100 year Anniversary Webley Mark 1 air pistol, how does it compare: Abas Acvoke HW45 vintage airgun
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- We celebrate a masterpiece, compare it to it's contemporaries and learn why it's such a fantastic air pistol design.
I put 14 air pistols through their paces, testing accuracy, power and usability.
Friend of the channel John Griffiths tells us all about the history, what came before, what happened along the way, and what came after.
We finish off with a celebratory fun shoot at Bisley.
Enjoy!
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Probably one of the best videos of seen on stripping down a WEBLEY pistol,the rest of the content is fascinating to watch,thanks this has renewed my interest in pistols 👍
Job done, thanks
Excellent. Thank you.
Thanks
Great collection. Thanks for showing!
As an avid collector of Wembley pistols and especially the MK1, it was great to watch all three up against the competition and do so well. 😊
A great celebration of these classics. Bravo.
Superb video and expertly researched and presented. Ptdunk. Many thanks.
Thanks mate
Best video ever of airpistol strip down and history you voice is very calming too thanks for sharing it pal.
Thanks mate
In my opinion, having owned the Webley of 1980s vintage (gave it to my brother), the HW45 is indeed superior in many ways, especially the trigger. Mine is match light, and ridiculously competent in these days when it’s impossible to fire a real pistol in the UK - unless your job is guarding the powers that shouldn’t be, and your hobbies are rewarded with prison sentences.
The build quality is also very robust, it feels serious in the hand, behaves sufficiently like the real thing, and it can dispatch rats.
And although the HW45 is modelled on the 1911, it’s my service HP-9 that it’s a stand-in for.
Very well done and interesting video though. You’ve inspired me to get my Sterling HR out. I seem to recall it needs some work.
Thank you, great clip very informative.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it
Amazing to see a side by side especially sinds most are rare these days, well done and thank you 👍
Thanks, it was interesting to compare them all like this, I learnt a lot myself.
I had one in the 1970,s , brilliant way to learn to shoot safely , under adult supervision , 👍 .
The section that covered the Abas Major took me back to the John Atkins stories regarding these air pistols. One such story was quite funny, recalling the time he had won an informal shoot out using a discarded medicine bottle as the target against a friend and his revered vintage Webley pistol.
John Atkins got in touch after seeing this video to say how much he enjoyed it, and that my post war mk1 is surprisingly powerful. He also liked the Webley cake! I do miss his articles in Airgunner, I was very disappointed that he wasn’t carried over to the new Airgun world mag. Maybe he’ll contribute to a video!
Brilliant video. A great job done. Thoroughly enjoyed watching this as a fan of Webley.
Very Excellent! Thanks
I first became familiar with the Webley Pistols in the early 1980's while in my early 20's. I never owned one but had a friend that sold them so I shot them a lot back then. This was the second video I have watched of yours so I am a new sub really enjoying your content thanks 😊
Thanks very much, and welcome to the channel 😊
Lovely summary video! I own Hurricane and HW45- nice pistols.
Excellent video.
Very nice - I still have a Tempest in .177
What a great video, thank you very much.
My father had one which I used when I grew up, and I agree it's a classic. But! I then purchased a Hi Score .22 pistol and never looked back as this is a beautiful ultimate design as some pcp's are now using this cylinder over barrel idea -40 years on I now wish I had never sold it.
I agree the Hyscore is a brilliant design, I have the UK version that came out in the 90's and it's a great air pistol. I'll do a review on it in the future and maybe test the accuracy in the same way. Thanks
What a brilliant professional video. I subscribed a few years ago and have enjoyed all your videos. I have over 30 pistols in my collection, including three Webleys, an early Hurricane, a Junior, and a Premium Mk2 B series which I only acquired last month. I've been after a good one for years because in the mid 1960's when I was a boy I saved up and had the choice of a Webley Premium or an American Hyscore, both about the same price. I chose the Hyscore because it resembled a Luger P08, which all boys my age lusted after. I still have the Hyscore, and I'm looking forward to comparing it with the Premium to see if I made the right choice all those years ago.
The Hyscore is a very good pistol so best to have both. Better late than never! Enjoy
Excellent vid, thnx boss!
thanks for that great video.
Glad you liked it
"WOW = super interesting! Thanks." I dunno what else to say...
... except, even the cake impressed me! :)
Thanks mate
I had a Diana model 5 hand me down when I was a kid, 45 years ago. I can still remember the sights and handgrip, I have exactly the same views as yours, which makes me feel better, I was not just me being an awful shot.
It wasn’t you, they are definitely tricky to shoot
I have one too. My sights are different than in the video. Mine are more square. Apparently there are different versions.
Great video. Thanks
Glad you liked it, cheers
👏🏼🧐 капитальный труд, час пролетел незаметно. Настоящая видеоэнциклопедия 😁👍
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it
Good job. How about a review of the MK.2 Service Air-Rifle which i believe was an upscaled version of the Mark 1 pistol?
yep ive had the same one since the sixtys it was grandads before
Built to last! Cheers
That was epic
I'm 53 and crazed my parents to buy me an air rifle when I was like 12 or so and in the end they bought me a brand new Webley Tempest from Andy Cochranes in Wisbech. I must have put thousands of pellets through it at the bottom of the garden. It's only ever been serviced the once back in like 1994 but still seems to work just like it always has over 40 years later. To be honest it was better my parents bought me such a quality pistol rather than a cheaper rifle. It still lives at my parents in the orginal box as I moved to the City as an adult. I fired a few shots with it just last year. Good times.
Nice one, my first Webley pistol was a Tempest which is still my favourite one to shoot, they are very pointable! Cheers
@@dkjngl1 Yeah what is funny is that there is a real knack to cocking the thing. I as a 13 year old had it down pat but I could hand it to a strapping adult and they would struggle. It's all in the angles of the gun and the wrist.
Absolutely, and the Tempest is much easier to cock than the mk1
I purchased my Tempest in the early 80’s and still own it.
i have hw45 and i find haides by jsb are good also take a coil off the spring and dress .,for a smooth cycle
My brother and I used to plink away down the side of the family home with his Webley Junior air pistol that our grandfather had given him. One time we were taking turns shooting at a match box when one of our shots ricocheted off the paving slab and hit dad who was walking up the garden on his ankle! He didn't 'arf curse at us while we fell out in hysterics😁
Ha! Don’t try this at home 😊 cheers
Brought one 1985 old enough then happy birthday 🎉🎉🎉
Think I got my Tempest in 1988 so not long after. great pistols
I still have an early Webley Premier that is still in fair condition. My only wish is that they had kept the grip shape of the Mk1. Even with my smaller hands i find the grip slightly too small for comfort. The amount of imitators proved that Webley had a wiñing design. They were so well engineered that they are extremely durable.
I like the older, steel Webley models; my favorite being the Mark 1 slant grip. I prefer the shorter barrel stroke of the Mark 1, over the reduced effort, but longer stroke, Senior.
A really excellent review of the Mk1 Webley ! And a very enjoyable comparison test, I have always wanted a Westly Richards Highest Possible", but I can see it is less than efficient of a design, the "Concentric " looks very similar to the Accles & Shelvock, was that built under licence? Chris B.
Do you mean the Acvoke? That was recognised as more of a copy of the little Tell 2 by Venus waffenwerk but yes I see what you mean, the concentric is almost identical, apart from the breech closer locking mechanism. Interesting, thanks.
My dad gave me one of these when I was 6 or 7. I had a job to cock it. I also had a similar WW1 rat pistol for use in the trenches. It looked like the Webey but the cocking lever was in a groove in the butt and you had to fold it out straight and push it in to cock it. The spring was too strong for me at that age.
That’s ver interesting, I have never heard of an air pistol being used against rats I ww1. I wonder what it was? Thanks
Just remembered. It was aTitan .177 cal.
It may not have been military issue but that's what I was told. But that was over 60 years ago. I think they were made from around 1910
Ah yes, I asked on a forum and the Titan was suggested, although no one had ever heard of ratting in the trenches with air pistols. Very interesting thank you. Do you know anymore, were the titans effective?
@@dkjngl1 No I don't but my father dealt in antiques specialising in arms and armour. As a child I was always being taken to castles and frequently the Tower of London where he bought swords, pistols, muskets etc.
Our house was full of antique weapons, polearms edged weapons and firearms. He had original suits of armour, duelling pistols, so many things. He was very knowledgeable and had contacts in the military so I think he was probably right about its use.
Maybe he got a first hand account from the original owner. Thats very interesting, thank you.
I had a new Webley in the early 90s, whatever mark that was. Couldn’t hit the side of a barn with it. 😢
You just have to stand closer to the barn 😊
What kind of pellets are you using?
Different ones for different pistols. Mine are all most accurate with either JSB express, AA field, Bisley practice or Falcon accuracy +. All in 4.52, and I test the pistols to see which pellet is most accurate for which pistol. Cheers
I think and correct me if im wrong the Acvoke was used in the movie “IF” with Malcolm Macdowel.
You’re quite right, I think he shoots darts out if it, not ideal for a rifled barrel! Since this vid I have acquired an Akvoke and although the build quality is not quite as exquisite as the Webley’s or Abas’s it’s certainly high quality and a phenomenal shooter. Cheers
Great viewing.Thank you.
I had a similar one i think it was the hurricaNe cocking lever barrel
Ah yes, the hurricane features at the end of the video
Mine had 'tin' grips and believe it was pre WW1.
Sold it - wish I hadn't?
It sounds like the tin grip junior 1930-1940
Great video, very informative thanks!
You noticed that it would be hard to purchase an air pistol this nice today, however this isn't really true. Weihrauch still makes a couple of pistols with very similar design even if the aesthetic is different. The HW40 is a single stroke pneumatic of a similar design and is less than 200€. Beeman makes a cheaper version too.
I know mate but the HW40 is moulded plastic, hardly comparable to machined and polished blued steel. The HW40 isn’t a spring pistol either, but a single stroke pneumatic, and without the recoil is a very different shooting experience. Good pistols though as you say. Cheers
@@dkjngl1 Personally I prefer quality plastic to most alloys out there, and all the important bits are steel. The only downside I'd say is the cock on close which is pretty hard and can make you touch the rear sight, not ideal.
Webley made a similar pneumatic pistol back in the 90’s called the Nemesis. Much easier to shoot accurately that the spring pistols but as you say, hard to compress. Cheers
Webley really ought to produce a centenary tempest.
Also, great video. Thanks so much for posting this. 👏👏👏👏👏
They brought out a limited edition Webley Tempest ‘Centennial’ 2000 made a few years back. They were made in Turkey though, not Birmingham
the BSA magnum 240 also works this way.
I believe the barrel on the 240 magnum remains fixed on the main body of the pistol, and only the top cover is used to cock the pistol, but yes very similar.
Yes the 240 barrel remains parallel to the cylinder whilst the overlever pivots across the top using two wire straps that draws back the piston towards the muzzle. These pistols have an awkward transfer port that wouldn't appear to work at all efficiently but infact they seem to do the job rather well. The mark 1 version had a fixed 'O' ring sealing the breech and mark 2 versions have a securing grub screw to enable easier replacement, I guess.
I have one of each both in .177 calibre in excellent condition that chrono at approximately 500fps using RWS Hobby and a tad faster using RWS Super H. On a good day I usually can hit a hanging pellet tin at 20 yards which is great fun!
I have designed a blued steel airpistol based on the tell 3 and am currently making the 2nd one, I have found however that the trigger mechanism, which I based of one of the tell 3 mechanisms, is somewhat heavy. Do you know if the tell 3 had this problem too? Cheers.
Hi, I don’t own a tell 3 but have been offered one to do a similar video test with. If I do one I’ll be sure to have a good look at the trigger. My contact details are in the channel bio, I’d be interested to see your remake. Cheers
@@dkjngl1 Thank you for your response. That would make for an interesting video since Tell 3's are quite rare. I'll send some pictures this afternoon. Cheers.
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@@dkjngl1 I've accepted your link. Cheers
I love my Webley 'Premier' They just don't make Air Pistols to this standard anymore Unfortunately
Does any company have any spare parts as I have a webly that looks alot like the WR but the thumb catch does not work and needs to be replaced.
In the U.K.? Try ‘Protek supplies’ and ‘airgunspares’ both online
To bad you did not test the IZH46m
Not really on a level playing field!
Disappointed to see that the Lincoln Jeffries was not included in the first group
Interesting, when I was asking around for suggestions for mk1 competition the Lincoln pistol never came up. Not sure how accurate they are but I would love to try one.
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I had a Webley & Scott Tempest as a 10 year old 1980, i wish i had kept it bloody idiot.
i have a mk1 No 7150 which i know has been in the snowball family since new does anybody know when it would have been made and any idea of worth although i wont be selling it Ron Snowball
Hi Ron, according to Gordon Bruce’s book it’s an early s.n, probably late 1924 - early 1925. I assume it has straight grips, safety catch and no trigger adjusting screw?
Correct
Good stuff, so yes a very early one from 1924-1925. Cheers
If you're shooting a pistol for maximum accuracy you should be using one hand. Kinda like the Turkish guy.
I think you mean minimum accuracy, two handed is obviously more stable. The only thing me and that Turkish guy have in common is the t-shirt 😊 cheers
@@dkjngl1 you're very wrong. Do some research. Two handed shooting is to allow for faster follow up shots with a centrefire. For maximum accuracy pistol target shooting is done with one hand to reduce the effects of disturbance due to muscle tremor.
That may be how two handed shooting initially developed.... one handed target pistol shooting developed from the time when people participated in duels, where you would stand side on to your opponent to offer them the minimal target for them to shoot at. In this position you can only use one hand. The tradition of this shooting position is carried on today. Having done plenty of single handed 10m air pistol shooting I can assure you that two handed shooting is much more stable, unless maybe you are an Olympic level pistol shooter? It does depend on the pistol though, an Olympic 10m match pistol is not ergonomically suited to two handed shooting.
@@dkjngl1 it's based in an understanding of human physiology that one handed is theoretically more accurate for deliberate fire. In practice it is. Personally I can produce smaller groups one handed. Of course if I was shooting a Glock in a dynamic situation I'd mostly be using two hands if they were both working.
I’m less than 2 minutes in but wonder, did this “ fantastic design” suffer from bent barrel due to cocking?
Not that I'm aware of, after ww2 the barrels had a reinforced knurled section added.
knurling not fluting
Ah yes, I’ve called it knurling on previous videos, I probably got confused as they are horizontal lines not cross hatching? Never mind
I have similar Webley & Scott I bought for a few quid about forty years ago. There is no blueing on it and the metal is pocket marked from rust etc, but it still works like new, not many new airguns will ever beat that in my opinion. Very well used over its history as most of the metal etched grip lines between the front of the grips has been worn off with use.
Production of the first airguns by Webley & Scott were from 1924 with the MK 1 having a straight grip and then 1935-1964 with a slanted grip which is the grip mine has.
I put a quick vid on my youtube channel if anyone is curious. It is a bit of an ugly duckling though.
Details of my gun:-
I believe it is a MK 1 pre war model with a dubious history from the way the serial number has been deliberately scored out.
Barrel end has 089 stamped into it.
GB PATENT NO 219872
USA PATENT NO 7-7-25
CANADA PATENT NO 1925