US Navy’s Most Controversial Warships
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The littoral combat ships have arguably been the most problematic US Navy procurement program in the recent history, as many of them have been and will be decommissioned prematurely. But what is going to happen to these ships, is #NotWhatYouThink #NWYT #longs
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I like you ending Song vibe😂❤
Kind of crazy how they didnt forsee the future corrosion that will happen to these vessels while they were being designed and worked on, like how didnt they know about aluminum being this unreliable
What the song you sang at the end of the video called?
7:23 I have an idea. We put one of those decoy ships behind every ship. Big brain.
Omg the ending was glorious haha xD i did not expect that, love it! lol
"But what they didn't anticipate was that the Independence would corrode away, and the Freedom would break down"
That's Definitely Not What You Think, isn't it?
yeah I was wondering too if the narrator was talking about the ships or the country!
@@WontSeeReplies How much do they pay you my good russian sir?
nice comment history 😂
@@Yikeo wtf, its Not JSU's fault, these incompetent losers blow our money on shit weapons system that are so short sightly designed, blow out the already rediculous budget with absolutly stupid maintanance costs.... and to lower said maintanance cost we spend even more to offset those cost, which cost even more... its like our biggest enemy is the retards withhin.....
It’s not what you think…it’s worse.
It's like a metaphor for the United States. Once a beacon of freedom and independence. Maybe we can patch it up and keep this money pit going for another hundred years. Like the B52 fleet.
"if i was richer i would bring back the fletcher" got me laughing so much more then i expected to
Huge amount of money going into lower quality construction. Sounds like a big corruption job with a lot of money being pocketed.
I bet like half the navy pays for is used by the companies to stuff the pockets of the politicians to keep the ships in service
Yeah. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is all because of corruption.
Might be. However, it's not what you think 😄
The Navy has a directorate responsible for engineering quality - NAVSEA 05. They pointed out all the problems YEARS before delivery. When they were ignored, they refused to sign off on the designs. The ships were built despite their objections - with easily predictable results.
Yes, I'm sure there's corruption. A rational explanation could be also that they tried too many innovations at once, creating an expensive fleet of worthless ships that don't work, instead of the desired cheap and effective ships
The issues with the Zumwalt class made the LCS issues look minor
What issues with them? The Navy just changed their minds. It seems to be a pretty good ship actually.
@@TheBooban Exactly. Nobody seems to be taking about how the plans for the Zumwalts have changed from being a weird stealthy rail gun platform to a huge stealthy hypersonic missile platform. And even putting their capability aside, the lessons that the USN learnt from the Zumwalt program were and are invaluable.
The navy is trying to jump feet first into electric motor driven ships also with the new Constitution Class Frigates instead of making the all diesel Fast Spearhead Class USNS into a missile pea shooter. Bio Diesel is also a initiative in the Navy.
The issues with the Zumwalts weren't fundamental to the design, they're mostly to do with heinous cost-cutting and order-cutting which meant they didn't get the radar they were supposed to have and so few were ordered that their gun rounds lost anything resembling an economy of scale. Nothing as absurd as somehow forgetting that galvanic corrosion exists and so it's not ok to attach an aluminium box to a steel box.
@@CruelestChris The gun seems like a bad idea from the outset though. Missiles are longer range, more accurate, and more powerful than the gun, the gun was designed for shore bombardment which would require getting within enemy missile range meaning you have to either take out the enemy defenses first (either with missiles yourself or with aircraft, which also means dealing with most of the enemy air defenses and all after gaining air dominance) or it means getting tons of missile defenses around the Zumwalt. Not only do you need to be producing at high volume to get the economy of scale for the gun to break even vs missiles but you also need to have that much use for them as well, which means using the ships often in place of missiles and since you can use the same missiles on a variety of platforms but only use the gun and ammo on 1 ship class that means either a fleet of these or getting tons of use out of the ones you've got. Since the US doctrine tends to favor missiles over artillery in general that makes it really difficult to get that much use out of the comparatively niche gun when compared to the more flexible missiles. Since naval combat is often about who can hit who first that means range and accuracy are king and that makes it so missiles are more useful against other ships meaning the gun is best for land targets but the shorter range vs missiles limits its use.
As a truck driver, I pulled aluminum tub trailers of bulk ag products. Cracking was a constant problem. I don’t understand why the Navy didn’t see that coming.
Aluminum cracks like crazy. You can't just weld it back together. I dont know how to explain it exactly but the metal doesnt work like carbon or stainless steal at all
They already know about this problems, during Falkland war some British ship sunk mostly because of uncontrollable fire. Aluminium melting point are weaker than steel
Because they didn't care. The Admirals that pushed those lemons on the Navy retired and now work for defense contractors. A high paying gig when they get out is their reward.
I served on an Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate. It had an aluminum cracking problem in the superstructure. The equipment room for the illumination radar was always getting new cracks.
Ticonderoga class cruisers also had problems with cracks. The issues were known, they just didn't care.
@@cucuawe465 hell, during WWII some japanese cruisers had aluminium superstructure (to cut displacement and costs) and US Navy observed from front seats (and directly contributed to) how shitty this turned out
If you'll notice the trimaran design of the hull, these ships are to some extent aerodynamically supported at speed. Given those performance requirements, aluminum is attractive because its strength to weight is superior to steel. That's why aircraft (and these LCS are in some sense ships with minor aircraft-like qualities) extensively use aluminium despite the horrendous maintenance issues - because the weight savings are worth it. Except of course in this case I'm guessing that decision drove the program's development costs way above what was reasonable
0:57 WOW! 🤣🤣 "Oh good god, Lemon!" That looks like it has just inches of clearance!
How do you know you’ve made it in TH-cam when you have enough confidence to make a parody song about multibillion dollar ships.
He made the song? i look for it. but thats not CeeLo Green singing it.
@@mr.longtrail9960 Nothing gets past this guy.
That little song has me seriously wondering if making more Fletcher class destroyers wouldn't have been a better use of resources than the LCS program. One one hand, Fletchers are very outdated. On the other hand, they're seaworthy.
At least the ships are there. In Malaysia, our LCSs are so stealthy litterally no one could see it, not even the Navy. 😏
I love the personality put into these videos while still managing to be heavily focused on delivering information in a mostly fair manner.
That's really sad. I'm in the French Navy. We were always impressed by the look of these ships. Sad they were flawed.
When you focus on the looks more than others.
It's why they cut the Zumwalt down too. The Zumwalt appears to be a good ship. But the Navy is not getting screwed again.
I liked the look of the Independence class. So futuristic, like they've come straight out of an episode of Gerry Anderson's 'Thunderbirds'.
You guys sure you don't want these ships? We'll sell them to you real cheap!
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They are for sale 🙂
That song at the end was everything
They aren't totally useless, they could be used as target practice.
that would make them more useless
There so useless that japan,china and iran is making ships similar in role to the LCS...lets just hope that this kind of thinking on the LCS doesnt bite you back in the ass
Or artificial reefs?
Diving on shipwrecks is fun.
Or made into coke cans.
When you mentioned that the Spruance destroyer Paul F Foster is used as a test ship, I remember the last test ship the Navy had, the USS Norton Sound (AVM-1). I believe the last system she tested was the Mk-41 VLS. We should have built new frigates.
I tested all the pipe on multiple lcs Independence ships. They were cool, but we all were skeptical of the structure. No part of it could even take a rifle round.
But it ran like a giant jet ski with missile launchers lol it was still pretty freaking sweet lol
Loved the ending song, very eloquent and on point. Subbed
The navy may want to forget this ship but I surely won't forget the song at the end!
Can I get a full version of the end song?
Absolute charming
US Navy was so into bigger ships they forgot how to make smaller ships.
Seems the big ones also have big problems.
Navy’s big ship also have big problems.
@@royhuang9715 US shipyards have a pretty good track record with big ships, the Arleigh-Burke Class, San Antonio Class, America Class, and Gerald R. Ford Class are high quality ships. The only failed large ship project that actually got to the construction phase was the Zumwalt Class.
"When life gives you Lemons, build a fleet" And then don't.
It’s a shame they so poorly made because they look really nice, especially the Independance Class
Nice meal for Chinese ASM 🙂
@@CyberSystemOverload They'll be retired so more Destroyers that have much more advanced technology than their chinese counterparts can be built
I thought that the Independence-class LCS looked like it would be awesome as a private yacht. Strip out all the military parts. Reinforce all the weak points, that may not be as weak when the ship weighs a lot less. And make it all like a comfortable mansion/resort. If I had a budget for a mega-yacht, I'd try to get one. But since I don't, it doesn't matter.
That song at the end …..was marvellous
I love the Seinfeld references to explain the ship's "problem" 🤣🤣🤣
Fun fact: I made the last Naval takeoff and landing on the IX-514 before it was stricken from the US Naval registry in 2011.
Scrapping cost a lot of money . That's why the navy sold the Kitty Hawk for one dollar .
She should have been a museum ship
Aluminum hulls will 100% of the time crack as aluminum does not have a fatigue limit. I'm not going to go into the depth of what that is, look it up. As strange as it might sound it's a bad thing. The Navy is long experienced this with the Ticonderoga, OHP, AB class ships with aluminum superstructures. The problem was that the cracked developed in places that no provisions had really been made for access to repair.
Aluminum is a problem when ever it gets welded. There's always risk that the weld will be weaker and cracks produced.
If it were not for the structural issues and I was rich I’d probably have bought one as a yacht because they look great
In what way?! Ships should have curves, not facets.
@@Hammerandhearth maybe your the only one here that doesn't like this cool Sexy ships
@@Hammerandhearth I am a person that strongly prefers ships with harsh edges over curves.
The structural problems are just with the Independence class.
@@paulschab8152 well great, now I just need to be unfathomably wealthy
Loved the song at the end! you have a great singing voice!
0:28 whenever they lay these huge ships in the water like that, I just always think its gonna sink like a rock, roll over or the hull breaks or something. If you watch the laying of some superyachts its always by like 5 different cranes and very gently etc
They have to withstand extremes so it's better to test it on its first contact with water than to ignore it
Maybe this is why they have cracks, actually 😂
Launching a seagoing ship is rough like that because it can easily afford to be. The hull and major equipment is complete, but they still need massive amounts of fitting out, and nothing easy to install or delicate (weapons, sensors, accomodations, galley equipment, etc) is in place yet.
For a superyacht, they're mostly complete and outfitted before being launched, they aren't designed to handle heavy seas like a seagoing ship, and the customer is not likely to appreciate that kind of treatment in the first place.
@@wyattroncin941 It depends on the superyacht. There are plenty that are designed to handle ocean crossings, in any weather bar hurricanes. Like Nordhavn 120 and 148, Bering Yacht 120, 125 and 145. And of course many many sailing yachts and superyachts.
@@fridaycaliforniaa236
No, that's because of corrosion.
This channel never ceases to amaze me
Seeing a Greek frigate in this video made me afraid of Greece buying these lemons
0:51 That's so crazy they can just buggy around an entire ship like that. I mean, I know they move rockets and space shuttles at Kennedy Space Center but still; blows my mind. The amount of wheels you'd need to spread the tonnage across them is wild. Concrete is probably like 36" thick with extra reinforcement and footers.
10:27 Best part.
I remember hearing from someone in Navy ship design at GD BIW that the LCS Independence ships were P.O.S. and they even had told the Navy this before one was built. They expected the aluminum issues as well as the Hull cracking issues.
That song at the end was magnificent. And I too, would bring back the Fletcher
How good these ships could of been if they actually worked
Well. It's really easy to show in a CGI animation a flying carrier at mach 25 shooting laser... It's quite funny how nowdays, wet dream of maniacs are shown as innovation while it doesn't work and never will because law of nature exist, even if you have trillions to fight them...
I wouldn't doubt that they would be pretty good but definitely not the best
pretty much teethless yachts that are supposed to go on long distance patrols but can't carry enough supplies or carry enough equipment to do all their missions
Roughly as good as your grammar. It's "could have".
These things couldn't have worked. They'd need a full redesign. They wouldn't look the same, they wouldn't function the same. They would be considerably different ships.
@@milanmaletic3997 he speaks gooderer grammar than you
"So that is how Freedom dies - due to budget reassignment."
Cars 2 predicted them being lemon ships, cause in the movie the LCSs are depicted working with the lemon or beater cars.
The ending song was just perfection
You got my sub with that ending song. Perfect.
The ones being decommed are the early ones, that have "unfixable" issues. The one being retained have the 'lessons learned' included to make them usable. They are basically corvettes or large patrol craft, not meant to be warfighters, like the DDGs.
The issues weren’t “un-fixable”.
It just that fixing them required them to be slipped in the same building slip for rebuild. So they decided to build new ones as a priority rather than fix the first four in each class right now.
Once the build program is finished the ships are supposed to be reslipped and rebuilt to the newer ships standards with the faulty transmissions being cut out of the hull and replacing and thicker hull materials where fractures occurred.
would they release the ships as a civilian ship? and I like the song at the end of the video it have some groove to it
For a ship that large? Its a possibility, except they said it's high maintenance. Which in some cases probably not.
The Austal company will happily sell you a version of the Independence class for about half the price the US Navy is paying (the extra military equipment isn’t cheap). They also build coastal fast ferries in the same configuration.
The key word is “Coastal” / “Littoral”, these ships were never designed for deep water naval operations.
I was in the US Navy from September 2006 to January 2013 and I remember hearing about these ships and how they were so cool and they would be so amazing. Then silence for a long time. Interesting to find out more information.
this content just gets better and better
wow that song at the end, brilliant
I'm pleasantly surprised by your singing voice.
What always baffled me about the LCSs was the fact that there are a lot of great corvette designs out there that could have been used as a template to make something useful!!! Off the top of my head you have the Israeli Saar VI and the Turkish one too (Sorry, I forgot what it's called!). Hell you could even go back to the Badr class corvettes that we (USA) built for the Saudis back in the 1980's!!! Update the electronics and some of the weapons and you'd have yourself a solid little ass-whipper for the Persian Gulf, the Caribbean, the Sea of Japan or wherever you don't need your heavy hitters!! You could even make several different types. Have some for ASW and coastal convoy escorts, some with a surface warfare or land attack bent and maybe even a few with an antiaircraft focus if you want mix it up. The military in general has a fetish for making one platform do 500 different things and they almost never work!! Not to mention if you make them well from the beginning that export market will come to you rather than you begging all of South America to take your crap like it's a crummy flea market!!!
the Turkish one called MİLGEM Ada (Island) Class
@@CidavuKK ,thank you very much!! It seems like a pretty solid design!
that song was incredible, thank you for that
*Those ships were a littoral waste.*
I love your content man! So informative on topics I dont even think about,.
"Freedom break down... A lot" somehow this phrase is poetic.... this describes the democracy situation
The new Freedom-class ships (I.E. USS Minneapolis-St Paul) have fixed almost all the problems of the early production ships. We're still building them and I don't think we'll stop.
Problem is almost everyone get fixated on the first lead ships of each new class. And never look of the later fixed ships of the class. Or look at history as almost just about every new class of ship for the U.S. Navy have been a shitshow to end all shitshows. Before they been fixed and the fixes incorporated into the later ships of the class.
So what? Are you going to send one of those ships close to China and hope it will survive there?
Dumbass. Even LCS fixed all its mechanical problems, it’s still a piece of shit. It’s weapon system could only fight terrorists with AK-47s or Pirates with RPGs. You do not need to spend $70million per year per hull to fight AK-47s/RPGs. USCG got plenty good ship designs for this role.
LCS can’t survive in littoral water of China or Russia or Iran or North Korea. And that’s the biggest problem, LCS are useless.
Freedom Class built by Fincantieri / Marionette will never be reliable with the absolutely unreliable Isotta Franchini diesel generators aboard. How the US navy allowed these well-known POS of iron onboard is worth discussion but you cant run a ship without power and that's been a major issue aboard. Keep our navies shipbuilding and prime movers all U.S. with no foreign subcontractors like Austal or Fincantieri, So stupid on so many levels.
Just rename them to Clitoral combat ships. It will be 100 percent effective
Will this improve their stealth?
BREAKING: USN CONFIRMS IT CANNOT FIND ITS FLEET OF CLITORAL COMBAT SHIPS
dude😅😅😅😅😅
To be fair to the LCS program, a lot of shipbuilding lessons were learned. Aluminum is not a suitable material for salt water conditions, and modularity is not as desirable when it sacrifices crew compliment. It's maddening that it wasn't run as an experiment.
Many thought those ships were a terrible idea when they were proposed. It was supposed to be like some multi tool only a ship. Refitting for missions sounds great except if you don't have time to do it. Like if you've just woke up in the beginning of a hot mess. They knew they wouldn't be all that even before they fell apart.
The Song was pure Comedy-gold 😂😂👍🏼
Alright, that song at the end really got me. A Fletcher wouldn't stand a chance in modern combat, but it'd be pretty fun to see them floating around with modern armaments anyways.
Per chance at my workplace we make components for these ships comms systems. And this past week they put out a PowerPoint pointing out this platform(among others) as a point of pride. And so much of me(because I hate forced PowerPoint classes) wanted to point out the damn things are complete lemons on so many levels. Hopefully they find a way to get their worths out of them.
They use it as a point of pride because: "Wasn't our systems that were delayed and over budget, we did our part to perfection."
This just goes to show things aren’t made like they used to be. Glad it’s not only cars. Crazy the difference in strength and longevity between new and old
I love the song at the end!
Love this channel ❤ keep it up 😊
damm he's got good voice for singing
Imagine having a dedicated testbed ship, then making your untested production ship your testbed.
Was that Not What You Think singing? 🤔👀
I love the song at the end, absolutely gold
The LCS program was the result of the Navy trying to be cheap in an era when near peer enemies were a fantasy.
There is a big difference between being frugal and being cheap. Being frugal is being cost effective, but not compromising your aims. Being cheap means changing your aims for for cost savings.
The Constellation class of frigate (seem) be frugal. They use an existing design, and modify it for the Navy's needs. It is a smaller ship, but still has plenty of utility and fire power.
The LCS were made cheap. The aluminum hull was a cost saving choice (easier to work, and saves weight that can be used elsewhere [keeps the ship smaller]). They were stripped of most weapons to save cost (specifically, pass on costs to future upgrades that will never happen).
The production quality of that song at the end was surprisingly good-
What's so frustrating about this whole thing is that SOOOO many people, both civilian and military, knew this thing was a bad idea.
But here's what people need to consider: the US Navy was able to commission the design, contract the construction, deploy, repair, retire and decommission an entire class of (useless) ships, but the US post office still has to use the same trucks that were designed and built in the 70's.
I wanted to work in the military ship design sector so bad after I graduated college, but I was so put-off by the ship procurement process and the civilian/military officials that were responsible for it. I would go to conferences (ASNE and SNAME) but I could only gag for so long. I had to find something else.
ABSOLUTLY loved the ending song! great job!
This is why you don't order an entire fleet until your prototypes have been put through hell. If you do discover design flaws, it's easier to implement a redesign, and if the design is unsalvageable, you didn't spend billions on ships you will never use.
That's what they did, 2 prototypes per type, which then went from testing into reserve.
I can hear a shipbuilder with a lot of money going "whoopsie our bad"🤑😂
The most surprising thing in this video for me was learning that Narrator can sing and actually quite well.
In the 1890´s the Germans needed patrol-boats on the great lake in Africa (Victoria-Lake I think?). So they made some out of aluminum because they had to be carried over land. The experience gained was such that Germany never made aluminum ships again. And the lake wasn´t even salty.
If only someone told today´s designers some history...
The beautiful thing about the military industrial complex is you can spend billions on a broken product that no one asked for in the first place and still get the contract for its replacement.
"If I was richer, I'd bring back the fletcher" is probably the best lyrics ever written
I know someone who worked on these ships. Like helped build them. Ex navy and now works as a shipbuilder. He said the design quality was bad and the build quality, like the materials being used were worse.
The singing was exactly what these were missing. More please!
NO ONE in naval circles thought these ships were worth a damn before the first one ever hit the water.
Many countries build capable corvette sized ships. Apparently the US cannot
Oh man, that song really hit it.
Wait, they actually wrote that for these lemons?
ROFL epic song - most unexpected. I too would bring back the Fletcher.
I Am Quite late. Anyways Here is the lyrics for the Song At the end! (It is expanded because why not.)
Original:
"I See you driving up costs always breaking down
And I'm like forget you (Ooh, Ooh, Ooh)
I Guess the Range of my budget wasn't enough
I'm like forget you and forget her too
Said If I Was richer I Would bring back the Fletcher
Ha, See that ain't some ship? (Ain't that some ship)
You'll be maintained in the Reserve, I Still wish you the best
With a Forget you..."
Expanded:
I See you driving up costs always breaking down
And I'm like forget you (Ooh, Ooh, Ooh)
I Guess the Range of my budget wasn't enough
I'm like forget you and forget her too
I Said If I Was richer I Would bring back the fletcher
Ha, See that ain't some ship? (Ain't that some ship)
You'll be maintained in the Reserve, I Still wish you the best
With a Forget you (Ooh, Ooh, Ooh)
And I'm sorry, I Can't afford a Missouri
But that doesn't mean I Can Decommission you there
I Guess she's an Burke, And I'm more a quirky
But the way you Break down down Isn't fair
I Pity the fool that developed you (Increased In Spending)
Well (Just know that you should've known Betta')
Oooooh
I've got some news for ya' Yeah go broke down and get repaired.
I see you driving up costs always breaking down
And I'm like forget you (Ooh, Ooh, Ooh)
I Guess the Range of my budget wasn't enough
And I'm like forget you and forget her too
Said if I Was richer I Would bring back the Fletcher."
(The End cuz' Got lazy.)
I remember when the LCS was first conceptualized saying where are the fucking guns it has no war fighting capability as a worship
I loved your singing at the end. Lovely touch.
Hey, NWYT. I think you should do collab with Oversimplified, I think that would be a masterpiece.
That ending song tho...
If only we have an independent music vid lol
Great vid, loved the humor 😅😅
Glad you enjoyed it!
Oh my god we need more music from you guys,
Hearing the narrators voice was…. Not what youd think
This is part of the learning process in building any new designs. It is regrettable shortcuts and compromises were made, but at the same time lessons were learned.
Song was damn good man. Keep it up.
Had this video in the background while i work and had to stop and pay attention because of all the puns! Good job!
wh6 in the Arleigh Burke class segment are two Hellenic Navy Hydra and Elli class frigates added
the improvised song at the end was a impressive ad on.
Haha love the song spoof at the end.
The navy just keeps screwing up. From the LCS to the Zumwalt. Meanwhile the Iowa’s are sitting at their museums laughing their ass off at attempts to replace them 😂
song at the end was a sweet touch loved it
It’s a really really really expensive piece of target practice for weapons that actually work.
Literally, we get more use out of shooting at our own ships than we do actually use them.
Saw one of the Freedom class ships on base the other day. It was parked on our pier, thing looked cool up close in person. I've heard they're nightmares to work on for engineering dept and they typically have 3 duty section so say goodbye to your liberty and free time. Getting rid of frigates was the big mistake the Navy made.
Cracks and propulsion issues aside, which of course are huge issues, it seems to me that the “future mission” of the Navy when they designed and built these vessels has changed. So if they have issues in blue water or tracking submarines or whatever is ignoring that their mission was in the “littoral” seas near shores. I’d think they could be part of a brown-water navy of some nation or used as intended, but yeah - were they genuinely a failure if the Navy has returned to a blue-water focus?
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