I have had the crossclimate 2(s) about 3 weeks. So far so good. They stop quicker/shorter distance. They do not spin when I peel out like the Michelin pilots did. They were decent on wet payment no spinning. I will post more once I make it through the snow and more wet weather.
Crossclimate 2's are the best tires ever made. Nothing is better in rain or wet. It's as good as a dedicated winter tire in snow. Nothing is good on ice, these included. They aren't performance tires, and are worse at cornering but a very worthwhile trade off for my non-racecar. 2 years later, the tread is as good as ever and I can't imaging trying anything else ever again.
Glad to hear it. I just ordered a set for my 2018 Pathfinder. Had the Nissan Dealer put on a Recommended Hankook tire in 2019 at 60,000 mi. Now they are at 134,000 mi and no good for snow. They were definitely a compromise but stayed smooth all this time. These Michelins will give me better Urban Minneapolis snow driving when things get rutted.
I've used michelin crossclimate 2's 225/55r17 101w on my insignia estate and they are fantastic tyres. Road noise wise isn't great but for grip in all weathers I wouldn't choose anything else. I have found no difference with regards to ride comfort. It shouldn't affect your ride comfort because they are a summer tyre compound with winter grip. Though tyre pressures do.
60 years driving all kinds of cars and tires in all conditions , these are the best and safest year around all weather tires , enough said ! Jim Ferere
CrossClimate2 is my choice and still using them 365 days per year. Had them since December 2022 as gone through 2 U.S. Northeast winters as where I live gets an annual average of 126 inches of snowfall. Still have plenty of tread and expect to last another 4 whole years. I don't have to swap between Summer/ All-Season to Winter/Snow tires as CC2's are All-Weather and all year round tires. However, you do lose 2 to 4 MPG on fuel efficiency sometimes worse MPG depending on terrain, how you drive - aka driver bad habits, and maintaining proper PSI - inflation. Expect to get more life as the CC2 should get you between 60,000 to 80,000 miles before replacing. A couple of TH-camr Video folks have claimed 100k miles on CrossClimate2s. They are relatively quiet, except in snow, handle weather conditions well, and good on the road. Comfort depends on wheel size ... I have 235/40R19 96V [2023 Toyota Camry XSE V6] and on good surfaced roads they are comfortable, get on choppy and terrible roads I tend to feel all the roads imperfections. Overall, CC2 is a great tire. The OE tires were BridgeStone Turanza EL440's which are 1,000 percent dangerous and unsafe tires as I had them shredded. The Best Top 3 Brand Name tire companies are Michelin, Continental, Pirelli, and worth an honorable mention is Good Year. Stay far away from any Asian/Korean/Japan made tires and that include Mexico. Mine are 96V aka V Rated. The Michelin CrossClimate2 235/40R19 96V cost about $265 USD each. Load Rating 96 1565 lbs (710 kg) per tire Speed Rating V 149 mph (240 kph) Sidewall BSW Load Capacity 1565 pounds (lbs) Mileage Warranty 60,000 UTQG 640 B A Treadwear: 640 Traction: B Temperature: A
I have the v rated cross 2 as that’s what’s recommended by my car manufacturer. They ride really smooth and road noise is quiet no complains from me good tyre.
I'm not 100% convinced that changing the speed rating of every tyre will have such an obvious effect. What I experienced with the CC2 could be isolated to this specific tyre (CC2) and tyre size
These are the best tires all around I ever had on my car. Thats all I have to say about these if you think they dont handle very well or give you a harsh ride thats on your car not the tire 😅 Some cars have a suboptimal suspension from the factory and they are very likely to not ride well with certain tires. On the other hand you HAVE to match the speed rating and load rating to your vehicle. Otherwise they will nor pair well. Im not putting an 94V XL tire on my car that has a rated top speed for 205kph and and is nowhere near heavy enough for a 94 XL tire. So I got 91H non XL tires and they ride amazing.
I love the tires. Quiet and comfortable even with the 80-90mph speeds on a trip to the Grand Canyon. If I had one complaint (which I have gotten used to now) is a slight vague on center feel.
Thanks so much for pointing this out. I put the Cross Climate 2s on my Highlander from new and leave them on all the time. I did find them a bit harsh as you mentioned. The performance does eclipse that harshness for sure but based on this video, I went out and looked and of course mine are V rated as well. Next year when I buy a new set I will remember this and get the H rated ones for sure. They are by far the best all year round tire I have ever had in my 55 years of driving.
Someone said it wasn't the speed rating but the fact they were "heavy duty". I checked and sure enough they have "heavy duty" written on them. I think that is probably the biggest factor but for sure, no need to get a higher speed rating than the car needs.
@@Nick91768 255/55R20 First off 11 months ago I was driving a 2021 Highlander Platinum and commented on how rough the ride was. Since then we purchased a new 2024 Grand Highlander Limited and the ride is completely Buick like, plush but firm and perfect for me at my age. I checked the original tires and found them also V rated. So it looks like the harsh ride of the previous Highlander had more to do with the car than the tires. I am installing CC2s on this one as well and will know in a few weeks how they perform on this new Grand Highlander. I am sure they will be fine.
i think it depends on the car as well. i have a 2021 BMW X6, m sport + dynamic handling. the V rated CC2 are WAY better than the stock Pirellis. very conformable ride. i dont think this tire has a lower speed rating available for my car
Which Pirellis did you have? On my Audi I currently have the Cinturauto P7 all seasons. I want the new SF3’s but I can’t find them anywhere. So until I can, I’m trying to decide between the Pirelli Weatheractive or these Michellins.
over here the V is the lowest speed rating you can get, but comes in the XL variant. The XL variants have more solid side walls so are stiffer tyres and that can be a problem for road noise and comfort. The W and Y ratings are the only other tyres, but they are 91 load rated and so have softer walls that take bumps easier.
Glade that I could help regarding the difference between the "H" and "V" rated tyres. Now to fix your wiper noise.... since it makes noise going up, twist the wiper metal hook downward towards the hood a bit unit the noise is fully diapered so the blade surface is not in an angle against the windshield.
I have Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires on my 2021 Kia Telluride SUV. I wonder if size has anything to do with it, or differences in suspension but I have no issues with these tires. In fact I would rank them as some of the best tires I've ever had on an SUV. My tires are 145/50 R20 V rated. I am not experiencing any of the ride comfort issue you describe.
Hi. The hard tyres were the "Heavy Duty" model. I have the normal type now and they are fine. In my experience is worth asking for the tyre size you want AND the speed rating you want.
Interesting. Here in Canada, Costco will not install another speed rated tire other than what is specified by the vehicle manufacturer. In my case (Lexus RX350) it's V rated only. Have to go to an independent tire center for H rated and hope they still honor the warranty if something goes wrong with them 😉
The universal rule of thumb with speed ratings is OK to go up never go down from the manufacturer's factory spec tires going from a V rated to an H rated is not safe H rated 130MPH V rated 149mph and can invalidate your insurance if you are in an accident. V rated tires cope better with heat and speed over distance cruising. Here in Northern Europe its illegal to go down a speed rating and you can lose your license if caught by the Police during an inspection.
The speed rating has nothing to do with the ride. The faster the rating, the better balanced the tyre. What will effect ride is the load rating, higher the stiffer the side wall. So, you start by saying the Crossclimates are unacceptable without any reference. I switch between Primacy in the summer to Crossclimates in the winter and notice zero difference in ride.
Live in North East Scotland and looking at these tires around £600 for 4. I've got summer continentals on atm just wondering if its worthwhile spending thanks
If you need something for snow I think most winter tyres will be better than summer tyres. What would have me chaining up with normal tyres, no issues for the CC2. But they obviously have a limit. th-cam.com/video/7g1oFVLIYY0/w-d-xo.html
I had CC2s my Volvo XC90 I would say don't waste your money they are essentially summer tire compound with extra sipes to make them act like dedicated snow tires, they are not much better than premium summer tires in the snow, I am not a fast driver I take my time but the Cross climates are no good in snow they get hard just like summer tires, invest in a set of mid range Winter tires and swap the wheels over when winter arrives Vredstein Wintrac are great tires and less expensive compared to Cross climates I feel very confident with them on my car in the snow and the traction control light rarely comes on it came on often with the CC2 they also have 5 start Autobild rating you cannot get better than that and they wear better than any other winter tire and can be used into summer. Where I live the temperature rarely exceeds 20c anyway so they suit me fine all year and they do not make the terrible droning noise of the CC2 on dry roads.
Top and bottom of this is that you should always be looking to change tyre for tyre where size,profile,speed rating and load are concerned. Stepping out of these sizes will ultimately alter the speedometer reading. Might not be such a big problem in certain countries but in the UK if i changed tyres and they weren't the exact same spec as the original and i have an accident the insurance company will not pay out . With winter tyres you can normally drop the speed rating and load by one but youre best checking with the insurance company first. The only other option is to change the tyre size completely but to a size and profile etc that sits within the parameters of thst which is safe and compatible , i e . A smaller wheel diameter but a larger profile size will keep your speedometer running true . Ive just put cc2 on my bmw m240i xdrive and got exact same tyre spec wise as the pilot sport 4s that were on as stock. There is a little difference in fuel consumption but id expect that from a tyre that is softer in compound and with a more aggressive tread pattern. The difference is only 1 or 2 mpg currently but its the trade off for the extra safety aspect in winter . Yet to try them out in snow but my pilot sport 4s will be back on in spring. Road noise isnt too bad and they feel grippy.
Need advice i live right outside nyc which has some snow a few months a year. I have a 2020 cx5 gtr and im dumping the toyos. I can get a good deal on either pirelli scorpion as plus 3 or cross climates 2. I look for strong handling and road holding and quiet smooth ride especially for long freeway drives. Good Wet performance more then snow performance because of where i live. Which you think would be a better bet between these two? Oh i only put like 6000 miles a year on my car maybe. Great channel!!
Now it's time to get some new wipers. For the CC2: mine, after ca. 500 miles started to sound like a plane flying next to me. Buzzing sound of a propeller is what I hear at ca. 55 miles per hour and above.
Snow performance is different level to summer tyres. They are "good" in other conditions. If you're not bothered about snow I'd lean towards PS5 or maybe Continental Premium Contact 7.
I have had my Michelin Crossclimate 2 (4 tires) for a year. My tires still spin when the payment is wet. The traction is decent but not great. They are not miracles tires. They are the best and most expensive tires I have had but I am not raving over them. The are decent but not great.
Hello from Bulgaria :) I recently bought CC2 (oct 2022) and people keep teling me that after the upcoming summer the tires will "heat up/cook up" and lose winter performance. So are your tires ok after the greek summer ? I watched all your videos but never saw you mention this explecitly.
I have driven the CC2 H-Speed rated between 40F to -40F for the past three years now in Canada and the snow performance on unplowed 1 1/2 foot tall of snow, freezing rain, freezing rain with wet snow storm with a FWD KIA hybrid is still working just great as long as I drive with the appropriate speed based on the weather condition. CC2 is as great as the Micheline X-ice Xi3 I used and sold for 3 months in the first winter then replaced them with CC2 to avoid the cost and time of swapping tires twice a year. Fuel efficiency in the summer is a bit better than the factory Micheline Energy Saver A/S and the fuel efficiency in the winter is almost as good as the Micheline X-ice Xi3 that has excellent rolling resistance; however, the ride comfort, safety, stability, cornering and grip in all four seasons are excellent and far exceed the factory tire .
Update 12.2023 - after 14 months I am down from 6.6 to 5.6 mm in tyre tread. The legal minimum is 4mm for winter months, so maybe another 20 monts of life. Which is not bad! Next time I will buy Kleber Qadrex which have 7.6 mm tread and are actually owned by Michelin, so I don't believe I will have problems there. Plus they perform very very close in tests. I must note that in Bulgaria and more specificly in Sofia we get actual snow no more than 20/30 days a year. I have driven mostly on the highway (140km / 90miles per hour) which makes the tread desolve faster.
I have a set on a 2015 Toyota Venza, location Muskoka Ontario. My opinion is for winter driving they are NOT confidence inspiring, and actually a little scary . I pulled them off, and went back to my Blizzaks. I would rate these on par with a good all-season, but I cannot recommend them for any winter driving at all!!, despite what others are saying. Reply
I don't know about forest roads. I **think** the "heavy duty" tyre would protect the wheel more over potholes (if you have low profile tyres) but I'm guessing.
Cars that comes with higher speed rating tires are usually engineered with amount of insolation to counter the road noise created by wider and stiffer sidewall tires. Not so much for regular compact or sub compact vehicles.
Hmmm. I'm giessing you do NOT have sport or low profile tires? I'm on my second set of these. Both sets were/are H rated and for a passenger car, they truly feel like the grand touring tires they claim to be. I admit, my original tires were such low rolling resistance, anything would have been an improvement, but I'm old and have had a wide variety of autos over the years.
i listened to your entire video and i dont know when you say unacceptable, whether you mean too stiff or too soft. which one is it? i have a porsche cayenne gts, a rather heavy vehicle with quite some power resources, and i can easily do the top speeds you are referring to. my thoughts are that this tire may be too soft. yes i know that depends on road surface. thanks -
Hey. Short version. The load rating for the tyre was more than the car needed which caused the stiff ride. I changed to normal/car manufacturer recommended load rating, ie not "Heavy Duty" and the ride was normal.
I have brand new tires Cross Climate 2 DOT 2023, but have some very strange noise when turning left/right at high speed (80+km). I passed calibration front and rear axle and everything is ok on the suspension. The noise is only expressed at speeds above 80 km/h and is of a non-constant nature and is quite annoying. Any guesses if it could be from the tire tread, I didn't expect such a problem from such a high end tire. Are other people having a similar problem? After 1000km passed, noise is quite lower, but still exist.
How would you describe it exactly? I may have something similar going on as well, except I only hear and feel the vibration at 40+mph and sweeping left hand turns.
@@krasimirkI had my car looked at (2013 Impreza hatchback) and they said all 4 of my wheel hub bearings were good. I’m not sure what to think at this point
I have cross climate 2 and after 10k I have no complaints. They aren't loud and ride really smooth. You more than likely have a suspension issue go get car checked out.
You compare a worn tire with a new one. This si absurd. There is no difference between a tire with a speed rating and another tire with different speed rating. Yes, the tire structure is stronger on the higher speed rating tire, but not to a level that you can feel this in the car.
A commenter said that the tires were also "heavy duty" and sure enough, it writes "heavy duty" on the sidewalls. Perhaps all high speed rating tyres in this size are heavy duty. Either way, high speed rating combined with being heavy duty I think explains the situation.
How is fuel consumption with the CC2? is it better or worse? Also for my rim size it only gives me Y speed rating which is the highest, i guess im doomed 😅
I'm loosing around 5 miles per gallon on cross climate 2 compared to original tires from car manufacturer. I have 2021 Toyota Rav4 hybrid and Im getting an average o 44.4 mpg city driving and using original tires from manufacturer which is Firestone Destination. After I replaced it with Cross Climate 2 I'm getting an average of 39.2 mpg. The diameter of the tires is also significantly smaller because There is difference of 4 KM/hour compared to aftermarket GPS.
Remember a brand new set of tires even the exact same model and size will have full tread depths which mean full weight and will require more fuel to move them. Fuel consumption and road noise always decreases as the tire treads wears down by loosing weight and less space available to generate friction acoustic noise between the road and the rubber. This is why most people notice the increases of fuel consumption and road noise after putting on a new set of tires. On my FWD HEV this was the trend after driven this set of tires for 58,800miles/94,600KM.
Lovely, I believe you are in Britain, H rating is Croosclimet 1, more suited for Europe, Crossclimet 2 is the V rating which is better for north America where snow season is longer
Why change to H when the car is able to use the speed? Perhaps you live in a country with speed limits on the highway…. As long as our Autobahn is partly without speed limits, I think would never downgrade.
Almost all people report the mileage getting better after a few thousand miles. Why would you "get rid of" brand new tires? If 5mpg is a problem in your life maybe you need a job near your home or vice versa.
I would complain more about the wiper blades rather than the tires 😅
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True, so annoying to concentrate what he is trying to say
I've tuned them out internally! They wipe great but I'll be fitting a new set.
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Drove them across Canada. Very comfy. No noise. Good handling. No hydroplane. Not texted in winter yet by me.
Tested them in winter, amazing performance in extremely snowy conditions.
I have had the crossclimate 2(s) about 3 weeks. So far so good. They stop quicker/shorter distance. They do not spin when I peel out like the Michelin pilots did. They were decent on wet payment no spinning. I will post more once I make it through the snow and more wet weather.
What are the temps with you at the moment?
Ron?
@@DriveTuneMedia This was back in the late summer early fall. The tem was in the 70's.
You're nuts if you think the V rated are too stiff. I have them and I think they're plush and it feels like my suspension has been upgraded.
What size tyre are you using?
@@DriveTuneMedia 215/50R17 - 2016 Honda Civic EX-L USA
205/55-16 here as V and very soft compared to my 18" summers, floats smoothly over all the pavement seams
Crossclimate 2's are the best tires ever made. Nothing is better in rain or wet. It's as good as a dedicated winter tire in snow. Nothing is good on ice, these included. They aren't performance tires, and are worse at cornering but a very worthwhile trade off for my non-racecar. 2 years later, the tread is as good as ever and I can't imaging trying anything else ever again.
Glad to hear it. I just ordered a set for my 2018 Pathfinder. Had the Nissan Dealer put on a Recommended Hankook tire in 2019 at 60,000 mi. Now they are at 134,000 mi and no good for snow. They were definitely a compromise but stayed smooth all this time.
These Michelins will give me better Urban Minneapolis snow driving when things get rutted.
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I have the Crossclimate 2 tires on my car and it did first gave me some road noise in the wet. But eventually fade away after a week.
I love mine I live in oregon and it handles great in the rain and snow haven't had a chance to drive them in the summertime yet
I've used michelin crossclimate 2's 225/55r17 101w on my insignia estate and they are fantastic tyres. Road noise wise isn't great but for grip in all weathers I wouldn't choose anything else. I have found no difference with regards to ride comfort. It shouldn't affect your ride comfort because they are a summer tyre compound with winter grip. Though tyre pressures do.
60 years driving all kinds of cars and tires in all conditions , these are the best and safest year around all weather tires , enough said ! Jim Ferere
To make a V speed rated tire, it is a heavier tire with harder rubber. Always get the speed rated tire that is recommended by the car manufacturer.
This.
CrossClimate2 is my choice and still using them 365 days per year. Had them since December 2022 as gone through 2 U.S. Northeast winters as where I live gets an annual average of 126 inches of snowfall. Still have plenty of tread and expect to last another 4 whole years. I don't have to swap between Summer/ All-Season to Winter/Snow tires as CC2's are All-Weather and all year round tires. However, you do lose 2 to 4 MPG on fuel efficiency sometimes worse MPG depending on terrain, how you drive - aka driver bad habits, and maintaining proper PSI - inflation. Expect to get more life as the CC2 should get you between 60,000 to 80,000 miles before replacing. A couple of TH-camr Video folks have claimed 100k miles on CrossClimate2s. They are relatively quiet, except in snow, handle weather conditions well, and good on the road. Comfort depends on wheel size ... I have 235/40R19 96V [2023 Toyota Camry XSE V6] and on good surfaced roads they are comfortable, get on choppy and terrible roads I tend to feel all the roads imperfections. Overall, CC2 is a great tire. The OE tires were BridgeStone Turanza EL440's which are 1,000 percent dangerous and unsafe tires as I had them shredded. The Best Top 3 Brand Name tire companies are Michelin, Continental, Pirelli, and worth an honorable mention is Good Year. Stay far away from any Asian/Korean/Japan made tires and that include Mexico. Mine are 96V aka V Rated. The Michelin CrossClimate2 235/40R19 96V cost about $265 USD each.
Load Rating 96 1565 lbs (710 kg) per tire
Speed Rating V 149 mph (240 kph)
Sidewall BSW
Load Capacity 1565 pounds (lbs)
Mileage Warranty 60,000
UTQG 640 B A Treadwear: 640
Traction: B
Temperature: A
I put CC2's on my Ford Focus back in Feb this year and thought they were brilliant - quiet, comfortable and very grippy.
Michelin CC2's are the best tire money can buy. I have a set on my 2011 Cruze Eco and absolutely love them.
I have had these tires on my car for a year and the ride is fine. They have been great tires.
It was my mistake not seeing that the tyres supplied were labelled "Heavy Duty"
@@DriveTuneMedia yes, it actually makes a huge difference!
@@DriveTuneMediawhat size are your tires?
I have the v rated cross 2 as that’s what’s recommended by my car manufacturer. They ride really smooth and road noise is quiet no complains from me good tyre.
I get little to no tire noise and very smooth ride. I have them on a total Highlander and they’re awesome.
I'm not 100% convinced that changing the speed rating of every tyre will have such an obvious effect. What I experienced with the CC2 could be isolated to this specific tyre (CC2) and tyre size
Are you sure you had them pumped at the same pressure?
These are the best tires all around I ever had on my car. Thats all I have to say about these if you think they dont handle very well or give you a harsh ride thats on your car not the tire 😅
Some cars have a suboptimal suspension from the factory and they are very likely to not ride well with certain tires.
On the other hand you HAVE to match the speed rating and load rating to your vehicle. Otherwise they will nor pair well. Im not putting an 94V XL tire on my car that has a rated top speed for 205kph and and is nowhere near heavy enough for a 94 XL tire.
So I got 91H non XL tires and they ride amazing.
I love my CC2, best all season tires for me hands down
I love the tires. Quiet and comfortable even with the 80-90mph speeds on a trip to the Grand Canyon. If I had one complaint (which I have gotten used to now) is a slight vague on center feel.
they love to grab stones too
I have CC2 for 57k miles on them. Have half the thread left. Mostly highways. Very pleased with them.
I've had the CC2s for a few weeks and the comfort/noise is amazing. They're so much better than my old continentals.
Thanks so much for pointing this out. I put the Cross Climate 2s on my Highlander from new and leave them on all the time. I did find them a bit harsh as you mentioned. The performance does eclipse that harshness for sure but based on this video, I went out and looked and of course mine are V rated as well. Next year when I buy a new set I will remember this and get the H rated ones for sure. They are by far the best all year round tire I have ever had in my 55 years of driving.
Someone said it wasn't the speed rating but the fact they were "heavy duty". I checked and sure enough they have "heavy duty" written on them. I think that is probably the biggest factor but for sure, no need to get a higher speed rating than the car needs.
What size are your CC2s? Mine would be 265-60-18.
@@DriveTuneMediahmm, did it say heavy duty or extra load?
@@Nick91768 255/55R20 First off 11 months ago I was driving a 2021 Highlander Platinum and commented on how rough the ride was. Since then we purchased a new 2024 Grand Highlander Limited and the ride is completely Buick like, plush but firm and perfect for me at my age. I checked the original tires and found them also V rated. So it looks like the harsh ride of the previous Highlander had more to do with the car than the tires. I am installing CC2s on this one as well and will know in a few weeks how they perform on this new Grand Highlander. I am sure they will be fine.
i think it depends on the car as well. i have a 2021 BMW X6, m sport + dynamic handling. the V rated CC2 are WAY better than the stock Pirellis. very conformable ride. i dont think this tire has a lower speed rating available for my car
Which Pirellis did you have? On my Audi I currently have the Cinturauto P7 all seasons. I want the new SF3’s but I can’t find them anywhere. So until I can, I’m trying to decide between the Pirelli Weatheractive or these Michellins.
How do these tires handle in the dry and summer months at speed?
over here the V is the lowest speed rating you can get, but comes in the XL variant.
The XL variants have more solid side walls so are stiffer tyres and that can be a problem for road noise and comfort.
The W and Y ratings are the only other tyres, but they are 91 load rated and so have softer walls that take bumps easier.
Glade that I could help regarding the difference between the "H" and "V" rated tyres. Now to fix your wiper noise.... since it makes noise going up, twist the wiper metal hook downward towards the hood a bit unit the noise is fully diapered so the blade surface is not in an angle against the windshield.
I'll get back to you on the wipers. I checked them yesterday and the hooks look parallel but I will try.
@@DriveTuneMedia replace them with Bosch Aerotwin...best blades i had in years
The best tyres always belong on the rear.
I have Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires on my 2021 Kia Telluride SUV. I wonder if size has anything to do with it, or differences in suspension but I have no issues with these tires. In fact I would rank them as some of the best tires I've ever had on an SUV. My tires are 145/50 R20 V rated. I am not experiencing any of the ride comfort issue you describe.
Hi. The hard tyres were the "Heavy Duty" model. I have the normal type now and they are fine. In my experience is worth asking for the tyre size you want AND the speed rating you want.
Interesting. Here in Canada, Costco will not install another speed rated tire other than what is specified by the vehicle manufacturer. In my case (Lexus RX350) it's V rated only. Have to go to an independent tire center for H rated and hope they still honor the warranty if something goes wrong with them 😉
I think I'd go with what the car manufacturer says. I believe the problem I had was the tyres were labelled "Heavy Duty". Not necessary for this car.
The universal rule of thumb with speed ratings is OK to go up never go down from the manufacturer's factory spec tires going from a V rated to an H rated is not safe H rated 130MPH V rated 149mph and can invalidate your insurance if you are in an accident. V rated tires cope better with heat and speed over distance cruising. Here in Northern Europe its illegal to go down a speed rating and you can lose your license if caught by the Police during an inspection.
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The speed rating has nothing to do with the ride.
The faster the rating, the better balanced the tyre.
What will effect ride is the load rating, higher the stiffer the side wall.
So, you start by saying the Crossclimates are unacceptable without any reference.
I switch between Primacy in the summer to Crossclimates in the winter and notice zero difference in ride.
I believe that it is illegal to put on a lower speed rated tyre than your vehicle is designed for and can invalidate your insurance in the Uk.
Live in North East Scotland and looking at these tires around £600 for 4. I've got summer continentals on atm just wondering if its worthwhile spending thanks
If you need something for snow I think most winter tyres will be better than summer tyres. What would have me chaining up with normal tyres, no issues for the CC2. But they obviously have a limit. th-cam.com/video/7g1oFVLIYY0/w-d-xo.html
@DriveTuneMedia think I'm gonna go for all season tires, then I won't need to swap. Just keep them on until worn 👍
I had CC2s my Volvo XC90 I would say don't waste your money they are essentially summer tire compound with extra sipes to make them act like dedicated snow tires, they are not much better than premium summer tires in the snow, I am not a fast driver I take my time but the Cross climates are no good in snow they get hard just like summer tires, invest in a set of mid range Winter tires and swap the wheels over when winter arrives Vredstein Wintrac are great tires and less expensive compared to Cross climates I feel very confident with them on my car in the snow and the traction control light rarely comes on it came on often with the CC2 they also have 5 start Autobild rating you cannot get better than that and they wear better than any other winter tire and can be used into summer. Where I live the temperature rarely exceeds 20c anyway so they suit me fine all year and they do not make the terrible droning noise of the CC2 on dry roads.
Top and bottom of this is that you should always be looking to change tyre for tyre where size,profile,speed rating and load are concerned. Stepping out of these sizes will ultimately alter the speedometer reading. Might not be such a big problem in certain countries but in the UK if i changed tyres and they weren't the exact same spec as the original and i have an accident the insurance company will not pay out . With winter tyres you can normally drop the speed rating and load by one but youre best checking with the insurance company first. The only other option is to change the tyre size completely but to a size and profile etc that sits within the parameters of thst which is safe and compatible , i e . A smaller wheel diameter but a larger profile size will keep your speedometer running true .
Ive just put cc2 on my bmw m240i xdrive and got exact same tyre spec wise as the pilot sport 4s that were on as stock. There is a little difference in fuel consumption but id expect that from a tyre that is softer in compound and with a more aggressive tread pattern. The difference is only 1 or 2 mpg currently but its the trade off for the extra safety aspect in winter . Yet to try them out in snow but my pilot sport 4s will be back on in spring. Road noise isnt too bad and they feel grippy.
This. Specifying the speed and load rating when ordering also important.
Need advice i live right outside nyc which has some snow a few months a year. I have a 2020 cx5 gtr and im dumping the toyos. I can get a good deal on either pirelli scorpion as plus 3 or cross climates 2. I look for strong handling and road holding and quiet smooth ride especially for long freeway drives. Good Wet performance more then snow performance because of where i live. Which you think would be a better bet between these two? Oh i only put like 6000 miles a year on my car maybe.
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Hey. I don't know the Scorpion. But I don't think you will go wrong with the CC2s if you need all season capability + a bit of snow.
Out of the 3 you mentioned the AS3’s are not Severe Snow Service rated if that matters to you.
Now it's time to get some new wipers.
For the CC2: mine, after ca. 500 miles started to sound like a plane flying next to me. Buzzing sound of a propeller is what I hear at ca. 55 miles per hour and above.
go to a repair shop and have your wheels aligned asap, before you trash your brand new expensive tires
I’m looking for a set of these tyres for the UK. It looks like they didn’t handle the snow that well? Are they any good? Seem a lot of money
Snow performance is different level to summer tyres. They are "good" in other conditions. If you're not bothered about snow I'd lean towards PS5 or maybe Continental Premium Contact 7.
I have had my Michelin Crossclimate 2 (4 tires) for a year. My tires still spin when the payment is wet. The traction is decent but not great. They are not miracles tires. They are the best and most expensive tires I have had but I am not raving over them. The are decent but not great.
Hello from Bulgaria :) I recently bought CC2 (oct 2022) and people keep teling me that after the upcoming summer the tires will "heat up/cook up" and lose winter performance. So are your tires ok after the greek summer ? I watched all your videos but never saw you mention this explecitly.
I haven't driven in snow after the summer. But in the cold and the wet I can't say I've noticed any difference.
@@DriveTuneMedia Lovely, thank you for sharing your experience
I have driven the CC2 H-Speed rated between 40F to -40F for the past three years now in Canada and the snow performance on unplowed 1 1/2 foot tall of snow, freezing rain, freezing rain with wet snow storm with a FWD KIA hybrid is still working just great as long as I drive with the appropriate speed based on the weather condition. CC2 is as great as the Micheline X-ice Xi3 I used and sold for 3 months in the first winter then replaced them with CC2 to avoid the cost and time of swapping tires twice a year. Fuel efficiency in the summer is a bit better than the factory Micheline Energy Saver A/S and the fuel efficiency in the winter is almost as good as the Micheline X-ice Xi3 that has excellent rolling resistance; however, the ride comfort, safety, stability, cornering and grip in all four seasons are excellent and far exceed the factory tire .
I have bad experience after 1 year of using cc2 v. It’s second winter season now and the car started wandering on the road
Update 12.2023 - after 14 months I am down from 6.6 to 5.6 mm in tyre tread. The legal minimum is 4mm for winter months, so maybe another 20 monts of life. Which is not bad! Next time I will buy Kleber Qadrex which have 7.6 mm tread and are actually owned by Michelin, so I don't believe I will have problems there. Plus they perform very very close in tests.
I must note that in Bulgaria and more specificly in Sofia we get actual snow no more than 20/30 days a year. I have driven mostly on the highway (140km / 90miles per hour) which makes the tread desolve faster.
I have a set on a 2015 Toyota Venza, location Muskoka Ontario. My opinion is for winter driving they are NOT confidence inspiring, and actually a little scary . I pulled them off, and went back to my Blizzaks. I would rate these on par with a good all-season, but I cannot recommend them for any winter driving at all!!, despite what others are saying.
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Id like to try the Blizzaks at some point.
Would a h be more likely to puncture if you go on a forest road?
I don't know about forest roads. I **think** the "heavy duty" tyre would protect the wheel more over potholes (if you have low profile tyres) but I'm guessing.
I had the original cross climate tyres on a car of mine many years ago and they were terrible so I don't know how these ones are
Don't make tire videos with chattering wiper blades. Fix the wipers FIRST!
I have them in a Y rating. And its fine.
Cars that comes with higher speed rating tires are usually engineered with amount of insolation to counter the road noise created by wider and stiffer sidewall tires. Not so much for regular compact or sub compact vehicles.
Yes maybe. My car is capable of over the German 155mph.
But I didn't hear any difference between these and summer tyres that used to be fitted.
Can this guy not hear the windshield wipers scraping across his dry windshield ?...Dude turn them off !
Hmmm. I'm giessing you do NOT have sport or low profile tires? I'm on my second set of these. Both sets were/are H rated and for a passenger car, they truly feel like the grand touring tires they claim to be. I admit, my original tires were such low rolling resistance, anything would have been an improvement, but I'm old and have had a wide variety of autos over the years.
Correct. Not low profile.
click bait, he says hates the tire but says its the best haha
i listened to your entire video and i dont know when you say unacceptable, whether you mean too stiff or too soft. which one is it? i have a porsche cayenne gts, a rather heavy vehicle with quite some power resources, and i can easily do the top speeds you are referring to. my thoughts are that this tire may be too soft. yes i know that depends on road surface. thanks -
Hey. Short version. The load rating for the tyre was more than the car needed which caused the stiff ride. I changed to normal/car manufacturer recommended load rating, ie not "Heavy Duty" and the ride was normal.
I have brand new tires Cross Climate 2 DOT 2023, but have some very strange noise when turning left/right at high speed (80+km). I passed calibration front and rear axle and everything is ok on the suspension. The noise is only expressed at speeds above 80 km/h and is of a non-constant nature and is quite annoying. Any guesses if it could be from the tire tread, I didn't expect such a problem from such a high end tire. Are other people having a similar problem? After 1000km passed, noise is quite lower, but still exist.
How would you describe it exactly? I may have something similar going on as well, except I only hear and feel the vibration at 40+mph and sweeping left hand turns.
@brmakl1 some mechanics told me that could be from front broken bearing hub. Still not checked
@@krasimirkI had my car looked at (2013 Impreza hatchback) and they said all 4 of my wheel hub bearings were good. I’m not sure what to think at this point
@brmakl1 I have another pair of tyres, but I'm not sure worth it changing and testing
Based on what you wrote down, 100% it is NOT because of the tires.
If you look at the label information, it sais not for use in ice, but is okay for snow
Fair
Winter tyres say otherwise?
I have cross climate 2 and after 10k I have no complaints. They aren't loud and ride really smooth. You more than likely have a suspension issue go get car checked out.
Nonsense....my V rated speed CC2 ride supper smooth.
You compare a worn tire with a new one. This si absurd. There is no difference between a tire with a speed rating and another tire with different speed rating. Yes, the tire structure is stronger on the higher speed rating tire, but not to a level that you can feel this in the car.
A commenter said that the tires were also "heavy duty" and sure enough, it writes "heavy duty" on the sidewalls. Perhaps all high speed rating tyres in this size are heavy duty. Either way, high speed rating combined with being heavy duty I think explains the situation.
How is fuel consumption with the CC2? is it better or worse?
Also for my rim size it only gives me Y speed rating which is the highest, i guess im doomed 😅
I did a video on CC2 fuel consumption.
Worse
Depends on the car. I have a 2017 Corolla. My gas mileage didn't change
I'm loosing around 5 miles per gallon on cross climate 2 compared to original tires from car manufacturer. I have 2021 Toyota Rav4 hybrid and Im getting an average o 44.4 mpg city driving and using original tires from manufacturer which is Firestone Destination. After I replaced it with Cross Climate 2 I'm getting an average of 39.2 mpg. The diameter of the tires is also significantly smaller because There is difference of 4 KM/hour compared to aftermarket GPS.
Remember a brand new set of tires even the exact same model and size will have full tread depths which mean full weight and will require more fuel to move them. Fuel consumption and road noise always decreases as the tire treads wears down by loosing weight and less space available to generate friction acoustic noise between the road and the rubber. This is why most people notice the increases of fuel consumption and road noise after putting on a new set of tires. On my FWD HEV this was the trend after driven this set of tires for 58,800miles/94,600KM.
why chase the V speed rating. It has nothing to do with what anybody needs out of a tire like this.
All they have in my size is the V rated. I guess I will steer clear.
All he had to do to get the speed rating, is read the side of the tire or his recent.
You're right. It's a noob mistake I keep making. I give the tyre fitter the size I need but forget to give him the speed rating also.
these tires will decrease your gas mileage by 4 miles per gal.
Data pls
Lovely, I believe you are in Britain, H rating is Croosclimet 1, more suited for Europe, Crossclimet 2 is the V rating which is better for north America where snow season is longer
Wiper blades definitely uses a higher speed rating harder rubber
LOL. Best comment yet ;-)
Video incoming on the wiper situation (and solution)
I cant finish the video with his wipers making so much noise. Who tf drives with wipers that bad.
great video, thanks
Why change to H when the car is able to use the speed? Perhaps you live in a country with speed limits on the highway…. As long as our Autobahn is partly without speed limits, I think would never downgrade.
I CANT HEAR YOU YOUR WIPER BLADES ARE TO NOISY
Change your wipers 🥴 was like nails down a chalk board
New Wipers?
Yeah, new wipers sorted the noise completely.
The gas mileage lost for me were a deal breaker! I got rid of them. I lost 5 mpg. Not good on a daily drive of 60 miles a day
Almost all people report the mileage getting better after a few thousand miles. Why would you "get rid of" brand new tires?
If 5mpg is a problem in your life maybe you need a job near your home or vice versa.
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