worth noting how Goku Black’s forms in DB Super Heroes have red eyes instead of grey eyes like in the DB Super anime and manga. And he has SSJ Rosé 2, 3 and his final power up which resembles 3 but with eyebrows
You are completely right my friend. I should've highlighted these differences in the video but what's silly of me is that I noticed the eyebrow thing of SSR3 during the editing process. It was weird as I aways new there was a difference in GB's SS3 but I never realized it until working on this. I'm gonna pin the comment so people can see this. Thanks for pointing it out!
@@toughmangaming8275 hahaha yeah something seemed off to me too when I first saw these forms but it’s just a minor detail I noticed later on. Aso really curious how this version of Goku Black technically has 4 SSJ forms, the last one looking like an evolved version of regular SSJ Rosé 3. Nice vid keep up the good work 👌
Разве красные глаза не из-за маски? Типа, когда Бардок был в маске у него были красные глаза. Что должно означать, что у Блека глаза красные из-за маски нет? Да у Блека маска сломалась но его части всё ещё были у него на лице.
@@aguy9805 why does it have to retarded... while we can perfectly call it mastered like most other forms that need just slight power boost without inventing new forms entirely
One thing I absolutely loved about the broly movie is how different they made every transformation especially between the two god forms. Normal ssj was a slug fest it was pure hand throwing, but once both parties transformed into ssg, it was precise it was light it was mostly defense, then blue came out and it was pure raw power and I wish they would stay consistent with that format of making every transformation their OWN transformation
That’s what I love about the broly movie. Blue feels like an accurate combination of ssg and ssj. Pure power + precision. The aura gave off the vibe too.
Shoutouts to Xenoverse 2 for doing this exact thing. All three forms (the SSJ trilogy, SSG, and SSB/SSBE) provide different buffs and debuffs, so they all see use in different builds.
yep, blue shouldve never been about perfect control that shouldve been SSG's thing, blue shouldve literally been, a saiyan god turning super saiyan (also they shouldve just called super saiyan god, saiyan god, and then blue would be super saiyan god)
Not really any difference between super Saiyan and super Saiyan blue with what you're talking about. The only one that was any different was regular God but you pretended there was more of a difference to make your point work and I wish people wouldn't do that. Just say that you enjoyed that. They made super Saiyan God have like relevance don't over force a point not being an asshole or at least I'm really not trying to be super Saiyan started as raw power until broly caught up to him and when Goku did it he was out matched from the beginning so your point just doesn't make any sense
@@amadhollow635 I thought the same thing AND have been calling it Royal Blue. I guess this fanbase really thinks alike. Shame the official material picks strange names for these forms and isn't in on the fandom hivemind.
Super Saiyan Blue is the new super saiyan trend and super saiyan god has the base hairstyle but it's red and that’s why it’s super saiyan stacked on another transformation
I think the reason the wiki classifies Gogeta's unique form as Blue Evolution is because in the game, he is shown to be in the proper evolution form, and that specific unit for Gogeta released alongside Goku Black's Rose Full Power (the one with the eyebrows and ss3 hair).
Actually it’s because his card says “Blue Evolution” the cards always say the name of the form unless it’s Super Saiyan Beyond God, since that was supposed to be a surprise.
If you go and look at the card for it its stated to be blue evolution and in the art it looks more like what we are accustomed to seeing when vegeta uses blue evolution
I found it so funny godly versions of SSJ2 and SSJ3 became a thing in Heroes, as they feel like such obvious evolutions for the forms that's almost weird seeing them in a batshit crazy story like that. I even remember seeing fanart of SSJB 2 and 3 back in the day. Also, i'm pretty sure Hyourinjutsu predicted the whole "Black travels between timelines to kill Gokus and get stronger" which is pretty cool.
Wait, Hyorunjutsu PREDICTED that?? I thought he was just going off SDBH canon Now after checking the dates… yeah, he got it spot on! And it wouldn’t be the first time either lol
Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered up versions of Super Saiyan 1(Grade 4) - Full Power Super Saiyan. SS2 - supercharged SS1 SS3 - turbocharged SS1 SS2 and SS3 cannot be mastered but can be enhanced. Enhanced meaning the form can be trained to SS3 level and beyond. If you notice when Goku and Vegeta transform to SS2 and SS3(Goku) , their aura suddenly becomes more spikier and more rougher like SS1 Grade 1. While SS1 might be "weaker"and have a lesser multiplier, it's the most stable and the best to use because it can be mastered and enhanced to SS2,3 and even beyond God levels with training. Best way to use the SS forms are SS1 - normal use SS2 and 3 - need more power to defeat enemies
@@Soap029 in the manga, Trunks ssj2's beats Goku ssj3 (Goku had to go into god form for a split second to win against trunks, Beerus and Whis even comment on this saying its childish) Sure, he's half saiyan so he has more potential, but i wonder how strong Goku will be if he trained ssj2 and 3
I believe that how Blue works change depend on medias. RoF movie and its guide explain that by absorbing the power of SSG, he retains the power in his base, effectively changing the nature of his normal form, and in turn, SS form which was SSGSS at that time. But despite this, the guide (or interviews I don't remember) explained that the form is more tranquil with a degree of calmness and focus, opposite to the normal SSJ which is more rageful and emotionally compromised. The DBS manga changed that significantly, as not only SSG isn't absorbed and become the new form itself, but SSB seems to initially work like the normal SS with stamina issue, and it tooks 2 arcs for the form to be mastered similar to SS Grade 4, thus allow for Kaioken to be used on top. The anime is kinda a mess, as it seems to work the same as the movie at first with Kaioken Blue introduce earlier than the manga, but then they retcon it to be similar to SSB in the manga initially to reintroduce SSG, so now SSB is more of a rageful form like normal SS but not as emotionally compromised as that form, hence the use of Kaioken much earlier.
Seems like you did all the work for me! But in all seriousness, I think you're right on the money man. It does seem a little contradictory and there isn't much to imply the nuances of the form we see later in the series during its introduction. I sort of tell myself that the series likes to give the view surprises in how it uses these forms for its own narrative purposes (Anime: SSBKK and the Reintroduction of God, Manga: Reintroduction of God and MSSB). Whether or not this works all the time is up to the viewer, but I'm sure you guys can tell that there are a couple of instances where I think introducing new blue forms is pretty haphazardly done for both the characters and the narrative as a whole.
@@toughmangaming8275 I think if they was gonna introduced a Blue form that surpassed SSB, they should have make SSB2 instead rather than the odd bulky SSBE form.
@@MinhLe19303 I would say I agree, I think at the very least they should’ve made the connections between SSBE and super saiyan grade 2 instead of leaving it to head cannon
That’s not all true. In the DBS manga and anime it was stated that Goku absorbed the power of SSJG into his base form. His base form was then called Saiyan Beyond God. The SSJG form itself is different from the base form still retaining its powers. Normal SSJ Goku is still almost as strong as SSJG.
Thank you so much friend! That means so much to me, this is my first outing of long style content like this, but I plan to make weekly videos akin to this based on either narrative analysis or power sacling
@@AyathuthukaMhlongo purple lightsaber as in Samuel Jacksons character in starwars had a purple lightsaber purely so he stood out and be more special not cuz the colors purple since its more pink anyways
I'd like to post a theory about the nature of the Rose transformation: In Essence is a mimicry of Majin energy (as in demon energy), Zamasu being a Kaio with a heart rotten with negative essence he essencially is a Ma-Kaioshin (the evil beings that inhabit a banished realm) in all but name, his ki even becomes darker and sinister. So, any evil Saiyan capable of understanding Divine Ki should be able to reach this form.
Question: But isn't Zamasu like, thinking he's doing something good? One short I've watched (forgot who made it) stated that Zamasu was simply indoctrinated wrong or misunderstood what Gowasu said.
@@x4lv4ti0n7 Zamasu was indeed indoctrinated improperly, Gowasu is a big idiot, yet, it doesn't make much sense that a sane god of creation would be so repulsed by their creation, if you get me (Like, Universe's 7 Kaioshin being powerful enough to kill Freezer with one flick yet never did it for the sake of balance at large). Gowasu is a failure at large for no being able to see the rot within his apprentice.
In regards to Black's Rose form, the way it makes sense to me is that because he's actually Zamasu in Goku's body, he doesn't exactly get the SSG form because his spirit isn't that of a Saiyan. Instead, he gets a form composed of his own god ki due to being of the race of Kai's. It is then this alternative SSG form that he is stacking Super Saiyan on top of. This makes the form analogue to SSB, but slightly different. I would assume that if he were to ever transform into this alternative SSG, it would have the same physical attributes as SSG but would have Zamasu's blueish purple ki with a similar shade of the same color for the eyes and hair. That's just my own speculation however.
That’s similar to how I think of it. My theory is that it’s an order of operations type thing. Goku was a ssj that gained god ki, Zamasu is a god that gained the ability to go ssj.
The scene with him overpowering the massive amount of Power from the Universe Tree just reminded me of the scene with the Spirit Bomb being absorbed in his fight with Super Android 13 from the movie.
The SDBH Gogeta form’s aura reminds me a lot of the Stardust Breaker/Soul Punisher energy that erupted from Janemba in the Fusion Reborn movie. This probably doesn’t mean anything but I think it’s cool.
First thought i had for gogeta's unique form was that he was just using ultra instinct with blue like goku did in the manga but instead of just the principles like goku in the manga he actually stacked the forms with him being a fusion and how fusions are proven to have insane capabilities and almost infinite growth potential
It obviously is Blue Evolved, his eyes are dark blue, blue hair with shading, vegeta in heroes didnt have dark-dark blue hair in blue evolved Also, GOGETA SSJ4 Has black hair, fusion sometimes makes custom techniques and stuff.
Its literally two different ki types….. thats why it’s different and “acts as a base” god ki, and normal ki are different. Think of it like this. You have a cup which is you. When you use normal ki it fills with water. But when you use god ki the cup is emptied and filled with koolaid. When he uses god ki it affects him fundamentally changing his appearance and form to his super saiyan god. So now that hes using god ki and not normal ki its like he has to start all over again with learning how the ki works and all. So when he got super saiyan god its because he figured out how to go super saiyan with god ki which is different and not the same way as using it with normal ki. For zamasu/goku black. He literally uses god ki because he is a KAI so al he had to do is learn super saiyan. Super saiyan rose and super saiyan god super saiyan are the same zamasu is just a prodigy and his own ki/aura prolly mixed with the normal color of ssj with god ki or maybe every race has different god ki.
i´d prefer this explanation. but theres also the explanation, that god-ki is merely the product of keeping your ki inside and around your body, which sounds like something any ki-user should learn much earlier. In HxH theres the principle of "In", which controls your aura in a way, that you can keep it outside of your body and use it for your techniques, but prevents it from being sensed by others by preventing any aura from radiating off, allowing your attacks to become invisible. Its an advanced technique, but its introduced in the same arc, that introduced the powersystem. Godly ki should be something more special, like the mastered avatar state, where you detach yourself from your earthly connections and stuff and reach enlightenment or something.
@@proclarushtaonasatToei had an opportunity to set that difference in the Zamasu arc but then they gave Trunks another different form instead of SSJ Rosé after exploding with rage.
I know basically nothing in regards to modern DB, but what is the functional difference between normal ki usage and god ki usage? It sounds like a distinction without a difference.
@@deadaccount2968 nobody really know how exactly God Ki works, it just that mortals can't sense it and is way more powerful. But that doesn't mean that normal ki individuals can't rival the one with God Ki (since we know that SSJ4 isn't really far behind blue) it just really hard.
Well Structured script, good voice, well job in the music, good sources, the visuals are just enough, excellent video 10/10, please do more content like this 👍🏼
what needs to be emphasized is the manga and anime are separate continuities, they run alongside each other and share similar events but are SEPERATE at the end of the day blue works fundementally different in the anime vs the manga the energy expenditure thing is only ever focused on in the manga , in the manga its always been very clear that when their blue aura disappears that they are holding it in to maximize attack power and that's what perfected blue is, in the anime, all it gives is control of ki (no real specifics given) that allows the kaioken to be stacked onto it, that's why in the anime whenever he is in blue but there is no aura they don't say its a different state or that he's in any way stronger cause of this detail
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This whole time I've been assuming rosè is super Saiyan blue but it's what happens when an actual true deity uses that power which would make sense with being a kai and all
For the Gogeta one, I think it's meant to be like Gogeta 4 Limit Breaker. The only problem being that the two sayians no longer share a final form so it mashed Blue Evolution and UI together
I think Gogeta's Blue form is his own version of Blue Evolution, just mutated due to him being a fusion, similar to how Super Saiyan 4 mutates to being red hair and sparkly aura when used by SSJ4 Gogeta. Also Goku didn't absorb all the power of the universe tree, he just controlled it. As his blue aura has a long tail of energy, as if he's storing the access energy as a large aura, at least that's what I think.
That wwhole Blue Evolution being Mutated for Gogeta can be scratched, because in the Game and Manga he has the proper Blue Evolution design The Anime staff just wanted to be Fancy
I’ve always accepted the headcanon explanation for SSJ4 Gogeta having red hair being that GT takes place in a timeline where the events of Super have already played out. So Gogeta actually stacked SSJG on top of SSJ4.
Yes exactly, SSJG Is just the God Ki/God Iteration base form for Saiyan's. But it also got me thinking if there is a God Base version for other races. Because if Goku folded his Mortal SSJ onto the SSJG to get SSJB than could other races through the ritual of the same circumstances as the Saiyan's being 5 of pure heart attain a God Base for they're race.
I think Super Saiyan God is my favorite between it, Blue, and Rose. The fact it's both a transformation and a sort of base form is super badass, and I love the colors. But I think Super Saiyan Royal Blue is my favorite of the Blue iterations, just because of the colors.
@@toughmangaming8275 of course keep up the good work you should do more videos like this like all the super saiyan forms, or just how certain characters work like piccolo, or tien becuase DB though not often they show the progress of older characters. like with tien he went from crane school to leaving it the devolopment of his kikoho from the tournament, to saiyan saga, to cell. to becoming a master and teaching students himself.
@@MissDemonicTV that’s an awesome idea! I’ll definitely put that on the list of video ideas! I think a piccolo one would be really fun since not many fans acknowledge his origin and why him becoming a hero is so monumental to the series. I also wanna do a deep dive on Dragon Balls power system as I think there’s a lot to be said on how Ki works.
@toughmangaming8275 You can talk about every single instance of each portrayal of the dragon balls, canon, and non canon. especially the fake namek ones and the black star ones. and obviously the super dragon ball ones because the notion of it is, who created the super dragon balls? a god namekian? if anything, it is way more powerful than zeno and maybe the grand priest
Rose is neither Blue nor SSJ. It's Black mixing his own divine Ki with Super Saiyan to create his own god form. This makes sense too because Zamasu is a Kai and thus already has God Ki, it's even shown in the manga that Black can use regular SSJ. Rose is similar to SSB in power which is why it's always being compared to Blue.
Second thing worth noting is that the canons of the manga and the anime differ in details, so with Rosé, it’s possible that that *is* Black’s Super Saiyan in the anime (since he’s never seen using actual Super Saiyan in the anime). We just don’t know.
This video hoes hard 💪🏽 wayched till the end. I honestly disliked the form entirely until i started to read these comments and watching the video all the way through explaining pretty much all the lore and diversity with it. Its not my top favorite but i see the form in a greater light now. And you gained a new subscriber 👍🏾
I wish they had kept the strategy of going from Blue to God, I loved that, plus it kinda made that form useful for the first time after BOG. I do like that the anime later took that idea in the dyspo fight.
Here's my problem with SSJ Rose... In the show rose doesn't act like SSJ Blue at all in the anime it acts more like ssj1 and going off basic power scaling and statements from the beginning of the Future Trunks arc it makes even more sense. [Might change things] 1. In the beginning ssj2 Future Trunks could barely lay a finger on Black and got away by the skin of his teeth. 2. After Goku and Trunks's spar, Trunks specifically says that EVEN when Goku went Ssj3 that still might not be enough to beat Black. 3. Black enters the present timeline and sets his eyes on the Z fighters but specifically Goku, goku flies up to Black bout to fight and Goku specifically goes Ssj2 while black is still in base. It was also implied that BOTH were holding back. 4. Black perfects Goku's body at full. 5. Goku, Vegeta, & Trunks go into the destroyed future, Vegeta bursts at black while in Blue landing multiple shots on him but Vegeta immediately falls back as he senses a greater power. 6. Black turns Rose and dominates both Vegeta Trunks and Goku (minus Future Zamasu which is quite strong in his own right).
Rose is neither Blue nor SSJ. It's Black mixing his own divine Ki with Super Saiyan to create his own god form. This makes sense too because Zamasu is a Kai and thus already has God Ki, it's even shown in the manga that Black can use regular SSJ. Rose is similar to SSB in power which is why it's always being compared to Blue.
I forget about SSBE. It’s weird that vegeta now has two forms that match UI. I like your theory for SSJBE being Ssj grade 2 but now as SSJB. Anyways great video explaining a form that happens to confuse a lot of us.
I always saw SSBE as Super Sayain g2/Super Vegeta because at least in terms of the Anine, Vegeta always gets the sub powerups/Ability to skip forms. I mean we all knew Vegeta had to have been able to achieve SSG because when SSB was first introduced, it was treated as the God form of SSJ
I remember thinking that SS Blue in Resurrection F was very contrived because it was discovered off-screen. And then I remember that SS3 was introduced in exactly the same way. As well as Super Vegeta and USS Trunks.
damn bro i usually dont comment at all but u got 480 subs and i didnt even notice like i thought ur 10k or more atleast keep stuff like this up and u gonna go far
From what I understood since the S-Broly movie is that, like regular SS, SSGSS has it's variants and evolutions. SSB is the basic SSJ+God form for mortals; SSR is the "SS Type C" of the god forms (but its only for actual gods); SSBE is Grade 2 SSB. Then the Heroes Rosé 2, 3 are just SSG+ SS2-3 and Full power rosé is asspull SS4+God
So its Ssj god - similar to base form Ssj blue - super saiyan version of ssg Ssj blue kaioken - idk Ssj blue evolution - Ssj grade 2 Ssj blue mastered - Mastered ssj Ssj blue Berserk/dark - Similar to Majin Vegeta Ssj rose 2 - Ssj2 Ssj rose 3 - Ssj3 Ssj Rose full power - Ssj4....? Cuz of tail and lines under his eyes just like on Ssj4 Ssj Blue Gogeta evolution - idk Universal Ssj blue - hmmm reference to Super Android 13 Goku absorbing Spirit bomb and shining ssj hair like in Cooler's return Big gate star I guess that's it Nice video :D
great video man! very well done at explaining your thoughts on it all. the only “ negative “ i would have is try and up the quality from 360 to at least 480 or 720 if you ever get the chance too and maybe let the manga panels stay for about 2-3 seconds longer ( i know we can just pause it but still ) other than that fantastic job can’t wait to see more
My assumption is blue evolution is a godki purifed version of blue, regular blue's aura is like a mix between godki's flowing aura and super saiyans mundane aura, it even has tinges of yellow, blue evolution goes from cyan to royal blue and completely looses the yellow tinge in blue, the aura also ebbs and flows much more like regular God
It’s funny that you mention Trunks having the potential to use Super Saiyan Blue, as while it’s game-only, Future Trunks says something along the lines of “Now that I have the power of Super Saiyan Blue, I can defeat Black in the future!”
I have to disagree on the blue kaioken manga take More because it seens that the anime and manga use it in completly different ways The same thing as their super saiyan blues In the anime they dont need the mastering of the form and the aura dosent evolve too(at the start of the manga the blue aura was just a line, then it had blue flames in it and got more thick) So in base the kaioken that worked in the anime wont work with the manga and goku use then in a different way Goku in the anime used it more as a transformation and used it in long periods Goku in the manga used it two more times after the ToP Both where against moro and he used it as a big boost of power(being enough to cut off his arm) So saying that it completly misses the mark of ss blue i think it apply to the blue of anime but not from the manga Because they have some differences Also i think the ss blue evo being grade two could be used on the anime But not on the manga, more because vegeta dont really get much bulkier there I think ssb evo would be the peak ss blue(again the manga had goku and vegeta evolving ssb until the top where the flame and the line completly fused In comparison to the blue kaioken of goku that is a very white aura without any flames) Anyway good video analysis on ss blue
Can you make one of these but for the regular super Saiyan forms? Or even God. People like Carthu's dojo assumes that there is a ritual version of the god form by, the ritual. The other being of course the one they can teansform into at will. He exclaimed the reason why they mught be different being that in it's first initial introduction, the SSG form gave Goku a healing factor as well as a slightly weaker boost than later versions of the SSG form.
This is really interesting, I might look into that a bit more. I was considering throwing God into this video, but I feel like the video was long enough as it was
I disagree with your assessment of Rose, as I do believe the anime version is just Black’s version of SSJ, and not SSJB. I say this is the case due to both Vegeta’s and the promotional guides, which explicitly state it’s not his version of God, but regular SSJ. And this is also backed to me by Super Dragon Ball Heroes, which has him going into SSJ3. But as for the manga, it’s clearly his version of Blue
I respect the disagreement and the discussion! I think heroes might allude to what you’re saying but my interpretation is that heroes is saying ssb can evolve similarly to the normal super saiyan forms. Do you know these guides that talk about rose? I would love to know if there’s some important info I missed.
@@toughmangaming8275The situation with Rosè is actually pretty weird. To paraphrase Toriyama's translated notes (Credit to Herms): "[Black] becomes a Super Saiyan like Goku and a Super Saiyan of a slightly different color to Goku's." Anime Black was most likely meant to have both Super Saiyan and Rosè, but there was a misinterpretation of Toriyama's intent on Toei's end. They thought Rosé WAS his Super Saiyan form.
Nine Novem I don't know how it is in Japanese, but I can see how those notes can be mistaken at least with the translation. Toriyama meant that Goku Black had Super Saiyan _and_ a Super Saiyan of a different color (this probably being written before "Super Saiyan Blue" became the generally agreed upon name). But the people at Toei took it as he had Super Saiyan _that was_ a Super Saiyan with a different color. Doesn't help that he only drew base Goku Black and Rose Goku Black in his concept sketches, iirc.
The anime and manga are 2 seperate entities, so a manga rule shouldn’t apply to the anime unless its specificly shown / would logicly make sense. For example, the “turning blue too much” too make vegeta fight at just 10% of his full power in the u6 tournie doesn’t apply to super. It just wouldn’t make sense in the other situations that just turning blue drains you so much. The case where goku utilised god mixed in with turning blue to strike is an example where they used a simulair concept, but it wasn’t for the same reasons vegeta did it in the manga. Vegeta did it because it would be too draining to use blue at full power from the start, whereas goku in the TOP in the anime did it because he just hadn’t recoverd enough to use blue as his top transformation. He wisely decided to only push himself that far when needed. I know it sounds simulair, but the details make it 2 distinct reasonings for using that move
I think I understand where you’re coming from and I agree that the two canons are entirely different but since the video was assessing the forms as a whole, I thought it would be simpler to address what the anime said first and then what the manga has to say instead of covering the forms twice to cover both canons.
NGL, I was hoping that once scene when Supreme Kai of Time harmonized both Goku's energy & that both when their response Super Saiyan forms (As it did involve Blueper Saiyan).
Would you be willing to talk about the power of Broly and Kale? Their evolutions. Why their green haired forms are more potent than regular super saiyan ? What about Trunks' super saiyan rage form? Is it a variation super saiyan 2 ?
@I'm just a Dog I like to believe SSJ Rage is the Grade 2 of SSJ2 also the reason that Broly's Full Power SSJ form is so powerful is because it's literally SSJ4 but without a tail because it was created after Broly stacked SSJ on top of Ikari and that's ignoring that most of Broly's power came from rage boosts.
SSB Berserk Controllled is powerful but unfortunately it's not on the level of Silver UI. In the arcade which is Heroes main continuity shows in the battle with Black that Full Power Rose Black one shots SSB Berserk Controllled like in the anime. But in the arcade after overwhelming SS Rose 3 Black, Goku uses Silver UI against Full Power Rose Black but his UI was weakened and his accuracy dropped yet he still held his own and didn't get one shotted by Black like Vegeta did. SSB Berserk Controllled as a power up and form is only at best around UI Sign level.
This is why we need SSBE Controlled Berserk for Vegeta (my interpretation was that it was UI Omen level too because when gogeta in the manga talks bout them training it shows Goku in UI Omen and Vegeta in SSB CB) + I think the dark blue and muscle increase would look nice with the black aura and more menacing look
@@Elysian_Xeno Wow I'm now just seeing this lol but yeah agreed they need to make SSBE Berserk Controllled for sure. Not only will that look so cool but also he would be much stronger.
Finally someone who realizes that goku black just went super saiyan 1 (rose form) and not blue, otherwise it doesn’t make sense how vegeta would be able to overpower him later on after being manhandled by black in base
The reason SSBE is beloved by almost all is pretty simple: It's everything Vegeta, and by extension saiyans, are about. Drawing raw primal power through sheer force of will, only this time with the power of a god.
@@LoverofChildren No it's not if you know how to play it. Ss God Goku( After you Unlock him) Has A Better and Unique Moveset in that Game Compred to Ss God Goku in Xenoverse 1 and 2 which uses the Same Moveset and Skills as a Regular Goku.Also That game is where Whis and Beerus where First Playable
I'm telling you guys Gohan will be the next user of super Saiyan rosé because he has potential unlock and kai training it really would be ashamed to waste such a form and I feel like it matches with Gohan blue doesn't seem like his color
I can confirm for a fact Gogeta used SSB Evolved this is not only stated in the anniversary guide but also the back of his card text. His Big Bang Mission 10 secret rare card literally says 超サイヤ人ゴッド超サイヤ人・進化 Which translates to Super Saiyan Blue Evolution/Shinka. I translate Japanese and i have alot of information for Hereos. The reason why it looks that way in the anime is for one a design choice and also to show how much power Gogeta has in that form. But its just SSBE 100 percent.
@@toughmangaming8275 Your welcome btw Vegito may possibly use SSBE in the next episode for Hereos anime against Dark King Demigra. So let's see how they design the form for him will it be similar to how Gogeta has it or more like Vegeta we will see.
@@GodslayerSeiya I just may do that, if I do it’ll be more based on the great ape form and seeing it’s evolutions as I think ss4 has a lot but no where near as much to say as ssb
It's so frustrating how I can go looking for channels like yours and youtubes search just gives me the same 3 channels and I just have to wait until the algorithm graces me to be able to find stuff like this. I've subbed so hopefully I can catch any future videos!
For some more comparisons... "Evil Evolution SSJB" could be considered SSJB's Majin Vegeta counterpart as they both draw from the user's darker side while also forcing evolutions in power upon them. As for "SSJB Universe Tree" the use of the Spirit Bomb Stance gives a slight comparison to the "Spirit Saiyan" (for the TFS Fans) Form used in the Android 13 Movie, where Goku instead of chucking the Spirit Bomb at the opponent absorbs all of it's power into his Super Saiyan Form gaining a ridiculous power leap so much so the aura alone is damaging the surrounding area and antagonist. Also on the topic of Trunks, and by extension other Saiyan Hybrids, going SSJG it's a mixed bag for me. I always preferred the idea the "Super Saiyan Rage" Form Trunks used in the Goku Black Arc could be considered a sort of "Super Saiyan Demigod" exclusive to Saiyan Hybrids. That after sparing with God Ki users absorb *some* of that Ki, like Goku's Base Form did after using the actual form then Vegeta gaining access to via only sparing without the Ritual, but because they are only part Saiyan and can only absorb some of the God Ki it gives them a sudo God Form that is kind layered over their base SSJ from that point on (hence why it has the appearance of a SSJ2 wrapped in an inner aura reminiscent of SSJB). As well it just fits the naming scheme so well as a Demigod would be a Hybrid God, sounds much better and more thought out (yet only took 2 minutes from looking at) than a random power up that came out of no where with a redundant name (which we didn't even get a name for till it was in a card game or app) huh? Also also, there is Technically Sort Of Somwhat a form that was missed in this video, the 4D Theater Attraction Ride's exclusive "God Broly" Form which is never explained or seen again being a Form unique to Broly/LSSJ which looks like a SSJ3 with Eyebrows and the SSJ Grade 2 Muscles if I remember correctly. We have no idea if it is in any way even remotely connected to SSJB/God Ki, but I just wanted an excuse to reference that weird thing they did years ago...
5:51 goku uses the kioken against jiren in the manga in ssb V jump guides confirm this by calling it "super Saiyan blue kioken" even though it's stated to be "using the principles of the kioken" W video
You actually did forget there are 2 more Blue forms Super Saiyan Blue Barriere, Vegito used it against Fuu to avoid being hit by Cumber's Aura that Fuu blasted at him, it's basically Vegito's Saiyan Shield technique (he used it to prevent buu from absorbing him) combined with Blue, power wise it's just Blue with a better defense Then there is SSBlue Berserk, the uncontrolled version
Idk who needs to hear this, but the reality of dragonball is that New Hair Color = Stronger. That's it. You guys put way more effort into building this universe than Toriyama ever did.
That’s only true in the manga, in the anime it’s just Black’s regular SSJ form cuz he has god ki by default, so SSJ Rosé gives him a 50x multiplier and not whatever SSJ Blue would give to Goku and Vegeta
Rose is neither Blue nor SSJ. It's Black mixing his own divine Ki with Super Saiyan to create his own god form. This makes sense too because Zamasu is a Kai and thus already has God Ki, it's even shown in the manga that Black can use regular SSJ. Rose is similar to SSB in power which is why it's always being compared to Blue.
Surprised you didn’t mention Goku Black’s ability to conjure ki weapons in rosé. Closest thing a Z fighter has done like that is trunks enhancing his sword. Although it could be attributed to that not being Goku n Vegeta’s style of fighting, it’s worth noting
I was actually considering it but I think I may go in depth into that if I make a video focusing on Goku Black as I think there's a lot to be said about the character and his abilities
The Gogeta form is Blue Evolution, there was an official artwork based off of that very episode where it actually shows Gogeta with the Dark Blue Hair, aura, and bigger muscularity
worth noting how Goku Black’s forms in DB Super Heroes have red eyes instead of grey eyes like in the DB Super anime and manga. And he has SSJ Rosé 2, 3 and his final power up which resembles 3 but with eyebrows
You are completely right my friend. I should've highlighted these differences in the video but what's silly of me is that I noticed the eyebrow thing of SSR3 during the editing process. It was weird as I aways new there was a difference in GB's SS3 but I never realized it until working on this. I'm gonna pin the comment so people can see this. Thanks for pointing it out!
@@toughmangaming8275 hahaha yeah something seemed off to me too when I first saw these forms but it’s just a minor detail I noticed later on. Aso really curious how this version of Goku Black technically has 4 SSJ forms, the last one looking like an evolved version of regular SSJ Rosé 3. Nice vid keep up the good work 👌
Разве красные глаза не из-за маски? Типа, когда Бардок был в маске у него были красные глаза. Что должно означать, что у Блека глаза красные из-за маски нет? Да у Блека маска сломалась но его части всё ещё были у него на лице.
that last form is called ssj rose full power btw
@@aguy9805 why does it have to retarded... while we can perfectly call it mastered like most other forms that need just slight power boost without inventing new forms entirely
One thing I absolutely loved about the broly movie is how different they made every transformation especially between the two god forms. Normal ssj was a slug fest it was pure hand throwing, but once both parties transformed into ssg, it was precise it was light it was mostly defense, then blue came out and it was pure raw power and I wish they would stay consistent with that format of making every transformation their OWN transformation
That’s what I love about the broly movie. Blue feels like an accurate combination of ssg and ssj. Pure power + precision. The aura gave off the vibe too.
You're lucky if they go SSJ in the anime at all
Shoutouts to Xenoverse 2 for doing this exact thing. All three forms (the SSJ trilogy, SSG, and SSB/SSBE) provide different buffs and debuffs, so they all see use in different builds.
yep, blue shouldve never been about perfect control that shouldve been SSG's thing, blue shouldve literally been, a saiyan god turning super saiyan (also they shouldve just called super saiyan god, saiyan god, and then blue would be super saiyan god)
Not really any difference between super Saiyan and super Saiyan blue with what you're talking about. The only one that was any different was regular God but you pretended there was more of a difference to make your point work and I wish people wouldn't do that.
Just say that you enjoyed that. They made super Saiyan God have like relevance don't over force a point not being an asshole or at least I'm really not trying to be super Saiyan started as raw power until broly caught up to him and when Goku did it he was out matched from the beginning so your point just doesn't make any sense
“Saiyans are wisdom based Paladins” -Vegeta possibly
I’ll believe it
"The Saiyan is a fighting tribe."
Extra points if you know the game that Vegeta quote comes from. 😂
@@noneyabidness9644 imma take a shot in the dark and say ocean dub
@@lordomachuthegreat "game"
@@Theragtagna ocean dub
Strange coincidence because I always thought of SSB evolution as the "Super Vegeta" of the god forms too 😆
Same
Bro I say this all the time I thought it was fact
I always refused to call is Ssb evolution
It’s ss royal blue
@@amadhollow635 I thought the same thing AND have been calling it Royal Blue. I guess this fanbase really thinks alike. Shame the official material picks strange names for these forms and isn't in on the fandom hivemind.
Super Saiyan Blue is the new super saiyan trend and super saiyan god has the base hairstyle but it's red and that’s why it’s super saiyan stacked on another transformation
I think the reason the wiki classifies Gogeta's unique form as Blue Evolution is because in the game, he is shown to be in the proper evolution form, and that specific unit for Gogeta released alongside Goku Black's Rose Full Power (the one with the eyebrows and ss3 hair).
It obviously is Blue Evolved, his eyes are dark blue, blue hair with shading, vegeta in heroes didnt have dark-dark blue hair in blue evolved
Actually it’s because his card says “Blue Evolution” the cards always say the name of the form unless it’s Super Saiyan Beyond God, since that was supposed to be a surprise.
Eyebrows, ss3 hair, and a tail
If you go and look at the card for it its stated to be blue evolution and in the art it looks more like what we are accustomed to seeing when vegeta uses blue evolution
I like to think that each evolution of Blue is different for each user, that explained the difference between Vegeta and Gogeta
I found it so funny godly versions of SSJ2 and SSJ3 became a thing in Heroes, as they feel like such obvious evolutions for the forms that's almost weird seeing them in a batshit crazy story like that. I even remember seeing fanart of SSJB 2 and 3 back in the day. Also, i'm pretty sure Hyourinjutsu predicted the whole "Black travels between timelines to kill Gokus and get stronger" which is pretty cool.
Wait, Hyorunjutsu PREDICTED that?? I thought he was just going off SDBH canon
Now after checking the dates… yeah, he got it spot on! And it wouldn’t be the first time either lol
Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered up versions of Super Saiyan 1(Grade 4) - Full Power Super Saiyan.
SS2 - supercharged SS1
SS3 - turbocharged SS1
SS2 and SS3 cannot be mastered but can be enhanced. Enhanced meaning the form can be trained to SS3 level and beyond. If you notice when Goku and Vegeta transform to SS2 and SS3(Goku) , their aura suddenly becomes more spikier and more rougher like SS1 Grade 1. While SS1 might be "weaker"and have a lesser multiplier, it's the most stable and the best to use because it can be mastered and enhanced to SS2,3 and even beyond God levels with training.
Best way to use the SS forms are
SS1 - normal use
SS2 and 3 - need more power to defeat enemies
Another Hyourinjutsu fan??? You, my good sir, are awesome.
@@Soap029 in the manga, Trunks ssj2's beats Goku ssj3 (Goku had to go into god form for a split second to win against trunks, Beerus and Whis even comment on this saying its childish)
Sure, he's half saiyan so he has more potential, but i wonder how strong Goku will be if he trained ssj2 and 3
@@mariotheundying yeah but those forms are just power ups to SSJ but yeah it's better he sticks to that form
I believe that how Blue works change depend on medias. RoF movie and its guide explain that by absorbing the power of SSG, he retains the power in his base, effectively changing the nature of his normal form, and in turn, SS form which was SSGSS at that time. But despite this, the guide (or interviews I don't remember) explained that the form is more tranquil with a degree of calmness and focus, opposite to the normal SSJ which is more rageful and emotionally compromised. The DBS manga changed that significantly, as not only SSG isn't absorbed and become the new form itself, but SSB seems to initially work like the normal SS with stamina issue, and it tooks 2 arcs for the form to be mastered similar to SS Grade 4, thus allow for Kaioken to be used on top. The anime is kinda a mess, as it seems to work the same as the movie at first with Kaioken Blue introduce earlier than the manga, but then they retcon it to be similar to SSB in the manga initially to reintroduce SSG, so now SSB is more of a rageful form like normal SS but not as emotionally compromised as that form, hence the use of Kaioken much earlier.
Seems like you did all the work for me! But in all seriousness, I think you're right on the money man. It does seem a little contradictory and there isn't much to imply the nuances of the form we see later in the series during its introduction. I sort of tell myself that the series likes to give the view surprises in how it uses these forms for its own narrative purposes (Anime: SSBKK and the Reintroduction of God, Manga: Reintroduction of God and MSSB). Whether or not this works all the time is up to the viewer, but I'm sure you guys can tell that there are a couple of instances where I think introducing new blue forms is pretty haphazardly done for both the characters and the narrative as a whole.
@@toughmangaming8275 I think if they was gonna introduced a Blue form that surpassed SSB, they should have make SSB2 instead rather than the odd bulky SSBE form.
@@MinhLe19303 I would say I agree, I think at the very least they should’ve made the connections between SSBE and super saiyan grade 2 instead of leaving it to head cannon
That’s not all true. In the DBS manga and anime it was stated that Goku absorbed the power of SSJG into his base form. His base form was then called Saiyan Beyond God. The SSJG form itself is different from the base form still retaining its powers. Normal SSJ Goku is still almost as strong as SSJG.
@@GodVanisher No, Saiyan beyond God never happened in the manga, as the SSG form never got absorbed
definitely expected this guy to have more subs than this because of how clean and proper this video is
Thank you so much friend! That means so much to me, this is my first outing of long style content like this, but I plan to make weekly videos akin to this based on either narrative analysis or power sacling
Oh same I thought he'd have more I subbed
SSJ Rosé is basically the purple lightsaber of Dragonball
It's just ssb with the divine ki of a kai THATS WHY ITS PURPLE it's so simple...,just check what zamasus ki looks like it's purple-ish
@@AyathuthukaMhlongo purple lightsaber as in Samuel Jacksons character in starwars had a purple lightsaber purely so he stood out and be more special not cuz the colors purple since its more pink anyways
@@frozenfeonix1328 and because it's cool af and only one person has it
I'd like to post a theory about the nature of the Rose transformation: In Essence is a mimicry of Majin energy (as in demon energy), Zamasu being a Kaio with a heart rotten with negative essence he essencially is a Ma-Kaioshin (the evil beings that inhabit a banished realm) in all but name, his ki even becomes darker and sinister.
So, any evil Saiyan capable of understanding Divine Ki should be able to reach this form.
That's a really cool theory!
Question: But isn't Zamasu like, thinking he's doing something good? One short I've watched (forgot who made it) stated that Zamasu was simply indoctrinated wrong or misunderstood what Gowasu said.
@@x4lv4ti0n7 Zamasu was indeed indoctrinated improperly, Gowasu is a big idiot, yet, it doesn't make much sense that a sane god of creation would be so repulsed by their creation, if you get me (Like, Universe's 7 Kaioshin being powerful enough to kill Freezer with one flick yet never did it for the sake of balance at large). Gowasu is a failure at large for no being able to see the rot within his apprentice.
Apparently multiple sources state that Zamasu’s heart is pure, but that just makes things worse
@@linkfan6555 Pure indeed... Pure evil, that is.
In regards to Black's Rose form, the way it makes sense to me is that because he's actually Zamasu in Goku's body, he doesn't exactly get the SSG form because his spirit isn't that of a Saiyan. Instead, he gets a form composed of his own god ki due to being of the race of Kai's. It is then this alternative SSG form that he is stacking Super Saiyan on top of. This makes the form analogue to SSB, but slightly different. I would assume that if he were to ever transform into this alternative SSG, it would have the same physical attributes as SSG but would have Zamasu's blueish purple ki with a similar shade of the same color for the eyes and hair. That's just my own speculation however.
That’s similar to how I think of it. My theory is that it’s an order of operations type thing. Goku was a ssj that gained god ki, Zamasu is a god that gained the ability to go ssj.
Megaman Zero PFP???
I think its just because
Marketing
@@eggmug562you just don't understand it's his version of ssb because he's a kai
@AyathuthukaMhlongo no shit I know that I'm saying the behind the scenes reason for that dumbass decision is probably marketing
The scene with him overpowering the massive amount of Power from the Universe Tree just reminded me of the scene with the Spirit Bomb being absorbed in his fight with Super Android 13 from the movie.
Feels like a combination of that with Goku taking energy from the Tree of Might since he used the villain's tree against them.
The SDBH Gogeta form’s aura reminds me a lot of the Stardust Breaker/Soul Punisher energy that erupted from Janemba in the Fusion Reborn movie. This probably doesn’t mean anything but I think it’s cool.
First thought i had for gogeta's unique form was that he was just using ultra instinct with blue like goku did in the manga but instead of just the principles like goku in the manga he actually stacked the forms with him being a fusion and how fusions are proven to have insane capabilities and almost infinite growth potential
It obviously is Blue Evolved, his eyes are dark blue, blue hair with shading, vegeta in heroes didnt have dark-dark blue hair in blue evolved
Also, GOGETA SSJ4 Has black hair, fusion sometimes makes custom techniques and stuff.
@@ch4rliegaming you have zero imagination and are 100 percent colorblind
No
Its literally two different ki types….. thats why it’s different and “acts as a base” god ki, and normal ki are different. Think of it like this. You have a cup which is you. When you use normal ki it fills with water. But when you use god ki the cup is emptied and filled with koolaid. When he uses god ki it affects him fundamentally changing his appearance and form to his super saiyan god. So now that hes using god ki and not normal ki its like he has to start all over again with learning how the ki works and all. So when he got super saiyan god its because he figured out how to go super saiyan with god ki which is different and not the same way as using it with normal ki.
For zamasu/goku black. He literally uses god ki because he is a KAI so al he had to do is learn super saiyan. Super saiyan rose and super saiyan god super saiyan are the same zamasu is just a prodigy and his own ki/aura prolly mixed with the normal color of ssj with god ki or maybe every race has different god ki.
i´d prefer this explanation. but theres also the explanation, that god-ki is merely the product of keeping your ki inside and around your body, which sounds like something any ki-user should learn much earlier.
In HxH theres the principle of "In", which controls your aura in a way, that you can keep it outside of your body and use it for your techniques, but prevents it from being sensed by others by preventing any aura from radiating off, allowing your attacks to become invisible. Its an advanced technique, but its introduced in the same arc, that introduced the powersystem.
Godly ki should be something more special, like the mastered avatar state, where you detach yourself from your earthly connections and stuff and reach enlightenment or something.
@@proclarushtaonasatToei had an opportunity to set that difference in the Zamasu arc but then they gave Trunks another different form instead of SSJ Rosé after exploding with rage.
I know basically nothing in regards to modern DB, but what is the functional difference between normal ki usage and god ki usage? It sounds like a distinction without a difference.
@@deadaccount2968 basically everyone has always been ki- incontinent. those that manage to stop leaking, are worthy of godhood. 😮💨
@@deadaccount2968 nobody really know how exactly God Ki works, it just that mortals can't sense it and is way more powerful.
But that doesn't mean that normal ki individuals can't rival the one with God Ki (since we know that SSJ4 isn't really far behind blue) it just really hard.
I realized that Dragon ball does not think about dragon ball as much as we do
It’s a crime that you don’t have more subs, this is some great content and really well researched!
Well Structured script, good voice, well job in the music, good sources, the visuals are just enough, excellent video 10/10, please do more content like this 👍🏼
Thank so how much!!
what needs to be emphasized is the manga and anime are separate continuities, they run alongside each other and share similar events but are SEPERATE at the end of the day
blue works fundementally different in the anime vs the manga the energy expenditure thing is only ever focused on in the manga , in the manga its always been very clear that when their blue aura disappears that they are holding it in to maximize attack power and that's what perfected blue is, in the anime, all it gives is control of ki (no real specifics given) that allows the kaioken to be stacked onto it, that's why in the anime whenever he is in blue but there is no aura they don't say its a different state or that he's in any way stronger cause of this detail
bro why are small content creators making such clean videos, this is a wonderful info video, i was expecting you had like 10-50k subscribers
Once they have more subs , they only make videos for views and money end up producing generic content to please people and keep sponsors.
Small content creators can take more risks and have more freedom therefore in thier content. As even if the video doesn't take off or thier channel gets banned they can start over .
This whole time I've been assuming rosè is super Saiyan blue but it's what happens when an actual true deity uses that power which would make sense with being a kai and all
This was probably one of my favourite form breakdowns on yt, can't wait for more
For the Gogeta one, I think it's meant to be like Gogeta 4 Limit Breaker. The only problem being that the two sayians no longer share a final form so it mashed Blue Evolution and UI together
19:01 My brother, Super Saiyan Blue EVILution was right there for you to use.
I think Gogeta's Blue form is his own version of Blue Evolution, just mutated due to him being a fusion, similar to how Super Saiyan 4 mutates to being red hair and sparkly aura when used by SSJ4 Gogeta.
Also Goku didn't absorb all the power of the universe tree, he just controlled it. As his blue aura has a long tail of energy, as if he's storing the access energy as a large aura, at least that's what I think.
That wwhole Blue Evolution being Mutated for Gogeta can be scratched, because in the Game and Manga he has the proper Blue Evolution design
The Anime staff just wanted to be Fancy
@@hoshiryu I know the animators wanted to be fancy. I'm just trying to give my reasoning for an in-universe explanation, not an animation explanation.
I’ve always accepted the headcanon explanation for SSJ4 Gogeta having red hair being that GT takes place in a timeline where the events of Super have already played out.
So Gogeta actually stacked SSJG on top of SSJ4.
@@keyuke06 ..... sounds reasonable, but in that Timeline, Omega would have to be much more Powerful than anyone in Super, which is just ... not it
@@xxmurderer7xx287 in-universe they see regular SSBlue Evolution, that is it
Or Gogeta evolved it even further and is the only one thta can access it
9:29 that's kinda funny, Zamasu unlocked the secret easter egg form in Sayain DNA.
love the over-analysis! great video!
Underrated channel, you deserve more subs. Especially if more content of this quality is made.
What makes a high quality video? Is it flashy edits or information shared? Because this video is a good breakdown but the editing is not that crazy.
He did *not* make more content like this
Yes exactly, SSJG Is just the God Ki/God Iteration base form for Saiyan's. But it also got me thinking if there is a God Base version for other races. Because if Goku folded his Mortal SSJ onto the SSJG to get SSJB than could other races through the ritual of the same circumstances as the Saiyan's being 5 of pure heart attain a God Base for they're race.
The manga actually makes me love the transformation
I love the concept and wish it was executed better in the anime and was done the same as the manga
I think Super Saiyan God is my favorite between it, Blue, and Rose. The fact it's both a transformation and a sort of base form is super badass, and I love the colors.
But I think Super Saiyan Royal Blue is my favorite of the Blue iterations, just because of the colors.
im glad youtube is recommending this video especially with how low your sub count it this is a very detailed an nicely edited summary of the form.
Dude! Thank you, That means so much to me. I’m glad you enjoyed.
@@toughmangaming8275 of course keep up the good work you should do more videos like this like all the super saiyan forms, or just how certain characters work like piccolo, or tien becuase DB though not often they show the progress of older characters. like with tien he went from crane school to leaving it the devolopment of his kikoho from the tournament, to saiyan saga, to cell. to becoming a master and teaching students himself.
@@MissDemonicTV that’s an awesome idea! I’ll definitely put that on the list of video ideas! I think a piccolo one would be really fun since not many fans acknowledge his origin and why him becoming a hero is so monumental to the series. I also wanna do a deep dive on Dragon Balls power system as I think there’s a lot to be said on how Ki works.
@toughmangaming8275 You can talk about every single instance of each portrayal of the dragon balls, canon, and non canon. especially the fake namek ones and the black star ones. and obviously the super dragon ball ones because the notion of it is, who created the super dragon balls? a god namekian? if anything, it is way more powerful than zeno and maybe the grand priest
Really underrated, you did very well on this video my friend.
Thank you so much freind!
Rose is neither Blue nor SSJ. It's Black mixing his own divine Ki with Super Saiyan to create his own god form. This makes sense too because Zamasu is a Kai and thus already has God Ki, it's even shown in the manga that Black can use regular SSJ. Rose is similar to SSB in power which is why it's always being compared to Blue.
This dude deserves way more recognition. The video was neatly put together; I loved it!
Second thing worth noting is that the canons of the manga and the anime differ in details, so with Rosé, it’s possible that that *is* Black’s Super Saiyan in the anime (since he’s never seen using actual Super Saiyan in the anime). We just don’t know.
I never knew how the psuedo universe worked before. But I find it even cooler Zamasu was this energy combo
This video hoes hard 💪🏽 wayched till the end. I honestly disliked the form entirely until i started to read these comments and watching the video all the way through explaining pretty much all the lore and diversity with it. Its not my top favorite but i see the form in a greater light now. And you gained a new subscriber 👍🏾
Thank you so much man! I really appreciate it
Take a drink every time he's says blue
I wish they had kept the strategy of going from Blue to God, I loved that, plus it kinda made that form useful for the first time after BOG. I do like that the anime later took that idea in the dyspo fight.
I know I'm really late, but Dragon Ball The Breakers states that Rosé seems to be an evolved form of Super Sayian God.
Here's my problem with SSJ Rose...
In the show rose doesn't act like SSJ Blue at all in the anime it acts more like ssj1 and going off basic power scaling and statements from the beginning of the Future Trunks arc it makes even more sense.
[Might change things]
1. In the beginning ssj2 Future Trunks could barely lay a finger on Black and got away by the skin of his teeth.
2. After Goku and Trunks's spar, Trunks specifically says that EVEN when Goku went Ssj3 that still might not be enough to beat Black.
3. Black enters the present timeline and sets his eyes on the Z fighters but specifically Goku, goku flies up to Black bout to fight and Goku specifically goes Ssj2 while black is still in base. It was also implied that BOTH were holding back.
4. Black perfects Goku's body at full.
5. Goku, Vegeta, & Trunks go into the destroyed future, Vegeta bursts at black while in Blue landing multiple shots on him but Vegeta immediately falls back as he senses a greater power.
6. Black turns Rose and dominates both Vegeta Trunks and Goku (minus Future Zamasu which is quite strong in his own right).
Rose is neither Blue nor SSJ. It's Black mixing his own divine Ki with Super Saiyan to create his own god form. This makes sense too because Zamasu is a Kai and thus already has God Ki, it's even shown in the manga that Black can use regular SSJ. Rose is similar to SSB in power which is why it's always being compared to Blue.
I forget about SSBE. It’s weird that vegeta now has two forms that match UI. I like your theory for SSJBE being Ssj grade 2 but now as SSJB. Anyways great video explaining a form that happens to confuse a lot of us.
Ssbe is blue kioken x20 equivalent not ultra instinct only ultra ego can keep up with instinct not ssbe
I always saw SSBE as Super Sayain g2/Super Vegeta because at least in terms of the Anine, Vegeta always gets the sub powerups/Ability to skip forms. I mean we all knew Vegeta had to have been able to achieve SSG because when SSB was first introduced, it was treated as the God form of SSJ
Honestly, pretty great video!
Cant wait to see what else you have cooking
Thank you so much!
Feels like I watched this video 6 years ago but idk why😅
Holy shit this video blew up for you. Hope you gain tons of subs. Looking forward to more
Hey, thanks so much man! I'm so lucky and grateful this ended up happening
I remember thinking that SS Blue in Resurrection F was very contrived because it was discovered off-screen. And then I remember that SS3 was introduced in exactly the same way. As well as Super Vegeta and USS Trunks.
damn bro i usually dont comment at all but u got 480 subs and i didnt even notice like i thought ur 10k or more atleast keep stuff like this up and u gonna go far
Thanks so much friend, I appreciate the support!
tbh I really wish SSG was the peak god ki form, I LOVE how the red hair looks on goku
You earned my sub, great video and great analysis
Best explanation… THEY WANTED TO SELL TOYS!
And changing the hair color of SSJ means people will have to buy new toys 😂
Super's forms were so mishandled.
From what I understood since the S-Broly movie is that, like regular SS, SSGSS has it's variants and evolutions. SSB is the basic SSJ+God form for mortals; SSR is the "SS Type C" of the god forms (but its only for actual gods); SSBE is Grade 2 SSB. Then the Heroes Rosé 2, 3 are just SSG+ SS2-3 and Full power rosé is asspull SS4+God
This was too clean. Exceptionally great analysis. Just subscribed notifications bell on!!!
I actually love the concept and design of SSB. The classic SSJ look with that sick blue hair.
So its
Ssj god - similar to base form
Ssj blue - super saiyan version of ssg
Ssj blue kaioken - idk
Ssj blue evolution - Ssj grade 2
Ssj blue mastered - Mastered ssj
Ssj blue Berserk/dark - Similar to Majin Vegeta
Ssj rose 2 - Ssj2
Ssj rose 3 - Ssj3
Ssj Rose full power - Ssj4....? Cuz of tail and lines under his eyes just like on Ssj4
Ssj Blue Gogeta evolution - idk
Universal Ssj blue - hmmm reference to Super Android 13 Goku absorbing Spirit bomb and shining ssj hair like in Cooler's return Big gate star
I guess that's it
Nice video :D
I think that’s about right 👍
Wait a sec,If Blue kaioken is basically Super kaioken but with the god ki forms instead of the normal SSJ transformation
@@somediegoguy4758 hmmm yeah :v
this guy's narrative skills are underrated
For me at least blue Kioken was an amazing build up to ultra instinct.
yknow I was struggling with how blue works but it's good to know this video exists.
great video man! very well done at explaining your thoughts on it all. the only “ negative “ i would have is try and up the quality from 360 to at least 480 or 720 if you ever get the chance too and maybe let the manga panels stay for about 2-3 seconds longer ( i know we can just pause it but still ) other than that fantastic job can’t wait to see more
My assumption is blue evolution is a godki purifed version of blue, regular blue's aura is like a mix between godki's flowing aura and super saiyans mundane aura, it even has tinges of yellow, blue evolution goes from cyan to royal blue and completely looses the yellow tinge in blue, the aura also ebbs and flows much more like regular God
This was a really cool video! I really enjoyed it! :D
Thank you so much! I plan to make similar content to this every week as well as power scaling videos in the future!
You will never be a real
It’s funny that you mention Trunks having the potential to use Super Saiyan Blue, as while it’s game-only, Future Trunks says something along the lines of “Now that I have the power of Super Saiyan Blue, I can defeat Black in the future!”
I have to disagree on the blue kaioken manga take
More because it seens that the anime and manga use it in completly different ways
The same thing as their super saiyan blues
In the anime they dont need the mastering of the form and the aura dosent evolve too(at the start of the manga the blue aura was just a line, then it had blue flames in it and got more thick)
So in base the kaioken that worked in the anime wont work with the manga and goku use then in a different way
Goku in the anime used it more as a transformation and used it in long periods
Goku in the manga used it two more times after the ToP
Both where against moro and he used it as a big boost of power(being enough to cut off his arm)
So saying that it completly misses the mark of ss blue i think it apply to the blue of anime but not from the manga
Because they have some differences
Also i think the ss blue evo being grade two could be used on the anime
But not on the manga, more because vegeta dont really get much bulkier there
I think ssb evo would be the peak ss blue(again the manga had goku and vegeta evolving ssb until the top where the flame and the line completly fused
In comparison to the blue kaioken of goku that is a very white aura without any flames)
Anyway good video analysis on ss blue
Loving the Dokkan OSTs in the background.
Can you make one of these but for the regular super Saiyan forms? Or even God. People like Carthu's dojo assumes that there is a ritual version of the god form by, the ritual. The other being of course the one they can teansform into at will. He exclaimed the reason why they mught be different being that in it's first initial introduction, the SSG form gave Goku a healing factor as well as a slightly weaker boost than later versions of the SSG form.
This is really interesting, I might look into that a bit more. I was considering throwing God into this video, but I feel like the video was long enough as it was
@@toughmangaming8275true, 28 minutes is a lot to edit
I’d say the og ssj is the most notorious form in the series
I disagree with your assessment of Rose, as I do believe the anime version is just Black’s version of SSJ, and not SSJB. I say this is the case due to both Vegeta’s and the promotional guides, which explicitly state it’s not his version of God, but regular SSJ. And this is also backed to me by Super Dragon Ball Heroes, which has him going into SSJ3. But as for the manga, it’s clearly his version of Blue
I respect the disagreement and the discussion! I think heroes might allude to what you’re saying but my interpretation is that heroes is saying ssb can evolve similarly to the normal super saiyan forms. Do you know these guides that talk about rose? I would love to know if there’s some important info I missed.
@@toughmangaming8275 Dragon Ball Park monthly states the form is just Super Saiyan
@@toughmangaming8275The situation with Rosè is actually pretty weird. To paraphrase Toriyama's translated notes (Credit to Herms): "[Black] becomes a Super Saiyan like Goku and a Super Saiyan of a slightly different color to Goku's." Anime Black was most likely meant to have both Super Saiyan and Rosè, but there was a misinterpretation of Toriyama's intent on Toei's end. They thought Rosé WAS his Super Saiyan form.
Nine Novem I don't know how it is in Japanese, but I can see how those notes can be mistaken at least with the translation.
Toriyama meant that Goku Black had Super Saiyan _and_ a Super Saiyan of a different color (this probably being written before "Super Saiyan Blue" became the generally agreed upon name). But the people at Toei took it as he had Super Saiyan _that was_ a Super Saiyan with a different color.
Doesn't help that he only drew base Goku Black and Rose Goku Black in his concept sketches, iirc.
Anime Black being significantly stronger than Manga Black helps out a fair bit, too.
"After some bulging of veins and his shirt being annihilated" Sums up Dragon Ball pretty well
I'd like to see super human god.
Hopefully yamcha or krillin will unlock it soon
As soon as you described Blue Evolution, I got Super Saiyan Grade 2 vibes, so I feel the headcanon makes sense.
The anime and manga are 2 seperate entities, so a manga rule shouldn’t apply to the anime unless its specificly shown / would logicly make sense. For example, the “turning blue too much” too make vegeta fight at just 10% of his full power in the u6 tournie doesn’t apply to super. It just wouldn’t make sense in the other situations that just turning blue drains you so much. The case where goku utilised god mixed in with turning blue to strike is an example where they used a simulair concept, but it wasn’t for the same reasons vegeta did it in the manga. Vegeta did it because it would be too draining to use blue at full power from the start, whereas goku in the TOP in the anime did it because he just hadn’t recoverd enough to use blue as his top transformation. He wisely decided to only push himself that far when needed. I know it sounds simulair, but the details make it 2 distinct reasonings for using that move
I think I understand where you’re coming from and I agree that the two canons are entirely different but since the video was assessing the forms as a whole, I thought it would be simpler to address what the anime said first and then what the manga has to say instead of covering the forms twice to cover both canons.
NGL, I was hoping that once scene when Supreme Kai of Time harmonized both Goku's energy & that both when their response Super Saiyan forms (As it did involve Blueper Saiyan).
You could just make a analysis video on super dragon ball heroes as a whole it’s honestly ridiculous how many characters get new forms.
Always thought blue evolution was canon but this video just confirms it all the way
Would you be willing to talk about the power of Broly and Kale? Their evolutions. Why their green haired forms are more potent than regular super saiyan ? What about Trunks' super saiyan rage form? Is it a variation super saiyan 2 ?
I think there is a video idea there! I might tackle it at some point, especially Broly and Kale!
@I'm just a Dog I like to believe SSJ Rage is the Grade 2 of SSJ2 also the reason that Broly's Full Power SSJ form is so powerful is because it's literally SSJ4 but without a tail because it was created after Broly stacked SSJ on top of Ikari and that's ignoring that most of Broly's power came from rage boosts.
SSB Berserk Controllled is powerful but unfortunately it's not on the level of Silver UI. In the arcade which is Heroes main continuity shows in the battle with Black that Full Power Rose Black one shots SSB Berserk Controllled like in the anime. But in the arcade after overwhelming SS Rose 3 Black, Goku uses Silver UI against Full Power Rose Black but his UI was weakened and his accuracy dropped yet he still held his own and didn't get one shotted by Black like Vegeta did.
SSB Berserk Controllled as a power up and form is only at best around UI Sign level.
This is why we need SSBE Controlled Berserk for Vegeta (my interpretation was that it was UI Omen level too because when gogeta in the manga talks bout them training it shows Goku in UI Omen and Vegeta in SSB CB) + I think the dark blue and muscle increase would look nice with the black aura and more menacing look
@@Elysian_Xeno Wow I'm now just seeing this lol but yeah agreed they need to make SSBE Berserk Controllled for sure. Not only will that look so cool but also he would be much stronger.
Goku has indeed come a long way...
Finally someone who realizes that goku black just went super saiyan 1 (rose form) and not blue, otherwise it doesn’t make sense how vegeta would be able to overpower him later on after being manhandled by black in base
The manga makes it weord since black uses actual ssj, but that can be prolly explained by him just not using his divine ki along with his ssj or smth
The reason SSBE is beloved by almost all is pretty simple: It's everything Vegeta, and by extension saiyans, are about. Drawing raw primal power through sheer force of will, only this time with the power of a god.
Super Saiyan God Goku in Dbz Battle of Z game is Called The God of The Saiyans.
@@hurricane7727 that game is garbage
@@LoverofChildren No it's not if you know how to play it. Ss God Goku( After you Unlock him) Has A Better and Unique Moveset in that Game Compred to Ss God Goku in Xenoverse 1 and 2 which uses the Same Moveset and Skills as a Regular Goku.Also That game is where Whis and Beerus where First Playable
It's FINALLY been confirmed that Goku indeed Used the Kiao-ken Blue against Jiren
it has been since the official dragon ball web page said so
25:54 from the back of the card. It's called Shinka, which means Evolution, same as Vegeta's Evolution
I'm telling you guys Gohan will be the next user of super Saiyan rosé because he has potential unlock and kai training it really would be ashamed to waste such a form and I feel like it matches with Gohan blue doesn't seem like his color
I love how the universe tree super saiyan blue reminds me of how he absorbed the spirit bomb in the android 13 movie
I can confirm for a fact Gogeta used SSB Evolved this is not only stated in the anniversary guide but also the back of his card text.
His Big Bang Mission 10 secret rare card literally says
超サイヤ人ゴッド超サイヤ人・進化
Which translates to Super Saiyan Blue Evolution/Shinka. I translate Japanese and i have alot of information for Hereos.
The reason why it looks that way in the anime is for one a design choice and also to show how much power Gogeta has in that form. But its just SSBE 100 percent.
That’s awesome! Thank you for confirming.
@@toughmangaming8275 Your welcome btw Vegito may possibly use SSBE in the next episode for Hereos anime against Dark King Demigra. So let's see how they design the form for him will it be similar to how Gogeta has it or more like Vegeta we will see.
@@toughmangaming8275 btw good video you should do a SS4 forms video one next.
@@GodslayerSeiya I just may do that, if I do it’ll be more based on the great ape form and seeing it’s evolutions as I think ss4 has a lot but no where near as much to say as ssb
@@toughmangaming8275 Thats true but yeah that would be cool start with the Great Ape form since that's where SS4 comes from.
It's so frustrating how I can go looking for channels like yours and youtubes search just gives me the same 3 channels and I just have to wait until the algorithm graces me to be able to find stuff like this. I've subbed so hopefully I can catch any future videos!
Reminds me of how SSJ Blue turned out in Dragonball Hakai (Fan Manga). No spoilers, go check it out; no I don't have any link
The Dokkan soundtrack in the video 🔥
Gogeta vs Goku black was in Ultra Blue( U.I. + SSJBlue )
Thats what I’ve been thinking, but the wiki calls it ssbe!
@@toughmangaming8275 Ok man
For some more comparisons...
"Evil Evolution SSJB" could be considered SSJB's Majin Vegeta counterpart as they both draw from the user's darker side while also forcing evolutions in power upon them.
As for "SSJB Universe Tree" the use of the Spirit Bomb Stance gives a slight comparison to the "Spirit Saiyan" (for the TFS Fans) Form used in the Android 13 Movie, where Goku instead of chucking the Spirit Bomb at the opponent absorbs all of it's power into his Super Saiyan Form gaining a ridiculous power leap so much so the aura alone is damaging the surrounding area and antagonist.
Also on the topic of Trunks, and by extension other Saiyan Hybrids, going SSJG it's a mixed bag for me. I always preferred the idea the "Super Saiyan Rage" Form Trunks used in the Goku Black Arc could be considered a sort of "Super Saiyan Demigod" exclusive to Saiyan Hybrids. That after sparing with God Ki users absorb *some* of that Ki, like Goku's Base Form did after using the actual form then Vegeta gaining access to via only sparing without the Ritual, but because they are only part Saiyan and can only absorb some of the God Ki it gives them a sudo God Form that is kind layered over their base SSJ from that point on (hence why it has the appearance of a SSJ2 wrapped in an inner aura reminiscent of SSJB). As well it just fits the naming scheme so well as a Demigod would be a Hybrid God, sounds much better and more thought out (yet only took 2 minutes from looking at) than a random power up that came out of no where with a redundant name (which we didn't even get a name for till it was in a card game or app) huh?
Also also, there is Technically Sort Of Somwhat a form that was missed in this video, the 4D Theater Attraction Ride's exclusive "God Broly" Form which is never explained or seen again being a Form unique to Broly/LSSJ which looks like a SSJ3 with Eyebrows and the SSJ Grade 2 Muscles if I remember correctly. We have no idea if it is in any way even remotely connected to SSJB/God Ki, but I just wanted an excuse to reference that weird thing they did years ago...
5:51 goku uses the kioken against jiren in the manga in ssb
V jump guides confirm this by calling it "super Saiyan blue kioken" even though it's stated to be "using the principles of the kioken"
W video
You actually did forget there are 2 more Blue forms
Super Saiyan Blue Barriere, Vegito used it against Fuu to avoid being hit by Cumber's Aura that Fuu blasted at him, it's basically Vegito's Saiyan Shield technique (he used it to prevent buu from absorbing him) combined with Blue, power wise it's just Blue with a better defense
Then there is SSBlue Berserk, the uncontrolled version
Also I'll point this out
The sound of the aura of super Saiyan blue
Is different in the movie and the anime
THATS NOTABLE
Why is it always the smallest TH-camrs with the best content?
Idk who needs to hear this, but the reality of dragonball is that New Hair Color = Stronger. That's it. You guys put way more effort into building this universe than Toriyama ever did.
dragon ball has always had more headcanon than official canon. thats the fun of it, in my opinion.
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Thank you so much!
Rosé is literally Black's version of blue, stop it
He said that lol
That’s only true in the manga, in the anime it’s just Black’s regular SSJ form cuz he has god ki by default, so SSJ Rosé gives him a 50x multiplier and not whatever SSJ Blue would give to Goku and Vegeta
Rose is neither Blue nor SSJ. It's Black mixing his own divine Ki with Super Saiyan to create his own god form. This makes sense too because Zamasu is a Kai and thus already has God Ki, it's even shown in the manga that Black can use regular SSJ. Rose is similar to SSB in power which is why it's always being compared to Blue.
Hold the phone that is currently ringing at this point in time… this guy likes COD zombies too 👀?
Yes I do, it’s one of my favorite games
Surprised you didn’t mention Goku Black’s ability to conjure ki weapons in rosé. Closest thing a Z fighter has done like that is trunks enhancing his sword. Although it could be attributed to that not being Goku n Vegeta’s style of fighting, it’s worth noting
I was actually considering it but I think I may go in depth into that if I make a video focusing on Goku Black as I think there's a lot to be said about the character and his abilities
Didn't Vegito make a KI sword in the Buu Saga?
@@furiousgamerxz5141 Oh yeah his paralysis beam thing. I guess that counts but Goku black has a fun on scythe and hand sabre.
@@furiousgamerxz5141 oh yeah vegeta uses the spirit sword himself in the t.o.p. to avoid falling off or something
The Gogeta form is Blue Evolution, there was an official artwork based off of that very episode where it actually shows Gogeta with the Dark Blue Hair, aura, and bigger muscularity