. I’ve been wanting the Battlewash exclusive from Knife Center. I can afford one knife a month, but DLT Trading is going to have the Spyderco Para 3 red frn in M390 for $130. Decisions, decisions.
Oh man... the red Para 3 in m390 would be hard to beat! Though IMO, you'll need to buy an MXG deep carry clip to perfect it!
Metal Complex I am leaning towards the Para 3. I’ll let you know what I end up with.
For what it’s worth, I think you’ll be much happier with the Para 3.
brose04008 I think so too!
Great topic MC. Bound to piss off some fanboyz, but it's nice to hear your opinion on why you think a knife is overrated when other people rave about it. You are upfront about it being your opinion & are not trying to say knife X is bad, you just don't think the price fits the hype, or in case of the Opinel, better knives are available for a little bit more money. One handed opening, different steels & handle material, etc. Saying that, I have owned an Opinel 8 since the 1980's. Used it a few times, but always grabbed some other knife given the choice.
I have been considering the Bugout but can't get past the price. The bugout has so many fans, you are bound to get bombarded by how wrong they think your opinion is. It's your own opinion, so at least you say why you don't like it. Price, and feels cheap to you. I see nothing wrong with your logic. Changing the scales to something more solid feeling increases the price.
Remember, when the nuclear comments hit, duck and cover. ☢⚠️🤣
My reactions:
1. Opinel - 100% yes. I had to do so much work getting mine to where I could open it consistently. The wood would swell up and jam the blade in the closed position. Anyone buying their first knife is better off doing something like paying a little extra for a case sodbuster jr in CV steel that opens and closes without it being an ordeal
2. Paraframe - Ehhhh.... I'm not sure this knife is overrated so much as it is... Rated. Most people I know will say it's a junk drawer knife, but it's the best knife you can walk into a home depot and buy. Which... Don't do that if this is the best you can do
3. Kwaiken - 60% yes. I object to it but for different reasons than you do. The edge rides way too close to the back of the handle when closed, and that's just not acceptable to me. But if you have different fingers than I do... then sure. Maybe it's a great knife for some people. But definitely not for me, and I surely can't think my objection to it is so uncommon
4. M16 & M21 - See #2, but with a different store
5. 0566 - Never handled this. Assisted knives are illegal where I am, so I've never bothered
6. 0350 - Never handled this either. That recurve is an absolute non starter for me
7. 940-1 - I think I'd adjust what you've said here to just about any upgraded fancy pants version of any knife. Upgraded fancy pants versions of knives are for people who absolutely loved the base model. If you're thinking about getting a spyderco native, get the base S30V model. If you love it so much that you'd call it the perfect design for you and you just absolutely must have the fanciest version of it, then get the fluted carbon fiber version. I think the same goes for the G10 griptillian, the 940-1, and any other knife with a base version and a different version wearing fancier pants
8. Infidel - See #5, but replace assisted with OTF.
9. Spydiechef - I get where you're coming from on this I think. This is one I haven't handled, so I don't feel I have a place to chime in here for, but I'm not sure what the Spydiechef's peers would even be. The Liang Mah kitchen knife lookin' thing? The spyderco kapara? The Kapara is hard to find and the KUF is $400. So... If someone wants to say "The spydiechef is the best folding kitchen knife for the money" I'd be totally willing to say "Sure. That checks out"
10. Bugout - Y'know what? Sure. This was a knife that was designed for a very specific use case that people who were never going to use it for that use case all flipped out over saying "OMG, this is the best knife that's ever been made in the history of ever." Is it the best folding backpacking knife in it's price range? Y'know? Probably. Is it the best folding knife in its price range Ehhhhhh... I have a harder time saying that for sure. The spyderco native is damn good and ergonomically excellent. Same can be said for the para3 lightweight. There's also the k390 dragonfly (a little unfair to the bugout since your video came out before that was announced). And of course there's Benchmade's own griptillian. There are so many good EDC blades in this price range, and do you really want to pay extra for yours to be lighter weight than you will ever really need it? It's my opinion that as long as your knife is light enough in weight that you can carry it without getting annoyed at it, your knife is light enough. For me, that line is about 4 oz. Any knife less than 4 oz is light enough for going in my pants pocket and walking around. I don't need to pay extra for it to be lighter than that unless it's going in my hiking and camping backpack (literally the thing the bugout was designed for) and for that I have an LT Wright fixed blade (actually coming in with a weight penalty, but there are enough advantages to carrying a fixed blade in my hiking and camping backpack that that's the choice I made). Again, the bugout is genuinely amazing, and a really good EDC blade, but I definitely get what's being said in this video. The amount of hype surrounding it does not match the amount of value you're going to get out of it. Personally, I disagree with you that it feels cheap, but that's your experience with it and not mine. I see it as a lightweight backpacking knife. I get the design decisions that went into it, and I think the "you can compress the scales" "controversy" is overblown, but again. Everyone's opinions are their own, and with so many choices in that price category, if you don't like those flexible scales, get a different knife (again. This plays into my point that there are so many good choices competing with the bugout that it's hard for me to say it's getting the proper amount of praise)
Currently I have a Kershaw Leek in blackwash. I like it, but I don't like it. Edge retention is a big issue. Feels like it's always dull. Other than that, I like it a lot. I like the profile, the size, the spring-assist opening and the locking mechanism. Just really don't like the way it goes dull so dang quick. Recommend me a new knife?
Ive wanted a Spyderco Caribbean forever because I do alot of work around salt, calcium, and brine solution in the winter. Considered a spydiechef in LC200N because you just cant find a Caribbean. I did not buy one. Still on the lookout for a plain blade Caribbean.
I sold my zt0566 and bought a cold steel AD10....zero regrets.
Hey! I've had TONS of knives and I have not found many that cut as well as an Opinel. It is basic but it does what a knife should do - cut! It was not meant for collectors but for people who use their knives.
But I'd rather pay $40 and have a Rat 1 👍
@@metal_complex That's because you only use your knives to open the packages of the next knives… kidding!
@@melusinecentun5847 😉
I was contemplating between the 940 and a few other knives! Just needed to hear someone else say it wasn’t worth the money. I appreciate your honesty Metal! Thanks.
940-2 is worth every cent
The 940-2 is definitely much better for the money 👍
940-1501 from knife center. It's similar to the 940-2 but with 20cv steel and still just $200.
I just got my 1st Benchmade Bugout in M390 with, I think, aluminum scales. It's very light weight for it's materials. That said after getting it home and spending a day with it I'm not OMG blown away. Especially after the $250 price tag before tax. I really like this knife and I'll definitely get my money's worth out of it if I can but looking back I don't think I would make the same purchase twice. Then again maybe I'm too simple to understand the quality I hold in my hand. My wife has told me that before.
I like the look of The James Brand but can’t understand why they cost so much. I guess they’re US made but still. Great video MC.
Trucking-Chuck yeah i like them but don’t own one because I think the same
Carlos EDC They have a new model can’t remember the name but it looks something if carry but dang the prices are high for them. Thanks for reading comment good buddy.
The Duval is the name of their new “front flipper”. It, like most of their stuff, is GROSSLY overpriced. A Ti framelock with a 2.75” S35VN blade with micarta or rosewood scale for $275?!?! I had to look at different sites to make sure that price was right. That knife shouldn’t be a dollar over $140, and that’s the very high end. TwoSun would probably sell it for $80-100.
Matthew Harris yeah that’s it. It looks great. But that’s a lot of money.
Yea, James brand. I feel like they price their knives in a manner so that people can say, "Check this out, I paid XXX$ for it." Purely peacocking pocket jewelry.
I'm glad you made this video. Nothing like stirring up peoples thoughts. I've noticed for while, a lot of "knife reviewer's" sites are just regurgitating reviews that are 10 years old or strictly stating what is the best, based on Amazon sales numbers without actually knowing anything about what they are writing.
I own 4 Benchmade knives and I love all 4 for different reasons. Two of the 4 are bugouts both were gifts from my wife. One of my bugouts has become my edc knife the blade steel is M4 which I love the handle scales are natural jade G-10, but I agree both of my bugouts I would consider overated based on price to materials used. Me personally I want to get the best deal I possibly can on a knife and most Benchmades are way overpriced. Great video, Thank you for the content!
@Metal Complex - great video! Thank you. What a fresh topic! Just quit your back-pedaling and scraping and apologizing for having certain knives on your list. I wish you were more brutal. Even though I have a ZT-0566, I wasn't offended. I agreed! Right on Bro! Power to the People!
I think your reasoning behind each pick is sound. I carry a Bugout every day. Once I got that I just can't carry anything else because everything else feels like a damn kettlebell in my pocket. I get how it could feel cheap to some folks but man the practicality of it makes it a dream. And the thing is, it really isn't cheap. It's quite sturdy. But ya I get it.
I was severely underwhelmed by my Hinderer XM-18... it's not a bad knife (the edge was particularly disappointing) but I definitely felt like "Why is this so expensive and so popular"?
Your score- 90%. I own half of these. I purchased the Bugout because of all the great reviews. My reaction to it was identical to yours. I like the Spydiechef, especially the steel. And the shape. And the ergos. It's probably overpriced, but I feel that it is a great knife. I do carry it. #9,8,5,4, and 3 were either bad knives (like the Gerber) or cost way too much. I have handled the 940 on several occasions and each time I just shook my head and wondered the reason that someone would shell out that much money for that knife. I enjoyed your video. I'm wondering how many of your underrated knives that I own.
I agree with you that these knives m(except one) are overrated. I would also add the spyderco delica and endura (though I love both knives) as being very overrated for what you are getting. I would also add the benchmade griptillian.
I also agree that the spyderco spydie chef is very plain and boring but when you consider its intended use as a knife that can be used anywhere and will not rust I think that the plainlessness is justified. As an everyday carry for someone who works in an office (me included) it is very plain. I am not arguing that but if carried as a knife that is outdoorsy be it camping, rafting or any other outdoors endeavor I think it is the exact configuration it should be.
Sorry for the novel. I enjoyed this video.
I agree- I'd put thr "fullsize" and put in the statemake
Wow. I felt like I was taking crazy pills. I agree with just about everything you said. Most of the knives aren't bad, but may be a bad value. I would have preferred the ZT 0566 in Elmax; I have the blackwash S35VN version and to be honest, I carry my Kershaws much more frequently. They have better steel and an almost similar build quality and ergonomics. Close your eyes and have somebody put a 0566 in one hand and a Cryo in the other. Sans the steel frame, can anybody tell the difference?
I have literally never seen a top 10 carry knives of all time with a bunch of cheap Walmart knives in them. I have that 0566 not my favorite but I like it and it was only $109. I love my Kwaikens though. The knife I probably carry most is my 20cv mini griptillian the one I have with plain edge, thumb stud, black blade. I have another satin with combo edge and a full size 20cv sheepsfoot black blade besides all the other grips I have. Lately I have been carrying the Sage 1 though but a lot of that is because I just recently got it along with 9 other discontinued Spydercos. I have a few of these. The Bugout feels cheap but I like it. I just got the Knifecenter exclusive red battleworn one to have a different one then everybody else. I don't carry a knife for anything besides opening boxes and whatever else. If I need to defend myself I have a gun on me. The Manix 2 isn't as much as the Bugout though. I really like my Manix knives I have a few but I don't like how bulky and heavy they are. I think the lightweight ones look and feel cheap so I haven't bought one but I just got a Cru Wear one I think was a Knifecenter exclusive and it was only $135. The standard S30v one with black G10 I have I paid less then $100 for.
Man, you absolutely crushed it here! I am extremely impressed. Of the knives on this list, I have had the Gerber, Boker, 0562, 940, infidel and M16. The Gerber is just flat out one of the worst knives I’ve ever owned, despite a cool design idea. The Kwaiken I want to love because I feel i am supposed to, but i just don’t. The 0566 belongs somewhere near the bottom of ZT models. The Infidel - well, I had the mini and full sized, and, well, uhhhhhhhh, 400 bucks? Really? I can’t stand MT but please just give me a Troodon and let’s move on. This knife has no place on the market. The M16 is cool looking, I’ll give it that. But it’s too small to use. And it’s just.... bad. The 940-2 CF , and the red one that was an exclusive, is the only one I’d argue a little for. I’ll just say, while I liked it, it’s small. It’s not in my collection anymore, and don’t have any intention to get another. Okay, so now let me give some credit to the good models - CRKT Pilar is a great - I have 4. The swindle is great. The Blur is great. Benchmade - balisongs from 10 years ago remain some of the best in the world. Crooked river is kinda neat. And their new little colab w the Patrick Famin i think. Gerber.... uhhhh... oh! The Dime multi tool is on my keychain. ZT .... 0900 modded (no tab, add stud), the new one w the thumb disc (0470 maybe?). Lots of good ones.
The bugout is def overrated. I returned it the same day it arrived.
Handled it hated it. The bailout on the other hand is pretty decent.
The price is to high for a bad handle and not good design I can buy alot of others knives with that $
I still have my bug out but don’t carry it. I showed to other non knife people and they said they wouldn’t pay $10 for it. Just because it feels cheap
I think most of the following for the bugout is because of the aftermarket handle scales. A set of good titanium or carbon fiber scales and it's an edc that is pretty damn hard to beat.
@Castle Bravo I'm not a fanboy here, so not getting into a debate but I'm kind of curious how you would imagine soild titanium or carbon fiber scales being "flimsy"
Nice video. I have had my Spydiechef for over 2 years and it may be my favorite (user) knife of all time. I was able to get it on sale brand new at Optics Planet for $168, a great price for this knife. At the current price of $217, I would say that the knife is much less compelling.
Totally agree on the Infidel, and highly overpriced, and poor design as well as cheaper materials. Benchmade is competing for vanity pricing with Microtech. As well, the best placement for the button is on the side where your thumb naturally falls.
On the Bugout, just too small and I don't have giant hands. You can cut your thumb just opening it, since there's so little real estate to hang onto.
Selling knives for my friend, had a Spideychef and Domino too, decided to buy Domino red weave from him but really did think the chef was overrated, it did sell easily at 170 used also! People do love it, just not my cup of tea in anyway.
Ahh, nothing like coming from work and unwinding to an MC knife video. Superb channel and there’s a lot of knowledge to be gained-even though I consider myself fairly knowledgeable on knives.
Also, you should re-review the Bugout with so aftermarket scales. You can buy versions of it with titanium, cf, micarta, or g10 already installed on various websites. It changes the price of the knife but it also changes the feel a TON!
Already have one + parts on the way 😉
Metal Complex can’t wait!
For that kind of money, I will be looking at other choices.
Boker Kwaiken loose ikbs ball bearings is so stupid too. Makes maintenance a nightmare!
I’m gonna disagree only on the bugout. Less then 2 oz weight ambidextrous and effortless easy to open one handed axis lock, also one great deep carry clip. ( sounds silly but aftermarket clip companies are doing great because so many people hate spyderco clips, I have several) The blade comes very sharp and is easy to keep shaving sharp I can clean slice water bottles after a little stropping. And I got mine new for a bit less then 118 if you wait for specials or do some smart shopping. when ever I get a new knife I carry that for a while and will cycle back to the bugout just so damn light and opens boxes too easily. A gym knife or basketball shorts knife also. I’ve abused it a few times, cutting several copper wires when I was too rushed to run and grab cutters out of the truck, slipping through zip ties and hitting something harder. The edge looks excellent under light. Anyways just my pov as a guy that carries 2 knives all the time and having this in the left pocket and easy to deploy or close and slip it away and again I paid less for it, is it a cold steel spartan or 4 max lmao no it’s not it’s American made and assembled 🇺🇸
I have an upload coming that you'll like 👍
Your thoughts on normandy knives otf. 155$ and it is solid,double action heft. Check them out. Made in Utah also.
I agree that the opinel isn't the best for EDC, but for food prep it's King lol.
I didn't really like the ergos on the 0350, but you should try out the 0300
I can't get over the way the fuller looks on the infidel...
I feel like most spydercos are overrated lol
You mean because the bottom of the fuller looks like a ballsack? Lol
@@metal_complex you already know XD
I got my 1st pocket knife when I was about 8yo and it was a Gerber Paraframe variant. With that being said, I can thank it for starting my fascination with knives, but that's about all I can thank it for lol. I've long since retired that one for much better knives. Also, I agree with you on the 940. I have the Knifeworks exclusive version of it and that's only because of the style of G10 and the steel and I got it on a black Friday sale lol
Also the native sale is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper with lc200n. Yes it may have fen handles but honestly that is a good knife for the price
On some of these I completely agree! The BM Bugout is an overpriced beater knife on par with other $30-40 beaters. The Bugout is a “consumable” knife in its original form and is not worth $120. If you have to spend $75-100 to make this knife better, then you had $200+ to spend on a much better knife. I don’t know why anyone would pass that option up?
However, on others on your list you say, “Let me stress that build QUALITY is top notch.” Yet build quality is the major factor that often drives purchases and usefulness. Then you say, “But it lacks anything special beyond that.” If it isn’t build quality then it’s esthetics. And esthetics alone isn’t enough to judge a knife as overrated. There are plenty of plane and ugly knives out there that are beloved and highly regarded.
You don’t think some of these choices are a bit petty just to fill out a Top 10 list? 🤔 Or was this all not to be taken all that seriously. 😄
I wonder if “overpriced” is getting mingled with “overrated”. They are definitely two different things. I heartily agree that some here are WAY OVERPRICED. But, that would be a great Next Video. Now on to your 10 Underrated Knives. 🏃🏻♂️💨💨
I got my paraframe for $5. It's lasted many many years without fail. Probably the best bang for your buck knife if you find one on sale.
I also feel like the Smock is massively overrated. It's just not that practical of a knife, more of just a fun knife than a useful one.
I agree. Fun to flick, but the blade length is that of a Mini-Griptilian.
Man. I love my 940-1. But you aren't wrong about the price. Especially since I recently paid only $195 for the Blade HQ jade G10 and M4 940.
A lot of guys dont realize why some knives are considered so highly. I've been in the business for over 30 years. I remember when the flipper first came out, the frame lock or RIL, premium steels like 154cm by Loveless. there are reasons you may not know.
I've owned a lot of knives. The Spydiechef is the best knife I've ever owned. It's pretty, the ergonomics are second to none, the steel is great, and the construction is top notch. I don't understand how you think it's overrated, but, to each their own. Good video. Keep it up
Hi, ok there’s very my information and a ton of links in the description. What about the listing of videos content?
Just got the bhq blackout bugout. Had been carrying a mini copper natrix before making the bugout seem really light . Will probably get flytanium copper scales for it
My mom bought me the gerber paraframe very tiny knife. I bought my wife the rike hummingbird. It’s a much cooler knife. Most practical mini grip. Favorite to show off: 781 anthem most carried: 940-1. Pocket Knife that will last the longest: cold steel demko 4max (because I’ve never used it). Dumbest purchase: Spyderco mamba. Next knife I want infidel and 551-1.
Alright, Alright! You say the Boker Kwaiken is overrated (I happen to disagree 🤔). Then…
…particularly with the Mini Kwaiken in mind, what’s a better Gentlemen’s Carry than that in its’ price range? I’ve got the all-Copper version and it’s gorgeous and amazing in a pair of slacks. And when needed, it’s attractive and non-threatening in all scenarios. Very hardy & stiff, not like the delicate and spindly CRKT CEO.
I just don’t see how the Mini Kwaiken is overrated. Just because you personally don’t care for a knife doesn’t make it overrated in the market place. I don’t care for Spydercos. But I’m not under the allusion that they are overrated. I’m sure they are popular for a reason. That reason though doesn’t happen to attract me.
I like the kwaiken auto, but I guess that’s a Protech
you really have to pay attention when opening, because no grip other than the clip. Like it but even that version isn’t top 10 worthy
The 0566 has a case for top 10 edc. Materials and craftsmanship is all ZT. Only downside is it’s weight...,yes it’s steel.....yes it’s an affordable ZT...yes it’s assisted...yes it’s a great knife.
The 0350? I agree with you there.
The m16 series and m21 was designed with serviceman in mind. its not trying to look like a military pocket knife. It actually just is one. The US military has a lot of personnel carrying them.
There are a lot of personnel carrying a lot of different knives. No judgement, but I'm keeping my opinion.
Mmmm...I was really considering that 0566, always liked it and was hoping for a price drop.
I was split on the chef styling but grew to love it as it reminds me of something super minimalist and kind of like something old. Lovely knife, but certain angles it ain’t pretty
What would you recommend over the zt 0566?
Good video. Thanks for sharing. I would have put the Spyderco delica on the list. Good knife for sure, but very over priced in these modern days. We are lucky to have so many good options at every price range these days.
Their yearly price increases are what destroy their knife value...The Delica used to be their budget knife.
Yearly price increases give rise to value in other brands. Competition is born through this cycle
If the Para 3 or PM2 looks like a wounded pelican, then what does that make the Spydiechef, to me it's like a whale of some kind. But all jokes aside it is my grail and I love it! It isn't perfect tho and I totally hear ya on your thoughts
Well we all learned something today..
Metal Complex has broken hands.
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I agree with you on the 940-1 but I have one and I'd buy it again. It is definitely overpriced. It looks pretty but holds up so many years into it I have forgotten how much money I spent on it:)
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Agree with a few and disagree with a few. Agree with Bugout. Disagree with Spydiechef. Also I do like the 0566 but would like to see ZT update that’s model and make a premium 0566 with Titanium and running on bearings without the assisted opening.
On the 940-1, your argument is that you think it's *overpriced* (which it is), not that it has physical shortcomings that would disqualify it as a reasonable choice as a top 10 knife. I haven't met a single person face to face or online that didn't love their 940 (Benchmade's notorious QA issues aside). It's an excellent knife made with excellent materials, and if you can get it on sale and it speaks to you, you should get it. Again, not overrated, just overpriced.
When Nutnfancy did his ZT 0561/2 review and called it a Hinderer for $250-ish....I bought it...and it was one of my first large high end folders...that knife is PAINFUL to hold and operate compared to MANY Knives and it is NOT akin to a Hinderer☹️
For some reason I'm drawn to your negative reviews. Had a great time tonight watching your old Smith & Wesson extreme ops gas station knife videos. Glad I was never attracted to those kinds of things. Keep up the good rants! & congrats on the success of your channel!
I subscribed and unsubscribed five times during this video...
Haha
I understand.
My guess of the #1 is correct though I like it.
I love my clip point paraframe! Sharp and solidly built. Usually my hard use knife while i baby the demkos and GECs
I agree with a good bit of your list. However, you can't hit the 0556 without hitting the XM18. They're (from my experience) essentially the same knife and the XM18 is well over $400.Even with the upgrade to 20cv, It's not worth the price tag.
And don't even get me started on the Sebenza.
The 0556 and the XM-18 are the same? No. You're thinking of the 0562, which was ZT's intended "XM-18" model. An argument could be made there for sure. The 0566 was designed by Hinderer, but it's quite a ways off.
"It's just a blade and a handle" Yes MC that is what a folding knife is. XD I dunno about some of your picks you pick some bad value knives but I've literally never seen the Infidel or the Kwaiken on a rating list personally, I've never seen the Opinel on a list outside of starter or a budget list(and I think it deserves that place as a classic and a simple and extremely effective well priced knife).
Most overrated knives imo: 1) Spyderco Delica this knife has been in way way way too many top ten lists for a knife that is only ok and is as bad of a value as it is, 2)Hinderer XM 18 again it's an ok knife that costs way too much but is considered a grail by too many people, 3)Spyderco PM2 Literally on every top 10 list from the beginning of time and is a good knife but the price is too high for the materials and it's nothing special imo, 4)Benchmade Bugout the cheap feeling kills it for me, 5)Benchmade 940s yes all of them, just a value issue for a knife that is rated so highly from what I've seen, 6)Spyderco Slyzch Bowie I honestly don't get why people crap their pants over this knife other than Nick Shabazz likes it, 7) Spyderco Para 3 is way too highly regarded for a knife that requires an aftermarket clip to be tolerable to carry, 8)Spyderco Tenacious for a knife that costs $50 for 8Cr13 this is way way too represented on top lists, 9)CRK Sabenza I just don't see the appeal like it's a TI framelock that doesn't have anything special going on and costs $400 why is this a grail?, 10) CRKT M16 see your complaints. Dishonorable mentions: Kizer Mini Sheepdog it's okay but I saw way too much hype about this knife and I really can't love the ergos, CRKT Large Pilar the action on this is awful at least mine was I dunno, Gerber Paraframe I think your complaints were totally valid and I could see this displacing another knife on the list.
Have to agree with most of this^^^.
I can see how some can't grasp the lure of the Sebenza , but if you have a titanium frame lock in your pocket, you can thank Chris Reeves for the design, or at least for making it popular.bit I understand your opinion and respect your choices.👍
@@tankcrowe5417 respect. I don't question Chris Reeves contributions to the knife world and if I was picking iconic or historic knives for a collection I can absolutely see picking a Sebenza just not as a knife to use for me.
@@gnomersy1087 I bought one he made by hand before he purchased CNC machines, think it was around 1995, with a one of a kind design on the scales and a Devin Thomas Damascus ladder pattern blade, I'm sorta a historic relic myself! 🤣😂
Sebenza is attractive for 3 reasons. Wood inlays, damascus, an just the fact it's made by Chris Reeves.
Funny, your picture of the 940 also has a lanyard in the stock photo, when the 940 has no lanyard hole! I do agree with your observations! Thanks for this!
I get that the 940-1 is a little overpriced, but I still love mine! But I'm curious what your favorite knife would be for the $270 price tag.
I actually really like it as well! I would probably go with the 0562 ti 👍
I just bought the Zero Tolerance 0350 for $107 on SMKW. Do you think that's a good price?
Yep! 👍
@@metal_complex Alright I'm glad. I'm 15 and now I am starting to get into higher end knives. The 0350 and 0562cf are my first ZT's and I think they'll serve me well. Just subbed to your channel and I'm looking forward to learning more about knives.
From the sound of it this video is more of a 'Top Ten Knives That Triggered Me For Being On Someones Top Ten'
I’ve never liked the look of the 940, the 0566 being steel frame and assisted definitely is meh if you compared to the 0562, I’d rather get a microtech over the infidel for the price. Lol but that’s just my opinion and people should carry what they want and like.
I dunno why but the Gerber paraframe has always managed to get into my pocket. I only recall buying one. But somehow I own 3. I don't recall buying any of them except the one origional. But like em or not, they are effective and do poke holes. 😊
Been carrying my 0566 for 5 years or so every day. El max steel though. I love it
I've got the CRKT M16-14SFG and it's nice to see it's worth more than when I bought it for 4 or 5 years ago. And there was just a BHQ vid? with a soldier who carried a variant on tour. So, overrated yes - but effective and durable enough ? Yep.
I have expensive ass knives but my endura 4 and super freek m4 meet my nerds. Own a spyfie chef and the 940. Agree with you man. They hardly make rotation.
I currently own .. Notice didn't say carry.. A zt 0350ts. Cool lookin is it at best. It is a regret as a purchase . do love my 940 though .. Litrle delicate but like it .mostly due to warranty and i only pd 125.00 4 it. So that did help too.
I happen to agree with you on all 10 knives for me there's no bang-for-the-buck there's no value damn good review
What shocks me is how an opinel often outcuts more expensive alternatives
what do you mean exactly by "out cut" ? the blade geometry is pretty thin so yea it can slice good.