Whoops.. I got so focused on the elemental powers I forgot to mention that the Evil Enchantress also has the power of TELEKINESIS!! Also, huge thank you to og_magisses on Instagram for letting me use their Evil Enchantress piece in the thumbnail! Check out their profile here! instagram.com/oi_magisses?igsh=ZjdncWh5ZTQyYzhp
@@weirdlybeloved You're definitely correct. It was a "blink and you'll miss it moment" when the Enchantress waved her hand and opened the cell doors to get hair from the princess and then again when after she left the cell.
@@weirdlybelovedyes she had multiple powers just like Melinda Warren but her full story wasn't explained the evil enchantress and I remember in the manner the electric thingy that The Charmed ones were trying to catch could this be connected to the evil enchantress 0:11
Speaking of Grams, past Piper was her Mom. Fascinating as the show revealed that current Piper was most like Grams due to their shared love for being in the kitchen. Yours truly really appreciates when your videos appear on my feed as the innocence in your voice as you relate the HERSTORY is pleasing to the ear.
Thank you! And right? I wonder if that's part of the reason that Grams seemed to take a special liking to Piper, because she reminded Grams of her mom? 🤔
@@weirdlybelovedmy pleasure! And thank you for making the time to respond and share your take on a beloved show! It is a wonder how invested Constance M Burgess was in the characters that she created.
@@hiramjohnson9681 Of course! Even though it takes me awhile sometimes - there's just so many these days, but I'm really grateful for it, too! - I do read them all, and respond as much as I can! 🥰 And I agree! Constance did a beautiful job with the world she created, and I really wish she had been the one to stick with the show throughout its run and not Brad Kern!
I personally love this episode because it comes full circle with the episode where Paige finds out that Glenn is getting married and tries to sabotage his wedding, but ends up learning from her past mistakes ceases her actions. I think those two episodes were very well written for pages character arc.
Me too! I didn't used to like this episode (most of it is so dark, it's hard for me to see) but the more I rewatch it, the more I like it, and like you said, it brings things full circle! I hope one day we get a prequel that shows more of the Charmed lineage! 🥰
I agree with your theory; it makes a lot more sense. For example, it doesn't make sense that two mortals can have a child who is a witch unless the latent magic existed down the line. I haven't read the Charmed comic, but I remember reading a summary online that Leo had a third child (apparently the Elders wanted to create a third Charmed line or something), and the child developed Whitelighter powers. When Leo asked the Elders about this, they told him that although he gave up his powers in Charmed season 8, they were still latent in his DNA. @7:45 I am with you on this. I hate when a character who knows something and is going to explain it gets cut off by another character. Also, can someone explain why the evil past lives of the sisters don't go to hell? I mean, mortals go to hell when they die and witches I presume although it is never explicitly stated, but somehow the evil Charmed ones get reborn. The Enchantress is a little bit different; because although it was never stated, after the Charmed Ones stripped her power, she might have become good eventually, like Xena which led to our Paige. But evil Phoebe never got the chance, so why didn't she go to hell since she died evil? If she did future Phoebe would be here, and why are some witches reborn, and some not e.g Grams, Charmed's one mum, did they chose not to.
I kind of always assumed that the Evil Enchantress was a distant relative of theirs, because they did the past life thing with the other 3 two seasons earlier, plus had Rose McGowan play her. And since the sisters got their powers from Melinda, a distant future relative of the Evil Enchantress, it would make sense that the powers would be different. This might also explain why Charlotte, Melinda's mom, didn't have powers. Maybe it just took from medieval times to colonial times for the binding potion to wear off.
@cupidok2768 I think the potion Anton gave her was just to strengthen what she already had. Prue's past life had that ice power and I'm not sure what past Piper's was. Either she could freeze time too and Anton was just fighting through it or she could just slow things down a bit.
The sisters and Leo assume Phoebe's throwing flames power when she's pregnant is her using demonic/the baby's demon power during "her wedding to Cole" arch. It could be that embracing the evil influence from the baby helped to awaken her fire element power again, just like how she had her fire power in the past life.
Right?! And then Piper could access an ice power when she was evil in Bride and Gloom.. maybe the elemental magic is only available when you're influenced by evil?! 😱🤯
@@876MANILEI We've been theorizing that perhaps P Bowen's determination to kill her cousin (instead of stripping her powers, killing Anton instead, or finding some other alternative) might have had something to do with it. As Phoebe states in Morality Bites, the wrong thing done for the right reason is still the wrong thing. Maybe P Baxter was spared punishment since she asked God for forgiveness in the episode?
Great video as usual. Just to add something, about Isabel, the first witch. She was born at the first days of humanity and lived for many centuries after getting her magic from the place where all magic comes from, becoming immortal. When Melinda found her, she was already very, very old. I don't really like the comics haha but at least they didn't retcon the Enchantress. Anyway, see ya on the next one.
Leo also mentioned that when a witch abuses a gift, it gets taken away. Maybe because of the powers being reawakened, the cousins were able to finally access the elemental powers again. And for all we know, other ancestors could have had the same abilities right before them since they don't dive as deep into that as far as I know. But because P. Russell abused the fire ability through evil it was taken away from their line again. As for the ice power P. Bowen had, maybe she ended up abusing it as well and that's why it was taken away? Could be when she and P. Baxter were cursing P. Russell, who for all we know could have had another power? Maybe it was the blow up power Piper ended up getting later on because perhaps she earned it? I don't know, just my theory, XD.
You make a lot of great points! And I definitely think it's likely P. Bowen ended up abusing her power at some point.. I just rewatched the episode recently, and the look on her face when she's looking at P Russell is just.. pure hatred. At least P. Baxter seemed to realize what they're doing was deplorable, as she asks God for forgiveness, but P. Bowen was just.. so cold. Literally.🥶
Just something I wanted to mention. In “Pardon My Past”, there is a scene where the little girl Christina Larson is playing with P. Russell’s crystal ball. The woman whose fortune she is pretending to read, looks a little like Paige to me. It was unintentional as it was two seasons prior to Rose McGowan’s first appearance, but for a long time now I thought it could’ve been a fun little easter egg. And it would definitely lend more validity to the fact that souls tend to run in the same circles lifetime to lifetime.
Ooh, that's a really interesting catch! And definitely possible since the show established that souls tend to travel in the same circles, so Paige must have been around there somewhere!
I think that had Prue not died, Paige would have still been revealed in season 4, and the only way to destroy The Source of all Evil would have been by the Powers of the Four Elements, making it the strongest quadrant ever.
And Rose Mcgowan might have been happier (mentally) playing a character who drops by for a chunk of the season, instead of a full regular!@weirdlybeloved
In case someone didn’t mention it already, I think the charmed ones going back and helping Melinda be delivered might have broken the spell too. Especially because they were the ones that casted it in the first place
I think the evil Enchantress is the reason why Charlotte(mother of Melinda) had no powers. After binding the evil Enchantress powers it's likely her generations powers became dormant until Melinda. The evil Enchantress had Telekinesis and the power to conjure the element. She abuse her powers so when she became Paige she only got the Orbing version of Telekinesis.
That's a really interesting theory! But it definitely would make sense that Paige too was a part of the past family tree like that as well. Especially seeing as, like Leo said, the family members always tend to come back in the same family. Personally, I always took it as Priscilla Baxter (Piper's past life) being the only one from the Warren line, with the other two cousins also being witches, but just not through the Warren line. One thing that I also always questioned: why did Melinda Warren have all three of those Warren powers, but every other one since then only had one of the three?
Thank you! And that's a fair point, especially since all the cousins had different last names, too! And yeah, I wondered that too! Maybe it's because Melinda was the 'originator' of the line?🤔
I believe they are still Melinda warrens descendants as for the powers they may have fluctuated in power intensity over time. For example pyrokinesis could be pipers power of combustion mixed with the telekinesis just weaker so while she can’t make things explode she can ignite fire. It would also lend more to the theory every now and then the enchantress’s powers were mixed into what are the Warren powers.
Lol ok I’m obsessing a little but I was rewatching “Pardon My Past” and in the scene where they show their family tree, there’s some easter eggs and continuity errors. It’s kind of hard to make out but according to the tree, Warren is their ancestor Melinda’s married name which is not true according to the episode “All Halliwell’s Eve”. Also, Melinda had two children. She only mentions a daughter named Prudence in the episode “The Witch is Back”. Past Dan’s first name Gordon, becomes his character’s last name in the present. And one of their ancestors was named Curtis Williamson, the same name of the doctor who treated Piper in “Awakened” and appeared again with their powers in “Astral Monkey”. Their grandmother Penny’s death date also does not match up with the episode “Pre-Witched”. Never noticed these before. Clearly the crew didn’t put much thought into these details lol.
Right? That family tree is such a joke, especially since they went out of their way to contradict it later down the line. Like with Gram's first husband, Allen ~ on the family tree he's named Jack Halliwell and it says he died in 1964. Yet in Witchstock his name is now Allen and he died in 1967 instead. You just want to yell at the writers like, "People!! Fact check your own script before you start filming!"
When it comes to the fire and ice powers, I thought they may have come from one of the other cousin's parents, rather from the Warren parent. Wyatt, Chris and Paige have both orbing and witch powers because their parents had those powers. Paige is even proposed to by another witch/whitelighter, Simon Marks, in the eighth season, wanting to join their magical lines together. Magic can come from one side or both sides, or seemingly from no one, in the case of Melinda.
But that wouldn’t add up the cousins parents are related to p baxters parents who most likely had a Warren power so why would her sisters or brothers have elemental powers ?
The cousins parents are related on one side. That side being the Warren side, Assuming those Warren witches married other Male witches, it is possible that cousins inherited their Paternal sides powers. I would like to add that I dont believe the warren line were limited to those three powers. The prophecy states that the three sisters that inherited those three powers would be the Charmed ones. Considering the sisters themselves develop new powers naturally, it is safe to assume that other witches in their line had different power sets as well. An example of this would be Wyatt with his orb shield and magical projection.
@@DillonHall-jz6bjit is somewhat explained that the elemental powers possibly came from the Enchantress, the ancestor to Melinda Warren. The Baxter cousins were possibly to be the original Charmed Ones but, the demon Anton inadvertently helped postpone their coming until 1998. Remember how Paige was able to tap into her powers?
It does explain why those powers aren't seen again. Phoebe lost the fire power as part of karmic retribution aka she used her great power for evil so had to start fresh power wise this life time, learn from her past lives mistake and eventually gain more powerful powers after saving innocents and evening her karmic debt. As far as the ice powers that's pretty straight forward as far as I'm concerned it's just a different iteration of the freezing power if not more of a literal representation but it makes sense that different witches would inherit different aspects of each power and like I mentioned earlier the gaining or lack of powers is explained multiple times as something that happens either for using your powers for good and gaining more as a reward or choosing evil and paying for those mistakes in the next life by not having access to the same power that corrupted them in a past life.
Phoebe has been known to access her fire power when she turns evil (such as when Russell takes over her body in the present and when Phoebe becomes queen is the underworld). And then Piper is able to access a literal freezing power when she turns evil in Bride and Gloom, so it's really suggestive that these elemental powers might still be in there somewhere, but only be accessible when influenced by evil.. like the Enchantress.
But I'm sure Melinda Warren had multiple magical elemental powers but they did not give time to explain their families lineage so I'm sure if they're going to come up with a prequel one day they will explain everything about their families lineage 0:04
OK, this is the thing that I am having a dichotomy with- they say that Phoebe and her past life Pearl, lost her Pyrokinesis ability for misusing it. But I believe in the episode, it says that she only had deviation to begin with like Phoebe, but was given Pyrokinesis by Anton. Which is seen again when she marries Cole, which is possibly hinting that Anton might’ve been the source of all evil at that time. If we look at the scenario with logic, technically everyone’s power grew, and no one was punished. It appears that Pearl could only do deviation in the form of tarot reading in Phoebe’s powers has grown to not only premonitions, but Astral premonitions. Phoebe B.’s molecular manipulation specifically cryokinesis, which is a water power had grown to Prue’s telekinesis. Pricilla’s powers grew to more advanced molecular manipulation scene with Piper. Priscilla had molecular manipulation: molecular deceleration. Piper had molecular manipulation: molecular immobilization. Therefore, is it possible that the evil enchantress might’ve had all three Warren abilities, but her molecular manipulation surpasses that of all within her line because she was able to manipulate not only molecules, but the molecules of all elements as opposed to manipulating the molecules of beings and objects?
I think Russell already had the fire power, because didn't Anton say the potion he gave her only multiplied it? And I really don't think he was the Source, because the current one (the one the girls had defeated) had been the Source for centuries, so long before Anton met Russell. And as for the molecule stuff ~ Idk who came up with that, but I wish they didn't try to force a scientific explanation on a show about magic, you know?
@@weirdlybeloved I just think it makes more sense, especially when they turned evil and Piper was literally freezing Leo with ice, which looks like what crew was doing with her power in her past life. I don’t think it’s necessarily evil power. It just shows that someone is cold and kind of like Elsa from frozen. so her wasn’t necessarily the manipulation of time was manipulation of molecules, which is why she can slow them down or speed them up to the point that they explode and in that instance, she slowed them down and turn them into ice. So none of them actually have time manipulation powers, but they would have to collectively use their powers together to time travel
@@DillonHall-jz6bjyou must not like the guy to be so rude he is giving examples and theories that you are just paraphrasing and trying to make him look crazy I don’t think you are reading what he is saying you don’t have to be such a jerk to the guy he was just expressing himself
@@JBee369 you're a nobody off the internet and clearly you're his friend because every comment of his you're defending even if it's ignorant im not trying to make him look crazy he did himself why do you think the owner of the video isn't responding to his foolish comments
Great video and love the theory. I just want to add that in the episode Witchstock, Allen(the first husband of Penny) says to Paige that she reminds him of his aunt or cousin or I’m not sure what it was, but I remember that they hinted that she’s connected with the family tree even back then. I hate to explain myself in English I hope that comment makes sense 😅
Thanks for acknowledging that Cole's goal in all Hallows eve wasn't to destroy the Warren line, but to turn them evil instead. Even Cole himself, when he confessed in Sleuthing with the Enemy, got this wrong. (I blame the writers).
@@PittsburghSportsFan43 Maybe, but to counter point, if Cole truly wanted to wipe out the whole Warren line, all he had to was kill Charlotte, which he EASILY could have done. He had time alone with her. I doubt Ruth could have done anything about it, if he had.
@elizabeths.3634 Maybe, maybe not. Plenty of women have died during labor, or had labor induced because they were dying, and had their kids survive. Murdering Melinda would have been the only way to guarantee the family line ended.
@elizabeths.3634 Maybe, maybe not. Plenty of women have died during labor, or had labor induced because they were dying, and had their kids survive. Murdering Melinda would have been the only way to guarantee the family line ended.
I think they’re referring to her being the original witch of the Salem witch trials. Because witchcraft in the Western world does not predate witchcraft in Africa because Tituba was actually a slave who taught Caucasian women witchcraft. so wicca and witchcraft or sorcery of any kind is something that is technically pretty new to the western society because in the African spirituality about how Gods are angels and demons are not necessarily good or bad. They just have an inclination towards positive and negative energy which is similar in humans. It also makes sense that it would come late to the western world because it talks about how melanin is what makes you closest to the divinity of the Earth, which is why they say that people with melanin have a Ba & Ka but Europeans and some Asians and Latines only have a Ka (mind) but no Ba (spirit).
I often think it would have been awesome to do have an elemental sisters if Prue would have still been alive. I imagine Prue 💨 being air and her powers manifesting like strong powerful gusts of wind. Similar to her actual tk powers operate only elemental. Air is leader energy so it makes sense to me for her. Piper 🍁 obviously being earth and her powers manifesting like her goddess powers in season 5. Earth mother is Piper in her best form. Phoebe 🔥 being fire and her powers in her past life and evil Phoebe era. Fire represents Phoebe in so many ways passionate, impulsive and romantic yet volatile in it's worst form. Paige 💧 is by far the most empathic sister even moreso than Phoebe so water makes the most sense for her and her orbs even look slightly like cascading water.
I wonder if the Evil Enchatress's ability to travel through time is connected to Piper's power to stop time? So in a way she sort of uses the powers of all three charmed ones, she knew when to go, sort of like a premonition, she travels through time, and she used telekinesis. It's a stretch but i could see it. Piper's powers later were described as influencing molecules so maybe not
Omigosh, that's a great point!! And I think the Enchantress having a version of all three power would help explain why Melinda also had three powers instead of just one like the rest of her line! 😮
Hmm, I always thought / or explained it to myself that the cousins has elementry powers as a kind of improvement to their original powers. Like Prue got astral projection later on, Phoebe became an Emphat and Piper could explode things
This would also make sense given that Phoebe was supposed to get the power of Electricity/Lightning, according to Mortality Bites, which is an elemental power and (somehow) meant to represent the growth of her powers.
I actually used to think that the enchantress was an ancestor namely because the past episodes involving past lives did have said witches being their ancestors and because I entered the Charmed fandom later so the Melinda Warren info never stuck. However I would like to point out that if I remember correctly it wasn’t unusual for other witches to have active powers that weren’t connected to the family line and that Melinda having three active powers that were passed down was actually considered unusual… but again I don’t fully remember and could be wrong. I also remember that members of the Warren line did have watered down variations of the original powers. However this is mainly from said past life episode and checking the wikia about the comics where they revealed the sisters children’s powers. I bring this up because Piper’s powers were focused on slowing and speeding molecules and, my very little and probably wrong knowledge of science, thinking that fire and ice come from that power. However the elemental magic always felt cooler so it seemed weird
You make a fair point about how it seems most witch families don't seem to have powers that are passed down through the family line the same way the Warrens are! I personally don't really go for the molecule stuff, though.
I think it’s possible that in pardon my past the writers wanted to give the cousins elemental powers and chose to give ice and fire to the cousins but the charmed power to grams mom. For season 4 the writers may have decided to do a retcon or tie up loose ends by putting the evil enchantress as a distant ancestor of Melinda.
Thank you! I'm really glad you like it! ☺️ The Warren's trailer is actually a fanmade trailer, so unfortunately no Charmed prequel is currently in production, but I'm hoping networks notice the positive reaction to the fanmade version and decide to make it for real!
Hey, @weirdlybeloved I wanted to ask what you love about Charmed! This is the one show I remember having watched since I could talk and walk (born 2000). However, the drama behind the scenes makes me really perceive there to be an extremely high tension on set all the freaking time, hence my enjoyment watching slightly decreases. Also, the continuity errors really bug me. Charmed leans more on World Building, whereas Buffy prefers using it‘s world as a huge honking metaphor. I like Charmed‘s style slightly better, because it makes me actually zap into it‘s world, yet they couldn’t pay someone like a thousand bucks a month to look for plot holes and fill them. The more time passes, I kind of loose faith in this project, or at least mourn it‘s amazing potential, yet I am grateful for it nonetheless, cause it made my childhood, when I still believed that Cole actually willingly chose to become evil, way cooler! It‘d be cool to dive a little into your perspective on your take on this 🐣
Hi! Omigosh, I love SO much about Charmed.. the humor, the style, the sisterly bond, the early villains and plotlines.. plus the nostalgia factor! My sister and I didn't have the best home life growing up, and watching Charmed was one of our escapes, so it's great that we can still find ways to reconnect with that as adults! 🥰 What are your favorite things about the show? ^^ And omigosh, Buffy was another one of our favorites!! Not season four, though.. season 4 was sooo boring to us, lol..
I remember seeing a post that said elemental magic specially fire power can be tapped into when a warren witch is evil. For example Phoebe in Season 4 when she is queen of the underworld or Piper in I believe season 3 turning Leo into Ice and shattering him. Which makes this theory make even more sense to me.
@@DillonHall-jz6bj Idk about evil, but there was definitely a malice in her that wasn't present in P. Baxter. If you watch the scene where Phoebe runs away in Russell's body, the look on Bowen's face is pure hatred, whereas P. Baxter understands it needs to be done but still asks God for forgiveness.
I don't think the Warren Line was limited to those three powers. The Charmed prophecy states that the set of sisters that inherited said powers would be the Chosen or 'Charmed ones'. So it is possible that random powers/abilities develop naturally throughout the years. The sisters themselves are perfect examples of this. -Prue develops astral projection(which should of went to phoebe considering psychics are notorious for using astral projection in supernatural lore) - Piper develops the blasting power ( In the comics Pipers powers continue to grow, she can speed up molecules to the point of bring water to boil, igniting small flames and melting down solids.) - Phoebe develops levitation and Empathy and later on as seen in the episode when they go to the future, she gets Psychic reflection, which is expanded on in the comics as well. -Paige develops an orb shield in the comics like the one Wyatt uses. Which brings us to the ultimate example... Wyatt Matthew Halliwell who has the power of Projection( I understand that he is twice blessed but still 😂😂😂.) So maybe the past life cousins having elemental powers is valid. This is Charmed after all and if there is one thing this family is going to do is BREAK THE RULES.
I'm working on a video that kind of covers this exact subject, so I won't say too much now, but it's established in the pilot that Melinda Warren had three powers; to see the future, stop time, and move things with her mind. Those powers were passed down through her line, growing stronger and stronger, culminating in the arrival of the Charmed Ones, the most powerful witches ever known, so it's natural that they would be able to utilize their powers in ways previous Warrens could not. And for the record, the powers that weren't directly connected to their Warren powers didn't start showing up until season three, when Constance M Burge (the series creator) lost creative control to Brad Kern. So I'm sure that had a fair bit to do with their powers seeming to grow at random in that season.
@@leandrojimenez10 Actually, no. I said I was talking about powers that weren't directly connected to their Warren powers in regards to S3. When Prue astral projects for the first time in S2 they say: Piper: Do you think this is part of your powers growing? Prue: Maybe. I mean, if I can move things with my mind, why not my body?
While I think your theory is a pretty good one, I also have my own for P. Russel and P. Bowen had elemental-based powers. One explanation that I thought of, of why Prue and Phoebe's past lives had elemental powers instead of the usual Warren line powers was that there was no rule of a Warren witch having to marry a mortal, and some may have married a fellow witch instead. Maybe P. Russel and P. Bowen's father's were witches and had elemental powers, which is why their daughters followed in their footsteps in that department and not in the Warren powers. And P. Baxter, Piper's past life, married a mortal (Past Dan) and had a Warren power, unlike her cousins. Of course, this is just an idea, but what do YOU think of it?
It's always possible! Though I personally think the magic was most likely passed through the maternal side of the family, just because Charmed puts so much emphasis on the Charmed line being female-led!
So as an avid fan of fantasy and mysticism, as well as magick and lore. I’d like to point out that the powers of ice and fire could fall under the three aspects of the charmed line power. By understanding physics and energy and how that acts on matter and energy? Suppose you have the ability to move matter at a atomic level? Al heat is is the thermal energy given off from friction of particles moving and vibrating. Fire is a very distinct earthly phenomena. But at its core it’s a physical effect of motion sparking a source of fuel. You need the energy or motion, the catalyst of the spark, and the fuel or object that burns. Assuming that anyone ever could just bypass those rules to channel magical fire with our a fuel source it would then be possible to make a blast or wave of heat with telekinetic powers, then once something is on fire you could further manipulate it with telekinetic. For the ice and freezing time we need to go deeper to identify what’s exactly happening. It’s not actually Stoping time, it’s explained in charmed that that power is actual the ability to stop or pause or slow down the movement of atoms, or speed them up hence the combustion power Piper showed. So you could both cause a cooling effect by or a thermal effect by stoping or speeding up the motion of atoms. Honestly with the combined ability to stop or speed up but also move the course of molecules and atoms you could literally make black holes and novas or nuclear explosions! Ice is specific as well as fire in that they are the effects of temperature on liquids or solids. Honestly All supposed elemental powers in fantasy are not accurate to physics. Because you can’t actually channel fire with no fuel or air or heat? Same with ice with no water or fluid. The only way would be if those natural effects where living energy’s and in constant existence and you could somehow fuel those reactions and the matter needed from your own body or magic. It would be exhausting. It’s also why electrical powers are so realistic because our never a already conduct small amounts of it, and it’s the effect of the interaction of charged ions and their speed and direction that make electric arcs. You need no fuel only air power and a target. Sry if this is a bit rambling but I love these type of ideas and debates on lore and magic. I was raised Wiccan and while I no longer follow that path it left it’s mark on me. To be plan the point of the video could be very true in the concept of their charmed ones lineages. But it could also be that the ones throwing ice and fire where manipulating the water and air to either have a thermal charge or lack there of. It would basically be a combination of telekinetic and molecular and atomic manipulation with a touch of manifestation. Honestly it’s difficult to make fully realistic and physics complying magical systems. Those that do it are usually the best ones. It’s much easier to leave it ambiguous or to attribute a kinda divine life force behind magic and matter and energy that would be both the fuel for any energy based projection, as well as the person being the catylst for said power. That it’s through them that this magic can be made manifest and to transform matter and energy around them. Much easier then those that make it seem like the person is the source of the power versus just the on controlling it. Basically you couldn’t ever make a ball of fire and throw it, but you could make something flammable burn and catch fire and then manipulate its motion.
Oh wow, that's a reeeeeeally long paragraph.. it's a little hard to follow, but I do see your point. I just personally prefer to separate science from a show about magic. :)
Maybe because Cole tampered with their history and had Prue, Piper, and Phoebe go back in time creating a grandfather paradox real awakened Melinda Warren powers? I like that theory but I also believe that the evil enchantress had all three war powers, but was just so adept in molecular manipulation to the point that she could manipulate the elements’ molecules. Remember there are water molecules which would fall under ice as we know because of water bending then you would have earth and metal molecules, air, molecules, and fire molecules, which can be replicated as lightning.
This would explain why the charmed ones are evil in the evil world. The plan to create a kingdom of darkness actually happened in that world by none other than the evil enchantress. But Leo already knew the existence of the evil world if he actually studied under gideon and magic school before becoming their Whitelighter and defeating rennek. Which got him promoted to becoming their whitelighter. Thats also why he knew the world would be rewritten if she conceived an heir while still evil.
Omigosh, I didn't even think about the mirror world, that's such a great point!! And that would explain why Paige's version of the fairytale actually ends with the Enchantress actually accomplishing her goal! 😱🤯
I just noticed some patterns. In Morality Bites, the were being taught a lesson(the right reason doesn't make a wrong thing right). Gideon later learned the same lesson. Um, maybe P. Bowen lost her cryokinesis because she did a wrong thing for the right reason. I don't mean killing Russel, I mean cursing all her future lives. She literally gave a death sentence to potentially good people. And not to mention I don't even think the reason made sense. Anton wasn't hard to kill. It wasn't the power of 3, a special spell, a special artifact that killed him, it was Russel's own pyrokinesis, deflected by Prue. So if they wanted to prevent Russel's future lives aligning with Anton I don't see why Bowen's cryokinesis couldn't have solved that. Her cryokinesis was shown to be at the same level as Russel's pyrokinesis. Baxter could have frozen him(in terms of time freezing) even if only to slow him down and bowen could have then ... um frozen him again(in ice ofc, lol). And then they could have shattered him like the charmed ones did with Zile. As for why Baxter kept her power, maybe she had another one that was taken from her. It was probably also an elemental power. Notice how Russel, Bowen and the Enchantress lost their elemental powers but at least for the Enchantress and Russel we know their other powers, in fact they got stronger versions of them. So this kind of implies that Bowen could have had some weaker form of telekinesis and that if Baxter had an elemental power that's the one she would lose. Maybe elemental powers make the user more um morally compromising or rather a person needs to be relatively morally compromising to have them which is why Phoebe got pyrokinesis when she became the queen of evil, Piper got cryokinesis when she was turned into a warlock, Prue's advanced telekinesis in the future caused an explosion and fire in the attic at a moment where she was more morally compromising and Combustion only after she broke the rules and got married to Leo. And I know I am gonna get hate for saying this but this rule isn't actually bad. A psychologist and a lawyer shouldn't date their client for the same reason, conflicting interest. And while Piper and Leo passed their probation, there was no guarantee they wouldn't change in the future. The rule is simply there out of ethical reasons. If you go through charmed you'll see that most witches that had elemental powers were villains - Christy, the sea hag, Vicus' witches(they had energy balls and could conjure balls that cause combustion upon contact), Tuatha(combustion but only when she had her wand), Phoenix witches(they had energy balls and whether they were villains or not, well they're assassins)
Right? There were definitely other alternatives than cursing all of P Russell's future lives and sentencing them all to death, especially since it didn't even solve the problem! Anton lived on and was waiting around for Russell to be reborn, so they were clearly going to reunite at some point.. it just seems like vanquishing Anton would have been the better (and much less harsh) option. And yeah, I never really liked Piper and Leo's relationship, it seemed a bit inappropriate.. especially when you consider the fact that Leo's been watching over the sisters since they were children. 🤢
@@weirdlybeloved Yeah, also the enchantress had powers over air and electricity, Bowen over ice, Russel over fire which leaves out the element of earth(potentially for Baxter). That would tie in as a nice pattern with Piper becoming the goddess of earth. An alternative and potentially very interesting way the writers could have explained Baxter getting to keep her power is to have had her appear in Witchstock (she should have been alive at that time) and meet Phoebe and address cursing Russel. That would make Leo's timeline ever weirder(I am not even gonna call it gross at this point because for something to be gross, it has to make sense first, lol and Leo's timeline was clearly not thought through at all). Imagine P Baxter seeing her former lover act as Leo did in Witchstock.
@@brunoserafimovski1903 Omigosh, I never even thought about how they collectively cover all of the elements! Would you mind if I mention that in a future video? I'm happy to credit you! And yeah, Leo comes across as very creepy at times, and Witchstock was definitely one of the worst! Just, ugh.. even Penny seemed grossed out by him! 🤮
@@weirdlybeloved Hey, sorry(or you're welcome) for all the theories(I'm adhd, we have creating brains) but I have a theory on what Bowen's telekinetic power might have looked like. Notice the attack she did on Russel after Russel confronted her. Some people think she used levitation which i disagree, we've seen levitation too many times not to recognize it. But it is impressive so I understand why people would think it was magical in some way. I did some research on access to self-defense for women in the 20s and it was rare. Rare doesn't mean impossible but notice how Bowen reacted when Phoebe went inside Russel and performed martial arts. Why would she be so surprised that Russel could learn to do that if she took self-defense classes. So I went on superpower wiki and started looking at different powers that might be able to produce such an effect, specifically ones related to telekinesis and I came across tactile telekinesis. Tactile telekinesis is actually very different because you still need to touch the object. For example you can make a blender spin without turning it on but you still need to be in contact with it. While at first it may sound useless, it's actually not. That means you can literally touch someone and knock them away, you can shatter an object by touching it, in a very advanced form maybe collapse buildings(since the feet are in contact with the floor) and of course you can telekinetically enhance the movements of your own body because you're always in contact with your body. The final thing that convinced me was that I can see thing turning into cryokinesis. Notice first, how bowen activated her cryokinesis. She blew on her hand. Her breath made contact with her hand. Our breaths do contain water vapor and to turn water vapor into ice you can either lower the temperature or increase the pressure(high pressure makes things solidify). So the idea is, bowen blew on her hand and when her breath made contact with her skin she compressed it into ice.
Anton doesn't say "I like having that power", he says "I'm GONNA like having that power." He doesnt have the power but he does want it. I think P. Baxter does have the power to actually freeze time, not just slow it down, but Anton is too strong after taking the power enhancement potion so he is able to fight through it. I always just took it as P. Baxters ability wasn't as powerful as Pipers freeze to begin with. Thats also why Anton had to be holding Phoebe's hand so the necklace would protect them both against the sisters. I think Piper was a bigger threat to Anton and he knows how strong her power is and could be now, because he already had to go up against it.
Omigosh, you're right!! How did I miss that?! 😭 I do agree about P Baxter though! Maybe it's because Piper's a Charmed One, but I noticed that her power to freeze seemed to be stronger than even her mother, Patty's! In P3H20 Patty has to physically set down the cables to freeze Sam, whereas we've seen Piper not only freeze things with other objects in hand, but she can do it one handed, like in All Halliwell's Eve! Anton probably knew his tricks stood no chance against Piper. 😔
@@weirdlybeloved Hey loved the video btw, and yeah it's a really subtle line delivery on that one lol. My comment was already so long it's funny you talked about Patty, cause I was going to mention that Pipers power might be the strongest freeze ever, but is it because she is a charmed one? We don't know, and we only ever see Patty use that power other than Piper. We know Piper is stronger than her mom.... But there could have been another witch in their line that is stronger than Piper we just don't know about. Like we know Prue was never quite as powerful or skilled as grams, or at least she never got the chance to show it, though Prue was extremely powerful in her own right just saying. We also know of Brianna Warren who was possibly the most powerful telekinetic produced by the Warren line throwing a sword hundreds of miles away, something I don't think even grams could have done. So who knows with Pipers power, she is at least the most developed and powerful "freezer" we know of though.
@@mr.narrator6781 Thank you! And that's true.. I really wish we knew more about the Charmed line, so we knew more about how the powers developed and were passed down through the line!
I have a different theory which doesn’t go against the charmed one’s being descendants of the evil enchantress. Personally I think that might not have been a power from the Warren line of witches but maybe from another bloodline that crossed with theirs. That would explain why the only one the girls are directly descended from is also the only one of the cousins to have a Warren power. I think that they could have had a Warren witch get with a male witch of a potentially weaker bloodline that might have had a cryokinetic ability (or pyrokinetic) in the case of P. Russell. So they could have the strength of a Warren witch with the active power of a different witch family.
I mean Wyatt is also part of the Warren line and he has all sorts of powers ( not including whitelighter powers ) that aren’t those three Warren powers . The force field the conjuring and he also had fire abilities and pipers exploding powers prues astral powers and phoebes levitation are signs that other powers are possible plus in the comics one of Paige’s kids can start fires and in the future prues powers looked like they had a fire effect on them so idk maybe the evil enchantress is in their line but their could be variants or different powers in the line
That is so cool because that plays on how children tend to remember their past lives, kinda like the little boy who remembered being princess Diana in a past life for the little boy who remembers being Tommy, who was the captain of the titanic. They thought that it was made up, but it turns out they had a lot of information that was not available to the public or even the twins that were born after their twins had passed away they started having their memories, but I think a lot of that could be due to parents coaching their children.
@@weirdlybeloved no I’m saying like it’s a whole thing where there are reports that children remember past lives in. These are just a few that I named that are the most commonly known.
I think P Russell Phoebe's past life her powers were starting to grow but I think her were like boyfriend and son he gave her a potion so her powers could grow more quick I think P Bowen her powers was starting to grow so I think there was a chance for the Halliwell sisters to have access to these elemental magical powers I think it was limited at a time so I think in the comic book they started to have this kind of power but too bad they They Did show that in the series The Charmed ones would have been powerful if each of them had different kind of elemental Magic so they could have 0:04 deserved it if they did good and fight in the innocence but not all mortal were innocent anyway 0:02
Maybe the evil enchantress has a sister or a brother allowing the line to countine and that’s how p Bowen and p Russell got elemental powers and one of her siblings had a Warren power aka p Baxter having freeze
For clarification about the comics, Neena is the Original Witch. She's also immortal, so she was actually born near the dawn of humanity, but she never died and lived to meet Charlotte Warren and later, the Charmed Ones.
We know the book of shadows was created in like the 15th century the enchantress was way older then they she couldn’t have wrote a description of herself meaning someone must have heard of her or maybe she was reborn again before becoming Paige
Didn't Melinda say in the episode The Witch Is Back that she started the Book of Shadows and that it "all started with her?" Plus the front page of the Book of Shadows has the date 1693 written on it, so that would have been the 17th century ~
I never thought about this theory that much. I love it. It is very interesting and plausible. Sadly, I doubt the writers gave it that much thought. As for the genetic aspects of it, I actually made a video, granted for Harry Potter, not Charmed that explains how I think genetics works for magic (how you get a muggle born wizard or wizard born muggle). My same theory could be true in charmed as well. The video is still on my channel if you would be interested.
Ooh, that does sound really interesting, and I love the idea! I'm currently packing and trying to get ready to go out of town next week, but I'll add it to my watch later list and definitely check it out when I have time!
Charmed continued with a s9 and 10 in comics. They tell the origins of witches r all descendants to Neena. The 1st Witch who is immortal and 2.5 million years old. She found an ultra powerfull nexus called The All. The source of all magic, hence the name. And shared it with her mate, the 2nd witch. they're both r the Adam and Eve to all witches. Charlotte Warren, Melinda's mother met her, and awoken the unborn baby's witch heritage. P. Baxter actally slowed time, not stop. Anton and the other's all adjusted to fight through it all. I've always thought the EE was in Paige's father's bloodline.
@@weirdlybeloved Well, how about EE is in Paige's father's bloodline? Cause if so, then the elemental powers to the others r just random of fate or chance. Just like with Wyatt's Projection. What about that possibility?
@@sifilore I kind of think that the elemental powers are on the magical side of the family, but only accessible when evil. That would explain why Piper could use ice when evil in Bride and Gloom and Phoebe could use fire when evil as well.
If you follow the logic of your past life bring an amcestor withing Charmed, then thay may also mean that King Arthur is an ancestor. The enchantress could then be a child of Morgan Le Fey (depending on the interpretation you're using).
Yo the enchantress ep. Was sooo expensive for the charmed ones….their house and Paige’s apt and car were all so trashed. After every fight I was estimating all the repairs lmao they were so broke after this episode
Omigosh, right?! I can't even imagine how much money they spent over the years having to repair not only the manor, but a VICTORIAN manor, that would probably need specific materials and qualities to maintain, which are probably not cheap.. 😰
I think Warren Line was definitely the descendants from the evil enchantress because the future charmed one's did bind her power's for life until Melinda Warren is the first 4th generation to be born as a witch and the evil enchantress became mortal to passed down from her to Charlotte Warren as mortal
@@weirdlybeloved I can't believe you haven't seen it's the charmed fan made trailer it's so good you can tell a true fan made it you should check it out it's wonderful
They ran two "seasons" of the comic, officially seasons 9 & 10. One storyline I know about is Prue's spirit taking over the body of another witch and coming back (they weren't able to get Shannon's permission to use her likeness, just like when she left the show), only having to leave again because only the the three actual Charmed Ones can exist together in the same area at any one time, not a fourth one. I think Prue may have turned evil at one point?
I'd love to do a video on all of the family powers! Especially since we've been theorizing in the comments that maybe the elemental powers are only accessible to the Warren line when they've been affected by evil! And I'm actually already working on a video talking about some theories about Leo's powers! I probably wouldn't do a video on the comics, though.. I'm not really a fan of continuations. 😓
@@weirdlybeloved awesome and another theory what if magically Cole is Wyatt’s dad when piper ate the chocolate from the seer that had demon blood (the seers blood) in it so Wyatt would be part witch,white lighter, and demon
I think her voice changed because she was vulnerable now and she used a deep voice to sound intimidating maybe the cousins could access the elemental powers because they were cousins and not sisters
@@dvd573 Always possible! It was said in the show that Warren powers are passed down from mother to daughter, but Wyatt and Chris both broke those rules, so for all we know it could have happened before as well!
Paige she should have done a book about it a long time ago because she thought all this time it's something that she invented but it's true that the evil enchantress with her elemental Magic she had multiple powers and multiple elements and Melinda Warren she has to know so much about the family lineage that we never have a chance to discover it and like you said the Warren witches are descending from the evil enchantress and there's things that we don't know about the evil enchantress no one number one knows her name and her origin story the evil enchantress and she wants to summon the greatest evil of them all but who who was the outlaw that she 0:02 I think the Halliwell sisters they didn't have access To that kind OF magical powers is because wayback the evil enchantress she abused her power only for her own benefits so I think there was a problem with the timeline and to tell the story of their own family lineage but I would love to see a prequel one day if they think about doing a Charmed prequel 0:02
I believe that she had conquering the elements because she had the greatest form of molecular manipulation where she can manipulate all elements similar to the avatar: the last Airbender. But scene is that she had telekinesis as well. She could’ve most likely as well had deviation, but did not practice that as much as she did atomokinesis, which is the correct term for conjuring the elements. Also, how is everyone to know she has divinations if she doesn’t tell them about her premonitions. And contrary to popular belief just because you have premonitions does not mean you see everything so she does not have the ability to see that the prince will be taken. Just because you have premonitions does not mean that you can have premonitions to help yourself because generally people who are psychics or have premonitions. It can only help others and those around them and particularly not themselves.
But I don’t know how the line would continue she failed at having a child with the king and her powers were bound and most likely was killed or jailed how ever we know that that happened because they traveled to the past to stop her that means she succeeded in having a kid and the line continued until Melinda was born
She wasn't able to have a child with the prince and create a dark kingdom, but I feel like the prince would have let her go afterward (or at least a token imprisonment) since she didn't have her powers anymore and was no longer a threat. And it also seemed like she already lived in the castle and had at least some measure of status, so maybe her position also helped protect from experiencing punishment for her actions?
It's an interesting theory Telekinesis isn't a Warren Exclusive Power Many beings have telekinetic abilities and the strength can vary. I found it interesting that Paige was born with a inactive witch gene. Which doesn't activate until she takes prues place in the power of three. The charmed comics explain that neena was the first witch to ever exist! Been a tapped into the all. And that's why witches have different powers. But the Warren Witches for the most part have genetic powers, like Telekinesis or premonition. There were some Warren's who had invisibility and other niche powers. I wish piper would have naturally received the ability to turn her enemies into ice like she did in bride and gloom from season3 This would make sense to me
But that Neena/Isabel thing doesn't make sense, since - as I said in the video - witches such as the Enchantress clearly existed long before her, so it contradicts the show.
This is a cool theory and all, but the elemental powers actually do fit the Warren line, specifically one of the powers, molecular inhibition. During her time as a witch, Piper demonstrated both Ice and Fire powers. Let me explain. When Piper was a warlock, she could turn people into ice. That's actually a natural evolution of her powers, she normally just slows molecules down to a certain point, the crystelisation is what occurs when she slows molecules to a complete stop. It's called molecular inhibition. It's possible P.Bowens mother had this power, which evolved into cryokinesis in the next generation. The actual evolution of Pipers powers was molecular combustion. Towards the last few seasons she demonstrated the ability to make fire as well. The comics introduced a less powerful, but more controlled variant called molecular acceleration, allowing the user to melt or heat object, or create fire if the have combustible materials. I think this was P. Russels original power. Anton's potion allowed her to fire it from her hands. It makes sense since P. Baxter had molecular deseleration, which is a lesser version of Pipers power. In the comics, Paige's twin daughters have acceleration and deceleration, so the same thing could happen with cousins.
Yeah.. I'm sorry, but I think the fandom took one throwaway line from Leo about molecules and ran with it, because people are trying to apply it to every ability in the show now. I think it's fine if the majority of the fandom wants to stick to the powers as they were established in the first few seasons; the power to see the future, to move things with your mind, and to stop time.
@@weirdlybeloved I'm sorry, did you miss the part where I pointed out actual precedence in both the show and the comics for both abilities evolving from Pipers.
@@weirdlybeloved I did miss that, yes. Sorry about that. But even in the show Piper is the only sister who demonstarted elemental abilities not counting past lives or borrowed powers. So I still think my theory makes sense.
@@iainwhite8617 Phoebe could access the power of fire when she turned evil in season 4 as well. Leo tried to say it was an upper-level demonic ability, but since we already know Phoebe had an affinity with fire, I think it's just as possible that, like Piper, she can only access her latent elemental abilities when she is evil.
They don't have to be connected directly. For all we know she could feature in the Book of Shadows because another incarnation on Paige within the Warren bloodline already had issues with the Evil Enchantress the same way Page had issues with her in this particular episode. As for the elemental powers, it doesn't seem like those are super rare in this universe, and I doubt the Warren bloodline only ever married mortals over the centuries.
I'm not really sure how other Warrens could have had issues with her since it wasn't alluded to in the show, and the Evil Enchantress lived during the 12th century and the Warren line wasn't established until the 17th century, nor was the Book of Shadows.
If the evil enchantress storyline had already happened wouldn’t they be changing the future by binding her powers. I think there’s so many loop holes that happened that we aren’t supposed to question haha
I mean what you’re saying is plausible, but if she did not have a baby with the prince, but someone else because they left her alive, she could very well pass on her abilities to her offspring despite not having her powers herself. They didn’t remove them. They just bind them. There’s a difference. Stripping is when you remove someone’s binding when individual no longer has access to their powers. you raise a valid suggestion, but you have to look a little deeper
Very true! Though the series did something similar in All Halliwell's Eve where they had to go back and save their line from turning dark, so I feel like this episode could have been a similar situation.🙂
binding her powers wouldn't really change anything she could have a kid with another man and that kid would have powers because binding potions don't affect the child like the parent
@@DillonHall-jz6bj why are you literally saying what I just said just to make me look stupid like you’re really bothering me I have done nothing to you and you want to twist my words to make it sound like I said something I didn’t so that you can twist my words so you can correct me
I don’t think that when she said us, she was referring to Paige. I think that when she said us, she was referring toPaige, Phoebe, Piper, Prue, and everyone within their line that they could’ve possibly lost their powers and they lost their royalty because they thwarted her plan. Or she could’ve been referring to Paige saying that you got our powers taken away. In this action could cause Paige to eventually lose her powers.
Who is to say the Evil Enchantress is even related to the Halliwell line? What I mean is the Warrens married other witches who lineages more than likely go back further than the Warrens/Halliwell. The Evil Enchantress can be an ancestor of the sisters but don't have to be an ancestor of Melinda. Given Grams disgust at Patty marrying a mortal, I assume prior to Patty the ancestors for the most part married other witches. With that in mind the sisters witch lineage would consist of way more ancestors than just the Warren line.
@weirdlybeloved actually in the show Melinda was the first Warren witch who was born of two mortal humans. This is what made her special. Thus, per canon, the evil enchantress wouldn't have been an ancestor of Melindas. However, it could have been an elancestor of her descendants depending on marriage.
@@nicholaswhite9953 As I stated in the video, there's always the possibility that one of Melinda's parents (likely her mom) wasn't actually a mortal, but actually a descendant of the Evil Enchantress, who had her magic bound so even though her line carried her magic genes, they couldn't be accessed. After centuries of this they had likely come to believe they were simply mortals.. but then came Melinda, who broke the spell and was able to tap into the family magic. It's fine if you disagree, I'm just saying that there's a potential alternative.
I enjoyed the comics, Neena was the first witch from the beginning of time. Basically the Adam & Eve story with her & her love finding the "Nexus of the All" that gave them powers. Witches & warlocks come from them. She stopped Melinda's mother from having an abortion after Melinda's father disappeared & Neena gave her the information she needed to get to the witches that helped her give birth. Neena wanted Melinda to be born b/c she knew the Charmed Ones would be able to help her get back to her love who (I think) the angels of destiny separated her from b/c the Nexus of the All was dying or something & to save everything the two had to be separated so she was left on Earth & he was sent to the heavens or whatever. It doesn't really impact the show IMO & it reflects that witches & warlocks were there from the beginning of time, it was just about how much of the "All" they were able to access that determined their strength.
@weirdlybeloved I know, It was my long winded way of clarifying that the comic established that witches were a thing since the beginning of time and didn't retcon the cannon created by the show😂 At the end of the video it seems the Wiki you referred to didn't clarify that Neena as the first witch (& immortal) existed long before The Enchantress & Melinda.
Oh, for sure. It's just hard to tell when her past lives might have appeared in the timeline, and whether that would have been before or after Melinda was born?
All those people recognizing the enchantress as Paige, including herself, doesn't mean that they're not recognizing the soul. She could also be identical to her. If they established that you recognize the souls of people you know then it doesn't make sense for them to change it.
Haha yeah, it wouldn't make sense to change it once established, but unfortunately forgetting/changing their own lore is something Charmed is known to do a fair bit throughout the series.. 😥
Also by using words properly. Spirit not soul. Spirit is the electrical life-force that exists within blood cells. Souls are the fate of our spirit once we pass away. So I don’t like people thinking that spirits and souls are interchangeable when they are not. I mean, yes, there can be spirits within the body and out of the body, but the soul generally relates to the afterlife of your spirit and the choices you make that shapes that afterlife.
Umm.. okay? The only time I've heard of them differentiated between before is when they're used in religious context, so I personally think it's fine to use them interchangeably here, but to each their own. :)
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I can answer that theory as well what if one of the people within the line after Melinda Warren had a past life of the evil enchantress before Paige which makes sense because why does Prue, Piper, and Phoebe pass life seem more recent when they are older? Also, it could be a discrepancy because remember how the family tree shows that Phoebe B. Passed away a year after Prue was born. They are very terrible with the timeline. The creators are charmed, but I believe that they are all related, but I don’t believe that Melinda Warren made that entry and I believe that their magic is much older than Melinda Warren but they don’t know that Melinda’s mother did not have powers. Or did she? Remember, she was a part of coven and was abducted.🤔
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Although I have always felt like the evil enchantress was a distant relative of theirs, possibly older than Melinda Warren, most likely with her being in the middle ages and Melinda Warren being during the Salem witch trials, but, Pearl got her powers of fire from her boyfriend Anton. Her power was deviation, just like Phoebe. Cruise of Cryokinesis fault under molecular manipulation. I think that they make their powers based on their emotions because remember when Piper was cold towards Leo and bride and gloom and froze him. He literally froze as if she had cryokinesis. Phoebe was possessed by the Woogie and had a power upgrade. She had materialization which would fall under molecular manipulation. I used to think about why that never made sense but it’s based on their personalities kind of like Piper is warm and neurotic in the beginning, which is why she slows molecules down to the point that they’re in mobilized, which is stronger than Patty because she can keep someone frozen for longer as well as Priscilla who slows down molecules to the slow motion. But also to think about Phoebe’s a Warren power but then I thought about be careful what you witch for. Phoebe ended up getting to keep the dragons power consequence, similar to how demons want to kill them and absorb their powers. So because the Dragon Demon was killed, and Phoebe wished for flight, which was stolen from that demon she got to keep it consequence free, but it had to revert for her to grow into flight which became levitation. Remember, they are all just forms of molecular manipulation. I just think that those are just different expressions of molecular manipulation based upon their personalities. Trust me I’ve done deep dives into plot holes that makes no sense in for answers around a lot of them.
@@brunoserafimovski1903 You're right! Anton says it's "a potion to triple your power, in case your cousins are ready for us. It's the only way for us to succeed. You do want that, don't you?"
*Divination, not deviation, and Anton himself says that the potion he gave Russell tripled her power, not gave her the fire power to begin with. Also, you keep bringing up the molecular manipulation thing in various comments.. not all of us agree with that and it was not established in the show at all, so I think it's fine if we just stick with the ACTUAL Warren prophecy, that says the powers are to move objects with your mind, see the future, and stop time.
That’s a misconception the warm powers has nothing to do with the manipulation of time. Piper, Patty, and Priscilla all have the ability to manipulate molecules. Has the ability to slow them down to the point that they stop moving. Remember Nicolas said that he must’ve been frozen because he only heard three times out of 12? That means that she does not control time but the movement of molecules. With molecular combustion that means the molecules are moving so fast to the explode similar to Morality Bites Pru had advanced telekinesis to the point that she can move objects to the point that they speed up and combust. Personally, I think that that power was more potent than Pipers molecular combustion because Piper just explodes objects and entities while Prue exploded in entire attic.
Most of the fandom doesn't like time freezing being explained by stopping the movement of molecules because that doesn't make sense and it's a magic show so I can bend my believes but I shouldn't have to, no-one asked for an explanation of how time freezing works so if they're gonna come up with one, it should be a good one, not one that took 2 seconds to come up with
@@brunoserafimovski1903 Exactly. It was never established in the show and it's literally in the Warren prophecy that their powers include stopping time (Phoebe says in the pilot that the incantation spoke of "three essentials of magic; timing, feeling, and the phases of the moon" and Melinda could "move objects with her mind, see the future and stop time.") So this whole molecule manipulation thing feels like something people came up with to justify the exploding power the writers randomly gave Piper in season 3, and now try to force it onto the rest of the fandom,🙄
@@brunoserafimovski1903 but you didn’t listen to what I said because generally that’s how it works. She does not manipulate time because like I said with the necklace incident, as well as all the times that she froze one thing at a time like in the beginning, so there was no freezing of time necessarily just the immobilization of molecules.
@@JT-mb1te yeah, and the problem with that is that that would lead to creation of ice(frozen water molecules). Now like I said, I can bend my beliefs and ignore that but I shouldn't have to because no-one asked for that explanation nor does it add anything to the show other than the need to bend one's beliefs
You’re incorrect about Gramps she has two powers the power to move objects, and the power to freeze you remember that time that she unfroze Andy in season 1 that 70’s show??? And to remind everyone, she’s the only one who has two powers in the family line to possessed
I am cool with a reboot surrounding the three cousins but where is that reboot on Melinda Warren? Why can’t we have a spin off with pink playing Melinda Warren going against the supreme Scathathage play by P!nk? They were both going for the supreme role. But we can end the series with her being burned at the stake then we can pass the torch on to her daughter prudence. I heard she might’ve had two daughters family tree or prudence might’ve had two daughters based on the family tree. We also have the book whispers from the past that talks about prudence daughter, Cassandra, Warren-Wentworth. The Tron property has so much expansion in law that there is enough information to build legacies and more media. I even heard of a theory thrown out of why don’t we just do a couple of seasons like a miniseries of each that way we have more content we can cover on charmed without giving us BS like they did with the reboot. But I also love the idea of the reboot because my wouldn’t be cool if Serena Fox who died in the first episode was the last living of her set of charmed ones being a relative, sister, triple of Sabrina Spellman and Katrina? Remember her comics dropped in the 60s.
@@MartinWhatley-b6r Right?! I really wish the show would have explored Melinda's backstory more, because there's definitely a lot of unanswered questions!
from the thing where u said *he saw paige as the enchantress so they do look the same* what if he only sees paige as the enchantress BECAUSE of leos theory that you notice people you've seen in a past life but since he is in his current life and sees 2 people with the same soul then they would look the same to him because he's use to the original one aka the evil enchantress eh eh eh ;)
It's also possible that there was a reincarnation of the Evil Enchantress after Melinda, but before Paige who put it in the book. Regarding Bowen's and Russell's powers, P. Russell also had the power of divination, a sort of foresight ability. P. Bowen's ice breath could be another form of slowing molecules down like the power to freeze. Russell's pyrokinesis may have been her second power. Througout the show, we've seen that additional powers can be a bit random. One could ask what fire has to do with foresight exactly the same as what levitation has to do with it.
The charmed magic power are more then just time freeze and premonition 😂😂😂😂 the Warren witches are powerful because of all the other powers otherwise how do you explain Piper blowing up things😂😂😂
@weirdlybeloved the Halliwel sister aren't the first charmed ones nor the last. Their ancestor on the stake had all the powers we know nd were passed down. It just matter of time or Prue would've had ice , water basically both as ice solid water.
Whoops.. I got so focused on the elemental powers I forgot to mention that the Evil Enchantress also has the power of TELEKINESIS!!
Also, huge thank you to og_magisses on Instagram for letting me use their Evil Enchantress piece in the thumbnail! Check out their profile here! instagram.com/oi_magisses?igsh=ZjdncWh5ZTQyYzhp
Paige has it too. Hers just worked differently because she was half whitelighter.
Her powers were control over the elements
@@LightLife4 Yuss, but she also had telekinesis, which she used to do things like open and close the gate she kept the princess trapped behind.
@@weirdlybeloved You're definitely correct. It was a "blink and you'll miss it moment" when the Enchantress waved her hand and opened the cell doors to get hair from the princess and then again when after she left the cell.
@@weirdlybelovedyes she had multiple powers just like Melinda Warren but her full story wasn't explained the evil enchantress and I remember in the manner the electric thingy that The Charmed ones were trying to catch could this be connected to the evil enchantress 0:11
Speaking of Grams, past Piper was her Mom. Fascinating as the show revealed that current Piper was most like Grams due to their shared love for being in the kitchen.
Yours truly really appreciates when your videos appear on my feed as the innocence in your voice as you relate the HERSTORY is pleasing to the ear.
Thank you! And right? I wonder if that's part of the reason that Grams seemed to take a special liking to Piper, because she reminded Grams of her mom? 🤔
@@weirdlybelovedmy pleasure! And thank you for making the time to respond and share your take on a beloved show! It is a wonder how invested Constance M Burgess was in the characters that she created.
@@hiramjohnson9681 Of course! Even though it takes me awhile sometimes - there's just so many these days, but I'm really grateful for it, too! - I do read them all, and respond as much as I can! 🥰
And I agree! Constance did a beautiful job with the world she created, and I really wish she had been the one to stick with the show throughout its run and not Brad Kern!
I personally love this episode because it comes full circle with the episode where Paige finds out that Glenn is getting married and tries to sabotage his wedding, but ends up learning from her past mistakes ceases her actions. I think those two episodes were very well written for pages character arc.
Me too! I didn't used to like this episode (most of it is so dark, it's hard for me to see) but the more I rewatch it, the more I like it, and like you said, it brings things full circle! I hope one day we get a prequel that shows more of the Charmed lineage! 🥰
I am also hoping for a prequel to tell the backstory history of their lineage 0:11 @@weirdlybeloved
I agree with your theory; it makes a lot more sense. For example, it doesn't make sense that two mortals can have a child who is a witch unless the latent magic existed down the line. I haven't read the Charmed comic, but I remember reading a summary online that Leo had a third child (apparently the Elders wanted to create a third Charmed line or something), and the child developed Whitelighter powers. When Leo asked the Elders about this, they told him that although he gave up his powers in Charmed season 8, they were still latent in his DNA.
@7:45 I am with you on this. I hate when a character who knows something and is going to explain it gets cut off by another character.
Also, can someone explain why the evil past lives of the sisters don't go to hell? I mean, mortals go to hell when they die and witches I presume although it is never explicitly stated, but somehow the evil Charmed ones get reborn. The Enchantress is a little bit different; because although it was never stated, after the Charmed Ones stripped her power, she might have become good eventually, like Xena which led to our Paige. But evil Phoebe never got the chance, so why didn't she go to hell since she died evil? If she did future Phoebe would be here, and why are some witches reborn, and some not e.g Grams, Charmed's one mum, did they chose not to.
I kind of always assumed that the Evil Enchantress was a distant relative of theirs, because they did the past life thing with the other 3 two seasons earlier, plus had Rose McGowan play her. And since the sisters got their powers from Melinda, a distant future relative of the Evil Enchantress, it would make sense that the powers would be different. This might also explain why Charlotte, Melinda's mom, didn't have powers. Maybe it just took from medieval times to colonial times for the binding potion to wear off.
I still personally believe that the charm ones going back in time is what got them their powers back for their line
I thought the fire phoebe was from evil
@cupidok2768 I think the potion Anton gave her was just to strengthen what she already had. Prue's past life had that ice power and I'm not sure what past Piper's was. Either she could freeze time too and Anton was just fighting through it or she could just slow things down a bit.
The sisters and Leo assume Phoebe's throwing flames power when she's pregnant is her using demonic/the baby's demon power during "her wedding to Cole" arch. It could be that embracing the evil influence from the baby helped to awaken her fire element power again, just like how she had her fire power in the past life.
Right?! And then Piper could access an ice power when she was evil in Bride and Gloom.. maybe the elemental magic is only available when you're influenced by evil?! 😱🤯
@@weirdlybelovedIdk if that makes sense since P.bowen wasn't influenced by evil and got cryokinesis
@@876MANILEI We've been theorizing that perhaps P Bowen's determination to kill her cousin (instead of stripping her powers, killing Anton instead, or finding some other alternative) might have had something to do with it.
As Phoebe states in Morality Bites, the wrong thing done for the right reason is still the wrong thing. Maybe P Baxter was spared punishment since she asked God for forgiveness in the episode?
@@weirdlybeloved Hmmmm
Great video as usual. Just to add something, about Isabel, the first witch. She was born at the first days of humanity and lived for many centuries after getting her magic from the place where all magic comes from, becoming immortal. When Melinda found her, she was already very, very old. I don't really like the comics haha but at least they didn't retcon the Enchantress. Anyway, see ya on the next one.
Thank you!
I loved Charmed growing up. I’m delightfully surprised to find a theory channel.
It really was such a great show! 🥰
Leo also mentioned that when a witch abuses a gift, it gets taken away. Maybe because of the powers being reawakened, the cousins were able to finally access the elemental powers again. And for all we know, other ancestors could have had the same abilities right before them since they don't dive as deep into that as far as I know. But because P. Russell abused the fire ability through evil it was taken away from their line again. As for the ice power P. Bowen had, maybe she ended up abusing it as well and that's why it was taken away? Could be when she and P. Baxter were cursing P. Russell, who for all we know could have had another power? Maybe it was the blow up power Piper ended up getting later on because perhaps she earned it? I don't know, just my theory, XD.
You make a lot of great points! And I definitely think it's likely P. Bowen ended up abusing her power at some point.. I just rewatched the episode recently, and the look on her face when she's looking at P Russell is just.. pure hatred. At least P. Baxter seemed to realize what they're doing was deplorable, as she asks God for forgiveness, but P. Bowen was just.. so cold. Literally.🥶
Just something I wanted to mention. In “Pardon My Past”, there is a scene where the little girl Christina Larson is playing with P. Russell’s crystal ball. The woman whose fortune she is pretending to read, looks a little like Paige to me. It was unintentional as it was two seasons prior to Rose McGowan’s first appearance, but for a long time now I thought it could’ve been a fun little easter egg. And it would definitely lend more validity to the fact that souls tend to run in the same circles lifetime to lifetime.
Ooh, that's a really interesting catch! And definitely possible since the show established that souls tend to travel in the same circles, so Paige must have been around there somewhere!
I think that had Prue not died, Paige would have still been revealed in season 4, and the only way to destroy The Source of all Evil would have been by the Powers of the Four Elements, making it the strongest quadrant ever.
That would have been so cool!! 😮
And that would have been a good season.
And Rose Mcgowan might have been happier (mentally) playing a character who drops by for a chunk of the season, instead of a full regular!@weirdlybeloved
I agree
In case someone didn’t mention it already, I think the charmed ones going back and helping Melinda be delivered might have broken the spell too. Especially because they were the ones that casted it in the first place
Ooh, I like that theory! And it actually would make a lot of sense, too!
I think the evil Enchantress is the reason why Charlotte(mother of Melinda) had no powers. After binding the evil Enchantress powers it's likely her generations powers became dormant until Melinda. The evil Enchantress had Telekinesis and the power to conjure the element. She abuse her powers so when she became Paige she only got the Orbing version of Telekinesis.
Nah. That was just her whitelighter side combining with her witch powers
That's a really interesting theory! But it definitely would make sense that Paige too was a part of the past family tree like that as well. Especially seeing as, like Leo said, the family members always tend to come back in the same family.
Personally, I always took it as Priscilla Baxter (Piper's past life) being the only one from the Warren line, with the other two cousins also being witches, but just not through the Warren line.
One thing that I also always questioned: why did Melinda Warren have all three of those Warren powers, but every other one since then only had one of the three?
Thank you! And that's a fair point, especially since all the cousins had different last names, too!
And yeah, I wondered that too! Maybe it's because Melinda was the 'originator' of the line?🤔
I believe they are still Melinda warrens descendants as for the powers they may have fluctuated in power intensity over time. For example pyrokinesis could be pipers power of combustion mixed with the telekinesis just weaker so while she can’t make things explode she can ignite fire. It would also lend more to the theory every now and then the enchantress’s powers were mixed into what are the Warren powers.
Lol ok I’m obsessing a little but I was rewatching “Pardon My Past” and in the scene where they show their family tree, there’s some easter eggs and continuity errors. It’s kind of hard to make out but according to the tree, Warren is their ancestor Melinda’s married name which is not true according to the episode “All Halliwell’s Eve”. Also, Melinda had two children. She only mentions a daughter named Prudence in the episode “The Witch is Back”. Past Dan’s first name Gordon, becomes his character’s last name in the present. And one of their ancestors was named Curtis Williamson, the same name of the doctor who treated Piper in “Awakened” and appeared again with their powers in “Astral Monkey”. Their grandmother Penny’s death date also does not match up with the episode “Pre-Witched”. Never noticed these before. Clearly the crew didn’t put much thought into these details lol.
Right? That family tree is such a joke, especially since they went out of their way to contradict it later down the line.
Like with Gram's first husband, Allen ~ on the family tree he's named Jack Halliwell and it says he died in 1964. Yet in Witchstock his name is now Allen and he died in 1967 instead. You just want to yell at the writers like, "People!! Fact check your own script before you start filming!"
When it comes to the fire and ice powers, I thought they may have come from one of the other cousin's parents, rather from the Warren parent. Wyatt, Chris and Paige have both orbing and witch powers because their parents had those powers. Paige is even proposed to by another witch/whitelighter, Simon Marks, in the eighth season, wanting to join their magical lines together. Magic can come from one side or both sides, or seemingly from no one, in the case of Melinda.
That's fair! 🙂
But that wouldn’t add up the cousins parents are related to p baxters parents who most likely had a Warren power so why would her sisters or brothers have elemental powers ?
The cousins parents are related on one side. That side being the Warren side, Assuming those Warren witches married other Male witches, it is possible that cousins inherited their Paternal sides powers. I would like to add that I dont believe the warren line were limited to those three powers. The prophecy states that the three sisters that inherited those three powers would be the Charmed ones. Considering the sisters themselves develop new powers naturally, it is safe to assume that other witches in their line had different power sets as well. An example of this would be Wyatt with his orb shield and magical projection.
@@DillonHall-jz6bjit is somewhat explained that the elemental powers possibly came from the Enchantress, the ancestor to Melinda Warren. The Baxter cousins were possibly to be the original Charmed Ones but, the demon Anton inadvertently helped postpone their coming until 1998. Remember how Paige was able to tap into her powers?
I think all your takes are right and the way you can logically fill in the gaps is very nice! You are weirdly beloved
Thank you so much! 🥰
It does explain why those powers aren't seen again. Phoebe lost the fire power as part of karmic retribution aka she used her great power for evil so had to start fresh power wise this life time, learn from her past lives mistake and eventually gain more powerful powers after saving innocents and evening her karmic debt. As far as the ice powers that's pretty straight forward as far as I'm concerned it's just a different iteration of the freezing power if not more of a literal representation but it makes sense that different witches would inherit different aspects of each power and like I mentioned earlier the gaining or lack of powers is explained multiple times as something that happens either for using your powers for good and gaining more as a reward or choosing evil and paying for those mistakes in the next life by not having access to the same power that corrupted them in a past life.
Phoebe has been known to access her fire power when she turns evil (such as when Russell takes over her body in the present and when Phoebe becomes queen is the underworld).
And then Piper is able to access a literal freezing power when she turns evil in Bride and Gloom, so it's really suggestive that these elemental powers might still be in there somewhere, but only be accessible when influenced by evil.. like the Enchantress.
I never really watched charmed growing up but my mother did. I really like your voice. Congratulations you have a new subscriber.
Thank you so much! 🥰
But I'm sure Melinda Warren had multiple magical elemental powers but they did not give time to explain their families lineage so I'm sure if they're going to come up with a prequel one day they will explain everything about their families lineage 0:04
Oh and lets not forget, this is yet another example of time travel being easy.
Omigosh, you're right! Wow, the writers at Charmed really just didn't care sometimes, huh?😓
@@weirdlybeloved Season 4 is the turning point for the show's writing. A lot of it is still good but the cracks were starting to appear.
OK, this is the thing that I am having a dichotomy with- they say that Phoebe and her past life Pearl, lost her Pyrokinesis ability for misusing it. But I believe in the episode, it says that she only had deviation to begin with like Phoebe, but was given Pyrokinesis by Anton. Which is seen again when she marries Cole, which is possibly hinting that Anton might’ve been the source of all evil at that time.
If we look at the scenario with logic, technically everyone’s power grew, and no one was punished. It appears that Pearl could only do deviation in the form of tarot reading in Phoebe’s powers has grown to not only premonitions, but Astral premonitions. Phoebe B.’s molecular manipulation specifically cryokinesis, which is a water power had grown to Prue’s telekinesis. Pricilla’s powers grew to more advanced molecular manipulation scene with Piper. Priscilla had molecular manipulation: molecular deceleration. Piper had molecular manipulation: molecular immobilization.
Therefore, is it possible that the evil enchantress might’ve had all three Warren abilities, but her molecular manipulation surpasses that of all within her line because she was able to manipulate not only molecules, but the molecules of all elements as opposed to manipulating the molecules of beings and objects?
I think Russell already had the fire power, because didn't Anton say the potion he gave her only multiplied it? And I really don't think he was the Source, because the current one (the one the girls had defeated) had been the Source for centuries, so long before Anton met Russell.
And as for the molecule stuff ~ Idk who came up with that, but I wish they didn't try to force a scientific explanation on a show about magic, you know?
Russell was born with fire the potion only made it more powerful
@@weirdlybeloved I just think it makes more sense, especially when they turned evil and Piper was literally freezing Leo with ice, which looks like what crew was doing with her power in her past life. I don’t think it’s necessarily evil power. It just shows that someone is cold and kind of like Elsa from frozen. so her wasn’t necessarily the manipulation of time was manipulation of molecules, which is why she can slow them down or speed them up to the point that they explode and in that instance, she slowed them down and turn them into ice. So none of them actually have time manipulation powers, but they would have to collectively use their powers together to time travel
@@DillonHall-jz6bjyou must not like the guy to be so rude he is giving examples and theories that you are just paraphrasing and trying to make him look crazy I don’t think you are reading what he is saying you don’t have to be such a jerk to the guy he was just expressing himself
@@JBee369 you're a nobody off the internet and clearly you're his friend because every comment of his you're defending even if it's ignorant im not trying to make him look crazy he did himself why do you think the owner of the video isn't responding to his foolish comments
I have chills!! This is so fun! Moooore!
Thank you! And yuss, more coming very soon! :D
Great video and love the theory. I just want to add that in the episode Witchstock, Allen(the first husband of Penny) says to Paige that she reminds him of his aunt or cousin or I’m not sure what it was, but I remember that they hinted that she’s connected with the family tree even back then.
I hate to explain myself in English I hope that comment makes sense 😅
Thank you! And of course, your English is wonderful! ☺
It was his sister 😉. He said he could swear he was looking at her again
@@AngelDRose thank you ☺️
Exactly
Not for nothing, but your audio has gotten so much better!
Thank you!
Thanks for acknowledging that Cole's goal in all Hallows eve wasn't to destroy the Warren line, but to turn them evil instead. Even Cole himself, when he confessed in Sleuthing with the Enemy, got this wrong. (I blame the writers).
Wasn't that Ruth's plan? Cole was just going to go along with her to get Melinda so he could kill her.
@@PittsburghSportsFan43 Maybe, but to counter point, if Cole truly wanted to wipe out the whole Warren line, all he had to was kill Charlotte, which he EASILY could have done. He had time alone with her. I doubt Ruth could have done anything about it, if he had.
@elizabeths.3634 Maybe, maybe not. Plenty of women have died during labor, or had labor induced because they were dying, and had their kids survive. Murdering Melinda would have been the only way to guarantee the family line ended.
@elizabeths.3634 Maybe, maybe not. Plenty of women have died during labor, or had labor induced because they were dying, and had their kids survive. Murdering Melinda would have been the only way to guarantee the family line ended.
I think they’re referring to her being the original witch of the Salem witch trials. Because witchcraft in the Western world does not predate witchcraft in Africa because Tituba was actually a slave who taught Caucasian women witchcraft. so wicca and witchcraft or sorcery of any kind is something that is technically pretty new to the western society because in the African spirituality about how Gods are angels and demons are not necessarily good or bad. They just have an inclination towards positive and negative energy which is similar in humans. It also makes sense that it would come late to the western world because it talks about how melanin is what makes you closest to the divinity of the Earth, which is why they say that people with melanin have a Ba & Ka but Europeans and some Asians and Latines only have a Ka (mind) but no Ba (spirit).
This theory is so good I'm choosing to believe it's true. Love Charmed and your videos!!! ❤
Thank you so much! I'm glad you liked the theory ~ it definitely made me see their lineage in a whole new light! ❤
I often think it would have been awesome to do have an elemental sisters if Prue would have still been alive.
I imagine
Prue 💨 being air and her powers manifesting like strong powerful gusts of wind. Similar to her actual tk powers operate only elemental. Air is leader energy so it makes sense to me for her.
Piper 🍁 obviously being earth and her powers manifesting like her goddess powers in season 5. Earth mother is Piper in her best form.
Phoebe 🔥 being fire and her powers in her past life and evil Phoebe era. Fire represents Phoebe in so many ways passionate, impulsive and romantic yet volatile in it's worst form.
Paige 💧 is by far the most empathic sister even moreso than Phoebe so water makes the most sense for her and her orbs even look slightly like cascading water.
Omigosh, I love that idea!! That would have been amazing to see! 😍
I wonder if the Evil Enchatress's ability to travel through time is connected to Piper's power to stop time? So in a way she sort of uses the powers of all three charmed ones, she knew when to go, sort of like a premonition, she travels through time, and she used telekinesis. It's a stretch but i could see it. Piper's powers later were described as influencing molecules so maybe not
Omigosh, that's a great point!! And I think the Enchantress having a version of all three power would help explain why Melinda also had three powers instead of just one like the rest of her line! 😮
@@weirdlybeloved Piper also had ice powers briefly when she was a warlock and froze leo in ice. So maybe the elemental powers are dormant in them?
@@blazer247x It's very possible! It really makes you wonder if the elemental powers are only accessible when influenced by evil? 🤔
This is one of my top 10 favourite episodes I love it
Hmm, I always thought / or explained it to myself that the cousins has elementry powers as a kind of improvement to their original powers. Like Prue got astral projection later on, Phoebe became an Emphat and Piper could explode things
This would also make sense given that Phoebe was supposed to get the power of Electricity/Lightning, according to Mortality Bites, which is an elemental power and (somehow) meant to represent the growth of her powers.
Omg this is such a good theory, I love it
Thank you! ^^
I actually used to think that the enchantress was an ancestor namely because the past episodes involving past lives did have said witches being their ancestors and because I entered the Charmed fandom later so the Melinda Warren info never stuck.
However I would like to point out that if I remember correctly it wasn’t unusual for other witches to have active powers that weren’t connected to the family line and that Melinda having three active powers that were passed down was actually considered unusual… but again I don’t fully remember and could be wrong.
I also remember that members of the Warren line did have watered down variations of the original powers. However this is mainly from said past life episode and checking the wikia about the comics where they revealed the sisters children’s powers. I bring this up because Piper’s powers were focused on slowing and speeding molecules and, my very little and probably wrong knowledge of science, thinking that fire and ice come from that power.
However the elemental magic always felt cooler so it seemed weird
You make a fair point about how it seems most witch families don't seem to have powers that are passed down through the family line the same way the Warrens are! I personally don't really go for the molecule stuff, though.
I think it’s possible that in pardon my past the writers wanted to give the cousins elemental powers and chose to give ice and fire to the cousins but the charmed power to grams mom. For season 4 the writers may have decided to do a retcon or tie up loose ends by putting the evil enchantress as a distant ancestor of Melinda.
When are they doing the Warren's show on Paramount plus? Love ur video.
Thank you! I'm really glad you like it! ☺️
The Warren's trailer is actually a fanmade trailer, so unfortunately no Charmed prequel is currently in production, but I'm hoping networks notice the positive reaction to the fanmade version and decide to make it for real!
Hey, @weirdlybeloved I wanted to ask what you love about Charmed!
This is the one show I remember having watched since I could talk and walk (born 2000).
However, the drama behind the scenes makes me really perceive there to be an extremely high tension on set all the freaking time, hence my enjoyment watching slightly decreases.
Also, the continuity errors really bug me. Charmed leans more on World Building, whereas Buffy prefers using it‘s world as a huge honking metaphor.
I like Charmed‘s style slightly better, because it makes me actually zap into it‘s world, yet they couldn’t pay someone like a thousand bucks a month to look for plot holes and fill them.
The more time passes, I kind of loose faith in this project, or at least mourn it‘s amazing potential, yet I am grateful for it nonetheless, cause it made my childhood, when I still believed that Cole actually willingly chose to become evil, way cooler!
It‘d be cool to dive a little into your perspective on your take on this 🐣
Hi! Omigosh, I love SO much about Charmed.. the humor, the style, the sisterly bond, the early villains and plotlines.. plus the nostalgia factor! My sister and I didn't have the best home life growing up, and watching Charmed was one of our escapes, so it's great that we can still find ways to reconnect with that as adults! 🥰
What are your favorite things about the show? ^^
And omigosh, Buffy was another one of our favorites!! Not season four, though.. season 4 was sooo boring to us, lol..
I remember seeing a post that said elemental magic specially fire power can be tapped into when a warren witch is evil. For example Phoebe in Season 4 when she is queen of the underworld or Piper in I believe season 3 turning Leo into Ice and shattering him. Which makes this theory make even more sense to me.
Right?! I've been wondering if the elemental magic is only accessible when influenced by evil!
@@weirdlybeloved that has to be it!
That is cool but p Bowen wasn’t evil well she was a very scary witch
@@DillonHall-jz6bj that’s a good point
@@DillonHall-jz6bj Idk about evil, but there was definitely a malice in her that wasn't present in P. Baxter. If you watch the scene where Phoebe runs away in Russell's body, the look on Bowen's face is pure hatred, whereas P. Baxter understands it needs to be done but still asks God for forgiveness.
I don't think the Warren Line was limited to those three powers. The Charmed prophecy states that the set of sisters that inherited said powers would be the Chosen or 'Charmed ones'. So it is possible that random powers/abilities develop naturally throughout the years. The sisters themselves are perfect examples of this.
-Prue develops astral projection(which should of went to phoebe considering psychics are notorious for using astral projection in supernatural lore)
- Piper develops the blasting power ( In the comics Pipers powers continue to grow, she can speed up molecules to the point of bring water to boil, igniting small flames and melting down solids.)
- Phoebe develops levitation and Empathy and later on as seen in the episode when they go to the future, she gets Psychic reflection, which is expanded on in the comics as well.
-Paige develops an orb shield in the comics like the one Wyatt uses.
Which brings us to the ultimate example... Wyatt Matthew Halliwell who has the power of Projection( I understand that he is twice blessed but still 😂😂😂.) So maybe the past life cousins having elemental powers is valid. This is Charmed after all and if there is one thing this family is going to do is BREAK THE RULES.
I'm working on a video that kind of covers this exact subject, so I won't say too much now, but it's established in the pilot that Melinda Warren had three powers; to see the future, stop time, and move things with her mind.
Those powers were passed down through her line, growing stronger and stronger, culminating in the arrival of the Charmed Ones, the most powerful witches ever known, so it's natural that they would be able to utilize their powers in ways previous Warrens could not.
And for the record, the powers that weren't directly connected to their Warren powers didn't start showing up until season three, when Constance M Burge (the series creator) lost creative control to Brad Kern. So I'm sure that had a fair bit to do with their powers seeming to grow at random in that season.
I know you mentioned you don't care for the comics but i just wanted to mention the powers, not the story.
@@weirdlybeloved With the exception of Prues Astral Projection, with she received in Season 2
@@leandrojimenez10 Actually, no. I said I was talking about powers that weren't directly connected to their Warren powers in regards to S3. When Prue astral projects for the first time in S2 they say:
Piper: Do you think this is part of your powers growing?
Prue: Maybe. I mean, if I can move things with my mind, why not my body?
While I think your theory is a pretty good one, I also have my own for P. Russel and P. Bowen had elemental-based powers.
One explanation that I thought of, of why Prue and Phoebe's past lives had elemental powers instead of the usual Warren line powers was that there was no rule of a Warren witch having to marry a mortal, and some may have married a fellow witch instead. Maybe P. Russel and P. Bowen's father's were witches and had elemental powers, which is why their daughters followed in their footsteps in that department and not in the Warren powers. And P. Baxter, Piper's past life, married a mortal (Past Dan) and had a Warren power, unlike her cousins.
Of course, this is just an idea, but what do YOU think of it?
It's always possible! Though I personally think the magic was most likely passed through the maternal side of the family, just because Charmed puts so much emphasis on the Charmed line being female-led!
So as an avid fan of fantasy and mysticism, as well as magick and lore. I’d like to point out that the powers of ice and fire could fall under the three aspects of the charmed line power. By understanding physics and energy and how that acts on matter and energy? Suppose you have the ability to move matter at a atomic level? Al heat is is the thermal energy given off from friction of particles moving and vibrating. Fire is a very distinct earthly phenomena. But at its core it’s a physical effect of motion sparking a source of fuel. You need the energy or motion, the catalyst of the spark, and the fuel or object that burns. Assuming that anyone ever could just bypass those rules to channel magical fire with our a fuel source it would then be possible to make a blast or wave of heat with telekinetic powers, then once something is on fire you could further manipulate it with telekinetic. For the ice and freezing time we need to go deeper to identify what’s exactly happening. It’s not actually Stoping time, it’s explained in charmed that that power is actual the ability to stop or pause or slow down the movement of atoms, or speed them up hence the combustion power Piper showed. So you could both cause a cooling effect by or a thermal effect by stoping or speeding up the motion of atoms. Honestly with the combined ability to stop or speed up but also move the course of molecules and atoms you could literally make black holes and novas or nuclear explosions! Ice is specific as well as fire in that they are the effects of temperature on liquids or solids. Honestly All supposed elemental powers in fantasy are not accurate to physics. Because you can’t actually channel fire with no fuel or air or heat? Same with ice with no water or fluid. The only way would be if those natural effects where living energy’s and in constant existence and you could somehow fuel those reactions and the matter needed from your own body or magic. It would be exhausting. It’s also why electrical powers are so realistic because our never a already conduct small amounts of it, and it’s the effect of the interaction of charged ions and their speed and direction that make electric arcs. You need no fuel only air power and a target. Sry if this is a bit rambling but I love these type of ideas and debates on lore and magic. I was raised Wiccan and while I no longer follow that path it left it’s mark on me. To be plan the point of the video could be very true in the concept of their charmed ones lineages. But it could also be that the ones throwing ice and fire where manipulating the water and air to either have a thermal charge or lack there of. It would basically be a combination of telekinetic and molecular and atomic manipulation with a touch of manifestation. Honestly it’s difficult to make fully realistic and physics complying magical systems. Those that do it are usually the best ones. It’s much easier to leave it ambiguous or to attribute a kinda divine life force behind magic and matter and energy that would be both the fuel for any energy based projection, as well as the person being the catylst for said power. That it’s through them that this magic can be made manifest and to transform matter and energy around them. Much easier then those that make it seem like the person is the source of the power versus just the on controlling it. Basically you couldn’t ever make a ball of fire and throw it, but you could make something flammable burn and catch fire and then manipulate its motion.
Oh wow, that's a reeeeeeally long paragraph.. it's a little hard to follow, but I do see your point. I just personally prefer to separate science from a show about magic. :)
Maybe because Cole tampered with their history and had Prue, Piper, and Phoebe go back in time creating a grandfather paradox real awakened Melinda Warren powers? I like that theory but I also believe that the evil enchantress had all three war powers, but was just so adept in molecular manipulation to the point that she could manipulate the elements’ molecules. Remember there are water molecules which would fall under ice as we know because of water bending then you would have earth and metal molecules, air, molecules, and fire molecules, which can be replicated as lightning.
This would explain why the charmed ones are evil in the evil world. The plan to create a kingdom of darkness actually happened in that world by none other than the evil enchantress. But Leo already knew the existence of the evil world if he actually studied under gideon and magic school before becoming their Whitelighter and defeating rennek. Which got him promoted to becoming their whitelighter. Thats also why he knew the world would be rewritten if she conceived an heir while still evil.
Omigosh, I didn't even think about the mirror world, that's such a great point!! And that would explain why Paige's version of the fairytale actually ends with the Enchantress actually accomplishing her goal! 😱🤯
I just noticed some patterns.
In Morality Bites, the were being taught a lesson(the right reason doesn't make a wrong thing right). Gideon later learned the same lesson. Um, maybe P. Bowen lost her cryokinesis because she did a wrong thing for the right reason. I don't mean killing Russel, I mean cursing all her future lives. She literally gave a death sentence to potentially good people. And not to mention I don't even think the reason made sense. Anton wasn't hard to kill. It wasn't the power of 3, a special spell, a special artifact that killed him, it was Russel's own pyrokinesis, deflected by Prue. So if they wanted to prevent Russel's future lives aligning with Anton I don't see why Bowen's cryokinesis couldn't have solved that. Her cryokinesis was shown to be at the same level as Russel's pyrokinesis. Baxter could have frozen him(in terms of time freezing) even if only to slow him down and bowen could have then ... um frozen him again(in ice ofc, lol). And then they could have shattered him like the charmed ones did with Zile. As for why Baxter kept her power, maybe she had another one that was taken from her. It was probably also an elemental power. Notice how Russel, Bowen and the Enchantress lost their elemental powers but at least for the Enchantress and Russel we know their other powers, in fact they got stronger versions of them. So this kind of implies that Bowen could have had some weaker form of telekinesis and that if Baxter had an elemental power that's the one she would lose. Maybe elemental powers make the user more um morally compromising or rather a person needs to be relatively morally compromising to have them which is why Phoebe got pyrokinesis when she became the queen of evil, Piper got cryokinesis when she was turned into a warlock, Prue's advanced telekinesis in the future caused an explosion and fire in the attic at a moment where she was more morally compromising and Combustion only after she broke the rules and got married to Leo. And I know I am gonna get hate for saying this but this rule isn't actually bad. A psychologist and a lawyer shouldn't date their client for the same reason, conflicting interest. And while Piper and Leo passed their probation, there was no guarantee they wouldn't change in the future. The rule is simply there out of ethical reasons. If you go through charmed you'll see that most witches that had elemental powers were villains - Christy, the sea hag, Vicus' witches(they had energy balls and could conjure balls that cause combustion upon contact), Tuatha(combustion but only when she had her wand), Phoenix witches(they had energy balls and whether they were villains or not, well they're assassins)
Right? There were definitely other alternatives than cursing all of P Russell's future lives and sentencing them all to death, especially since it didn't even solve the problem! Anton lived on and was waiting around for Russell to be reborn, so they were clearly going to reunite at some point.. it just seems like vanquishing Anton would have been the better (and much less harsh) option.
And yeah, I never really liked Piper and Leo's relationship, it seemed a bit inappropriate.. especially when you consider the fact that Leo's been watching over the sisters since they were children. 🤢
@@weirdlybeloved Yeah, also the enchantress had powers over air and electricity, Bowen over ice, Russel over fire which leaves out the element of earth(potentially for Baxter). That would tie in as a nice pattern with Piper becoming the goddess of earth. An alternative and potentially very interesting way the writers could have explained Baxter getting to keep her power is to have had her appear in Witchstock (she should have been alive at that time) and meet Phoebe and address cursing Russel. That would make Leo's timeline ever weirder(I am not even gonna call it gross at this point because for something to be gross, it has to make sense first, lol and Leo's timeline was clearly not thought through at all). Imagine P Baxter seeing her former lover act as Leo did in Witchstock.
@@brunoserafimovski1903 Omigosh, I never even thought about how they collectively cover all of the elements! Would you mind if I mention that in a future video? I'm happy to credit you!
And yeah, Leo comes across as very creepy at times, and Witchstock was definitely one of the worst! Just, ugh.. even Penny seemed grossed out by him! 🤮
@@weirdlybeloved sure you can mention it
@@weirdlybeloved Hey, sorry(or you're welcome) for all the theories(I'm adhd, we have creating brains) but I have a theory on what Bowen's telekinetic power might have looked like. Notice the attack she did on Russel after Russel confronted her. Some people think she used levitation which i disagree, we've seen levitation too many times not to recognize it. But it is impressive so I understand why people would think it was magical in some way. I did some research on access to self-defense for women in the 20s and it was rare. Rare doesn't mean impossible but notice how Bowen reacted when Phoebe went inside Russel and performed martial arts. Why would she be so surprised that Russel could learn to do that if she took self-defense classes. So I went on superpower wiki and started looking at different powers that might be able to produce such an effect, specifically ones related to telekinesis and I came across tactile telekinesis. Tactile telekinesis is actually very different because you still need to touch the object. For example you can make a blender spin without turning it on but you still need to be in contact with it. While at first it may sound useless, it's actually not. That means you can literally touch someone and knock them away, you can shatter an object by touching it, in a very advanced form maybe collapse buildings(since the feet are in contact with the floor) and of course you can telekinetically enhance the movements of your own body because you're always in contact with your body. The final thing that convinced me was that I can see thing turning into cryokinesis. Notice first, how bowen activated her cryokinesis. She blew on her hand. Her breath made contact with her hand. Our breaths do contain water vapor and to turn water vapor into ice you can either lower the temperature or increase the pressure(high pressure makes things solidify). So the idea is, bowen blew on her hand and when her breath made contact with her skin she compressed it into ice.
Anton doesn't say "I like having that power", he says "I'm GONNA like having that power." He doesnt have the power but he does want it. I think P. Baxter does have the power to actually freeze time, not just slow it down, but Anton is too strong after taking the power enhancement potion so he is able to fight through it. I always just took it as P. Baxters ability wasn't as powerful as Pipers freeze to begin with. Thats also why Anton had to be holding Phoebe's hand so the necklace would protect them both against the sisters. I think Piper was a bigger threat to Anton and he knows how strong her power is and could be now, because he already had to go up against it.
Omigosh, you're right!! How did I miss that?! 😭
I do agree about P Baxter though! Maybe it's because Piper's a Charmed One, but I noticed that her power to freeze seemed to be stronger than even her mother, Patty's!
In P3H20 Patty has to physically set down the cables to freeze Sam, whereas we've seen Piper not only freeze things with other objects in hand, but she can do it one handed, like in All Halliwell's Eve! Anton probably knew his tricks stood no chance against Piper. 😔
@@weirdlybeloved Hey loved the video btw, and yeah it's a really subtle line delivery on that one lol. My comment was already so long it's funny you talked about Patty, cause I was going to mention that Pipers power might be the strongest freeze ever, but is it because she is a charmed one? We don't know, and we only ever see Patty use that power other than Piper. We know Piper is stronger than her mom.... But there could have been another witch in their line that is stronger than Piper we just don't know about. Like we know Prue was never quite as powerful or skilled as grams, or at least she never got the chance to show it, though Prue was extremely powerful in her own right just saying. We also know of Brianna Warren who was possibly the most powerful telekinetic produced by the Warren line throwing a sword hundreds of miles away, something I don't think even grams could have done. So who knows with Pipers power, she is at least the most developed and powerful "freezer" we know of though.
@@mr.narrator6781 Thank you! And that's true.. I really wish we knew more about the Charmed line, so we knew more about how the powers developed and were passed down through the line!
Oooh. Never heard of this theory. Gotta watch.
I have a different theory which doesn’t go against the charmed one’s being descendants of the evil enchantress. Personally I think that might not have been a power from the Warren line of witches but maybe from another bloodline that crossed with theirs. That would explain why the only one the girls are directly descended from is also the only one of the cousins to have a Warren power.
I think that they could have had a Warren witch get with a male witch of a potentially weaker bloodline that might have had a cryokinetic ability (or pyrokinetic) in the case of P. Russell. So they could have the strength of a Warren witch with the active power of a different witch family.
That's a really interesting idea! I wonder if there are any clues to that idea hidden in the Warren family tree in Pardon My Past?
I mean Wyatt is also part of the Warren line and he has all sorts of powers ( not including whitelighter powers ) that aren’t those three Warren powers . The force field the conjuring and he also had fire abilities and pipers exploding powers prues astral powers and phoebes levitation are signs that other powers are possible plus in the comics one of Paige’s kids can start fires and in the future prues powers looked like they had a fire effect on them so idk maybe the evil enchantress is in their line but their could be variants or different powers in the line
Fair point ~ I don't really follow the comics, though.
That is so cool because that plays on how children tend to remember their past lives, kinda like the little boy who remembered being princess Diana in a past life for the little boy who remembers being Tommy, who was the captain of the titanic. They thought that it was made up, but it turns out they had a lot of information that was not available to the public or even the twins that were born after their twins had passed away they started having their memories, but I think a lot of that could be due to parents coaching their children.
Uh.. okay?
@@weirdlybeloved no I’m saying like it’s a whole thing where there are reports that children remember past lives in. These are just a few that I named that are the most commonly known.
@@JT-mb1te past lifes aren't real but cool story
@@DillonHall-jz6bj I didn’t say they were. What with the coming for me? Like damn. What I do to you? I don’t even know you.
He never said they were real. He was talking about a Phenomena that was similar and gave examples can your read
The best episode with Paige and Rose really dark👑
@@devojka3721 ❤️
I think P Russell Phoebe's past life her powers were starting to grow but I think her were like boyfriend and son he gave her a potion so her powers could grow more quick I think P Bowen her powers was
starting to grow so I think there was a chance for the Halliwell
sisters to have access to these elemental magical powers I think it was limited at a time so I think in the comic book they started to have this kind of power but too bad they
They Did
show that in the series The Charmed ones would have been powerful if each of them had different kind of elemental
Magic so they could have 0:04 deserved it if they did good and fight in the innocence but not all mortal were innocent anyway 0:02
Maybe the evil enchantress has a sister or a brother allowing the line to countine and that’s how p Bowen and p Russell got elemental powers and one of her siblings had a Warren power aka p Baxter having freeze
That would be really interesting!
For clarification about the comics, Neena is the Original Witch. She's also immortal, so she was actually born near the dawn of humanity, but she never died and lived to meet Charlotte Warren and later, the Charmed Ones.
Okay
We know the book of shadows was created in like the 15th century the enchantress was way older then they she couldn’t have wrote a description of herself meaning someone must have heard of her or maybe she was reborn again before becoming Paige
Didn't Melinda say in the episode The Witch Is Back that she started the Book of Shadows and that it "all started with her?" Plus the front page of the Book of Shadows has the date 1693 written on it, so that would have been the 17th century ~
I never thought about this theory that much. I love it. It is very interesting and plausible. Sadly, I doubt the writers gave it that much thought. As for the genetic aspects of it, I actually made a video, granted for Harry Potter, not Charmed that explains how I think genetics works for magic (how you get a muggle born wizard or wizard born muggle). My same theory could be true in charmed as well. The video is still on my channel if you would be interested.
Ooh, that does sound really interesting, and I love the idea! I'm currently packing and trying to get ready to go out of town next week, but I'll add it to my watch later list and definitely check it out when I have time!
@@weirdlybeloved If you do watch it, I hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoyed the content on your channel.
Charmed continued with a s9 and 10 in comics. They tell the origins of witches r all descendants to Neena. The 1st Witch who is immortal and 2.5 million years old. She found an ultra powerfull nexus called The All. The source of all magic, hence the name. And shared it with her mate, the 2nd witch. they're both r the Adam and Eve to all witches. Charlotte Warren, Melinda's mother met her, and awoken the unborn baby's witch heritage. P. Baxter actally slowed time, not stop. Anton and the other's all adjusted to fight through it all.
I've always thought the EE was in Paige's father's bloodline.
I mentioned in the video that I'm aware of the comics, but I'm not a fan of them so I don't follow them or consider them canon.
@@weirdlybeloved Well, how about EE is in Paige's father's bloodline? Cause if so, then the elemental powers to the others r just random of fate or chance. Just like with Wyatt's Projection. What about that possibility?
@@sifilore I kind of think that the elemental powers are on the magical side of the family, but only accessible when evil. That would explain why Piper could use ice when evil in Bride and Gloom and Phoebe could use fire when evil as well.
Great job. Love love loved this 😊
Thank you so much! 😊
Oh, thats a very nice theory :0
Thank you!
If you follow the logic of your past life bring an amcestor withing Charmed, then thay may also mean that King Arthur is an ancestor. The enchantress could then be a child of Morgan Le Fey (depending on the interpretation you're using).
You never know! The show did have an episode about King Arthur's sword, and Wyatt WAS the heir!
Exactly! And the interpretation of King Arthur is usually that the "heir" of Excalibur is actually Arthur reincarnated.
can someone remind me why they have to give them names starting with the letter P?
I'm not sure! Maybe it was a tradition that started with the cousins, since they all had P names as well?
Yo the enchantress ep. Was sooo expensive for the charmed ones….their house and Paige’s apt and car were all so trashed. After every fight I was estimating all the repairs lmao they were so broke after this episode
Omigosh, right?! I can't even imagine how much money they spent over the years having to repair not only the manor, but a VICTORIAN manor, that would probably need specific materials and qualities to maintain, which are probably not cheap.. 😰
I think Warren Line was definitely the descendants from the evil enchantress because the future charmed one's did bind her power's for life until Melinda Warren is the first 4th generation to be born as a witch and the evil enchantress became mortal to passed down from her to Charlotte Warren as mortal
It would definitely explain a lot!
Have u seen charmed rekogning fan made trailer it's so good
I haven't! What's it about?
@@weirdlybeloved I can't believe you haven't seen it's the charmed fan made trailer it's so good you can tell a true fan made it you should check it out it's wonderful
@@randomgeekcrap Haha, yeah.. they're not normally my kind of thing, but if you say it's good then it's definitely worth checking out! 😊
@@weirdlybeloved oh yes you can tell a 100% a true charmed fan made it it's better then modern trailers
I didn't even realize they made a comic.
I didn't know until a couple years ago, but the more I hear about them the more I wish I hadn't.. 😥
They ran two "seasons" of the comic, officially seasons 9 & 10. One storyline I know about is Prue's spirit taking over the body of another witch and coming back (they weren't able to get Shannon's permission to use her likeness, just like when she left the show), only having to leave again because only the the three actual Charmed Ones can exist together in the same area at any one time, not a fourth one. I think Prue may have turned evil at one point?
WHAT IF YOU DID A VIDEO ON THE CHARMED COMICS OR ALL CHARMED FAMILY POWERS EXPLAINED
I'd love to do a video on all of the family powers! Especially since we've been theorizing in the comments that maybe the elemental powers are only accessible to the Warren line when they've been affected by evil! And I'm actually already working on a video talking about some theories about Leo's powers!
I probably wouldn't do a video on the comics, though.. I'm not really a fan of continuations. 😓
@@weirdlybeloved awesome and another theory what if magically Cole is Wyatt’s dad when piper ate the chocolate from the seer that had demon blood (the seers blood) in it so Wyatt would be part witch,white lighter, and demon
@@LaveauBloodline Omigosh, that would be wild!
I think her voice changed because she was vulnerable now and she used a deep voice to sound intimidating maybe the cousins could access the elemental powers because they were cousins and not sisters
Ooh, that's a good point!
Maybe the enchantress has siblings ? And that’s how it continued
@@DillonHall-jz6bj I didn't even think of that! That would have been really cool!
Now it does make sense 👌👍
Can't wait for the Penelope "Penny" Halliwell video.
Thank you! I'm really excited for it too! 😁
Loved the video 💜 thanks for sharing 🌈☮️
Thank you so much! 🥰
what if the powers come from fathers side?
@@dvd573 Always possible! It was said in the show that Warren powers are passed down from mother to daughter, but Wyatt and Chris both broke those rules, so for all we know it could have happened before as well!
Paige she should have done a book about it a long time ago because she thought all this time it's something that she invented but it's true that the evil enchantress with her elemental Magic she had multiple powers and multiple elements and Melinda Warren she has to know so much about the family lineage that we never have a chance to discover it and like you said the Warren witches are descending from the evil enchantress and there's things that we don't know about the evil enchantress no one number one knows her name and her origin story the evil enchantress and she wants to summon the greatest evil of them all but who who was the outlaw that she 0:02
I think the Halliwell sisters they didn't have access To that kind OF magical powers is because wayback the evil enchantress she abused her power only for her own benefits so I think there was a problem with the timeline and to tell the story of their own family lineage but I would love to see a prequel one day if they think about doing a Charmed prequel 0:02
I believe that she had conquering the elements because she had the greatest form of molecular manipulation where she can manipulate all elements similar to the avatar: the last Airbender. But scene is that she had telekinesis as well. She could’ve most likely as well had deviation, but did not practice that as much as she did atomokinesis, which is the correct term for conjuring the elements. Also, how is everyone to know she has divinations if she doesn’t tell them about her premonitions. And contrary to popular belief just because you have premonitions does not mean you see everything so she does not have the ability to see that the prince will be taken. Just because you have premonitions does not mean that you can have premonitions to help yourself because generally people who are psychics or have premonitions. It can only help others and those around them and particularly not themselves.
But I don’t know how the line would continue she failed at having a child with the king and her powers were bound and most likely was killed or jailed how ever we know that that happened because they traveled to the past to stop her that means she succeeded in having a kid and the line continued until Melinda was born
She wasn't able to have a child with the prince and create a dark kingdom, but I feel like the prince would have let her go afterward (or at least a token imprisonment) since she didn't have her powers anymore and was no longer a threat. And it also seemed like she already lived in the castle and had at least some measure of status, so maybe her position also helped protect from experiencing punishment for her actions?
@@weirdlybelovedoh yeah and also she could have found someone else to have a kid with
It's an interesting theory
Telekinesis isn't a Warren Exclusive Power
Many beings have telekinetic abilities and the strength can vary.
I found it interesting that Paige was born with a inactive witch gene. Which doesn't activate until she takes prues place in the power of three.
The charmed comics explain that neena was the first witch to ever exist! Been a tapped into the all. And that's why witches have different powers. But the Warren Witches for the most part have genetic powers, like Telekinesis or premonition.
There were some Warren's who had invisibility and other niche powers.
I wish piper would have naturally received the ability to turn her enemies into ice like she did in bride and gloom from season3
This would make sense to me
But that Neena/Isabel thing doesn't make sense, since - as I said in the video - witches such as the Enchantress clearly existed long before her, so it contradicts the show.
This is a cool theory and all, but the elemental powers actually do fit the Warren line, specifically one of the powers, molecular inhibition. During her time as a witch, Piper demonstrated both Ice and Fire powers. Let me explain. When Piper was a warlock, she could turn people into ice. That's actually a natural evolution of her powers, she normally just slows molecules down to a certain point, the crystelisation is what occurs when she slows molecules to a complete stop. It's called molecular inhibition. It's possible P.Bowens mother had this power, which evolved into cryokinesis in the next generation.
The actual evolution of Pipers powers was molecular combustion. Towards the last few seasons she demonstrated the ability to make fire as well. The comics introduced a less powerful, but more controlled variant called molecular acceleration, allowing the user to melt or heat object, or create fire if the have combustible materials. I think this was P. Russels original power. Anton's potion allowed her to fire it from her hands. It makes sense since P. Baxter had molecular deseleration, which is a lesser version of Pipers power. In the comics, Paige's twin daughters have acceleration and deceleration, so the same thing could happen with cousins.
Yeah.. I'm sorry, but I think the fandom took one throwaway line from Leo about molecules and ran with it, because people are trying to apply it to every ability in the show now.
I think it's fine if the majority of the fandom wants to stick to the powers as they were established in the first few seasons; the power to see the future, to move things with your mind, and to stop time.
@@weirdlybeloved I'm sorry, did you miss the part where I pointed out actual precedence in both the show and the comics for both abilities evolving from Pipers.
@@iainwhite8617 Did you miss the part in the video where I said I that I base my info on the show since I'm not a fan of the comics?
@@weirdlybeloved I did miss that, yes. Sorry about that. But even in the show Piper is the only sister who demonstarted elemental abilities not counting past lives or borrowed powers. So I still think my theory makes sense.
@@iainwhite8617 Phoebe could access the power of fire when she turned evil in season 4 as well. Leo tried to say it was an upper-level demonic ability, but since we already know Phoebe had an affinity with fire, I think it's just as possible that, like Piper, she can only access her latent elemental abilities when she is evil.
They don't have to be connected directly. For all we know she could feature in the Book of Shadows because another incarnation on Paige within the Warren bloodline already had issues with the Evil Enchantress the same way Page had issues with her in this particular episode. As for the elemental powers, it doesn't seem like those are super rare in this universe, and I doubt the Warren bloodline only ever married mortals over the centuries.
I'm not really sure how other Warrens could have had issues with her since it wasn't alluded to in the show, and the Evil Enchantress lived during the 12th century and the Warren line wasn't established until the 17th century, nor was the Book of Shadows.
If the evil enchantress storyline had already happened wouldn’t they be changing the future by binding her powers. I think there’s so many loop holes that happened that we aren’t supposed to question haha
I mean what you’re saying is plausible, but if she did not have a baby with the prince, but someone else because they left her alive, she could very well pass on her abilities to her offspring despite not having her powers herself. They didn’t remove them. They just bind them. There’s a difference. Stripping is when you remove someone’s binding when individual no longer has access to their powers. you raise a valid suggestion, but you have to look a little deeper
Very true! Though the series did something similar in All Halliwell's Eve where they had to go back and save their line from turning dark, so I feel like this episode could have been a similar situation.🙂
binding her powers wouldn't really change anything she could have a kid with another man and that kid would have powers because binding potions don't affect the child like the parent
@@DillonHall-jz6bj why are you literally saying what I just said just to make me look stupid like you’re really bothering me I have done nothing to you and you want to twist my words to make it sound like I said something I didn’t so that you can twist my words so you can correct me
@@JT-mb1tehe really is doing that from a few post that I saw I think he just don’t like you for some reason what you do to him
I don’t think that when she said us, she was referring to Paige. I think that when she said us, she was referring toPaige, Phoebe, Piper, Prue, and everyone within their line that they could’ve possibly lost their powers and they lost their royalty because they thwarted her plan. Or she could’ve been referring to Paige saying that you got our powers taken away. In this action could cause Paige to eventually lose her powers.
Who is to say the Evil Enchantress is even related to the Halliwell line? What I mean is the Warrens married other witches who lineages more than likely go back further than the Warrens/Halliwell. The Evil Enchantress can be an ancestor of the sisters but don't have to be an ancestor of Melinda. Given Grams disgust at Patty marrying a mortal, I assume prior to Patty the ancestors for the most part married other witches. With that in mind the sisters witch lineage would consist of way more ancestors than just the Warren line.
@@nicholaswhite9953 No one can say either way, that's why we're just theorizing about the possibility
@weirdlybeloved actually in the show Melinda was the first Warren witch who was born of two mortal humans. This is what made her special. Thus, per canon, the evil enchantress wouldn't have been an ancestor of Melindas. However, it could have been an elancestor of her descendants depending on marriage.
@@nicholaswhite9953 As I stated in the video, there's always the possibility that one of Melinda's parents (likely her mom) wasn't actually a mortal, but actually a descendant of the Evil Enchantress, who had her magic bound so even though her line carried her magic genes, they couldn't be accessed.
After centuries of this they had likely come to believe they were simply mortals.. but then came Melinda, who broke the spell and was able to tap into the family magic.
It's fine if you disagree, I'm just saying that there's a potential alternative.
I enjoyed the comics, Neena was the first witch from the beginning of time. Basically the Adam & Eve story with her & her love finding the "Nexus of the All" that gave them powers. Witches & warlocks come from them.
She stopped Melinda's mother from having an abortion after Melinda's father disappeared & Neena gave her the information she needed to get to the witches that helped her give birth. Neena wanted Melinda to be born b/c she knew the Charmed Ones would be able to help her get back to her love who (I think) the angels of destiny separated her from b/c the Nexus of the All was dying or something & to save everything the two had to be separated so she was left on Earth & he was sent to the heavens or whatever.
It doesn't really impact the show IMO & it reflects that witches & warlocks were there from the beginning of time, it was just about how much of the "All" they were able to access that determined their strength.
Uh.. thanks. I don't follow the comics, since I'm not a fan of them, though.
@weirdlybeloved I know, It was my long winded way of clarifying that the comic established that witches were a thing since the beginning of time and didn't retcon the cannon created by the show😂
At the end of the video it seems the Wiki you referred to didn't clarify that Neena as the first witch (& immortal) existed long before The Enchantress & Melinda.
@@charmedlife1990 I know. I still consider them a separate canon from the show.
Paige had to have more then one past life no way her past life waited 1000 years to be reborn
Oh, for sure. It's just hard to tell when her past lives might have appeared in the timeline, and whether that would have been before or after Melinda was born?
All those people recognizing the enchantress as Paige, including herself, doesn't mean that they're not recognizing the soul.
She could also be identical to her. If they established that you recognize the souls of people you know then it doesn't make sense for them to change it.
Haha yeah, it wouldn't make sense to change it once established, but unfortunately forgetting/changing their own lore is something Charmed is known to do a fair bit throughout the series.. 😥
@@weirdlybeloved yes changes to the Lore happen a lot. But in this case they didn't directly contradict the previous episode
@@maxlee8780 I'll agree to disagree ~
Also by using words properly. Spirit not soul. Spirit is the electrical life-force that exists within blood cells. Souls are the fate of our spirit once we pass away. So I don’t like people thinking that spirits and souls are interchangeable when they are not. I mean, yes, there can be spirits within the body and out of the body, but the soul generally relates to the afterlife of your spirit and the choices you make that shapes that afterlife.
Umm.. okay? The only time I've heard of them differentiated between before is when they're used in religious context, so I personally think it's fine to use them interchangeably here, but to each their own. :)
WHAT IF THE EVIL ENCHANTRESS ADDED HERSELF INTO THE HALLIWELL LINE AFTER BEING DEFEATED BY THE CHARMED ONES IT WAS THE ONLY WAY SHE COULD DGAIN POWERS BACK AND MY APOLOGIES FOR MY COMMENT ASKING TO DO THE COMICS I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS
You never know!! There's still so much to explore about the lore of the show! And thank you so much! 🥰
Oooo this is so goood
Thank you!
I can answer that theory as well what if one of the people within the line after Melinda Warren had a past life of the evil enchantress before Paige which makes sense because why does Prue, Piper, and Phoebe pass life seem more recent when they are older? Also, it could be a discrepancy because remember how the family tree shows that Phoebe B. Passed away a year after Prue was born. They are very terrible with the timeline. The creators are charmed, but I believe that they are all related, but I don’t believe that Melinda Warren made that entry and I believe that their magic is much older than Melinda Warren but they don’t know that Melinda’s mother did not have powers. Or did she? Remember, she was a part of coven and was abducted.🤔
Monday, June 23, 1930
In Seville in Spain, at least 150 people were injured in clashes between police and workers who staged a general strike. The Federal Power Commission was formed in the United States.
Uh.. I'm sorry, I didn't understand.. how does that relate to the video? 🤔
You were talking about it at the end
Me realising that you’re doing a grams deep dive
@@joefeen8419What does what happened in Spain have to do with Grams though? I know it's the same date, but.. I'm kinda lost. 🤔
It’s just my weird brain when I hear a date I look it up
Although I have always felt like the evil enchantress was a distant relative of theirs, possibly older than Melinda Warren, most likely with her being in the middle ages and Melinda Warren being during the Salem witch trials, but, Pearl got her powers of fire from her boyfriend Anton. Her power was deviation, just like Phoebe. Cruise of Cryokinesis fault under molecular manipulation. I think that they make their powers based on their emotions because remember when Piper was cold towards Leo and bride and gloom and froze him. He literally froze as if she had cryokinesis. Phoebe was possessed by the Woogie and had a power upgrade. She had materialization which would fall under molecular manipulation. I used to think about why that never made sense but it’s based on their personalities kind of like Piper is warm and neurotic in the beginning, which is why she slows molecules down to the point that they’re in mobilized, which is stronger than Patty because she can keep someone frozen for longer as well as Priscilla who slows down molecules to the slow motion. But also to think about Phoebe’s a Warren power but then I thought about be careful what you witch for. Phoebe ended up getting to keep the dragons power consequence, similar to how demons want to kill them and absorb their powers. So because the Dragon Demon was killed, and Phoebe wished for flight, which was stolen from that demon she got to keep it consequence free, but it had to revert for her to grow into flight which became levitation. Remember, they are all just forms of molecular manipulation. I just think that those are just different expressions of molecular manipulation based upon their personalities. Trust me I’ve done deep dives into plot holes that makes no sense in for answers around a lot of them.
wait, wasn't the potion anton gave russel only to tripple her power?
She is older then Melinda way older
She is the oldest witch shown in the show
@@brunoserafimovski1903 You're right! Anton says it's "a potion to triple your power, in case your cousins are ready for us. It's the only way for us to succeed. You do want that, don't you?"
*Divination, not deviation, and Anton himself says that the potion he gave Russell tripled her power, not gave her the fire power to begin with. Also, you keep bringing up the molecular manipulation thing in various comments.. not all of us agree with that and it was not established in the show at all, so I think it's fine if we just stick with the ACTUAL Warren prophecy, that says the powers are to move objects with your mind, see the future, and stop time.
I wish we would have found out the other family members like Laura and grace Helena Astrid etc
I don’t think she is related to the warrens at all I think p Bowen and p Russell are related to her as they both have elemental powers
P Bowen and P Russell are both from the Warren line though.. 🤔
That’s a misconception the warm powers has nothing to do with the manipulation of time. Piper, Patty, and Priscilla all have the ability to manipulate molecules. Has the ability to slow them down to the point that they stop moving. Remember Nicolas said that he must’ve been frozen because he only heard three times out of 12? That means that she does not control time but the movement of molecules. With molecular combustion that means the molecules are moving so fast to the explode similar to Morality Bites Pru had advanced telekinesis to the point that she can move objects to the point that they speed up and combust. Personally, I think that that power was more potent than Pipers molecular combustion because Piper just explodes objects and entities while Prue exploded in entire attic.
Most of the fandom doesn't like time freezing being explained by stopping the movement of molecules because that doesn't make sense and it's a magic show so I can bend my believes but I shouldn't have to, no-one asked for an explanation of how time freezing works so if they're gonna come up with one, it should be a good one, not one that took 2 seconds to come up with
@@brunoserafimovski1903 Exactly. It was never established in the show and it's literally in the Warren prophecy that their powers include stopping time (Phoebe says in the pilot that the incantation spoke of "three essentials of magic; timing, feeling, and the phases of the moon" and Melinda could "move objects with her mind, see the future and stop time.")
So this whole molecule manipulation thing feels like something people came up with to justify the exploding power the writers randomly gave Piper in season 3, and now try to force it onto the rest of the fandom,🙄
@@brunoserafimovski1903 but you didn’t listen to what I said because generally that’s how it works. She does not manipulate time because like I said with the necklace incident, as well as all the times that she froze one thing at a time like in the beginning, so there was no freezing of time necessarily just the immobilization of molecules.
@@JT-mb1te yeah, and the problem with that is that that would lead to creation of ice(frozen water molecules). Now like I said, I can bend my beliefs and ignore that but I shouldn't have to because no-one asked for that explanation nor does it add anything to the show other than the need to bend one's beliefs
You’re incorrect about Gramps she has two powers the power to move objects, and the power to freeze you remember that time that she unfroze Andy in season 1 that 70’s show??? And to remind everyone, she’s the only one who has two powers in the family line to possessed
*Grams, and no, that wasn't the power to freeze. It's described as some sort of power negation, as she also wiped Andy's memory at the same time.
She wiped his memory and used her telekinetic abilities to unfreeze him or he unfroze
I am cool with a reboot surrounding the three cousins but where is that reboot on Melinda Warren? Why can’t we have a spin off with pink playing Melinda Warren going against the supreme Scathathage play by P!nk? They were both going for the supreme role. But we can end the series with her being burned at the stake then we can pass the torch on to her daughter prudence. I heard she might’ve had two daughters family tree or prudence might’ve had two daughters based on the family tree. We also have the book whispers from the past that talks about prudence daughter, Cassandra, Warren-Wentworth. The Tron property has so much expansion in law that there is enough information to build legacies and more media. I even heard of a theory thrown out of why don’t we just do a couple of seasons like a miniseries of each that way we have more content we can cover on charmed without giving us BS like they did with the reboot. But I also love the idea of the reboot because my wouldn’t be cool if Serena Fox who died in the first episode was the last living of her set of charmed ones being a relative, sister, triple of Sabrina Spellman and Katrina? Remember her comics dropped in the 60s.
Uh.. I'm lost.. 😅
@@weirdlybeloved what part are you lost about?
@@JT-mb1te It just felt like a lot of random stuff thrown together, making it kind of hard to follow.
Me 2 but I think he’s giving a theory
Yay I'm the first one watching ❤❤❤
Congrats! Thank you for watching! 🥰
yas we are the first two 🎉
@@weirdlybeloved of course I'm a huge charmed fan and I'm looking forward to future videos
@@weirdlybelovedthank you for explaining where Malinda's powers came from cause I was wondering that for some time now
@@MartinWhatley-b6r Right?! I really wish the show would have explored Melinda's backstory more, because there's definitely a lot of unanswered questions!
It's cool yo think they literally bound the Evil in her
It's an interesting theory, I think 🙂
clicked right away 💙
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@@weirdlybeloved love this theory
@@stunod05 Thank you!
@@weirdlybeloved I hope u have an amazing Friday :-)
@@stunod05 You too!
from the thing where u said *he saw paige as the enchantress so they do look the same* what if he only sees paige as the enchantress BECAUSE of leos theory that you notice people you've seen in a past life but since he is in his current life and sees 2 people with the same soul then they would look the same to him because he's use to the original one aka the evil enchantress eh eh eh ;)
I still don't think it makes sense, so I'll agree to disagree. 🙂
@@weirdlybeloved alrighty thats just my view on it if it was confusing I get it lol I suck at explaining things XD
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@@weirdlybeloved Hahaha Hey ho~ How're you doing?
@@spiegelhirsch3531 I'm good! Gonna go visit my friend next week, so I'm super excited to see him! How are you?
@@weirdlybeloved UUHHHH~~~~ nice!! Glad to hear that! I'm fine, things starting to calm down finally so I get to relax a bit more XD
@@spiegelhirsch3531 Congrats! I'm glad you're finally getting some measure of peace!
It's also possible that there was a reincarnation of the Evil Enchantress after Melinda, but before Paige who put it in the book.
Regarding Bowen's and Russell's powers, P. Russell also had the power of divination, a sort of foresight ability. P. Bowen's ice breath could be another form of slowing molecules down like the power to freeze. Russell's pyrokinesis may have been her second power. Througout the show, we've seen that additional powers can be a bit random. One could ask what fire has to do with foresight exactly the same as what levitation has to do with it.
Divination is an ability any witch could have p bowens power isn’t related to moleculars it’s just an elemental power
The charmed magic power are more then just time freeze and premonition 😂😂😂😂 the Warren witches are powerful because of all the other powers otherwise how do you explain Piper blowing up things😂😂😂
um, exactly with this theory. Blowing things up is an elemental(fire) power
@@brunoserafimovski1903that wouldn’t make sense because prue and phoebe didn’t get one
They are Warren witches, but they're also the Charmed Ones ~ the most powerful witches of all time! 🥰
@weirdlybeloved the Halliwel sister aren't the first charmed ones nor the last. Their ancestor on the stake had all the powers we know nd were passed down. It just matter of time or Prue would've had ice , water basically both as ice solid water.
@@user-go1px9kt1v You asked how I explained Piper being more powerful and I answered.