That is the wrong to look at charging speed. You need to look at how many miles of usable range were added in 21 minutes to compared to other cars. The Model S Plaid starting at 5% to 70% takes 23 minutes adding 213 miles of EPA range vs the Taycan starting at 0-80% in 21 minutes adding around 207 miles. Obviously the Tesla Plaid starting at 0% SOC could get the same 207 miles under 20 minutes with a 450V architecture.
Hardly. That's only 200 miles in 21 mins. My basic Model 3 SR+ adds 180miles in 25 mins on a standard supercharger. Like the 3SR+ , the Taycan is at the bottom end of acceptable and theres no Long Range version
Great video, as always Richard - top content, fella...! Loved the 10%-block charging rates table, too - like you said, incredibly impressive charging speeds... right the way through to 70%, each 10% uptake was around 2-3 minutes, with the 70% up to 80% charge stretching that ever so slightly up to 5 minutes. But, oh my goodness, that 'last' 10% up to 90% took 14 minutes by comparison...!! Just shows the importance of EV drivers NOT hogging a rapid charger trying to get to 100%...! ;-)
I love these range videos. They are fascinating. Great stuff guys. Even though the Taycan doesn't have the best range, the fact that you can charge this fast at these high power chargers means you can do long trips in it without losing too much time recharging it. I can live with that. We just need more 350KW chargers around the UK that's all. 0-80% in 21 minutes! That is simply nuts.
Taycan 4s has one of the best tested ranges: 323 miles according to www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html Of course if you choose the big and open wheels you get less, the Tesla Plaid also has 48 miles penalty (per factory specs) with the bigger wheel option.
What is 'simply nuts' about it? Tesla's cars have been doing similar for years.. and some actually would beat this speed as far as miles gained in the time spent. A model 3 on a V3 Supercharger will gain a little more miles in little less time. I'm not saying the Taycan isn't impressive.. I'm just saying.. this isn't nuts.. it's not the best in the world.. it's very good! But.. there's a lot of comments here that seem like they don't realize this stuff already exists at a far lower price.. and with a far better charging network.
@@airheart1 True, you now get the 800V power with Ioniq 5 for half the price. But Taycan still has the best numbers and looks better than the rest. I mean, sustaining an average of 200+ kW 0-80 % is unheard of.
@@airheart1 Remember that Tesla has been doing this for many years before Porsche came on board. So they have experience making electric cars. Therefore faster charging performance is to be expected from them by virtue of them having done it for much longer. And if you want to be honest, the first Teslas were not really charging that fast when they were first launched. Some Tesla Model S/X are still charging at slower rates even today because their onboard equipment was not designed to cope with such a massive amount of energy so quickly. It was only when the Model 3 and the V3 Superchargers were launched that Tesla charging speed ramped up quite a bit. So give Porsche some credit. This is their very first EV that is already charging very fast. Also, remember that Teslas don't charge that fast on third party public charging stations to be fair. They only charge fast on their own dedicated Tesla Superchargers. So to know that you can simply drive up to any high power third party public charging station in a Taycan and charge this fast is quite remarkable. Nuts, in a way.
@@chillout1109 not saying in any way the Taycan is not impressive. And i guess I expect a lot from any Porsche from day 1 with their experience and heritage. I just get the impression from the preponderance of comments I read in this story, that many think this is the first car to ever charge quickly lol. And for the record, my 2017 model S charges at just shy of 200 kwh at its peak on V3 supercharger. And most European Tesla’s have both the Tesla and CCS ports and thus get the best of both worlds. Supposedly Tesla will open their chargers to all CCS capable cars by the end of the year.. we’ll see. That will be a HUGE boon for all other EVs. There is so many more of them and they are generally more reliable.
Excellent video and advert for the Taycan. It would be great if you could give information on how much it cost to charge and compare that to a petrol and diesel equivalent.Keep all the great work.
Yes great facilities. Simple to use as they all should be and always fast. Gives us one of only a couple locations to be able to charge Tesla and non-Tesla side by side
Next video is gonna be good! Rich, whenever the UK gets the Plaid model S, can you redo the test as well. The charging on them is apparently much faster than the Raven Model S's
@Wooly Chewbakker yeh. However they are more efficient so the miles/min recovered during charging should be around the same if not better. At the end of the day that's what you care about on a road trip
@Wooly Chewbakker what... That statement has absolutely no logic to it. Someone states that recovered miles per minute is the best way to measure charging speed rather than KW, which doesn't take into account efficiency and your response is 'get an ICE' Good one. Now you can be quiet so I can discuss with someone with a semblance of logic
Thanks for a very fair test Richard. 260 miles with the most inefficient wheels and tires. 12” wide in the rear and the Mission E wheels have the poorest aerodynamics, but look great. Great charging session as well, thanks again for the vlog of this run. Traveling only the speed limit in a Taycan is a difficult job, I don’t think I could accomplish this test. ;-)
Again, a great informative video on real world use. That charge speed is fantastic! Would have me converted if only the range was at least 300 miles in the real world and it wasn't at such a premium for EV
How far do you drive each single day? If you drive more than 250 every day, then an ICE car is much better suited for you at the moment, until batteries are more advanced to a level where they will be able to charge from 0-100 in less than 15 minutes or so. However, if you, like the majority of ordinary drivers out there, only drive less than 100 miles per day, then the 259 mile Taycan is perfectly fine. On those occasional very long trips that you take once a year, routing your trip via these 350KW chargers would make such occasional once-per-annum journeys perfectly doable. Don't get hung up on extra long range batteries and such. Very few people, if any, actually routinely drive that far without stopping for comfort and safety breaks (where you then charge). A 250 mile range car is the sweet sport, especially here in Europe where there aren't any vast swathes of uninhabited travel-able pieces of land, like in the US, where you might risk not finding a charger in the middle of nowhere. As for the Taycan price, well, it IS a premium vehicle. It's not directed at the masses. For example, if you go berserk in the Taycan Turbo S options list, it's very easy to break through the £180,000 barrier. It's a very expensive car. But there are very good cheaper cars if you prefer that : Polestar 2, Model 3 Long Range, VW ID.3 Pro S to name a few.
True but I think range anxiety is personally my biggest worry. My commute is typically between 150 to 200 miles a day so totally doable. It's probably just those occasions where I do something else after work or head home and don't end up charging for whatever reason. Its that moment you start the car for an important day ahead and then realise you need an extra 30 mins to top up the battery somewhere. Once charging network improves I could then probably live with it. Shmee150 details his frustrations at finding available and working charge stations. I can just see that happening to me.
@@chillout1109 "An ICE car's much better suited"? I've posted elsewhere here. Richard ran from Edinburgh airport to Heathrow, charged for 27 minutes, and drove home. That single charge enabled a total range *In excess* of 660 miles, based on his figures for the day..... With a buffer. You DO NOT need more, certainly in the UK.
You do realize you could just buy a Tesla and get similar charge rates and save a bundle of money and actually have a much better charging experience in general.. right?
Real world 200 miles is plenty for the UK (so quoted 250 - 300 miles). After that you're just carrying around weight and using up resources that would be better used making batteries for more cars. 150 miles without a stop is pushing the limit for comfort and safety (realistically 3 hours for most UK routes). Start with battery at 100%, drive 150 miles until range is around 25%. Charge for 10 minutes to 75%. Drive 150 miles, charge for 10 minutes. Repeat endlessly. The missing link is charging infrastructure, not battery size or charging speed. For your 250 mile daily commute, you're not going to want to break your journey either way so you need low speed destination charging - car parks won't be able to provide enough fast chargers do you end up having to move your car during the day which is also a pain. Most people in an office carpark won't need to charge during the day, so you could equip a decent number of spaces with 2kW chargers; an 8 hour working day would give you 16kWh top up so you'd have plenty to get home. Like I say, it's not quite there for your situation yet, but I think it's the charging rather than the cars that needs improving.
I went and checked out a Taycan XT yesterday with my son...checking he could fit in the back. Lovely seats, but the cabin didn't feel as premium as the Macan S I bought a few years ago...and it's twice the price. I love the look of the XT and the charging speed...but the packaging isn't great...my current S3 is about the same inside and a much smaller footprint. I checked out the RS3 today...top spec £65K...my 4S XT was coming in at £110K. The RS3 is going to get my money...I can't believe I'm saying this...but it looks like good value compared to the Taycan! 👍🏻😎
There's a lot of talk on the internet that the Taycan's range can be improved a lot with different wheels and tyres. Enough that some people are doing that when they want to go on road trips. Sounds like an expensive option given the price of Porsche wheels and tyres but it would make a great video to test out the theory!
If you have 21 inch wheels you would have to buy 20 inch winter wheels anyway because 21 inch only come in summer tyres. It will cost an extra £4500 - £5000
260 miles is hardly range anxiety is it. How many people actually drive anywhere near that in one slog. If it charges to 70% in 16 minutes that's hardly any difference than fuelling a Petrol or Diesel ICE and going to the loo.
But remember.... Richard did 420 miles in the Raven, then added 4% - 57% in 27 minutes on a 130kW charger. (With a 29+ mile buffer at the bottom?) The new LR will be "interesting"?
What gets me is the “I’d be uncomfortable traveling out of town“ Like, how often do you get in your car and drive to a completely different city? Probably not very often. But this is what I hear most regarding range anxiety.
Bigger wheels are less efficient not due to aerodynamics but mainly due to rolling resistance. Shorter sidewalls generally have higher rolling resistance than taller (softer, more compliant) sidewalls.
That very, very much depends on the design. The killer in terms of big wheels is usually the weight. And rotational mass matters a hack of a lot. It is not hard to get super low rolling resistance tyres for these wheels, so the profile is not the thing to worry about, weight is. For this reason, get ceramic brakes too.
Great video, it’s just a shame no one seems to talk about how much it costs. For example, in this video, how much was it from 0 to 90%?
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The 0-60 for electric cars has to be the 20% to 80% charge time. If you buy either a city car or a bus regardless of the size of the battery pack 20to80 is always going to be the most vital statistic.
I hope to buy a Taycan some day. I'd choose a 4S with the bigger battery or a Turbo. As much as I love the design of the 21" Mission E wheels, I'd pick the 20" Turbo Aero wheels instead. I think they look better and are better for range.
If you want range, get something else. Love my Turbo S, but it's an A to B car really. They are not for fun road trips with spirited driving. They are nice to drive but the range is not there for that. It's a great comfy DD that is fast, but that's it.
With the news of Tesla opening up the supercharger network you should test if other EV's can be reached by the cables at superchargers. It would be interesting to find out which cars would be compatible.
A good idea, but I think very very few cars. The Tesla charge port is right on the corner of the vehicle, there is enough cable slack to allow for bad parking but not for a charge port anywhere other than left rear or right front corner. Even a Honda E probably wouldn't reach without some bad parking. In the US Tesla would need an adapter to CCS anyway, so they could make that as an extension cable or a new cable on the charger. In Europe whilst they already have a CCS plug I think they would need longer cables... Which would spoil the good design of having a short cable that doesn't tangle on the ground. Depends how badly they want to support non Tesla vehicles (is this for sales or for govt grant money).
That is my point. I do not think many cars will be able to use them. I have seen a few cars in pictures plugged into them thinking they can use them without success.
@@BanksSF I am sure it will make for an entertaining video to see just how badly you have to park some cars to make the cable reach. This could end up with people blocking two (parking in the next bay over if your charge port is on wrong side) or three (parking parallel to charger if charge port is on the side) bays to connect up. Most likely Tesla will start putting in some 'other brand' friendly chargers or drive thru rather than reverse park bays. Opening up their network is about installing more chargers not over utilising their existing ones (which are quite often full with a short queue in the north east), which benefits everyone, hopefully they get that Ballance right and don't inconvenience customers in the short term (including the non Tesla ones). Longer term as you get more 8+ bay 200+kw charging installs from other brands I think waiting to charge and worries about network sharing will go away, but short term there could be growing pains... Mainly for those who have to rely on the non Tesla public CCS or Chademo charging infrastructure which varies from dire to amazing.
Was this from Bournemouth to Rugby? I’m interested in the other car you took. How much battery did it take. Interestingly I can get from Eastbourne to Rugby easily in my Tesla Model 3. Those charging speeds to 80% are impressive for the Porch.
About £5 (charged at home on low overnight rates). Public charging costs more (see latest video for a 600 mile in a day trip with the Taycan which includes charging costs for that). it’s not about being cheaper than petrol (but it is)
@@RSEV Cheers, this video I commented on is my first review, it popped up on my tablet this morning, as I mentioned great review and knowing the difference in cost can and will I think encourage those to commit to the change, As for Battery Cars promoting Climate Change that’s another debate, When Monaco at present is spending over £1B extending their City INTO THE OCEAN right at this moment The climate emergency is ONE BIG SCAM ? Thanks for your early response …. Great content !
Great video as always, I’m thinking of purchasing a Tycan, I’d be interested on your opinion on what options to get, as in what would you consider necessary keeping costs to a minimum whilst having a car with all that’s necessary in your opinion. Thanks
Thanks. Always a matter of taste of course. The sound box and chrono pack I like. I don’t have any premium audio or keyless entry which is silly. I think if I were ordering new I wouldn’t worry so much about spending on £5k wheels and brakes but get interior comfort options instead. all down to preferences….
@@RSEV Thanks, and what about the performance battery pack is it worth it? I’ll be trading in a Tesla model 3 lfp and the range is more than enough for me, I seen TeslaBjorn do a range test on the standard 80kwh battery and it seems to have good range…a lot of people on the forums seem to be of the opinion that resale will be affected without the performance battery again advise will be much appreciated. Thanks
That makes absolutely no sense. Buy the car you can afford rather than some stripped out luxury car. If you want to get your money's worth from a Taycan, get what you think you need, because we all have different ideas of what is important. For example. Get the club leather, because the standard leather or what ever it is, is like sitting on the plastic Tesla calls leather. Get the 18 way seats with ventilation. Why? It will make the A/C work less hard when it's hot. Get the heat and noise insulated windows as they will both add to the range but also make the car feel more luxurious. Get the carbon ceramic brakes to save weight. Get the performance plus battery. Get heads up display. Get the PDCCS as it's a heavy car. Get the exterior sport pack to liven it up. Make sure to spec some extra leather interior bits, otherwise you'll have a ton of dull plastic everywhere. In short, you either get a Taycan that is not meant to be cheap as that's going feel cheap, o you get a Taycan that feels like what you'd expect it to feel like. If that's an issue, look at Audi E-Tron GT for example and spec that up instead. There's a reason why the Turbo S is a good value for money. Lastly, anything that adds range will tend to be a plus in resale, and so will comfort options. Few people buy these with being budget friendly in mind. Same goes for the used market.
Did (could) someone show a quick summary of results in Comments? That is FAST charging to 80! My 120kW MS is much slower. It only achieves highest (120kW) rate at
Charging speed is the key then, not battery size for 'normal' cars; if my id3 could charge at these speeds it would top a smaller battery in minutes - with a good network of charging stations huge range would be irrelevant.
But the initial range gives you a headstart a shorter range car will have trouble to close. We saw this with the 673 mile B.E.N. challenge Mustang Mach-E vs etron 55 in Germany. th-cam.com/video/M-Sqb08hiuU/w-d-xo.html
@@abraxastulammo9940 - I’m just speaking in general, not for speed; if batteries were capable of charging at this rate most people wouldn’t need to drag large heavy batteries around.
@@Petelmrg Most EV owners charge at home so they typically only need one day's range anyway. Ioniq with 28 kWh did everything right 4 years ago with its small, fast charging battery and extreme efficiency.
All we really need is for 80% to cover about 210-250 miles. No sane person drives for longer than that without a toilet/food/stretch stop. Healthy driving = 3 to 4 hour stints. Once we get to 300 mile highway range, we're sorted. Tesla is there with the S and nearly with its other cars.
300 miles is nowhere near what you need to be sorted. Sure if you're just doing highway miles. But some of us like to drive. Some of us like to avoid motorways if possible. I wish my Taycan could do 400 miles on motorway and 150 miles of spirited driving, but it can't. At least it would be tolerable if it charged in less than 10 minutes and ultra fast chargers were on all service stations. What we need is to get charging times down to less than 5 minutes. I have a car that only has a range of 150 miles if you give it a bit of stick, but at least I can stop for fuel.
@@AB-80X everything you talk about is an edge case. Yes, in your use case a gas car makes sense for now. For the millions of people in dull fake SUVs (Rav 4, CR-V, etc) a 3-4 hour highway range is plenty. I'm a driving enthusiast, I loved my old hatchback with a stick shift that can put a smile on anyone's face, but even for me 90% of the time I just had a destination cos highway driving is mundane as hell even in the best of cars.
It will not be a road trip car until the infrastructure is a lot better and these cars have twice the charge speed and battery capacity. I like my Turbo S, but it is an A to B car where you don't do anything very exciting and keep an eye on the distance.
Are your calculations wrong? From the info you stated in the video… 93Kwh battery, 100% to 0% gives 259miles. 259/93 = 2.8miles/kw You stated 3.2miles/Kw (at 8:19) Maybe I misunderstood something?
Since filming this I questioned the cars calculations as I spotted it reset itself during a drive. You’ll see me mention this in a subsequent video. BUT not all 93 are useable, probably more like 86, plus then some is used for other consumables so energy is used which is not converted to mileage completed….
@@AdrianMcDaid we’ll just agree to disagree lol. I prefer something crisp and beautiful on something crisp and beautiful. If it was some shabby sheik car you were hiding underneath I’d kinda understand..
Still doesn’t beat five minutes to put petrol in. If the manufacturers got their heads together and designed a universal battery, then a battery swap facility would be much better. Stations like this exist in China, batteries change mechanically by robots. Takes five minutes. Still not good enough for mainstream users that drive £10-15k cars.
Charge time is so impess but range is the opposite imagine filling your premium ICe car and being told 260!! I get over 500 from my 3L Diesel 260 is not really good enough in my opinion no matter how quick it can charge if you get there and there people with gen 2 electric cars needing the charger for like 2-3 hrs!!! not good for you,
Was hoping this would have been an ass whoopin race by the Tesla Plaid. Those charging speeds won't cause premature battery wear said no one. The whole problem with this test is that 1. Superfast superchargers are limited in numbers and availability . 2. No one drives 57 MPH. If you're not doing 75-80 MPH, you're getting run over.
I do like your videos, and hate to be that person, but please don't risk a needless breakdown on the motorway. I know you didn't breakdown but you were extremely close. Hundreds of people die per year broken down on motorways, including hard shoulders, and you put yourself, road users, and recovery crews at potential avoidable risk by doing this. Just some food for thought!
21mins to 80%, blimey that is fast. That wrap is simply hideous, as is the red leather interior, and either Gins can't park or that side charging port is silly.
That wrap is incredible, the interior is gorgeous and as you can see they didn't need to actually park that close in the end. And yes, 21 mins is fantastic!
Ccs is on the left wing so you have to park as far to right as possible. It’s in the video where I say you’ll need to park right over. Otherwise cable drags across wing. Annoying positioning! Incredible charging though.
The wrap looks better when you see it up close. I didn’t like it when I saw it in pictures but then when it came to the showroom it was actually quite cool.
Really need to stop talking in terms of 0-80%. times. It means less that nothing! All that matters is miles added per minute . How far does the car go for ever minute your sat at the charger! That’s what maters! with that in mind the Porsche isn’t that impressive compared to the real competitors .
Kryten, I must disagree that "the Porsche is not that Impressive" This car has a big battery of 93 kW, so that fast charging from 0 to 80 % is even more impressive. You get more miles per minute, compared to a smaller battery per minute
Can we at least agree we should ditch 0-80% times and talk about miles per min? Or miles per 20 mins of charging! If we don’t normalise cars like that then the the comparisons are just nonsense!
loved your channel mate but as with fully charged i'll have to unsubscribe. Promotion of these disgusting companies like audi/vw/porsche, after them being caught red handed trying to deceive, for a second time makes my stomach turn.
In that case you will have to unsubscribe from all channels because everyone is going electric. You should be happy these manufacturers are actually doing the right thing now. There is more there than Tesla, you know?
@@powersurge6878 I don't think Ella Kissi-Debrah's family see it quite like that. I embrace any decent manufacturers and can't work out how many times these companies need to show people that they would gladly go back to Fossil Fuels, before people stop saying in your own words 'doin the tight thing now'.
@@jolive3743 there was a misspelling there which is corrected. Suit yourself. like I said, Tesla is not the only one. If you think you’re punishing manufacturers by not watching videos with their cars then good for you 👍
@@abraxastulammo9940 they got heavily fined and punished for lying about their emissions and everyone gave them a second chance and then less than 3 weeks ago they get fined and heavily punished again for colluding to carry on poisoning you and you still love them, i am honestly lost for words.
Impressive charge speed. 0-80% in 21mins!
That is the wrong to look at charging speed. You need to look at how many miles of usable range were added in 21 minutes to compared to other cars. The Model S Plaid starting at 5% to 70% takes 23 minutes adding 213 miles of EPA range vs the Taycan starting at 0-80% in 21 minutes adding around 207 miles. Obviously the Tesla Plaid starting at 0% SOC could get the same 207 miles under 20 minutes with a 450V architecture.
Hardly. That's only 200 miles in 21 mins. My basic Model 3 SR+ adds 180miles in 25 mins on a standard supercharger. Like the 3SR+ , the Taycan is at the bottom end of acceptable and theres no Long Range version
That’s sensational 😊👍
@@sybaseguru 20 000 buyers so far this year seem to like bottom end cars
@@sybaseguru I guess the rwd Taycan is a kind of range model.
Great video, as always Richard - top content, fella...!
Loved the 10%-block charging rates table, too - like you said, incredibly impressive charging speeds... right the way through to 70%, each 10% uptake was around 2-3 minutes, with the 70% up to 80% charge stretching that ever so slightly up to 5 minutes.
But, oh my goodness, that 'last' 10% up to 90% took 14 minutes by comparison...!!
Just shows the importance of EV drivers NOT hogging a rapid charger trying to get to 100%...! ;-)
Thanks for kind words ☺️
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I love these range videos. They are fascinating. Great stuff guys. Even though the Taycan doesn't have the best range, the fact that you can charge this fast at these high power chargers means you can do long trips in it without losing too much time recharging it. I can live with that. We just need more 350KW chargers around the UK that's all. 0-80% in 21 minutes! That is simply nuts.
Taycan 4s has one of the best tested ranges:
323 miles according to www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html
Of course if you choose the big and open wheels you get less, the Tesla Plaid also has 48 miles penalty (per factory specs) with the bigger wheel option.
What is 'simply nuts' about it? Tesla's cars have been doing similar for years.. and some actually would beat this speed as far as miles gained in the time spent. A model 3 on a V3 Supercharger will gain a little more miles in little less time. I'm not saying the Taycan isn't impressive.. I'm just saying.. this isn't nuts.. it's not the best in the world.. it's very good! But.. there's a lot of comments here that seem like they don't realize this stuff already exists at a far lower price.. and with a far better charging network.
@@airheart1 True, you now get the 800V power with Ioniq 5 for half the price.
But Taycan still has the best numbers and looks better than the rest.
I mean, sustaining an average of 200+ kW 0-80 % is unheard of.
@@airheart1 Remember that Tesla has been doing this for many years before Porsche came on board. So they have experience making electric cars. Therefore faster charging performance is to be expected from them by virtue of them having done it for much longer. And if you want to be honest, the first Teslas were not really charging that fast when they were first launched. Some Tesla Model S/X are still charging at slower rates even today because their onboard equipment was not designed to cope with such a massive amount of energy so quickly. It was only when the Model 3 and the V3 Superchargers were launched that Tesla charging speed ramped up quite a bit. So give Porsche some credit. This is their very first EV that is already charging very fast. Also, remember that Teslas don't charge that fast on third party public charging stations to be fair. They only charge fast on their own dedicated Tesla Superchargers. So to know that you can simply drive up to any high power third party public charging station in a Taycan and charge this fast is quite remarkable. Nuts, in a way.
@@chillout1109 not saying in any way the Taycan is not impressive. And i guess I expect a lot from any Porsche from day 1 with their experience and heritage. I just get the impression from the preponderance of comments I read in this story, that many think this is the first car to ever charge quickly lol. And for the record, my 2017 model S charges at just shy of 200 kwh at its peak on V3 supercharger. And most European Tesla’s have both the Tesla and CCS ports and thus get the best of both worlds. Supposedly Tesla will open their chargers to all CCS capable cars by the end of the year.. we’ll see. That will be a HUGE boon for all other EVs. There is so many more of them and they are generally more reliable.
Excellent video and advert for the Taycan. It would be great if you could give information on how much it cost to charge and compare that to a petrol and diesel equivalent.Keep all the great work.
Apologies if you already know this, but a polarising filter for your GoPro can help quite a bit with eliminating reflections.
Great video. Good fun. Love those Rugby chargers. Was there on Monday.
Yes great facilities. Simple to use as they all should be and always fast.
Gives us one of only a couple locations to be able to charge Tesla and non-Tesla side by side
Next video is gonna be good!
Rich, whenever the UK gets the Plaid model S, can you redo the test as well. The charging on them is apparently much faster than the Raven Model S's
@Wooly Chewbakker yeh. However they are more efficient so the miles/min recovered during charging should be around the same if not better. At the end of the day that's what you care about on a road trip
@Wooly Chewbakker what... That statement has absolutely no logic to it.
Someone states that recovered miles per minute is the best way to measure charging speed rather than KW, which doesn't take into account efficiency and your response is 'get an ICE'
Good one. Now you can be quiet so I can discuss with someone with a semblance of logic
@Wooly Chewbakker So? We're talking EV's not ICEV's.
@Wooly Chewbakker So who cares about the Taycan charging faster then. Just buy an ICE.
Thanks for a very fair test Richard. 260 miles with the most inefficient wheels and tires. 12” wide in the rear and the Mission E wheels have the poorest aerodynamics, but look great.
Great charging session as well, thanks again for the vlog of this run. Traveling only the speed limit in a Taycan is a difficult job, I don’t think I could accomplish this test. ;-)
I just wish we would be able to see the charger display instead of the unneccessary big black text fields that fill up the screen.
We tried but there was just too much reflection to make it very worthy. We’ll do it again some day don’t worry
No, the really impressive thing is how accurately the car predicted the remaining miles!
Again, a great informative video on real world use. That charge speed is fantastic! Would have me converted if only the range was at least 300 miles in the real world and it wasn't at such a premium for EV
How far do you drive each single day? If you drive more than 250 every day, then an ICE car is much better suited for you at the moment, until batteries are more advanced to a level where they will be able to charge from 0-100 in less than 15 minutes or so. However, if you, like the majority of ordinary drivers out there, only drive less than 100 miles per day, then the 259 mile Taycan is perfectly fine. On those occasional very long trips that you take once a year, routing your trip via these 350KW chargers would make such occasional once-per-annum journeys perfectly doable. Don't get hung up on extra long range batteries and such. Very few people, if any, actually routinely drive that far without stopping for comfort and safety breaks (where you then charge). A 250 mile range car is the sweet sport, especially here in Europe where there aren't any vast swathes of uninhabited travel-able pieces of land, like in the US, where you might risk not finding a charger in the middle of nowhere.
As for the Taycan price, well, it IS a premium vehicle. It's not directed at the masses. For example, if you go berserk in the Taycan Turbo S options list, it's very easy to break through the £180,000 barrier. It's a very expensive car. But there are very good cheaper cars if you prefer that : Polestar 2, Model 3 Long Range, VW ID.3 Pro S to name a few.
True but I think range anxiety is personally my biggest worry. My commute is typically between 150 to 200 miles a day so totally doable. It's probably just those occasions where I do something else after work or head home and don't end up charging for whatever reason. Its that moment you start the car for an important day ahead and then realise you need an extra 30 mins to top up the battery somewhere. Once charging network improves I could then probably live with it. Shmee150 details his frustrations at finding available and working charge stations. I can just see that happening to me.
@@chillout1109
"An ICE car's much better suited"?
I've posted elsewhere here.
Richard ran from Edinburgh airport to Heathrow, charged for 27 minutes, and drove home.
That single charge enabled a total range *In excess* of 660 miles, based on his figures for the day..... With a buffer.
You DO NOT need more, certainly in the UK.
You do realize you could just buy a Tesla and get similar charge rates and save a bundle of money and actually have a much better charging experience in general.. right?
Real world 200 miles is plenty for the UK (so quoted 250 - 300 miles). After that you're just carrying around weight and using up resources that would be better used making batteries for more cars. 150 miles without a stop is pushing the limit for comfort and safety (realistically 3 hours for most UK routes). Start with battery at 100%, drive 150 miles until range is around 25%. Charge for 10 minutes to 75%. Drive 150 miles, charge for 10 minutes. Repeat endlessly. The missing link is charging infrastructure, not battery size or charging speed. For your 250 mile daily commute, you're not going to want to break your journey either way so you need low speed destination charging - car parks won't be able to provide enough fast chargers do you end up having to move your car during the day which is also a pain. Most people in an office carpark won't need to charge during the day, so you could equip a decent number of spaces with 2kW chargers; an 8 hour working day would give you 16kWh top up so you'd have plenty to get home.
Like I say, it's not quite there for your situation yet, but I think it's the charging rather than the cars that needs improving.
I went and checked out a Taycan XT yesterday with my son...checking he could fit in the back. Lovely seats, but the cabin didn't feel as premium as the Macan S I bought a few years ago...and it's twice the price. I love the look of the XT and the charging speed...but the packaging isn't great...my current S3 is about the same inside and a much smaller footprint. I checked out the RS3 today...top spec £65K...my 4S XT was coming in at £110K. The RS3 is going to get my money...I can't believe I'm saying this...but it looks like good value compared to the Taycan! 👍🏻😎
We only have 2 weeks of summer. What's it like in winter?
Another great video & your always give very real time reviews 👏👍
There's a lot of talk on the internet that the Taycan's range can be improved a lot with different wheels and tyres. Enough that some people are doing that when they want to go on road trips. Sounds like an expensive option given the price of Porsche wheels and tyres but it would make a great video to test out the theory!
If you have 21 inch wheels you would have to buy 20 inch winter wheels anyway because 21 inch only come in summer tyres. It will cost an extra £4500 - £5000
Cool! I acctually found this channel bu scanning the qr code on the side of a passing Tesla! :) subscribed
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This auto make very happy moment for me.
I love the wrap. Where did you get that done?
That wrap is SICK! Can we get some info about the guys who installed this wrap? Thanks
That wrap looks amazing, also the charging speed is incredible. Are those not 350kw chargers tho?
Yes but the max charging speed of the car is "only" 250kW
I believe the max charging rate is up to 270kW
Loving that wrap!!
260 miles is hardly range anxiety is it. How many people actually drive anywhere near that in one slog. If it charges to 70% in 16 minutes that's hardly any difference than fuelling a Petrol or Diesel ICE and going to the loo.
But remember....
Richard did 420 miles in the Raven, then added 4% - 57% in 27 minutes on a 130kW charger.
(With a 29+ mile buffer at the bottom?)
The new LR will be "interesting"?
and the new LR is not only cheaper than the Taycan, its also much quicker than the 4S.
@@fyoukungflu5881
There is that.....
It’s getting expensive watching your videos 😂😂😂 see you again soon
Ha ha I heard… 😂👏🤝
What gets me is the “I’d be uncomfortable traveling out of town“
Like, how often do you get in your car and drive to a completely different city? Probably not very often. But this is what I hear most regarding range anxiety.
A lot of people including myself use our cars for road trips. The Taycan can't really do this. For this reason my Taycan is a comfy A to B car.
Bigger wheels are less efficient not due to aerodynamics but mainly due to rolling resistance. Shorter sidewalls generally have higher rolling resistance than taller (softer, more compliant) sidewalls.
That very, very much depends on the design. The killer in terms of big wheels is usually the weight. And rotational mass matters a hack of a lot. It is not hard to get super low rolling resistance tyres for these wheels, so the profile is not the thing to worry about, weight is. For this reason, get ceramic brakes too.
What would the range be in the cold?
Great video, it’s just a shame no one seems to talk about how much it costs. For example, in this video, how much was it from 0 to 90%?
The 0-60 for electric cars has to be the 20% to 80% charge time. If you buy either a city car or a bus regardless of the size of the battery pack 20to80 is always going to be the most vital statistic.
I hope to buy a Taycan some day. I'd choose a 4S with the bigger battery or a Turbo. As much as I love the design of the 21" Mission E wheels, I'd pick the 20" Turbo Aero wheels instead. I think they look better and are better for range.
If you want range, get something else. Love my Turbo S, but it's an A to B car really. They are not for fun road trips with spirited driving. They are nice to drive but the range is not there for that. It's a great comfy DD that is fast, but that's it.
Great video. Missed if the car is a standard battery or performance battery installed ?
How much did that charge cost?
£24.75
Great tunes!
How much cost this car??
3:00 Aw I was just reaching for the lasers.
bjorn tested the bmw i4 it made 19.9 km on 0%
With the news of Tesla opening up the supercharger network you should test if other EV's can be reached by the cables at superchargers. It would be interesting to find out which cars would be compatible.
Yes good idea…
A good idea, but I think very very few cars. The Tesla charge port is right on the corner of the vehicle, there is enough cable slack to allow for bad parking but not for a charge port anywhere other than left rear or right front corner. Even a Honda E probably wouldn't reach without some bad parking.
In the US Tesla would need an adapter to CCS anyway, so they could make that as an extension cable or a new cable on the charger. In Europe whilst they already have a CCS plug I think they would need longer cables... Which would spoil the good design of having a short cable that doesn't tangle on the ground.
Depends how badly they want to support non Tesla vehicles (is this for sales or for govt grant money).
That is my point. I do not think many cars will be able to use them. I have seen a few cars in pictures plugged into them thinking they can use them without success.
@@BanksSF I am sure it will make for an entertaining video to see just how badly you have to park some cars to make the cable reach. This could end up with people blocking two (parking in the next bay over if your charge port is on wrong side) or three (parking parallel to charger if charge port is on the side) bays to connect up.
Most likely Tesla will start putting in some 'other brand' friendly chargers or drive thru rather than reverse park bays. Opening up their network is about installing more chargers not over utilising their existing ones (which are quite often full with a short queue in the north east), which benefits everyone, hopefully they get that Ballance right and don't inconvenience customers in the short term (including the non Tesla ones). Longer term as you get more 8+ bay 200+kw charging installs from other brands I think waiting to charge and worries about network sharing will go away, but short term there could be growing pains... Mainly for those who have to rely on the non Tesla public CCS or Chademo charging infrastructure which varies from dire to amazing.
Incredible charging speed.
I would like a wrap like this on my Model S! No more bird poo problem!😀
😜
(The wrap, not the poo!)
You'll look like a real poser with a racing wrap on a non-racing marque
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(He'll be legit once the new S does the Nordschleife!😉)
@@rogerstarkey5390 Heck, I've driven on the ring, that doesn't mean anything except that you can pay the entrance fee.
Now that you have the uPdate, you need to test to see if it really does have a longer range.
Yes… will try when I get the chance. 👍
My M3 does 400 miles on a tank and I refill in 5 minutes. I think I'll stick with it :)
Was this from Bournemouth to Rugby? I’m interested in the other car you took. How much battery did it take.
Interestingly I can get from Eastbourne to Rugby easily in my Tesla Model 3.
Those charging speeds to 80% are impressive for the Porch.
Bournemouth to Stafford to rugby.
Forthcoming video is from rugby back to Bournemouth v etron gt v Tesla SP100d
@@RSEV Nice. :) Can’t wait.
@@RSEV According to my maths, 93kwh and 263(ish) miles is about 2.83 miles per kwh, which isn’t that great.
@@SirHackaL0t. 93kwh gross. Less is useable and some is taken by other consumables.
But the trip back will show how efficiency a Tesla compares… 😙
@@RSEV Cool 😎
Great review BUT how MUCH did it cost to fully charge to compare to a normal petrol vehicle???
About £5 (charged at home on low overnight rates).
Public charging costs more (see latest video for a 600 mile in a day trip with the Taycan which includes charging costs for that).
it’s not about being cheaper than petrol (but it is)
@@RSEV Cheers, this video I commented on is my first review, it popped up on my tablet this morning, as I mentioned great review and knowing the difference in cost can and will I think encourage those to commit to the change, As for Battery Cars promoting Climate Change that’s another debate, When Monaco at present is spending over £1B extending their City INTO THE OCEAN right at this moment The climate emergency is ONE BIG SCAM ? Thanks for your early response …. Great content !
@@RSEV Running an EV is stupidly expensive here in Europe if you rely on CCS chargers.
Great video as always, I’m thinking of purchasing a Tycan, I’d be interested on your opinion on what options to get, as in what would you consider necessary keeping costs to a minimum whilst having a car with all that’s necessary in your opinion. Thanks
Thanks. Always a matter of taste of course.
The sound box and chrono pack I like.
I don’t have any premium audio or keyless entry which is silly.
I think if I were ordering new I wouldn’t worry so much about spending on £5k wheels and brakes but get interior comfort options instead. all down to preferences….
@@RSEV Thanks, and what about the performance battery pack is it worth it? I’ll be trading in a Tesla model 3 lfp and the range is more than enough for me, I seen TeslaBjorn do a range test on the standard 80kwh battery and it seems to have good range…a lot of people on the forums seem to be of the opinion that resale will be affected without the performance battery again advise will be much appreciated. Thanks
@@RSEV agree with this! My taycan i will prioritize features
That makes absolutely no sense. Buy the car you can afford rather than some stripped out luxury car. If you want to get your money's worth from a Taycan, get what you think you need, because we all have different ideas of what is important.
For example. Get the club leather, because the standard leather or what ever it is, is like sitting on the plastic Tesla calls leather. Get the 18 way seats with ventilation. Why? It will make the A/C work less hard when it's hot. Get the heat and noise insulated windows as they will both add to the range but also make the car feel more luxurious. Get the carbon ceramic brakes to save weight. Get the performance plus battery. Get heads up display. Get the PDCCS as it's a heavy car. Get the exterior sport pack to liven it up. Make sure to spec some extra leather interior bits, otherwise you'll have a ton of dull plastic everywhere.
In short, you either get a Taycan that is not meant to be cheap as that's going feel cheap, o you get a Taycan that feels like what you'd expect it to feel like. If that's an issue, look at Audi E-Tron GT for example and spec that up instead. There's a reason why the Turbo S is a good value for money. Lastly, anything that adds range will tend to be a plus in resale, and so will comfort options. Few people buy these with being budget friendly in mind. Same goes for the used market.
Great video but why is the Taycan so dirty?
It’s a wrap. Dirty Martini wrap.
Did I missed it or they didn’t managed how many miles they managed to make until they hit 0% battery?
Did (could) someone show a quick summary of results in Comments? That is FAST charging to 80! My 120kW MS is much slower. It only achieves highest (120kW) rate at
Thanks for lending carwow cars
Charging speed is the key then, not battery size for 'normal' cars; if my id3 could charge at these speeds it would top a smaller battery in minutes - with a good network of charging stations huge range would be irrelevant.
But the initial range gives you a headstart a shorter range car will have trouble to close. We saw this with the 673 mile B.E.N. challenge Mustang Mach-E vs etron 55 in Germany. th-cam.com/video/M-Sqb08hiuU/w-d-xo.html
@@abraxastulammo9940 - I’m just speaking in general, not for speed; if batteries were capable of charging at this rate most people wouldn’t need to drag large heavy batteries around.
@@Petelmrg Most EV owners charge at home so they typically only need one day's range anyway. Ioniq with 28 kWh did everything right 4 years ago with its small, fast charging battery and extreme efficiency.
All we really need is for 80% to cover about 210-250 miles. No sane person drives for longer than that without a toilet/food/stretch stop. Healthy driving = 3 to 4 hour stints. Once we get to 300 mile highway range, we're sorted. Tesla is there with the S and nearly with its other cars.
300 miles is nowhere near what you need to be sorted. Sure if you're just doing highway miles. But some of us like to drive. Some of us like to avoid motorways if possible. I wish my Taycan could do 400 miles on motorway and 150 miles of spirited driving, but it can't. At least it would be tolerable if it charged in less than 10 minutes and ultra fast chargers were on all service stations. What we need is to get charging times down to less than 5 minutes. I have a car that only has a range of 150 miles if you give it a bit of stick, but at least I can stop for fuel.
@@AB-80X everything you talk about is an edge case. Yes, in your use case a gas car makes sense for now. For the millions of people in dull fake SUVs (Rav 4, CR-V, etc) a 3-4 hour highway range is plenty. I'm a driving enthusiast, I loved my old hatchback with a stick shift that can put a smile on anyone's face, but even for me 90% of the time I just had a destination cos highway driving is mundane as hell even in the best of cars.
It will not be a road trip car until the infrastructure is a lot better and these cars have twice the charge speed and battery capacity. I like my Turbo S, but it is an A to B car where you don't do anything very exciting and keep an eye on the distance.
Are your calculations wrong?
From the info you stated in the video…
93Kwh battery, 100% to 0% gives 259miles.
259/93 = 2.8miles/kw
You stated 3.2miles/Kw (at 8:19)
Maybe I misunderstood something?
Since filming this I questioned the cars calculations as I spotted it reset itself during a drive. You’ll see me mention this in a subsequent video.
BUT not all 93 are useable, probably more like 86, plus then some is used for other consumables so energy is used which is not converted to mileage completed….
93 = gross capacity
@@RSEV Thanks for the reply.
My wife's slk200 from 1998 has same Interior colors.....lol.
Don't be lying now. That's really your car, isn't it?😀
259.2 miles. got it.
What amazing wrap.
I am amazed anyone finds that attractive on $150k car lol.. it looks like it belongs on some crappy tuner car with a oil can for an exhaust
@@airheart1 great looking gritty wrap.
@@AdrianMcDaid we’ll just agree to disagree lol. I prefer something crisp and beautiful on something crisp and beautiful. If it was some shabby sheik car you were hiding underneath I’d kinda understand..
60kW Charger is available in India.. I think soon India will have high wattage charger🥰
Hilton park northbound to rugby.......
Bournemouth to Hilton park to Stafford to rugby 👍
Still doesn’t beat five minutes to put petrol in. If the manufacturers got their heads together and designed a universal battery, then a battery swap facility would be much better. Stations like this exist in China, batteries change mechanically by robots. Takes five minutes. Still not good enough for mainstream users that drive £10-15k cars.
Charge time is so impess but range is the opposite imagine filling your premium ICe car and being told 260!! I get over 500 from my 3L Diesel 260 is not really good enough in my opinion no matter how quick it can charge if you get there and there people with gen 2 electric cars needing the charger for like 2-3 hrs!!! not good for you,
Was hoping this would have been an ass whoopin race by the Tesla Plaid.
Those charging speeds won't cause premature battery wear said no one. The whole problem with this test is that 1. Superfast superchargers are limited in numbers and availability . 2. No one drives 57 MPH. If you're not doing 75-80 MPH, you're getting run over.
Very impressive charging speeds! Can Tesla's only charge at 250Kw?
only for a few minutes at optimum conditions!
I do like your videos, and hate to be that person, but please don't risk a needless breakdown on the motorway. I know you didn't breakdown but you were extremely close. Hundreds of people die per year broken down on motorways, including hard shoulders, and you put yourself, road users, and recovery crews at potential avoidable risk by doing this. Just some food for thought!
21mins to 80%, blimey that is fast. That wrap is simply hideous, as is the red leather interior, and either Gins can't park or that side charging port is silly.
That wrap is incredible, the interior is gorgeous and as you can see they didn't need to actually park that close in the end. And yes, 21 mins is fantastic!
Ccs is on the left wing so you have to park as far to right as possible. It’s in the video where I say you’ll need to park right over. Otherwise cable drags across wing. Annoying positioning!
Incredible charging though.
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There are already "complaints" that when Tesla open the network "the cable won't reach" on some brands. 🙄
That'll be backwards then?
The wrap looks better when you see it up close. I didn’t like it when I saw it in pictures but then when it came to the showroom it was actually quite cool.
Agreed with the wrap and interior. Not classy at all and the red is garish.
didn’t tell you how much that cost 79p kw charge
Tesla still the best
A good lesson on how to damage your battery...
Porsche is working with Varta to implement their 10C charging cell into a product, this means 6 min charging due to ultra low resistance.
Really need to stop talking in terms of 0-80%. times. It means less that nothing! All that matters is miles added per minute . How far does the car go for ever minute your sat at the charger! That’s what maters! with that in mind the Porsche isn’t that impressive compared to the real competitors .
Well that can be easily worked out from this. 200 miles in 20 minutes
Kryten, I must disagree that "the Porsche is not that Impressive" This car has a big battery of 93 kW, so that fast charging from 0 to 80 % is even more impressive. You get more miles per minute, compared to a smaller battery per minute
Can we at least agree we should ditch 0-80% times and talk about miles per min? Or miles per 20 mins of charging! If we don’t normalise cars like that then the the comparisons are just nonsense!
People understand how many miles the get from half, 3/4 tank. So knowing how long it takes to get there is more important.
@@RSEV
Same as the MS Raven on a 130kW?
(I saw a really good tester do that!)
loved your channel mate but as with fully charged i'll have to unsubscribe. Promotion of these disgusting companies like audi/vw/porsche, after them being caught red handed trying to deceive, for a second time makes my stomach turn.
In that case you will have to unsubscribe from all channels because everyone is going electric. You should be happy these manufacturers are actually doing the right thing now. There is more there than Tesla, you know?
@@powersurge6878 I don't think Ella Kissi-Debrah's family see it quite like that.
I embrace any decent manufacturers and can't work out how many times these companies need to show people that they would gladly go back to Fossil Fuels, before people stop saying in your own words 'doin the tight thing now'.
@@jolive3743 there was a misspelling there which is corrected. Suit yourself. like I said, Tesla is not the only one. If you think you’re punishing manufacturers by not watching videos with their cars then good for you 👍
You are a hater of them producing electric cars? Wow, this is twisted.
@@abraxastulammo9940 they got heavily fined and punished for lying about their emissions and everyone gave them a second chance and then less than 3 weeks ago they get fined and heavily punished again for colluding to carry on poisoning you and you still love them, i am honestly lost for words.