I Want To Sue Ubisoft and Game Publishers...
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
- Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! This time we take a look at what appears to be a campaign started by a fellow TH-camr Ross of Accursed Farms. With our very medium at risk of being delisted day by day it's time someone takes these publishers to task to properly preserves the games we buy. Thanks for watching!
Like, Comment and Subscribe for more videos! - เกม
Check out Accursed Farms video here: th-cam.com/video/w70Xc9CStoE/w-d-xo.html
why?
Maybe we need laws to force companies to stop this type of bullshit.
The crew is 99% offline, there is a whole single player game.
The online stuff is only for the DLC part calls the summit.
So the base game is 100% offline and the DLC is the only online part.
Ubisoft could very easy make the game playable offline.
Ubisoft refuses to make a patch
This should be illegal
This is why digital games are trash, the crew is no longer in the download history or in my library.
So they stole money from me
Ross and Accursed Farms are amazing and in glad to see the love for this project.
YES YES YES HE'S COVERING IT
I absolutely hate when they not only delist a game but now they are stealing it from us. Erasing my purchase. For shame.
DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE!
@@drkreuzer670yo ho, yo ho. A pirates life is for me.
What do you do with a drunken Sony?
@@drkreuzer670 But pirating can be difficult, and a lot of games these days are online games, and if it's an online game, someone needs to host servers for pirated copies of it, which is a really hard thing to do. It should just be illegal for a game company to delist a game and erase people's ownership of it. That'd be like selling someone a car, coming back after 6 months and taking the car just leaving 4 wheels there on the ground. "We're erasing your ownership of this car." You can't do that. Why can a game company do that to games???
@@Ovahlls Tesla: we've stopped supporting the model 1 Tesla so now you're left with a 1 ton brick that won't even turn on lol get rekt
Remember guys: if buying isnt owning, piracy isnt stealing.
1000% applies to delisted games.
that's actually spot on.
That's actually the only way to get them now, it's still piracy because it goes by copyright. But considering that Ubisoft no longer sells the game, piracy isn't stealing any possible revenue as there is none. This means, that at the very least morally, it's fine when it's a delisted game.
Just blacklist them.
the game can't even be played because it was an always online game
CEO of fact spitting right here
For Brazil is a bit easier since there we have really good consumers laws, companies there have a hard time trying to scam people, as an example, Apple and Samsung when they decided to stop providing charger bricks with their phones most consumers just had to open an online complain with the consumer protection board and they forced those companies to provide the bricks free of charge, no need to ask representatives, change any laws or go to court, you pay for the product you get what you paid for.
Now in Canada and US is really scary how they let companies do whatever they want, you have such basic consumers laws that the only way to protect yourself is going to court, but even that is expensive and time consuming… is pretty much a system that negates you to fight for your rights unless you have money and time to go through legal matters.
Brazil has its problems but I love my home for those reasons, consumer laws will be taken seriously no matter what.
Oh no, there is another way.
It's just... Extremely violent.
Hence why no one's done it, YET.
But eventually, it'll happen. You can only push so far before people break and start doing drastic things.
ECSTATIC to see Ross' message getting signal boosted. I've been on board with his case from the start, but I'm just one man who's already selective about what I buy. I really hope people can get behind this message and just STOP buying games that are going to vanish, for their own sake as much as everyone else's.
Now I'm digging up that petition site.
"It's insane that you actually have to break the law to actually play older titles"
I have no words because of how true this statement is.
If they completely delisted it. It's no longer against the law. If a company completely removes the game from a platform then pirating from that platform is not against the law any longer. This is legally stealing as well. So by all accounts they are just completely in the wrong. xD
This is the same problem with watch tv shows.. try watching Pokémon in todays age, you gotta get like 6 different streaming platforms. Its wild that they have made streaming and pirating easier than actually watching it legally.
this is an outrage.....i'm still trying to watch the video, i barely clicked and paused and went straight for the comments
>quotes video
>says they have no words
>still posted a comment
??????
@@AndrewVaillant he wrote the comment in silence
Thanks a bunch for the mention! At the rate we're going, I think we're almost certainly going to get answers on this one one way or the other. We can still use more complaints filed though, especially in France, Germany, and Australia. I'm going crazy that the petitions still aren't open, apparently submitting them 3 weeks in advance wasn't enough. I'll have updates on them as soon as they do!
Good job!
Man, it sucks that a simple petitioning is taking so flipping long. It's downright incompetent.
Hi, I'm French and would like to help, but I unfortunately do not own the crew, would that work if I bought the game second hand on eBay, could I join the movement?
The beurocracy in EU is always stuck behind Germany or France. Until those two are in EU, beurocracy is a problem. When those 2 leave EU, EU stops existing.
Great job, man!
Glad people are finally mentioning this. I’ve had games removed from my PlayStation thanks to some digital only purchases. It’s complete bs. It’s what made me purchase physical copies only today.
Was *really* hoping you'd mention City of Heroes during the video. It has an amazing story which goes to show how important games can be for people. The short short version for those that don't know, City of Heroes was an MMO owned by NCSoft that shut down, had the server code stolen, rebuilt by fans who ran private servers for years, the private servers were discovered (by other fans), the server code was released for all to install, then the largest private servers released publicly *with improvements and expansion of the original game* to wide praise, and eventually one of these private servers inked a deal with NCSoft to officially allow themselves to keep running. The latest numbers I've seen is they have 44,000 users on a server cluster paid for by donations.
I hate that we lost splitscreen. Sleepovers with boys, defending screen peaker allegations in Cod or Halo, or even coop with my brother in Portal. There is no substitute for it
There's an external software, nucleus coop, to have it work on PC on a few games, best alternative we got
@@manuxx3543that wasnt the point
i dont know why you "hate it" it still exists to this day. kids play their parents game consoles and play relatively new'ish games that still have split/shared screen. my kids play Diablo 3 on console all the time.
@@mitch4904Diablo 3 was released 12 years ago.
@@mitch4904 he obviously meant he hates that NEW GAMES no longer come w this feature, ffs
“it’s fun to goon with others but sometimes you should have the right to goon by yourself” Mutahar-2024
This quote is absolutely fantastic and needs to be preserved!
The Book of Mutahar
Gooners rise up?
stellar blade is a singleplayer game with a singlehanded hard mode
@@RobotReg way ahead of you, bro!
The problem with not really owning anything is not just with games but almost everything today: software, music, films, everything is a subscription, you pay like crazy for years and don't own anything, It's a really frustrating situation for the consumer,
If I buy something, I should simply own it.
That's why this is important.
If This works, those are all almost certainly next.
Then, don't buy it.
Simple as that.
The more people that don't buy their bullshit the more they'll have to stop.
@@mr_h831 It's not as simple, actually, I wish it was. For a lot of things, the only way of accessing them legally is via a streaming service/SAAS.
@@endless_puns It's a pirate's life for you then my dude.
If they're gonna steal from you I don't see why stealing from them should be illegal.
I have been following this action since february and have already done my part. Thank you a lot for spreading this too.
So, fun fact... Ubisoft patched the PC edition of Splinter Cell Conviction to require their activation servers to validate if you own the DLCs instead of letting steam do the validation. They also patched it to require INTERNET ACCESS for LAN co-op. Clicking that menu will boot you back to the menu saying they couldn't access Ubi's servers. You can still buy the DLCs and everything on steam, but they will not work and people that have previously purchased the game also cannot access their DLCs or play the co-op campaign at all anymore because of their forced online patches, and guess what? Those online servers have been taken down and the forced online patches have not been reverted.
The same thing happened with Splinter Cell Blacklist, where you also cannot access their online servers to validate what you own, with Ghost Recon Future Soldier, where the game kicks you out of singleplayer because it cannot validate that you actually own the copy as their servers are dead, and the list goes on and on...
This is not exclusive to the crew, this is almost every old Ubisoft game, they keep doing this and they keep getting away with it somehow and they will keep doing it until we start suing them for taking what we bought away from us.
Edit: Woah this got seen. Also, I could be wrong but I think there's a paragraph in Steam's TOS that a vendor cannot do what Ubisoft is doing where they basically revoke access to content previously bought... Not that Ubi cares, clearly.
Also worth keeping in mind, most of these issues seem to happen to people that have activated keys post their uplay changes that seemingly happened before 2020, not everyone will have the same issues but if you visit these games' steam pages and look at the reviews (especially with the case of the DLCs) you will be able to see people complaining about how things are not working and how their keys simply do not register or are recognized by the system anymore.
This the very reason why Ubisoft games are worthless for me. Why should I give Ubisoft any of my money when they treat us like garbage? That's money better spent on something completely different, not just in videogames.
@@krazycharlieIt's why I haven't bought Ubisoft titles in 20+ years, and the ones I do own I play the pirated versions because they are the best version of the game that exists.
Anno 2070 was the last straw for me after having a bunch of game-features disabled because my internet hiccuped mid-match (single-player campaign by the way) until I completely relaunched the game (this on top of issues with Uplay in general even just getting the game to install and run).
I immediately uninstalled and got the pirated version and everything works perfectly internet connection or not.
@@ZanathKariashiman sthu 😹
@@krazycharliePirate them and enjoy the benefit s.
@@ZanathKariashi how easy is it to find safe pirated games?
If I've said it once, I've said it a quintillion times: if you pay money for digital goods and the people you got those goods from want to or have to take away those goods for any reason, they should be legally required to give you a full refund + 15%, turning all revocation of digital goods into a legally mandated net loss
Especially if there's dlcs made for it too
I hate that because I want the product I bought but this really would make it so mofos don't do this shit.
Well, you never owned it anyway, so.... 🤷🏿
Or at least be upfront and sell a subscription instead of the game
I find it INSANE that digital copies of games have the same price tag as physical copies where i live, one example is that back in 2014 i bought for a friend a physical copy of FIFA2014 for essentialy 2 dollars, new and sealed, while in online console shops it went for 40$
These days AAA games on Steam cost 1/3 of the minimum wage in Brazil, some cases even 2/3, i refuse to believe that real actual people spend money like this, i've never bought a game in full price never in my life
Preach, dude. I’m so, so happy you’re helping Ross and getting the word out on this. I think most creators are too scared to brooch this topic, and there needs to be a shift in gamer culture that is more protective of these kinds of games.
I’ve been watching you since you did creepypasta readings, and Ross since he made Freeman’s Mind back on Machinima. Ross’s Game Dungeon is one of the best game review series on TH-cam. It’s great to see two legends banding together like this to fight these publishers. Please have him on for an interview when he gets to the next phase!
This reminds me of the whole RuneScape situation. The "Old School" RuneScape of my childhood is lost to me forever even though it was the one they brought back and relaunched because they keep changing it and messing it up.
Constant updates to games like Dont Starve are also a huge blight. I wish I could just boot up the vanilla versions of games sometimes, but I don't really own many of them. It's crazy anymore.
It's really frustrating that game companies can just take away games which we've paid hard-earned money for. Video game preservation is indeed crucial. Gamers put a lot of time and effort into these games, we should definitely own any game we purchase. Companies should for sure guarantee access and not just remove purchases whenever it suits them.
That and games are a part of history whether we like it not they have had influential impact
The fact that there is someone defending this too...
You buy a license, as bad as it feels...understand what you are purchasing and if you dont agree dont purchase....then when enough people dont and it affects their sales they will change it for the better.....that is how you bring change not moaning to something you agree to in the purchase details.
Actions speak louder than words.
Stick together and make them change it.
I don't generally like regulation from the government, but this is a case where they should stop companies from being deceptive, letting you think you permanently own their product. Games that can be taken away from you should have to say it outright imo.
I've felt this way for years. It may not be the best answer but I strongly suggest supporting steam games. Not all, but most the games are available offline.
Suebisoft
LOLZERS!
greedisoft
Ubislop
Poobisoft
Ubishite.
Thank you so much for making this video. I’ve never seen your channel before today, but I’m glad to know others are behind Ross.
Muta using his voice and platform for the greater good of all of us. Thank you!
This is why piracy exists and tbh we can't say anything about it, if big companies have such shady practices then I m happy with piracy
Yeah but how can you pirate a game that is designed around the online component and not offline. Unless you make private servers which isn't always the easiest thing to do
YOU CAN'T PIRATE ONLINE-ONLY, THAT'S WHAT THE LEGAL ACTION IS FOR
Ross makes the point that piracy cannot help against something where key files or even all of the files, were never on a consumer's computer to begin with, unless they have a fanbase that manages to reverse engineer server software (and not get immediately DMCAed).
We are Robin Hood. We are taking from the corrupt wealthy to give it to the hardworking poor who deserve it more.
If you don't own what you purchase, then you can't pirate it either.
Piracy is morally correct.
Im glad muta is covering this more. These corporations are getting far to greedy with the games we buy. Its amazing how much the gaming landscape has changed for worse.
"getting" - they started that bs of not owning anything 15 years ago and it got an industry standard as it worked flawlessly with everyone still buying their games so even smaller companies started doing it as well.
As much as I like that the controversy finally gets taken serious: it's insanity that it took a failed Ubisoft marketing stunt for their subscription model for people to notice it and take it serious in the first place. Worst part is that people somehow only shit on Ubisoft, despite EA already trying it almost 20 years ago with it working alright and Ubisoft only perfectionizing the formula at around the same time EA did as well.
If people wouldn't have been sitting there telling everyone "we don't care" for the first few years we wouldn't even be in this situation.
@@KangJangkrikmuta is the guy speaking during the video lol
That's why I went backwards and started playing old games I missed as a kid. I have a soft modded PS2 and an Anbernic RG35XX Plus FULL of games, including English translated PS1 games that never made it to the US.
Just wait for the market to crash, I just hope CD project red make bank from it, they’re still making shit people want and don’t make skinner box trash filled with microtransactions
It's about time we go retro boys
4:32
“Last I check playing with myself. I didn’t need to have people with me. It’s fun to goon with others but sometimes you should have the right to goon by yourself”
😢 inspirational
YEEEES, big channels covering what Accursed Farms is doing, this could be good!
"It's fun to goon with others, but sometimes you should have the right to goon by yourself" is a life lesson that I live by every day.
Yeah that was such a dirty line. 😂
Goon is what we call cheap wine in Australia 🤣 once you drink the cask you can blow the bag up and use it as a pillow
Going to my local retro store and buying a couple of PS2 games, it makes me realise how much we've lost and how far back we've gotten.
LOOOOOOOL
What
Yup
Evergrace, Duel Masters, Seek and Destroy, I-Ninja, Dark Cloud, Wild Arms 3, Tales of the Abyss, Sphimx and The Mummy
Just to name a few
Yet another reason to own a hardcopy and not go digital.
Tell people to imagine a game like a book. A whole library of stories to tell. But some of them can never be opened again later. Lost to time, not by a fire or destruction but simply because "why would anyone read an old book"
Wow I'm so happy to see this video title today because I literally just went through two weeks of the most intense stress I've ever been through because of ubisoft so-called support, I've never had a problem with ubisoft untill I contacted ubisoft support to fix an error in my account and where for example Rockstar social club support helped me with exactly the same problem within minutes of me sending a support ticket ubisoft just ignored me and now weeks later I still haven't got a reply so I googled ubisoft support reviews and couldn't believe what I was seeing as 18000 reviews scored Ubisoft support ONE STAR! honestly the most extreme review bombing I have ever seen, I have Tourette's syndrome and a multitude of other mental health problems and severe anxiety and rage and after what ubisoft have put me through I now physically hate them. (also this is the second time I have had to type all this because after I spent literally an hour typing all this earlier I refreshed youtube and my comment had gone so apparently youtube doesnt care about people with serious mental health problems or how much anguish they cause me by deleting my hard work that I was feeling really good about and was finally feeling better having shared all this and that felt like youtube just punched me in the stomach and I finally feel up to re typing this now so THIS attempt had better not be deleted cos I don't think I could handle that), anyway, I have never had so much hatred for a company as I now have for ubisoft so seeing one of my favourite youtubers talking about ubisoft like this today has made me feel so much better. thank you Mutahar. (^^) :-)
If buying is not owning then pirating is not stealing.
Can you pirate The Crew?
I’m pretty sure I seen many say it have never been theft but copyright infringement to pirate games
it never was, making an identical clone isn't theft
bro out here hitting them with the Uno Reverse card lmao
@@KingLich451 yeah…but its online only…which they shut off the services for. So basically, you'll get fucked either way because you're gonna have a digital paperweight sitting in your computer taking up space.
Please God, set some precedent for us to hold these companies accountable At All.
Knowing how pliable the legal system is to a blank check from a big name company, it probably won't happen. But still, we can hope and try to make it happen.
We can hold them liable, no one actually puts in the effort.
Content creators like muta have the platform and influence to make a difference happen.
You are a consumer, you fill the pockets of these companies.
We have all the power we need, just need to actually care instead of it being a topic for a day or two then everyone moves on
Sadly, by "buying" and playing the game you agreed to the EULA, which outright states that you don't own the game, just a license to play it that can be revoked at any time. This has always been the case, yes even with physical media, only difference is that you have a physical key (the cartridge or disk). It's the standard for movies and music too. All we as the consumer own are licenses, not copies of the game. If we did own the game when we bought it, that would cause a lot more problems, such who gets the profits? Would it now be split between everyone who owns the game? With a license that issue is gone, and the game itself is the property of the studio who made it, aka our current system. Not defending the practice, but more people need to learn that we, unfortunately, have never owned the games we buy and agreed to it by purchasing the game.
@@Setogayamarino we cant forcec arbitration exists
@@gigantopithecus8254 Why follow the rule in place to limit outcry? Easy, hit them where it hurts.
Money and reputation.
Your a consumer, you have all the power, simply stop financially supporting what you don't agree with.
Content creators/influencers are able to INFLUENCE their community like muta does by educating us on anti consumerism and calling out companies hurting their reputation for good reason.
We stop giving them money, while content creators speak for the masses who don't have a platform.
It's the perfect team
You are a absolute legend for helping Ross spread the word about this man, thank you very much.
These gaming companies have got away with this long enough, it's time for us to take action.
Thanks for covering this. I have been following accursed farms since the beginning of this campaign.
Honestly the fact that everything’s starting to shift to online does worry me, mainly with the fact that if companies are targeting emulators, people may not be able to experience the same things we have and that does make me sad
emulators aren't the original way people was experience it originally so idk why you be sad if the way you play your games already changed , well most people first impression isnt from emulator, guess where you get those emulators anyways? prob got them online
alot of older games arent buyable anymore, or really hard to get ur hands on. NCAA14 goes for 300 dollars for a hard copy so emulators are important
@@Yoshizuyunerwhat are you talking about
@@Yoshizuyuner just say you dont understand what is being said here
@@Yoshizuyuner a lot of games I never knew about I played for the first time through emulation
There's Literally nothing wrong with emulating a game then turning around and buying a retro console/copy later on
2:55 They don't even need to make an offline mode because it ALREADY EXISTS - people found it in the files but the game hasn't been updated to make the mode accessible.
thats just messed up
they can't even make a build work on their studio's computers lol
ubisoft has a nasty habit of that **looking at you, Far Cry**
There has been some talk about finding a hidden offline mode for the crew, if so hope the modding comunity can get it working would love to play again
I love how Muta checks his phone mid video without skipping a beat
This is such an important topic, so many games servers get switched off , online games completely shutdown, digital games removed from storefronts. I hope people keep purchasing physical media and wanting offline modes.
Physical doesn't help.
You gotta pay attention to the contracts, loads of companies don't sell you the game as a product but a license to access it until revoked, so you essentially rent it for an unspecified amount of time. So even if it has offline mode, the disc doesn't help you on PC either way as you gotta activate them, and on console they can just either render them unplayable with a patch or get the App ID blocked off so you can't start it anymore. And I highly doubt that anyone is buying a modern console to keep it offline and play unpatched day 1 versions of games that sometimes are unplayable.
@@Unknown_Genius That is not true for older consoles where there is no such thing as console system update and patches. Or PC physical copy of a game that doesn't require (or build specifically to not have) any platform to install and play.
But even for modern devices and games as long disk contain the necessary data and files (which is the main point of having physical copy) in order to install and play, there might be a way to bypass blockers and activations requirements if they are there.
But definitely modern games with physical copy shouldn't have ID blockers and activation requirement if company / platform no longer able provide servers or got shut down.
What benefit does physical have over digital seriously? you’re talking about media that’s proprietory to planned obsolete consoles lmao
@@1God1FuryI’d take a game that I can mod and have unlimited frame rate over a proprietary game any day. Go back to your hut grandpa
@@Bootlickersticker game preservation and ownership. We though digital copy is way to go until it become dependent on servers and platforms to run it. Until they decide to yoink it from you for whatever reason or they become bankrupt/shutdown and next time you will see the game you paid for is longer available. Gone forever. You want live in "you own nothing and be happy" dystopian world? Get real
New Dexerto article reads, " TH-camr thinks its ok to kidnap someone to play splitscreen co-op Multiplayer."
Sam Hyde is wild these days
Is it not? asking for a friend
I would make it "Anti-DRM incel wants to kidnap people to play games disconnected from the internet."
Based and redpilled lmao 😂😂😂
isn't this how everyone acquires a friend to play coop for a bit?
For some reason i like the phone sounds on the background. I think I'll like any changes to Muta's sound since I've been listening to his videos for so long.
In the context of this i would love to have laws rougly like:
- As soon as a game is not available and playable on modern platforms (different OS etc.), they should count as abandonware and abandonware games/media would then be free to download/copy
- (close to the accursed farms one) The license holders a liable to keep games available to be playable for people that paid money for the game or ingame transactions. Either by keeping it properly playable with online services or by allowing players to play all content 100%
Else they would get monetary fines or something.
I can imagine there would be a lot of loopholes and ways to circumvent this, but i think it would be a step in the right direction.
This is why Piracy will ABSOLUTELY NEVER DIE.
sorry dude..but uh... its already dying hard. The only schizo on the planet who was cracking Denuvo is all gone last year.
So the moment Denuvo starts being used in more games then piracy is GONE for good. And then the digital future is coming and u WILL buy the game or never play.
Except piracy can't save these online-only games that are being killed, that's what the entire point of this campaign is.
Not relevant to the conversation. This is about games that have an integral online component (some part of game logic needs to connect to the dev servers to work), so they were never truly cracked. You can NOT play The Crew any more, at all, in any way shape or form, including pirated.
@@chimerschang technically you can host your own server for some games
@@chimerschang that’s true.
They crippled Black Flag too. It requires a sign-in now, despite the online portion being disabled... sloppily. Unless you look really hard for a goofy workaround, Kenway's Fleet doesn't work and blocks some progression... and the mod that fixes it can get you banned from your Ubisoft Connect account, which signing into is required to even launch the game now... which wasn't the case a few years ago. It worked fine entirely offline and being offline simply skipped the online (now defunct) Kenway's Fleet stuff instead of soft locking your progression when that part comes up, as it tries to connect to shutdown servers...
Screw Ubisoft.
Wait a second, so you're telling me Kenway's fleet just won't work anymore?
How could a company let die one of the most interesting things to do in a hecking pirate game such as having your own damn FLEET. Jesus, and here I thought the Abstergo thing and the sneak missions were the crappiest parts.
That's why I play cracked games online games are good but local multiplayer Is always better than online multiplayer
What I did for the PS3 was this: I bought the DLC that unlocks all the Kenway's Fleet content (I forgot the name of the pack) and then IMMEDIATELY asked PlayStation Support to refund me. They will remove your DLC from your account and give your money back but all the content will keep unlocked for you.
I played black flag a few days ago on the Xbox one and I was surprised I found a online multiplayer match pretty quickly it was only with a few people but at least I got to play
The issue is the recent game update Ubisoft implemented for it where by trying to fix a fullscreen bug they caused from the update, which made Kenways fleet bust. There are fixes on Nexus mods for this where you downgrade your game and then disable automatic updates for it from both steam and uplay. Now all the dlc should work as intended.
Thing is last year Ubisoft pulled another weird update for the game, requiring another fix in the past to unlock some dlc you bought already that hasn't before because Ubisofts systems are fucking trash
Loving the parallel between yours and Charlie's introduction to this topic "You will own nothing and be happy".
I remember MGS4, so excited to get home and play. Pop the disc in..... multiple hour install.
And that's my MGS4 experience
I don't think we, gamers should settle with a crap warning, we paid for a game, f big companies, if a game has the structure to run offline it should be OBLIGATED to have an offline patch at the end of it's life time
Agree
Somehow, Polyphony Digital listened to this and made a patch for GT Sport to be playable offline after its servers went down. Let's hope they do the same with GT7 when its servers also go down.
In a vacuum companies will just try to loophole their way into arguing that their game does not have the structure to run offline regardless of any common sense merit that argument may or may not have. imho games that do not have an offline structure, or any company trying to argue for such, should be forced to keep servers online indefinitely or yield ownership of both the servers and the IP to the public domain.
or in the case of PC games, offer a way for players to host their own private servers
I agree, I don’t understand how this isn’t mandatory
I remember discovering Ross through his "Games-as-a-Service is Fraud" video a few years back, and him explicitly saying UbiSoft was going to memoryhole The Crew sooner or later in his review of it. I'm glad he's built up to this campaign.
The games as a service model should be explicitly outlawed with no loopholes, work arounds etc that's what i think anyway as it weakens the enjoyment of gaming any monetisation models should also be banned as well
@@craigdurrant4880i really dont believe live service games are the worst
Its just the way they are handled that makes them shitty
Like cod
I was shaking my head and agreement and nodding 14:58 through the video, until the last 60 seconds where he uttered the words “like bloodborne”… We have to put an end to this threat immediately😶
My mind got fuckin sent when Muta talks sbout game preservation, and im glancing at my modest PS3 game collection with MGS4, Tales of Graces, Tales of Xillia, and Tales of Zestiria on the shelf. Idk where one can play Tales of the Abyss either unless you have a Ps2 or a NEW! 3DS
I got a Gamecube and PS3 copy of Tales of Symphonia too...got that Gamecube copy for that 60 fps....
Just to be clear. This campaign isn't about being able to buy games legally and indefinitely. This is about being able to access a game you've already purchased.
The former is a separate preservation issue. I doubt any government is going to force a company to sell all their products indefinitely. Thankfully emulators and archival efforts are doing an alright job so far, but even they often can't restore access to a game that never got offline support.
the goverment should just store old video games on one there big server, kinda like how they are storing films to be preserved, so that people would finally shut up about it
@@Yoshizuyuner they don't store every film though. Only the 'most culturally significant'. Such equivalent games would already be backed up by the gaming community anyway.
I do think it'd be ideal for concrete laws to make sure its not illegal or piracy to download abandonware, assuming that's not already a thing, but being able to play something at all, especially if you've already paid for it, is more important imo. It's all important tho
@@Yoshizuyuner You never want to rely on the gouvernement for anything.
For issue 1 - They do not need to force companies to sell their titles indefinitely. They just need to pass a law, that if a company does NOT provide any legal way to purchase a game for an X amount of time - it becomes completely legal to obtain a pirated copy, and they are not allowed to legally take down preservation efforts. Similar to how the trade mark law works - if the company is not defending it's trademark, it legally loses the trade mark, we already have this system working, just apply it to games that are no longer legally purchasable.
@@RancorSnp check my reply just above yours. I essentially suggest the same thing, I think this would be an ideal solution, but it's not what this campaign aims to solve.
One of the craziest things related to this is Destiny 2, where they actively removed parts of the game that you have paid for while simultaneously pumping out new content because the old stuff is "hard to maintain".
The entire base storyline that you paid for when the game released is now gone
D1 was a great game. i have loved it since launch.
i got burned on D2 the DAY I PLAYED IT. nothing made any sense.
I still can't fathom how people ate that shit up. I quit right after losing everything I paid for.
What happened to Bungie is so sad. I'm guessing they're never going to make another single player game again. Tragic.
Why are you pissed off when the die hard fans still eat that shit up. The same fans that pay hundreds of dollars per year for DLCs, not you.
@@TheACLP I'm pissed because the people who don't complain and just buy the new stuff ENABLE Bungie to keep doing this to us. I'm pissed because I lost everything I paid for!
I was about to say i wish you linked the video in the description, then i saw the pinned comment lmao
A very niche game I loved was happy dungeons. A fun chibi style dungeon crawler. Was online only and get shutdown a while ago.
Best part was it was split screen, and I barely played it "online" anyway.
I got the digital copy of the new Prince of Persia. And thought I could go play it at the park while my kid was doing his own thing. Nope, how to have a live Internet connection to start the game up on my switch so I ended up having to Connect to my phones hotspot just to play a handheld purely single player game with zero online content and that is absolutely criminal. It makes me worried that I will not be able to play that game in 10 years that they will pull it from my switch.
Bruh this is fucked
Yeah, a lot of the digital games are like this now on the switch. I think it's the denevo thing or?
That issue is specifically a Nintendo thing. I have a switch and a switch lite because I wanted the lite for traveling around more easily since it's smaller. Nintendo for some ungodly reason only let's your "primary" console be able to play digital games offline. Even though you're signed into your account on a secondary switch they force an internet connection to basically not allow for game sharing. So if you want to have your "on the go" switch be able to play games offline then that's the one that has to be set as the primary system. It's super dumb and honestly not worth the time or hassle to do
I was on a plain trip and the same happened to me on GTA V and Rockstar. Wanted to play the campain. Nope, had to be online... At least I didnt bought the game and I had other titles to play.
@@NightFoxZeroI guess that’s fair since I can buy one copy of a game and both my kid and I can play the same digital version at the same time. Like splatoon we only have a digital copy but we both play on our own account. Still the control that gives them makes me nervous for future play.
We really need to raise awareness about this kind of shit.
the fact I have friends unaware to how easy publishers
can take away their digital products in an instant compared
to owning a disc copy of the game - this future of gaming looks so pale.
Whether or not you buy games on a disc doesn't matter. Everyone who bought a physical copy of The Crew is still incapable of playing it, and every single digital game on GOG will be playable indefinitely. What really matters here is DRM.
Owing a physical copy doesnt matter in this case. This is not a digital only issue
@@EnvyOmicronagreed, as long as you have the game itself without the DRM you own it and nothing can take it from you unless they physically remove your hard drive or SSD.
@@darklex5150 that's the whole point of selling games DRM free - it's designed for you to own.
there's obvious exceptions like the optional Steam DRM which is only a disc check and can be bypassed easily and which is going to get removed if steam was ever to go down (to prevent file moving to refund it instantly and keep the game mainly, some devs don't use it regardless) but DRM itself ain't even the core issue.
On console e.g. Assassins Creed doesn't utilize any traditional DRM like on PC, they however got full control of being able to get the associated App ID blocked off if they no longer want you to play it - you can still play it if they did block it off, however only unpatched and after doing a factory reset.
Same as The Crew doesn't use any DRM, its an always on title, which automatically makes it a liability of loosing it.
+ I disagree on the GOG statement - GOG is great (or was great) until I bought a game that literally doesn't function but only on the GOG version, other DRM free versions as well as the Steam version however work flawless - with GOG constantly claiming that it'd be working for them while pretty much every review states that the game doesn't work. Only way to getting it to work is with their Galaxy launcher, and even then it's a broken mess while you can't even rely on Galaxy working properly. So it's a company that I definitely do not trust at all anymore. I rather have the Steam wrapper on a otherwise DRM free version and manually remove it if necessary instead of non-functional products that I can't get my money back on if they don't work.
Bro’s also a fan of Rainbow Six Vegas 2 💪 such an amazing game, especially with friends.
Theres tons of single player games that get abandoned too, a Prey(2005), Battle for Middle Earth and some other LoTRs games, etc come to mind
People had the too-early released Stellar Blade demo literally removed from their account. The repercussions and implications of this are terrifying. It means they can practically revoke any license you have *on the fly* as long as you're connected to the internet. They could technically also implement features so you're *required* to have an active internet connection even for disc-based games; they could also remove the offline/primary console features. You play due to their good will, which could change for any reason and at any moment. While the actual occurance is practically highly unlikely, the feeling that this is possible and has been applied already in a few rare instances is alarming.
This can't occur when you play on older original hardware or via emulator.
I still remember when Silent Hills was pulled from PS4s after they cancelled the game. There were PS4s that were selling for hundreds of dollars that had that game demo on it and were kept offline. Same thing happened then what to what's happening now.
Constant connection for disc-based games exists. That is not a possibility, it literally happens right now.
Unless you are meaning something else
"It means they can practically revoke any license you have on the fly"
That was on the terms of service, if you read it, you would know that.
@@ballinnn0430 Well despite what these companies think, I don't want a service. I want a singular product that they can't steal from me after I paid for it. It's scummy and disgusting. Even the once-beloved Bungie has done this by stealing $200 worth of game from everyone who purchased the first two years of Destiny 2 and its DLC.
@@ballinnn0430right but if you don’t agree to the TOS you can’t play the game anyway? What’s your point.
I remember reading a forum post over 5 years ago that mentioned something about the rights and entitlements we as customers have when buying games, and my memory is a little hazy so I'm not sure if a company rep. replied another user but I remember reading that when you buy a game, what you're paying for is a license to access the game, but you don't "OWN" any rights to the game. and when some people spoke out about this, other people went as far as to defend the companies and berate anyone who thought they were "entitled" to a game that they PAID for with their hard earned money. This was upsetting.
I think I remember this... Whatever the fact; gamers are everyone, its hard to find a rep. Like dude, u think someone like me can regulate this shi in government?
For the record, it doesn’t matter if you purchase a license to play the game, you can still sue a company if they revoke your license.
As long as an argument can be made that a company sold you a right to play the game and then revoked your ability to play that game for no justifiable reason, you can sue them for unethical practices, regardless of how many pages their terms of service are.
Doesn’t apply to mmos of course, but all single player games do fit in this category.
Do not believe the fearmongering these companies put out implying they can get away with selling you a license they can revoke at any time. Courts will not protect them from facing consequences for scamming people through fancy writing.
Whats confusing is most countries have different systems. But when it comes to say a French/Canadian company everyone expects them, or wants to to adhere to US rules because theyre the most free there.. While others want the EU laws to be adhered too. and depending on the situation or the cases in many instances you can pick the land of laws you want applied. Either way almost every country besides China get copyright and IP law wrong. Theres no such thing in a real free market.
Yeah, that's the excuse they always use and somehow nobody realizes that if you pay money for a product you don't get to own, that's called "renting", not "buying/purchasing". So, if a representative of a game publisher (or the EULA) says that, then they're literally admitting to having falsely advertised and deceived you about the nature of the transaction!
For AAA game titles like COD there should also be a option to transfer skins from older title or like actually linked to your account, there are people who have put money into skins or have unlocked some legendarys, in older title thy should also have access in newer title, it does sounds a bit of more work but those old skins will just rot away nost likely never to be used or seen after few more years, best example is COLDWAR skins to be transferred or used in mw3
YES! You are giving our man Ross some love! Thank you, Muta!
Fairly older example but when Overwatch 2 came out and they deleted Overwatch 1 I felt cheated out of a game. Sure it was an online FPS game but it was a game I payed full price for. What about the people that still want to play 6v6 overwatch 1 on a LAN or private server? That's when blizzard just gives you the middle finger and says "No you're having this and you're going to be happy about it". I have not touched that game in years at this point. Sad to say that no one will probably be able to play that game ever again unless someone cracks / pirates an old copy and creates their own servers...
Worse than that was when Blizzard deleted the classic version of Warcraft 3. I went to reinstall it for old times sake, and was prompted to buy and download the new Reforged version. I bought the classic version in 2019, not even that long ago, and now I have no ability to play it in any form.
Same feels for csgo, game went free then was subsequently deleted and replaced by a game I don't like. I know it was only 15 bucks but still feels shit. These days I look into all the details before I put my money forward, not because I'm tight, I just want to put my money in hands of people who actually deserve it. Smaller and smaller list everyday :(
@@JessieDoidgecsgo is still available tho
thats how i felt with destiny1 and 2
They have recreated the 6v6 in custom lobbies on OW2 but yeah its not the same
im so happy you're bringing awareness to this, accursed farms has been trying to get this looked at for ages
Just a side note that i thought of when you mentioned og ff7.
Rebirth is offline, nearly bug free, and complete. And it's fucking massive.
You can install from disc offline and enjoy EVERYTHING.
I still have the dvd/case the Riddick game came out with. It's an absolute fave of mine
The sad part is that this isn't the first time Ubisoft delisted a game before. One of my favourite games Driver San Francisco got delisted with little to no warning at around 2016 with the only way of playing it by either buying a physical copy for consoles or to emulate it.
the video of the guy buying it with subway gift cards like he's paying a tech support scammer
The good part is that Driver at least is playable, unlike The Crew.
@@AnekoGT Well... people knew that The Crew was always on.
So why buy a title where you're constantly required to be online if you want to own something?
For Driver San Francisco: You actually are only renting the files, they never sold the game as is to you - but if you have it on console you'll probably never loose access to it as I doubt that they're gonna push an update to make it unplayable there considering how old it is.
And that's the bigger issue here: Those companies haven't sold you products for over a decade now, and it has become industry standard because it works.
Hence why you only buy games on huge sales nowadays unless you read the contracts prior and someone actually sells you a game.
or you can just pirate it
Protectionism and copyright laws are main reason why anti ownership is growing honestly we the people have right to mod and pirate the game as long the game is expired license/abandoned
Nintendo: *Shocked Pikachu face*
@@Tahira204 To this day I still don't get why Nintendo decides to waste their money on lawsuits instead of making money by actually re-releasing stuff like a N64 or Gamecube with all games that had been released on the respective console.
They indeed do be having a shocked pikachu face if they ever try it and see how much money they could've made all along
if you own the steam/pc version of FF7 (original '97) there is a mod manager system called 7th heaven. can get 4k textures, 60fps, change character models, and even have voice acting put in. it's pretty great.
Not surprised. I've been saying this for years regarding digital games, but always told I was wrong or overflowing it.
In the words of Nux Taku "VINDICATION!"
the other day EA servers had a bug where players lost 1000s of hrs of progress and 1000s of dollars of cosmetics (was resolved and reset mostly by the following day)
but for 24hrs, Apex players were reminded that it could all disappear tomorrow and our only resolve to experience that same game again would be to lean on the private/modded client versions.
this is why i dont buy cosmetics or battlepasses in games, i know that in 5/10 years the game will most likely be dead and all that stuff i brought will be pointless - its like the idiots who have spent £1000's in games like Destiny 2 and GTA V Online, both of these games are nearing their end of life and no doubt people will be outraged when they learn all that digital stuff is worthless
Theres a modded version of apex legebds?
@@cvm2173yes, it's called r5reloaded
@@cvm2173R5 Reloaded
@@theaces3697 for battlepasses: the only proper way to ever buy them quite literally is only buying them once you're max level and if you get the money back from them.
they're a shitty system one way or the other (grind for the stuff you paid for) - but I call it fair game if you don't ever buy them before finishing them, makes you save a ton of money on cosmetics in games, and the sole reason they still exist is because most buy them straight away while quite a few people never finish them. If everyone would use them in the sense of "paying 10 bucks once, getting free paid cosmetics for years" they'd be long dead.
If I had it my way, abandonware should be a recognized term by the legal system where games that aren't being sold anymore should be exempted from piracy laws because there wouldn't be any legal way to play the games. Sure local businesses that do retro games is fine and all and I do support them but not everyone has one where they live
crew motorfest or whatever its called basically crew 3 was the 1st crew i played for over an hour and actually enjoyed it, problem is everytime i went to the bathroom or left the room or checked my messages, i would be kicked off server for being idle and get disconnected and booted to main menu and when id reload id be acorss the map in the starting zone and fast travel is not good in that game so id have to waste a lot of time driving back to where i was
long story short, i liked it, glad i got to play on free weekend trial and wouldnt buy it or any game that makes me need to be constantly connected to an online server like assassinc reed mirage which disconnected me everytime i paused the game to check something or send a message.
“It’s fun to goon with others, but sometimes you should have the right to goon by yourself”
- Some Ordinary Gamer
Thank you so much to bringing attention to Ross’s cause! Very respectable. He needs the support to make this happen! Share the video y’all !
We need a law that states: If you can't legally buy you can pirate it.
abandonware needs to become a law
So glad yours speaking out about this and supporting ross!!!
Video's like this, i wish i could upvote more than once.
I will say one thing though; in that even patching a game after launch to be playable offline, still kind of misses the point; because off the disk and with no access to online or a games online service, you can't install the 'offline patch'; and adding such a feature post-launch; is like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.
when ever they do that i ask "why didnt you do it in the first play" i mean offline is usually the default in game development engines when the game is always online its by choice.
@@irondoomable Yeah, exactly.
0:14 “I believe that game preservation is super important.”
*ROM intensifies*
Nintendo: And I took that personally
@@GardenData61371Pirates: How many times we have to teach you a lesson old man?
Seriously, shut down a website or an emulator, 3 new ones will be posted online under a week (and from what I heard, Yuzu's replacement isn't new, it's the same emulator re-branded).
Warning, "people using the black flag" is a no no word for the bots...
@@GardenData61371In any case, that old man will fail like they always do, they win a huge battle but like the hydra, cut one website or emulator off, 3 more will grow.
tbh they are just video games.. youd live fine without them.
Not only keeping the game in an offline state but providing a framework that at least keeps some of the multiplayer functionality working by allowing self hosting to some extent
it would be nice just for games not to require an Internet connection to function. It is won't happen but it's a nice thought
but Then they wouldnt be able to profit from it😮
@@iridiculous8662 sure they can, hogwarts sold pretty well
Sad to see all those Tales games on the delisted website! They are so good, especially Graces!
💯 absolutely why are ppl ok with this bs of just “borrowing”
Speaking of Grand Theft Auto V and removing content, there was an update last month that removed the Rockstar Editor from the PS4 and Xbox One versions of the game in order for them to fit more updates.
These publishers can add or remove anything, at any point, from their games. Truly the "you will own nothing and be happy" future they all want. Do not let them.
THEY WHAT?!!!!
Was the Rockstar Editor a free addition to GTAV? If so then that is fair what they did. If you paid for it, then yeah I would complain or ask what you are getting in return for it.
IIRC it is free and is used to record and edit videos of your playthrough right?
Yap yap yap bum 😹😹
@@mcgeorgeofthejungle6204It's one of the features advertised in trailers. If you bought the game only for creating video clips, you're screwed,
Wait, wait, wait. They really remove the goddamn director mode?
For fuck sake, and when I say Rockstar sucks, I'm in the wrong.
Ive been following Ross' content for a good number of years, glad to see you sharing it with your audience
When he said kidnap someone, I thought he meant in the game, I was like I don’t remember that part lol 😂
Reminds me of the ol 360 days. I lost both Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Scott Pilgrim, boy was I livid.
Mario Maker 1 is on the brink of death because of the consequences of Nintendo removing the internet functionality of the entirety of the Wii U. This in terms makes the game 99% unplayable except for the up to 120 levels you managed to save before they take down the internet. This change is occurring on April 8th. So basically all 10.6 million levels created in the game will not be preserved, and there will not be a way to access the hard work and level designs many creators spent their time and love on. The game basically becomes a glorified paperweight in just a few days. This also means that someday in the distant future, Mario Maker 2 will suffer the same fate on the Nintendo Switch. We are talking about a game that was a top ten best seller for the entire platform here, that still has quite a few active players to this day. A game that isn't even a decade old. A full priced game at the time as well. There needs to be a better system in place to preserve these titles as they are a part of video game history. And don't even get me started with what they did to Super Mario Bros 35 or Pac-Man 99. While the latter has some singleplayer functionality, the former doesn't even ALLOW us to play the SINGLE-PLAYER practice mode. For whatever reason, you are required to be online for that, so we can't even enjoy the nostalgia of the SMB35 unique game specific physics. And of course both games are inaccessible in the eshop.
I'm pretty sure there's a backup of a lot of Super Mario Maker levels...
Welcome to Little Big Planet. 3 still has it's servers up last time I checked, but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong.
Used to spend days and days making levels for LBP2, had a decent amount of plays and hearts, and it'll all be gone some day.
is not fully unplayable you could recreate the levels you see on youtube with the editor
@@doctorbrown5957 Last I checked its been temporarily down for months. So...
Fuck Mario maker. SPLATOON’S WHOLE POINT IS THE MULTIPLAYER. WHO PLAYS JUST FOR THE OFFLINE MODE? Splatoon will seriously be struck hard
I want to sue Activision, 6 months of cod not launching on my PC and support being born yesterday feeding me bullshit script answers
Did you even try getting a refund?
@@existentialselkath1264 laughs in 60 hour playtime and a year after purchase
@@ssndob6202 so your chances aren't great, but did you try? if you think they owe you your money back (which would be the intention of a suit) you'd at least ask for your money back first?
Refunds aren't just for not liking something in the first few hours. Refunds are often about a product not functioning.
@@existentialselkath1264 thank you for that I always thought about the timeframe and playtime rule. I’m going to ask in the next email if I could get a refund
makes no sense, works for me
One other little "nugget" about live service games is that even in campaigns or in solo mode they have to constantly sync. So it introduces desync issues where natively ran games had zero issues with.
Muta: gets 2 texts
Me: angrily checks my phone only to see him look at his phone... you have now entered the twilight zone
Thank you for doing a video on this. The Crew isn't a super major game so I'm happy it's deletion is getting more attention. The Crew wasn't the best game but it holds a ton of memories for me and my friends and not being able to even just hop on and drive around in a product I paid for is insane.
I liked it because I like bikes and for whatever reason it was one of maybe 3 games with bikes in it.
A few nights ago I was attempting to get as many “the crew” trophies as I could. I had to complete two story missions with a platinum medal to get the trophy. All of a sudden I was kicked and I couldn’t join back in. That was that. The end. I have to live with an in-completed trophy and a game I can’t play anymore forever. So sad. I hope a law passes that they HAVE to provide an offline patch.
If you ever jailbreak your PS4 you may be able to give yourself these trophies, you have to jump through so many hoops to achieve this though.
Hopefully someday on PC someone will mod it
@@Jak2bossbf3I have to imagine someone or a group of people are already looking into it so it's likely it could happen, reminds me of the GT Sport situation where it got an offline patch after the servers shutdown
Whenever we talk about preserving video games i always remember "Evolve" even if it was a massive flop, i had a absolute blast with my pals playing it. It could be played off line and you could host it if i'm not terrebly mistaken. Now it's gone forever So sad
I love the guessing game of how unhinged Muta will be. His primary objection to kidnapping someone off the street being "that would be against TOS" was a good barometer.
I watched the video of Accursed Farms yesterday. I think Muda giving a shoutout to him is really amazing because we DO need companies to stop this practice of deleting video games should be illegal. If they remove games or make them unplayable they should give 100% refund.
The burning of Library of Alexandria cost us a thousand years of knowledge, Same thing will happen to old video games....
cringe example more like if internet archive gets shut down it will be that
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it you clearly want to forget and let bad practices continue.@@Yoshizuyuner
Easy captain try hard
@@blowmonkey51 I mean I get it, people have spent all their money on steam games and now they just discovered they don't actually own those games and its by design, back in the day we used to have Cartridges and CDs and DVD, these companies are more than able to provide physical copies, its not like the technology have disappeared from existence, File sharing is game publishers worst enemy and its the reason why denuvo and anti cheat software even exist to begin with
@@Dream_scape47 GOG actually lets you own your games which i gotta give them that respect.
Thank you for promoting this!
Ah split-screen. I remember in college when we tried to do a MW2 system link party. No problem doing a four-person split screen match, but link those 360s together and suddenly it's "one man per console".
This has been happening over and over in the background for years and no one talks about it. Game called "H1z1 Just Survive", you bought the game, developers shut down the servers, you can no longer access it in any way shape of form. It wasnt even an old game or a dead game they just decided to go all in on their battle royale game because the genre was trending at the time. No refunds from the dev company or steam were issued. Its literally theft. You cant sell someone a car and then remotely deactivate it (yet) that is essentially what this is.
They're planning that car thing for the future sadly.
If restaurants did this with food - where they want it back after we already paid full price and consumed it - we'd be ALL OVER that. We absolutely need to hold publishers to the same standard.
If they take away the game, then I want my money back.
Agreed
That's an absolutely dumb comparison.
1) You literally don't sign a contract if you buy food at a restaurant.
2) That's precisely what loads of companies did for the past 15 years, have you sign a contract (and gave you links to them beforehand) that you don't buy a game but a license that can be revoked at any time with the product not being sold to you.
Not to mention that people have been warning about it ever since it started - no one cared tho and still wanted to play e.g. Far Cry 3 or Battlefield 3.
You’re so right about this I’m going to have to upgrade my Xbox from the digital version to the series x because I want to preserve a gta 6 disc doesn’t deserve to be downloaded