Charmed - Was Alyssa the Problem?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- Heya! I know I just kind of covered this topic last week, but I wasn't really happy with it, and I don't feel the other two videos I've done on this subject were really as in-depth as I would have liked - and such a complex relationship deserves - so I figured we'd do one more deep dive into the subject before moving on to happier things next week!
As always, thank you so much for watching and all relevant articles are listed below! There are a LOT of them, but I tried to organize them as much as possible!
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OMG you guys!! @gregoryd5150 let me know on Instagram that Holly and Alyssa are going at it on Insta! Figures that this would happen the day after I uploaded! 😂😂😂
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This TH-camr is very biased in favor of Shannen when the one who has a history of having a character for which the production of 90210 took her out is precisely Shannen. spot. Alyssa is someone who has even apologized publicly and I imagine even more so privately for her part of the conflict. Many relate what happened to Rose but that is something totally separate that has to do with the abuser Harvey. Alyssa maintained a friendship with his wife (who divorced him) and Rose took it as a sign that you were against me. They also point out at the wrong time the influence of her husband and her CAA, but he met her in 2018 right at the end of the series. The truth is that what Alyssa said at Megacon this year put an end to this debate and Shannen and Holly were portrayed as liars, although if you look at Holly Marie Combs' subsequent statement it was very ambiguous. This version of Alyssa is highly supported by producers, directors, the crew and the rest of the casting.
If you want to know things about Rose McGowan you should watch her interviews and what she says about Alyssa Milano she was feeling some shady things about her her and her husband so could she be CAA because her husband is CAA
When the news reporter question her about me too movements and she said what does she think about Alyssa Milano being part of the Mewtwo movement and she says so and she became very Petty towards her so there has to be a thing that went on between she did say that CAA was responsible for everything she said that Rose McGowan said that Alyssa milano's husband is CAA
Those are just rumors that she had spread so she spilled the teeth so I'm not sure if they are true or not 0:01
@@yusukeGum I saw that interview, but the real context is this. Rose is angry with Alyssa because she thought that being the main leader of the Metoo movement, she would support him unconditionally in the Harvey case, and she is a very good friend of his wife and did not break the friendship with her, since she got divorced and everything. the guy when the scandal arose. Rose assumed a betrayal for not breaking ties with that Harvey family and associated it with Alyssa's husband Dave Bugliari being a CAA agent. You have to understand that Alyssa is not going to leave a friendship because of a problem with this friend's husband. Since then, in a toxic way, Rose has continually attacked Alyssa before she even engaged in any comments against her. In the interview she calls him fake, this is why. but it is quite unfair and toxic. It's obvious that Rose is a disturbed person even before Charmed. She is involved in a mysterious death of her ex-boyfriend and everything. Alyssa is a noble and good person recognized by many people.
@@bitcoinbetter1709 you got that all mixed up.
Alyssa’s husband is the co-president of CAA and they sent many young actresses right into the lions den. Rose accuses them of being PIMPS for Weinstein and now they are trying to get good press… not to BE good but to LOOK good… so ironic that the wife of the CAA while they are trying
To save their necks and whitewash their involvement pretends to “start METOO” when it was started way before that by a black woman who was on the cover of time magazine for it. This is all verifiable.
Alyssa pretends to care about victims but her husband is directly involved in exploiting women and sending them straight to a known predator wit no warning or protection.
@@bitcoinbetter1709 Alyssa is friends with Harvey’s WIFE? And probably was friends with Harvey himself before they divorced… Rose is basically accusing her husbands agency of sending Harvey victims. So her being PERSONAL FRIENDS WITH HIS FAMILY absolutely does lend some more layers to this. It was a very open secret everyone knew how Harvey was (probably including his wife who divorced him because she had no more plausible deniability and it would be terrible optics to stay with him.)
It’s hard to think that Alyssa was this close to the family and had no idea… and not willing to distance herself… this is about money and power and trafficking in women’s bodies.
Rose thinks Alyssa is fake and a liar and feeding the lion with one hand in secret while openly denouncing it in public.
Of COURSE people are gonna say Rose is crazy. That’s what happens when women speak out against powerful men who abuse women…
I met Shannon summer before last when she moved to TN. She turned in her UHaul where I worked, & I checked her in bc I’ve been a fan for years. I’m so glad that I did. She was so sweet. She made a point to get out of the truck that she was leaving in just to speak with me because she realized I was a fan, and she was so sweet and kind that it really touched my heart. It was one of those experiences that you always want to have as a fan. She was so gracious and kind.
Aww, that's so sweet! I'm so glad you got to meet her! They say you should never meet your heroes, but Shannen seems like she's always been really good and kind to her fans, so I think it would be wonderful to meet her! 🥰
@@weirdlybeloved She was so gracious that next time I meet a celebrity I’ll be more comfortable approaching them because my interaction with her was so nice.
Coincidentally I also met Jason Hervey (Wayne, The Wonder Years) when he was getting a Uhaul to take his daughter up to college. He was a really cheerful, nice guy as well.
Brad Kern is the biggest problem. He ruined Charmed and sexually harassed multiple actresses and producers. He also stole the show from Constance Burge.
@@Ana0707 He really is. If anyone should have been fired, it was him.
Multiple producers have spoken up about the toxic and sexist environment in the Charmed writing room and set. Brad Kern, who has faced allegations of misconduct and sexual harassment from multiple women, removed Constance Burge from her own creation. He intended to eliminate Shannen and Constance, and he succeeded. Brad steered Charmed in a different direction, disregarding Constance's desires. Additionally, he mocked Alyssa when she gained weight due to an illness. He and his associates consistently dressed Alyssa and Rose in revealing outfits and attempted to pressure Holly into wearing a push-up bra.
It's interesting how some of Alyssa's female co-stars have been quick to blame her for issues on the show, while completely overlooking the negative impact Brad Kern had.
Yeah, well Brad Kern got what was coming after he fuckin' succeeded to fuckin' eliminate Shannen and Constance!😠😤🤬And they may not be all. Fate may have more in store for him. And after he did all that, I have no respect for him! YOU DESERVE NO HAND SHAKE FROM ME, BRAD KERN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is why he gets no hand shake from me, because of him accomplishing all that garbage, forget it!!!!!!!!!!! And he got rewarded by getting terminated working on NCIS New Orleans!!!!!! YOU ASKED FOR IT, BRAD KERN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🤬😠😤
It was a very big thing to pit female stars against each other because nobody wanted them talking, comparing notes and especially doing things like the Friends crew did by demanding equal pay.
For real. Brad Kern is such a disgusting pig, he should have been the one who got booted off the show. I'll never understand why he wasn't.
That's a completely separate thing. Both Brad and Alyssa could have been awful. It's not either or. And I'm assuming that they saw and worked with Alyssa a lot more than they did Brad.
Let's talk about the real problem - Brad Kern. Constance Burge wanted the show to be about sisterhood and women's empowerment. When she left, the show never felt the same. Brad Kern made it all about Piper's sons, random love interests, and skimpy outfits. Constance left because she became frustrated with the direction the storylines were going and because of disagreements with Brad Kern. I believe if Constance had stayed, things would have been different.
When she left, the heart of the show went with her, more or less.
@@Elora445 Exactly.
And that’s why he won’t ever get a hand shake from me!😤😠🤬
Makes sense that Brad Kern didn't know how to write a show with heart, since he doesn't seem to have one himself! 😂
As an aside we can’t forget how the entertainment industry treated women at this moment in pop culture, and literally pitted women against each other.
Oh, for sure! @WordsoftheWitches made a great point about that in their podcast! Britney and Christina were pit against each other, Lindsay and Hilary, Jennifer and Angelina.. (although that one was understandable) the industry just doesn't seem to like the idea of two or more females just doing their thing and succeeding, they NEED to tear it down. And unfortunately, they do a very good job of it. 😔
One thing I have to say in defense of Alyssa Milano: People always bring up the argument "the other 3 get long very well so Alyssa must be the problem". There are thousands of cases were single people get bullied by a larger group without any legit reason. It's not that uncommon that people gang up on one person even for dumb or wrong reasons. Not saying that this makes Alyssa innocent but it's not something to built an entire case on.
EXACTLY! I grew up around a very toxic group of people, and their go-to move whenever they couldn't control someone anymore was to manipulate everyone else against them and try to ruin their lives, so it makes me VERY hesitant to buy the "Alyssa is the problem because the other three say so" idea.
Especially since Rose and Holly can get quite nasty when they don't get their own way.. definitely makes it hard to believe they're the nice ones and Alyssa is just this mean old bully.
True but that is only one really small piece of evidence
@@ultravioletpisces3666 I did several other videos that compile a lot more evidence, though. Alyssa definitely wasn't the only one at fault.
Alyssa definitely was not the bigger problem, the network never took accountability for their involvement in the feud and mostly for the work environment.But in my opinion if she had the power to threaten the network, she could have use her avantage to help herself gain what she wanted and also get her co-star better work environment but she force the network to throw shannen under the buss by selfishness and jealousy. Like Holly said recently she had the power stop the mess but didn’t because of greed, she definitely the reason for accentuating the toxic work environment and that’s why the girls point fingers at her even though most of the problems are due to the men part of the network. I think they were disappointed by her actions because instead of being on their side since they faced the same struggle, she decided to sacrifice them for her own confort.
True. I definitely don't believe Alyssa's story that she had nothing whatsoever to do with Shannen's firing, but I also can't say that I necessarily believe Holly's versions of events, either. She's becoming quite bitter and mean, in my opinion. :(
You've done so much research into the background stuff of charmed I appreciate your work
Thank you!! I really try to do as much research as possible! 🥰
Unrivaled!
Posting receipt for everything. I pause the video to read it all.
She truly did an amazing job and that's why the videos feel so fair and balanced
@@TCt83067695 Aww, thank you so much!! That really means a lot! 🤗
@@weirdlybeloved no thank YOU. Seriously, you have no idea how much I look forward to your videos 🙏🏾😊
a reaction i struggle to make make sense in the whole situation is Shannen's when she was asked in a more recent comic con on her opinion on prue's passing and the on being more specific as to why it happened and she basically (as far as i understood) said that the reason why prue passed away was because it was the appropriate ending of her character and she moved on knowing it was just the right direction to take the character towards. She does indeed come across as the type to put the well being of the show above anything else
WHAT?! Do you remember which con that was?! I would love to find that clip, because Shannen and Holly both sat on the podcast talking about how bad Prue's ending was and that it should have been far better than it was!
@@weirdlybeloved I think I'm poorly referencing a conference you put in you Shannen Doherty video ^^'the one where she says she used to easily get bored with roles and wanted to move on as early as the beginning of season 3, it goes to show that even when meaning well you cannot trust people's memory of an incident, they will always fill up the blanks with what's they already believe to be true, lol
Yes, she was basically allowed to control the narrative on why she left Charmed. She didn't want it to be made public that she got fired so a lot of what she told fans wasn't the truth. I'm not going to fault her for that though, I get it, she did what she had to for her career considering how cut throat the industry can be, especially towards women, and moreso women saddled with a "reputation" true or not. Fans kept asking questions because things weren't making sense to them, especially concerning Prue's death. It never looked planned out . Basically, she just confirmed that was the case and explained had Prue's death been planned, it would have been done way better than what we got.
I followed a lot of this back then and at least to me, it was kind of obvious SD didn't really leave voluntarily. So the admission didn't really surprise me. It even came out years ago that she was on set that summer of 2001, after s3 was finished airing, filming Another Day with Julian McMahon, when she got the phone call telling her not to come back.
At this point Alyssa does seem to be the proverbial common denominator.
What does "proverbial common denominator" means? Sorry English is not my first language and it's the first time when I hear this therm.
@@bifa5414everything leads back to her.
@@bifa5414 Usually when there seem to be problems, you look for what the most common thing would be to cause them. Which would be the common denominator. When something becomes a trope then you can throw proverbial before it.
@@Emrys91it can also be argued Shannon is because of her getting fired from 90210 too
That happening twice leads me to believe Shannon might have been a problem in both situations
@@rogerpalsgrove9678 Thank you for explanation :)
I love when Rose said she would direct Holly Shannen and the other one, it really looks like sister banter between Holly and Rose
I couldn't help but laugh at that, especially with the face she made afterwards lol
@@weirdlybeloved exactly! Haha
Without Alyssa to hate on as a common denominator they'll turn on each other. Ik it wouldn't even get off the ground they are all to much a like
This situation is tough and I try to control my bias because Prue is my favorite character but with all these stories coming out, I'm just starting to think Alyssa was more of the problem, especially with how much she flip flops on things. And I feel that shannen being "hard to work with" probably had more to do with Brad Kern and those on his side who wanted the show to be a certain way while she was siding with Constance Burge and I totally side more with Shannen and Constance because the show went downhill once the focus wasn't about witchcraft and sisterhood and more about dates (lots and lots of dates! quoting Allison Pregler "Charmed Rewind" Podcast lol).
And after reading some comments, I can understand if Alyssa was annoyed at how the show did seem to center more around Prue in the beginning because as much as I love Prue, there's no denying that she took up most of the focus and it should've been more equal. And so for that, I can understand Alyssa being frustrated there but just seeing what they did with the character with her constant complaining about dating and her "Love advice" column with such nauseating ego, I'd take the Prue focus in a heartbeat because at least they did all kinds of things for her that didn't revolve around dating.
Totally agree
Agree. I mean we got to see what happened once the focus was on Phoebe more and all she ever did was bitch about either her love life or job. Prue struggled in both these areas too but I don't remember a single time she threw a fit over not being able to work or go out because of a demon. She just always dealt with the more serious problem first, or simultaneously with her job and always worried about her love life last.
@@PittsburghSportsFan35 100%, well said.
@@KaiDecadence Thank you 🙂
I like all the seasons & I personally didn't mind the dating stuff minus the cole shit lol, but I do wish they all could have compromised together & had balance not one extreme or the other
Shannen and Alyssa have a long history of problematic behavior. I think they're good people, but they're not easy to work with. None of us is perfect, let's not judge Alyssa too harshly. I love all the Charmed sisters.
After watching Alyssa's real-life behaviors and social media tweets, I wouldn't say she is a 'good' person.
We have 3 women, Rose, Shannen, and Holly, who are all saying the same thing. If it walks like a duck…
@@user-us5pv8zw3z True. But there are others who worked on the show (Krista Vernoff, crew members, etc) that are saying the exact opposite, and even Rose and Holly both claimed they had no issues with Alyssa until recent years (Holly was literally bffs with her up until about a year and a half ago) so really.. who knows?
Alyssa could've just said sorry, but she continually chooses to gaslight
It's a sad situation all around. It's too bad they never ended up mending fences.. I would have loved to see the four of them get together. 😢
@@weirdlybeloved me too, this feud robbed us
Im glad rose and shannon are on good terms i was shocked to learn that some people thought there was beef between them when its clear there never was
I remember all of this happening at the time, but y'all, Shannen was working on her second chance with Aaron Spelling. It's a lot like Roseanne, it definitely was reported at that time that Shannen was a big diva and bad vibe on the set, and she had a bad habit of holding up production when she was mad about any little thing.
Let's never forget: Alyssa, Rose, and Holly *ALL* stood to gain from Shannen's firing. The fact that the other two are willing to let Alyssa take all the blame for pushing for a result that the _entire rest of the crew and the producer _*_already_*_ wanted,_ should be a big red flag for everyone.
Shannen was not an innocent victim. If her on-set behavior were not problematic, she would have remained Aaron Spelling's prodigal golden child, and not the entitled diva who got a second chance and pulled the same stuff that got her fired from 90210.
Nobody's hands were clean. #TeamNoneOfThem
Exactly! I think the thing that's really making Shannen, Holly, and Rose mad is that they want Alyssa to take their share of the blame as well as hers, and she (rightfully) refuses.
@@weirdlybeloved One of the producers on the show posted a reply to Alyssa's IG and said, "There was a lot of bullying on the set, but you were NOT one of the bullies." So that's coming from someone who was on the set, working every day, and I tend to believe crew.
We also can't forget that Shannen pleaded no contest to a DUI and had to go to court for it, which was all over TMZ. It was a _very bad_ look for the show, which had a huge teenage audience.
At that point, Aaron Spelling and Brad Kern were faced with the choice to kill the show entirely, or kill off the character and go in a different direction. They made the right choice. Everybody else got to keep their jobs, a new actress was cast, and the show continued for another five (?) seasons.
It's funny how Shannen never mentions that very public, very ugly DUI when says that she needs to tell "her truth" and be "authentic" about what happened leading up to Spelling's and Kern's decision to fire her.
I guess if she were really authentic about taking ownership of that DUI, though, she wouldn't get as much sympathy as she's getting now. It would be a shame not to spend her last days on earth getting other people to drag her former co-worker on her behalf. A "witch" always needs her flying monkeys, right?
“Shannon has a reputation of holding up production when she was mad about any little thing,”
Kathryn Hygle got the same rap. Any woman who tries to stand up for herself and or others or even cares about the product they are making get painted as “difficult diva,” because producers don’t want them to have a voice…
Men hold up production, prank each other and waste so much time on set, are demanding, are difficult- especially when they insist on “method acting” etc… and they rarely get called divas or “difficult” let alone fired.
It’s a HUGE thing in show business- women complaining about being mistreated, or even trying to take their craft seriously get labeled as trouble makers. Men are generally allowed to do these things and be taken seriously. Women are dismissed when they want their characters to be more than a walking set of boobs.
Actually Alyssa was quietly building a case… going to the on set therapist and making a record or “feeling uncomfortable,” and she told the producers she would sue them for hostile workplace if they didn’t fire Shannon. She got all her ducks in a row before making her move. It’s called office politics.
Shannon and Holly were probably “difficult” because they wanted the show to take itself seriously and they would bring suggestions from the movie practical magic cuz they wanted the show to be more like that. Perfectly reasonable… except that the male production team probably didn’t appreciate any input (“stay in your lane, you’re just an actress, say your line and shake your tits)- that’s real stuff in show business.
But since Alyssa wanted Shannon off, she was the one labeled “difficult.” Since she’d been labeled that before (and not necessarily fairly… again, women who try to stand up for themselves or even their characters are often labeled difficult and said to be holding up production cuz the “big boys” don’t want no input or lip from an “actress.”)
@@ultravioletpisces3666 That's straight regurgitation of Shannen's version, and it counteracts what Holly has said in the past but is miraculously saying now. That you, Shannen? Shannen was upset because she thought she should be paid more than the other actresses, and deserved more of a lead role. Quit making excuses for unprofessional behavior. The entire crew backs Alyssa to this day, and they comment in her Instagram backing her up. Everybody hated Shannen. She was nasty and diva-like and brought a black cloud of misery with her everywhere she went. She blew a second chance after Spelling fired her for the same behavior from 90210, and 30 years later, she still has nothing to show for her career, any more than Holly does. White-knighting for a narcissist who can't take responsibility for her own behavior, which created a hostile work environment for her co-workers, doesn't make you a more virtuous person. It just means you're ready to be manipulated.
I was always a hardcore Charmed fan. After season 4 I just lost interest in the show. I do think every single person played a role in the show's downfall.Also, Brad Kern definitely changed the direction of the show and just make characters without depth. It is really sad because it could have been awesome even after the season 4.
Same here! Charmed pretty much became a parody of itself after season 4, and while we'll always love the show, knowing Brad Kern's ego became the driving force behind the plot is a bitter pill to swallow.. 😓
My opinion is that both of them are at fault for the fallout. They were too immature in the past and eventually their anger boiled over. The production team weighed their options and picked one to kick to the curb.
Completely agree!
I don’t really know what to think or make of all this stupid drama, but I really think it says A LOT that none of Alyssa’s co-stars will do Charmed panels with her at conventions. Even cast members like Rose and Drew who actually worked with her are doing Charmed panels with Shannen and not her. Idk but I think that says a lot!
@@charlieedwards4331 Good point! Come to think of it, has anyone else from the cast gone to cons with Alyssa besides Julian McMahon? 🤔
Brad Kern is the biggest villain of Charmed. He cunningly seized the show from Constance Burge, completely disregarding her original vision and steering the show in an entirely different direction. He displayed a deplorable attitude towards the female producers of Charmed and other shows he was involved in. While it is true that Alyssa may possess some diva-like qualities, I find it difficult to fully embrace the prevailing narrative that solely blames her. It seems implausible that Alyssa was the sole source of trouble.
Holly and Shannen had a close relationship even before their time on Charmed. Shannen's recommendation played a significant role in Holly's getting hired. Throughout the years, Holly has remained loyal to Shannen. Interestingly, Rose once mentioned that she wasn't friends with Alyssa and Holly during the show's runtime. Now Shannen, Holly, and Rose have become BFFs and attend conventions together. Hmmm, ok. It makes me wonder what Charmed could have been if Constance Burge had stayed. The storylines would have been much better, and the work environment would have been less toxic.
Oh, definitely agreed! Even in the earlier Charmed specials (like The Women of Charmed) you can see just how much Brad is stroking his own ego. Even when the show was celebrating its 100th and 150th episodes, HE'S the one giving a speech and acting like he's responsible for the show's success, and it was disgusting to watch. Out of everyone on Charmed, he is the one who should have been fired.
And I agree! I made a video on all four of the actresses to give everyone a fair shake, but personally, I think Alyssa comes off as the most believable. The majority of people try to argue that since Rose, Holly, and Shannen all claim to have had issues with Alyssa and are standing together against her, it must mean they're the ones telling the truth.
But it feels like those same people ignore all the inconsistencies in their stories and the way Holly seems to play both ends against the middle, and it's like.. even Krista Vernoff (who worked on Charmed) said that there were definitely bullies on set but Alyssa wasn't one of them, so there's no way the three of them are being 100% honest.
Nah I thought he was at first until I realized the biggest culprit was Alyssa......
It's tough to take sides, but I find myself leaning towards Team Milano on this one. She did the right thing by addressing concerns about a co-worker, engaging in mediation, unlike some other actresses who might have considered themselves above it. The fact that Doherty got fired speaks volumes about the severity of the situation. Now, seeing Milano being bullied by three former co-stars over something that happened more than 20 years ago is disheartening.
I've delved deep into this whole saga in my latest video. It includes all available information, confessions from former cast members, insights from people who worked with Milano, Doherty, Combs, and McGowan, all neatly laid out with a timeline. It's sad to witness how they're potentially tarnishing the show's legacy. I hope you'll give it a watch and find it informative!
Agreed! Especially with the way the other three are refusing to talk things out with Alyssa, the same way they refused to talk with the mediator. It's like the situation is playing itself out again in real time, only now it's on display for the world to see and it's not as easy to disguise their bully behavior. It's sad.
I don’t think we can blame all the drama on one person, it seems Shannen and Alyssa both played a part in it (with Holly possibly feeding the fuel) and we'll never know to what extent. That being said, I have a hard time stomaching Alyssa’s moral high ground as of now. It reads more as a deflecting tactic than a genuine call for peace, especially when she uses the fans’ love for the show as a way to shush people. Obviously, we fans want to preserve the legacy of the show, but it’s not a reason to silence people’s negative experiences. Alyssa created the metoo movement, you’d think she’d understand people’s need to speak up.
Shannen’s career took a hit because of the feud (not to mention her tarnished reputation) and she’s probably at a point where she’s looking back on her life and reflecting on her experiences. She’d have more reason to be bitter and hold grudges than Alyssa does. In that regard, the way Alyssa says it’s been x amount of tv shows ago for her seems incredibly condescending and not sorry at all.
That’s what bullies always say “get over it, I did.”
Also, Alyssa didn’t actually start/create
#MeToo it was a black woman who was on the cover or time magazine as one on the Wistlebowers named as woman of the year… also Alyssa’s husband is co-president of one of the big Hollywood talent agencies that sent a lot of actresses blindly into the office of HarveyWeinstein. Rose says they are pimps and they are using me too as a cover to improve their publicity. Rose is also one of the first who spoke out against Harvey, and she’s often painted as a nut job… (ironic that’s the best way to get people to not listen to a woman) Yet somehow Alyssa is the one who gets the credit for setting everything in motion…
Rose says that Alyssa is a “liar” and fake… and I mean.. when you look it really looks like that. And I was not quick to assume rose was telling the truth, cuz it did sound crazy and like a “conspiracy theory,” but everything she says seems to check out and Alyssa’s responses come across as insincere (“she’s a liar”) and defective (which is what abusive people and guilty people do)
Agreed! They definitely all played a role in what happened, and as you said, we'll never know the full truth of the matter. Which is too bad, because after all this public finger pointing, it would kind of be nice to settle once and for all who was telling the truth. But it will never happen, unfortunately.
And yeah, imo Alyssa's become a lot harder to stomach since she got into politics/activism, and it feels like that sort of echo chamber is doing her no favors. I mean, to be fair the same can probably be said of Rose, but.. Idk, I feel like they go about it different ways. I feel like Rose is too aggressive at times and Alyssa is way too saccharine, and it makes it very hard to listen to the message that they're actually trying to convey.
And as another comment pointed out, Alyssa didn't start the MeToo movement nor did she claim to ~ she "popularized" it, according to the talk show that both she and Tarana Burke (the MeToo creator) appeared on together.
I do kind of see where Alyssa's coming from when she says that it's been so long she can't believe everyone's still talking about it, though. Like.. it could definitely be a manipulative tactic on her end, but I've also known people who NEVER seem to let stuff go, so if she's coming from that perspective then I can definitely understand what she's trying to say.. there are people out there who will weaponize every mistake you've ever made and NEVER let it go no matter how much you apologize or change, and it's exhausting to deal with.
That's not to say that's what's happening here, since we obviously don't know, I'm just saying in general.
Alyssa’s “apology” are so vague it’s hard to take what she’s saying seriously.
Fair point!
That's my issue with it. It's great if she's acknowledging her part but it's so vague, people are left to interpret what she's actually sorry for. I think it would have served her better to specify what exactly she knows she did and what she felt in competition over. Clear the air. As it stands right now, it's a surface based apology that garners just enough sympathy for people to say she's taking accountability but also disguises what it was she actually did so she can still come across blameless. Can't help but wonder if that's intentional and perhaps a PR move as opposed to being sincere.
@@heathergraham2581 Same here! I feel like her statement was more direct than Shannen and Holly's, but it's still suuuuper vague! It definitely feels like a surface-level apology, and a way to "take accountability" without actually admitting to what she did.
It is 100% percent Alyssa’s fault.
She wanted to be the Star of Charmed.
She got jealous of Holly doing Mistresses so she did the show years later to complete.
she took the credit away from Rose for the metoo movement.
And now she’s asking the public for money for her sons trip….
I don't think that she wanted to be "the star of the show", if anything she wanted them to be at least equal. Just the thing with group photos says it. But look also how may episodes were centered around Prue and how many around Phoebe or Piper? Of course Prue has way more of them. Or look how many times Phoebe or Piper "saved the day" and how many Prue? Again, there is WAY more with Prue, it only changed after Shannen left but it was Piper who became "super witch" not Phoebe. I don't know if that was up to Shannen or to the writers but the point is that they were never equal as long as Shannen was on the show. From s4 with Rose everything became more diverse
@@bifa5414 That's how I felt about it, too! I loved the Prue years on Charmed, but I really couldn't stand how much of it was centered around her. Heck, they even managed to make PIPER'S WEDDING all about Prue! I hated that so much.
I'm with you - the show was so much more balanced after she left, and I feel like each sister got her chance to shine.
@@bifa5414 Nooo the show centred around Phoebe and all the men she slept with since season 3, she was billed first for 5 seasons more than Shannen and as for the photos yes Alyssa Holly and Rose took turns in the centre of photos but they only used the ones with Alyssa.
@@tessax season 3 was the shift because they gave Alyssa a bit plot line with Cole so she had a bigger role
She was only billed first after Shannon left as well
And Holly had the same billing e.g... the and Holly Marie Combs and Piper is actually as big as Alyssa credit
In the credits
Alyssa was the bigger star outside of Shannon so it made sense
I feel the girls need to go to brunch and talk like adults and tell each other how they feel e.t.c... and not go back and forth every other year and have drama
They are too old for that
@@tessax I also feel it's clear that the producers might have pitted the girls against each other from what they both said using their existing tension
I love the Charmed sisters. The actresses, not so much. They all give me diva vibes.
Same here!
I'm not protecting anyone but why if Alyssa was truly the main problem didn't anyone else participate with the investigator assign to the set and document her bad behavior or try to work things out? They all chose to not get involved. Alyssa started in the business by landing a role on her first audition in traveling Broadway show then landing her breakthrough role on TV at 10 years old. No one ever complained about Aylssa before and up to Charmed nor after Charmed up to the current time on any other production. Just seems weird. What I will say is that everyone had a hand in it. I know that Shannen was the lead but it wasnt until Alyssa was hired and the pilot was reshot did Charmed get picked up.
Exactly. I made this video to be fair on everyone, but it really says a lot to me that the only one willing to participate with the company/mediator - AND the only one at present saying that she's willing to come to the table and talk things out if the others are - is Alyssa, and I think it says a LOT about what really went on behind the scenes. People like to say that since Holly, Shannen, and Rose all don't like Alyssa that it tells you all you need to know, but it could just as easily say the complete opposite.
Mean girls just love to have an odd man out; the one all of them get to bully and it seems to happen the most in a group of four! In Mean Girls, it kind of felt like the odd man out was Gretchen.. and I saw a Reddit story recently where three roommates claimed they weren't bullies as they bullied the fourth roommate just because they could.. and just yesterday my sister and I went to Starbucks where there were four girls working, and one of them was obviously new and was going a bit slower, which is fine.. but apparently the other three girls thought it was something to make fun of, because they stood behind her making faces and mocking her. My sister and I were really miffed off at them and made sure to tell the new girl thank you and that she did a great job, and then made sure to leave a note for the manager telling them what happened after we got home.
So yeah.. I completely agree that it's really weird that the only ones to say Alyssa is difficult to work with are her Charmed co-stars (someone said that Reese Witherspoon claimed Alyssa was difficult to work with, but I haven't seen any evidence of that as of yet), although I will say that (according to Holly and Shannen, anyway) Charmed actually did get picked up before Alyssa joined, because they found out that Lori wasn't coming to the TV Guide shoot for they did after the series got picked up. But I still think Alyssa is part of the reason the show went on to be as successful as it was.
@@weirdlybeloved - I just want to start by saying that I really am a fan of all four of the women that were on that show. When Rose came on I immediately took to her. I was really confused for a long time about what happened with Prue. I thought I missed an episode somehow and I'm like how's that possible. So I was perplexed for a very long time cuz I worked a lot hours at that time in New York City.The internet wasn't as it is now so easy to find out and be in the know. A few years later to my surprise one of my friends who was also a huge fan of Charmed and works for M&M Mars not that has anything to do with this gave me the complete series DVD collection which includes the outtakes the extras and the original pilot in the Book of Shadows. It looks exactly like the the Book of Shadows and it has the drawings and spells inside just like in the show. It is just a little smaller in both the width and the length. I went through seasons 3 and 4 DVDs looking for the episode that I thought I missed. Realizing that there was no episode. Eventually I got around to watching the original pilot. In case you don't know it's exactly like the first episode or the pilot they showed up on TV. They just re-shot all the scenes that involved Phoebe ( or Feable Phoebe or Freebie LOL). However, I believe Lori the original Phoebe, and yes the show was picked up before Alyssa got there, but I'm almost positive that in addition to Lori wanting to leave because of conflicts with her church there was a bigger issue with their chemistry. In the director's cut of the original pilot is where I remember they discussed this issue. I'm pretty sure I'm almost positive that they were going to fire Lori anyways and bring someone else in because Aaron saw it so did Darren and the network but I can be so wrong but I don't think so. The original pilot was boring it was flat so I think it's a combination of both the reasons. I mentioned Lori only because they (other leads) didn't mention the other issue that I brought up. It truly did get the final green light when Alyssa pulled personally by Aaron Spelling who actually gave her a job on MP because it was hard for her to transition over from child actor to adult actor and she wasn't getting much work at the time. However, on Melrose's Place her character wasn't really doing much of anything but he kept her there because he knew that he'd eventually find something for her to do. When it didn't work out with Lori he pulled her from MP and cast her specifically to be Phoebe. With Alyssa completing the trifecta the chemistry as you know comes through very bright it unmistakable and it's unnoticeable. That's when they got the final green light. Then when the pilot aired they got picked up for the whole season really quick. I couldn't agree with you more about the Mean Girls bullying and this a mob mentality that's going on right now where there's a total lack of empathy and humanity for others. Factor in the cancel culture that people are saying things without you checking them to be true with such disdain and a total disregard for who they're talking about or making careless assumptions like it doesn't matter like they aren't people with feelings. In one return you know we have weird Hollywood and many people suffering because of this environment. Then when it suits these bullies these trolls online that wouldn't say these things to anyone if they were face-to-face to them want to say that you know they lead pampered lives or you know they've lost touch with reality who the f*** are they to make these assumptions like if they know for a fact from firsthand knowledge or experience that what they speculate is the truth and what they write their opinion which is written not as an opinion but as fact which is read and believed of factual. Then before you know it you know everybody's up someone's ass ripping them apart. We need to stand together as a civilization of human beings before it's too late and we are running out of time! Not to get too morbid. I apologize that it's so long I'm tired so I rattled off and I have a proof proof read this so excuse any of my babbling typo I'll read it tomorrow that make any changes but I think you'll get the gist of it. It's nice to speak to someone who actually has common senses coupled with empathy and humanity for others.
Well the same thing with Shea Michelle on Glee, why they did not fired her after so many allegation against her? Because a lot of fans love the actress and the character, so that why, money money money, if they remove also Alyssa the tv series will be collapse and of course the producer did not want this, but lets talk about it charmed was good the first 3 seasons because I never like Paige as charachter
I don’t see her as being the “problem “ do I think she’s completely innocent? No but it seems one an only one has said I was a part of the problem and take my parts in it, the rest just said oh it’s only her .. I think they all were to blame and I think the production kept them at each other throat so they wouldn’t be a strong unit
I know, that's why I made three videos. Personally I think she's been the classiest about the whole thing. ☺️
The fact that you can't get a straight answer from Alyssa Milano makes me very suspicious about her. That's the kind of answers you get from people who would love to put a knife in your back. She's creepy to me. Never ever gotten the same impression from the others. Also, the role her mother seems to have in her life is just unhealthy.
True! None of them seem to be able to give a straight answer about anything, so it makes it very hard (for me) to trust any of them.
But yeah, Alyssa's mom seems WAY too involved in their business, and if I were her co-worker I'd make it clear to Alyssa that she either tells her mom to back off or I would do it for her. You shouldn't have to deal with someone else's overbearing parent at your place of employment.
@@weirdlybeloved
Yeah, her mother's place in her work is just... It never ends well. This, sadly, has all the hallmarks of an unhealthy relationship between Milano and her mother.
Rose also points out that she “stole” me to from the black woman who started it… and also her husband is the president of a major Hollywood talent agency, who Rose says pimped actresses out to Harvey Weinstein.
Some people arent able to articulate themselves in a way that drives a point home. Especially if they have a condition and that condition gets worse as they get older. When you watch most of Alyssa's interviews, you'll notice a stutter or two whenever she speaks as if she cant focus long enough. And plus she didnt go to regular school so that may have played a role in how she interacts with people.
@@ultravioletpisces3666 Tarana Burke didnt start the MeToo movement. She was just one of the first people to speak about assault lol It was Alyssa who started it.........
I didn't know about Alyssa and Greg Vaughn. But it doesn't surprise me. And I don't blame Holly one bit for not wanting to kiss Brian after he made out with Alyssa. I would have demanded he rinse with Listerine too.
Me too! And the fact that she also mentioned that he should shower before their scenes too makes me wonder if they were doing more than just kissing on set, which is absolutely disgusting imo. Nobody should have to deal with that at their place of work. 🤢
Rude
We must not forget the terrible media war that the Republicans have against Alyssa for her political support for the Democrats, and her positions as an activist, which have earned her many enemies due to her noble but always controversial causes.
Uh.. I don't really follow politics, but thank you for watching the video!
Alyssa isn't noble and the media is democrat.
@@LaraCroftEyes1Alyssa’s ass is sorry not sorry.
The media is Republican and has been for the last 80 years.
I remember back in those days it was written that Alyssa said she should be the Star of the Show because she was more famous than Shannon while she was a well known actress while she was on the show 'Wer ist hier der Boss'.
@@jaykay1223 Was there ever any confirmation that was true?
It seems they all were the problem at different points in time. I was also weirded out everytime Cole & Phoebe made out & it makes so much sense now😂
Same here!
Saaaame I was like what in 4th grade when I saw that and then learned about French kissing
Haven’t even watched the full video yet. But to answer your question, yes! Absolutely yes.
Update: I’ve now watched all three…and now I’m not so sure.
Think the producers where the biggest problem, maybe if someone else took control and made sure it stayed the way Shannon wanted it, family friendly maybe she would of stayed
She's definitely part of the problem.. I personally think Brad Kern was the biggest one, though. He helped push out Constance M Burge and is known to be a pretty nasty piece of work, particularly towards women. I'm sure it wasn't easy for any of them working under him. 🤢
Alyssa isn't completely innocent, but i think shes the most innocent out of the 4 of them. One of the true biggest victims of this whole thing is constance m burge, she got kicked off her own show & has had to watch peoples egos & drama drag her beloved show that she put her heart into through the mud.
Right?! Poor Constance.. she deserved so much better, and I really hope Shannen invites her onto the podcast to share her side of the story, if she can!
@@weirdlybeloved I hope so too, she kinda fell off the map after she left charmed completely in 2001, she hasn't had any interviews or anything since charmed began. I hope she's okay
Totally agree, the 3 of them ganging up on alyssa just comes off so unbelievably childish that I can't take any of them seriously
Alyssa says, she would hope in their 30's it wouldn't feel like high school. But she wasn't in her 30's when she worked with shannen
I think she was referring to their ages at the time of the interview, not when they starred on Charmed. 🙂
Alysa is deflecting
Since Shannen, Holly, and Rose are all standing up for Shannen and united in the truth now, it's time that Alyssa came clean. Such a shame that she was able to force Shannen out years ago but glad that the real story has finally come out.
That's the thing, though; their story changes the minute it's convenient, so which version are you referring to as the "real" one?
You mean united in “the truth” which is not necessarily THE truth. Alyssa has publicly accepted some responsibility for how things played out but why should she accept all the blame when any logical analysis can lead us to conclude they were all problematic in their own ways? Shannen is frequently passing the buck herself and minimizing her own contributions to the toxicity. It’s always someone else’s fault, even when she took a little bit of responsibility for her behavior and the outcome on 90210. I don’t buy it for a second.
Well, Julian McMahon, several producers, crew members from the show, and even guest stars are standing up for Alyssa... so... I don't know. What matters the most to me, even more than this so-called 'truth,' is that Alyssa has been very coherent over the years telling her story, and she's always been respectful. Even now, when she could be really upset, she never calls the others liars or anything of the sort. On the other hand, Holly, Shannen, and Rose have numerous inconsistencies in their stories and have been aggressive, calling Alyssa a liar, narcissistic, referring to her as 'the other one,' a loser, and so on. So, if you ask me, at least Alyssa has integrity and did her best to keep harmony for us fans. The rest just brought all this drama and destroyed the fandom, making us pick sides
Seeems like this all could’ve been avoided if they had just agreed to meet with the mediator…
15:55 when you’re filming 24-22 episodes a year dating ppl you work with just makes sense. And the fact that holly is that grossed out by them dating Alyssa is offensive
Can't believe she had no say in what her character's wardrobe considering she was executive producer and had a say scripts et
Right?! And in one of the pictures of her and Holly (the one where she's wearing a white outfit) that was TOTALLY a Phoebe outfit, I would swear I saw her wear something just like that in the show!
Think cause of all the criticism she must have got for the stuff especially her Cinderella outfit so has to blame someone else her outfits always low cut or showed off her midriff @@weirdlybeloved
True. And Holly was able to avoid these costumes and kept Piper modest.
I don't believe Alyssa had no say in the costumes, and never have. Especially after she became an EP. Holly didn't dress like that and I think they pretty much forced Rose to.
Thanks much for your thorough research and documentation on this video. I've watched Holly and now Alyssa, yet to watch Shannen. I agree with your points: 1) her "apology" was pretty pathetic. She danced around absolutely nothing. You either address it or you don't, both are her rights, but to address it without addressing is pretty cowardice to me; 2) she does play an innocent act rather well. I've learned from years of experience that anyone playing an innocent act is most often than not is lying; 3) I love that you covered her kissing Julian/Cole. I thought it was just me, and I get that it was meant to be passionate, but there is a line between passionate and gross and Alyssa crossed it (I didn't know it was due to tension between Alyssa and Shannen and Shannen dating Julian (now, that's just high school material and she kept saying how high school like Shannen and Holly were, so that's ironic)); 4) her mom is a tool, didn't know any of that, that's interesting.
Thanks for your fair discussion of all three ladies. They were all equal partners in creating an unwelcoming atmosphere on set.
Thank you so much!! And right?! Most people I've seen that always point the finger at others when there's trouble are 9 times out of 10 the ACTUAL problem. And then they give a vague apology but don't actually admit what they did wrong.. probably because they don't believe they did. 🙄
@@weirdlybeloved I'd love to see a documented apology. She said in that panel that she apologized many times through the years, but based on some of the interviews I listened to of her, I don't recall an actual apology. It was more like "I could...... I wasn't secure enough..... I carry some guilt around my part", but not an actual apology. Dancing around your wrongdoing does not constitute an apology. Sorry Alyssa. And what is she sorry not sorry about? I didn't read her book nor do I plan to, but that is very telling of her general attitude. I'm not surprised Shannen didn't forgive her. I'm surprised though at how a bunch of adult women can't take any responsibility.
@@OllieSmiless I'm trying to get through her book but turns out it's pretty much all about politics and activism and so it's been really hard for me to get into. 😮💨
@@weirdlybeloved thanks for letting me know. Now I'm not even interested in the book. I had some curiosity around it if she had reflected on her life much and where that landed, but I'm most certainly not interested in her political stance.
when i was in a toxic environment dealing with a narcissist, i was a bitch too. no one is immune to that. you live in trauma, you are dealing with so much, you aren't healthy, you do what you can to get through the day. doesn't mean all girls were a problem. just meant there was a serious problem there.
I grew up in a toxic environment as well, so I'm well-aware that no one is immune to the effects of that. But just because there are other factors involved it doesn't mean that that person's behavior is not problematic, too. Nor does it justify it.
As they say, the only person you can change is yourself.
I think everyone is at fault except for Constance M. Burge.
Yuss! I hope we get more Charmed content in the future with her back at the helm again! That would be awesome!
I was on Shannen's side until your video raised good points, I think everyone involved is messy....however THANK YOU for the clarity regarding the way Cole and Phoebe were making out...omg....that was so messy!
Right?! Those makeout scenes were 🤢🤮
Shannon was an easy target because of all the bad press she experienced when she was fired from BH 90210. I have always been a fan of Shannon and use to like Alyssa until I heard her talking during last several years
Right? They're all so different now, Alyssa and Rose in particular.. I miss the times when they were these awesome girls that it was easy to relate to. 😢
@@weirdlybeloved I hate when celebrities get political... they need to stay in their lane.
@@liblossomdisagree! If you have an audience you need to amplify your voice and be a shining light to people that have the same beliefs. Id rather have someone that believes in something and be a positive force than not at all. I love that Alyssa supports LGBTQ causes and is against genocide.
Funny how Alyssa left Mistresses after 2 seasons claiming that she didn’t want to shoot in Vancouver. But pretty sure now they switched the location just to get rid of her. Lol. They never asked her back when the show returned to L.A. the next year.
Ooh, I didn't even think of that! Nice catch!
Alyssa had a baby and didn’t want to uproot her family to Canada. Nice try but no one other than the 3 ugly stepsisters have anything bad to say about Alyssa. She’s been in the business longer than Shannen and never an issue other than Charmed. Other folks who worked on the Charmed set have defended Alyssa publicly. Funny how no one other than Holly and Rose are supporting their claims about Alyssa. Shannen, Rose and Holly are disgusting bullies.
Rose and Holly are not bullies.
@@LaraCroftEyes1OP didn't say they were.
I was replying to Jevonk.
I really believe Alyssa was the main problem HOWEVER I don't think shannen was easy either. I do believe, however, they should sit down and talk it out with each other. Shannen has stage 4. It's time for them to sit down and say sorry to each other, especially Alyssa. Who's probably a nice person but under the stress and pressure over reacted and destroyed shannens carreer without really understanding what she did.
Definitely ~ sit down together, talk it out, then let it go! Stop using your audiences as a weapon against each other!
Watching the previous videos about each one of the actresses. I can proudly say that they were ALL problematic, no one is better that the others 😂😂
Exactly! And thank you so much for taking the time to watch all of the videos! 🥰
Well, at least Alyssa has addressed her part in the conflict more than once. Even now, with this 'whatever part I played,' she is taking some responsibility, and she has apologized in the past. Then, she went on Instagram and, in her post, she wished Holly, Shannen, and Rose light and peace. She is always respectful. You can't say the same about Rose, who is always full of hatred and violence whenever she speaks. Regarding Shannen, she never took responsibility for anything. She is just claiming that she was a victim, even though if what she says is true and Alyssa managed to get her fired, it is clearly because she was no saint, and the documentation and testimonies Alyssa gathered were surely enough to have a strong case if she sued. Otherwise, they wouldn't have fired Shannen.
Also, Alyssa had way more magazine covers than Shannen did (there is a video that counts them), so who was jealous of whom?. There are also videos and postcasts of Julian McMahon, Kaley Cuocco and a lot of other guest stars praising Alyssa and saying she was always nice to everyone. Shannen is the one who was always difficult to work with and got fired from other jobs as well.
Regarding Julian, after that convention they shared they posted pics together and a lot of love....Julian always supported Alyssa so I doubt he refused to appear alonside her during season 7.
I love all four of them and wish they could move past this for the fans. We were all so happy when they all said at different moments that they would return, and the drama was getting behind, but Holly and Shannen had to bring it all back because they so desperately want press.
The issue with Alyssa's apology for me is it comes across intentionally vague. so she doesn't have to get into the specifics and address what actually led to Shannen's firing. I mean, ok, great, she says she takes accountability for her part. What was her part? What did she do? She says she felt in competition. Okay. What did she feel in competition over? I mean, it's a very surface based apology. Enough to garner sympathy because she's admitting to doing something yet, at the same time, it omits exactly what it was she did. Clever, if intentional. It's like a bait & switch tactic to throw the attention back over to Shannen so the public focus is then expecting SD to admit to something. Mean while, Alyssa never actually revealed anything at all regarding the details. On the other hand, not the best move if the intention with the apology was honestly to clear the air. So was the apology sincere or was it just a PR move? A facade?
Oh, and I don't buy for a minute thar the threat of a lawsuit had anything to do with Shannen. 3 girls not getting along would have been laughed out of court. That would be considered petty & frivolous. There would have had to have been serious harassment going on between the girls and I think that's all Holly meant when she said by today's standard's, it wouldn't fly. Now, do I buy that Alyssa sought out a mediator because the girls were having issues and not getting along? Absolutely. Is it possible the other 2 were being petty by refusing to go with Alyssa? Sure, definitely plausible. I can see it. As "besties," SD & Holly were likely a clique. However, the threat of a lawsuit for a toxic work environment? No, that is likely directed at other stuff going on behind the scenes with the network and powerful Hollywood men. The women have expressed how they felt poorly treated by the network before and Brain Krause expressed in an interview a few years back that Shannen wasn't even really the problem, it was powerful Hollywood men and their egos. I think Alyssa used the dirt she knew and issued the ultimatum to get rid of Shannen or else she sues. That's were she held the power to get Shannen fired. Alyssa admits she felt in competition so it's not a far stretch. This would also explain why another producer told Holly they didn't mean to fire Shannen but they were basically backed into a corner and had to make a choice. The choice wasn't Shannen or Alyssa. It was probably either Shannen goes or all the dirt against the network & crew comes out in court. My guess is this is what Alyssa likely doesn't want coming out publicly for her image which is why her apology avoids the details on purpose. She likely used a situation to her advantage; to eliminate the competition (aka. Shannen). People go on and on about how they weren't getting along, and who was more at fault and I really don't care. I believe they both took shots at each other, probably were times were one was not at fault, but the "biggie" here was one using all that pettiness to get the other one to lose their job over it because of "competitiveness." And Alyssa's own words, remember, she felt in competition and if she doesn't like that conclusion being drawn, if it's not how it went down, perhaps she should have clarified better. Of course, the rest, they are both accountable for.
“Whatever part I played” comes off disingenuous and it’s the same vibe as “I’m sorry your feelings were hurt”.
She said it now that way because it wasn't the momento to get into details. Thera are other interviews where she is more thoughtful in her apology. But at least she have done that, several times. I never saw any of the others to say sorry and take any responsibility.@@CaulkMongler
You definitely make great points! I do wish I knew where Kaley Cuoco praised Alyssa, because that sounds super sweet and I would love to see/read it! 🥰
@@ignaciosarsfield966Very true. Even if it was a bit vague, she's still the only one to sit that and directly go, 'yes, I messed up, I played a role in what happened,' whereas Rose, Holly, and Shannen all simultaneously claim that none of them were angels.. but it was still all Alyssa's fault.
The fact that they were all the problem like the more u learn the more you realized all those women were problematic but it’s ok still love charmed
Completely agree! 🥰
Alyssa just recently spoke out about the situation & said it’s unfortunate that ppl can’t get over something that happened a Quarter of a century ago & apologized to the fans for their problems being Exposed 😅
Someone actually sent that to me on Instagram! It's so crazy that it all happened 20+ years ago and they're all still acting like they're in high school. Although I can't exactly blame Alyssa for responding, I mean.. Shannen and Holly did choose to publicly throw her under the bus, so it makes sense for her to publicly defend herself.
I don't really have a problem with people speaking out and telling their side of the story. Shannen never really got the chance to until now. Personally, I feel that was for her to decide to do when or if she felt comfortable, not for any of us to say. I'm not of the mindset to invalidate anyone sharing their experiences. It's not about who we may agree or disagree with. Telling someone to just get over it, it happened 20 years ago, just comes off dismissive & insensitive and I see too many people saying that, especially those taking up for Alyssa's side. The thing is, an experience could be a big deal to the person who experienced it and have affected them regardless of when it happened. I mean, imagine saying that to a rape survivor or a victim of childhood sexual abuse who decided to speak their truth 20 years later? Would that be cool with Alyssa, telling them to get over it? She was supposedly all on board with the MeToo movement. And it's not about comparing circumstances, but merely the poor idea that people should be put on a clock for when they decide to share what happened to them. Something tells me if the roles were reversed, and Alyssa had been made to leave unfairly from her POV, she'd be a big advocate for speaking out.
Anyway, I see a lot of this type of reaction taking place on Alyssa's Instagram. And Alyssa didn't come out with this because of SD & Holly on the podcast. That episode has been out for awhile now and she chose not to really address any allegations. Her right. This Instagram is because a fan brought it up to her at megacon. So she addressed. Same as Shannen decided to do with her podcast after fans kept asking her what happened.
Controlling and/or stage parents are no joke. This is mainly why I believe Alyssa was the problem. Her mom was likely influencing Alyssa to behave in such a way.
Then again, it’s so long ago, does it really matter?
Yeah, Alyssa's mom sounds like a real piece of work. I feel like she was living vicariously through Alyssa at times and that spilled over onto Charmed.
And yeah.. I wish it was all over and done with too, but between the podcast and the current drama on Insta, it's probably not going away anytime soon. 😔
Also I hated Phoebe's tongue while she was kissing with Cole😂
Me too! Didn't need to see that lol
Those scenes were hot🤷🏼♀️
Alyssa , is the problem child.
Definitely one of (at least) three ~
Holly really is the middle sister
I was at that Paris convention!
Congrats!
Was Alyssa the problem? Well, why is everybody basically saying the same thing about Milano’s bullying behaviour behind-the-scene? She talks about taking accountability for any part she’d played, but she was the whole part all along! Take full responsibility for what you did and stop denying, reflecting and trying to sound like some flowery hippie with all that “peace and love” crap and be a grownup and admit your truth and apologise, only the truth will set you free. Honestly, if Alyssa Milano was to hold her hands up and admit the truth, and made a heartfelt apology, especially to Shannen Doherty and Rose McGowan, fans would be more supportive and accepting of her instead of her cowardice behaviour right now. Shannen Doherty is sadly dying and in her speaking her truth, (and never once has she bashed Alyssa Milano, only speaking of her truth of the situation at the time and how all this hurt her so much.) And it’s amazingly appalling how Holly Marie Combs was treated at the time as well after Shannen Doherty was fired from “Charmed” by the coward Alyssa Milano and her minions. Being a first time mum at the time, it was disgusting how Combs was treated and threatened by the bosses, and there’s no doubt Alyssa Milano was very aware of this as well, and that’s a person that saw herself as Holly Marie Combs’ best friend, (bloody hell, who need enemies with a friend like Alyssa Milano? I think it’ll be safer swimming in a pool with sharks and crocodiles.) I remember at the time when Charmed was just hitting ratings high, when Shannen Doherty left, I was so angry with her and there were so many negative press about her that went on for years, and I remember telling a friend of mine how it didn’t make sense for Doherty to leave the show like that. And when all the negative things being said about Shannen Doherty and this feud with Alyssa Milano; there’s a scene in Charmed after Prue’s death and Piper was sitting by the fire and her grieving felt so real to me, but Phoebe was so standoffish in her grief as she’d comforted Piper and it stuck with me. I remember telling my friend Alyssa couldn’t act grief that good, and I said that Holly Marie Combs knows the truth and when she blows, the truth will out. Isn’t it ironic in the last several years people who have worked on Charmed have had the same complaints about Milano and how she was a bully onset, but Shannen Doherty kept quiet about her ordeal with Alyssa Milano and Holly Marie Combs, (who people who have worked with her have said how much of a genuinely nice person she is, so much like her character in Charmed.) Holly had also kept quiet about her ordeal with Milano, hence probably why Milano kept a firm hand of “friendship” with Holly, and no doubt tried her very best to keep Holly Marie Combs’ friendship with Shannen Doherty down to a minimal. However, something broke and totally annoyed Holly Marie Combs and she’d had enough of being loyal to Milano and now everybody is listening and apologising, except for Alyssa Milano! I’m just wondering now how this ‘cancel culture’ trend will work on Alyssa Milano? Anyway, if anything right now, Holly Marie Combs and Shannen Doherty should work together to create a movie, perhaps of Charmed: The Next Generation where Holly Marie is the matriarch and Shannen, a White Lighter Elder to prepare their children to battle evil with a comical element of the two sisters
You make some fair points. In regards to a potential Charmed reunion though, I feel like it should be all of them, or none of them. If they can't set their differences aside for the fans they claim they love so much long enough for one appearance together, then imo none of them are any better than the other.
Bravo to you for speaking the truth about the behind the scenes feud Alyssa Milano had with Shannen. It is so sad now to watch the torture poor Holly went through continuing on Charmed without Shannen. According to her she was forced to go on working there and threatened by the male bosses that she would be stopped by them to work anywhere else. I think a Charmed movie would be great with the three sisters who really got along, Rose, Shannen and Holly and the remaining sister unable to return because of her demise! Turning the tables on Milano!
I think they would love to but they don’t own any rights to the show.
@@MechaJutarofrom the outside- and specially by a man, it’s really easy to look like they are all just divas and bitches and drama queens EVEN when one person is causing the problem and the others are just reacting to it. Someone who doesn’t know why Holly is grossed out having to make out with Brian after he’s been in bed with Alyssa might interpret Holly’s behavior as her being a diva. (Holly is sweet and down to earth but also very blunt and she absolutely would tell Brian “get out of my face and clean yourself!” Lol which to an onlooker would not look great.
Alyssa got Shannen fired I wonder why she would do that damn
Me too! It would be nice if she would just give a straight answer instead of skirting the issue.. you would think that if she wanted Shannen fired, the least she could do is own up to it.
@@weirdlybelovedI don't think Shannen would have been fired if there was no smoke
There was an Investigation
Alyssa explained that a studio mediator was called and Holly and Shannon refused to cooperate
That action likely didn't help things because Holly might have been seen as the meek one and Shannon the mean girl so cutting her out meant getting rid of the problem
Inorder to protect the investment , more seasons of the show
And like Alyssa said the show lasted 5 more years without her
So I'm sure the producers felt happy with their decision
@@shippendales8543 Oh, for sure. Shannen can deny she was problematic until the cows come home, but there's just no way a studio would fire one of their best stars if there wasn't SOMETHING there. And a lot of Shannen's story doesn't add up anyway.. she was fired from TWO successful shows through no fault of her own? Yeah right.
I just don't see why Alyssa chose to go the route of "I never did that," instead of saying that she did, and it was because Shannen's behavior had gotten so bad that one of them needed to go, and she thought it should be Shannen.
People are a lot less tolerant of bullies than they were back in the days of Charmed, so Alyssa would likely have much more support than she realizes if she called them on it.
@@weirdlybelovedI agree with you. I think there must have been a reason for Alyssa to feel like the only way out was to get Shannen fired. I also think Alyssa must have had some insecurities that made it difficult to work with someone like Shannen, who is always very outspoken, direct, and quiet dramatic, sometimes over the top. If Alyssa in fact did get Shannen fired, she should own up to it and provide her side as to why. The way Alyssa "addressed" it through a panel few days ago is saying lots of words with no value. But honestly, this is what happens when you put two people with ultra egos together.
@@shippendales8543 If Shannen was really the big problem though, why did a producer tell Holly they didn't mean to fire her, but they felt backed into a corner and had to make a choice? I mean, what if there really was an ultimatum issued by Alyssa because she felt in competition? Alyssa said it herself, she felt in competition, so what if she took advantage of a situation to get rid of that competition? The threat of a lawsuit could have been the dirt Alyssa had on the network or crew and they didn't want all that exposed in court so they caved to Alyssa's demand. So while it's likely true there was a lot of petty and frivolous drama going down between all the girls, none innocent like Holly expressed, and a mediator was definitely brought in, it was nothing for anyone to lose their job over, not even Alyssa. Holly expressed that too. Shannen still essentially would have been used as a scapegoat to avoid a lawsuit against themselves. Not to mention, Shannen claims to still have the written receipt from Brad Kern years later where he admits they f'cked up in letting her go? Why? If they felt she had been the problem all along. Why even attempt to ask her back for the finale, that she apparently declined to do? See, there is other information that brings things into perspective and how could all the producers be happy with their decision? Not according to the producer that talked to Holly.
Waking up this morning I saw a clip supposedly about her talking about it, but once again she really wasn't saying anything. She says it's sad that the others tarnished the show by talking about these things but then says that she was traumatized by doing the show in the same conversation...
What?! Omg, can you send me a link if possible?
@@weirdlybelovedher facebook post, really condescending
Shannen was portrayed as a villain for 25 years. Now she has a terminal illness and wants to leave this planet speaking her truth.
The Instagram post seems to be better
@@skurinski Alyssa's Facebook post? It seems to be the same one as her Insta post. And yeah, there's nothing wrong with speaking truth, but if 'your truth' differs from what actually happened and/or contradicts what you've said in the past, then that's going to be a problem. As much as I feel for Shannen, being sick doesn't absolve you of personal responsibility.
Just for clarity, the Mistresses pilot that Holly was in (which she did shoot but wasn't picked up) was years before Alyssa's show, also titled Mistresses - based on the same UK show, but separate shows that were years apart - Holly's version had nothing to do with Alyssa and vice versa
Good point! I wish I knew when Alyssa got involved in the Mistresses project, in case there was any overlap between her and Holly's versions!
It could also be that Holly's version flopped, but Alyssa's version was successful and Holly is bitter about it? 🤔
@weirdlybeloved not sure how much overlap there was, if any with their versions (aside from it being based on the same UK show), but I don't recall any issues arising from it, for once 😂
@@phillipleecurtis7204 Someone said that Rochelle Aytes was in both versions of Mistresses (Holly's and Alyssa's) so I bet you she's got the scoop, haha.
Haven't fiished the video yet byt have to say that now I'll always be wanting for a version of Mistresses with Holly in it. I wonder who she'd be playing.
Another comment said that she played Janey in her Mistresses pilot!
I think Alyssa made the biggest stink that broke it all apart. But I think that's because she had the most power on set out of the 3. She's very clever. But the other two aren't super innocent either. LOOKING AT HOLLY who has successfully played the innocent victim. I don't think it's ever worked for Aylssa, but it also hasn't really hurt her rep that much, so she probably doesn't care very much.
Right?? Holly has flown under the radar so much in this conflict that she was never blamed at all, but I'm really starting to see how much she and Shannen are cut from the same cloth, and hopefully people will start calling her on it.
Yes so true. I saw an interview with Shannon and Holly years ago about their feud with Alyssa. While Shannon was actually mature and didn’t say anything bad, Holly said something really mean. It wasn't the words, it was the way she said it. Was actually really surprised because she plays the victim card so well.
@@carriecarebear Ooh, which interview was that?
The wrong “sister got fired” "Charmed" co-star, Holly Marie Combs said that Shannen was fire despite from the show despite saying she quit after its third season in 2001. Holly recalled a conversation she had with “Charmed"producer Jonathan Levin, who told her that Milano threatened to sue if Doherty wasn't fired from the show.”He said, you know,
'We're basically in a position where it's one or the other. We were told by Alyssa that it's Shannen or me. Shannen said she went home every night in season 2 and cried. Shannen said I wanted to be honest about the situation because the rumors have followed me re gardless,"she said. My representatives, I remember them looking at me at the time and said, "No, no, no, your career won't survive another firing, so we're just going to say that you chose to leave."I remember I started laughing, going, “Who is going to believe that I'm crazy enough to leave a hit show?"People have to realize that this hasn’t gone away for Shannen is still dealing with this. And it wasn’t just her she treated Rose awful. Rose said I cried everytime we got pick up. Rose also said that behind the scenes Alyssa would scream I don’t get paid enough to do this shit. Rose is on TH-cam if you want to hear her side of the story. Well, like my parents used to tell me "its not everybody else it's you!"So when Shannon, Holly and Rose have all come out and said Alyssa a B...l'm going to say that girl is probably a B. It appears the real Book of Shadows has finally been un-veiled.
I said most of that in my video, though? 🤔
And generally I would agree with you - if three out of four people are saying the same thing, then odds are they're right - but the thing I don't trust about them is the way they can't keep a story straight. Rose never seemed to have a problem with Alyssa until politics got involved, then suddenly Alyssa was a nightmare to work with; Shannen never takes responsibility for anything so it always ends up being someone else's fault; and then Holly was defending Alyssa all the way up until the end of 2022, telling someone on Instagram that implied Alyssa was the problem that they "were funny and misinformed."
Then apparently between 2022 and 2023 she did a complete 180 and is now saying Alyssa WAS the problem. I feel like something happened in that year to make Holly and Alyssa have a falling out, but just because they had a falling out doesn't mean Holly gets to rewrite history, either. It feels like this is her way of getting back at Alyssa for whatever pissed her off.
@@weirdlybelovedHello! I follow your page and I like your analysis - but let me defend Shannen a bit about the not taking responsibility/accountability . I wasn’t a fan of her back then, but only started to like her when I saw her improving her past mistakes since she got cancer. Shannen does take responsibility for her faults, in fact in her recent podcast with Jason - she took full responsibility for why she was fired in Beverly Hills 90210. The problem is that the truth why she was fired gets too twisted and she always gets villainized. For many years, the general public took that her hard partying ways are what got her fired from 90210 - but in fact it’s because she was late for work a lot because she didn’t know how to handle her abusive husband and dealing with her father’s illness. Another lie about her was that she starts fights; but there were times she didn’t start a fight like when she was defending Brian Austin Green from something trying to pick a fight and it ended up Shannen being labeled as the instigator. Also common public think that all the 90210 cast hate her, but it’s not true because people like Brian Austin Green, the lady who played Cindy Walsh her Mom, and eventually Luke Perry were very supportive of her. In her podcast she has admitted that she made mistakes, she could have done things differently, etc. She hasn’t been able to say her whole story for many many years and have held back so she’s just being honest about how she felt then looking back. She is a person who knows she could die soon - so she has nothing to lose by finally telling her side of the story. People keep twisting what she says in her podcast without listening to the whole thing. Like when she and Holly talked about Charmed in her Podcast, Shannen was clearly pointing out the producers/executives as the problem. Sadly Alyssa played a part of it, so there is no way they can take her out of the picture. And Alyssa became defensive over it. In the end all of these women are strong willed fighters trying to survive in their industry and the show’s executives played with them for maximum profits. They were played against each other, and Shannen even reflects on that in her podcast. But sadly Alyssa freaked out and wrote something to the public that made things just bigger. She could have just reached out to Shannen and talked to her, maybe even guest in the podcast.
@@onacanilao Thank you very much! I think you made a lot of fair points! To be fair on Alyssa though, she took two months to make any sort of statement on the situation.. I don't really think that counts as 'freaking out,' and I think if someone makes a public statement that causes you to receive public backlash, it's kind of natural to make a public statement defending yourself. Maybe if Shannen had invited Alyssa onto the podcast with Holly in the first place, things wouldn't have escalated the way they have. :(
@@weirdlybeloved Thanks! Btw I like your analysis on the actresses and like that you look at them equally and balanced. Anyways back to the topic: Yes, to be fair with Alyssa she did think things through before writing what she did. It still would have been better for her to talk to Shannen privately about it, if she was the bigger person she is making herself out to be. But for many years (being a longtime Alyssa fan and from what I observed) she knows the game and has relied on her fans and the executives (who she’s had to deal with on many levels) to be her attack dogs. The executives of the show were also the ones feeding little Shannen smear tidbits to tabloids for many years; it’s how PR goes. So Alyssa need not say anything and try to be the bigger person by being quiet about it. She also has a lot to lose if her past dirt comes out, especially since she started #Metoo. Out of the 3 she is the one with the most to lose if it comes out that she did something bad. That’s why I’’m not sure I could take her word 💯. She knows the Hollywood game well being a survivor in the business, and your career doesn’t last this long by being a good person. But as for Shannen’s podcast, how do we know what happened behind-the-scenes? How do we know she didn’t invite Alyssa? Maybe she wanted to but the Alyssa’s book may have turned her off. She’s only human and still hurt by what happened many years ago. We don’t know 100% of what happens in their lives. But I know 1 thing - a dying person finally opening up to their past has nothing to lose. I became a fan of Shannen when I found her passionately supporting animal welfare groups, especially getting involved with Dog rescues. This was post her finding out she got cancer. And the more I found out, the more I realized there were so many things said about her were so exaggerated or lies and now I question about what really happened in the past. Shannen is def a B and I’m not surprised or shocked. Definitely not defending her B attitude either - BUT the difference is that Shannen was a B that didn’t get along with the BIG Bosses while Jennie Garth, Alyssa, Tori were Bs who got along well with the BIG Bosses. I believe there was some type of unprofessional dealings on the side of the Powers that Be who got rid of Shannen and misogyny played into that as well - it’s all like a witch trial to me. Because out of all those Aaron Spelling shows, she got on well with other people. Kevin Smith who she worked with for Mallrats has nothing but good things to say about her. She got along well with the cast too. So when I listened to Shannen’s podcast, she was clearly painting the show’s executives as the villain. And she even clearly says they all get along now, this was the past - she didn’t want to start a fight with Alyssa but she had to be honest with her experience and not die with that lie still in place. The subject is just too difficult as they most probably realize now. Shannen’s podcast is supposed to be her ongoing Memoir instead of a written Memoir. Things can change and can be improved on. Either she mentions the truth now while she can still work it out with Alyssa or her written Memoir with this info comes out after her death and it’s too late to fix things and Alyssa could even be more villified.
17:51 and THIS *fighting for the show to be a good show* is what gets actresses labeled “difficult” and they come up with “reasons” like “she came to set late and held up production,” when actually she was fighting for her show with a producer who wanted to be a walking pair of jiggly boobies and not have an opinion.
I would agree with u on the mistresses part if the timeline matchup because the did do something on greys anatomy
Simple answer, YES. Yes was and is the problem. Now she's gasslighting
The same could be said for any of the other three actresses, though.
Alyssa Milano went on a tirade against young actors in the reboot? no. Did she go on instalive trying to justify belittling the young actors? No. That was Rose and Holly.
i agree. as an empath who lived with a narcissist for years, i see the exact same dynamic.
@@Starkardur they were actually asked in a interview and gave their opinion. then it kind of snowballed after that. the point Rose and Holly made was it shouldn't have been charmed and rode on the coattails of the original which i agree whole hardly, it was the company trying to squeeze more money out of the original. i tried to watch it i thought it was pretty bad.
No it is not the same mistresses that Alyssa was a part of but it actually included Rochelle Aytes as Ava, Holly played Janey this pilot was in 2009 while Mistresses with Alyssa as Savi and Rochelle Aytes as April was in 2013. Holly’s mistresses wasn’t picked up.
Thank you! I do wonder if there was some crossover though, especially since Rochelle was in both versions. It could be that Holly's version failed and Alyssa came along and 'fixed' it, and that one got picked up so maybe Holly's bitter about it? Hmm.. Idk.
@@weirdlybeloved yeah it is possible but the projects are 4 years apart so it definitely got reworked if those 2 projects are connected I really don’t know. Must check producers etc but I am lazy
@@weirdlybeloved the woman who is saying to Holly you’re a good fit you can deal with all of them (that mistresses show had 6 women) was the producer at WB that didn’t want Holly for Charmed cause she didn’t have the star power Shannen has.
@@adnnebs I know..?
alyssa ate Shannen couldn't handle it
8:09 he’s gross I’m not taking anything he has to say seriously
... yes
She's definitely part of the problem, for sure.
Alyssa is just so....unlikable. Rose truly is charming.
I did love Rose as Paige 🥰
Holly has come out even stronger against Allysa since then
I would really recommend watching the video I did covering Megacon, as it definitely shows a different side of Holly.
21:53 You always keep it 💯. The patriarchy is most to blame for sure but unfortunately the women fell for it instead of having a strong sisterhood.
I particularly think of episodes like Sin City where the "sins" seem to be thinks crew possibly didn't like about Shannon and Alyssa. Or how many scenes they intentionally have of Alyssa kissing Julian probably to keep the drama going. Just think of the multiple takes the MALE directors would have asked for. Shameful.
Shame the women didn't realize they were being played.
Oh, for sure! It sounds like the majority of the men on that show made it an absolute nightmare, and definitely took pleasure in getting the girls to wear skimpy outfits and act overly sexual! Like that scene in season 5 where they had Alyssa Milano give Julian a lap dance.. I always thought that was so disgusting and unnecessary, and no doubt they put that in there for their own perverted enjoyment.
I love ALL the characters on the show. I don’t hold it against Phoebe that Alyssa seems… very suss
Me too. I think Phoebe just bugs me because she can be really selfish sometimes and tends to screw over her sisters in favor of guys. 😔
And also Rose McGowan she did say that she doesn't like Alyssa Milano because she is involved with say hey because her husband is CAA something like that but they are part of some secret society that they do something something strange to get more public Fans search Rose McGowan said that Alyssa Milano she married CAA because they are involved in many things that people would not even imagine what's going on behind well let's just say the double life of Alyssa Milano if she does have a double life a secret double life that no one knows
Oh yeah, I've seen that clip but I don't really follow politics and stuff so I don't really understand it too well. 😥
@@weirdlybeloved oh okay yes I understand do not worry I also do not follow politics but Rose McGowan she did a documentary about her surviving Harvey Weinstein so she she said that she's been through a lot so there's things about her life that you cannot find out in the internet but she explains it in interviews
@@weirdlybeloved she started very young in the industry in the entertainment industry
You’re reading way too into Rose being mysterious and edgy for attention. It’s not some secret society it’s one of the biggest talent agencies in the industry and Rose was trying to create intrigue around the idea that the agencies are/were involved in women being taken advantage of by people like HW. And who knows maybe there’s some truth to it but Rose obviously has zero evidence Alyssa’s husband was ever involved in anything like that otherwise she’d spill it.
@@EastSide-qc5oy she spilled it I feel like she knows everything about Alyssa Milano that has the public fans that we don't know everything what went on behind the scenes so the reason why she's spelling Tea I feel like this is animosity towards Alyssa Milano because she said that Alyssa Milano did not do anything when she was being abused by the industry Rose McGowan she feel some type of way who knows what went on between a friendship behind closed Doors she said that she was raped by Harvey Weinstein so this is interesting because she's also part of the me too movement but she said that it has been the face of white women issues so this is why she is enraged towards Alyssa Milano
Yes. She was.
One of them, for sure.
Okay, now that I’ve watched your Alyssa video - it was more level headed. Your Shannen video came across as really hateful imo.
I agree with most of you said here (go figure). I wont watch the Holly video as I don’t really care for her but thank you for the attention to detail and bringing up how vague Alyssa always as I’ve commented on the Shannen video.
You have been fair. Well done!
I don't feel I was any harsher on Shannen than I was on Alyssa or Holly, Shannen's video is just longer because there was more info to work with.
But I do find it interesting that because you like Shannen her video is apparently "hateful," and you wrote a very long comment defending her, but because you don't like Alyssa her video is apparently "fair."
Alyssa is patronizing a condescending and I believe she is definitely the problem.
I feel like the same could be said for any of the four actresses at this point, haha, but I do see your point about Alyssa.
Honestly, it’s really none of yours, mine or anyone’s business but the women of the show. It shocks me that people think they’re owed this information.
And yet you're here.
I never said anything about the video so whatever that means dude. But still Doesn’t change the fact that neither you nor I are entitled to know those goings on behind a show from 25 years ago. It’s just sad to see actors who were so admired for such a good show fall so far. Enjoy your life glad I could give your channel a view to build your brand wink 😉
Well the women of the show apparently can’t stop talking about it PUBLICLY these days, and making it the PUBLIC’S business, so it’s fair game I suppose. If they had wanted to keep it their business only and work it out (or not) amongst themselves, they’d be doing that, but they’re not.
It takes two to have an argument, but it’s been so long. Why can’t they all just put Charmed behind them and move on. However with everything I’ve heard and read over the years (being a mega fan) Holly, Rose and even Brian stuck with it. And I think they all played a part and all have stories and the truth is somewhere in the middle.
It's not going to be put behind them because the fans are always questioning it and while they participate in Cons with the fans, it is a part of the show's history that will inevitably come up.
With that said, I don't think the actresses themselves necessarily dwell on it. Any of them. If asked or if it comes to their attention, they give their input. But even Shannen herself has only addressed it once with Holly on her podcast to get her side of the story out, she told fans at the 2023 Cons she would answer the questions for them on her podcast, and that's it, yet people act like that's all her podcast is about. The majority is not - it's about many things. People are getting frustrated, I think, and accusing the actresses of hanging onto the past because Shannen, Rose, & Holly do cons together without Alyssa. This isn't the set of Charmed where people are being paid to do a job, act out a character, regardless of how they feel about each other in real life. They can't be forced to hang out with each other on a panel and "pretend" to get along and chat when they are uncomfortable doing that. It's not fair to expect that of them either.. They have the right to feel how they feel - they don't have to "let go" and force themselves to be around anybody they don't want to be. This is my take away from what I've been seeing.
Exactly! I don't mind them addressing it since I know they get asked why Shannen left all the time, my issue is the fact that they are, once again, all talking ABOUT each other instead of TO each other, which seems to have been the exact reason they didn't get along on the show in the first place! It would seem that none of them have learned anything in the 20-odd years since this all went down.
U can never blame one. It's an action reaction thing always. Little blaming here, little there.. I believe one thing brings the other, so everyone has his share of responsibility on that one. All those women in their 50s now, grew up and learnt from their mistakes. It's better to let go and accept the mistakes, the lessons, yourself, forgive and love!
I know, that's why I made multiple videos, one for each actress except for Rose. There's definitely more than enough blame to go around.
Yes even though these women are in there 50,s sometimes some people are just not able to move on and forgive I know this very well and I am in my 30,s
19:18 I feel very differently about her (Hollys) comments than you. I don’t necessarily feel like she’s complaining. She’s talking about how she had to fight for the show because she cared about it and how that wasn’t well received or how the producers were driving wedges for their own reasons. I feel like she’s being honest about what she was struggling with and how she handled it, not “complaining about everything.” And I don’t even think Alyssa (who I am not currently a fan of) was “complaining” about the outfits so much as from her older/years later vantage point she recognized something she wasn’t keyed into back in the day.
Also her “complaint” about CGI is just a fact. Their CGI was rough and limited and people make fun of it all the time. Especially when you look at it now. Personally I think it was fine for TV at the time, but I’ve heard SO MANY criticisms of it and I’m sure Holly has too and it’s just easier for her to say it herself before someone else tells her yet again…
There are two different US versions of Mistresses that are totally unrelated and separated by several years. Holly's version of Mistresses was not broadcast/commisioned. Alyssa's later version was a success.
I fail to see the title of Alyssa's autobiography is any kind of indicator of anything. Why would anyone start making inferences based on the title of her autobiography?
Why is Alyssa's dating preferences in any way relevant to anything. All's fair in love and war.
Alyssa's mum has always been her legal minder in her career. The others should be so lucky to have such a professionally involved parent helping their career.
So Alyssa doesn't mention Charmed in interviews. She never did so in interviews during the show's run and i've seen them all. Why does she need to talk about it now it's in her past. How are these things his relevant to the topic?
1) I know there are two different versions, but there does seem to have been some crossover between the two versions, as Rochelle Aytes was in both of them.
2) The book title matters because if you're TRULY take accountability for yourself, marketing that as you being, 'sorry.. NOT SORRY!' is not the way to go.
3) Normally her dating preferences wouldn't matter in the slightest, but making your coworkers uncomfortably by dating your co-stars definitely contributes to tension on the set, which Holly herself described. And since Holly was caught in the middle of those relationships, I feel like she has every reason to be uncomfortable.
4) That's one way to see it. Not being able to mind her own buisness is another.
5) Alyssa HAS mentioned Charmed in plenty of interviews though? If you're saying she didn't then clearly you have not "seen them all." And for the record, I never got that 'it's in the past, so it doesn't matter' mentality. It's like, technically 5 minutes ago is 'the past.' Does that mean it doesn't matter, too?
Alyssa did just one season of mistresses, her reason being "it was too far away"👀
She did two seasons though?
Great video weirdly
I think Alyssa was tipping at Justin Timberlake while he was still with Britney Spears.
Ugh, that wouldn't surprise me at all! 😮💨
@@weirdlybeloved You women need to stop blaming women for MEN'S actions and behaviors. A man will cheat because he is a cheater at heart.
@@suzygirl1843 I guess that also means that you need to stop telling other people what to do. If someone is in a relationship, they're off-limits. Period. Otherwise, it's on BOTH parties, not just the man.
@@weirdlybeloved You're delusional if you think you gonna control most cheaters. Cheaters are going to cheat. Yes, stay out of people's relationships including the one's committing adultery.
@@suzygirl1843Lmao I couldn't be delusional given the fact that I never said anything about controlling anyone. You did. I said relationship=off limits, so don't put words in my mouth.
I don't think it was Alyssa's fault. I think it was her mum. She has been puppeteering Alyssa since an early age it seems...
Obviously, yes.
Yes. Just yes
She's one of them, yes
They're all divas.
She was actually my favorite as a kid watching this show.
What I found odd was her inserting herself in the Kavanaugh trial.... she stuck out and it felt like she didnt belong there.
Oh wow, that does sound odd! That's kind of why I'm having trouble getting through her book Sorry Not Sorry.. from the marketing it sounded like it was a collection of essays about her life, but thus far it's just been all about politics. It almost feels like she wants to talk about any 'drama' but her own.
@@weirdlybelovedthat’s been her passion for the last decade or so
@@DisabledDoll Ah, too bad.. I liked watching old interviews with Alyssa because she seemed really interesting and I liked her vibe. Politics.. aren't really my thing, so it's hard for me to listen to most of what she says now.
This is honestly ruining my crush that I have had on Alyssa for my entire life. (or since I was 12)
Cole and Prue would have made a great couple on screen.
Hmm.. I'm not sure how I feel about that one! I do sometimes feel that Phoebe and Leo had better chemistry than Piper and Leo, though.
@@weirdlybeloved In my opinion, Cole and Prue would have been very spicy like the best love/hate, enemies to lovers trope. Phoebe and Cole was kinda vanilla, little girl/ grown man type of relationship, they tried to make it dark but it wasn't really.
Didn’t Julian & Shannen date irl?
@@hypertwink indeed
Oh boy.....I goota check more often XD
Lol
19:19 I think holly loved the show. She didn’t like the TREATMENT they they received while working on it. Also, remember that she WAS blackmailed to stay on the show when she was pregnant and working on a show that actively didn’t want the “sisters” actresses to actually like each other.
Idk, the way she tends to talk about the show (even now) definitely doesn't sound like love. It's one of the reasons the House of Halliwell podcast is losing popularity, because people don't want to sign up to deal with Holly's vitriol towards not just the people that worked on the show, but the show itself.
What’s so wrong about her mother taking her daughter’s image off the internet? Kanye got Kim’s tapes back then she dumped his azz
I think it's less that she wants to protect her daughter's image so much as she seems to abuse the power at times. She also seems to expect the same rights when it comes to some of Alyssa's coworkers, like Holly and Shannen.
Was Holly the Problem? th-cam.com/video/AxFsB9vGazg/w-d-xo.html
Was Shannen the Problem? th-cam.com/video/77h2PBaLpu4/w-d-xo.html
Yes. Next.
@@clivechiam Part of the problem, anyway.
yes she was. Shannen was so charismatic and Alyssa Milano wanted to BE THE STAR OF THE SHOW. Shannen gave so much to the show. RIP Shannen.
@@Donuts-kg1of I still think they were all part of the problem, but we'll never know for sure.
She was obviously jealous of Shannen. Shannen was a much better actress and she was definitely becoming the lead on Charmed. I would have liked to have seen Prue's astral projection grow and Piper was my second favorite character.
Shannen's acting was definitely on point! She was phenomenal! 🥰
Becoming? Shannen was always the lead. Anyway, this whole drama has soured my opinion of Charmed. All of the actresses are real-life Mean Girls.
21:19 she built a case
And that was specifically discussed… it’s workplace politics. Even if they have a good lawer they are also concerned about the optics (how it looks) and Alyssa did build a stong case but that doesn’t mean it’s truthful. She just knew how to cover her basis.
21:45 oh my gosh you are probably right… she probably had more than just stuff about Shannon. She was probably like… I’ll keep quiet about all the crap that ALL of you are doing if you throw Shannon under the bus.
True, but to be fair, Holly and Shannen definitely didn't help their case by refusing to speak with him at all. If I were him and it was my job to figure out what the issue was, and one of the girls was saying the other two were the problem and those same two iced me out, it would definitely be easy to believe she's telling the truth.
But yeah, I feel like Alyssa had a mountain of evidence to force the bosses to give her the outcome she wanted, and it's frustrating that she refuses to acknowledge that she had anything to do with Shannen's firing even after all this time.
Yes she was jelous of the Attention Shannen got every time, so she get her fired in every occasion she got, she even lied about being sexual abuse in life, she is an attention seeker, she is bad news! Also Holly and Rose did not stand her, Holly want to live too after, Alyssa suppose to get fired after the allegation of fat shaming her on set to rose, and guess what, rose was hella skinny more than Alyssa, she is a bad person and very insecure, insecure people are the worst kind if they are mix with envy and jealousy...
Also a lot of people start say that Alyssa she toxic in so more tv and movie she is in
I'm sorry, but do you have any actual evidence to back any of this up? Because it all sounds like hearsay.
Even the part with Holly and Rose - as I explained in the other videos in this series; Holly was close friends with Alyssa all the way up until a couple years ago, and Rose never had anything negative to say about her until they disagreed about politics, and had previously gone on record saying that she never had an issue with any of the women on set. So it's hard to take anything they say about Alyssa seriously, because they're contradicting what they've said in the past.
Give it a month or so. AM won't need to sweat the attention Ms Doherty receives ever again
Holly and Alyssa were friends and were seen together, Holly would defend Alyssa from the hate fans threw at her. It’s only recent that they had a falling out
Same with Rose, they use to give each other shoutouts on Twitter, it’s only when the MeToo Movement started they had a falling out since Rose felt Alyssa betrayed her
When have Alyssa ever lied about being a SA victim, please show me evidence