LIKE if you want to watch more real-life driving. SHARE if you'd like to tell your friends & family about Fully Charged. What happens when German engineering meets British weather? Robert range tests the Taycan Turbo. It's a Porsche so it's pretty incredible, but does the battery meet expectations? Fully Charged is 100% independent thanks to TH-cam Memberships and Patreons. Without you this channel wouldn’t be possible! If you’d like to help support the Fully Charged channel and its mission: Become a Patreon: www.patreon.com/fullychargedshow Become a TH-cam member: use JOIN button above Subscribe to Fully Charged & the Fully Charged PLUS channels Buy the Fully Charged Guide to Electric Vehicles & Clean Energy : buff.ly/2GybGt0 Browse the Fully Charged store: shop.fullycharged.show/ Visit our LIVE exhibitions in the UK, USA & Europe: FullyCharged.Show/events Subscribe for episode alerts and the Fully Charged newsletter: fullycharged.show/zap-sign-up/ Visit: FullyCharged.Show Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/fullychargedshow Timestamps: 0:00 German engineering v British weather 0:47 The Trip 2:44 How much? 3:10 The Range 4:12 Quality Throughout 4:49 Regenerative Braking 8:02 Charging with 35 EVs for Chargegasm episode 10:00 Bladder Anxiety 10:27 Faster & Faster Charging 11:58 Porsche pushed by Tesla 14:25 Journey's End 15:42 Bobby made a Boo-Boo 16:00 Subscribe & Support Us #CleanEnergy #ElectricCars #ElectricVehicles #ElectricForecourt #ElectricCharging #RenewableEnergy #CleanEnergy #Solar #Wind #Batteries
Why do some Brits insist on incorrectly pronouncing the Porsche name? It's pronounced por-sha not porsh. As a Porsche enthusiast it makes me cringe everytime it's mispronounced. I doubt I'm alone in this as I've heard the same complaint from my club friends.
EU emissions regs forced them to do this. If they wanted to beat a tesla they already had the 911 turbo s. It beats the taycan and will wipe the floor with a tesla.
It's funny you say Porsche has never built electric cars before, but Ferdinand Porsche built the world's first electric car over 100 years ago and built hybrid diesel-electric tanks in WW2, he was fascinated by electric power so have the Taycan is just coming full circle and I think he would have loved what they have done and are continuing to do with electric vehicles.
What Robert so sensibly points out is... under normal circumstances. nobody buys any car based on a single feature. In this case, you buy a Porsche for it's road behaviour, not it's fuel consumption or range. I see no criticism of Tesla in this, or a criticism of any other electric car. Those who talk of "Tesla killers" seem to miss this major fact of vehicle purchasing. The sooner discussion of electric cars gets away from people trying their hardest to tear down the whole idea of an electric car, and Tesla in particular, the sooner we might all be able to be able to allow them to be very much a small facet in the background of our lives.
That is what I call dedication. Driving the Porsche Taycan in the pouring rain so that you can charge it up! Robert clearly hated every moment of it. Robert used to be a petrol head, now he is an electron head! Thanks a lot, a video from Robert always makes the day better.
4ndrossi yea in the UK! The only one in America is Tesla Chargers and high speed charging rapid chargers for non-Tesla cars (CCS) are few a far between in Northern half of our country!
anyone here knows how to convert charging rate from miles per hour to kw per hour. I cannot figure out how fast my car is charging. My car was charging at 297 miles per hour. How many kws per hour is that?
I have suffered this many a time over the years and its definitely worse than range anxiety. Especially if you are in someone else's car and you are trying to persuade them to stop.
This is a serious topic. Most of the charging infrastructure has no “bio” facilities. After driving for an hour or two and then parking to charge for an hour.....🥴 Still find the term bladder anxiety funny though 😂
The house price comment might branch out into a whole other subject :) house prices were normal in the mid 90s, they are now 3-4 times the price of normal.
Houses are a lot more than 3X the cost, even if interest payments made up the majority of repayments. Salaries were lot higher as a percentage too. The only way you can buy a house now is with a large deposit. It's been said many times before, not only can renters afford to buy, repair, maintain, insurance and heat a home, we are doing all of those things. We just don't get to keep the house at the end because we didn't have a large deposit. My parent's houses have gone up 10X in 10 years. Twice. Google is your friend. Interest rates being 3X higher does not mean that the repayment is three times higher. And houses are 7X more expensive, which does make a significant difference to repayments. Ok boomer?
Higher interest rate argument makes me laugh. When I explain to someone who was on £5,000 as a starting salary and bought a £6,000 house he gave me the 17% interest rate argument. When you eventually get the chance to explain to them that average salary is now £26,000 and average house price around me is £350,000 they then understand. Rent in my area costs more than mortgage repayments would on the same value house. Only difference is getting the £30,000 deposit which is 5 x more than the value of his house!
@@logicalChimp The connectors on smartphones are also hopeless for current carrying capacity. USB C attempts to get around it with higher voltages but the contact size is ridiculously small.
I was lucky enough to have a Taycan 4S (93kwh pack) for a couple of days recently. Our company was using it to validate some high powered charging stations in upstate NY. I drove 700 miles in under 24 hours in that car, and it was completely effortless. The fast charging stations in NY and the Electrify America network made it so easy to do. The Taycan was spectacularly comfortable and competent. It also has the best "Guess O Meter" of any EV I have driven, which made the journey that much easier.
Yeh, this was a major ommission. It was kind of one of the main points of the video. Bjorn Nyland showed it charging at around 250kw but I wanted to see what Gridserve would deliver. I suspect it wasn't that high and they didn't want to make Gridserve look bad.
@@user-jt1jv8vl9r Agree. I can´t be bothered to drive from Wembley to Brighton. Much more convenient to fly. Especially if you don´t take in account the trip to/from the airport and the time spent for traveling in addition to check in/boarding/disembarking.
People who don't own EVs often focus on how long it takes to FULLY charge from empty to full which is a terrible way to look at charging on road trips. You won't do it that way once you own one. It's a known fact that all EVs charge much faster from 0-50% than they do from 50-100%. The key is to stop more frequently for shorter durations approaching 0% charge rate. Most people factor to arrive at the next charger w/ around 10% left (those who are brave go below that) and then charging only enough to get to the next stop. If you do it this way, with the newer charge technology, you can expect stops less than 10-15 minutes which will get you another hour or two down the road. After a short period you find that this is a FAR better way to travel on long journeys. Far more enjoyable, relaxing and you get to enjoy more of our great country. Also, everything I just described will make up less than 5% of your total time driving it. The other 95%+ will just be plugging in at night when you get home and always leaving on a "full tank" w/o ever having to worry about getting gas again. You'll quickly realize how stupid it is to HAVE to go out of your way once or twice a week to stand outside in the rain pumping gas. What a stupid way to go through life. While it's not perfect it's FAR better than ICE for passenger vehicles for 99% of people out there. Sadly, most of them have no idea that EV would not only work fantastically for them but would improve their day-to-day life in noticeable way... environmental debates aside. They're just better cars in every imaginable way. I'm sure the transition is similar to that of going from horseback riding as a necessity to get from point A to point B to cars the first time around. It really is that much different and makes ICE cars seem so antiquated in power, noise, smell.... just like a horse.
As far as reviewing cars especially electric cars goes, this channel is one of a kind and brings it to the next level in my opinion. Thank you very much for your content and have a great christmas time.
Very good video I am from Montreal, Canada. I am sooo impressed (and jalous) about the charging station shown toward the end of the video. Big, roomy, shelters, restaurant. Wow, I hope we get something like this here!!
Well done Robert. Another enthusiastic well informed report. Sensible comments with the appropriate amount of excitement. Mind you I would be excited just to sit in one of those examples of automotive fine art.
i would not use but dont think they should be advertising them. I dont think any of these coffee places are NOT worth it. far too expensive for a few coffee beans.
Really a great show your team has put together. The production values have exponentially gotten better in every facet. I especially enjoyed the music. Keep up the great work!
Probably drove in eco mode. EPA tested lower because they use the default settings and I bet Robert did not use any special settings either. You have to drive in gentle or eco, whatever it is called, that uses only the weaker motor instead of two motors, in order to get the reasonable range out of the Taycan. Otherwise the EPA ranges for city and highway are accurate.
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 EPA ranges are jokes. Tesla never achieved their "wow" range while most of VW Group cars beat their EPA range by 10 - 20%. WLTP range are more accurate..
I know it falls short of a Tesla Model S on the range and infrastructure point right now but honestly there is not a world where I choose a Tesla over a Taycan. It’s a delightful car that is super important at convincing die hard petrol heads that EVs can indeed be fun. Just think what the cheaper RWD models will be like or the even faster GT line! Also do you really want to bet against VW catching up on infrastructure. I’d bet they are on parity with Tesla sooner than you think
Brilliant video. This subject could be so dull but in the hands of Robert it becomes funny, informative, and engaging. Looking forward to more of these and more house price, car price comparisons.
Great video. Both informative as well as entertaining to watch. I have a Taycan Cross Turismo since 4 months and absolutely love it. Fantastic car to drive and charging on Electrify America works well for road trips. As a daily I charge it in my garage 2-3 times per week over night.
test drove a Polestar 2 recently. Planned a journey to Switzerland (from Surrey), where I drive quite often to see my sister, and the journey was 7 hours longer because of charging breaks. I will keep my 530bhp twin-turbo V8, thanks!
Dream car. I sold my boxster S for my e-golf. The e-golf can outrun and out handle my boxster with 16” bobbley tyres! I do miss the open top car and the roar it made though. The way it gulped down fuel, not so much. The e-golf off the mark is just astonishing and into a roundabout at a tight lick is nifty. If there is an ID.R that comes out, now that would be something. The golf chassis is so good.
Great work, such a well put together episode. Love the futuristic music. 45 kWh/100 mi ~ 2.2 mi/kWh which is appalling for a city car, but irrelevant for a performance vehicle for the disgustingly rich. Also, another great car producing no toxic fumes or ear blowing exhaust sound to cause nuisance in cities 🥳.
It feels like from the start Robert wants to showcase the charge rate and drives all this way only to find out it's not that great and decides not to say it as not to put the Porsche too much in a bad light. Though I do like the Porsche as it has a couple of things really going for it, but I think being open is important as some people might get a surprise if they purchase one and it is not to their expectations. I also understand that peak charge rate doesn't say much in how much time it takes to charge, so best would be to show the charge rate graph over SoC/time.
@@MrBra1nDeaD I agree with you. The car may support 150kWh+ charging but from my experience the peak charging rate is only achieved for a small time. Certainly above 80% the charging speed will drop significantly
Well, @14:48 the display has that charger has delivered 1.221 kW in 0:55 minutes (55 seconds). This equates to a charging rate of ~241.76 kW; not too shabby...
@@returner323617 Hmm, do you mean 1.221 kWh? (Notice the "h"). I don't think that's quite right as 241.67 kW in 55 second would give you 3.69 kWh. So I think you've missed something in your calculation.
I got the chance to drive the Turbo S and it is super fast! it is faster then the fastest Tesla (this in the video is not). Well and finally it’s a Porsche .. nothing beats Porsche in build quality - especially not a Tesla 😅
@@MrStian78 There are so aspects of its history they could have drawn on without using a word that has absolutely nothing to do with electric drive-trains.
You're not stupid your an ultimate human entertainment machine, even gives us health facts every time I go on a long journey now I'm going to think of my bladder👍🤣
As always a wonderful video. The most astonishing statement however was the bit about the car being twice as expensive as his house. Ooohhhh how I wish that was still the case 😂
Thank you for another wonderful video. To be frank the content doesn't really matter (though the content _is_ excellent in it's own right) I just really enjoy your presentation style, you could go on about a brown paper bag and that would be all right with me :-)
Enjoyed your review. I get 280 miles range routinely with mine. And actually, there was just a video posted with the Turbo S racing the fastest Tesla and it beat it by a good bit.
I enjoyed your report on the Taycan - thank you. Such vehicles will devolve into vehicles for "the masses". I would like to see your uncle who says "Mhya Mhya Ya", he sounds really interesting.
Great video as always. El-cars are so much more interesting than ex-cars. Looking forward to the day you in addition convert to the modern units of measurement 👍
Good story, homey and fun. Robert, you have a way with words. Do I want a Porsche, prolly not due to the fact that I'm older than you and it's a chore crawling down into my wife's XJ6. So something a bit more upright and off-roady (I do go off road now and then), but with the same level of detail, fit & finish would be nice. Also love the no huge center screen. Proper cockpit there :-)
Terrific piece from the fully charged show, the original and best. Taycan Turbo has to be the best looking EV yet, although hard to see how one would ever actually call upon those massive disc brakes given the regen capacity at each of the four wheels. Perhaps on a track!
Can you have imagined when you started this channel you would be charging a Porsche at 350kw at a purpose built charging station. It feels like we have finally arrived at the beginning of the end of combustion engine vehicles to me.
Not mistaking that Porsche is where they are with this car because of Tesla, Porsche has always been a real drivers car, Tesla is more a mass market (but still too expensive) offering. Excellent video, as per usual, keep them coming
There have been a lot of gripes about the station range number but it seems to be an underestimation, German car manufacturers tend to lowball their official numbers for some reason. Lots of people get much more than the stated range number in the tycan
OK this episode is a watershed moment in UK EV life for me. Its not a Tesla, Its not a golf cart, there is superb charging, It all works, its positively cool because its Robert Lewellen and the credibility level is off the scale. Congratulations to Fully Charged, Porsche and Gridserve. I have to wave the Tesla flag since owning P85 Model S from 2014 and 100,000 UK miles, Tesla your mission is officially working. How long have I waited for this moment, Id say 20 years! From the early days of the Electric Symposium meetings to test drive in a P85..........The frustrating thing is EVs are just plain better, unstoppable momentum here guys.....at last!
Alas, Bobby had to drive across the country to Essex because that's the only GridServe (so far) in the country. Definitely a positive sign, but I'd hold back on the celebrations until they've got a half-decent network of stations covering most of the UK, etc :D (I don't think Bobby went back to the point about the Superchargers at Membury, but iirc there's only a dismal pair of 50Kw chargers for non-Teslas there, as with most UK motorway stations, and a depressingly high chance they're not actually functioning)
@@logicalChimp you don't need to convince me I also ride a Zero SRF electric motorbike which is genius with everything cranked up 100%........oh 80 miles down to 5% and the public charger is Kaput...again! The Zero just needs the public chargers to be working basicly 90 miles range max, its great for a quick blast and back home. Im not up for the logistics of charging at 60 miles on plan A only to panic about plan B and panic panic plan C. I see GridServe as the answer and hopefully when they roll out a few more they will raise the bar, the only down side no more free leccy off Ecotricity pumps!
Wait a mo. As a pukka old-school petrol-head I've got a niggling negative observation to make about EVs in general and this Porsche Trashcan in particular. I drove rally cars in the Group-B era - only as an amateur, but I prepared cars, twice drove support vehicles for privateers in the Safari (and finished both times) and did a lot of club rallying in England. So I know whereof I speak when I ask, "Whither Colin Chapman and his philosophy of 'Simplify and add lightness'?" This car weighs 2,880 kilos. Say it slowly. Savour those syllables. It's insane. It's a Porsche, not a brick-built porch. Robert says it costs more than he paid for his house, but I bet it weighs almost as much, too. This car is telling people that being packed with lardy extras is somehow necessary and desirable. Plenty of power, yep, but it sets a bad example of what performance [sic] EVs could and should be about. Discarding an old, heavy, noisy, messy, complicated, inefficient, high-maintenance internal combustion engine and transmission in favour of battery power should be a good thing, but look at the cost in terms of renewables and energy efficiency. It's absurd. It's replacing the Merkin dream of chrome, an iron chassis built out of RSJs, a big block V8 and 'automatic everything' with a mountain of high tech bloatware. And automatic everything. So much for progress. This car - like all EVs - would be a great deal more impressive if it weighed 50% less. Imagine the mileage. I don't mean build it flimsy to give it artificially cool range figures (mentioning no names, hem hem), I mean don't load your cars with a ton of smart tech and energy-hungry goodies. That should be seen as a BAD thing. I'm reminded of US manufacturers falling over themselves to produce bigger and bigger cars with gigantic engines and stupid kerbweights because consuming less and taking up less space on the road and in the world was seen as un-Constitutional and Communist and evil and cowardly and wrong. Well, conspicuous consumption is back, and it's lithium powered. Viva Canyonero. Making it electric doesn't make it good. Are EVs destined to become tomorrow's moronic muscle cars? Colin Chapman might be impressed by the technology, but I think he'd be appalled by its application.
Robert, my first introduction to electrification was a fabulous and highly educational video about Mate Rimac, the Croatian engineer. It’s my understanding that Porsche have bought a stake in his company, which is a technology company.
I have an S but I have to say the Taycan is incredible and a totally different vehicle. Congrats Porsche! Stirling achievement! Did anyone spot what max kW Rob got?
2:10 My Taycan takes currently less than 29 kWh/100 miles in 80% city and 20% city highway driving with average 16°C temperature driving slightly faster then the rest of the traffic - no hypermiling!
Only 81.4KW/h. A long way short of 350! The first and last 20% do tend to charge at a slower rate, plus the battery would be hot from the long journey so the charge rate is reduced to protect the battery. Plus it is limited by local demand. Go back on a quiet day after a short journey and you might see closer to 350. At 14:49 you see he charged 1.221Kw in 54 seconds. (1.221/54)*3600 = 81.4KW/h
Robert, can you feed back on the Ionity upping the price on chargers to be almost the same as filling up with unleaded. i am interested to understand the tariffs involved when charging a non tesla on a longer journey. great vid, love the channel and i am a petrol head 😀
14:00 Just a note. The Taycan's battery really is significantly smaller than a Model S P100. The Taycan only has 83.7 kWh usable, which is more than 16 kWh less than the Tesla.
Great video. Just a couple of comments though The battery pack in the Taycan has (like you also stated) a net capacity of about 83kWh, even if it has about 10 more full, you cannot charge it full. However Tesla doesn't do it like that, they allow you to utilize much more of it. And the pack you find in the P100DL (and the now Performance), and the Long range (Model S and X) for that matter, has about 98kWh net capacity. That is a lot more, that's 15kWh more capacity you can actually charge. So the big range difference is mostly due to that. And that's a big and important factor. Because the Porsche can be charged to 100% every singe day if you want to. While you can do that in the equivalent Teslas, it's not recommended, you will damage the battery pack doing so. And you're left with charging to something like 80% which gives you just about the same range as the Taycan. Now, when you're going on a long trip, you would of course charge the Tesla to 100%, and get the full range. And then it will obviously have an advantage over the Porsche. The secondary reason the Porsche have a bit less range is those massive tires. The car you tested had 305mm rear tires, and 265mm front tires. Equivalent Model S would have 245mm front tires and 265mm rear tires. And that makes a big difference for an electric car. The Porsche is more aerodynamic but those tires bite it in the ass, in terms of range. And you get even more ass biting when you have to drive on a wet road like you did. I think you found the perfect day to show it's lowest range potential. On a warm summer day, you'll get 300 miles easily. So for every day use, the range will not be a big difference. It's only when you have to go far you will get into a bigger difference. And then it's down to charging speed. And if you're going 300 miles, you need to charge both cars, and then you will use less time with the Porsche. Even if you're going to go twice that, you'll still use less time with the Porsche. Unless you get into a queue, or no chargers available and you need to do a detour. But more and more chargers will pop up in the future, and that should not be an issue. The fastest range car will still be a Model 3 Long Range. With it's 250kWh charging potential, Tesla super charger network, and low consumption. ! And for reference I drive a Model S 100D at the moment, and I have a Taycan Turbo in delivery. I had a Model S P85+ before. And I have tested the Model S Performance (latest model) and the Model 3 Performance. That should be all the cars I've talked about !
Regarding to 11:59 In 1899 an electric vehicle was built, which Porsche presented as “Semper Vivus” (“Always alive” or “Always alive”) at the Paris World Exhibition in 1900. The car known today as the “Lohner-Porsche” was registered with the Austrian Patent Office under the number 19645. A “drive steering wheel with electric motor” was registered in the patent specification. It had a precise form of drive for the front wheels that was free of any effects on the steering. This was only possible a few decades later for vehicles with internal combustion engines. The vehicle had a top speed of around 50 km / h and a range of 50 km with the 410 kg lead-acid battery. *Source: Wikipedia
great video! Thanks for keeping us all so up to date on the world of electricity. Is it possible to quote the consumption in future car videos in the number of miles travelled per kWh as well please? Our Hyundai Kona uses that consumption metric and it makes sense now, and I end up converting every consumption figure to that!
@ bigger boot, 5 seats rather than 4 and better infotainment I hear from an own of both cars. But I would expect the Porsche to handle better than family saloon. As for build quality I think the jury is out as I've heard a number of owners say their cars have had a string of problems. But then my Tesla has had some niggles too. With a bit of spirited driving
I'd argue that this is perfect weather for test driving a new EV. Any fool can get fairly good results on a fine sunny day but the likes of a typical soggy good ol' Blighty day is much better for giving a more accurate idea of a car's performance. Fantastic review Robert. 👌
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0:47 The Trip
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3:10 The Range
4:12 Quality Throughout
4:49 Regenerative Braking
8:02 Charging with 35 EVs for Chargegasm episode
10:00 Bladder Anxiety
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Great show again! Go on like this, well done, loved it !
How fast was the charging in the end?
This! ^^^
Why do some Brits insist on incorrectly pronouncing the Porsche name? It's pronounced por-sha not porsh. As a Porsche enthusiast it makes me cringe everytime it's mispronounced. I doubt I'm alone in this as I've heard the same complaint from my club friends.
EU emissions regs forced them to do this. If they wanted to beat a tesla they already had the 911 turbo s. It beats the taycan and will wipe the floor with a tesla.
Only found this channel last month. Absolutely Fantastic.
Willkommen im Klub =)
Welcome. It's been fantastic for long time :)
Thanks.
Lucky you! A whole catalogue of great episodes stretching back for years.
Thanks to Bobby, I'm on my 3rd EV.... Zoe, Leaf and 3
It's funny you say Porsche has never built electric cars before, but Ferdinand Porsche built the world's first electric car over 100 years ago and built hybrid diesel-electric tanks in WW2, he was fascinated by electric power so have the Taycan is just coming full circle and I think he would have loved what they have done and are continuing to do with electric vehicles.
What Robert so sensibly points out is... under normal circumstances. nobody buys any car based on a single feature. In this case, you buy a Porsche for it's road behaviour, not it's fuel consumption or range.
I see no criticism of Tesla in this, or a criticism of any other electric car. Those who talk of "Tesla killers" seem to miss this major fact of vehicle purchasing. The sooner discussion of electric cars gets away from people trying their hardest to tear down the whole idea of an electric car, and Tesla in particular, the sooner we might all be able to be able to allow them to be very much a small facet in the background of our lives.
That is what I call dedication. Driving the Porsche Taycan in the pouring rain so that you can charge it up! Robert clearly hated every moment of it. Robert used to be a petrol head, now he is an electron head! Thanks a lot, a video from Robert always makes the day better.
15:29 The charging station, Gridserve, looks like an absolute electric car nerd fest - I can’t wait to find a reason to visit.
I can only say it's amazing. 2 minutes from me and been there so far 3 times :)
Electric nerd rest - Why do you think Robert used the Taycan as a reason to visit? 😉😅
4ndrossi yea in the UK! The only one in America is Tesla Chargers and high speed charging rapid chargers for non-Tesla cars (CCS) are few a far between in Northern half of our country!
@@terryrodbourn2793 The one advantage in shoving 64 million people into an island smaller than the state of Kansas
anyone here knows how to convert charging rate from miles per hour to kw per hour. I cannot figure out how fast my car is charging.
My car was charging at 297 miles per hour. How many kws per hour is that?
'Bladder anxiety' is my new favourite phrase.
I have suffered this many a time over the years and its definitely worse than range anxiety. Especially if you are in someone else's car and you are trying to persuade them to stop.
This is a serious topic. Most of the charging infrastructure has no “bio” facilities. After driving for an hour or two and then parking to charge for an hour.....🥴 Still find the term bladder anxiety funny though 😂
The house price comment might branch out into a whole other subject :) house prices were normal in the mid 90s, they are now 3-4 times the price of normal.
*cries in London*
*cries in millenial*
@@GilesWendes cries the boomer. I need immigration to prop up my house price for my cruise ship retirement
Interest rates were also 3-4x as much, so monthly repayments weren't much different.
Houses are a lot more than 3X the cost, even if interest payments made up the majority of repayments. Salaries were lot higher as a percentage too. The only way you can buy a house now is with a large deposit.
It's been said many times before, not only can renters afford to buy, repair, maintain, insurance and heat a home, we are doing all of those things. We just don't get to keep the house at the end because we didn't have a large deposit.
My parent's houses have gone up 10X in 10 years. Twice.
Google is your friend. Interest rates being 3X higher does not mean that the repayment is three times higher. And houses are 7X more expensive, which does make a significant difference to repayments.
Ok boomer?
Higher interest rate argument makes me laugh.
When I explain to someone who was on £5,000 as a starting salary and bought a £6,000 house he gave me the 17% interest rate argument.
When you eventually get the chance to explain to them that average salary is now £26,000 and average house price around me is £350,000 they then understand.
Rent in my area costs more than mortgage repayments would on the same value house. Only difference is getting the £30,000 deposit which is 5 x more than the value of his house!
Crazy to think there are electric cars with impressive range that charge faster than most smartphones.
Yus - but (most) EVs have active cooling for the battery whilst charging, unlike smartphones etc.
@@logicalChimp The connectors on smartphones are also hopeless for current carrying capacity. USB C attempts to get around it with higher voltages but the contact size is ridiculously small.
Charge your phone in 1 microsecond.. Just before it explodes!
@@anthonyarcher7268 Compared to a petrol or diesel no but its twice as far as the electric van I drive at work.
I was lucky enough to have a Taycan 4S (93kwh pack) for a couple of days recently. Our company was using it to validate some high powered charging stations in upstate NY. I drove 700 miles in under 24 hours in that car, and it was completely effortless. The fast charging stations in NY and the Electrify America network made it so easy to do. The Taycan was spectacularly comfortable and competent. It also has the best "Guess O Meter" of any EV I have driven, which made the journey that much easier.
Finally, a reason to go to Essex.
What a beautiful car!
I don't y,but I love this car, like crazy, the technology is out of the box
How fast was the charging in the end - to 80% and 100%? How many KW were you getting???
I was hoping to hear about this also. Look forward to the day when 350Kwh is the standard for all cars.
You can find answer for that on TH-cam. There is videos. Bjorn Nyland channel.
Yeh, this was a major ommission. It was kind of one of the main points of the video. Bjorn Nyland showed it charging at around 250kw but I wanted to see what Gridserve would deliver. I suspect it wasn't that high and they didn't want to make Gridserve look bad.
@@ivand911 Bjorn Nyland's video won't tell us what Gridserve will deliver when the forecourt is full though.
Yeah... I was expecting this data to be divulged too.
Uncle Knobhead won’t ever listen to anything that isn’t powered by liquid dinosaurs!
The good thing about electric cars is that you don't HAVE to listen to them.
That and max torque at 0rpm.
Can it beat a train though....!! London - Glasgow..?
Uncle Knobhead loves Brexit and diesel.
@@delboy7039 I'd rather fly. Convenient and cheap. Went from London STN to Edinburgh for £30 return. By train cost me £110.
@@user-jt1jv8vl9r Agree. I can´t be bothered to drive from Wembley to Brighton. Much more convenient to fly.
Especially if you don´t take in account the trip to/from the airport and the time spent for traveling in addition to check in/boarding/disembarking.
and it was charging at what rate?!?! Wasn’t that the point?! 🤷♂️
The actual value was, obviously not that impressive.
No, that was the excuse
I wanted to know that as well.
That ending bit sounded epic in stereo
From your early days in the model x with the cat you have really nailed this channel, thanks Robert.
People who don't own EVs often focus on how long it takes to FULLY charge from empty to full which is a terrible way to look at charging on road trips.
You won't do it that way once you own one. It's a known fact that all EVs charge much faster from 0-50% than they do from 50-100%. The key is to stop more frequently for shorter durations approaching 0% charge rate. Most people factor to arrive at the next charger w/ around 10% left (those who are brave go below that) and then charging only enough to get to the next stop. If you do it this way, with the newer charge technology, you can expect stops less than 10-15 minutes which will get you another hour or two down the road. After a short period you find that this is a FAR better way to travel on long journeys. Far more enjoyable, relaxing and you get to enjoy more of our great country.
Also, everything I just described will make up less than 5% of your total time driving it. The other 95%+ will just be plugging in at night when you get home and always leaving on a "full tank" w/o ever having to worry about getting gas again. You'll quickly realize how stupid it is to HAVE to go out of your way once or twice a week to stand outside in the rain pumping gas. What a stupid way to go through life.
While it's not perfect it's FAR better than ICE for passenger vehicles for 99% of people out there. Sadly, most of them have no idea that EV would not only work fantastically for them but would improve their day-to-day life in noticeable way... environmental debates aside. They're just better cars in every imaginable way. I'm sure the transition is similar to that of going from horseback riding as a necessity to get from point A to point B to cars the first time around. It really is that much different and makes ICE cars seem so antiquated in power, noise, smell.... just like a horse.
As far as reviewing cars especially electric cars goes, this channel is one of a kind and brings it to the next level in my opinion. Thank you very much for your content and have a great christmas time.
I support only two makers on Patreon. One is an eclectic but highly skilled woodworker, and the other is this show. That's it.
Love the car, 350kw charging is a game changer.
The 350 KW charging is bad for battery health though
@@lukeotter898 not according to Porsche.
@@MrStian78 it is because Porsche limit the 350kw down so owners can’t use it because it’s poor for the battery 🔋
@@lukeotter898 well, I have the warranty and I’m not keeping my Taycan longer than 2 years 😊
@@MrStian78 fair enough, they have limited your rate. Looking at a plaid s I guess 😂
Very good video
I am from Montreal, Canada. I am sooo impressed (and jalous) about the charging station shown toward the end of the video. Big, roomy, shelters, restaurant. Wow, I hope we get something like this here!!
1:27 "Im not going wax lyrical about this car" & then then he starts
Well done Robert. Another enthusiastic well informed report. Sensible comments with the appropriate amount of excitement. Mind you I would be excited just to sit in one of those examples of automotive fine art.
You are awesome man, i like watching ur vids.
Cheers from Libya the middle east.
Libya isn’t in the middle east
@@malekalkshaik7243 maybe
I still don’t understand all this obsession with Starbucks... when there are so many other coffee makers way better than that! 😕 good video! 😉
i would not use but dont think they should be advertising them. I dont think any of these coffee places are NOT worth it. far too expensive for a few coffee beans.
Hence why they shut down so many stores znd now sell their product in capsukes through supermarkets.
Really a great show your team has put together. The production values have exponentially gotten better in every facet. I especially enjoyed the music. Keep up the great work!
Raining in December. Shocker!
NO get it right raining in the UK throughout the whole year shocking.
Bjorn Nyland got nearly 580 kms at 90 kph cruise from the big battery Taycan 4S. Only bested by a Model S, I think. On a bigger battery.
I think it did have smaller wheels fitted, though.
4s with big battery is the best of the lot I reckon. Good combo of everything.
Probably drove in eco mode. EPA tested lower because they use the default settings and I bet Robert did not use any special settings either. You have to drive in gentle or eco, whatever it is called, that uses only the weaker motor instead of two motors, in order to get the reasonable range out of the Taycan. Otherwise the EPA ranges for city and highway are accurate.
Yes, Taycan range is extremely variable depending on the the wheels and tires
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 EPA ranges are jokes. Tesla never achieved their "wow" range while most of VW Group cars beat their EPA range by 10 - 20%. WLTP range are more accurate..
I know it falls short of a Tesla Model S on the range and infrastructure point right now but honestly there is not a world where I choose a Tesla over a Taycan. It’s a delightful car that is super important at convincing die hard petrol heads that EVs can indeed be fun. Just think what the cheaper RWD models will be like or the even faster GT line! Also do you really want to bet against VW catching up on infrastructure. I’d bet they are on parity with Tesla sooner than you think
Brilliant video. This subject could be so dull but in the hands of Robert it becomes funny, informative, and engaging. Looking forward to more of these and more house price, car price comparisons.
Great video. Both informative as well as entertaining to watch. I have a Taycan Cross Turismo since 4 months and absolutely love it. Fantastic car to drive and charging on Electrify America works well for road trips. As a daily I charge it in my garage 2-3 times per week over night.
The production on this channel is top notch.
15:30 Looks like someone is happy 😂
LMAO
test drove a Polestar 2 recently. Planned a journey to Switzerland (from Surrey), where I drive quite often to see my sister, and the journey was 7 hours longer because of charging breaks. I will keep my 530bhp twin-turbo V8, thanks!
"Bladder Anxiety worse than Range Anxiety; more stressful, more painful, and long term damage". I want to use these quotes as a bumper sticker :-D
I agree when the German manufacturers show up to the party Tesla is going to have some competition ....
And competition is good!
well, where are they all ??????????????
@@Leopold5100 Managing a well thought vehicle that wont lock you inside the car, the second the batteries ignite.
@@4rzaluz Funny cause a Taycan burned down a house in Florida soon after sales
@@shankhadeepshome3982 Thats the point.. batteries are a sudden risk.
The most beautifull EV ever! Amazing car, what a power! What a beauty!
Just love the looks and design of the Porsche Taycan lineup, saying that as an Tesla Model 3P owner.
Great video as always, Robert is a true gem
Dream car. I sold my boxster S for my e-golf. The e-golf can outrun and out handle my boxster with 16” bobbley tyres! I do miss the open top car and the roar it made though. The way it gulped down fuel, not so much. The e-golf off the mark is just astonishing and into a roundabout at a tight lick is nifty. If there is an ID.R that comes out, now that would be something. The golf chassis is so good.
Turbo S is even faster when turbo kicks in.
Yep, lightning-fast
Add some nox and it will be way faster.
😂
I can't wait until all this tech trickles down into something I can afford in 2030!
corsa e... GIT! IT!
A Renault Zoe is a good place to start from personal experience 😁
Take a look at the ID.3 🙂
Don't worry, 2023-2024. This are going VERY fast.
@@LouNYF I like the Zoe. I saw a test where it got 5 miles per Kwh. Up there with the Tesla model 3. Would be a great 2nd car and a great first EV.
Love that - "bladder anxiety is worse than range anxiety"
Great work, such a well put together episode. Love the futuristic music.
45 kWh/100 mi ~ 2.2 mi/kWh which is appalling for a city car, but irrelevant for a performance vehicle for the disgustingly rich. Also, another great car producing no toxic fumes or ear blowing exhaust sound to cause nuisance in cities 🥳.
Great review , truly amazing how Porsche put their engineering toward a great platform
that needs just a little bit more dense baattery and a pittle bit much more effective electrical motor and it will be on top.
But how fast was it actually charging at it's highest peak then? 100kW? 200kW? 300kW?
Agreed - what was the actual charge rate during the stop?
It feels like from the start Robert wants to showcase the charge rate and drives all this way only to find out it's not that great and decides not to say it as not to put the Porsche too much in a bad light. Though I do like the Porsche as it has a couple of things really going for it, but I think being open is important as some people might get a surprise if they purchase one and it is not to their expectations. I also understand that peak charge rate doesn't say much in how much time it takes to charge, so best would be to show the charge rate graph over SoC/time.
@@MrBra1nDeaD I agree with you. The car may support 150kWh+ charging but from my experience the peak charging rate is only achieved for a small time. Certainly above 80% the charging speed will drop significantly
Well, @14:48 the display has that charger has delivered 1.221 kW in 0:55 minutes (55 seconds). This equates to a charging rate of ~241.76 kW; not too shabby...
@@returner323617 Hmm, do you mean 1.221 kWh? (Notice the "h").
I don't think that's quite right as 241.67 kW in 55 second would give you 3.69 kWh. So I think you've missed something in your calculation.
80's are back, let's stick a turbo batch on anything moving fast !! ;-)
I got the chance to drive the Turbo S and it is super fast! it is faster then the fastest Tesla (this in the video is not). Well and finally it’s a Porsche .. nothing beats Porsche in build quality - especially not a Tesla 😅
Silly name...
Xtreme Turbo on steroids? ...vomit
@@snowstrobe no, it’s Porsche history.
@@MrStian78 There are so aspects of its history they could have drawn on without using a word that has absolutely nothing to do with electric drive-trains.
"Bladder anxiety" v. "Range anxiety " . I hear ya bro'!
Amazing video,great graphics about range & location.
You're not stupid your an ultimate human entertainment machine, even gives us health facts every time I go on a long journey now I'm going to think of my bladder👍🤣
Fabulous show as always - really enjoyed that. Don't like the colour but LOVE the car
As always a wonderful video. The most astonishing statement however was the bit about the car being twice as expensive as his house. Ooohhhh how I wish that was still the case 😂
Thank you for another wonderful video. To be frank the content doesn't really matter (though the content _is_ excellent in it's own right) I just really enjoy your presentation style, you could go on about a brown paper bag and that would be all right with me :-)
Gorgeous car
Very fair. Thanks. 😎
Enjoyed your review. I get 280 miles range routinely with mine. And actually, there was just a video posted with the Turbo S racing the fastest Tesla and it beat it by a good bit.
Que, Plaid model s.
🙂
Much love, fantastic episode, Robert! ❤️
Robert, I think I speak for all millennials when I say - please don't mention house prices from 30 years ago...
Thankyou Robert. Great job as always. x
Another excellent video.
If I had the money this is the one I would buy. I have been lucky enough to have owned three Porsches in my life, each car was a joy to drive...
But a pain to live with - too unreliable in my experience
I enjoyed your report on the Taycan - thank you.
Such vehicles will devolve into vehicles for "the masses".
I would like to see your uncle who says "Mhya Mhya Ya", he sounds really interesting.
Great video as always.
El-cars are so much more interesting than ex-cars.
Looking forward to the day you in addition convert to the modern units of measurement 👍
I love it!! You can't even put into words how great it feel to drive!!!❤❤❤❤🙏🏾
Good story, homey and fun. Robert, you have a way with words. Do I want a Porsche, prolly not due to the fact that I'm older than you and it's a chore crawling down into my wife's XJ6. So something a bit more upright and off-roady (I do go off road now and then), but with the same level of detail, fit & finish would be nice. Also love the no huge center screen. Proper cockpit there :-)
Porsche better built than a Tesla - what a surprise. Heck, my wife’s 2013 Audi wipes the floor with my Model 3 with respect to build quality.
Fair to say, no one is buying a Tesla for its build quality. Hopefully this will improve over time.
@@user-jt1jv8vl9r nah they won't because they ain't designed with that in mind.
Don't Tesla have the worst build quality of any cars built today.
Terrific piece from the fully charged show, the original and best. Taycan Turbo has to be the best looking EV yet, although hard to see how one would ever actually call upon those massive disc brakes given the regen capacity at each of the four wheels. Perhaps on a track!
Fantastic Vlog ,a stunning car .
Can you have imagined when you started this channel you would be charging a Porsche at 350kw at a purpose built charging station. It feels like we have finally arrived at the beginning of the end of combustion engine vehicles to me.
Great review. And great video to watch.
Lovely video!!! And good information!! I love my RWD Taycan, I LOVE PORSCHE!!!...😀
Hopefully this will be a vehicle that is on the list for a young driver of the future and excites the next gen of drivers !
on my christmas list now!!!
Take a drive in that new Ford everyone is talking about.
Not mistaking that Porsche is where they are with this car because of Tesla, Porsche has always been a real drivers car, Tesla is more a mass market (but still too expensive) offering. Excellent video, as per usual, keep them coming
I love how you use metric/SI measures for the energy and imperial for the distance. Might I suggest you replace kWh with CF (Calorie Fortnight)?
Well we use miles here, the only reason he uses the daft metric fuel consumption is because that is what the car/Porsche use.
There have been a lot of gripes about the station range number but it seems to be an underestimation, German car manufacturers tend to lowball their official numbers for some reason. Lots of people get much more than the stated range number in the tycan
Always interesting and very entertaining !! Thank you
OK this episode is a watershed moment in UK EV life for me. Its not a Tesla, Its not a golf cart, there is superb charging, It all works, its positively cool because its Robert Lewellen and the credibility level is off the scale. Congratulations to Fully Charged, Porsche and Gridserve. I have to wave the Tesla flag since owning P85 Model S from 2014 and 100,000 UK miles, Tesla your mission is officially working. How long have I waited for this moment, Id say 20 years! From the early days of the Electric Symposium meetings to test drive in a P85..........The frustrating thing is EVs are just plain better, unstoppable momentum here guys.....at last!
Alas, Bobby had to drive across the country to Essex because that's the only GridServe (so far) in the country. Definitely a positive sign, but I'd hold back on the celebrations until they've got a half-decent network of stations covering most of the UK, etc :D (I don't think Bobby went back to the point about the Superchargers at Membury, but iirc there's only a dismal pair of 50Kw chargers for non-Teslas there, as with most UK motorway stations, and a depressingly high chance they're not actually functioning)
@@logicalChimp you don't need to convince me I also ride a Zero SRF electric motorbike which is genius with everything cranked up 100%........oh 80 miles down to 5% and the public charger is Kaput...again! The Zero just needs the public chargers to be working basicly 90 miles range max, its great for a quick blast and back home. Im not up for the logistics of charging at 60 miles on plan A only to panic about plan B and panic panic plan C. I see GridServe as the answer and hopefully when they roll out a few more they will raise the bar, the only down side no more free leccy off Ecotricity pumps!
Great episode and that car looks awesome
Wait a mo. As a pukka old-school petrol-head I've got a niggling negative observation to make about EVs in general and this Porsche Trashcan in particular.
I drove rally cars in the Group-B era - only as an amateur, but I prepared cars, twice drove support vehicles for privateers in the Safari (and finished both times) and did a lot of club rallying in England.
So I know whereof I speak when I ask, "Whither Colin Chapman and his philosophy of 'Simplify and add lightness'?"
This car weighs 2,880 kilos. Say it slowly. Savour those syllables. It's insane. It's a Porsche, not a brick-built porch. Robert says it costs more than he paid for his house, but I bet it weighs almost as much, too.
This car is telling people that being packed with lardy extras is somehow necessary and desirable. Plenty of power, yep, but it sets a bad example of what performance [sic] EVs could and should be about.
Discarding an old, heavy, noisy, messy, complicated, inefficient, high-maintenance internal combustion engine and transmission in favour of battery power should be a good thing, but look at the cost in terms of renewables and energy efficiency. It's absurd. It's replacing the Merkin dream of chrome, an iron chassis built out of RSJs, a big block V8 and 'automatic everything' with a mountain of high tech bloatware. And automatic everything.
So much for progress.
This car - like all EVs - would be a great deal more impressive if it weighed 50% less. Imagine the mileage. I don't mean build it flimsy to give it artificially cool range figures (mentioning no names, hem hem), I mean don't load your cars with a ton of smart tech and energy-hungry goodies. That should be seen as a BAD thing.
I'm reminded of US manufacturers falling over themselves to produce bigger and bigger cars with gigantic engines and stupid kerbweights because consuming less and taking up less space on the road and in the world was seen as un-Constitutional and Communist and evil and cowardly and wrong. Well, conspicuous consumption is back, and it's lithium powered. Viva Canyonero.
Making it electric doesn't make it good.
Are EVs destined to become tomorrow's moronic muscle cars? Colin Chapman might be impressed by the technology, but I think he'd be appalled by its application.
great vid!,,,stay safe your the reason i watch Chanel :)
Robert, my first introduction to electrification was a fabulous and highly educational video about Mate Rimac, the Croatian engineer. It’s my understanding that Porsche have bought a stake in his company, which is a technology company.
I have an S but I have to say the Taycan is incredible and a totally different vehicle. Congrats Porsche! Stirling achievement! Did anyone spot what max kW Rob got?
2:10 My Taycan takes currently less than 29 kWh/100 miles in 80% city and 20% city highway driving with average 16°C temperature driving slightly faster then the rest of the traffic - no hypermiling!
you are a ambassador for electric tech
Only 81.4KW/h. A long way short of 350! The first and last 20% do tend to charge at a slower rate, plus the battery would be hot from the long journey so the charge rate is reduced to protect the battery. Plus it is limited by local demand. Go back on a quiet day after a short journey and you might see closer to 350.
At 14:49 you see he charged 1.221Kw in 54 seconds. (1.221/54)*3600 = 81.4KW/h
Robert, can you feed back on the Ionity upping the price on chargers to be almost the same as filling up with unleaded. i am interested to understand the tariffs involved when charging a non tesla on a longer journey. great vid, love the channel and i am a petrol head 😀
14:00 Just a note. The Taycan's battery really is significantly smaller than a Model S P100. The Taycan only has 83.7 kWh usable, which is more than 16 kWh less than the Tesla.
Great video. Just a couple of comments though
The battery pack in the Taycan has (like you also stated) a net capacity of about 83kWh, even if it has about 10 more full, you cannot charge it full. However Tesla doesn't do it like that, they allow you to utilize much more of it. And the pack you find in the P100DL (and the now Performance), and the Long range (Model S and X) for that matter, has about 98kWh net capacity. That is a lot more, that's 15kWh more capacity you can actually charge. So the big range difference is mostly due to that. And that's a big and important factor. Because the Porsche can be charged to 100% every singe day if you want to. While you can do that in the equivalent Teslas, it's not recommended, you will damage the battery pack doing so. And you're left with charging to something like 80% which gives you just about the same range as the Taycan. Now, when you're going on a long trip, you would of course charge the Tesla to 100%, and get the full range. And then it will obviously have an advantage over the Porsche.
The secondary reason the Porsche have a bit less range is those massive tires. The car you tested had 305mm rear tires, and 265mm front tires. Equivalent Model S would have 245mm front tires and 265mm rear tires. And that makes a big difference for an electric car. The Porsche is more aerodynamic but those tires bite it in the ass, in terms of range. And you get even more ass biting when you have to drive on a wet road like you did. I think you found the perfect day to show it's lowest range potential. On a warm summer day, you'll get 300 miles easily.
So for every day use, the range will not be a big difference. It's only when you have to go far you will get into a bigger difference. And then it's down to charging speed. And if you're going 300 miles, you need to charge both cars, and then you will use less time with the Porsche. Even if you're going to go twice that, you'll still use less time with the Porsche. Unless you get into a queue, or no chargers available and you need to do a detour. But more and more chargers will pop up in the future, and that should not be an issue.
The fastest range car will still be a Model 3 Long Range. With it's 250kWh charging potential, Tesla super charger network, and low consumption.
! And for reference I drive a Model S 100D at the moment, and I have a Taycan Turbo in delivery. I had a Model S P85+ before. And I have tested the Model S Performance (latest model) and the Model 3 Performance. That should be all the cars I've talked about !
Regarding to 11:59
In 1899 an electric vehicle was built, which Porsche presented as “Semper Vivus” (“Always alive” or “Always alive”) at the Paris World Exhibition in 1900. The car known today as the “Lohner-Porsche” was registered with the Austrian Patent Office under the number 19645. A “drive steering wheel with electric motor” was registered in the patent specification. It had a precise form of drive for the front wheels that was free of any effects on the steering. This was only possible a few decades later for vehicles with internal combustion engines. The vehicle had a top speed of around 50 km / h and a range of 50 km with the 410 kg lead-acid battery.
*Source: Wikipedia
great video! Thanks for keeping us all so up to date on the world of electricity. Is it possible to quote the consumption in future car videos in the number of miles travelled per kWh as well please? Our Hyundai Kona uses that consumption metric and it makes sense now, and I end up converting every consumption figure to that!
This host is just fantastic.
Very nice.... as soon as I can afford - I will buy it
We love you Bobby.
posibly best car ever made
Tesla baby💞
@@MartinLV. it is not that well made. tesla only has more range and it is not everthing.
@ supercharging, real life family friendly car use?
@ bigger boot, 5 seats rather than 4 and better infotainment I hear from an own of both cars. But I would expect the Porsche to handle better than family saloon. As for build quality I think the jury is out as I've heard a number of owners say their cars have had a string of problems. But then my Tesla has had some niggles too. With a bit of spirited driving
@@MartinLV. There are more CCS fastcharging that Tesla supercharging in Europe
So what charging speed did you top out at?
I'd argue that this is perfect weather for test driving a new EV. Any fool can get fairly good results on a fine sunny day but the likes of a typical soggy good ol' Blighty day is much better for giving a more accurate idea of a car's performance. Fantastic review Robert. 👌