They were pushing hard for Piper to have a home birth due to risk of magical exposure. They didn’t know what would happen when the baby came out in “swaddling orbs” 😂 but the point about him and Phoebe both being born there and then being swayed to both good and evil is very very very interesting and I never picked up on that!
@@weirdlybeloved hi okay I was watching season 6 of charmed and noticed a couple of things 1 in the episode where Paige meets Richard and the feud between the two family's in the scene where Richards mom gets killed he threw an energy ball back at her murderer which I thought only demons could do yet they're supposed to be a family of witches... And 2 at the end of that episode Phoebe supposedly blocks her empathy power from her sisters yet in the next episode she is trying to Sense or feel Piper which she shouldn't be able to do given the events of the last episode.... Also possible theory what if Leo secretly knew chris was he son ... And how many years older is Bianca than Chris because in the episode Chris crossed in the present we see her as a little girl ( maybe 8-10) and Chris is not even conceived yet..... so yeah just wondering 😂😂😂
@@MartinWhatley-b6r Omigosh, I didn't remember that about Bianca and the empathy potion! Would you mind if I mentioned those in a future video? I'd be happy to credit you!
I think that the problem with Witchstock episode is that it was written for Patty but since the actress wasn't available they changed it for Penny. This exaplains this huge mess
True! I just think it's weird that they changed everything else ~ the character, the plot, etc. ~ but they couldn't change the parts that created a serious plothole.. 🧐
The Chris thing was somewhat addressed in "I dream of Phoebe" when he talks to Phoebe in her office. Phoebe calls him out for breaking up his parents, and he explains that he had to do it for Leo to become an Elder to make room for him as their whitelighter. He also says that he had been so focused on saving Wyatt that he had forgotten about his own conception. It's outright stated that he hadn't thought it all the way through.
He also definitely lied about Paige being killed by the Titans. It's clear that she was alive during his childhood years up until some point when she and her sisters were killed.
There are plenty of times Chris has contradicted his own story, these are just a few examples. And in Chris Crossed, he and Bianca had clearly been planning this for awhile, so there should have been no reason Chris hadn't thought things through.
@@weirdlybelovedYes but we never knew the extent of his plans with Bianca. His primary goal was to save Wyatt, and he hadn't given much, if any, thought to his own conception. Otherwise he would'nt have been desperate for Phoebe and Paige's help. Chris was a shady character, and was clearly written that way, but he also wasn't too bright.
About the magic school thing, I've always wondered if maybe the sisters weren't invited because their powers were bound. It seems they lost their powers before they were old enough to remember having them. Maybe by the time they would have gone to magic school their powers had already been bound. I also wonder if Grams would have allowed them to go even if they'd been offered the opportunity..I mean she was kind of over protective. She also was dealing with the loss of her daughter and may not have wanted the girls to be away from her. Love your videos, keep up the good work!
I wished they focused on Phoebe's power growth more than her quest to find her baby daddy I mean there's nothing wrong with that but it gets to a point where it isn't healthy (forcing Premonition on her dates) and I know she got punished for that but on season 7 she got a little redemption arc but then threw it all away hell Zanku had better control of her powers after he stole them in the season 7 finale.
Whenever someone else had Phoebe's powers they were super active but when Phoebe had them we went to a point when she had only three premotions during whole season xD
Exactly! There's nothing wrong with Phoebe wanting to start a family, but the way they made it the focal point of her character and had her stop caring about almost anything else was concerning! 😟
I agree that Phoebe got the shortest end of the stick. It really sucks how they handled premonition power because if controlled in the right way it's super powerful. Phoebe could be the most powerful witch on the show (I think that the only greater power on this show would be Billie with her projection power). I mean from all primary powers which sisters had precognition IF controlled in the RIGHT way COULD be the most powerful one. Precognition is unstoppable when person knows how to use it as advantage. Like for example: - using it as form of sensing during fight so you can see/sense next moves of your opponent and react to them before he will make a move, - if you are hiding then you know when you will be attacked and you can prepare for that, when there is future attack on you or anyone, - no one can lie to you or hide anything from you (much of s3, s4, s6 and s8 could be avoided because of this), - she could see how to defeat each enemy so they would save a lot of time to find the solution. And those are only few examples, there will be many more applications. Phoebe NEVER used her power like that. She was barely even getting any visions. Demons surprised them MANY times which shouldn't happen. If used in the right way then none can surprise you and you can't be stopped. Also think about all possible advancemets of this power like: - astral projection (she did it in s5-s8) or even teleporting with a time travel - empathy (her s6 power), which can grow into two ways: * into mind reading and this would grow into mind control * or simply into reflecting attacks (like she did in s6) and then to use memories is reverse to actually hurt or kill someone (like we saw in the future) That's why they got rid of Phoebe's powers when she finally learned how to control them. Writers weren't smart enough to know how to deal with them. It happens ALL THE TIME with characters having the power of visions on all shows... It's basically a superhero trope - if there is a character with premonition power he will end up in 1 of 3 ways: - character is unable to control it (Pheobe for most of the show) - character is loosing his power (Phoebe in season 6) - character dies It happends everywhere: Heroes, Agents of Shield, Arrowverse etc. Also the basic wiccan powers of the Three were synergic and worked well together, covering three strategic aspects of fight: knowledge (Phoebe), defence (Piper) and attack (Prue). But Premonition is a difficult power to deal with when writing a story arc, especially for one of the main characters so they always has to come with limitations not to spoil the whole story (not able to control it, loosing power, dying, visions are not clear etc.) When the format of the show was “demon of the day”, basically Phoebe tracked the innocent and found out the plot of the demon that was soon to be vaquished. But when the show started covering long narrative arcs, Phoebe’s power became a nuisance to writers: this is the reason why she never truly gained full control over it and lost it in season 6. What's the reason why Phoebe couldn’t see that: - Cole was Belthazor in s3, that he's the Source in s4, - find out that Gideon was the main antagonist in s6 and that Chris was Piper's son, - Billie and Christie are the ultimate evil in s8, despite having both power of visions and later empathy? Because it would have ruined the narrative arc! Also, it always annoyed me that Phoebe got levitation and Prue astral projection when it didn't make any sense. It should be the opposite. Prue should get levitation/flying because telekinesis allows her to move objects in psychical space so that would allow her to move herself also in psychical space as well. Which she did a few times in s3 anyway. And if Phoebe during visions can transform her mind in different places that scream astral projection! She used her powers to do astral visions a few times anyway (s5, s6, s8). So many years and this series still gives me fury. xD
In 3x13 Prue marries a warlock which turns her evil and then it turns her sister evil too cause they are the charmed ones they are connected. But in season four 4x15 Phoebe married evil Source Cole and ultimately turns evil herself but it doesn’t affect Piper nor Paige.
Supposedly Chris was originally Phoebe and Cole's son. The one that was never born and the fetus got blown up with the Seer in Womb Raider. I don't know how in the world they would have explained that one. I did the math and Grams would have been 12 when Patty was born. Almost 13. Which is very disturbing. I can't believe no one double checked the years. Penny could have been born in the late 20s/early 30s, Patty in the early 50s and it would have worked fine, since the sisters were all born in the 70s. The tree also says Grams died in 1963. So she never would have met her granddaughters, let alone raised 3 of them. What I don't get is they never edit Grams' date of death but they do Paige's birth year, from 1977 to 1975. Making her the same age as Phoebe. Older even since Paige's birthday is in August and Phoebe's is in November. Patty died in 1978 so there was no reason to. There's an episode after Piper has Wyatt where she and Leo get the tree out to look at male relatives' names to try to find a name for him and Paige sees she's not on the tree. She's hurt, obviously, but given how inaccurate that thing is, it's probably better that she isn't on it. And not just because she, Wyatt, Chris or probably any other kids were never added to it.
Right?! I really can't believe the writers let this all happen, because you would think the people writing the show would be the ones keeping tabs on all this and making SURE it didn't! So much of what they wrote in later seasons just didn't make sense, and while I'll always love Charmed, it's hard to take the last 2-3 seasons seriously.
13:45. Chris was lying. He needed an excuse to get into the Charmed ones lives and get rid of Leo. His true mission was to stop Wyatt. His just took the Titans as an opportunity to weasel his way in.
Re: Prue and Phoebe's evil transformations not affecting the book/sisters the same. The Dark Priestess's spell and wedding ceremony were designed expressly to turn Prue, her sisters, and the book evil. Her whole goal was to get the book, and so her magic was custom-tailored to that end. Phoebe essentially took on a title, Wife to the Evil Guy. Cole was the one who had to undergo an evil-ing ceremony. Yes, she was "evil married" to him, and the seer gave her a potion to increase her evilness (which she usually chucked or upchucked) -- but no one ever cast a spell or performed a ceremony to turn the book or her sisters evil. And no one did as much to directly turn Phoebe evil as the Priestess did to Prue (which could be argued why Phoebe was always flip-flopping and able to come back to good).
Agreed. Also, Phoebe had the influence of the source in evil baby form growing inside her, which I took to be like a parasite who was essentially infecting her with evil from the inside out and the more it grew, the more evil she became. It was such a slow process that it hadn’t even fully consumed Phoebe, so it definitely hadn’t spread to her sisters yet.
@@srayj Very true! Although it's established in the Woogy episode that Phoebe is more susceptible to turning evil due to being born in the manor, so that could have played a role in her becoming evil as well!
As much as I loved the show and could watch it over and over, I really don't think the writers knew what they were doing. It's like consistency didn't exist in their vocabulary. It just became a whole jumbled mess, more so when they introduced Chris. And it looks to me they just didn't even care to make ANYTHING make sense.
Witch stock was supposed to focus on Patty’s past, but Fiona wasn’t available at the time, so it was shifted to Penny instead. At least, that’s what I read somewhere.
I know, it's just weird that they changed the whole story to fit Penny but they didn't bother to make her a few years older so that it made more sense for her to have a 17yo daughter ~
@@weirdlybelovedThe episode never claimed Patty was a child. The exact line was "I dropped her off at my sister's she gonna crash there for the night." This could apply to a 16-17 year old just as easily as it could a child. Also the whole family tree is just a mess. So many inaccuracies. Grams' date of birth was later retconned to be 1930 instead of 1937, which would have made her about 20 when Patty was born. Much less icky.
Also I think Chris was initially meant to be evil. But then Holly got pregnant in real life, so they needed a way to write that in, ergo Chris is Piper and Leo’s son.
The Prue one is so upsetting because of the circumstance for sure and it was just a shame that the executes and Shannen had the feud (even though with Aaron Spelling & Brad Kern, it's understandable why Shannen felt the way she did) because she could've come back as a ghost from time to time in later episodes. But what sucked is how it seemed like after season 4, she was hardly ever brought up at all and I mean, the disrespect LOL And agreed with Phoebe, the character suffered the worst flanderization of the three. I mean Piper had become insufferable at times as well in the newer seasons imo (because of how angry and naggy she got, it was rough sometimes lol) but Phoebe was on a whole other level because of how self-absorbed and egocentric she became. It's like watching two different characters when you compare season 1 Phoebe to season 5-6 Phoebe. She had so many heart of gold moments in season 1.
Exactly! Just because they had problems with Shannen doesn't mean they had to erase Prue! And I fully agree about Piper and Phoebe! Piper is my favorite sister, but there's no denying that the way she acted, particularly in the last three seasons, was downright toxic sometimes. She developed a real attitude problem and I wish they'd fixed it instead of normalizing it. 😑
@@weirdlybeloved Right. It doesn't help that Prue WAS AN IMPORTANT character which makes the disrespect even worse. I get that they wanted to have the sisters move on but they were all close and realistically, they would still be thinking about her, especially Piper so to see her not get mentioned much at all in the last few seasons was like a knife in the gut. And exactly, Piper is my favorite too and seeing her character act toxic and they try to make it out like you're supposed to be on her side was just awful. Sometimes it got to the point where I wondered why Leo stayed with her during the times she was just horrible to hm for no reason. lol
Right?? The disrespect towards Prue's character was HUGE. And it was huge since the beginning of her absence. They may have ended things on bad terms, but they could have made at least 1 or even 2 episodes with a better closure for Prue. They could have shown her actual death. They could have shown us what was happening during her death. How Leo tried to heal her and failed. To show the despair and agony in his eyes. The shock that Piper felt. What happened in the underworld with Phoebe? How did she come back and then figure out her sister is dead. Even maybe Prue becoming a spirit/ghost and her process in all this. GOD I'm frustrated. Instead, season 4 began, and it was like 2 episodes were skipped. And then season after season, the whole character of Prue was just kinda skipped.
Leo's powers aren't the only change to whitelighters. Originally, they're only supposed to help witches in secret while they're new to the craft before moving on to new charges. Season one is in many respects a different show than the rest of the series.
Could be! Although I wonder why they weren't enrolled when they were little? They had their powers then and if Wyatt was old enough to go, then shouldn't they have been, too? 🤔
@@weirdlybeloved I agree, it’s been over a decade since I saw the show, I always figured the shows justification was cuz something was after them which was why their powers were bound. But I definitely saw the HP bandwagon when it happened lol
I was actually really sad when you stated in your previous video that you weren‘t going to do Charmed videos for a while only to find you coming back after a little break with another half an hour long Charmed video! That is REALLY appreciated and I love your takes on it and listening to you rant about this show!
Thank you so much! I love Charmed and I'm so happy to hear that people are liking the videos! Especially since they just seem to keep getting longer and longer in length.. :D
1. My theory is that having his wings clipped essentially reset his progress as a Whitelighter, ability-wise. He didn't influence the book; He healed it, same as he can heal clothes. Levitation is normal for Whitelighters though. No idea why out of all Whitelighters that only Elders are shown using Telekinesis other than Leo. It was too early in the show for it to be a hint towards him becoming an Elder unless the twist was that he always was one, but clearly not. 2. I'd say they were being influenced by Destiny itself to convince Piper of a home birth so that the events prior to Wyatt turning Evil (the death of Paige) don't happen at all, preserving the Power of Three into their golden years? Makes the whole sudden appearance of the dad and the new evil girlfriend make more sense too. Influence failed to affect the Charmed Ones directly to have the baby at home, so Destiny did whatever it could to ensure the right timeline over-all. 3. It was the conditions surrounding Prue's marriage and not the act of marriage itself. Someone else already explained this better. As for Phoebe's Evil not affecting the Book of Shadows: It was because she never truly gave in to Evil. She was Neutral at best during her lowest period in that arc and thought that it was the best route to protect her sisters. 4. The Nexus is like a huge natural buff. Grants some new powers and increases the power of the user. I believe the Woogieman was a manifestation of all the pure Evil that their family-line had vanquished within the house. It seems likely that a lot of Evil died in pursuit of gaining control over that Nexus, so it would be understandable for something from them to reside around the prize they could never claim. The Hollow is the most powerful force in the Charmed universe. It makes you immune to and absorb magic to keep as your own. When the Hollow is sealed away again, all stolen powers are returned to their users. Users that have died between this time have their powers sent to the person last in control of the Hollow. If that person were to somehow also be dead, I assume the leftover powers would transfer to the caster(s). 5. Magic School was a set created due to budget constraints. Why the Charmed Ones didn't find out about Magic School sooner: I'd have to say it's because the Elders didn't feel as though the school would still be safe if the Charmed Ones were inside since they were always under attack, turning into some other creature, or complaining about magic ruining their lives. If you look at it another way, Magic School was only opened to them after they all truly accepted their destinies as the Charmed Ones. A more likely reason would be that Gideon lifted the restrictions from the Charmed Ones entering the school simply so that he could get closer to Wyatt. As for the exposure risks of the young Charmed Ones: Grams wiped Andy's memory, but I agree that she couldn't have caught it every single time. He probably knew of the strange ladies because she only erased the acts of magic from his memory. Though memory manipulation never seemed to be one of her powers outside of this scene. She just waved a hand, unfroze him like Piper does when she unfreezes people, and bam, no memory at the same time. Though, it's possible Patty was able to teach her some of her powerset, to an extent, allowing unfreezing. It would also make sense of how the trio could Astral Project because Prue had apparently taught it. No idea how she could possibly alter his memories unless her Telekinesis had advanced to the ability to move memories. If so, she could only move them and not completely remove or change them (unless she had like, mastery of the advancement), so he would eventually remember it all one day, which would still be horrible... Anyhow; the normality of the scene with Grams and Andy makes it seem common, which makes me wonder if that's how Andy seemed to be catching on to some things he should have completely forgotten. Perhaps Grams upped his tolerance to memory magic and there were still faint traces. On my first watch long ago, I thought he was just going to randomly bring up something, like knowing Prue was a Witch to her like he remembered it all. Lol. 6. I believe the Titans were dealt with in his timeline in the same way; though if not, it's likely that Wyatt eventually killed the Titans. The Titans wanted to be worshipped, so it's likely the world did as the gods demanded until Wyatt's time came. Chris was a liar for the benefit of the future he sought. He seemed very truthful about Paige dying from his later scenes with her, but I think he lied about when. He chose that time because Leo was to become an Elder and with his future knowledge, he could control the conditions of how as well the motivations of everyone going forward to a high degree. Tin-Foil Hat Theory: The Titans were never released in Chris' timeline / were released much later. Chris caused the events leading to their release to further his goals towards the future he sought. He orbed into the house. That wasn't his immediate destination when he traveled to the past. Very shady. 7. When Chris said "If anyone needs protecting, it’s me from you.", I knew he was going to end up being Wyatt's brother. Before that, I knew he had to a Halliwell in some way due to small things he did or said. Or like how he knows how to navigate certain locations that would be odd for someone that maybe had even visited a few times in their timeline. As for his fiancé, he was just playing her. When he kissed the Phoebe imposter, I'd like to believe they had some kind of extra influence over him. He was a little more irrational than usual than just that one scene. As for banishing Leo, no clue. I don't remember Chris being a special child or anything. May not be nearly on par with Wyatt, but may still be a little extra powerful for whatever reason. We have to assume it's something he learned from an Elder, if not that he was an Elder himself for a time, even. Be an Elder to make daddy proud, but daddy only cares about his secret family in Paris still, so he carries that angst towards Leo in the past and makes him become an Elder so that he'll never have time to meet his future secret family and Chris can have the dad he always wanted. (Jk at the end. Lol.) 8. Going to back 6., Chris was lying about when Paige died to falsely gain trust and control over the Charmed Ones in a moment of need. For the plothole in Witchstock, Patty getting dropped off to crash at that guy's sister's house doesn't mean she's a child being babysat. Lmfao! She could still be 17-19 and just likes to hang out with her aunt-in-law. Grams being super young when she had Patty makes sense for the timeframe, tbh. Allen is not Patty's father. You don't have enough fingers to count the amount of men to disappoint Grams, so it's safe to assume she had already moved past the father by this point. As for people not looking their character's age / Gram's sudden rapid aging, I'd have to say that poor casting isn't really a plothole. It's jarring, but not a plothole. As for the orbing comment: it's possible it either wasn't taken seriously, rules weren't known as well back then, or people were just good at mindin' they own business. 9. Prue came up a LOT after she died. She was brought up literally every season after her death. She was never forgotten or erased. She even stayed in the opening credits for one scene throughout the series after her departure. It would have been nice to keep pictures and all around, but they had to follow the law. They definitely did the best they could with what they had in that situation. 10. They probably felt like they were using her Premonitions as a crutch too much and toned it down too much instead.
1. You could definitely be onto something! I'm working on a video about a similiar theory someone had about Leo's healing powers, so it will be exciting to see what everyone thinks! And yeah, Leo's telekinesis and floating abilities are just.. bizarre. Like, it would have been one thing if he'd used orbs to do it, but he's just out here using straight-up witch powers lol. 2. Hmm.. it's definitely a theory, but I personally don't think it had anything to do with destiny and more a fear of exposure risk. I had forgotten there's a scene in The Day the Magic Died where Piper says that she wants to have the baby in a hospital, but wonders what will happen when they're born in swaddling orbs. 3. Actually, while Phoebe was more neutral than most evil-doers during her time as queen of the underworld, there's actually a few things a lot of people don't seem to mention a whole lot that I think really says a lot about just how low she really went during that time. 4. Fair point. 5. Mmm.. I feel like that's really a stretch, and best explained as the show just randomly decided to create a Magic School to ride the Harry Potter wave and didn't care if it made sense or not. With all the ways they've overwritten their own lore, it definitely wouldn't be the first time. 6. I think it's very possible Wyatt killed the Titans in Chris's future as well. And right?! I always wondered what Chris had been up to during the gap between him going back in time and orbing into the manor during Meta's attack. 7. Uhh.. okay? That stuff about a secret family in Paris was.. strange. 8. That's the thing, though; we actually don't know that Chris was lying about what happened to Paige, as it was never established in the show. We THINK that because of everything else he's said about Paige, but it's not something we can prove. And actually, it really DOESN'T make sense for Grams to be "super young" in the Witchstock episode. Her birthday is listed as June 23, 1930, so she should have been 37 in that episode, and she's clearly not. Also, Grams herself has stated multiple times that Allen is Patty's father/the girl's grandfather, AND he said that Paige is pretty much the spitting image of his own sister, heavily suggesting they share DNA. And I think it's safe to assume that if rules were still so harsh by the time Paige was born that Patty, Grams, and Sam all felt the need to keep Paige a secret to keep the Elders from finding out about her and punishing their family, that several decades before that that sort of thing would have been an absolute scandal. 9. Prue did not come up a LOT, though. She was brought up a fair few times in early season four, right after her death (which is natural) then a lot less as the season went on, and then maybe once or twice a season after that, IF that. And I don't remember her being in the opening credits after she left, and I doubt they would have been able to do that anyway given that Shannen had rights over her image and refused to allow them to use it. 10. Possible. It still didn't really make sense in the context of the show, though.
As for Chris, there was also another throwaway line that it was Paige who was supposedly dead, yet she was the one he went to when he needed money. Yeah, Chris lied, no doubt about it.
@@weirdlybelovedSpin City PIPER: Why are you so edgy anyway? Relax. CHRIS: Well, it's not me in there I was thinking about, it's you. I was just making sure you're okay. PAIGE: See, this is where he asks for money to go to the movies. CHRIS: Very funny. Actually, in the future, you're the one I go to for money.
@@elizabeths.3634 Omigosh, thank you!! I found the scene just in time to slip it into the latest video I did, so thank you so much for letting me know about it! Though I really can't believe that none of the Charmed Ones ever called Chris out for lying about this! Even if he was trying to protect the future, telling them their sister died when she didn't (especially after they already buried a sister) is pretty messed up. :/
@@weirdlybeloved We can head cannon that one however we want, but I suspect the real reason is the writers forgot what they wrote. Anyway, subscribed and looking forward to seeing that video. 😂
These were the clues I noticed that suggest Chris knew them in the future and - or was related to the charmed ones - something I hope you will cover in your upcoming Chris video. Oh My Goddess: (Indirect evidence - Chris already knew about the book of Shadows and was pretty comfortable using it) PIPER: What are you doing? CHRIS PERRY: What does it look like I'm doing? I'm trying to find a way to free Stone-Cold Paige over here. PIPER: Step away. CHRIS PERRY: Please, like I haven't looked in this before? By the way, you should update your goblins entry. It'll come in handy some day. (More evidence he has been there before.) PHOEBE: What are you doing over here? CHRIS PERRY: Nothing. You guys keep this stuff forever, you know that? LEO: It's too dangerous. The Elders forbid it. CHRIS PERRY: True. But then again, The Elders aren't around to stop you now, are they? That's right, Leo. This is what it's all about. This is why they had to die so you could do something they'd never do. Save the future for your family. For your son. (Chris meant himself, not Wyatt) Chris shows no romantic interest in Phoebe despite the fact that she is now the GODDESS OF LOVE because that is his Aunt. PHOEBE: Chris ... you never told us, do you have a girlfriend in the future? CHRIS PERRY: As you can see, all of you have drives and urges based on your powers. (CHRIS walks around them. PHOEBE follows him closely.) CHRIS PERRY: Don't let them distract you. All right? PIPER: I thought you needed me. (This is a small hint with how Chris trips on his wording when talking to his mother.) CHRIS PERRY: I did. I mean, I do. I need you 'cause they need you. Power of three blonds - This heavily implies he knew the sisters in the future he came from, but not solid proof.) CHRIS PERRY: Well, in all my life, I have never seen you take the bait the way that witch took it from you. (CHRIS turns around and picks up the Book of Shadows from the book stand.) PHOEBE: In all your life? You've only been our Whitelighter for two months. Loves a Witch (Lots of clues in this episode) CHRIS PERRY: What's wrong? What's wrong is I don't do babies. One and under crowd, not my thing. Leo, however ... (LEO orbs into the room.) CHRIS PERRY: ... Great with kids. (note the sarcasm in the delivery here, mirroring how bad Leo does with Chris - his son) Especially his own. CHRIS PERRY: (glances up) Oops. Looks like Wyatt needs another baby-sitter ... dad (Chris literally called Leo DAD - big clue right here) CHRIS PERRY: (to LEO) Well, it looks like we're one big happy family again. LEO: You're not family. Chris is right - Leo is wrong.
Omigosh, thank you so much! This will come in such help with the Chris video, it's so streamlined! I've been trying to make a similar list, but it keeps getting jumbled into all the notes I have from the episodes, so it's not very organized, haha.
@@weirdlybeloved You are certainly most welcome and I do hope it is helpful. Even Chris's fashion in one of the episodes was a very subtle clue as to who Chris was. He had the number 2 clearly on his shirt (representative of him being the second child.) I suspect this was intentional.
I suspect Chris met Bianca through Wyatt, so when he forgot why he was there, he also forgot his fiancee because when the day repeated and he remembered Wyatt, he didn't cheat on Bianca. We saw him reject his 'aunt' multiple times until he caught on that it was an imposter, then he was simply being manipulative and lair in an intentional attempt to turn the imposters against each other. He never truly cheated with his aunt. The Valkyrie Myst, I can't simply explain away. On that one, yeah he cheated on Bianca.
The high priestess cast a spell that would change their book of shadows and them as well. That's why she put Prue into a deep sleep while the spell took effect. Phepbe chose to go with Cole and be the evil queen, so it wouldn't effect Piper and Paige like in bride and gloom
I think they only introduced Magic School because they saw how popular the Harry Potter movies were getting and wanted to cash in on the hype. Prizoner of Azkaban came out the same year and that's when HP really took off in the main stream. It makes total sense
I believe that Magic School was the most ridiculous thing they added in the series. Through all the first seasons we watch witches practicing the craft alone or with their coven. But they were common people. There was no clue about Magical School. They tried to add a loved Harry Potter feature. They did the same thing in the past with "Blair Witch project", "Bewitched", "I dream of Jeannie" and other shows about magic. I believe Magic School ruined the authentic vibe of the first seasons.
Same here! And I also loved that the first few seasons had actual witchcraft - candles, altars, rituals.. by season five that was virtually non existent. Read a rhyme and that's all you need. 😮💨
There was a common theory that Chris was originally meant to be Phoebe and Cole's resurrected half demon son....making the shady moves make sense....but when Holly became pregnant they decided to write in a second son for Piper instead.
Don’t know about that theory, about Chris being Phoebe and Cole son. Because Phoebe was no longer pregnant, after Cole was vanquish and Chris appeared after Wyatt was born. As I don’t think that would make sense, that Chris supposed to be Phoebe and Cole child is zero chance. Like I said, Phoebe was no longer pregnant with Cole baby. Also Cole was gone for good after, he was vanquish the second time. As Chris doesn’t show any sign of Demon power to prove that theory.
@@Aaron-MackHartford Agreed! And furthermore, why would Phoebe and Cole's son have the power to orb? It was also a clue that Chris wasn't a full white lighter where both Chris and Paige can orb, but to that point in time, neither could heal.
How can Leo watch the charmed ones since they were kids when Sam was in the picture having an affair with their mother; even long enough to conceive Paige and hold onto for a few months after giving her up. At that time Prue had to be around 6 or 7; if you think about how old Prue was in the 70's episode. So when did Leo come in the picture?
Uhh.. that's a great point!! Maybe Leo HAS been watching them the whole time on the DL.. he's definitely creepy enough! I'd love to do a video on all his red flags one day.. would it be alright if I mentioned your point? I'm happy to credit you!
I love these videos. Me and my sister watched Charmed together too growing up ❤ Definitely looking forward to more Charmed lists, and reviews from this channel!
Another thing that didn't make sense was how Paige didn't suspect that Cole was possibly possessed during Season 4 and how the sisters, Leo and even Darryl, came to blame him for everything when it should've been clear that he wasn't in control of his own actions. And I agree that Phoebe was done dirty, in later seasons, and became more and more self-centered, when in Season 1, for example, we see her trying to save a man's life and getting frustrated when he doesn't want her help, because she had a premonition of him getting hit by a pink Cadillac. It honestly seems like every character was at their best when Prue was still alive. I also have to wonder how Gideon came to see Wyatt as a threat in the timeline that Chris came from, when in the main timeline, Gideon came to see Wyatt as a threat after he found out about Chris's real reason for traveling back in time to the year 2003, and was still around in 2004. And even though Chris is all over the place as a character, his death scene still makes me cry. I blame the inconsistencies with his character on the messy writing of Season 6.
Agreed!! Cole is another character who was done really dirty in the show, and having everyone blame him for something he had no control over is a perfect example of how! The sisters NEVER held being influenced by evil against anyone, even Billie, the way they did Cole, and it's sad because in the end, all Cole ever wanted was love and family, not to be evil.. 😢
Charmed was produced by Aaron Spelling. If you look at 90210 and Melrose Place you'll see that those shows had the same problems. Things like continuity, character history shoehorned in like they were there the whole time, etc
Fair point.. I've never seen most of the other shows, but Shannen said it was pretty much the same team from 90210 doing Charmed, which is why she was reluctant to work with them again. From what I've heard about Aaron he seems like a decent guy.. his team is a different story, though.
The girls were concerned about the risk of magical exposure if Piper gave birth in a hospital. Piper and Paige didn't turn evil when Phobe chose to become Queen of the Underworld because she chose that of her own free will. The house was built in the center of a pentagram which is why it is built in the center of a magical Nexus. Patty Halliwell was born on April 5, 1950, and would be 17 in 1967. She would be underage and it would be inappropriate for her to be at an adult party where alcohol is served. Penny Halliwell was born on June 23, 1930, and would have been 20 when Patty was born.
I had forgotten about the part where Piper was worrying about what would happen if the baby were born in swaddling orbs in the hospital ~ that was my bad. But in regards to Grams birthday, they had to retcon her birthday to June 23, 1930 in order for it to make sense, because originally they listed it on the family tree in Pardon My Past as June 23, 1937, which, as I said in the video, is where the conflict is.
seeing the thumbnail, without watching the video I can tell the plothole about Witchstock. apparently the actress who played their mom, wasn't available for the episode, so they made the story of the episode about grams in the 60's. the whole epiode was a mess, grams being in her 20's or 30's, her daughter being a child or teen, when she gave birth to 4 daughters in the 70's. the worst part was Leo knowing a younger grams, when they met in season 3, for the 1st time.
True! I just don't understand why if Finola Hughes became unavailable they decided to change everything else about the episode - the decade, the characters involved, the plot and how it affected the future, etc - but the ages of Grams and her husband! Seems simple enough to do, so Idk why they didn't. 🤔
I love your videos. I appreciate all the Charmed content. God knows I watched the show enough times. Its nice to listen to someone else take on the same crazy things we see. I guess this is what happens when so many ppl are writing as they film the show. But I also heard that Brad Kern always put his spin on whatever script came his way. So there's that.
Thank you so much! I really love Charmed too, it was such a great show! (though some episodes in the first season absolutely terrified me! I still have trouble watching the Dream Sorcerer episode!)
These two "didn't make sense" videos were great, and I've been a 'Charmed' fan since the early 2000s! Seasons 1-4 were the best. It all went downhill for me in season 5 when everyone was blaming Cole for the Source POSSESSING HIM!!! That's what never made sense to me, and I'm sure there could be a 5-hour video on that topic alone! Yeah, the whole Chris story never made sense to me either: He comes off as a shady stranger, and then he's Leo and Piper's sone, so why would he try to get rid of Leo (and really, he had the power to do that at the end of season 5? and in public?) then in that one episode desperately try to get him and Piper back together so that he would exist? Magic School: why ? 🙄The Cleaners: come on! So many good points, but we still love 'Charmed' anyway 😊
You make really great points! So much stuff about the later seasons just didn't make sense at all, and the way they treated Cole was just unbelievable! How many times did the sisters turn evil in the series? Cole gives up his demonic powers for Phoebe and then is literally manipulated into becoming the Source by the same chick that also manipulated her into turning into his evil queen, but Phoebe is immediately forgiven and Cole is scum on the bottom of their shoe?? Ridiculous! His character got shafted worse than almost anyone in the show, and it's pretty sad that Paige (the one who suspected him of turning evil the moment he started becoming the Source) was pretty much the only one who showed him any compassion in season 5 at all.
i mean most of the stuff that don't make sense, was becuase they changed stuff up depending on what was going with the actresses. i remember reading that Chris was supposed to be Wyatt? coming back to save his family. but then when Holly got pregnant and told them, they had to kind of soften Chris up in later recorded episodes to make him more likable. 16:25 welp made it to that part xDD 18:54 things like this could have happened before the Titans came. remember most of the stuff he knows about the enemies they face is from the Halliwell Museum that Wyatt made.
To answer your Magic School question, the girls actually DID go to the Magic School when they were young (at least Prue and Piper did), Gideon stated it. But Grams had to bind their powers because of the threat from Nicholas, so obviously they couldn't go to the Magic School without any magic. And remember that Prue and Piper had no memory of using magic when they were very small, so it makes sense that Piper wouldn't remember having been to the Magic School in the past.
@@haydenmcqueenie8987 It's implied, yes, but you suggested that Gideon stated it outright when technically all he said was that he'd met them when they were kids.
@@weirdlybeloved Hey I'm not doing too badly from memory :P I think the implication is strong enough to say that Prue and Piper probably did go to Magic School when they were very small, but obviously couldn't once their powers were bound.
I know that, out-of-universe, it was originally intended to have Patty as the focus of Witchstock instead of Grams, but the actress wasn't available. But they should have done a better job of rewriting the script, instead of just making the switch and hoping we wouldn't notice. Even a Doctor Who-like "wibbly wobbly timey wimey" would have been something.
Piper giving birth in the manor was due to Wyatt's magical powers being exposed at a hospital. I'm not sure how you missed that. The sisters don't last through the mid-point of Season 1 without Leo, so getting rid of him or all the whitelighters would not have worked for the show. Leo is actually crucial to the entire series, and his and Piper's relationship is the one solid thread that lasted the entire series.
Funny how exposure magically stopped being an issue by the time Chris - who WAS born in a hospital - was born. And agree to disagree about Leo. In my opinion his only real purpose in the show was healing the sisters, and even then that was mostly just a plot convenience. Take that away, and he's basically just a leech that spends the better half of the later seasons basically being a deadbeat dad and husband.
@@weirdlybeloved Piper had complications with Chris and he was born via C-section. I believe the compromise with Piper regarding Wyatt's birth was that she would immediately go to the hospital if there were any complications. Leo saved all the sisters' lives multiple times. He healed them, he orbed them places before Paige got there. He gave up being a whitelighter to be with Piper and then gave up being an Elder, choosing to be a mortal to be with Piper again. And even when he was just a normal mortal without his powers, he was STILL useful as the sisters primary counselor, constantly teaching them things about the magic world. He killed an Elder to save his son. Leo was the best partner Piper could have ever had, and I don't think anyone but Leo could have put up with the snapdragon that Piper became after she was thrust into the eldest sister role.
I would agree the reason the sisters were so insistent on Piper giving birth at the manor was because of Wyatt having powers from the womb whereas Chris did not, so there wasn’t that fear of exposure like there was with Wyatt.
Come to think about it, if Patty was born in 1950. In the Woodstock episode, she would be 17 in 1967 which that mean, she wouldn’t need to be supervised. Even though Penny was born in 1930, would make her 20 when she had Patty. Unless Patty was supposed to be a kid, like 5 to 10 or something if she wasn’t old enough to be on her own. But Penny supposed to be 13 or 14, when she had Patty then she would have. Be born 1936 or 37.
True, I just think Patty's age is still a bit of a question mark, since that would have made her.. about 25(?) in That 70s Episode, when her actress Finola Hughes was almost 40 in the same episode.. imho, the writers and casting directors really should have made a solid timeline and stuck to it, rather than changing/retconning things at will so things stayed consistent ~
@@weirdlybeloved Yeah, Witchstock is a fun episode, but it really ruined a lot! I mean I could see Witchstock Grams being in her late 30s, and I could see That 70s episode be in her 40s, it's just that these 2 versions could never be the same person, and in the time that passed there's no way I could believe it.
The woogy or shadow is a demon (who is a formless slow moving black cloud) who tried to absorb the nexus (a neutral power source) and like with Cole and zanku Grams trapped the shadow who merged with the nexus inside the earth with the nexus in the basement until the earthquake in season 1. In later Charmed seasons woogy/nexus became interchangeable terms that wasn't initially synonymous
My theory on Chris is, is everything changed in the future when he came back. Everyday he was in the past changed the future. I think he was a different character in every episode because his memories changed with everything he did.
The problem is that Chris himself essentially confirmed that his memories were not changing in the present when he said that so much has changed he doesn't even know what sort of future he'd be going back to. And that was before Gideon was discovered as the real threat to Wyatt, so Chris didn't even realize his mission was not yet accomplished.
If I would defend why when Pheobe became queen of the underword this didn't affect his sisters, I'd say it's because she didn't become entirely evil. This is shown by the fact that the seer had to give her some potion to erase her good side.
This happens because there are always multiple writers, and apparently they never talk to each other. In the cartoon show I watched when I was a kid, Transformers, the Autobots could fly, then an episode later they couldn't.
Lmao, right? Communication is quickly becoming a forgotten skill, especially among professionals. But you'd think if your entire job was trying to write a good, cohesive plot that you'd at least TRY.. though if what Holly and Shannen said about Brad Kern doing a polish on every script is true, then I wonder how much of that was the writing team, and how much of it was Brad 'correcting' the scripts. Ugh.. I really can't stand that guy.
With Phoebe, I think Alyssa's ego played a big part in taking the character down. After like midway through season 2, or the start of season 3 the latest, her character overall really went downhill. If you were to watch a season 1 episode then a season 6, 7 or 8 episode it's like it's not even the same character.
I think when Prue married the warlock and it turned all the sisters evil was more so the specific spell that that high priestess cast than just a charmed one marrying in/going to the dark side. The high priestess wanted the book of shadows and had to turn the whole circle dark in order to make the book evil and be able to touch it…so I think she just used specific magic to turn them all evil. But Phoebe marrying Cole and becoming an evil queen was her free will. Each sister had been turned evil throughout and hadnt affected the whole power of three, so it was proably just the specifc magic used in the episode. Good points, though
I’m the episode where phoebe married cole in season 4 she’s wearing prue’s coat that pure wore in the season 2 episode where Piper got sick. I wouldn’t have even noticed it but I saw a tik tok about it and it’s was sweet actually
21:46 I actually read somewhere that witchstock was meant to be about patty but finola was filming something else so they had to flip the script and put penny there. They should’ve just scrapped the whole episode though in my opinion
at 25:14 you said someone shouldve worn something of prues. In the episode where cole sabatoged his and pheobes first wedding when they're in the graveyard pheobe has a big furry long robe like jacket, that was prues. I don't remember which episode but Prue definitely wore it first. I always thought that was so cute because I saw this things that said "she misses her sister"😭😭😭
I do think that's really sweet! I just can't believe I never noticed it until it was pointed out to me.. there was another comment on a different video that I think actually said the episode Prue wore it in, I can try to find it!
I think the entire Titans problem is pretty much solved once you re-watch the episode with Chris going back into the future with Bianca. As in the flashback she actually tells him to keep up with his story. For me this is a clear statement that what he told the sisters and Leo in the season 6 finale was just a bunch of lies to earn their trust and not revealing himself as Pipers son. This means, the Titans were defeated back then in the exact same way as they were in Season 6. Don't forget that in the absolute final episode of the show it is established that there are in fact multiple timelines going on simultaneously - old Piper and Leo telling their younger counterparts that they have met their own future selves years ago asking the exact same questions. So yes, overall the show has many plotholes and not all of them are resolved properly. But the Titans are not one of them. Question remains if Bianca's statement was actually intended to resolve the Titan and entire Chris problem or if it was just a coincidence, once the writers decided for Chris to actually be Wyatts brother, though.
I actually just rewatched that episode and imo, what Bianca says just confused things even more. I won't say too much on why since I'm actually working on a Chris video and I don't wanna spoil it, but there are a lot of contradictions with the Titans plotline, and it's clear that the character of Chris was not very well planned.
Oops, I almost forgot to mention ~ in the final episode, there's not multiple timelines going on at once, it's different periods of the same timeline. That's why every move they make impacts the past and future, such as how Wyatt and Chris come back to find out what happened to Wyatt's powers.
Leo only started watching them when they first got their powers though, he tells this to Phoebe when she first finds him levitating when fixing the chandelier in the manor.
@@Niloaui True, but in the episode A Witch's Tail he says that he's been watching them since they were babies, and we also see him lurking around the girls before Grams even died in Pre-Witched.
What always struck me as funny, is that Leo not only healed their wounds, but their CLOTHES as well (the clothes over the wounds)! 😂 Handy guy to have around. Save a lot of money on shirts.
@@RogueSinner Ooh, I never thought of the healing ability that way, but I think you're right!! That would definitely explain a LOT of things, like OP mentioning that the clothes would be healed as well, and how Leo was able to restore the book after the girls gave up their powers! Man, it would have been awesome if the show had went further with that! 😮
@@RogueSinner Hi! Sorry to bother you again! I'm just working on another Charmed theories video, and I was wondering if you would mind if I added your theory about whitelighter healing abilities actually being a localized time reversal? I'm happy to credit you for the idea!
@Weirdlybeloved i think the reasoning behind Paige and Phoebe wanting piper to give birth in the manor wasnt because of the whole spiritual nexus thing which i feel like they just forgot about after it was established with Phoebe being the one born in the manor, but because it more or less had to do with the fact that they might have been worried about potential magical exposure due to Wyatt having powers from the womb, they didn't want to risk the exposure and thought it would be safer if piper had the baby at home but the one thing that begs the question is that if that were the case then how come Piper gave birth to Chris in the hospital if he comes from the same magical bloodline as Wyatt? I mean it can be argued with the fact that Leo was technically an elder at the time that he and Piper had sex in the astral plane when she got pregnant with Chris and because of the fact that Elders are supposed to be much more powerful and stornger then whitelighters I've heard over the years of people saying that therefore because of that Chris should be more powerful then Wyatt but no one points that or anything. That's been something that has buged me for a while.
Right?! Chris absolutely should have been just as powerful as Wyatt if not stronger, but the show seemed to go out of its way to make him weaker than Wyatt, and I just don't understand why.. :/
@@EmeraldCanary13 to me the reason chris isn't as powerful as wyatt is because wyatt is the firstborn child of a charmed one remember in season 4 it was said that when phoebe was pregnant 🤔
Yeah, I never really liked him either. He always came across as such an arrogant brat that by the time he was revealed as Piper and Leo's son, it was like.. ughhhh, you've gotta be kidding me! Lol.
I think if you like Charmed you should definitely check out Once Upon A Time because that was an awesome show with a lot of fun plot points that if you think about them don’t make a lot of sense and I’d love to see/hear your thoughts on it.
@@weirdlybeloved Awesome, also thanks for the actual reply b/c I’ve recommended things to people and haven’t gotten a response either way which is understandable with how busy I know you guys who do these reactions are but still I appreciate the response.😊😊😊
@@GoddessGirl2121 Of course! My responses can be a bit slow, but I do try to respond to everyone! I feel like if someone's kind enough to watch my videos and leave me a comment, then the least I can do is reply! 🥰
I’m rewatching episodes and more things pop up- when Prue becomes an empath - Leo feels resentment towards Piper for paying for the lunch that he invited himself and Piper to with Phoebe and Cole, he knew he had no money(whitelighter pay sucks) yet he invited himself to a meal which inevitably has to be paid for - what was Piper supposed to do? Do a dine and dash? He resents Piper for something that was his fault in the first place
Omigosh I completely forgot about that!! Honestly, if anyone has reason to be bitter, it's Piper, not Leo! She never got nearly enough credit for supporting her family the way she did. The only (paying) job Leo had was when he worked AT the club in season 2; Phoebe didn't have a stable job until season 4, and even then it wasn't long before she moved out; and Paige had a stable job until season 5, when she quit and then only worked sporadically for the rest of the series. Prue was really the only one that actually helped support the family with any stability, and after she died it was pretty much on Piper alone to provide for four adults and two children. She deserves so much more credit than she gets.
Leo did not invite himself. Victor insisted on lunch with both couples so he could approve the guys that his girls were with. Leo's unease was due to looking bad in front of Victor who was looking for reasons to not like him in the first place. If Leo had any resentment it was just for being put in that situation in the first place, which was on Victor, not Piper.
@@shawnn7502 What are you talking about? Victor wasn't even there, it was a lunch date between Phoebe and Cole and Leo ABSOLUTELY invited himself; Cole: (to Phoebe) Okay then, ready for lunch? Phoebe: Mmm. Leo: Lunch would be great. Would you mind if we join you? I mean, it'd be great. Two couples, on the town, in the real world. What could be greater? Cole: (to Phoebe) It's up to you. Phoebe: Why not?
@@weirdlybeloved I was referring to Just Harried, I believe. I had forgotten about the diner scene in Primrose Empath. I went back and watched those scenes in Empath, and Leo did invite Piper and himself because Piper wanted to have a normal relationship. He did it for her, which she told him she did appreciate later. He didn't resent Piper for paying as obviously someone had to pay; he resented her because he tried to do a normal lunch date, like a normal couple, for her, and he ended up being humiliated in front of Cole. Piper was very understanding about the entire thing and told Leo how much she appreciated him, and they quickly made up.
@@shawnn7502 Dude, we already know all that. You're the one who didn't. Trying to save face by attempting to explain a scene you were already wrong about is not a good look. I'm not even sure why you didn't at least double-check your facts before trying to "correct" them, given that the original commenter explicitly mentioned Phoebe and Cole and the empath thing, so you should have already realized something was up before you started going off about Victor. But in any case, you were the one who was mistaken, and I think you owe the original commenter an apology for coming at them for no reason.
I always wondered why they didn’t show a picture of child prue. Surely there was a pic from that 70’s episode, or retrieved a photo from the child actress. No, the kid pic was of piper. Talk about a snub.
@@weirdlybeloved and yet they showed her back in cat house! If it’s a stunt double, it’s the same stunt double from the original episode because the footage is identical although apparently Shannen mostly did her own stunts.
@@cristoferchanimak That's what I always wondered! It's hard to believe they just kept everything - down to the motorcycle - and could just recreate the scene for the sake of a couple-second flashback!
The nexus woggy difference is the nexus is just a spiritual point of great power while the woggy is a shadow demon that lives in the basement and has been feeding off the nexus to become stronger and spread evil.
Thanks but I'm still confused tho.😢 So that means when Cole, Leo and Zankou took in the Nexus, they were actually taking in the Shadow? Because the only way the Nexus was removed from Cole and Leo was to cast the spell to banish the Shadow. So that just means the Shadow was the Nexus, right?
The Nexus and the Woogyman are the same thing. The name Woogyman was a nickname that Phoebe gave to the Nexus when she saw it as a child. Their is no difference it was just a nane a child came up with to explain the nightmare creature she witnessed.
I just don't understand why if the nexus is supposed to neutral until it's influenced by whoever has possession of the manor, and at that time the people who had possession were the good witches of the Warren line, why the nexus was evil when it possessed Phoebe? 🤔
@@weirdlybeloved After a lot more research I'm finding conflicting information. Some sites state the Woogyman and Nexus are the same and some sites have the Woogyman as a demon that was banished to the Nexus. This does make more sense for me as the Nexus has always had the same 'description' both on screen and online. If the Woogyman is a demon trying to spread evil this would explain why Phoebe becomes evil when she is possessed. It's not the Nexus changing her it's the Woogyman itself.
The problem I think more is they cast an actress in her 50s and she looked it (not saying that as an insult to Jennifer Rhodes, just she didn't look in her 40s in That 70s Episode). If they established it as canon with the casting that Grams had once been a teen/pre teen mom it would make sense. Instead it comes across as a plot hole. They were all over the place with the ages and other important dates, as shown with that family tree listing Penny as dying first which was impossible 😭🤣
@@keisha_james I second this ~ Grams having Patty young would be weird to me since it doesn't seem to fit her character, but the real problem stems from having Grams look to be in her late 20s/early 30s in 1967, when she was clearly at least in her late 40s/50s in That 70's Episode. She aged 20+ years in an 8 year time span?? No way. And that's before all the errors in the family tree lol..
Phoebes hair was the always had the cutest hairstyles in my opinion the micro bang on her didn't look great except when she cut it short toward the end of S5 that was kinda cute❤i always find it fastnating you can always tell what season your in based on Phoebe's hair color/style(or at least i can)😂😂
The Woogy and the nexus were the same thing. Both Phoebe and Cole got possessed by it, in seasons 1 and 5 respectively. It just did different things based on whether good or evil had control of the manor. Good got a power boost, but it enabled evil to spread. Season 6 originally aired in 03-04. When Harry Potter was really frigging popular. I think Magic School was just a spin on that. And as far as Chris in The Power of Three Blondes, he knew that that wasn't Phoebe when he kissed her. Miffy or whatever her name was. I didn't notice the family tree before but there's another one. It says Jack, Grams' husband and Patty's dad, died in 1964, the year after Grams did. Which we know isn't true because Grams died in the 90s and Jack (later called Alan in season 6) died in the 60s. Hell if Grams had died in the 60s she never would have met her granddaughters, let alone raised 3 of them. Since they were all born in the 70s.
Nice catch on the family tree! Man, they really should have paid more attention to that.. so many plotholes! About Chris though, I'm not so sure.. other commenters have pointed out several examples of how it's possible Chris could have still believed it was Phoebe and/or how weird it was that Chris says he slept with her and she didn't argue it.. sooooo creepy lol. Even if he knew it wasn't Phoebe, kissing someone who looks like your aunt is just.. 🤢
I missed the old Phoebe it pisses me off how she changed so much after season 3. She irritated me alot in season 5 and 6 she blamed everything on Cole and was always so quick to blame something on anyone but herself. She became so selfish to and I will never understand why it’s ridiculous to me
@@bryannoelle Right? Phoebe could be self-centered in the early seasons (like throwing a fit over being last on the shower schedule when Piper and Prue were the ones who had to be up early to go to work) but for the most part, her heart was in the right place. She was downright ridiculous in the later seasons, though. Everything always had to revolve around her and whichever guy she was with at the time. 🙄
No that wasn't the case, Shannen WANTED to come back a few times but Brad Kern refused to pay her because he said "I could bring back Leo, grams, mom, dad, every magical creature from the community, or spend all that money to pay one person (Shannen). She did ask for a big amount $$ but she wanted to come back, Brad Kern was stubborn and didn't want her. Watch his season 8 interviews
With the patty in witchstock, crashing doesn't mean baby sitting. She could've been 15 or something and being kept away from the and creep leo/sungod. Lol.
It’s been awhile that Phoebe she never had her premonition she didn’t become a telepath and then her powers were removed and then she got her promotion back since these comic witches the three Blondies were trying to take over them and then she punched a blonde witch in the nose and then this is where she start to get premonition back
I just rewatched the Allan haliwell scene when he says patty is at his sisters he said nothing about patty being babysat just that she staying the night there
18:45 not the snarky Phil in the Future reference. Girl you crack me up. I can't with you 🤦🏾♂️😂🤣 I have never found anyone who has the same loathing for S6 and that Chris *Perry* character as I do lol And ps yes i use his *real* name because i still refuse to believe he's a Halliwell lol FTR i don't think Paige died when the Titans arrived. I think that was one of the many lies he told. In the spider episode, he said Paige was the aunt he went to the most to ask for money in the future. Which btw is weird because in the Titan episode, he was eyeing Paige up sexually when they first met so maybe he was supposed to be her love interest misusing magic before they thought of Richard. Chris was just all round strange. Strange!!! Anyway thank you so much for this cathartic video. Youre my spirit animal. Blessed be 🙏🏾 😌
Haha, I'm so glad you liked the reference!! I was seriously considering doing the Phil theme song too, but I thought that would be a bit much, haha.. 😆 And WHAT?! OMG, I completely forgot about the scene where Chris says that, otherwise I definitely would have included it! Jeez, I feel like there needs to be a video deconstructing all Chris's many lies and how he really wasn't a very nice person.. 🤔
I can excuse the Titans/Paige dying thing with just "Chris is lying out of his ass to cover up what he is here for". I feel like a lot of things were forced by Holly's pregnancy, but I feel it's not That Bad, but I might be biased (season 6 is a hot mess but it's MY hot mess, ya feel). There were a few breadcrumbs on a rewatch, like hinting he had known the sisters "all his life" (in the episode with the Stillman sisters), his disdain for Leo (daddy issues aren't unknown to the family, as Prue herself had huge daddy issues) is always there. Sure a lot of it feels like them grasping at straws, but I feel like they did the best they could. I feel like they could have leaned harder into his moral ambiguity that was there originally (Chris is responsible for my affection for characters who come back from the bad future to try to change it by any means), but I am prooooobably very biased. I love the idea of a Halliwell willing to get his hands dirty and do morally grey things to stop an awful future from happening. And by the time he kissed not-Phoebe he already KNEW that was not the real Phoebe. He figured it out, because "all his life he had known them, he had never seen them take the bait like that". Still gross, because his memories still gotta be with fake-Phoebe being his aunt, but like. At least he KNOWS its not REALLY her. Do you know what plot hole really drives me insane about this show? Well, two things. One - time travel. How does time travel even work???? Sometimes changing the past rewrites the future (Witchstock - Penny staying a hippie makes her present ghost self a hippie too, like she never changed), or Season 7, when Wyatt is influenced he changes to his evil self, and when the imaginary friend shit is dealt with, he becomes good again. Other times it's... nonsense. Like in Forever Charmed - if the Jenkins sisters took Wyatt's powers, how come adult Wyatt "suddenly lost his power"? Why would he even remember having powers if they were taken when he was a child? HOW DOES TIME TRAVEL WORK, IT MAKES NO SENSE, PICK TO ONE WAY AND STICK TO IT, CHARMED. Not to mention the entire season 6, where despite Chris changing the past all the time, HE doesn't seem to remember any new timeline, and he doesn't seem to change at all. The only way it seems like there is anything going on, is Piper drinking the potion to turn Chris back from being a spider demon. As biased as I am about season 6, the time travel end of it, as compelling is it to me, it does mess up the mythology a LOT (And then there is the Lady Godiva stuff where even though the past changes the sisters still remember what's up. But in the episode where Cole kills Paige before she becomes a Charmed One, everything changes, and the only reason Paige remembers is because she sneeze-orbed when time was rewritten. SO MANY INCONSISTENCIES ABOUT HOW TIME TRAVEL AND TIME BEING REWRITTEN WORKS) Two - Cole. Just the "well you chose to become the source of all evil" retcon. No the fuck he didn't. But enough people already ranted about that enough times. We probably all know how annoying that is at this point.
Lol, fair enough ~ and I had forgotten about Chris's line about knowing the sisters 'all his life' until I rewatched that part for a recent video! Guess there were more breadcrumbs than I thought, haha.. though I still think Chris was intended to be a villain, but they switched gears when they learned about Holly's pregnancy. He just came off waaaay too sinister in the beginning, you know? And right?! Charmed waffled on their rules of time travel so much that it's honestly getting hard to find any consistency at all! I just rewatched A Witch In Time and was mentally screaming at how easy it was for Bacarra to create a ripple and travel back in time six months! Like honestly, if I were Piper I would have just stayed in there until it rewound all the way back to the day Prue died and ran out and saved her. UGH, so frustrating! If a random bad guy like Bacarra could do it, then the Charmed Ones should have been able to do it too! And yeah, what the show - and the sisters - did to Cole was simply unbelievable. And I like how Phoebe - who actually DID choose to be evil, unlike Cole - is welcomed back with open arms, but Cole who was manipulated and tricked every step of the way is persona non grata. I mean, Phoebe wasn't even glad to see that her husband wasn't in a demon hellscape anymore! You would think that she'd at least be glad he didn't have to suffer THAT fate, but no.. she just calls him an evil bastard and acts like he's to blame for everything. Phoebe is just.. oof. She's definitely my least favorite sister for a reason.
The titan loophole would have made sense if you account for the charmed ones changing the time line by defeating the titans. Time line 1, titans rule, no power of three yada yada yada. Chris goes back in time, changes stuff and titans are gone, which would also affect the future obviously, so if he would go back he would step in time line 2. As the titan line is no longer existing, if we go with how they did the future stuff in other episodes, chris should have his memories altered thanks to the titans no longer ruining everything which opened the path for wyatt to become evil as the source of why chris traveled back in time. They never used that trick to alter the present when the charmed ones would go back in time as far as i remember ( well, aside from the shax situation, but that was more of a demon thing where they kept rewinding time so that shax would succeed instead of the charmed ones rewinding time. Makes you wonder why demons didn't do that more times, if they had that kind of power though ) since it would mess the continuity up but other characters traveling from the future to the present? Fair game for manipulation so that the future would be different.
Hi! I actually pinned a comment on my Charmed Theories - Revisited video regarding the Chris future thing, so I can just copy/paste that here and if you have any questions please let me know! (from the pinned comment) It's highly unlikely that Chris's memories of the future were being altered as things changed in the present, as he still remembers much of his future (about Bianca, about the Valkyries, that the blob needed all three sisters to defeat, that whatever happens to Wyatt happens before he is born, etc.) and before he goes back to the future in It's A Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad World he repeatedly expresses that he doesn't know what sort of future he's going back to or what to expect after all the changes.
Okay I have to do it😂😂😂 1. Leo healed the BOS. His powers are healing. The orbs are all energy they can manipulate it according to how the Elders imbue them with it. Remember how the Elders control their powers. 2. They needed him to be born in the Manor so that he could learn to overcome the greatest evil. If he was born in a hospital he wouldn't have been as strong. Gideon might have succeeded. 3. Because it was a marriage not a spell 4. The Nexus is like the physical body of a human, the Woogey is like the unconscious manifestation of the psyche of a human. Every magical thing has 4 aspects: Nexus, Woogey, Manor, Book of Shadows. The Nexus is Mass. Woogey is the "demonic side". The BOS is the good side and the Manor is the container of the Nexus. 5. Harry Potter cash grab. 6. Because he changed the future. When you change one event you alter everything By saving Paige he altered the Future. That includes memories of the future too! His main character plot was that every time he tried to save the future it would go awry. That's how Wyatt turned evil. You put out 1 fire and another one springs up. 7. He's hot. What else do you need. They wanted to do a twist so they hid the pregnancy. Imagine how alone Chris felt. He was holding the weight of being Charmed all on his own. If he failed the entire world would end. He had no-one to talk to unlike the sisters who had each other. 8. Time Travel Paradox Resolution rules apply. People had kids at young ages in those days. It was a different time. For practical reasons casting different actors helps the emotional tone of the show. -Grams was high she didn't know what she was saying back then. 9. Well that one is pretty obvious. 😂😂😂 I mean if Rose accused Alyssa of Human Trail king on national TV I think we can forgive Shane for leaving and the show for never mentioning her again. 10. Their powers are linked to their emotions and as the show goes on, Phoebe gets more and more self centred. I mean in episode 2 she tried to win the lotto. In Season 2 she got executed for using her powers for personal gain. She becomes a celebrity etc. Her visions reflect that. I agree with you that she's the strongest. She feels everything out first and then acts. Also her lust saves the world in Apocalypse Not. If she wasn't attracted to that demon they wouldn't have found a solution. If she wasn't attracted to Cole, he wouldn't have hesitated in killing them. This was fun. Can't wait for part 3.
1) It's just weird that the orbs were never shown to be a controllable entity before or after this, you know? 2) Idk.. I don't think they knew anything about Wyatt supposedly being so powerful until after they had already decided to have a home birth, and even then they said something about worrying he'd be born in orbs and that's why they wanted it at home, not anything about power. 3) True, but it still feels like Phoebe becoming the Queen of all evil would have had SOME effect. 4) Huh.. that's very interesting! 5) Yup. 6) The problem with that is that Chris arrived the day Paige supposedly died, so that's when the butterfly effect started. For Paige to have been alive to fight the blob with her sisters, it would have had to happen before that point in time, as the period before Chris arrived was completely unaltered by his time travel. 7) Being hot doesn't mean his story makes sense at all lolll 😂 8) That's a bit TOO young though, and it feels like it was something that would have been explained somewhere in the show, given that they went out of their way to give us a complete backstory on everything else, you know? 9) As I said in the video, I think it's more about what it says in-universe and to the fans who watched that trio for three years than the behind-the-scenes issues. 10) So true lol.
@@weirdlybelovedJust wanna comment on. 6 real quick. It actually wouldn’t. From the time Chris arrived to the time he died, everything he did altered the future. Depending on how the writers were trying to write in time travel, every time he went back, things would have been different. So when he saved Paige from the titan, that would have changed his future to include her. The only thing I’d like to know is how he knew Paige helped to fight the blob… was he constantly travelling back and forth to check what changed or was his memories updated with each change that was made?
@@austinzwicker3662 Yeah, that's what I'm saying ~ Chris arriving altered the future, not the past, so in Chris's future Paige would have already been long dead when the blob showed up.
@@weirdlybeloved I see what you’re saying but I think the idea was that Chris’s memories were changing as he was changing the future. So when he changed Paige’s death, she was then there for the blob and his memory also changed to reflect that. Or the writers just weren’t thinking things through while writing the show 😂 … I like my thought tho. Kinda makes more sense
@@austinzwicker3662 I don't think that's the case, since Chris mentioned multiple times that after all the changes he's made, he doesn't know what sort of future he'd even be going back to, so that tells us his memories of the future are unaffected by changes made in the present.
The Nexus and the Woogy/Shadow feel like careless writing but I head canon it to mean that the Nexus is the location/power source and the Woogy is just a demon that feeds off it, and that they just look similar. Charmed had a horrible habit of making references to past seasons without actually rewatching the episodes they referenced. Like Paige forgetting how Piper and Paige vanquished the Source (she was there!!!! *throws shoe at tv*), Baccarra using one heart to diesmpower them (Tuatha needed 3 hearts and she was more powerful--also why was this evil spell in the Book of Shadows?!?! It was in Tuatha's BOS, and in s5 now it's in theirs?), and Phoebe telling Paige Piper was once engaged to a warlock (when she was never engaged to Jeremy).
Omigosh, nice catches!! I never noticed that about Tuatha's book, and that 'engaged' thing always confused me! Wow.. I love Charmed but continuity was not its strong point, lol. But hey, at least it keeps the show from getting boring, haha. in fact, I'm actually working on another 'ten things that didn't make sense' video, would you mind if I mentioned those two things? I would be happy to credit you!
“Good witches don’t freeze” if I remember correctly the sisters have been frozen before also when Piper tried to freeze prue when she attacking them should won’t freeze but when phoebe was possed by the woogyman she froze why? And I remember correct he froze because she was turned evil but so was prue when she was using her power for evil
I was pleased by the end Phoebe got. In fact, I never liked her character after season 1. She was transformed into that i'm-in-love in almost every episode and was too sexualised to my taste. Granted Alyssa is pretty and everything but she was given too many storylines, and too much time. Paige deserved much much better...Piper got a great ending, I was happy to see the older version of herself with her grandkids.. Phoebe is, to me, what Carrie was for SATC : me me me me me....
5:56 I think it made sense that Phoebe and Paige didn’t want Piper to give birth at a hospital, since Wyatt was born surrounded by orbs. However, they could have just rented a place or something 😭 Prue would have kicked both of them in the head for just suggesting that lol.
Okay about the Titan thing it is possible that originally the Titans took over the world in Chris future but then when he went back in time to save the charmed ones the events that took place there may have erased the Titan's from Chris future creating a new future where Wyatt is still evil because as we know Wyatt was always evil in Chris future but maybe changing the past somehow eliminated the Titans from the future.
That's a great point! I definitely wondered about that, but didn't Chris say at the end of the season five finale that he wouldn't even know what kind of future he'd be going back to with the Titans defeated? That makes me think that Chris is unaware of what sort of butterfly effect the changes made in the present are having on the future..? I'm really not sure! Chris's plotline is such a mess that it's hard to tell if he's lying or it's just bad writing! 🤔
That scenario wouldn't add up either. If the Titans were in control, Wyatt would have never turn evil because the Charmed Ones, Wyatt the entire magical community would have spend their entire lives evading and trying to defeat the Titans, and Wyatt wouldn't have become evil because he wouldn't have had a chance to. Unless, of course, Wyatt managed to defeat the Titans and take over. However, that seems implausible since we know Wyatt turns evil due to Gideon's constant attempts to kill him and it is not like he going to defeat the Titans and then suddenly take over himself . Now you might argue that Chris altered the future when he travelled back in time to save his aunts, creating a new timeline. But if that were the case, why didn't he acknowledge that killing the Titans resulted in a new set of memories? He could have stated that he now has two set of memories one where Titan ruled and the other where his brother ruled but he lived in timeline where the Titans ruled. However his memories of the original timeline remained unchanged, showing Wyatt had always been in charge and evil. Also, when Chris visited the future, there was no mention of the Titans and he seemed to know how to evade his brother tech like he has always evaded it, and same with the woman he interacted (like he has always know her, and not because of the new timeline or new memories). There was also nothing mentioned about the old timeline where Titans ruled. Finally, Chris has always stated to the sisters that he travelled back in time to stop Wyatt. The titans plot didn't make sense either way you look at it, so maybe Chris just lied about the Titans ruling the future or maybe the writers didn't have a clear idea where they wanted to go with Titan plot.
@@weirdlybelovedI completely agree that Chris's storyline didn't make much sense. Granting him the power to banish an elder seemed out of place, and his apparent conflict with Leo added to the confusion, and on top of that Chris has stated that he learned to "orb" among other things from his aunt ...but if she died then how did he learn it, so many inconsistent. Also, it's worth noting that Chris's girlfriend from the future managed to knock out Leo, an elder with significant powers. Leo's abilities appear to be inconsistent, fluctuating between moments of strength and weakness. Ps Also, when Phoebe first discovers that he is a Whitelighter after she catches him floating lol, he also demonstrates the ability to heat things up. This is shown when he heats the tea in her coffee mug to the point there is steam.
I always wondered why max, the boy from season 1 with psycokenesis, didn’t have a white lighter until Leo kind of barely stepped in? Like I never got the policy of who gets a white lighter and who doesn’t
@@ursulacg Right? Especially since Max's mom was a witch too, so she should have had a whitelighter that could have at least looked after him until he got one of his own..
The titans not ruling chris’ future can be explained away as a lie because he couldn’t tell them that Wyatt would be evil in the future and he was trying to get the sisters to trust him and Leo out of the way
But he had told them about Wyatt by the very next episode (season six premiere) so I'm not sure why he couldn't have told them right when he came back from the future? 🤔
@@KillStealMusic True! And now that I think about it, didn't Leo have memory dust or something in one episode? In the worst case scenario, couldn't they have just used that or something to make the doctors forget what they saw? 🤔
@@weirdlybelovedThey could have used it but I do remember Leo telling the girls that the Elders don’t like using memory dust because you never know what said person is forgetting; Appointments, Meetings, plans etc. Though, if they had Wyatt in a hospital they could have had the cleaners help. I do believe Leo at least knew about them.
If you give the writers waaaay more credit than I think there due, you could argue that Chris originally came back to stop the titans but once he’d done that the future changed meaning Wyatt would turn evil, meaning his internal character motivation would have shifted without Chris realising it himself because the future he came from had changed. Viewing the character as constantly being subject to the butterfly effect could also possibly explain some other inconsistencies but it still doesn’t address him messing with Piper and Leo and I think it’s definitely a stretch.
@@JayT-g7l Well said! Something I've also been wondering lately is.. Chris supposedly came back to stop Wyatt turning evil and it was Gideon that caused that, but Chris said that in his future ALL of the Elders were killed so.. hour did that apparently happen?? So many inconsistencies!
That could be explained that in his timeline it's written off that Leo found out that Gideon tried to turn Wyatt evil and in the history books it is said that the Titans killed all the elders and whitelighters (since history is always changed in real life) or that he lied bc he was a known liar
Yeah.. Piper has been my favorite sister since I was little, but the more I watch the later seasons the more I'm like.. wow, when did she start being that mean? 😳 I think you're right about Paige, because as much as she got tired of being a witch, saving the innocent almost always came first.
One thing which keeps coming up with questions when Phoebe overcome her Fear with the Woogeyman? We learn in Season 1 she is afraid about the Basement because of the Woogeyman, and The Woogeyman is one of her most Fear. but when she's not afraid of him? When was the Time, she overcome that fear? We never see that happen and thats bug me a little bit, because in Season 2 Episode 1, he's comes back and she still afraid about him and next appearance is in Season 5 and that's so odd, because she has no fear anymore about that. It could be soo cool, if we actually see that happen in a Episode focussing around that, maybe season 3 or 4. that she really overcome that Fear and next time in Season 5 then it would be makes more sense.
I wondered that, too! I suppose it's implied that the confirmation that her childhood monster was actually real and vanquishing it helped her overcome her fear, but.. Idk. I feel like if I was in her place, I would have always been at least a little afraid of it no matter what, you know?
@@weirdlybeloved yeah i totally agree with that. and that's was actually we seeing in Season 2, she still is afraid it, and i get it, that the idea was, after everything she's been trough with Cole, she more Fearless, but still. it's came out of nowhere and it could be more Character Development if we just can see that happen. Or showing us, she still has a little fear about the Shadow of The Nexus/Woogeyman, but no, they kept that until the end. what a shame.
In S2 when she saw the Shadow again it was a surprise. But not so much in S5. She was expecting it. So also went down the stairs with some apprehension. Not as confidently as she normally would. And also by that time, 3yrs had passed and she had vanquished the Source of Evil twice already. I don't think a childhood story would have the same effect on her as it used to. But I take the point that they could have acknowledged that somehow. Although we can argue that since she and Cole were sword fighting in the basement in S4 that she's not as scared as she used to be.
The Magic School thing is one of the biggest annoying things brought in later though to be fair as I've shared before, I loathed the magical fairytale CW type style the show went to after Constance's departure. Anyway it's annoying because it was so clearly just an excuse to rip off Harry Potter that was popular at this time. And you can tell by how sloppily it was introduced for the reasons you mentioned like if it really was a thing, why didn't Grams enrol them in there? And considering how in the later half of the show when Gideon is defeated, they hardly ever go back to magic school and that even the elders were planning on closing the school down and couldn't give less of a damn preserving it until Paige steps up to run it. It's just so tacky, so awful, just horrible writing all around lol And the Witchstock episode, I still remember hearing the fact checking of Gram's age and how she was 14 when she got knocked up with Patty, was all kinds of what the actual f*ck LMAO And you brought up a funny inconsistency of Gram's age/appearance that literally happens in the same episode, how in the hell can she age 20 years in a few months? Silly madness haha. The Prue erasure was especially heinous. Like fine whatever, they couldn't bring her back but they could've still left some mementos like you suggested. They actually kinda did this in the season 4 debut with Piper wearing Prue's leather jacket but it was only for that episode. They should've had it be a regular thing she wore that could symbolize that Prue was always with her in spirit through that jacket and by wearing it, she feels the strength of her older beloved sister within her keeping the original power of three meaning intact metaphorically. And Phoebe. Just... AWFUL. She went from the heart of the show to one of the worst. It's like two different characters... But let's be honest, I feel like most of these plot-holes wouldn't have come up had Constance stayed on and they allowed her to continue being a writing force for it since it was her idea and even if she was making it up as she went, I just feel like she would remember more things versus Kern who clearly wasn't that interested in the lore of the story.
Same here! Magic School was annoying enough as it is, but the fact that we had to hear about it almost EVERY episode afterwards was like.. omigosh, can the writers PLEASE give it a break already? And I had forgotten the Elders were just going to straight-up shut down the school! Wow, they really ARE terrible, aren't they? One Elder goes rogue and they decide to completely abandon the idea altogether. They clearly didn't care about the welfare of anyone involved.. Ugh.. they're just awful. And right?! Prue deserved SO much better, in every way. I didn't realize until the Charmed Theories - Revisited video that it turns out Phoebe actually did end up wearing some of Prue's clothes later on, but still.. they were so disrespectful to her memory, and they really took the saying 'out of sight, out of mind' to heart when it came to her. So sad. :( Also agree! Brad Kern is the worst. Not only did he oust Constance from the show, but he went on to ruin every bit of character development she had made. What an awful human being.. whoever decided it would be better for him to run the show than Constance should have been fired right along with Brad himself.
“Good witches don’t freeze” if I remember correctly the sisters have been frozen before also when Piper tried to freeze prue when she attacking them should won’t freeze but when phoebe was possed by the woogyman she froze why?
Also didn’t Grams freeze Piper with a spell? I’d say that “quick as a sneeze” freezing spell uses the same time stop magic Piper has, as it even has the same base sound effect. Honestly it seems more like Piper just doesn’t freeze her sisters/good witches, maybe that’s just Piper being able to selectively not freeze certain people?? Ugh this is so confusing.
For your Chris point there were some lines before Chris Crossed that hinted at it but some are stretches, Two off the top of my head: in the blondes one Chris says “in all my life…” to which Phoebe even questions the wording that Chris dismisses and doesn’t bring up again. Another moment (the stretchy one) is when Paige is teasing Leo about the sun god name and Chris is in the back of the shot losing his mind - it feels like when a kid learns about their parent’s past, could just be me projecting but that’s the vibe I got. There was at least one or two more but I can’t remember off the the top of my head.
Yeah, that line was always a big clue in to me that he knew then far better than they believed and it’s not like the writers let it go without mention, they have Phoebe directly comment on it (subtly wasn’t really there thing at one point). That’s also why I’ve never understood why the fandom thinks Chris actually slept with Blonde Phoebe. He says they did but she denies it and before they can further speak on it, the infighting starts. Not to mention the very same episode has him firmly and wholly deny her advances. I’ve always seen it as a ploy by him after the stunt in the sun room because he was suspicious of them. He claims to sleep with blonde Phoebe to egg on the fight between the Stillman Sisters. Nothing more or less than that.
Ooh, nice catches!! I'm going to have to re-watch those episodes, because I really wanna see that! So it's The Power of Three Blondes and... Witchstock?
@@weirdlybelovedPS: Later comment in Loves a Witch CHRIS PERRY: (to LEO) Well, it looks like we're one big happy family again. LEO: You're not family. Obviously, Chris was right and Leo was wrong.
@@coldcoder3138 Exactly! It's not like anyone would have remembered answering the question anyway, so it was Prue's golden opportunity to get to the bottom of her suspicions about them!
I love your videos! One thing that really doesn't make sense is how much more powerful Wyatt is than Chris. Wyatt is the son of a whitelighter and a charmed one but Chris is the son of an ELDER and a charmed one. And for that matter, Paige IS a charmed one and the daughter of a whitelighter and is nowhere near as powerful. Wyatt seems to have unlimited power and Chrs just has telekinesis (in addition to his whitelighter powers). And Wyatt has all this power before he even turns 3!
Wyatt was the firstborn though, and Piper's son. She was the oldest sister by that point so she was the strongest. Plus there was all that other stuff going on when he was born. It was the Sabbath and the Aurora Borealis and something else I forget. That's why Wyatt was more powerful.
I know what you're talking about when he was born, The Day Magic Died. The Aurora Borealis did happen that night but I don't think that's why he was powerful. He was already so powerful before he was even born. You might be right, that it's because he's the first born but I still think Chris should've been a little more powerful since he is also Piper's son and Leo was an elder. Why didn't he inherit any elder abilities since those things were usually passed down? There's just such an extreme difference in power between the boys.
@@BrieB-dy5mb There really is. Especially since Elders seem to have a wider range of abilities than whitelighters - like lightning throwing, sense what's going on in and around the world - but Chris wasn't just less powerful than Wyatt, he was just less powerful in general, and it really doesn't make sense at all. :(
chris, saying there was no breadcrumbs,,, he knew the Stillman sisters were fake, and in the earlier episodes both Prue "nice orbs" and Phoebe hit on Leo, so theyve never had strong boundaries, but when it comes to the big reveal, Phoebe asks did she ever hit on him, and Chris is "ew no", but none of them ever crossed the line... iirc
Phoebe did hit on him though. In Oh My Goddess, after they transform. She asks "Do you have a girlfriend in the future?" and it's obvious she was attracted to him then. Why in the hell they put that in there I will never know. Regardless of which story was true (that he was her son or her nephew) they're blood relatives and it's disgusting.
Hmm.. there's a lot of things about Chris that didn't add up, so it's kind of hard to tell when Chris is lying or it's just bad storytelling, but Phoebe definitely did hit on him after becoming a Goddess.. also I think you meant to say Paige, as Prue had already passed on by the time Chris arrived ~
Me too! I mean, they hired someone to look like her from the back in the episode Cat House, so it stands to reason that they could have just gone all the way and like you said, hired a look a like! Heck, maybe they could have brought back the little girl that played little Prue in That 70's Episode, because she honestly did look a LOT like Shannen Doherty!
I recently found out that Shannon owned her likeness and the character Prue's likeness; I guess that's why in the books/comics she had to be made a blonde. @@weirdlybeloved
They were pushing hard for Piper to have a home birth due to risk of magical exposure. They didn’t know what would happen when the baby came out in “swaddling orbs” 😂 but the point about him and Phoebe both being born there and then being swayed to both good and evil is very very very interesting and I never picked up on that!
This was a really good fucking video you really know your stuff about charmed 😫
@@gillysummerss Thank you so much! ❤️
@@weirdlybeloved hi okay I was watching season 6 of charmed and noticed a couple of things 1 in the episode where Paige meets Richard and the feud between the two family's in the scene where Richards mom gets killed he threw an energy ball back at her murderer which I thought only demons could do yet they're supposed to be a family of witches... And 2 at the end of that episode Phoebe supposedly blocks her empathy power from her sisters yet in the next episode she is trying to Sense or feel Piper which she shouldn't be able to do given the events of the last episode.... Also possible theory what if Leo secretly knew chris was he son ... And how many years older is Bianca than Chris because in the episode Chris crossed in the present we see her as a little girl ( maybe 8-10) and Chris is not even conceived yet..... so yeah just wondering 😂😂😂
How we talking about a child who was already showing powers in the womb ?
@@MartinWhatley-b6r Omigosh, I didn't remember that about Bianca and the empathy potion! Would you mind if I mentioned those in a future video? I'd be happy to credit you!
I think that the problem with Witchstock episode is that it was written for Patty but since the actress wasn't available they changed it for Penny. This exaplains this huge mess
True! I just think it's weird that they changed everything else ~ the character, the plot, etc. ~ but they couldn't change the parts that created a serious plothole.. 🧐
The Chris thing was somewhat addressed in "I dream of Phoebe" when he talks to Phoebe in her office. Phoebe calls him out for breaking up his parents, and he explains that he had to do it for Leo to become an Elder to make room for him as their whitelighter. He also says that he had been so focused on saving Wyatt that he had forgotten about his own conception. It's outright stated that he hadn't thought it all the way through.
He also definitely lied about Paige being killed by the Titans. It's clear that she was alive during his childhood years up until some point when she and her sisters were killed.
There are plenty of times Chris has contradicted his own story, these are just a few examples. And in Chris Crossed, he and Bianca had clearly been planning this for awhile, so there should have been no reason Chris hadn't thought things through.
@@weirdlybelovedYes but we never knew the extent of his plans with Bianca. His primary goal was to save Wyatt, and he hadn't given much, if any, thought to his own conception. Otherwise he would'nt have been desperate for Phoebe and Paige's help. Chris was a shady character, and was clearly written that way, but he also wasn't too bright.
@@jacksonmwambu3131 Again, I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
About the magic school thing, I've always wondered if maybe the sisters weren't invited because their powers were bound. It seems they lost their powers before they were old enough to remember having them. Maybe by the time they would have gone to magic school their powers had already been bound. I also wonder if Grams would have allowed them to go even if they'd been offered the opportunity..I mean she was kind of over protective. She also was dealing with the loss of her daughter and may not have wanted the girls to be away from her.
Love your videos, keep up the good work!
Great points! And thank you so much! ❤
I wished they focused on Phoebe's power growth more than her quest to find her baby daddy I mean there's nothing wrong with that but it gets to a point where it isn't healthy (forcing Premonition on her dates) and I know she got punished for that but on season 7 she got a little redemption arc but then threw it all away hell Zanku had better control of her powers after he stole them in the season 7 finale.
Whenever someone else had Phoebe's powers they were super active but when Phoebe had them we went to a point when she had only three premotions during whole season xD
Exactly! There's nothing wrong with Phoebe wanting to start a family, but the way they made it the focal point of her character and had her stop caring about almost anything else was concerning! 😟
I agree that Phoebe got the shortest end of the stick.
It really sucks how they handled premonition power because if controlled in the right way it's super powerful. Phoebe could be the most powerful witch on the show (I think that the only greater power on this show would be Billie with her projection power). I mean from all primary powers which sisters had precognition IF controlled in the RIGHT way COULD be the most powerful one. Precognition is unstoppable when person knows how to use it as advantage. Like for example:
- using it as form of sensing during fight so you can see/sense next moves of your opponent and react to them before he will make a move,
- if you are hiding then you know when you will be attacked and you can prepare for that, when there is future attack on you or anyone,
- no one can lie to you or hide anything from you (much of s3, s4, s6 and s8 could be avoided because of this),
- she could see how to defeat each enemy so they would save a lot of time to find the solution.
And those are only few examples, there will be many more applications.
Phoebe NEVER used her power like that. She was barely even getting any visions. Demons surprised them MANY times which shouldn't happen. If used in the right way then none can surprise you and you can't be stopped.
Also think about all possible advancemets of this power like:
- astral projection (she did it in s5-s8) or even teleporting with a time travel
- empathy (her s6 power), which can grow into two ways:
* into mind reading and this would grow into mind control
* or simply into reflecting attacks (like she did in s6) and then to use memories is reverse to actually hurt or kill someone
(like we saw in the future)
That's why they got rid of Phoebe's powers when she finally learned how to control them. Writers weren't smart enough to know how to deal with them. It happens ALL THE TIME with characters having the power of visions on all shows... It's basically a superhero trope - if there is a character with premonition power he will end up in 1 of 3 ways:
- character is unable to control it (Pheobe for most of the show)
- character is loosing his power (Phoebe in season 6)
- character dies
It happends everywhere: Heroes, Agents of Shield, Arrowverse etc.
Also the basic wiccan powers of the Three were synergic and worked well together, covering three strategic aspects of fight: knowledge (Phoebe), defence (Piper) and attack (Prue). But Premonition is a difficult power to deal with when writing a story arc, especially for one of the main characters so they always has to come with limitations not to spoil the whole story (not able to control it, loosing power, dying, visions are not clear etc.)
When the format of the show was “demon of the day”, basically Phoebe tracked the innocent and found out the plot of the demon that was soon to be vaquished. But when the show started covering long narrative arcs, Phoebe’s power became a nuisance to writers: this is the reason why she never truly gained full control over it and lost it in season 6.
What's the reason why Phoebe couldn’t see that:
- Cole was Belthazor in s3, that he's the Source in s4,
- find out that Gideon was the main antagonist in s6 and that Chris was Piper's son,
- Billie and Christie are the ultimate evil in s8,
despite having both power of visions and later empathy?
Because it would have ruined the narrative arc!
Also, it always annoyed me that Phoebe got levitation and Prue astral projection when it didn't make any sense. It should be the opposite. Prue should get levitation/flying because telekinesis allows her to move objects in psychical space so that would allow her to move herself also in psychical space as well. Which she did a few times in s3 anyway. And if Phoebe during visions can transform her mind in different places that scream astral projection! She used her powers to do astral visions a few times anyway (s5, s6, s8).
So many years and this series still gives me fury. xD
I think they could have brought back Emmalee Thompson as Little Prue at least in the Series Finale when Piper travelled back in time with Coop's Ring.
Omigosh, that would have been amazing!!
she would’ve been 8 years older though
@@ursulacg That's right, but she was still quite young (only 14-15) when filming S8, she could have been costumed to look like a 10-12 year old kid.
@@EvernightDreamer true true, I also loved that she had the matching little spot on her face that matched shannen's
They really did Phoebe dirty
Her character deserved so much better! 🥺
Let's not forget that time Wyatt used his powers to scare away Piper's dates
OMG I forgot about that! Man, that kid was diabolical sometimes! 🤔
In 3x13 Prue marries a warlock which turns her evil and then it turns her sister evil too cause they are the charmed ones they are connected. But in season four 4x15 Phoebe married evil Source Cole and ultimately turns evil herself but it doesn’t affect Piper nor Paige.
Supposedly Chris was originally Phoebe and Cole's son. The one that was never born and the fetus got blown up with the Seer in Womb Raider. I don't know how in the world they would have explained that one.
I did the math and Grams would have been 12 when Patty was born. Almost 13. Which is very disturbing. I can't believe no one double checked the years. Penny could have been born in the late 20s/early 30s, Patty in the early 50s and it would have worked fine, since the sisters were all born in the 70s.
The tree also says Grams died in 1963. So she never would have met her granddaughters, let alone raised 3 of them.
What I don't get is they never edit Grams' date of death but they do Paige's birth year, from 1977 to 1975. Making her the same age as Phoebe. Older even since Paige's birthday is in August and Phoebe's is in November. Patty died in 1978 so there was no reason to.
There's an episode after Piper has Wyatt where she and Leo get the tree out to look at male relatives' names to try to find a name for him and Paige sees she's not on the tree. She's hurt, obviously, but given how inaccurate that thing is, it's probably better that she isn't on it. And not just because she, Wyatt, Chris or probably any other kids were never added to it.
Right?! I really can't believe the writers let this all happen, because you would think the people writing the show would be the ones keeping tabs on all this and making SURE it didn't! So much of what they wrote in later seasons just didn't make sense, and while I'll always love Charmed, it's hard to take the last 2-3 seasons seriously.
13:45. Chris was lying. He needed an excuse to get into the Charmed ones lives and get rid of Leo. His true mission was to stop Wyatt. His just took the Titans as an opportunity to weasel his way in.
Re: Prue and Phoebe's evil transformations not affecting the book/sisters the same.
The Dark Priestess's spell and wedding ceremony were designed expressly to turn Prue, her sisters, and the book evil. Her whole goal was to get the book, and so her magic was custom-tailored to that end.
Phoebe essentially took on a title, Wife to the Evil Guy. Cole was the one who had to undergo an evil-ing ceremony. Yes, she was "evil married" to him, and the seer gave her a potion to increase her evilness (which she usually chucked or upchucked) -- but no one ever cast a spell or performed a ceremony to turn the book or her sisters evil. And no one did as much to directly turn Phoebe evil as the Priestess did to Prue (which could be argued why Phoebe was always flip-flopping and able to come back to good).
Also the evil priestess said that only the oldest can do it
Agreed. Also, Phoebe had the influence of the source in evil baby form growing inside her, which I took to be like a parasite who was essentially infecting her with evil from the inside out and the more it grew, the more evil she became. It was such a slow process that it hadn’t even fully consumed Phoebe, so it definitely hadn’t spread to her sisters yet.
@@Angel42836 Oops really? I must have missed that! :(
@@srayj Very true! Although it's established in the Woogy episode that Phoebe is more susceptible to turning evil due to being born in the manor, so that could have played a role in her becoming evil as well!
I didn't think of it that way! That makes a lot more sense, thank you!
Oof I never thought about the Grams having Patty so young thing but that would explain why she hates men so much
As much as I loved the show and could watch it over and over, I really don't think the writers knew what they were doing. It's like consistency didn't exist in their vocabulary. It just became a whole jumbled mess, more so when they introduced Chris. And it looks to me they just didn't even care to make ANYTHING make sense.
Exactly!! Love the show, but the writing makes so little sense it's hard to believe industry professionals were the ones responsible for it!
Witch stock was supposed to focus on Patty’s past, but Fiona wasn’t available at the time, so it was shifted to Penny instead. At least, that’s what I read somewhere.
I know, it's just weird that they changed the whole story to fit Penny but they didn't bother to make her a few years older so that it made more sense for her to have a 17yo daughter ~
@@weirdlybeloved yeah that never made sense. That probably had to do with the writing team. Seriously, they should’ve known better.
@@weirdlybeloved Or just go further back in time, to about the early 50s instead of the 60s.
@@weirdlybelovedThe episode never claimed Patty was a child. The exact line was "I dropped her off at my sister's she gonna crash there for the night." This could apply to a 16-17 year old just as easily as it could a child.
Also the whole family tree is just a mess. So many inaccuracies. Grams' date of birth was later retconned to be 1930 instead of 1937, which would have made her about 20 when Patty was born. Much less icky.
Also I think Chris was initially meant to be evil. But then Holly got pregnant in real life, so they needed a way to write that in, ergo Chris is Piper and Leo’s son.
The Prue one is so upsetting because of the circumstance for sure and it was just a shame that the executes and Shannen had the feud (even though with Aaron Spelling & Brad Kern, it's understandable why Shannen felt the way she did) because she could've come back as a ghost from time to time in later episodes. But what sucked is how it seemed like after season 4, she was hardly ever brought up at all and I mean, the disrespect LOL
And agreed with Phoebe, the character suffered the worst flanderization of the three. I mean Piper had become insufferable at times as well in the newer seasons imo (because of how angry and naggy she got, it was rough sometimes lol) but Phoebe was on a whole other level because of how self-absorbed and egocentric she became. It's like watching two different characters when you compare season 1 Phoebe to season 5-6 Phoebe. She had so many heart of gold moments in season 1.
Exactly! Just because they had problems with Shannen doesn't mean they had to erase Prue!
And I fully agree about Piper and Phoebe! Piper is my favorite sister, but there's no denying that the way she acted, particularly in the last three seasons, was downright toxic sometimes.
She developed a real attitude problem and I wish they'd fixed it instead of normalizing it. 😑
@@weirdlybeloved Right. It doesn't help that Prue WAS AN IMPORTANT character which makes the disrespect even worse. I get that they wanted to have the sisters move on but they were all close and realistically, they would still be thinking about her, especially Piper so to see her not get mentioned much at all in the last few seasons was like a knife in the gut.
And exactly, Piper is my favorite too and seeing her character act toxic and they try to make it out like you're supposed to be on her side was just awful. Sometimes it got to the point where I wondered why Leo stayed with her during the times she was just horrible to hm for no reason. lol
Right?? The disrespect towards Prue's character was HUGE. And it was huge since the beginning of her absence. They may have ended things on bad terms, but they could have made at least 1 or even 2 episodes with a better closure for Prue. They could have shown her actual death. They could have shown us what was happening during her death. How Leo tried to heal her and failed. To show the despair and agony in his eyes. The shock that Piper felt. What happened in the underworld with Phoebe? How did she come back and then figure out her sister is dead. Even maybe Prue becoming a spirit/ghost and her process in all this. GOD I'm frustrated. Instead, season 4 began, and it was like 2 episodes were skipped. And then season after season, the whole character of Prue was just kinda skipped.
@sophiakon6293 agreed. So many things that could've been done but faulted on.
@@sophiakon6293Exactly! The way they handled her death was such a cop-out! 😠
Leo's powers aren't the only change to whitelighters. Originally, they're only supposed to help witches in secret while they're new to the craft before moving on to new charges. Season one is in many respects a different show than the rest of the series.
The magic school issue is probably because the girls powers were bound until they were adults
Could be! Although I wonder why they weren't enrolled when they were little? They had their powers then and if Wyatt was old enough to go, then shouldn't they have been, too? 🤔
@@weirdlybeloved I agree, it’s been over a decade since I saw the show, I always figured the shows justification was cuz something was after them which was why their powers were bound. But I definitely saw the HP bandwagon when it happened lol
I was actually really sad when you stated in your previous video that you weren‘t going to do Charmed videos for a while only to find you coming back after a little break with another half an hour long Charmed video!
That is REALLY appreciated and I love your takes on it and listening to you rant about this show!
Thank you so much! I love Charmed and I'm so happy to hear that people are liking the videos! Especially since they just seem to keep getting longer and longer in length.. :D
1. My theory is that having his wings clipped essentially reset his progress as a Whitelighter, ability-wise. He didn't influence the book; He healed it, same as he can heal clothes. Levitation is normal for Whitelighters though. No idea why out of all Whitelighters that only Elders are shown using Telekinesis other than Leo. It was too early in the show for it to be a hint towards him becoming an Elder unless the twist was that he always was one, but clearly not.
2. I'd say they were being influenced by Destiny itself to convince Piper of a home birth so that the events prior to Wyatt turning Evil (the death of Paige) don't happen at all, preserving the Power of Three into their golden years? Makes the whole sudden appearance of the dad and the new evil girlfriend make more sense too. Influence failed to affect the Charmed Ones directly to have the baby at home, so Destiny did whatever it could to ensure the right timeline over-all.
3. It was the conditions surrounding Prue's marriage and not the act of marriage itself. Someone else already explained this better.
As for Phoebe's Evil not affecting the Book of Shadows: It was because she never truly gave in to Evil. She was Neutral at best during her lowest period in that arc and thought that it was the best route to protect her sisters.
4. The Nexus is like a huge natural buff. Grants some new powers and increases the power of the user. I believe the Woogieman was a manifestation of all the pure Evil that their family-line had vanquished within the house. It seems likely that a lot of Evil died in pursuit of gaining control over that Nexus, so it would be understandable for something from them to reside around the prize they could never claim.
The Hollow is the most powerful force in the Charmed universe. It makes you immune to and absorb magic to keep as your own. When the Hollow is sealed away again, all stolen powers are returned to their users. Users that have died between this time have their powers sent to the person last in control of the Hollow. If that person were to somehow also be dead, I assume the leftover powers would transfer to the caster(s).
5. Magic School was a set created due to budget constraints.
Why the Charmed Ones didn't find out about Magic School sooner: I'd have to say it's because the Elders didn't feel as though the school would still be safe if the Charmed Ones were inside since they were always under attack, turning into some other creature, or complaining about magic ruining their lives. If you look at it another way, Magic School was only opened to them after they all truly accepted their destinies as the Charmed Ones. A more likely reason would be that Gideon lifted the restrictions from the Charmed Ones entering the school simply so that he could get closer to Wyatt.
As for the exposure risks of the young Charmed Ones: Grams wiped Andy's memory, but I agree that she couldn't have caught it every single time. He probably knew of the strange ladies because she only erased the acts of magic from his memory. Though memory manipulation never seemed to be one of her powers outside of this scene. She just waved a hand, unfroze him like Piper does when she unfreezes people, and bam, no memory at the same time. Though, it's possible Patty was able to teach her some of her powerset, to an extent, allowing unfreezing. It would also make sense of how the trio could Astral Project because Prue had apparently taught it. No idea how she could possibly alter his memories unless her Telekinesis had advanced to the ability to move memories. If so, she could only move them and not completely remove or change them (unless she had like, mastery of the advancement), so he would eventually remember it all one day, which would still be horrible... Anyhow; the normality of the scene with Grams and Andy makes it seem common, which makes me wonder if that's how Andy seemed to be catching on to some things he should have completely forgotten. Perhaps Grams upped his tolerance to memory magic and there were still faint traces. On my first watch long ago, I thought he was just going to randomly bring up something, like knowing Prue was a Witch to her like he remembered it all. Lol.
6. I believe the Titans were dealt with in his timeline in the same way; though if not, it's likely that Wyatt eventually killed the Titans. The Titans wanted to be worshipped, so it's likely the world did as the gods demanded until Wyatt's time came. Chris was a liar for the benefit of the future he sought. He seemed very truthful about Paige dying from his later scenes with her, but I think he lied about when. He chose that time because Leo was to become an Elder and with his future knowledge, he could control the conditions of how as well the motivations of everyone going forward to a high degree.
Tin-Foil Hat Theory: The Titans were never released in Chris' timeline / were released much later. Chris caused the events leading to their release to further his goals towards the future he sought. He orbed into the house. That wasn't his immediate destination when he traveled to the past. Very shady.
7. When Chris said "If anyone needs protecting, it’s me from you.", I knew he was going to end up being Wyatt's brother. Before that, I knew he had to a Halliwell in some way due to small things he did or said. Or like how he knows how to navigate certain locations that would be odd for someone that maybe had even visited a few times in their timeline. As for his fiancé, he was just playing her. When he kissed the Phoebe imposter, I'd like to believe they had some kind of extra influence over him. He was a little more irrational than usual than just that one scene.
As for banishing Leo, no clue. I don't remember Chris being a special child or anything. May not be nearly on par with Wyatt, but may still be a little extra powerful for whatever reason. We have to assume it's something he learned from an Elder, if not that he was an Elder himself for a time, even. Be an Elder to make daddy proud, but daddy only cares about his secret family in Paris still, so he carries that angst towards Leo in the past and makes him become an Elder so that he'll never have time to meet his future secret family and Chris can have the dad he always wanted. (Jk at the end. Lol.)
8. Going to back 6., Chris was lying about when Paige died to falsely gain trust and control over the Charmed Ones in a moment of need. For the plothole in Witchstock, Patty getting dropped off to crash at that guy's sister's house doesn't mean she's a child being babysat. Lmfao! She could still be 17-19 and just likes to hang out with her aunt-in-law. Grams being super young when she had Patty makes sense for the timeframe, tbh. Allen is not Patty's father. You don't have enough fingers to count the amount of men to disappoint Grams, so it's safe to assume she had already moved past the father by this point. As for people not looking their character's age / Gram's sudden rapid aging, I'd have to say that poor casting isn't really a plothole. It's jarring, but not a plothole.
As for the orbing comment: it's possible it either wasn't taken seriously, rules weren't known as well back then, or people were just good at mindin' they own business.
9. Prue came up a LOT after she died. She was brought up literally every season after her death. She was never forgotten or erased. She even stayed in the opening credits for one scene throughout the series after her departure. It would have been nice to keep pictures and all around, but they had to follow the law. They definitely did the best they could with what they had in that situation.
10. They probably felt like they were using her Premonitions as a crutch too much and toned it down too much instead.
1. You could definitely be onto something! I'm working on a video about a similiar theory someone had about Leo's healing powers, so it will be exciting to see what everyone thinks!
And yeah, Leo's telekinesis and floating abilities are just.. bizarre. Like, it would have been one thing if he'd used orbs to do it, but he's just out here using straight-up witch powers lol.
2. Hmm.. it's definitely a theory, but I personally don't think it had anything to do with destiny and more a fear of exposure risk. I had forgotten there's a scene in The Day the Magic Died where Piper says that she wants to have the baby in a hospital, but wonders what will happen when they're born in swaddling orbs.
3. Actually, while Phoebe was more neutral than most evil-doers during her time as queen of the underworld, there's actually a few things a lot of people don't seem to mention a whole lot that I think really says a lot about just how low she really went during that time.
4. Fair point.
5. Mmm.. I feel like that's really a stretch, and best explained as the show just randomly decided to create a Magic School to ride the Harry Potter wave and didn't care if it made sense or not. With all the ways they've overwritten their own lore, it definitely wouldn't be the first time.
6. I think it's very possible Wyatt killed the Titans in Chris's future as well. And right?! I always wondered what Chris had been up to during the gap between him going back in time and orbing into the manor during Meta's attack.
7. Uhh.. okay? That stuff about a secret family in Paris was.. strange.
8. That's the thing, though; we actually don't know that Chris was lying about what happened to Paige, as it was never established in the show. We THINK that because of everything else he's said about Paige, but it's not something we can prove.
And actually, it really DOESN'T make sense for Grams to be "super young" in the Witchstock episode. Her birthday is listed as June 23, 1930, so she should have been 37 in that episode, and she's clearly not. Also, Grams herself has stated multiple times that Allen is Patty's father/the girl's grandfather, AND he said that Paige is pretty much the spitting image of his own sister, heavily suggesting they share DNA.
And I think it's safe to assume that if rules were still so harsh by the time Paige was born that Patty, Grams, and Sam all felt the need to keep Paige a secret to keep the Elders from finding out about her and punishing their family, that several decades before that that sort of thing would have been an absolute scandal.
9. Prue did not come up a LOT, though. She was brought up a fair few times in early season four, right after her death (which is natural) then a lot less as the season went on, and then maybe once or twice a season after that, IF that. And I don't remember her being in the opening credits after she left, and I doubt they would have been able to do that anyway given that Shannen had rights over her image and refused to allow them to use it.
10. Possible. It still didn't really make sense in the context of the show, though.
As for Chris, there was also another throwaway line that it was Paige who was supposedly dead, yet she was the one he went to when he needed money. Yeah, Chris lied, no doubt about it.
Omigosh, do you remember which episode that was from?? I'd completely forgotten about that line!
@@weirdlybelovedSpin City
PIPER: Why are you so edgy anyway? Relax.
CHRIS: Well, it's not me in there I was thinking about, it's you. I was just
making sure you're okay.
PAIGE: See, this is where he asks for money to go to the movies.
CHRIS: Very funny. Actually, in the future, you're the one I go to for money.
@@elizabeths.3634 Omigosh, thank you!! I found the scene just in time to slip it into the latest video I did, so thank you so much for letting me know about it! Though I really can't believe that none of the Charmed Ones ever called Chris out for lying about this! Even if he was trying to protect the future, telling them their sister died when she didn't (especially after they already buried a sister) is pretty messed up. :/
@@weirdlybeloved We can head cannon that one however we want, but I suspect the real reason is the writers forgot what they wrote.
Anyway, subscribed and looking forward to seeing that video. 😂
These were the clues I noticed that suggest Chris knew them in the future and - or was related to the charmed ones - something I hope you will cover in your upcoming Chris video.
Oh My Goddess:
(Indirect evidence - Chris already knew about the book of Shadows and was pretty comfortable using it)
PIPER: What are you doing?
CHRIS PERRY: What does it look like I'm doing? I'm trying to find a way to
free Stone-Cold Paige over here.
PIPER: Step away.
CHRIS PERRY: Please, like I haven't looked in this before? By the way, you
should update your goblins entry. It'll come in handy some day.
(More evidence he has been there before.)
PHOEBE: What are you doing over here?
CHRIS PERRY: Nothing. You guys keep this stuff forever, you know that?
LEO: It's too dangerous. The Elders forbid it.
CHRIS PERRY: True. But then again, The Elders aren't around to stop you now,
are they? That's right, Leo. This is what it's all about. This is why they
had to die so you could do something they'd never do. Save the future for your
family. For your son. (Chris meant himself, not Wyatt)
Chris shows no romantic interest in Phoebe despite the fact that she is now the GODDESS OF LOVE because that is his Aunt.
PHOEBE: Chris ... you never told us, do you have a girlfriend in the future?
CHRIS PERRY: As you can see, all of you have drives and urges based on your powers.
(CHRIS walks around them. PHOEBE follows him closely.)
CHRIS PERRY: Don't let them distract you. All right?
PIPER: I thought you needed me.
(This is a small hint with how Chris trips on his wording when talking to his mother.)
CHRIS PERRY: I did. I mean, I do. I need you 'cause they need you.
Power of three blonds - This heavily implies he knew the sisters in the future he came from, but not solid proof.)
CHRIS PERRY: Well, in all my life, I have never seen you take the bait the way that witch took it from you.
(CHRIS turns around and picks up the Book of Shadows from the book stand.)
PHOEBE: In all your life? You've only been our Whitelighter for two months.
Loves a Witch (Lots of clues in this episode)
CHRIS PERRY: What's wrong? What's wrong is I don't do babies. One and under
crowd, not my thing. Leo, however ...
(LEO orbs into the room.)
CHRIS PERRY: ... Great with kids. (note the sarcasm in the delivery here, mirroring how bad Leo does with Chris - his son) Especially his own.
CHRIS PERRY: (glances up) Oops. Looks like Wyatt needs another baby-sitter
... dad (Chris literally called Leo DAD - big clue right here)
CHRIS PERRY: (to LEO) Well, it looks like we're one big happy family again.
LEO: You're not family.
Chris is right - Leo is wrong.
Omigosh, thank you so much! This will come in such help with the Chris video, it's so streamlined! I've been trying to make a similar list, but it keeps getting jumbled into all the notes I have from the episodes, so it's not very organized, haha.
@@weirdlybeloved You are certainly most welcome and I do hope it is helpful. Even Chris's fashion in one of the episodes was a very subtle clue as to who Chris was. He had the number 2 clearly on his shirt (representative of him being the second child.) I suspect this was intentional.
@@elizabeths.3634 Oh wow, nice eye! I would have never noticed that! Would you mind if I mention that in the video? I'm happy to credit you!
@@weirdlybelovedSure,IF I say anything that helps you make a video, feel free to use it.
@@weirdlybeloved PS - You actually used a clip of it in this video. th-cam.com/video/Jh9Tm3QT5c0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=eaG_RjY9bVzW6O0h&t=1047
I suspect Chris met Bianca through Wyatt, so when he forgot why he was there, he also forgot his fiancee because when the day repeated and he remembered Wyatt, he didn't cheat on Bianca. We saw him reject his 'aunt' multiple times until he caught on that it was an imposter, then he was simply being manipulative and lair in an intentional attempt to turn the imposters against each other. He never truly cheated with his aunt. The Valkyrie Myst, I can't simply explain away. On that one, yeah he cheated on Bianca.
Fair points!
The high priestess cast a spell that would change their book of shadows and them as well. That's why she put Prue into a deep sleep while the spell took effect. Phepbe chose to go with Cole and be the evil queen, so it wouldn't effect Piper and Paige like in bride and gloom
Ah, that makes more sense! Thank you!
I think they only introduced Magic School because they saw how popular the Harry Potter movies were getting and wanted to cash in on the hype.
Prizoner of Azkaban came out the same year and that's when HP really took off in the main stream. It makes total sense
That makes a lot of sense! Can't blame them for being inspired by HP, it's an amazing book series! 🥰
I believe that Magic School was the most ridiculous thing they added in the series. Through all the first seasons we watch witches practicing the craft alone or with their coven. But they were common people. There was no clue about Magical School. They tried to add a loved Harry Potter feature. They did the same thing in the past with "Blair Witch project", "Bewitched", "I dream of Jeannie" and other shows about magic. I believe Magic School ruined the authentic vibe of the first seasons.
Same here! And I also loved that the first few seasons had actual witchcraft - candles, altars, rituals.. by season five that was virtually non existent. Read a rhyme and that's all you need. 😮💨
There was a common theory that Chris was originally meant to be Phoebe and Cole's resurrected half demon son....making the shady moves make sense....but when Holly became pregnant they decided to write in a second son for Piper instead.
Ooh that would have been really interesting! Do you know where the theory came from? I wonder if it's ever been hinted at by the showrunners?
Don’t know about that theory, about Chris being Phoebe and Cole son. Because Phoebe was no longer pregnant, after Cole was vanquish and Chris appeared after Wyatt was born.
As I don’t think that would make sense, that Chris supposed to be Phoebe and Cole child is zero chance. Like I said, Phoebe was no longer pregnant with Cole baby. Also Cole was gone for good after, he was vanquish the second time.
As Chris doesn’t show any sign of Demon power to prove that theory.
@@Aaron-MackHartford Agreed! And furthermore, why would Phoebe and Cole's son have the power to orb? It was also a clue that Chris wasn't a full white lighter where both Chris and Paige can orb, but to that point in time, neither could heal.
@@elizabeths.3634 Exactly.
How can Leo watch the charmed ones since they were kids when Sam was in the picture having an affair with their mother; even long enough to conceive Paige and hold onto for a few months after giving her up. At that time Prue had to be around 6 or 7; if you think about how old Prue was in the 70's episode. So when did Leo come in the picture?
Uhh.. that's a great point!! Maybe Leo HAS been watching them the whole time on the DL.. he's definitely creepy enough! I'd love to do a video on all his red flags one day.. would it be alright if I mentioned your point? I'm happy to credit you!
I love these videos. Me and my sister watched Charmed together too growing up ❤
Definitely looking forward to more Charmed lists, and reviews from this channel!
Thank you so much! There will definitely be more Charmed content coming soon! ❤️
Another thing that didn't make sense was how Paige didn't suspect that Cole was possibly possessed during Season 4 and how the sisters, Leo and even Darryl, came to blame him for everything when it should've been clear that he wasn't in control of his own actions.
And I agree that Phoebe was done dirty, in later seasons, and became more and more self-centered, when in Season 1, for example, we see her trying to save a man's life and getting frustrated when he doesn't want her help, because she had a premonition of him getting hit by a pink Cadillac. It honestly seems like every character was at their best when Prue was still alive.
I also have to wonder how Gideon came to see Wyatt as a threat in the timeline that Chris came from, when in the main timeline, Gideon came to see Wyatt as a threat after he found out about Chris's real reason for traveling back in time to the year 2003, and was still around in 2004. And even though Chris is all over the place as a character, his death scene still makes me cry. I blame the inconsistencies with his character on the messy writing of Season 6.
Agreed!! Cole is another character who was done really dirty in the show, and having everyone blame him for something he had no control over is a perfect example of how!
The sisters NEVER held being influenced by evil against anyone, even Billie, the way they did Cole, and it's sad because in the end, all Cole ever wanted was love and family, not to be evil.. 😢
Charmed was produced by Aaron Spelling. If you look at 90210 and Melrose Place you'll see that those shows had the same problems. Things like continuity, character history shoehorned in like they were there the whole time, etc
Fair point.. I've never seen most of the other shows, but Shannen said it was pretty much the same team from 90210 doing Charmed, which is why she was reluctant to work with them again. From what I've heard about Aaron he seems like a decent guy.. his team is a different story, though.
The girls were concerned about the risk of magical exposure if Piper gave birth in a hospital.
Piper and Paige didn't turn evil when Phobe chose to become Queen of the Underworld because she chose that of her own free will.
The house was built in the center of a pentagram which is why it is built in the center of a magical Nexus.
Patty Halliwell was born on April 5, 1950, and would be 17 in 1967. She would be underage and it would be inappropriate for her to be at an adult party where alcohol is served.
Penny Halliwell was born on June 23, 1930, and would have been 20 when Patty was born.
I had forgotten about the part where Piper was worrying about what would happen if the baby were born in swaddling orbs in the hospital ~ that was my bad.
But in regards to Grams birthday, they had to retcon her birthday to June 23, 1930 in order for it to make sense, because originally they listed it on the family tree in Pardon My Past as June 23, 1937, which, as I said in the video, is where the conflict is.
seeing the thumbnail, without watching the video I can tell the plothole about Witchstock. apparently the actress who played their mom, wasn't available for the episode, so they made the story of the episode about grams in the 60's. the whole epiode was a mess, grams being in her 20's or 30's, her daughter being a child or teen, when she gave birth to 4 daughters in the 70's. the worst part was Leo knowing a younger grams, when they met in season 3, for the 1st time.
True! I just don't understand why if Finola Hughes became unavailable they decided to change everything else about the episode - the decade, the characters involved, the plot and how it affected the future, etc - but the ages of Grams and her husband! Seems simple enough to do, so Idk why they didn't. 🤔
Cause Harry Potter was popular so they added magic school
I love your videos. I appreciate all the Charmed content. God knows I watched the show enough times. Its nice to listen to someone else take on the same crazy things we see. I guess this is what happens when so many ppl are writing as they film the show. But I also heard that Brad Kern always put his spin on whatever script came his way. So there's that.
Thank you so much! I really love Charmed too, it was such a great show! (though some episodes in the first season absolutely terrified me! I still have trouble watching the Dream Sorcerer episode!)
These two "didn't make sense" videos were great, and I've been a 'Charmed' fan since the early 2000s! Seasons 1-4 were the best. It all went downhill for me in season 5 when everyone was blaming Cole for the Source POSSESSING HIM!!! That's what never made sense to me, and I'm sure there could be a 5-hour video on that topic alone! Yeah, the whole Chris story never made sense to me either: He comes off as a shady stranger, and then he's Leo and Piper's sone, so why would he try to get rid of Leo (and really, he had the power to do that at the end of season 5? and in public?) then in that one episode desperately try to get him and Piper back together so that he would exist? Magic School: why ? 🙄The Cleaners: come on! So many good points, but we still love 'Charmed' anyway 😊
You make really great points! So much stuff about the later seasons just didn't make sense at all, and the way they treated Cole was just unbelievable! How many times did the sisters turn evil in the series? Cole gives up his demonic powers for Phoebe and then is literally manipulated into becoming the Source by the same chick that also manipulated her into turning into his evil queen, but Phoebe is immediately forgiven and Cole is scum on the bottom of their shoe?? Ridiculous!
His character got shafted worse than almost anyone in the show, and it's pretty sad that Paige (the one who suspected him of turning evil the moment he started becoming the Source) was pretty much the only one who showed him any compassion in season 5 at all.
i mean most of the stuff that don't make sense, was becuase they changed stuff up depending on what was going with the actresses. i remember reading that Chris was supposed to be Wyatt? coming back to save his family. but then when Holly got pregnant and told them, they had to kind of soften Chris up in later recorded episodes to make him more likable.
16:25 welp made it to that part xDD
18:54 things like this could have happened before the Titans came. remember most of the stuff he knows about the enemies they face is from the Halliwell Museum that Wyatt made.
Very true!
To answer your Magic School question, the girls actually DID go to the Magic School when they were young (at least Prue and Piper did), Gideon stated it. But Grams had to bind their powers because of the threat from Nicholas, so obviously they couldn't go to the Magic School without any magic. And remember that Prue and Piper had no memory of using magic when they were very small, so it makes sense that Piper wouldn't remember having been to the Magic School in the past.
Gideon said that he met them when they were little, but not that they attended the magic school.
@@weirdlybeloved Where do you think they would have met? The Elders very rarely leave where they live, and Gideon lived at the Magic School...
@@haydenmcqueenie8987 It's implied, yes, but you suggested that Gideon stated it outright when technically all he said was that he'd met them when they were kids.
@@weirdlybeloved Hey I'm not doing too badly from memory :P I think the implication is strong enough to say that Prue and Piper probably did go to Magic School when they were very small, but obviously couldn't once their powers were bound.
I know that, out-of-universe, it was originally intended to have Patty as the focus of Witchstock instead of Grams, but the actress wasn't available. But they should have done a better job of rewriting the script, instead of just making the switch and hoping we wouldn't notice. Even a Doctor Who-like "wibbly wobbly timey wimey" would have been something.
This!! 💯
Piper giving birth in the manor was due to Wyatt's magical powers being exposed at a hospital. I'm not sure how you missed that.
The sisters don't last through the mid-point of Season 1 without Leo, so getting rid of him or all the whitelighters would not have worked for the show. Leo is actually crucial to the entire series, and his and Piper's relationship is the one solid thread that lasted the entire series.
Funny how exposure magically stopped being an issue by the time Chris - who WAS born in a hospital - was born.
And agree to disagree about Leo. In my opinion his only real purpose in the show was healing the sisters, and even then that was mostly just a plot convenience. Take that away, and he's basically just a leech that spends the better half of the later seasons basically being a deadbeat dad and husband.
@@weirdlybeloved Piper had complications with Chris and he was born via C-section. I believe the compromise with Piper regarding Wyatt's birth was that she would immediately go to the hospital if there were any complications.
Leo saved all the sisters' lives multiple times. He healed them, he orbed them places before Paige got there. He gave up being a whitelighter to be with Piper and then gave up being an Elder, choosing to be a mortal to be with Piper again. And even when he was just a normal mortal without his powers, he was STILL useful as the sisters primary counselor, constantly teaching them things about the magic world. He killed an Elder to save his son.
Leo was the best partner Piper could have ever had, and I don't think anyone but Leo could have put up with the snapdragon that Piper became after she was thrust into the eldest sister role.
@@shawnn7502 Like I said; we'll have to agree to disagree on Leo.
I would agree the reason the sisters were so insistent on Piper giving birth at the manor was because of Wyatt having powers from the womb whereas Chris did not, so there wasn’t that fear of exposure like there was with Wyatt.
Come to think about it, if Patty was born in 1950. In the Woodstock episode, she would be 17 in 1967 which that mean, she wouldn’t need to be supervised.
Even though Penny was born in 1930, would make her 20 when she had Patty. Unless Patty was supposed to be a kid, like 5 to 10 or something if she wasn’t old enough to be on her own.
But Penny supposed to be 13 or 14, when she had Patty then she would have. Be born 1936 or 37.
True. That timeline is so wonky.. they even changed Allen's date of death from 1964 (Pardon My Past) to 1967 (Witchstock)
Patty was 17 in 1967. She didnt need supervision, she just went to hang with her Aunt and away from her weird parents. Lol
True, I just think Patty's age is still a bit of a question mark, since that would have made her.. about 25(?) in That 70s Episode, when her actress Finola Hughes was almost 40 in the same episode.. imho, the writers and casting directors really should have made a solid timeline and stuck to it, rather than changing/retconning things at will so things stayed consistent ~
@@weirdlybeloved Yeah, Witchstock is a fun episode, but it really ruined a lot! I mean I could see Witchstock Grams being in her late 30s, and I could see That 70s episode be in her 40s, it's just that these 2 versions could never be the same person, and in the time that passed there's no way I could believe it.
The woogy or shadow is a demon (who is a formless slow moving black cloud) who tried to absorb the nexus (a neutral power source) and like with Cole and zanku Grams trapped the shadow who merged with the nexus inside the earth with the nexus in the basement until the earthquake in season 1. In later Charmed seasons woogy/nexus became interchangeable terms that wasn't initially synonymous
My theory on Chris is, is everything changed in the future when he came back. Everyday he was in the past changed the future. I think he was a different character in every episode because his memories changed with everything he did.
The problem is that Chris himself essentially confirmed that his memories were not changing in the present when he said that so much has changed he doesn't even know what sort of future he'd be going back to. And that was before Gideon was discovered as the real threat to Wyatt, so Chris didn't even realize his mission was not yet accomplished.
If I would defend why when Pheobe became queen of the underword this didn't affect his sisters, I'd say it's because she didn't become entirely evil. This is shown by the fact that the seer had to give her some potion to erase her good side.
This happens because there are always multiple writers, and apparently they never talk to each other. In the cartoon show I watched when I was a kid, Transformers, the Autobots could fly, then an episode later they couldn't.
Lmao, right? Communication is quickly becoming a forgotten skill, especially among professionals. But you'd think if your entire job was trying to write a good, cohesive plot that you'd at least TRY.. though if what Holly and Shannen said about Brad Kern doing a polish on every script is true, then I wonder how much of that was the writing team, and how much of it was Brad 'correcting' the scripts.
Ugh.. I really can't stand that guy.
With Phoebe, I think Alyssa's ego played a big part in taking the character down. After like midway through season 2, or the start of season 3 the latest, her character overall really went downhill. If you were to watch a season 1 episode then a season 6, 7 or 8 episode it's like it's not even the same character.
Oh for sure! Phoebe got a little better in 8, but in season 7 she was hard to tolerate and in season 6 she was borderline insufferable. 😮💨
I think when Prue married the warlock and it turned all the sisters evil was more so the specific spell that that high priestess cast than just a charmed one marrying in/going to the dark side. The high priestess wanted the book of shadows and had to turn the whole circle dark in order to make the book evil and be able to touch it…so I think she just used specific magic to turn them all evil. But Phoebe marrying Cole and becoming an evil queen was her free will. Each sister had been turned evil throughout and hadnt affected the whole power of three, so it was proably just the specifc magic used in the episode. Good points, though
Ahh, great point! That explains so much!
I’m the episode where phoebe married cole in season 4 she’s wearing prue’s coat that pure wore in the season 2 episode where Piper got sick. I wouldn’t have even noticed it but I saw a tik tok about it and it’s was sweet actually
Really?? Omigosh I never noticed!! I'll have to go back and rewatch that, because it really is very sweet! 🥹
21:46 I actually read somewhere that witchstock was meant to be about patty but finola was filming something else so they had to flip the script and put penny there. They should’ve just scrapped the whole episode though in my opinion
Oh yeah, I've heard that a few times and I'm with you ~ they should have either scrapped it altogether or rewrote it so it actually made sense!
at 25:14 you said someone shouldve worn something of prues. In the episode where cole sabatoged his and pheobes first wedding when they're in the graveyard pheobe has a big furry long robe like jacket, that was prues. I don't remember which episode but Prue definitely wore it first. I always thought that was so cute because I saw this things that said "she misses her sister"😭😭😭
I do think that's really sweet! I just can't believe I never noticed it until it was pointed out to me.. there was another comment on a different video that I think actually said the episode Prue wore it in, I can try to find it!
I think the entire Titans problem is pretty much solved once you re-watch the episode with Chris going back into the future with Bianca. As in the flashback she actually tells him to keep up with his story. For me this is a clear statement that what he told the sisters and Leo in the season 6 finale was just a bunch of lies to earn their trust and not revealing himself as Pipers son. This means, the Titans were defeated back then in the exact same way as they were in Season 6. Don't forget that in the absolute final episode of the show it is established that there are in fact multiple timelines going on simultaneously - old Piper and Leo telling their younger counterparts that they have met their own future selves years ago asking the exact same questions.
So yes, overall the show has many plotholes and not all of them are resolved properly. But the Titans are not one of them. Question remains if Bianca's statement was actually intended to resolve the Titan and entire Chris problem or if it was just a coincidence, once the writers decided for Chris to actually be Wyatts brother, though.
I actually just rewatched that episode and imo, what Bianca says just confused things even more. I won't say too much on why since I'm actually working on a Chris video and I don't wanna spoil it, but there are a lot of contradictions with the Titans plotline, and it's clear that the character of Chris was not very well planned.
Oops, I almost forgot to mention ~ in the final episode, there's not multiple timelines going on at once, it's different periods of the same timeline. That's why every move they make impacts the past and future, such as how Wyatt and Chris come back to find out what happened to Wyatt's powers.
Can't explain grams though, lady aged fast!
Leo only started watching them when they first got their powers though, he tells this to Phoebe when she first finds him levitating when fixing the chandelier in the manor.
@@Niloaui True, but in the episode A Witch's Tail he says that he's been watching them since they were babies, and we also see him lurking around the girls before Grams even died in Pre-Witched.
@@weirdlybeloved tysm for telling me this i'll go check it out
What always struck me as funny, is that Leo not only healed their wounds, but their CLOTHES as well (the clothes over the wounds)! 😂 Handy guy to have around. Save a lot of money on shirts.
True lol
IMO the whitelighter healing ability is actually a localized time reversal. The way Leo uses it on inanimate objects makes me think that.
@@RogueSinner Ooh, I never thought of the healing ability that way, but I think you're right!! That would definitely explain a LOT of things, like OP mentioning that the clothes would be healed as well, and how Leo was able to restore the book after the girls gave up their powers! Man, it would have been awesome if the show had went further with that! 😮
@@RogueSinner Hi! Sorry to bother you again! I'm just working on another Charmed theories video, and I was wondering if you would mind if I added your theory about whitelighter healing abilities actually being a localized time reversal? I'm happy to credit you for the idea!
@@weirdlybeloved I don't mind at all. 😊
@Weirdlybeloved i think the reasoning behind Paige and Phoebe wanting piper to give birth in the manor wasnt because of the whole spiritual nexus thing which i feel like they just forgot about after it was established with Phoebe being the one born in the manor, but because it more or less had to do with the fact that they might have been worried about potential magical exposure due to Wyatt having powers from the womb, they didn't want to risk the exposure and thought it would be safer if piper had the baby at home but the one thing that begs the question is that if that were the case then how come Piper gave birth to Chris in the hospital if he comes from the same magical bloodline as Wyatt? I mean it can be argued with the fact that Leo was technically an elder at the time that he and Piper had sex in the astral plane when she got pregnant with Chris and because of the fact that Elders are supposed to be much more powerful and stornger then whitelighters I've heard over the years of people saying that therefore because of that Chris should be more powerful then Wyatt but no one points that or anything. That's been something that has buged me for a while.
Right?! Chris absolutely should have been just as powerful as Wyatt if not stronger, but the show seemed to go out of its way to make him weaker than Wyatt, and I just don't understand why.. :/
@@weirdlybeloved I agree 100 percent love your charmed videos by the way and am happy to be a new subscriber to your channel😁💖
@@EmeraldCanary13 Thank you so much! 🥹
@@weirdlybeloved your welcome❤️🧡💛💚🩵🩷
@@EmeraldCanary13 to me the reason chris isn't as powerful as wyatt is because wyatt is the firstborn child of a charmed one remember in season 4 it was said that when phoebe was pregnant 🤔
Hope you’re doing well :) thanks for uploading. Missed yah
Thank you so much! I'm doing much better now ~ I hope you're doing well too!
19:23 unless his memory changes as he changes the future. Not to defend Chris. I hate chris 😹
Yeah, I never really liked him either. He always came across as such an arrogant brat that by the time he was revealed as Piper and Leo's son, it was like.. ughhhh, you've gotta be kidding me! Lol.
I think if you like Charmed you should definitely check out Once Upon A Time because that was an awesome show with a lot of fun plot points that if you think about them don’t make a lot of sense and I’d love to see/hear your thoughts on it.
I've always wanted to watch Once Upon a Time! I'm pretty sure my mom owns the first season, so I'll ask if she'll let me borrow it! :D
@@weirdlybeloved Awesome, also thanks for the actual reply b/c I’ve recommended things to people and haven’t gotten a response either way which is understandable with how busy I know you guys who do these reactions are but still I appreciate the response.😊😊😊
@@GoddessGirl2121 Of course! My responses can be a bit slow, but I do try to respond to everyone! I feel like if someone's kind enough to watch my videos and leave me a comment, then the least I can do is reply! 🥰
Ok awesome KP reference i loed that show growing up which makes me love your channel even more ❤❤❤
I’m rewatching episodes and more things pop up- when Prue becomes an empath - Leo feels resentment towards Piper for paying for the lunch that he invited himself and Piper to with Phoebe and Cole, he knew he had no money(whitelighter pay sucks) yet he invited himself to a meal which inevitably has to be paid for - what was Piper supposed to do? Do a dine and dash? He resents Piper for something that was his fault in the first place
Omigosh I completely forgot about that!! Honestly, if anyone has reason to be bitter, it's Piper, not Leo! She never got nearly enough credit for supporting her family the way she did.
The only (paying) job Leo had was when he worked AT the club in season 2; Phoebe didn't have a stable job until season 4, and even then it wasn't long before she moved out; and Paige had a stable job until season 5, when she quit and then only worked sporadically for the rest of the series.
Prue was really the only one that actually helped support the family with any stability, and after she died it was pretty much on Piper alone to provide for four adults and two children. She deserves so much more credit than she gets.
Leo did not invite himself. Victor insisted on lunch with both couples so he could approve the guys that his girls were with. Leo's unease was due to looking bad in front of Victor who was looking for reasons to not like him in the first place. If Leo had any resentment it was just for being put in that situation in the first place, which was on Victor, not Piper.
@@shawnn7502 What are you talking about? Victor wasn't even there, it was a lunch date between Phoebe and Cole and Leo ABSOLUTELY invited himself;
Cole: (to Phoebe) Okay then, ready for lunch?
Phoebe: Mmm.
Leo: Lunch would be great. Would you mind if we join you? I mean, it'd be great. Two couples, on the town, in the real world. What could be greater?
Cole: (to Phoebe) It's up to you.
Phoebe: Why not?
@@weirdlybeloved I was referring to Just Harried, I believe. I had forgotten about the diner scene in Primrose Empath. I went back and watched those scenes in Empath, and Leo did invite Piper and himself because Piper wanted to have a normal relationship. He did it for her, which she told him she did appreciate later. He didn't resent Piper for paying as obviously someone had to pay; he resented her because he tried to do a normal lunch date, like a normal couple, for her, and he ended up being humiliated in front of Cole. Piper was very understanding about the entire thing and told Leo how much she appreciated him, and they quickly made up.
@@shawnn7502 Dude, we already know all that. You're the one who didn't. Trying to save face by attempting to explain a scene you were already wrong about is not a good look.
I'm not even sure why you didn't at least double-check your facts before trying to "correct" them, given that the original commenter explicitly mentioned Phoebe and Cole and the empath thing, so you should have already realized something was up before you started going off about Victor.
But in any case, you were the one who was mistaken, and I think you owe the original commenter an apology for coming at them for no reason.
I always wondered why they didn’t show a picture of child prue. Surely there was a pic from that 70’s episode, or retrieved a photo from the child actress. No, the kid pic was of piper. Talk about a snub.
Exactly! And a picture of the little girl from That 70's Episode definitely would have worked, because she really did look just like Shannen!
@@weirdlybeloved yes!!!!
@@weirdlybeloved and yet they showed her back in cat house! If it’s a stunt double, it’s the same stunt double from the original episode because the footage is identical although apparently Shannen mostly did her own stunts.
@@cristoferchanimak That's what I always wondered! It's hard to believe they just kept everything - down to the motorcycle - and could just recreate the scene for the sake of a couple-second flashback!
The woogyman is a demon that was trapped in the Nexus. They are not the same thing. But Charmed often forgot this.
Thank you! That makes much more sense!
The nexus woggy difference is the nexus is just a spiritual point of great power while the woggy is a shadow demon that lives in the basement and has been feeding off the nexus to become stronger and spread evil.
Thanks but I'm still confused tho.😢
So that means when Cole, Leo and Zankou took in the Nexus, they were actually taking in the Shadow?
Because the only way the Nexus was removed from Cole and Leo was to cast the spell to banish the Shadow.
So that just means the Shadow was the Nexus, right?
The Nexus and the Woogyman are the same thing. The name Woogyman was a nickname that Phoebe gave to the Nexus when she saw it as a child. Their is no difference it was just a nane a child came up with to explain the nightmare creature she witnessed.
I just don't understand why if the nexus is supposed to neutral until it's influenced by whoever has possession of the manor, and at that time the people who had possession were the good witches of the Warren line, why the nexus was evil when it possessed Phoebe? 🤔
@@weirdlybeloved After a lot more research I'm finding conflicting information. Some sites state the Woogyman and Nexus are the same and some sites have the Woogyman as a demon that was banished to the Nexus. This does make more sense for me as the Nexus has always had the same 'description' both on screen and online.
If the Woogyman is a demon trying to spread evil this would explain why Phoebe becomes evil when she is possessed. It's not the Nexus changing her it's the Woogyman itself.
20:55 different times. My grandmother had my mother when she was 15, meaning she pregnant at 14.
The problem I think more is they cast an actress in her 50s and she looked it (not saying that as an insult to Jennifer Rhodes, just she didn't look in her 40s in That 70s Episode). If they established it as canon with the casting that Grams had once been a teen/pre teen mom it would make sense. Instead it comes across as a plot hole. They were all over the place with the ages and other important dates, as shown with that family tree listing Penny as dying first which was impossible 😭🤣
@@keisha_james I second this ~ Grams having Patty young would be weird to me since it doesn't seem to fit her character, but the real problem stems from having Grams look to be in her late 20s/early 30s in 1967, when she was clearly at least in her late 40s/50s in That 70's Episode. She aged 20+ years in an 8 year time span?? No way. And that's before all the errors in the family tree lol..
Phoebes hair was the always had the cutest hairstyles in my opinion the micro bang on her didn't look great except when she cut it short toward the end of S5 that was kinda cute❤i always find it fastnating you can always tell what season your in based on Phoebe's hair color/style(or at least i can)😂😂
Me too!! It's so weird, I was just thinking about this! S2 and S5 are my favorite Phoebe hairstyles! ☺️
The Woogy and the nexus were the same thing. Both Phoebe and Cole got possessed by it, in seasons 1 and 5 respectively. It just did different things based on whether good or evil had control of the manor. Good got a power boost, but it enabled evil to spread.
Season 6 originally aired in 03-04. When Harry Potter was really frigging popular. I think Magic School was just a spin on that.
And as far as Chris in The Power of Three Blondes, he knew that that wasn't Phoebe when he kissed her. Miffy or whatever her name was.
I didn't notice the family tree before but there's another one. It says Jack, Grams' husband and Patty's dad, died in 1964, the year after Grams did. Which we know isn't true because Grams died in the 90s and Jack (later called Alan in season 6) died in the 60s. Hell if Grams had died in the 60s she never would have met her granddaughters, let alone raised 3 of them. Since they were all born in the 70s.
Nice catch on the family tree! Man, they really should have paid more attention to that.. so many plotholes!
About Chris though, I'm not so sure.. other commenters have pointed out several examples of how it's possible Chris could have still believed it was Phoebe and/or how weird it was that Chris says he slept with her and she didn't argue it.. sooooo creepy lol. Even if he knew it wasn't Phoebe, kissing someone who looks like your aunt is just.. 🤢
I missed the old Phoebe it pisses me off how she changed so much after season 3. She irritated me alot in season 5 and 6 she blamed everything on Cole and was always so quick to blame something on anyone but herself. She became so selfish to and I will never understand why it’s ridiculous to me
@@bryannoelle Right? Phoebe could be self-centered in the early seasons (like throwing a fit over being last on the shower schedule when Piper and Prue were the ones who had to be up early to go to work) but for the most part, her heart was in the right place. She was downright ridiculous in the later seasons, though. Everything always had to revolve around her and whichever guy she was with at the time. 🙄
Shannon was supposed to appear in the finale in season 8 but she refused she didn't like the script
No that wasn't the case, Shannen WANTED to come back a few times but Brad Kern refused to pay her because he said "I could bring back Leo, grams, mom, dad, every magical creature from the community, or spend all that money to pay one person (Shannen). She did ask for a big amount $$ but she wanted to come back, Brad Kern was stubborn and didn't want her. Watch his season 8 interviews
With the patty in witchstock, crashing doesn't mean baby sitting. She could've been 15 or something and being kept away from the and creep leo/sungod. Lol.
Lol true!
It’s been awhile that Phoebe she never had her premonition she didn’t become a telepath and then her powers were removed and then she got her promotion back since these comic witches the three Blondies were trying to take over them and then she punched a blonde witch in the nose and then this is where she start to get premonition back
I just rewatched the Allan haliwell scene when he says patty is at his sisters he said nothing about patty being babysat just that she staying the night there
I know, I got the sense that it was more implied than said outright
18:45 not the snarky Phil in the Future reference. Girl you crack me up. I can't with you 🤦🏾♂️😂🤣
I have never found anyone who has the same loathing for S6 and that Chris *Perry* character as I do lol
And ps yes i use his *real* name because i still refuse to believe he's a Halliwell lol
FTR i don't think Paige died when the Titans arrived. I think that was one of the many lies he told. In the spider episode, he said Paige was the aunt he went to the most to ask for money in the future.
Which btw is weird because in the Titan episode, he was eyeing Paige up sexually when they first met so maybe he was supposed to be her love interest misusing magic before they thought of Richard.
Chris was just all round strange. Strange!!!
Anyway thank you so much for this cathartic video. Youre my spirit animal. Blessed be 🙏🏾 😌
Haha, I'm so glad you liked the reference!! I was seriously considering doing the Phil theme song too, but I thought that would be a bit much, haha.. 😆
And WHAT?! OMG, I completely forgot about the scene where Chris says that, otherwise I definitely would have included it! Jeez, I feel like there needs to be a video deconstructing all Chris's many lies and how he really wasn't a very nice person.. 🤔
@@weirdlybeloved what you're gonna give us another video? Well you won't see me complaining 😁
I can excuse the Titans/Paige dying thing with just "Chris is lying out of his ass to cover up what he is here for". I feel like a lot of things were forced by Holly's pregnancy, but I feel it's not That Bad, but I might be biased (season 6 is a hot mess but it's MY hot mess, ya feel).
There were a few breadcrumbs on a rewatch, like hinting he had known the sisters "all his life" (in the episode with the Stillman sisters), his disdain for Leo (daddy issues aren't unknown to the family, as Prue herself had huge daddy issues) is always there. Sure a lot of it feels like them grasping at straws, but I feel like they did the best they could.
I feel like they could have leaned harder into his moral ambiguity that was there originally (Chris is responsible for my affection for characters who come back from the bad future to try to change it by any means), but I am prooooobably very biased. I love the idea of a Halliwell willing to get his hands dirty and do morally grey things to stop an awful future from happening.
And by the time he kissed not-Phoebe he already KNEW that was not the real Phoebe. He figured it out, because "all his life he had known them, he had never seen them take the bait like that". Still gross, because his memories still gotta be with fake-Phoebe being his aunt, but like. At least he KNOWS its not REALLY her.
Do you know what plot hole really drives me insane about this show? Well, two things.
One - time travel. How does time travel even work???? Sometimes changing the past rewrites the future (Witchstock - Penny staying a hippie makes her present ghost self a hippie too, like she never changed), or Season 7, when Wyatt is influenced he changes to his evil self, and when the imaginary friend shit is dealt with, he becomes good again. Other times it's... nonsense. Like in Forever Charmed - if the Jenkins sisters took Wyatt's powers, how come adult Wyatt "suddenly lost his power"? Why would he even remember having powers if they were taken when he was a child? HOW DOES TIME TRAVEL WORK, IT MAKES NO SENSE, PICK TO ONE WAY AND STICK TO IT, CHARMED. Not to mention the entire season 6, where despite Chris changing the past all the time, HE doesn't seem to remember any new timeline, and he doesn't seem to change at all. The only way it seems like there is anything going on, is Piper drinking the potion to turn Chris back from being a spider demon. As biased as I am about season 6, the time travel end of it, as compelling is it to me, it does mess up the mythology a LOT
(And then there is the Lady Godiva stuff where even though the past changes the sisters still remember what's up. But in the episode where Cole kills Paige before she becomes a Charmed One, everything changes, and the only reason Paige remembers is because she sneeze-orbed when time was rewritten. SO MANY INCONSISTENCIES ABOUT HOW TIME TRAVEL AND TIME BEING REWRITTEN WORKS)
Two - Cole. Just the "well you chose to become the source of all evil" retcon. No the fuck he didn't. But enough people already ranted about that enough times. We probably all know how annoying that is at this point.
Lol, fair enough ~ and I had forgotten about Chris's line about knowing the sisters 'all his life' until I rewatched that part for a recent video! Guess there were more breadcrumbs than I thought, haha.. though I still think Chris was intended to be a villain, but they switched gears when they learned about Holly's pregnancy. He just came off waaaay too sinister in the beginning, you know?
And right?! Charmed waffled on their rules of time travel so much that it's honestly getting hard to find any consistency at all! I just rewatched A Witch In Time and was mentally screaming at how easy it was for Bacarra to create a ripple and travel back in time six months! Like honestly, if I were Piper I would have just stayed in there until it rewound all the way back to the day Prue died and ran out and saved her. UGH, so frustrating! If a random bad guy like Bacarra could do it, then the Charmed Ones should have been able to do it too!
And yeah, what the show - and the sisters - did to Cole was simply unbelievable. And I like how Phoebe - who actually DID choose to be evil, unlike Cole - is welcomed back with open arms, but Cole who was manipulated and tricked every step of the way is persona non grata. I mean, Phoebe wasn't even glad to see that her husband wasn't in a demon hellscape anymore! You would think that she'd at least be glad he didn't have to suffer THAT fate, but no.. she just calls him an evil bastard and acts like he's to blame for everything. Phoebe is just.. oof. She's definitely my least favorite sister for a reason.
The titan loophole would have made sense if you account for the charmed ones changing the time line by defeating the titans. Time line 1, titans rule, no power of three yada yada yada. Chris goes back in time, changes stuff and titans are gone, which would also affect the future obviously, so if he would go back he would step in time line 2. As the titan line is no longer existing, if we go with how they did the future stuff in other episodes, chris should have his memories altered thanks to the titans no longer ruining everything which opened the path for wyatt to become evil as the source of why chris traveled back in time. They never used that trick to alter the present when the charmed ones would go back in time as far as i remember ( well, aside from the shax situation, but that was more of a demon thing where they kept rewinding time so that shax would succeed instead of the charmed ones rewinding time. Makes you wonder why demons didn't do that more times, if they had that kind of power though ) since it would mess the continuity up but other characters traveling from the future to the present? Fair game for manipulation so that the future would be different.
Hi! I actually pinned a comment on my Charmed Theories - Revisited video regarding the Chris future thing, so I can just copy/paste that here and if you have any questions please let me know!
(from the pinned comment) It's highly unlikely that Chris's memories of the future were being altered as things changed in the present, as he still remembers much of his future (about Bianca, about the Valkyries, that the blob needed all three sisters to defeat, that whatever happens to Wyatt happens before he is born, etc.) and before he goes back to the future in It's A Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad World he repeatedly expresses that he doesn't know what sort of future he's going back to or what to expect after all the changes.
Okay I have to do it😂😂😂
1. Leo healed the BOS. His powers are healing. The orbs are all energy they can manipulate it according to how the Elders imbue them with it. Remember how the Elders control their powers.
2. They needed him to be born in the Manor so that he could learn to overcome the greatest evil. If he was born in a hospital he wouldn't have been as strong. Gideon might have succeeded.
3. Because it was a marriage not a spell
4. The Nexus is like the physical body of a human, the Woogey is like the unconscious manifestation of the psyche of a human. Every magical thing has 4 aspects: Nexus, Woogey, Manor, Book of Shadows. The Nexus is Mass. Woogey is the "demonic side". The BOS is the good side and the Manor is the container of the Nexus.
5. Harry Potter cash grab.
6. Because he changed the future. When you change one event you alter everything By saving Paige he altered the Future. That includes memories of the future too! His main character plot was that every time he tried to save the future it would go awry. That's how Wyatt turned evil. You put out 1 fire and another one springs up.
7. He's hot. What else do you need. They wanted to do a twist so they hid the pregnancy. Imagine how alone Chris felt. He was holding the weight of being Charmed all on his own. If he failed the entire world would end. He had no-one to talk to unlike the sisters who had each other.
8. Time Travel Paradox Resolution rules apply. People had kids at young ages in those days. It was a different time. For practical reasons casting different actors helps the emotional tone of the show.
-Grams was high she didn't know what she was saying back then.
9. Well that one is pretty obvious. 😂😂😂 I mean if Rose accused Alyssa of Human Trail king on national TV I think we can forgive Shane for leaving and the show for never mentioning her again.
10. Their powers are linked to their emotions and as the show goes on, Phoebe gets more and more self centred. I mean in episode 2 she tried to win the lotto. In Season 2 she got executed for using her powers for personal gain. She becomes a celebrity etc. Her visions reflect that. I agree with you that she's the strongest. She feels everything out first and then acts. Also her lust saves the world in Apocalypse Not. If she wasn't attracted to that demon they wouldn't have found a solution. If she wasn't attracted to Cole, he wouldn't have hesitated in killing them.
This was fun. Can't wait for part 3.
1) It's just weird that the orbs were never shown to be a controllable entity before or after this, you know?
2) Idk.. I don't think they knew anything about Wyatt supposedly being so powerful until after they had already decided to have a home birth, and even then they said something about worrying he'd be born in orbs and that's why they wanted it at home, not anything about power.
3) True, but it still feels like Phoebe becoming the Queen of all evil would have had SOME effect.
4) Huh.. that's very interesting!
5) Yup.
6) The problem with that is that Chris arrived the day Paige supposedly died, so that's when the butterfly effect started. For Paige to have been alive to fight the blob with her sisters, it would have had to happen before that point in time, as the period before Chris arrived was completely unaltered by his time travel.
7) Being hot doesn't mean his story makes sense at all lolll 😂
8) That's a bit TOO young though, and it feels like it was something that would have been explained somewhere in the show, given that they went out of their way to give us a complete backstory on everything else, you know?
9) As I said in the video, I think it's more about what it says in-universe and to the fans who watched that trio for three years than the behind-the-scenes issues.
10) So true lol.
@@weirdlybelovedJust wanna comment on. 6 real quick. It actually wouldn’t. From the time Chris arrived to the time he died, everything he did altered the future. Depending on how the writers were trying to write in time travel, every time he went back, things would have been different. So when he saved Paige from the titan, that would have changed his future to include her.
The only thing I’d like to know is how he knew Paige helped to fight the blob… was he constantly travelling back and forth to check what changed or was his memories updated with each change that was made?
@@austinzwicker3662 Yeah, that's what I'm saying ~ Chris arriving altered the future, not the past, so in Chris's future Paige would have already been long dead when the blob showed up.
@@weirdlybeloved I see what you’re saying but I think the idea was that Chris’s memories were changing as he was changing the future. So when he changed Paige’s death, she was then there for the blob and his memory also changed to reflect that. Or the writers just weren’t thinking things through while writing the show 😂 … I like my thought tho. Kinda makes more sense
@@austinzwicker3662 I don't think that's the case, since Chris mentioned multiple times that after all the changes he's made, he doesn't know what sort of future he'd even be going back to, so that tells us his memories of the future are unaffected by changes made in the present.
The Nexus and the Woogy/Shadow feel like careless writing but I head canon it to mean that the Nexus is the location/power source and the Woogy is just a demon that feeds off it, and that they just look similar. Charmed had a horrible habit of making references to past seasons without actually rewatching the episodes they referenced. Like Paige forgetting how Piper and Paige vanquished the Source (she was there!!!! *throws shoe at tv*), Baccarra using one heart to diesmpower them (Tuatha needed 3 hearts and she was more powerful--also why was this evil spell in the Book of Shadows?!?! It was in Tuatha's BOS, and in s5 now it's in theirs?), and Phoebe telling Paige Piper was once engaged to a warlock (when she was never engaged to Jeremy).
Omigosh, nice catches!! I never noticed that about Tuatha's book, and that 'engaged' thing always confused me! Wow.. I love Charmed but continuity was not its strong point, lol.
But hey, at least it keeps the show from getting boring, haha. in fact, I'm actually working on another 'ten things that didn't make sense' video, would you mind if I mentioned those two things? I would be happy to credit you!
“Good witches don’t freeze” if I remember correctly the sisters have been frozen before also when Piper tried to freeze prue when she attacking them should won’t freeze but when phoebe was possed by the woogyman she froze why? And I remember correct he froze because she was turned evil but so was prue when she was using her power for evil
I was pleased by the end Phoebe got. In fact, I never liked her character after season 1. She was transformed into that i'm-in-love in almost every episode and was too sexualised to my taste. Granted Alyssa is pretty and everything but she was given too many storylines, and too much time. Paige deserved much much better...Piper got a great ending, I was happy to see the older version of herself with her grandkids..
Phoebe is, to me, what Carrie was for SATC : me me me me me....
5:56 I think it made sense that Phoebe and Paige didn’t want Piper to give birth at a hospital, since Wyatt was born surrounded by orbs. However, they could have just rented a place or something 😭 Prue would have kicked both of them in the head for just suggesting that lol.
Very true! I had forgotten about the scene where Piper worries about the baby being born in swaddling orbs when I made this video.. my bad.. 😓
Okay about the Titan thing it is possible that originally the Titans took over the world in Chris future but then when he went back in time to save the charmed ones the events that took place there may have erased the Titan's from Chris future creating a new future where Wyatt is still evil because as we know Wyatt was always evil in Chris future but maybe changing the past somehow eliminated the Titans from the future.
That's a great point! I definitely wondered about that, but didn't Chris say at the end of the season five finale that he wouldn't even know what kind of future he'd be going back to with the Titans defeated? That makes me think that Chris is unaware of what sort of butterfly effect the changes made in the present are having on the future..?
I'm really not sure! Chris's plotline is such a mess that it's hard to tell if he's lying or it's just bad writing! 🤔
That scenario wouldn't add up either. If the Titans were in control, Wyatt would have never turn evil because the Charmed Ones, Wyatt the entire magical community would have spend their entire lives evading and trying to defeat the Titans, and Wyatt wouldn't have become evil because he wouldn't have had a chance to. Unless, of course, Wyatt managed to defeat the Titans and take over. However, that seems implausible since we know Wyatt turns evil due to Gideon's constant attempts to kill him and it is not like he going to defeat the Titans and then suddenly take over himself .
Now you might argue that Chris altered the future when he travelled back in time to save his aunts, creating a new timeline. But if that were the case, why didn't he acknowledge that killing the Titans resulted in a new set of memories? He could have stated that he now has two set of memories one where Titan ruled and the other where his brother ruled but he lived in timeline where the Titans ruled. However his memories of the original timeline remained unchanged, showing Wyatt had always been in charge and evil.
Also, when Chris visited the future, there was no mention of the Titans and he seemed to know how to evade his brother tech like he has always evaded it, and same with the woman he interacted (like he has always know her, and not because of the new timeline or new memories). There was also nothing mentioned about the old timeline where Titans ruled. Finally, Chris has always stated to the sisters that he travelled back in time to stop Wyatt.
The titans plot didn't make sense either way you look at it, so maybe Chris just lied about the Titans ruling the future or maybe the writers didn't have a clear idea where they wanted to go with Titan plot.
@@weirdlybelovedI completely agree that Chris's storyline didn't make much sense. Granting him the power to banish an elder seemed out of place, and his apparent conflict with Leo added to the confusion, and on top of that Chris has stated that he learned to "orb" among other things from his aunt ...but if she died then how did he learn it, so many inconsistent. Also, it's worth noting that Chris's girlfriend from the future managed to knock out Leo, an elder with significant powers. Leo's abilities appear to be inconsistent, fluctuating between moments of strength and weakness.
Ps
Also, when Phoebe first discovers that he is a Whitelighter after she catches him floating lol, he also demonstrates the ability to heat things up. This is shown when he heats the tea in her coffee mug to the point there is steam.
Or Chris lied because he didn't want to tell the girls about why he was really there
@@abbysands9510Great points!! And oh man, I forgot about that Leo heating the cup thing! I wish I'd remembered before making this video! :(
I always wondered why max, the boy from season 1 with psycokenesis, didn’t have a white lighter until Leo kind of barely stepped in? Like I never got the policy of who gets a white lighter and who doesn’t
@@ursulacg Right? Especially since Max's mom was a witch too, so she should have had a whitelighter that could have at least looked after him until he got one of his own..
The titans not ruling chris’ future can be explained away as a lie because he couldn’t tell them that Wyatt would be evil in the future and he was trying to get the sisters to trust him and Leo out of the way
But he had told them about Wyatt by the very next episode (season six premiere) so I'm not sure why he couldn't have told them right when he came back from the future? 🤔
phoebe and paige where scard that the baby woud come out in orbs
Ohhhh.. I'd forgotten about that! Thank you, that makes so much more sense!
You‘re 100% right but still the birth didn’t HAVE to take place in the manor. The world is not the manor.
@@KillStealMusic True! And now that I think about it, didn't Leo have memory dust or something in one episode? In the worst case scenario, couldn't they have just used that or something to make the doctors forget what they saw? 🤔
@@weirdlybelovedThey could have used it but I do remember Leo telling the girls that the Elders don’t like using memory dust because you never know what said person is forgetting; Appointments, Meetings, plans etc.
Though, if they had Wyatt in a hospital they could have had the cleaners help. I do believe Leo at least knew about them.
you are not following the rules of time travel. Chris is from the future. each time he changes the past that changes the future
The thing is that Charmed is very inconsistent with those "rules." Besides, I'm not sure how what you said apparently means I was wrong?
If you give the writers waaaay more credit than I think there due, you could argue that Chris originally came back to stop the titans but once he’d done that the future changed meaning Wyatt would turn evil, meaning his internal character motivation would have shifted without Chris realising it himself because the future he came from had changed. Viewing the character as constantly being subject to the butterfly effect could also possibly explain some other inconsistencies but it still doesn’t address him messing with Piper and Leo and I think it’s definitely a stretch.
@@JayT-g7l Well said! Something I've also been wondering lately is.. Chris supposedly came back to stop Wyatt turning evil and it was Gideon that caused that, but Chris said that in his future ALL of the Elders were killed so.. hour did that apparently happen?? So many inconsistencies!
That could be explained that in his timeline it's written off that Leo found out that Gideon tried to turn Wyatt evil and in the history books it is said that the Titans killed all the elders and whitelighters (since history is always changed in real life) or that he lied bc he was a known liar
Piper sucks by the end too. Paige is the most consistently heroic of the sisters by the end of the show.
Yeah.. Piper has been my favorite sister since I was little, but the more I watch the later seasons the more I'm like.. wow, when did she start being that mean? 😳
I think you're right about Paige, because as much as she got tired of being a witch, saving the innocent almost always came first.
One thing which keeps coming up with questions
when Phoebe overcome her Fear with the Woogeyman?
We learn in Season 1 she is afraid about the Basement because of the Woogeyman, and The Woogeyman is one of her most Fear.
but when she's not afraid of him? When was the Time, she overcome that fear? We never see that happen and thats bug me a little bit,
because in Season 2 Episode 1, he's comes back and she still afraid about him and next appearance is in Season 5 and that's so odd, because she has no fear anymore about that.
It could be soo cool, if we actually see that happen in a Episode focussing around that, maybe season 3 or 4.
that she really overcome that Fear and next time in Season 5 then it would be makes more sense.
I wondered that, too! I suppose it's implied that the confirmation that her childhood monster was actually real and vanquishing it helped her overcome her fear, but.. Idk. I feel like if I was in her place, I would have always been at least a little afraid of it no matter what, you know?
@@weirdlybeloved yeah i totally agree with that. and that's was actually we seeing in Season 2, she still is afraid it, and i get it, that the idea was, after everything she's been trough with Cole, she more Fearless, but still. it's came out of nowhere and it could be more Character Development if we just can see that happen. Or showing us, she still has a little fear about the Shadow of The Nexus/Woogeyman, but no, they kept that until the end.
what a shame.
In S2 when she saw the Shadow again it was a surprise. But not so much in S5. She was expecting it. So also went down the stairs with some apprehension. Not as confidently as she normally would.
And also by that time, 3yrs had passed and she had vanquished the Source of Evil twice already. I don't think a childhood story would have the same effect on her as it used to.
But I take the point that they could have acknowledged that somehow. Although we can argue that since she and Cole were sword fighting in the basement in S4 that she's not as scared as she used to be.
The Magic School thing is one of the biggest annoying things brought in later though to be fair as I've shared before, I loathed the magical fairytale CW type style the show went to after Constance's departure. Anyway it's annoying because it was so clearly just an excuse to rip off Harry Potter that was popular at this time. And you can tell by how sloppily it was introduced for the reasons you mentioned like if it really was a thing, why didn't Grams enrol them in there? And considering how in the later half of the show when Gideon is defeated, they hardly ever go back to magic school and that even the elders were planning on closing the school down and couldn't give less of a damn preserving it until Paige steps up to run it. It's just so tacky, so awful, just horrible writing all around lol
And the Witchstock episode, I still remember hearing the fact checking of Gram's age and how she was 14 when she got knocked up with Patty, was all kinds of what the actual f*ck LMAO And you brought up a funny inconsistency of Gram's age/appearance that literally happens in the same episode, how in the hell can she age 20 years in a few months? Silly madness haha.
The Prue erasure was especially heinous. Like fine whatever, they couldn't bring her back but they could've still left some mementos like you suggested. They actually kinda did this in the season 4 debut with Piper wearing Prue's leather jacket but it was only for that episode. They should've had it be a regular thing she wore that could symbolize that Prue was always with her in spirit through that jacket and by wearing it, she feels the strength of her older beloved sister within her keeping the original power of three meaning intact metaphorically.
And Phoebe. Just... AWFUL. She went from the heart of the show to one of the worst. It's like two different characters...
But let's be honest, I feel like most of these plot-holes wouldn't have come up had Constance stayed on and they allowed her to continue being a writing force for it since it was her idea and even if she was making it up as she went, I just feel like she would remember more things versus Kern who clearly wasn't that interested in the lore of the story.
Same here! Magic School was annoying enough as it is, but the fact that we had to hear about it almost EVERY episode afterwards was like.. omigosh, can the writers PLEASE give it a break already? And I had forgotten the Elders were just going to straight-up shut down the school! Wow, they really ARE terrible, aren't they? One Elder goes rogue and they decide to completely abandon the idea altogether. They clearly didn't care about the welfare of anyone involved.. Ugh.. they're just awful.
And right?! Prue deserved SO much better, in every way. I didn't realize until the Charmed Theories - Revisited video that it turns out Phoebe actually did end up wearing some of Prue's clothes later on, but still.. they were so disrespectful to her memory, and they really took the saying 'out of sight, out of mind' to heart when it came to her. So sad. :(
Also agree! Brad Kern is the worst. Not only did he oust Constance from the show, but he went on to ruin every bit of character development she had made. What an awful human being.. whoever decided it would be better for him to run the show than Constance should have been fired right along with Brad himself.
“Good witches don’t freeze” if I remember correctly the sisters have been frozen before also when Piper tried to freeze prue when she attacking them should won’t freeze but when phoebe was possed by the woogyman she froze why?
@@Aethan.Capcut Good point!
Also didn’t Grams freeze Piper with a spell? I’d say that “quick as a sneeze” freezing spell uses the same time stop magic Piper has, as it even has the same base sound effect.
Honestly it seems more like Piper just doesn’t freeze her sisters/good witches, maybe that’s just Piper being able to selectively not freeze certain people?? Ugh this is so confusing.
For your Chris point there were some lines before Chris Crossed that hinted at it but some are stretches, Two off the top of my head: in the blondes one Chris says “in all my life…” to which Phoebe even questions the wording that Chris dismisses and doesn’t bring up again. Another moment (the stretchy one) is when Paige is teasing Leo about the sun god name and Chris is in the back of the shot losing his mind - it feels like when a kid learns about their parent’s past, could just be me projecting but that’s the vibe I got. There was at least one or two more but I can’t remember off the the top of my head.
Yeah, that line was always a big clue in to me that he knew then far better than they believed and it’s not like the writers let it go without mention, they have Phoebe directly comment on it (subtly wasn’t really there thing at one point).
That’s also why I’ve never understood why the fandom thinks Chris actually slept with Blonde Phoebe. He says they did but she denies it and before they can further speak on it, the infighting starts. Not to mention the very same episode has him firmly and wholly deny her advances. I’ve always seen it as a ploy by him after the stunt in the sun room because he was suspicious of them. He claims to sleep with blonde Phoebe to egg on the fight between the Stillman Sisters. Nothing more or less than that.
Ooh, nice catches!! I'm going to have to re-watch those episodes, because I really wanna see that! So it's The Power of Three Blondes and... Witchstock?
@@weirdlybelovedAlso rewatch Loves a witch
CHRIS: (glances up) Oops. Looks like Wyatt needs another baby-sitter
... dad.
@@weirdlybelovedPS: Later comment in Loves a Witch
CHRIS PERRY: (to LEO) Well, it looks like we're one big happy family again.
LEO: You're not family.
Obviously, Chris was right and Leo was wrong.
I may be late to the party, but isn't it weird Prue didn't answer the question even though she was under the Truth spell?
Right?! I just rewatched that episode here recently and I was like.. uh, wait.. something isn't adding up here lol
@@weirdlybeloved Also, why not ask Hannah and Rex if they are warlocks? This was pretty much a missed opportunity on Prue's part.
@@coldcoder3138 Exactly! It's not like anyone would have remembered answering the question anyway, so it was Prue's golden opportunity to get to the bottom of her suspicions about them!
I love your videos! One thing that really doesn't make sense is how much more powerful Wyatt is than Chris. Wyatt is the son of a whitelighter and a charmed one but Chris is the son of an ELDER and a charmed one. And for that matter, Paige IS a charmed one and the daughter of a whitelighter and is nowhere near as powerful. Wyatt seems to have unlimited power and Chrs just has telekinesis (in addition to his whitelighter powers). And Wyatt has all this power before he even turns 3!
Thank you so much! And definitely agreed ~ Chris should have been WAY more powerful than he was!
Wyatt was the firstborn though, and Piper's son. She was the oldest sister by that point so she was the strongest. Plus there was all that other stuff going on when he was born. It was the Sabbath and the Aurora Borealis and something else I forget. That's why Wyatt was more powerful.
I know what you're talking about when he was born, The Day Magic Died. The Aurora Borealis did happen that night but I don't think that's why he was powerful. He was already so powerful before he was even born. You might be right, that it's because he's the first born but I still think Chris should've been a little more powerful since he is also Piper's son and Leo was an elder. Why didn't he inherit any elder abilities since those things were usually passed down? There's just such an extreme difference in power between the boys.
@@BrieB-dy5mb There really is. Especially since Elders seem to have a wider range of abilities than whitelighters - like lightning throwing, sense what's going on in and around the world - but Chris wasn't just less powerful than Wyatt, he was just less powerful in general, and it really doesn't make sense at all. :(
dang, season 6 is one of my faves, lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 when I saw the title I died!
Lol!! 🤣
chris, saying there was no breadcrumbs,,, he knew the Stillman sisters were fake, and in the earlier episodes both Prue "nice orbs" and Phoebe hit on Leo, so theyve never had strong boundaries, but when it comes to the big reveal, Phoebe asks did she ever hit on him, and Chris is "ew no", but none of them ever crossed the line... iirc
Phoebe did hit on him though. In Oh My Goddess, after they transform. She asks "Do you have a girlfriend in the future?" and it's obvious she was attracted to him then. Why in the hell they put that in there I will never know. Regardless of which story was true (that he was her son or her nephew) they're blood relatives and it's disgusting.
Hmm.. there's a lot of things about Chris that didn't add up, so it's kind of hard to tell when Chris is lying or it's just bad storytelling, but Phoebe definitely did hit on him after becoming a Goddess.. also I think you meant to say Paige, as Prue had already passed on by the time Chris arrived ~
@@weirdlybeloved No, Prue said that to Leo in Ex Libris, season 2.
@@PittsburghSportsFan43 Ohhhh whoops, my bad! I thought they were talking about post season 4! 😓
great video weirdly ps you heard of the dark crystal?
Thank you! And I'm not sure! What's it about?
@@weirdlybeloved this THE DARK CRYSTAL [1982] - Official Trailer (HD) / Sony Pictures Entertainment
th-cam.com/video/eaH6cOR8NKc/w-d-xo.html
I always wondered why they didn't hire a look a like to replace prue, as a ghost and for pictures and stuff
Me too! I mean, they hired someone to look like her from the back in the episode Cat House, so it stands to reason that they could have just gone all the way and like you said, hired a look a like! Heck, maybe they could have brought back the little girl that played little Prue in That 70's Episode, because she honestly did look a LOT like Shannen Doherty!
I recently found out that Shannon owned her likeness and the character Prue's likeness; I guess that's why in the books/comics she had to be made a blonde. @@weirdlybeloved