The two things for me in Charmed that didn't make sense: 1. In the episode "Witchstock", the sisters travelled back in time to 1968 and met a younger Grams, who was married to Alan, a mortal guy. At one point they mentioned Patty being babysat. Huh? Prue was born two years later. Did Patty give birth at the age of six? 2. There was no reason given *in-universe* as to why no pictures of Prue remained after her death. They loved their sister and if anything, would treasure the pictures they did have of her all the more. So there should have been something that happened to erase them all. They could have had her erased from time completely, with only their own memories to confirm that she really had existed, but they didn't do that.
Yes! The season 6 episode where they go back in time to see Grams in 1968 makes no sense with the timeline. That should have been ~1948-50ish if Patty was a toddler/young child as Prue was born in 1970. The show clearly didn't work out the family tree and everyone's birth dates and have all the writers learn it. This is lazy in my opinion.
@@xwinwinwinx As it's a show about magic, they could have invented an explanation, no matter how strange. For instance, suppose there had been a literal witch-hunt shortly after the events of the episode, which threatened the lives of Grams, Patty and by extension the as-yet-unborn Charmed Ones. Grams could have taken Patty back in time 20 years and altered all the family tree documents, so that by the time of the witch-hunt, Patty was a 24-year-old woman in control of her powers instead of a vulnerable 4-year-old. That meant that the Charmed Ones were born 20 years earlier than they were originally supposed to have been. In the original, lost reality, they would have been born in the 1990s and had their adventures in the 2010s. That would then relate to the rebooted series, as that featured a set of Charmed Ones born in the 1990s and having their adventures in the 2010s, but as different people with different parents, but this would have been an alternative reality asserting at least part of what should have been.
OMG.. I never noticed that in Witchstock!!! Wtf?! That's even worse than the Leo thing! How did they keep writing stuff like this without at least checking a timeline of their own show?! Ugh.. that is ridiculous! And right?! The showrunners really fumbled the ball there too, because to just completely erase Prue's presence was not only a slap in the face to their sisterhood, but the audience as well. They could have at least kept little nods to her in the show - like on the anniversary of Prue's death they could have worn an outfit of hers or something, or had her cameras on display somewhere. But nope.. the way they chose to handle that whole thing was really tacky imo. 😔
The actress who played patty was originally gonna be the one the girls went to visit but she was still filming for another movie after the script was wrote so they just brought in grams.
Did I miss the part where it says Patty's an little kid also in the episode where they went back to the 70s prue was 5 Piper was 3 and Phoebe on the way in 1975 if Patty was 25 that means she had prue at 20 but 2 years ago she was a little kid?? She should have been at 18 unless she was a wild child and had to be watched like Phoebe in her reunion episode well that does explain where she got it from
This show was fun, but never made sense. They wrote plot lines and lore from episode to episode, and changed things to fit whatever episode they were in.
@@weirdlybeloved I have a theory about Patty The charmed one’s mother she was a wild teenager so could she be lying about Phoebe‘s father for example her father must be Nicolas so she was kind of wild in the past in her in her 18 years and in her adult years just like Phoebe when she was a teenager just like Phoebe she was also a wild child Phoebe and she was also trouble if Nicolas was Phoebe’s father Phoebe would’ve have daddy issues In my theory she had two children with Victor Prue & Piper At that time when she was pregnant with Phoebe in the past she already split up with Victor so they have broken up a long time ago so this means someone else had to be the father of a child so Nicolas was dating Patty He wanted a future for her so there were some complications between them also this would I have broken Phoebe she wouldn’t have a lot of issues with her biological father if it was Nicolas but not Victor probably Victor He always treated Phoebe has his own daughter
@@weirdlybelovedis true that in this episode Phoebe she was a recorrer nation of her past life so she was getting these memories but it was not really her it was her great grandmother P Russell she was the one who did all the evil in the past life Sophie B has that pass while she nearly went in that path but she always believed doing something for the great of good Do you ever see that happening have you seen the teaser the charm teaser about the Warrens because there is these rumors that's it could be possible that Charmed will get a prequel before there were three sisters they were free cousins have you seen this teaser everyone got excited and there was a Paramount logo Paramount +
@@user-pm2ol3bz1zI actually have seen The Warrens teaser trailer! There's been a lot of requests to do a video on it, so that video should be going up this Friday! :D
For number 4. A Paige from the past. They couldn’t use the door 10 episodes previously. Because the door only allowed you to relive the past moment. Not interact with or change it
I know, I just think it's a really weird mechanic to introduce (especially so soon) after the season three finale. Though they definitely could interact with it, like how Paige told her parents about how she'd change and that she loved them. It's like you could only change little things - they could have at least told Prue goodbye and that they loved her. 💔
@@weirdlybeloved I agree it would have been nice to see prue atleast once after her death. But it was the producers who didn’t want her back at all, so they wouldn’t have to pay her. They ever removed all pictures of her from the set. So they wouldn’t have to pay her royalties for episodes, if her image was show.
@@weirdlybeloved if they could did that they could have just told Phoebe not to go down to the underworld or what about the season 8 finale where Piper went back it time to save Paige and Phoebe she could have brought prue back I mean yea she did that with coops ring but they met a coupet in season 2 if one coupet can do it why can't the one they met a season prior to prue's death do it too
@@user-fx9ho3cb4f Right? There's just so many examples of the how the girls went back in time on their own power that it makes the events of AHBL almost pointless.
For the cleaners I always head-canoned that they were created by both sides to avoid the mess with Prue. I don’t remember them saying when they were created one way or another so it’s semi plausible
Here’s the thing tho, Since Prue died she was the sister of the charmed one’s with telekinesis, after Prue died then came Paige, Paige literally got prue’s telekinesis but in the form of orbs due to her white lighter side, and Paige was able to do the EXACT same things prue did when she had telekinesis but as orbs, so actually, I think the writers were on to something letting Paige also use astral projection in the season 7 finale, if prue and Paige have telekinesis, why can’t Paige astral project like Prue did in the form of orbs. It makes sense since they both have telekinesis but Paige has to call for it and it comes in orbs whole Prue only uses her mind and hands to move objects and deflect attacks. So really the writers should have explained how they were able to use astral projection but they should have also made Paige able to use astral project in the matter did orbs for a reason because she was the next telekinetic sister after Prue so both telekinetic’s and one was able to astral project and astral project is simply making 2 of yourself but your primary self is down, so Paige Really had the potential to use astral project but the writers kept throwing in random stuff so probably that got thrown out of the way to.
@@weirdlybeloved That’s true because phoebe and piper wouldn’t somehow get a way to use astral projection since it was apart of telekinesis because molecular manipulation doesn’t add up to astral projection only telekinesis does but since there was no spell, my theory was that phoebe had to somehow use a spell that could of allow her to channel past powers in order for her to channel and replicate astral projection from prue without a spell because they can’t travel back in time without a spell but the thing is that phoebe needs to be near the person and the power used on her to use it so I think that with my spell theory she could have used both empathic channeling and replication to not only channel the astral projection power but to also replicate it and somehow give a piece of it to both sisters. It would make sense to me considering that in an episode of season 4 or 5 I forgot that they summoned the witch doctor to expel the evil left over within the house should have been filled with good magic to considering how much they used in the past couple of times it would make sense for that theory to be somewhat true.
When Barbas was vanquished, he died and along with that his power and limitations. But the Source resurrected him because he was the closest to ever kill two charmed ones in one go (at the time and also was the first to do this), showing how powerful he was. After being resurrected, his limitations were basically null and void but the source gave him power. At that point, he became their nemesis and continued to tried to get his revenge for his own vanquish.
I don't remember the show saying anything about the Source playing any sort of role in what happened with Barbas.. do you remember which episode that was? 🤔
My theory on the cleaners not being involved in AHBL is because of interference from the angels of destiny. I think Prue was destined to die to give the remaining Charmed Ones a better chance of defeating the Source, like when they tried to kill off Leo in season seven. I hate to say it, but Prue held her sisters back in a way that wouldn’t allow them to grow to their full potential. I also think she had more of a chance than Phoebe of actually going dark. We saw a little of it when Piper was shot and died but Prue was always the sister to use her active power the most for personal gain. At least in the earlier seasons. She even used it to punish mortals. She used it on Alice to get her out of the house. She used in on her dad in the third episode of season one. She used it on the man in the neighboring cell when she was jailed during the whole tiara/ murdering of Jaime incident. If she continued the way she was, I think it was a strong possibility that her reckless pride would have not only gotten herself killed but one or both of her sisters. Then where would the power of three be?
Some great points. In watching the series again with the family, I have noticed that more how Prue uses her powers all the time for just little things, including taking revenge on people all the time, starting with Rodger in the first two episodes. I think you can make an argument that AHBL is a tragedy showing Prue's fall into darkness. She used her power on innocents. Yeah, she had a good reason, but it still was the beginning of the end for her. She could never be a Charmed One again after that.
@lanaleshelton4788 @shawnn7502 Wow, your comments really make me see Prue in a whole new light! I never really thought about just how much Prue used her powers against other people just because she could! And speaking of her reckless pride, when she was infected with the sin in Sin Francisco she actually DID end up putting her sisters at risk by jumping down the bottomless pit the guy opened up just for the sake of 'winning,' despite that meaning that her sisters would never see her again and be without the power of three! The only reason she was saved was because Leo orbed her out in time, and even then she was mad at them! It's like.. honestly, it was only a matter of time before her actions ended badly. 😢
@6:30 Here is my Theory. I'm pretty sure this was The Source's plan all along. He had tried to kill off the charmed ones and failed, and rewound time to try again, each time having learned something. The sisters didn't know time was being rewound and didn't remember anything. At the beginning of the episode, Pru says she feels a chill, and she calls out to Phoebe. Then Shax attacks, injuring the girls quite badly, but Phoebe is on her way downstairs and she calls for Leo. The look Leo gives after healing them indicates he knows how close to death they were, and how differently things could have turned out if Phoebe hadn't called when she did. So The Source would need to make sure Phoebe wasn't around to call Leo. He would also know that the sisters didn't know about the cleaners, but they did know about Tempest, and if they were desperate enough, they would be willing to make a deal with Tempest in order to fix the exposure and Piper's death. They would be vulnerable because of their desperation, but also their perceived position of being the ones in control, when they were actually reacting exactly the way The Source predicted they would. All The Source would have to do was make the deal before the cleaners got involved. Remember, this all happened in very quick succession, and we know from the dragon episode that the cleaners don't step in straight away. When Phoebe makes the deal, she says it's on the condition that her sisters get a warning before Shax attacks, and the source agrees. But even this was part of his plan. It explains why Shax led them into the street in the first place, why there was a crazed "fan" who attacked Piper, and why Pru felt that chill at the beginning of the episode. The end of the episode plays out almost exactly the same way as the start, with the only difference being Phoebe isn't there. And those few precious moments made a huge difference, as evidenced by Leo's reaction at the beginning of the episode.
Love your theory! It would definitely explain a lot about the Source and how much he actually did know the Charmed Ones! Especially how he manipulated Piper and knew just what buttons to push to try and trick her into giving up their powers in season 4! The only thing I can think of is why the Cleaners wouldn't have stepped in once they realized the exposure was beyond what the Charmed Ones could cover up, like they did with Wyatt. Once the dragon started appearing on TV and the news got involved so did they, so I don't know why they wouldn't have done the same in AHBL when the news crews were parked out on the lawn and Prue used telekinesis in front of everyone.. 🤔
Piper owning her own club made perfect sense from what I remember about the show. Piper managed the restaurant Quaker for years. Many of the stories involved how stressful it was for her because she ran that restaurant basically by herself and the owners/manager took advantage of her because she was so good at running everything even though she didn't have enough help from her bosses.
In regards to why they use the same actors for reincarnation - it's all money. Cheaper to use the actors you're already paying then hire guest stars. It's also the the same reason they use the same actors for "past/future ancestors" on some shows. And a further note on the episode in question, it seems like they just REALLY wanted to do a '20's themed episode, and didn't care what they needed to do make it make sense. They also did something similar in the sixth season when Paige is sent back to the '60's.
About the cleaners: They never established that in the show, but I always thought good and bad came together after All Hell breaks loose and made the cleaners, so that something like that would never happen again and magic would never be exposed again.
That would have been a cool explanation. The cleaners could have stated we were created after Hell breaks loose to ensure that something like this never happens again. I would have accepted that explanation but instead they left open and now we fans have to try and come up with something.
I agree with this. Especially with their past lifes and cleaners. What I would add to the list is: - how they completelly and suddenly changed their attitude towards Cole between s4 and s5, - secondary powers of Prue and Phoebe (Prue should get levitation and Phoebe astral projection), - how Phoebe was getting less and less visions each season, to the point where she had only 2/3 of them in s8, - why Phoebe and Paige were pushing Piper so much for Piper to give birth in the manor (Phoebe was born there and had to fight with her evil side all the time so why they wanted it for Piper's child), - how many rooms has the manor (at some points there is a lot of them, like in 20's, before Patty's death, in alternative timeline where Cole was killed and sometimes it sounds like they have only three of them - when they had to recreate the warderobe for Wyatt) - prophecy said that the Warren like will get more and more powerful until the 3 sisters will be born BUT there were 3 sisters before - their past lifes were cousins so their mothers were either 3 sisters (different lastnames suggest that they got them from their husbands) or 2 sisters and 1 brother (which contradicts with what grams said that only girls are born in this family
Omigosh, you make some amazing points!! I've been seriously considering making a follow-up video to this because I've heard some other stuff that doesn't really make sense either.. would you mind if I included some of your points and credited you in a future follow-up?
@@weirdlybeloved Of course that you can use this comment or any other comment written by me. :) I'm looking forward to see the second part. The older I get the more I see all those mistakes in the show.
I think their sudden attitude change toward Cole was due to the fact that Julian wanted to leave the show. So instead of just writing him out on a good note, they probably thought it would easier to have his character exit if he was "bad" again so the sisters could hate him. Therefore the viewer would hate him and his exit would be easier. But I would have rather them write him out on a good note so that later him and Phoebe could end up together instead of "Coop" last minute.
Don't forget how by Season 6, along with Phoebe's decreased premonitions, she got less ones that focused on innocents. In fact in Season 8 none of her premonitions have anything to do with the purpose intended, they all focus on her or her own desires specifically and she kept trying to force them! They became more like glorified magic 8 balls than an actual power.
@@Surgemaster2012 It really sucks how they handled premonition power because if controlled in the right way it's super powerful. It could be the most powerful power that Charmed ones ever had (I think that the only greater power on this show would be Billie's projection power). I mean from all primary powers which sisters had precognition IF controlled in the RIGHT way COULD be the most powerful one. Precognition is unstoppable when person knows how to use it as advantage. Like for example: - using it as form of sensing during fight so you can see/sense next moves of your opponent and react to them before he will make a move, - if you are hiding then you know when you will be attacked and you can prepare for that, when there is future attack on you or anyone, - no one can lie to you or hide anything from you (much of s3, s4, s6 and s8 could be avoided because of this), - she could see how to defeat each enemy so they would save a lot of time to find the solution. And those are only few examples, there will be many more applications. Phoebe NEVER used her power like that. She was barely even getting any visions. Demons surprised them MANY times which shouldn't happen. If used in the right way then none can surprise you and you can't be stopped. Also think about all possible advancemets of this power like: - astral projection (she did it in s5-s8) or even teleporting with a time travel - empathy, which can grow into two ways * into mind reading and this would grow into mind control * or simply into reflecting attacks (like she did in s6) and then to use memories is reverse to actually hurt or kill someone (like we saw in the future) That's why they got rid of Phoebe's powers when she finally learned how to control them. Writers weren't smart enough to know how to deal with them. It happens EVERY TIME with premonition power on all shows... It's basically a superhero - if there is a character with premonition power he will end up in 1 of 3 ways: - character is unable to control it (Pheobe for most of the show) - character is loosing his power (Phoebe in season 6) - character dies It happends everywhere: Heroes, Agents of Shield, Arrowverse etc. The basic wiccan powers of the Three were synergic and worked well together, covering three strategic aspects of fight: knowledge (Phoebe), defence (Piper) and attack (Prue). But Premonition is a difficult power to deal with when writing a story arc, especially for one of the main characters so they it always has to come with limitations not to spoil the whole story (not able to control it, loosing power, dying, visions are not clear etc.) When the format of the show was “demon of the day”, basically Phoebe tracked the innocent and found out the plot of the demon that was soon to be vaquished. But when the show started covering long narrative arcs, Phoebe’s power became a nuisance to writers: this is the reason why she never truly gained full control over it and lost it in season 6. Don’t you find very strange that a seer like Phoebe couldn’t see that Cole was Belthazor in s3, that he's the Source in s4, find out that Gideon was the main antagonist in s6, that Chris was Piper's son in s6 or that Billie and Christie are the ultimate evil in s8 despite having both power of visions and later empathy? Because it would have ruined the narrative arc! Also, it always annoyed me that got levitation and Prue astral projection when it didn't make any sense. It should be the opposite. Prue should get levitation/flying because telekinesis allows her to move objects in psychical space so that would allow her to move herself also in psychical way. Which she did a few times in s3 anyway. And if Phoebe during visions can transform her mind in different places that scream astral projection! So many years and this series still gives me fury. xD
I feel like the Leo reincarnation thing was just because they didn't want to pay to hire another actor to play P. Baxters love interest. They were like "Meh whatever you're already on the payroll 🤷♀️."
Sadly, they could have cleaned up the Cleaners issue in that episode where the charmed ones went on trial to save Daryl, by saying they were created because of the situation in All Hell Breaks Loose. Instead they doubled down on it by saying they were watching the charmed ones since they first became witches!!! 🤦♀🤦♂🤦 What were they doing back then? Getting a lap dance in the demonic bar? They certainly weren't doing their job.
They only looked like the cousins because that's how the sisters recognized their souls. Leo mentions this in the episode. They recognize each other because of that. So, the cousins DON'T actually look like the sisters, but the sisters see them as each other because that's how they know who's the past life of who. Also, astral projection isn't exclusive to Prue. In Magic School, everyone learns to astral project. So, conceivably, once Prue figured out how to Astral Project, she could've taught Leo but they could've also just learned at Magic School. This one is squint worthy, lol.
I did mention the "recognized their souls" thing in the video, so obviously I know that Leo mentions that in the episode. And I would agree on the astral projection thing, except for the fact that Phoebe explicitly states they learned it from Prue via Leo, so they didn't "just learn it at magic school." Which I also mentioned in the video.
I always believed that prue left with death willingly since she would have remembered what happened once time reset once she had left her body I think she would have rather died then allowing each sister to die. She had already been warned by death that her name kept appearing on his list.
Point #2 The Cleaners- You are very right! the cleaners would have been helpful as a way to repair the death of Prue Halliwell, however what just came to mind for me was that maybe (like a video game) as you progress newer and stronger vilians and good beings are introduced. So maybe the cleaners were hidden from the sisters on purpose until they reached the power level they did and then the cleaners were able to be revealed to them because it would be to easy at the very beginning (when their powers are still developing in season 3 to be like, okay! here is a magical fix that can wipe away any problems you create or encounter.) Hence there would be no lesson learned by the Charmed Ones in season 4 when they meet Paige and so Piper and Phoebe would not have growth as characters. Point #6- Prue's Astral projection, so here is my take on it, I don't think they used astral projection by having to learn from Prue specifically, I think it would be more of a "power transfer", this was shown in earlier seasons also that the sisters powers were often transferred to both mortals and magical demons through the hands. So bare with me, what if Prue's powers were still "alive" through the book of shadows (meaning they were attached to the book and could be accessed through the book itself only.) The remaining sisters could "tap" into Prue's powers, as if borrowing them or experiencing them for a short time (like a demo version) but Prue's powers could not be used by any other sister permanently like you said. So it's like getting a taste of a sisters powers. The Charmed Ones did this many times, from innocent witches to be, or innocents in general. Whitelighters etc. There are moments that Phoebe could channel powers of innocents through her premonitions even. But she didn't own their power just had a "taste of it."
Prue would have been a better fit for being the club owner. Phoebe was portrayed as irresponsible and reckless so something like owning a business wouldn't have made since for her character. Also her going back to college to get her degree was crucial to her working at the newspaper and her future empath powers
But Prue was established as a museum/auction house artifact expert, so I think running a club definitely was definitely more Phoebe's speed than hers, you know?
Absolutely! It was funny watching the Elders panic once the sisters (namely Piper) started to figure out that the Elders needed them WAY more than they needed the Elders. Even they started to realize just how useless they were.
About the whitelighter-ese, in season 5 when Leo goes up to the elders, you hear white lighters clacking in the background. It’s never plot essential again, but it is referenced. What never made sense to me was when Cole joined the Avatars and changed the timeline, why didn’t Paige have her white lighter powers? It was well established that she could always orb, and can orb when stripped of her witchy powers
Because she didn't exist in that timeline. She was dead and so were her whitelighter abilities. Forming the Power of Three again reignited her powers ie witch powers and whilighter powers.
I agree. The whole reason the sisters had their powers reinstated when they came together by the book was because grams had died, and her spell binding their powers died with her. Their powers were bound because of their mom making the deal with the demon when she was pregnant with Phoebe. Paige never had her powers bound, so she should have had her powers all along, even if she didn’t know it. They repeatedly say powers are attached to emotions. So during her teenage years, Paige definitely should’ve had some sort of incident with her powers.
@@Randomnamerandomnumber oh my gosh ofcourse. Unless telekinesis was only given to her by the Elders because of Prue's death. Maybe she just never had active witch powers as a teenager so if Piper had died instead, Paige's active powers would have been freezing time. Is that a possible explanation? It's interesting thinking about it now actually that while every witch's powers advanced, it was only Paige who never had a witch power advancement. It was always a whitelighter power advancement. Hmmm maybe Paige isn't the strongest Charmed One after all then. She only has more powers because of her whitelighter side not her witch side.
@@TCt83067695 It seems to me that the writers gave her all the tools to be the most powerful witch (a true replacement for Pru), but then someone decided she wasn't allowed to surpass Piper and Phoebe, and so they didn't make it a priority to grow her powers.
@@Randomnamerandomnumber This is such a great point! Paige absolutely should have had her powers growing up! Would you mind if I mention it in a future video? I'd be happy to credit you!
I agree with you about the Cleaners' role in the series. It does seem rather puzzling that they remained conspicuously absent during the exposure of magic in season 3. It would have been gratifying if the writers had offered an explanation for this omission in the later seasons when Wyatt created a dragon that exposed magic. For instance, Piper could have confronted them, questioning why they refrained from intervening when threats like Shax emerged if it was their job to clean up magic. Such a dialogue could have shed light on the Cleaners' perspective and motivations. A simple answer could have been "We have access to time and we knew time would be reset and on top of that Prue was destined to die so we couldn't interfere" A simple explanation like that would have made sense so I agree with you.
Clyde's door wasn't meant to help them change the past. Leo tells Paige it's just supposed to help her see events from a better POV. So no, his door is not a plothole, thankfully 😃
Very true! Honestly using Clyde's door as an example was a terrible choice on my part, and I'm working on a follow up video where I use much better ones!
FR... my jaw dropped at some of those prices! Even the ones that were on clearance were like $300-$400, and I just couldn't wrap my head around it at all!! 😵
There are a lot of jobs that would allow you to be your own boss, though.. there are even some that involve food, such as a catering business. I just don't think a club was very "Piper" you know?
Oh man, it's been a while since I thought about charmed. Here's my take on the cleaners: The elders often do things (like sending Leo to turn the pages of the book of shadows to the time spell to stop witch trials i think) without giving much explanation but knowing it will help somehow and change some outcome. So my head cannon is that somehow the elders knew it was Prue's time or something. So they purposefully held the cleaners back knowing that the exposure situation would be resolved and what needed to happen would. I think Prue is doing some kind of work in the afterlife.
Could be the P. Bowen died 3/63 not Penelope Halliwell would make it make sense. Phoebe's power advancement never explained, lightening from her hands zapping Cal Green to death in 2008. "What did I do, Leo. Premonition him to death!?" Witch Stock (woodstock) shows Jack Halliwell's death was not in '64 but the summer of love '69. holes everywhere! When you dont consistantly use the same writers from episode to episode.
When it concerns the cleaners get involved in any moment except when it interferes with Destiny. Remember that when Prue died, Paige was called. Paige’s Destiny, as a charmed one was called at that moment. If the cleaners would’ve erased what had happened or had gotten involved in that moment, then it is not certain that Paige’s Destiny would’ve started after that or even potentially been fulfilled at all.
I'm just not sure if it was ever established in the show that the Cleaners can't interfere with Destiny? The Cleaners are supposed to clean up magical exposure, full stop, so if they existed during AHBL then I wish the show would have at least addressed why they couldn't get involved back then.
That does make sense but also when you think about the show and the magical community, they also had a white lighter. White lighters are attached to the elders, and we know from season five episode where the elder (Remus) was about to pass down his powers to the teenager, he told Leo that he could see the future and gave him insight on the future of his child, or Wyatt .If Elders could see the future, then they could have warned Leo to warn the sisters about the exposure incident potentially coming through. Also, if this incident in all hell breaks loose didn’t trigger Phoebe to have a premonition about this as well, that a perhaps could have been Destiny involved. We know that the elders do not get involved in Destiny as it pertains to free will.
Whitelighters orb, heal and guide, not sure of any other powers they have, they're just a council. They are also passive and may not be able to fight. When I first saw the three astral project, I did think it was off as it was a unique power to Prue's ability.
Yeah, they don't like to fight and prefer to avoid it if then can, but will if they have to. A couple times I can think of are in Murphy's Luck or A Knight to Remember. Whitelighters (or rather, Leo) have also been known to use telekinesis and levitation, and I really wonder where those powers came from lol.
The reason he keeps coming back to San Fransico is precisely reason you mentioned and that is because he got his ass kicked. Imagine if you possessed god-like powers and were banished from a particular place after being defeated, the desire for revenge would likely be a strong motivator for returning to that location. The humiliation of being bested by mortals and the unfulfilled need to settle the score could drive someone to keep coming back, even if it meant facing the same adversaries repeatedly. The emotional and psychological impact of such a defeat could be long-lasting and provide a powerful incentive for seeking retribution in the same place, as moving on to another city might not offer the same opportunity for vengeance. In Barbas' case, his determination to overcome the witches of San Francisco is a testament to the enduring nature of his grudge and the pursuit of his ultimate goal. If he moves to another city and witches die of old age he would have to spend eternity knowing that three mortal witches bested him and no matter how many witches he kills it would never be enough.
Yeah the Elders were the most useless characters on the show and their "power" seemed more like it was a title than actual power. They never cared for being a force of good they just wanted power and control themselves. Alongside you mentioning how they never helped the girls its even worse with Leo. Where he is the whitelighter to the most powerful witches ever, yet every time he is shot or almost dies they don't send another whitelighter for backup. It almost felt as if Leo was the most disposable to them despite his role in guiding the sisters. I would also point to make instances of personal gain, particularly in Season 4. Like in Charmed and Dangerous, Paige used a spell to help a woman who was domestically assaulted so she would be in a better position to fight for custody of her child, yet in the next episode this is personal gain because it changed the outcome of somebody else? Even though Paige had no intent of using it for any beneficial gain, her getting that promotion was mere conisedence. There was also the existence of Simon in Season 8 where he has the same power as Paige, even though the main reason for Paige being put in secrecy was because Witch-Whitelighters were forbidden.
I got the sense that Paige was mostly concerned about the promotion as retroactive personal gain for the sake of her own conscience and less about fear of some sort of supernatural retribution. Although she was still really new to witchcraft at the time, so it's possible she was just being overly cautious.
Oh for sure, and the Elders were major hypocrites, too. Like how Whitelighter/Witch relationships and children were forbidden until they realized it could work in their favor, then they decided to look the other way.. and all that stuff with Gideon.. haha, I'm starting to realize just how much the Elders bug me lol..
Another thing comes to mind - in season 1 love hurts when Leo is shot by the dark lighter - Phoebe says didn’t he have the ability to heal and Leo replied that his power is for others and doesn’t work on himself - in season 4 when he those 2 ghosts are after him from his war days he gets stabbed with a knife the ghost throws and he pulls it out and he automatically heals - no hands, his wound just heals and that’s how the ghosts know it’s Leo and not his grandson. That’s a plot hole right? Or continuity error
I think whitelighter's wounds heal if they're caused by anything other than a darklighter, but the show is definitely very inconsistent with the healing rules!
In Season 5, when Barbas stole Cole's powers, he managed to manipulate the rules due to his newfound abilities, acquired by learning from another demon how to project his astral form onto the mortal plane. His recurring appearances were often facilitated by higher demons, even Gideon sought his aid to eliminate Wyatt. This pattern illustrates that Barbas is typically called upon or summoned by higher powers when they require his services, enabling him to circumvent his 1300-year imprisonment. Furthermore, he possesses an uncanny resilience; while he can be killed, he invariably returns from purgatory. A notable example of this was when Cole eliminated him after reclaiming his powers, only for Gideon to summon Barbas once again to assist in Wyatt's demise.
Number 4 is a bit different. I think that they relive the experience of the past without actually changing it. That’s what I always thought. It was different than a time ripple like Piper took to make sure Pheobe’s bf died.
Well the Phoebe soul could have been reborn a very short time after her death then reborn again as a charmed one while the sister who died almost before her counterpart was reborn as Piper. Then the Prue soul could have had a tragic short life before being reborn as prue. And Leo could have been killed by Anton before taking his appearance to avoid him walking into the room and spoiling the plan thus having Leo be immediately reborn as Leo Wyatt.
A Paige from the Past, the door wasn’t used to alter the past it was to learn from it. You can’t really say that they should have used it to retcon Prue’s death because they would have gone back to experience her death all over again with no real outcome other than them having to go through the same events for a second time. The cleaners, I can understand. But I’m charmed lore. It was Paige’s destiny to become a charmed one. Undo that and Paige wouldn’t be a witch or a sister. There’s an Astral Projection spell used in Season 5, Sympathy for the demon. Pardon My Past, Leo addresses why they look familiar to Phoebe.
A Paige from the Past ~ using Clyde's door was a flimsy example on my part; I was trying to illustrate the point that Charmed was so explicit in AHBL on how only Tempest can manipulate time, but there are plenty of examples of how that is contradicted in the show. Heck, the episode I just covered in my newest video (All Halliwell's Eve) showed the Elders themselves having the power to send the girls back in time! It's like, if they can send them back hundreds of years, then they definitely could send them back one day. The Cleaners - that's the thing, though, they only created the character of Paige to fill the hole in the trio after Shannen left, so Paige's backstory was hastily thrown together after season three and the whole AHBL plot already happened, so it's hard to see it as her "destiny" when it was just something the writers made up after three seasons worth of building lore. And even so, they really should have explained in the show why the cleaners they invented for this episode didn't help when magic was exposed in season three. Astral projection - I know, but as I said in the video, Phoebe explicitly states that they learned it from Prue via Leo, so it really doesn't make sense as that's an extension of Prue's Charmed power and something they can't just replicate it on their own. Pardon My Past - again, I know. I addressed Leo's explanation in the video, too. 😕
True, but the fact that they introduced something like this, especially just 10 episodes after AHBL, is reeeally stepping on the toes of their own lore imho.
Point #9- The Elders, so yes frustrating as it is, the Elders do nothing to help the sisters, or Leo, or themselves throughout the episodes, yet I feel that they do echo an important point... Even in the government or politics the same is shown, people may have great amounts of power yet don't know how to handle that power and are not informed of the REAL issues that the people below deal with, and remember the Charmed Ones were first sisters and human beings before witches so other than knowing a great power was coming, or being born into creation I don't see them caring or following up on events, sadly.
@@weirdlybeloved fr TOT and the fact hes most likely been with almost everyone from every charmed line is disgusting HES BEEN WATCHING PIPER SINCE SHE WAS LIKE 3 HES A FREAK
@@SharkzGirl I'm definitely going to at some point! Probably once the Grams and Chris videos are done Leo will be the next character I focus on, because it's like.. 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
If you think about it the episodes were he tricks Leo and Piper are similar to how cole reached out to Phoebe from the demonic wasteland maybe barbas is there too
5:30 it’s like this even in real life. The charmed ones are a powerful force for good so they attract evil. They’re like flames and demons like barbas are moths 💕 Loving your segment btw! Just wanted to chime in and discuss with ya hopes that’s okay!
Thank you so much! And of course, I love hearing feedback on the videos! I don't really know anyone besides my mom and sister irl that watches Charmed, so it's wonderful that I've found a way to connect with other fans to talk about the show we love! 🥰
It always seemed like being a white lighter was a better deal than an elder. White lighters only have a single weakness, while elders are relatively easy to kill. Also, another problem with power scaling i have is the source. It's stated he is the most powerful force of evil, and yet there are several demons stated to be so strong that even he feared them. So like why weren't any of them made the source? It's always written as he "sealed" them away, i find that rather lazy writing
For real! Even COLE almost killed the Source with a massive energy ball! He wasn't even in his demonic form, either! I know the Source was distracted and vulnerable, but still! Energy balls shouldn't have even stood a chance against someone who is supposed to be THAT powerful! And imo, the Source was also really boring, too. Like, when you see him in the season three finale, he looks so cool and foreboding with his red cloak and his sword.. definitely someone to be wary of Then they changed him in season 4 and he pretty much becomes about as powerful as your average demon, who spends most of his time running around complaining about the Charmed Ones. They made the evil leader act like a whiny kid lol.. tbh, I think Zankou made a much more interesting threat, and I think it would have been cool if he'd stuck around longer and/or become the Source.
@weirdlybeloved OMG, I totally agree with you. Zankou also made things personal when he killed Kyra, a fan favorite. The charmed ones barely survived their battle with him. About the energy ball scene, i always felt that scene was weird. The whole point of the charmed ones stated by the angel of destiny was to kill the source. So, like, if Cole could have killed him....then like why were the charmed ones made??
The Barbas issue was explained in the show.... he learned how to project from purgatory meaning he no longer had to wait the required number of years.... Thats the same episode he was shown hanging from the ledge in purgatory
The only reason why Piper bought the club is in reality it was part of the Aaron's spelling formula started in the later seasons of 90210 when they would bring on musical acts. Would it make more sense to see musical acts in a restaurant? Or a night club??
Oh I know why the show chose to add a nightclub - I said in the video that they also probably saw how well it worked for Buffy - I just don't think it made sense for Piper to be the one who ran it.
Number 10; I can't think of anything other than the fact I agree with you. Why would they waste their time creating that language only to never use it again.
Right? I still don't think the language made sense, though it has been pointed out that it actually was used again when Leo went up to speak with the Elders in season 5! My bad! D:
Piper's power is molecular Immobilization, not temporal stasis. Also, Leo's age comes into question as well, because I did the math and according to that Leo supposedly died at the age of 18. I could always check again, but still.
They didn't come up with the molecular immobilization thing until season three to justify giving Piper such an OP power; before that it was simply the power to 'freeze time,' which has been passed down through their line.
@@weirdlybeloved The way it was shown, it wasn’t time magic. Mel from the reboot according to a few people was the true definition of a time witch until season 2. If Piper did have time magic then she would’ve gotten powers that were based around time. Also, nice video. And I can’t wait to see your video on The Warrens.
P. Russell was 29 at the curse. Phoebe was 24. Phoebe was wrong in saying they were the same age. Grams was born in 1937 and Patty was born in 1950 which is freaking weird. Who is Victor Jones? Jack Halliwell died in 1964, but Paige saw him in the 70s. The tree had all kinds of problems.
I said in the video that I know it was Anton posing as past Leo, but the fact that past Piper didn't show any alarm at "Leo's" presence suggested that, as far as past Piper was aware, past Leo was still alive.
@@weirdlybeloved I don’t believe that was Leo I believe there was another white lighter so something tells me that Leo shares the same memories With the past white lighter
Dates of the deaths - So I agree this is very bizarre. I did find that the dates in the book of shadows (from the show) were wrong. I would be more inclinde to believe that the sisters died all around 1920's, and then were reborn around the 60's-70's or 80's. So that would mean Prue born in 1924, then Piper 1927, etc.
Fear is always a part of human nature, and is timeless. So like fear, Barbas is always alive and well, but he is imprisoned in purgatory except for every 1300 years. I think in the beginning Barbas accepted these terms as part of the grand design, but after fighting The Charmed Ones he fought the terms and was always looking for a way out. Once he was officially vanquished in season 5, he was no longer just banished back to his cell, but legitimately vanquished. But since he is actually unvanquishable, this freed him from his 1300 year cycle.
I always thought that Anton killed former Leo and was masquerading as him. Further confirming when P Baxter says this isn't like you, it's not been him for a while. Anton strikes me as the demon that fits the quote, "Evil doesn't love. it's just sexual gratification." Why not go after both P Baxter and P Russell. But yes, he ends up with fixation on P Russell. It could be that the body of past Leo wasn't found till later on, and the death date was mistaken. Yes, the Elders could have made him a whitlighter right then and there, but we both know the elders are not the smartest. As well, what if P Bowen was Phoebe Bowen. Patti's Great aunt. Yes, we know Patti just says aunt in the quote. "I named you after my favorite aunt. There is room to say it was her great aunt as the oldest to die.
I see two reasons one owning a club means if you need to dash and have flexiblity you can as you hire staff and it can run itself sorta. Second working in hospitality you often end up doing all sorts of jobsmy former boss in a cocktial bar was a chef. So it oddly can fit
Thank you so much for the time and effort you put in the videos. Some plot holes is to be expected, especially when a show has so many seasons. As a fan of Charmed, the inconsistences and plot holes just shows that the writers was just lazy and also shows a lack of respect for the fans.
@@weirdlybeloved You can still love someone and still hate them at the same time and I think Phoebe probably didn't notice it or realize this in episode one of five until the end of that episode. It's called emotional ambivalence which allows love and hate to co-exist rather than one over shadowing another..
I have less problems with the reincarnation timelines. There’s people that believe that in order to reincarnate you have to, a) choose to do so, and b) be “ready” to do so. In essence, if you’ve been a good person and you died when it was your time, you’d be free to reincarnate instantly if you choose to do so. However, if you died a violent, unexpected death, you’d be stuck in limbo to figure things out. To come to terms with your life and your death. In that sense, it actually kind of makes sense that P. Russell would take longer than the other two to reincarnate, knowing her fate. As far as the timelines and family tree comes, Grams is probably the most flawed character, yes. I’ve never noticed her mistaken date of death, but have you noticed she supposedly was only fourteen when she had Patty? Two other things about Gram’s lore and family tree that infuriates me is that Grams says there’s no men born into the Warren line, yet, according to the family tree, she has a younger brother that was never mentioned in the show. Also, she always makes a pretty big deal about keeping their Halliwell name, and even in the podcast Drew Fuller asked Holly Marie Combs how their name went from Warren to Halliwell, and Holly answers “well it definitely wasn’t Grams who changed her last name”, when actually… she did. Not from Warren, of course, but from Johnson to Halliwell. Also, one thing I never understood was how P. Russell and P. Bowen did not have Warren powers. Was P. Baxter the only one that came from the Warren line and were the other cousins just witches as well, but from another dynasty? That was definitely not explained, and its weird that the sisters didn’t seem to question it. Also, and maybe this is nitpicky, but why did none of the direct ancestors that we’ve seen (Penny, Patty, P. Baxter) have premonition powers?
I completely agree!!! Can we talk about season 8 real quick (episode desperate housewitches) when the source came back. And Paige asked how did yall vanquish him before!! Excuse me lady you were there when yall vanquished him!!!😂😂😂
OMIGOSH, WHAT??? It's been so long since I watched season 8, I COMPLETELY forgot about that!! Would you mind if I mentioned that in a future video? I'd be happy to credit you!
That one makes me so mad every time. I feel like that line was originally written for Billie to say, since she spent a good deal of time at Magic School in that episode, but then there was probably an edit or rewrite that removed her from the scene so they gave the line to Paige instead... for some reason.
1. I buy the bar thing. Part of growing up is making compromises. Piper learned that her dream had to change form. I wanna make horror films but I only get funding for Dramas about the struggles of being black. I totally understand why Piper changed to a bar. 2. Barbas can only show up 1300 years by permission. The other times he comes back is through his influence from hell or through some deals. I think he represents the Charmed Ones biggest fear (fear itself) and they are partly responsible for manifesting him into reality. And sometimes he's not actually there but he's in some other dimension. 3. The Cleaners. Paige was part of the Charmed destiny so the Cleaners didn't need to intervene. Prue was always going to die. The Source set it up. When he tricks Phoebe he already knows Prue is gonna go. The lesson was "never make a deal with the devil". 4. Clyde can't just take people willy-nilly. It was for a specific purpose and I don't think it was material. I think it was more like another dimension. Like taking acid. Whereas Tempus and the Cleaners affect the real reality. There was also that episode where they relive the same day but the guy dies anyway no matter what they do. 5. The Nexus. 6. I'll give you that one.😂😂😂 7. Yeah he died in 1924. Consumption was big back then. 8. It's too confusing to use different actors. A lot of the stuff we the audience see in Charmed, the Charmed Ones don't see it. Notice when they do a spell and we see orbs and sparkles but the sisters go "did it work?". It's like when you do an affirmation you don't know if it worked or not but in the Astral realm there are orbs and sparkles. So because reincarnation is compounded and across space and time, it's possible. 9. The Elders are our Ancestors. They don't know everything. They're ascended humans. The way it was presented in Charmed is similar to how it's presented in our Zulu culture. 10. Well...
But for the bar I feel like she could have made a bar/restaurant at this way she gets to cook as well as control the menu and in the night it could be a club and no food it served after nine pm.
Regarding number eight I agree. In Season 8, after their encounter with Zankou, the sisters faked their own deaths and assumed the identities of other individuals. To achieve this, they employed various actors, which, I must admit, left me somewhat perplexed. It became necessary to closely follow the storyline to distinguish between the sisters and their new personas. However, as the narrative progressed, they devised a spell to enable them to perceive each other in their genuine forms. This spell was explained within the series that Wyatt was having a hard time recognizing the sisters.
I think the issue with Barbas was explained in the series... he learned how to Astral project from purgatory.. Therefore, he didn't need to wait the usual time. Also Abraxas didn't start from the back of the book, the episode shows him specifically scrolling through the book and reading what looks like spells that interest him. I think the biggest that didn't make sense was the "To Call Our Ancestors' spell... Why the hell didn't they use that spell more??? why in the final fight they didn't use this after its success with the source?? Also, the Hallow gives you so much power and strength, yet when the source placed it in the demon at the ancient burial ground, the sisters vanquished that demon with a daggar?????
Right?! If the Power of Three spell was pretty much a checkmate, then calling the power of their ENTIRE LINE should have just eradicated evil where it stood! Why they only used it twice (that I remember.. one on the original Source, and then again on Cole) I have no idea!
Re: 2 Barbas Awesome point. I know they could have EASILY wrote around it, because according to the calendar, once every 1300 years AND on a Friday the 13th (I don't think the concept of Friday the 13th existed then) happens way less often than the many times he appeared, but Barbas is awesome so that nullifies it. Also, shoutout to Patty for actually doing the research and calculations to figure when Barbas would return and writing that entry in the Book of Shadows.
Precisely! And Patty was the one who's idea it was to depower Nicholas' ring in That 70s Episode before they return to the present. Also, it was her idea to use unborn Phoebe's powers to boost the return spell (1st use of the power of 3 technically). And in the show's finale, Patty suggested to recreate the Power of 3 with 3 generations of Halliwells. Whoa damn. When did I become a Patty Halliwell fan?
“A paige from the past” remember they were there to only observe the past but they couldn’t change it. When Paige tried to they got into an accident before their ride for dinner. In that episode on the way home from school she asks that they skip going out for family dinner and stay home and the accident happened. She robbed herself of extra time with her parents actually when you think of it because she tried changing the past. Sorrryyy sorrry I’m a charmed fanaticcccc don’t mind meeee
True! Honestly using Clyde's door as an example of a time travel plot hole was a terrible example on my part ~ I'm working on a follow-up video where I use much better examples! 😊
About the Leo's past life thing-I always just assumed that after she left her ex she cut off all contact with him, so even if he'd died somehow (medical condition she didn't know about, died in world war I, car crash, death via bad batch of hootch, etc) she wouldn't know about it. It would fit with Anton and evil Phoebe's sense of humor of killing with a dead man's face. Just my assumption. Now, back to the video for me. (Loving the video by the way!)
I'm glad you liked the video! I did address the Anton thing more fully in a recent video - Charmed Theories Revisited - but I think that past Leo was probably still alive, since it fits with a lot of Charmed's uses of shapeshifting, and Anton also used the old lady's form to trick Leo, and he'd left her alive as well. They definitely could have been a lot clearer about that in the episode, though! 🤔
Here’s a decent video idea I think. 5 (or 10 if you are brave lol) Charmed One-Off Episodes that should have been Season Long Arcs. Number 1 with a Bullet for me is the Rowe Coven. The exact counter to the Charmed Ones on the side of Evil and you use it up in 1 episode? Wasted in my eyes
Ooh that's a great idea!! I can definitely think of a few episodes that fit that criteria! Which episode had the Rowe Coven though? 🤔 PS Idk if you meant to reference Fall Out Boy, but "number one with a bullet" is gonna have me singing Sugar, We're Going Down for the rest of the night haha 💕
@@weirdlybeloved the episode was When Bad Warlocks Go Good the 18th episode of the 1st Season. It was most well known for having Michael Weatherly Guest Star before he got really famous as Tony DiNozzo on NCIS…
@@mtverv Oh right!! It's been so long since I've seen that episode lol.. yeah, that really should have been explored more. Tbh, so should that chick that took Jackson Ward's soul in The Power of Two.. now SHE would have made an awesome villain!
Here's a few that don't make sense to me : - When we witness Leo's powers for the first time he has telekinisis, which is never shown again - Chris' actions + what he does to Leo (how ???) and killing and kissing a valkyrie (hello Bianca) + S6 future timeline + his fooling around with one of the blond demon sisters posing as Phoebe (ew) - How powerfull Wyatt is (compared to the supposed to be super powerful charmed ones) - Whether demons have feelings or not : Kyra the seer says they cannot feel (or something along those lines) but we've seen demons in "love" and stuff
for me in my head cannon, the reason the cleaners couldn't help in all hell brakes loose is that prue was destined to die the way she did and no one could mess with that kinda like how in doctor who the doctor cant go back in time and change fixed points. if Prue doesn't die the page doesn't get her powers and the greater power isn't stopped
I actually think about the pardon my past leo timeline every time i rewatch. I just assumed leo died on that exact date that past phoebe did, because in the episode you see the demon antoine shape shifted into him but i dont think we see “real leo” or whatever his name was again. The demon antoine prob killed past leo before shifting into him and hid his body. Ur right about the reincarnation thing, that is if there werent any more past lives in between the baxters and them being the halliwells which technically we dont know Also, leo said their souls recognize each other in pardon my past and thats why they look “the same” not sure why grams couldnt recognize her moms soul tho
Can anyone explain how is it possible that Grams was 25-30 years old (?) in 1967 (the episode Witchstock, where Paige goes to the past), and Prue is born three years later, in 1970?? I never got this part 😢
Right?! I even did a section on Witchstock in one of my "things that didn't make sense in Charmed" videos because there are so many plotholes in that episode it's unreal! There is just no way Patty should have been old enough to give birth to Prue in 1970 given the timeline that episode established. Especially when you combine it with the family tree from Pardon My Past!
Thx God someone sees this besides me! I remember googling this like 10 (maybe 15?..) years ago and finding zero comments on the subject! I almost began thinking I was seriously misunderstanding smth 😅 (love your videos actually ❤)
@@magdarever2967 It really is bizarre! I'd love to see an interview with the writers of Witchstock where someone asks them why they wrote in so many things that work against the established Charmed lore! Especially since it seems like a lot of the problems with the episode would have been fixed if they had just cast someone older as past Grams! 🤔 And thank you so much! ☺️ ❤️
Speaking of similarities, the girls' grandma has said that Paige is the spitting image of her own mother. In a different episode in the past when they met their granddad, Allen I think he was called, he has just returned from dropping Patty at his sister's and upon seeing Paige, he commented that she looks exactly like her (his sister)... I've always wondered why series just don't have someone keeping a file on the characters and just put in all such details that come up in the show...
another thing I was thinking about past Piper being Gram's mother is it was like the writers were setting Piper up to be a matriarch of the family, which at the end of the show she was.
I remember in the season finale the last charmed TV show she always wanted to open a restaurant because she adores cooking so it is crazy the same time that she open a bar called P three it’s just like they did not know how to tell what is her passion running a bar or open a restaurant Because in the season finale she said that she always wanted to open a restaurant that it was explained in the end of the season so it is messed up so that was a great remark nice point of view what you said about that Abou PiperPersonality and what is her talent And they also need a fan teaser about the episode in charmed pardon me for my past I’m not sure if you seen it but it seems like they are thinking about doing a prequel nothing is yet to have any plans but it’s called the warrens and you see them walking You see them walking to the Manor house so it’s crazy it seems real but nothing is confirmed it was a teaser trailer in Paramount plus before they were three sisters they were three cousins so that was the plot of fan teaser Could you do your review aboutThe fan teaser about the warrens
Great to know I'm not the only one sometimes confused by Charmed writers. Anyway, gonna miss Shannen. I'm glad I have the entire Charmed series on DVD. As for Braxas, I guess he was a gluten for pain.
I always hated that the cousins in the 1920ies had totally different powers (maybe except Piper’s past version who had a time manipulating ability). It was well established that Melinda Warren had three very specific abilities which she passed on without any changes.
Right?! I get trying to make flashback or time travel episodes more interesting, but completely ignoring the show's own lore is NOT the way to go! If the three cousins didn't have Melinda's powers, then it definitely should have at least been explained why!
True! It's just sad that she had to spend the majority of the show working jobs she didn't really love while everyone around her got to pursue their passions. 😢
@weirdlybeloved I looked at it like this. Piper might not have been confident enough to run a restaurant or simply wasn't sure. Her owning a club was like a test run for her, and she did say she was tired of working for other people's helping them get richer. This stems from that interview with that lady...her old high school classmate Joanne who helped her go for her dreams.
@@weirdlybeloved Actually, it's not a bad example. In season 7 (maybe 6, I always forget if the Avatars are in season 6 or 7, lol), Paige takes Brody through that door back to his childhood. He then, before coming back, steals the Avatar potion that he was supposed to have found when he was a child, thus changing his own past. And on "All Halliwell's Eve", had the Elders not forcibly sent the sisters back, Cole would have successfully altered the past. Though that bit brings up its own plot holes with figuring out how time travel, which ignores the flow of time, can only supposedly be done on certain days yet they time traveled on other days many times throughout the series.
Hope I can make some sense of things for you... 1. Cooking takes a lot of time. It was a dream that she had abandoned for the greater good. As for the career options you provided, the first two would still be cooking and the third isn't something I can see Piper sitting down and doing until after the epilogue. 2. The Book of Shadows is not always 100% reliable. Information can be a lie, or simply from someone misinformed. I would imagine he gets benefits from the Source seeing as he has come the closest (other than Shax) to kill a Charmed One. 3. The Cleaners only interfere when things cannot resolve themselves. Time was reset as they knew it would be and none of it mattered. The Cleaners came for Wyatt because no one was there to reset time again for them. That's probably what they gave them extra time for. Not to defeat the dragon, but to find a way to entirely reverse the events. The Elders are a watchtower for Good, not an almighty force and have more limited power than we're led to believe, as shown throughout the series. 4. The door loops time rather than causes a reset point. Nothing can be altered, hence why her parents died anyway. It's also possible that the door doesn't time travel at all and simply creates illusions based on memories. Just because something is said, doesn't mean it's true. A reset point would mean it had never happened at all and anything from that point forward is fair game. Other methods of time travel in the show add a bonus of amnesia to those who came into contact with the travelers. 5. Abraxas could have had some level of Clairvoyance and cherry-picked pages based on the Charmed Ones' past. Also possible that his power of resurrection is separate from reading backwards to erase the book. Mixed with the Clairvoyance theory, he'd know who to bring back. Or maybe touching the page is enough. 6. It could be a latent ability all Witches have like how all Demons have Energyballs, all Whitelighters have Healing, etc. 7. Past lives can live concurrently with current lives. Who's to say a spirit is constrained by time? 8. I like to think Grams faked her death and had someone write the death-date in front of a man she was leaving to convince him it was true. Shedding a few tears, of course. P. Bowen doesn't have a death-date because she's either still alive (7*) or the trio had no way of knowing she died to update the document. 9. I'm sure if Piper was truly needed, the Elders would have had her sent back sooner. We don't know what happened up there, but it's likely that she was able to do something to convince the Elders to allow her and Leo's relationship further down the line. The Elders may essentially be a watchtower, but no one said they were a good one. Plus it seems debates and voting took precedence over immediate action when it came to anything but themselves and their own safety. Possible the Titans masked their energy in some way. They were such a threat in the past for a reason. 10. Whitelighter Clicking was definitely useless. I have the head-canon that any talks between only Whitelighters are really them clicking translated to the audience for convenience.
I think you make some fair points - like about Piper's career options - but I'll agree to disagree on some of the others. Thank you for sharing though!
@@daveinhell7476 I agree with what you said in 1, 4, and 9, but not so much the others. I'm on my phone though, so it would be a bit too much to try and text out why, haha.
@@weirdlybeloved Why do you disagree with past lives living concurrently with present lives in the show? Paige's past life likely would have been immortal had they not defeated her, which would make her existence a paradox. If her past life could discover and freely use time travel to recover her stolen prince in such an incredibly short period of time, then I'm sure never aging was on her agenda. A past life being involved in a paradox / loop of sorts with their present life would have to lean more towards reincarnation not being bound by time but by destiny, which fits perfectly with the theme of the show. I also wanna hear your thoughts on the others, ofc.
I would also add to no. 4 that it may not have been easy to simply go back in time and change whatever event you want to change. As is established a lot of times during the show. Demons like Tempus sort of being an exception to this rule, as are the Cleaners. First, it might take a lot of power to do so - which explains why Tempus basically died after resetting time in the season 3 finale, as can also be seen by the Cleaners who are waaay more powerful than the Charmed Ones. Second it is also stated a few times that beside there is free will of some sort, nonetheless a "higher power" seems to make the overall choices aka decides what the ultimate outcome will be. This "Greater Good" thingy is what the Angels of Destiny are watching over after all. Though it might seem like a cheap explanation, probably the greater good or destiny or whatever never meant for Prue to survive, or for Paiges parents to get out of that car unharmed. And because the Elders are also advocates of the Greater Good, they may have known a couple of times that interfering every now and then would have had major consequences. They even refused to give Piper an answer about Leo's fate, as did the Avatar she summoned at first. Though many magical creatures of the Charmedverse were never explored to the fullest, I could imagine that the Angels of Destiny are not fun to deal with should anyone act against their order aka that which they call the Greater Good.
Riiiiight?! You just wanna say "Barbas, go literally ANYWHERE else!! San Francisco is clearly not your friend! You're getting Charmed all over the place!" 😂😂😂
Pertaining to the Cleaners and the Door in connection with "All Hell Breaks Loose", they were trying to write Prue out of the show. It's not going to make sense lore wise as it caused by behind the scenes drama.
@@weirdlybeloved I won't sent that, but with all the behind the scenes drama and the entirety of season 6, the cleaners and the door make perfect Sense. Lol
@@joshuapierce3085 The door maybe, but the cleaners really don't, since it's established in the episode Crimes and Witch Demeanors that they've been watching over the Charmed Ones since they first became witches, so that means they would have existed during AHBL and should have intervened, since that's literally the point of their existence. Even if they did want to write Shannen out, it still doesn't make sense why the writers would retroactively retcon the show three years after the fact.
@@weirdlybeloved well, like I stated, season 6 in it's entirety is a massive retconning mess. Due to the limited content that the cleaners actually cover in the series, they aren't that bad. Still a retcon mess, but not nearly as bad as the entire season 6. Lol
Hi! I'm working on another installment of this series, and I was wondering if you would mind if I mentioned this in the video? I'm happy to credit you!
Great video! There are a lot of things in charmed that don't make sense because the writers drop it when it's no longer interesting. I hate when that happens because those things could've been interesting, if they gave it a bit more focus. I loved the show, especially in the Doherty seasons, but I would've rather known more about some of the family's history and other details, rather than who Phoebe was going out with. I lost count of the amount of casual dates and boyfriends she's had at around season seven. I was wondering if you would be interested in doing a video, tackling the issues with Leo's character? I've heard it discussed before, that the problematic plot-holes and throw-in facts have framed Leo as a creepy stalker who watched Piper since she was a baby, then still thought it would be okay to date her. Would love to know your take on it.
Thank you! And right?! Omg, I got so sick of Phoebe's never-ending parade of boyfriends. It was just way too much, especially in season 3 when they were affected with sin and she tried to sleep with her sister's HUSBAND just to get some action. You start to wonder if Phoebe cares about anything BUT boys.. 🙄 And I could definitely do a video on Leo! Tbh I liked him in season 1, but never really did afterwards.. I felt like he let his personal wants get in the way of being a good guardian to the sisters a lot. And yeah, I really don't know why the writers thought it would be a good idea to establish Leo as having watched them, particularly Piper, since they were children. That's just.. SUPER alarming,v and I really wish they'd said it was the Elders who'd been watching, because that would make way more sense and be way less creepy. 🧐
@@weirdlybeloved I think that might've been the best solution there. Leo said in season one that he was assigned to watch over them when they first came into their powers: you'd think that would be at the beginning of the show in 1998. But then that flashback episode said he was watching Piper about a year before that (running into her in the street). Okay, that's a little odd but she's still an adult. Then that disturbing cannon that he's been watching her since she was a baby, and even before that if that Witchstock episode is to be believed. You'd think after season five, they'd retract on that baby-watching thing and say it was the elders, but that Witchstock episode doubled down on it by having him do the hippy stuff with grams. For one of the things they did insist of having kept in the show, I really wish Leo's baby-watching over his own wife wasn't was of them 🤢
Point 1. The club - I am someone who also loves and has passion for cooking, but like Piper said sometimes cooking doesn't pay the bills, so as an adult move it shows responsibility when Piper takes a job outside her field. I'm a new fan and really enjoy watching these videos.
True! Honestly, Piper kind of got the short end of the stick throughout the entire show. I mean.. she worked at a bank job she didn't like, then was forced into a manager position at Quake, then opened a club to try and pay the bills.. Meanwhile Prue got to pursue her dream of being a photographer in season 2, and Phoebe didn't get a job (at least a steady one) until halfway through season 4, where she went on to be a local celebrity.. but Piper had to wait until the series ended to chase her own dreams. It's sad that she had to wait so long.. 😢 And thank you so much! 😊
I know this is a weak point but in the "season nine" comic the charmed ones were in the after life where the souls like their mom and grams take residents. When the problem at hand was dealt with the girls say they wanted to see/meet Prue before leaving and either Grams or Patty says that Prue decided to be reincarnated ( as in it the spirit that decides when they're reborn) granted that was a miss direct but what if it's half lie half truth. (Prue wanted to help her sister with this evil that's trying to take them out and possess a witch's body who soul was forced into hell.) What if the soul does get the choice on when to be reborn and the Elders probably took evilpast Pheobe and forced her into be reborn. Weakly explaining the different games in time
Thank you for letting me know! I don't really follow comic continuations, but it would be really interesting if the Elders actually forced a (formerly) evil spirit to be reborn! Makes you wonder whose side they're really on, though.. 🤔
Honestly I only liked the blonde female Elder she was the only one who took the Charmed one success into account and tried to be kind about situation that was out of her hands. But the other Elders seemed salty ever since Leo and Piper got married (in my opinion) yea they always gave them a hard time but seemed more stubborn after the fact. Like when Leo was gonna be judged for killing that one Elder on the bridge by wiping his memory and the grumpy elder kept trying to get Leo to choose the whiteligher life with the memory of Piper even tho his heart was pulling him to his wife and son. Even pressured Leo to choose when Paige and Phoebe was on their heel. Since we know the Elders are just souls of people on Earth who cycle out over time I believe the Elders are just flawed people who pouts every time they get proven wrong and all but one keeps digging their heels into the ground
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Fun fact: The "P" in P. Russel stands for Pearl, as in "YOU KILLED AUNT PEARL'S COUCH!" from sense and sense ability
Really?! I didn't know that! That's so cool! 😯
The two things for me in Charmed that didn't make sense:
1. In the episode "Witchstock", the sisters travelled back in time to 1968 and met a younger Grams, who was married to Alan, a mortal guy. At one point they mentioned Patty being babysat. Huh? Prue was born two years later. Did Patty give birth at the age of six?
2. There was no reason given *in-universe* as to why no pictures of Prue remained after her death. They loved their sister and if anything, would treasure the pictures they did have of her all the more. So there should have been something that happened to erase them all. They could have had her erased from time completely, with only their own memories to confirm that she really had existed, but they didn't do that.
Yes! The season 6 episode where they go back in time to see Grams in 1968 makes no sense with the timeline.
That should have been ~1948-50ish if Patty was a toddler/young child as Prue was born in 1970.
The show clearly didn't work out the family tree and everyone's birth dates and have all the writers learn it.
This is lazy in my opinion.
@@xwinwinwinx As it's a show about magic, they could have invented an explanation, no matter how strange. For instance, suppose there had been a literal witch-hunt shortly after the events of the episode, which threatened the lives of Grams, Patty and by extension the as-yet-unborn Charmed Ones. Grams could have taken Patty back in time 20 years and altered all the family tree documents, so that by the time of the witch-hunt, Patty was a 24-year-old woman in control of her powers instead of a vulnerable 4-year-old. That meant that the Charmed Ones were born 20 years earlier than they were originally supposed to have been. In the original, lost reality, they would have been born in the 1990s and had their adventures in the 2010s. That would then relate to the rebooted series, as that featured a set of Charmed Ones born in the 1990s and having their adventures in the 2010s, but as different people with different parents, but this would have been an alternative reality asserting at least part of what should have been.
OMG.. I never noticed that in Witchstock!!! Wtf?! That's even worse than the Leo thing! How did they keep writing stuff like this without at least checking a timeline of their own show?! Ugh.. that is ridiculous!
And right?! The showrunners really fumbled the ball there too, because to just completely erase Prue's presence was not only a slap in the face to their sisterhood, but the audience as well.
They could have at least kept little nods to her in the show - like on the anniversary of Prue's death they could have worn an outfit of hers or something, or had her cameras on display somewhere. But nope.. the way they chose to handle that whole thing was really tacky imo. 😔
The actress who played patty was originally gonna be the one the girls went to visit but she was still filming for another movie after the script was wrote so they just brought in grams.
Did I miss the part where it says Patty's an little kid also in the episode where they went back to the 70s prue was 5 Piper was 3 and Phoebe on the way in 1975 if Patty was 25 that means she had prue at 20 but 2 years ago she was a little kid?? She should have been at 18 unless she was a wild child and had to be watched like Phoebe in her reunion episode well that does explain where she got it from
This show was fun, but never made sense. They wrote plot lines and lore from episode to episode, and changed things to fit whatever episode they were in.
This!!! 💯
@@weirdlybeloved I have a theory about Patty The charmed one’s mother she was a wild teenager so could she be lying about Phoebe‘s father for example her father must be Nicolas so she was kind of wild in the past in her in her 18 years and in her adult years just like Phoebe when she was a teenager just like Phoebe she was also a wild child Phoebe and she was also trouble if Nicolas was Phoebe’s father Phoebe would’ve have daddy issues In my theory she had two children with Victor Prue & Piper At that time when she was pregnant with Phoebe in the past she already split up with Victor so they have broken up a long time ago so this means someone else had to be the father of a child so Nicolas was dating Patty
He wanted a future for her so there were some complications between them also this would I have broken Phoebe she wouldn’t have a lot of issues with her biological father if it was Nicolas but not Victor probably Victor He always treated Phoebe has his own daughter
@@weirdlybelovedis true that in this episode Phoebe she was a recorrer nation of her past life so she was getting these memories but it was not really her it was her great grandmother P Russell she was the one who did all the evil in the past life Sophie B has that pass while she nearly went in that path but she always believed doing something for the great of good
Do you ever see that happening have you seen the teaser the charm teaser about the Warrens because there is these rumors that's it could be possible that Charmed will get a prequel before there were three sisters they were free cousins have you seen this teaser everyone got excited and there was a Paramount logo Paramount +
@@user-pm2ol3bz1zI actually have seen The Warrens teaser trailer! There's been a lot of requests to do a video on it, so that video should be going up this Friday! :D
If she ran a catering business she would go out of business due to her bailing last minute to protect the innocent
But if she had a good team around her - like she did with P3 - I'm sure she could make it work.
For number 4. A Paige from the past. They couldn’t use the door 10 episodes previously. Because the door only allowed you to relive the past moment. Not interact with or change it
I know, I just think it's a really weird mechanic to introduce (especially so soon) after the season three finale.
Though they definitely could interact with it, like how Paige told her parents about how she'd change and that she loved them. It's like you could only change little things - they could have at least told Prue goodbye and that they loved her. 💔
@@weirdlybeloved I agree it would have been nice to see prue atleast once after her death.
But it was the producers who didn’t want her back at all, so they wouldn’t have to pay her. They ever removed all pictures of her from the set. So they wouldn’t have to pay her royalties for episodes, if her image was show.
@@weirdlybeloved if they could did that they could have just told Phoebe not to go down to the underworld or what about the season 8 finale where Piper went back it time to save Paige and Phoebe she could have brought prue back I mean yea she did that with coops ring but they met a coupet in season 2 if one coupet can do it why can't the one they met a season prior to prue's death do it too
@@user-fx9ho3cb4f Right? There's just so many examples of the how the girls went back in time on their own power that it makes the events of AHBL almost pointless.
For the cleaners I always head-canoned that they were created by both sides to avoid the mess with Prue. I don’t remember them saying when they were created one way or another so it’s semi plausible
I wish they would have done that! It would have made much more sense!
Here’s the thing tho, Since Prue died she was the sister of the charmed one’s with telekinesis, after Prue died then came Paige, Paige literally got prue’s telekinesis but in the form of orbs due to her white lighter side, and Paige was able to do the EXACT same things prue did when she had telekinesis but as orbs, so actually, I think the writers were on to something letting Paige also use astral projection in the season 7 finale, if prue and Paige have telekinesis, why can’t Paige astral project like Prue did in the form of orbs. It makes sense since they both have telekinesis but Paige has to call for it and it comes in orbs whole Prue only uses her mind and hands to move objects and deflect attacks. So really the writers should have explained how they were able to use astral projection but they should have also made Paige able to use astral project in the matter did orbs for a reason because she was the next telekinetic sister after Prue so both telekinetic’s and one was able to astral project and astral project is simply making 2 of yourself but your primary self is down, so Paige Really had the potential to use astral project but the writers kept throwing in random stuff so probably that got thrown out of the way to.
Accident error, prue didn’t do it in the form of orbs, what I meant to say was that paige could do it in the matter of orbs instead.
@@perfectlymiyuki7666 True, but I only showed Paige in the clip, all three sisters used astral projection ~
@@weirdlybeloved That’s true because phoebe and piper wouldn’t somehow get a way to use astral projection since it was apart of telekinesis because molecular manipulation doesn’t add up to astral projection only telekinesis does but since there was no spell, my theory was that phoebe had to somehow use a spell that could of allow her to channel past powers in order for her to channel and replicate astral projection from prue without a spell because they can’t travel back in time without a spell but the thing is that phoebe needs to be near the person and the power used on her to use it so I think that with my spell theory she could have used both empathic channeling and replication to not only channel the astral projection power but to also replicate it and somehow give a piece of it to both sisters. It would make sense to me considering that in an episode of season 4 or 5 I forgot that they summoned the witch doctor to expel the evil left over within the house should have been filled with good magic to considering how much they used in the past couple of times it would make sense for that theory to be somewhat true.
When Barbas was vanquished, he died and along with that his power and limitations. But the Source resurrected him because he was the closest to ever kill two charmed ones in one go (at the time and also was the first to do this), showing how powerful he was. After being resurrected, his limitations were basically null and void but the source gave him power. At that point, he became their nemesis and continued to tried to get his revenge for his own vanquish.
I don't remember the show saying anything about the Source playing any sort of role in what happened with Barbas.. do you remember which episode that was? 🤔
What IS cool that I never noticed is how long P. Russels soul took to be reincarnated (presumably bc she was corrupted)
My theory on the cleaners not being involved in AHBL is because of interference from the angels of destiny. I think Prue was destined to die to give the remaining Charmed Ones a better chance of defeating the Source, like when they tried to kill off Leo in season seven. I hate to say it, but Prue held her sisters back in a way that wouldn’t allow them to grow to their full potential. I also think she had more of a chance than Phoebe of actually going dark. We saw a little of it when Piper was shot and died but Prue was always the sister to use her active power the most for personal gain. At least in the earlier seasons. She even used it to punish mortals. She used it on Alice to get her out of the house. She used in on her dad in the third episode of season one. She used it on the man in the neighboring cell when she was jailed during the whole tiara/ murdering of Jaime incident. If she continued the way she was, I think it was a strong possibility that her reckless pride would have not only gotten herself killed but one or both of her sisters. Then where would the power of three be?
Some great points. In watching the series again with the family, I have noticed that more how Prue uses her powers all the time for just little things, including taking revenge on people all the time, starting with Rodger in the first two episodes. I think you can make an argument that AHBL is a tragedy showing Prue's fall into darkness. She used her power on innocents. Yeah, she had a good reason, but it still was the beginning of the end for her. She could never be a Charmed One again after that.
@lanaleshelton4788 @shawnn7502 Wow, your comments really make me see Prue in a whole new light! I never really thought about just how much Prue used her powers against other people just because she could!
And speaking of her reckless pride, when she was infected with the sin in Sin Francisco she actually DID end up putting her sisters at risk by jumping down the bottomless pit the guy opened up just for the sake of 'winning,' despite that meaning that her sisters would never see her again and be without the power of three! The only reason she was saved was because Leo orbed her out in time, and even then she was mad at them! It's like.. honestly, it was only a matter of time before her actions ended badly. 😢
Not to mention the whole cast feud.
@6:30 Here is my Theory. I'm pretty sure this was The Source's plan all along. He had tried to kill off the charmed ones and failed, and rewound time to try again, each time having learned something. The sisters didn't know time was being rewound and didn't remember anything. At the beginning of the episode, Pru says she feels a chill, and she calls out to Phoebe. Then Shax attacks, injuring the girls quite badly, but Phoebe is on her way downstairs and she calls for Leo. The look Leo gives after healing them indicates he knows how close to death they were, and how differently things could have turned out if Phoebe hadn't called when she did. So The Source would need to make sure Phoebe wasn't around to call Leo. He would also know that the sisters didn't know about the cleaners, but they did know about Tempest, and if they were desperate enough, they would be willing to make a deal with Tempest in order to fix the exposure and Piper's death. They would be vulnerable because of their desperation, but also their perceived position of being the ones in control, when they were actually reacting exactly the way The Source predicted they would. All The Source would have to do was make the deal before the cleaners got involved. Remember, this all happened in very quick succession, and we know from the dragon episode that the cleaners don't step in straight away. When Phoebe makes the deal, she says it's on the condition that her sisters get a warning before Shax attacks, and the source agrees. But even this was part of his plan. It explains why Shax led them into the street in the first place, why there was a crazed "fan" who attacked Piper, and why Pru felt that chill at the beginning of the episode. The end of the episode plays out almost exactly the same way as the start, with the only difference being Phoebe isn't there. And those few precious moments made a huge difference, as evidenced by Leo's reaction at the beginning of the episode.
Love your theory! It would definitely explain a lot about the Source and how much he actually did know the Charmed Ones! Especially how he manipulated Piper and knew just what buttons to push to try and trick her into giving up their powers in season 4!
The only thing I can think of is why the Cleaners wouldn't have stepped in once they realized the exposure was beyond what the Charmed Ones could cover up, like they did with Wyatt. Once the dragon started appearing on TV and the news got involved so did they, so I don't know why they wouldn't have done the same in AHBL when the news crews were parked out on the lawn and Prue used telekinesis in front of everyone.. 🤔
what doesn't make sense to me was Melinda Warren being burnt at the stake when America never burned witches that was Europe.
Omigosh, you're right!! Would you mind if I mentioned that in a future video? I'm happy to credit you!
@@weirdlybeloved No of course. it should be mentioned.
Omg lol I always thought the elders didn't make sense and were so week because they seemed so helpless and less as it went on.
Right?! I really wonder what it is they do up there all day, considering they never seem to actually HELP.. 🤔
@weirdlybeloved I imagine they make cloud art and try too find things too nitpick about everyone who isn't them lol
Piper owning her own club made perfect sense from what I remember about the show. Piper managed the restaurant Quaker for years. Many of the stories involved how stressful it was for her because she ran that restaurant basically by herself and the owners/manager took advantage of her because she was so good at running everything even though she didn't have enough help from her bosses.
Fair point!
In regards to why they use the same actors for reincarnation - it's all money. Cheaper to use the actors you're already paying then hire guest stars. It's also the the same reason they use the same actors for "past/future ancestors" on some shows. And a further note on the episode in question, it seems like they just REALLY wanted to do a '20's themed episode, and didn't care what they needed to do make it make sense. They also did something similar in the sixth season when Paige is sent back to the '60's.
Very true! The showrunners of Charmed always did seem to care more about money than quality, unfortunately.. 😔
There serious issues with continuity from Charmed. Not anyone’s opinion. These are facts!
About the cleaners: They never established that in the show, but I always thought good and bad came together after All Hell breaks loose and made the cleaners, so that something like that would never happen again and magic would never be exposed again.
That would have been a cool explanation. The cleaners could have stated we were created after Hell breaks loose to ensure that something like this never happens again. I would have accepted that explanation but instead they left open and now we fans have to try and come up with something.
I also feel the cleaners were created after the old whitlighter and Demon, who graded the hollow.
I agree with this. Especially with their past lifes and cleaners. What I would add to the list is:
- how they completelly and suddenly changed their attitude towards Cole between s4 and s5,
- secondary powers of Prue and Phoebe (Prue should get levitation and Phoebe astral projection),
- how Phoebe was getting less and less visions each season, to the point where she had only 2/3 of them in s8,
- why Phoebe and Paige were pushing Piper so much for Piper to give birth in the manor (Phoebe was born there and had to fight with her evil side all the time so why they wanted it for Piper's child),
- how many rooms has the manor (at some points there is a lot of them, like in 20's, before Patty's death, in alternative timeline where Cole was killed and sometimes it sounds like they have only three of them - when they had to recreate the warderobe for Wyatt)
- prophecy said that the Warren like will get more and more powerful until the 3 sisters will be born BUT there were 3 sisters before - their past lifes were cousins so their mothers were either 3 sisters (different lastnames suggest that they got them from their husbands) or 2 sisters and 1 brother (which contradicts with what grams said that only girls are born in this family
Omigosh, you make some amazing points!! I've been seriously considering making a follow-up video to this because I've heard some other stuff that doesn't really make sense either.. would you mind if I included some of your points and credited you in a future follow-up?
@@weirdlybeloved Of course that you can use this comment or any other comment written by me. :) I'm looking forward to see the second part. The older I get the more I see all those mistakes in the show.
I think their sudden attitude change toward Cole was due to the fact that Julian wanted to leave the show. So instead of just writing him out on a good note, they probably thought it would easier to have his character exit if he was "bad" again so the sisters could hate him. Therefore the viewer would hate him and his exit would be easier. But I would have rather them write him out on a good note so that later him and Phoebe could end up together instead of "Coop" last minute.
Don't forget how by Season 6, along with Phoebe's decreased premonitions, she got less ones that focused on innocents. In fact in Season 8 none of her premonitions have anything to do with the purpose intended, they all focus on her or her own desires specifically and she kept trying to force them! They became more like glorified magic 8 balls than an actual power.
@@Surgemaster2012 It really sucks how they handled premonition power because if controlled in the right way it's super powerful. It could be the most powerful power that Charmed ones ever had (I think that the only greater power on this show would be Billie's projection power). I mean from all primary powers which sisters had precognition IF controlled in the RIGHT way COULD be the most powerful one. Precognition is unstoppable when person knows how to use it as advantage. Like for example:
- using it as form of sensing during fight so you can see/sense next moves of your opponent and react to them before he will make a move,
- if you are hiding then you know when you will be attacked and you can prepare for that, when there is future attack on you or anyone,
- no one can lie to you or hide anything from you (much of s3, s4, s6 and s8 could be avoided because of this),
- she could see how to defeat each enemy so they would save a lot of time to find the solution.
And those are only few examples, there will be many more applications.
Phoebe NEVER used her power like that. She was barely even getting any visions. Demons surprised them MANY times which shouldn't happen. If used in the right way then none can surprise you and you can't be stopped.
Also think about all possible advancemets of this power like:
- astral projection (she did it in s5-s8) or even teleporting with a time travel
- empathy, which can grow into two ways
* into mind reading and this would grow into mind control
* or simply into reflecting attacks (like she did in s6) and then to use memories is reverse to actually hurt or kill someone
(like we saw in the future)
That's why they got rid of Phoebe's powers when she finally learned how to control them. Writers weren't smart enough to know how to deal with them. It happens EVERY TIME with premonition power on all shows... It's basically a superhero - if there is a character with premonition power he will end up in 1 of 3 ways:
- character is unable to control it (Pheobe for most of the show)
- character is loosing his power (Phoebe in season 6)
- character dies
It happends everywhere: Heroes, Agents of Shield, Arrowverse etc.
The basic wiccan powers of the Three were synergic and worked well together, covering three strategic aspects of fight: knowledge (Phoebe), defence (Piper) and attack (Prue). But Premonition is a difficult power to deal with when writing a story arc, especially for one of the main characters so they it always has to come with limitations not to spoil the whole story (not able to control it, loosing power, dying, visions are not clear etc.)
When the format of the show was “demon of the day”, basically Phoebe tracked the innocent and found out the plot of the demon that was soon to be vaquished. But when the show started covering long narrative arcs, Phoebe’s power became a nuisance to writers: this is the reason why she never truly gained full control over it and lost it in season 6.
Don’t you find very strange that a seer like Phoebe couldn’t see that Cole was Belthazor in s3, that he's the Source in s4, find out that Gideon was the main antagonist in s6, that Chris was Piper's son in s6 or that Billie and Christie are the ultimate evil in s8 despite having both power of visions and later empathy? Because it would have ruined the narrative arc!
Also, it always annoyed me that got levitation and Prue astral projection when it didn't make any sense. It should be the opposite. Prue should get levitation/flying because telekinesis allows her to move objects in psychical space so that would allow her to move herself also in psychical way. Which she did a few times in s3 anyway. And if Phoebe during visions can transform her mind in different places that scream astral projection!
So many years and this series still gives me fury. xD
I feel like the Leo reincarnation thing was just because they didn't want to pay to hire another actor to play P. Baxters love interest.
They were like "Meh whatever you're already on the payroll 🤷♀️."
Sadly, they could have cleaned up the Cleaners issue in that episode where the charmed ones went on trial to save Daryl, by saying they were created because of the situation in All Hell Breaks Loose. Instead they doubled down on it by saying they were watching the charmed ones since they first became witches!!!
🤦♀🤦♂🤦 What were they doing back then? Getting a lap dance in the demonic bar? They certainly weren't doing their job.
Exactly this!! It's like the show went out of its way to create a plothole!
They only looked like the cousins because that's how the sisters recognized their souls. Leo mentions this in the episode. They recognize each other because of that. So, the cousins DON'T actually look like the sisters, but the sisters see them as each other because that's how they know who's the past life of who.
Also, astral projection isn't exclusive to Prue. In Magic School, everyone learns to astral project. So, conceivably, once Prue figured out how to Astral Project, she could've taught Leo but they could've also just learned at Magic School. This one is squint worthy, lol.
I did mention the "recognized their souls" thing in the video, so obviously I know that Leo mentions that in the episode.
And I would agree on the astral projection thing, except for the fact that Phoebe explicitly states they learned it from Prue via Leo, so they didn't "just learn it at magic school." Which I also mentioned in the video.
When you were talking about barbas always showing up in san francisco it got me thinking about how and why all the demons are always there
Right? With Buffy it kind of made sense with the Hellmouth and everything, but in Charmed? Guess demons are just tourists at heart 😂
The manor is a power nexus
@@weirdlybeloved The underworld is probably beneath San Francisco
I always believed that prue left with death willingly since she would have remembered what happened once time reset once she had left her body I think she would have rather died then allowing each sister to die. She had already been warned by death that her name kept appearing on his list.
Definitely agree! Prue could be prideful and reckless, but protecting her family means everything to her and she'd rather die than watch them be hurt!
I love the fact that the S1 episode title is something Wicca this way comes and then the S7 finale is something wicca this way goes
Me too! I wish that had been the last episode, because it's such a perfect bookend to the pilot!
Point #2 The Cleaners- You are very right! the cleaners would have been helpful as a way to repair the death of Prue Halliwell, however what just came to mind for me was that maybe (like a video game) as you progress newer and stronger vilians and good beings are introduced. So maybe the cleaners were hidden from the sisters on purpose until they reached the power level they did and then the cleaners were able to be revealed to them because it would be to easy at the very beginning (when their powers are still developing in season 3 to be like, okay! here is a magical fix that can wipe away any problems you create or encounter.) Hence there would be no lesson learned by the Charmed Ones in season 4 when they meet Paige and so Piper and Phoebe would not have growth as characters.
Point #6- Prue's Astral projection, so here is my take on it, I don't think they used astral projection by having to learn from Prue specifically, I think it would be more of a "power transfer", this was shown in earlier seasons also that the sisters powers were often transferred to both mortals and magical demons through the hands. So bare with me, what if Prue's powers were still "alive" through the book of shadows (meaning they were attached to the book and could be accessed through the book itself only.) The remaining sisters could "tap" into Prue's powers, as if borrowing them or experiencing them for a short time (like a demo version) but Prue's powers could not be used by any other sister permanently like you said. So it's like getting a taste of a sisters powers. The Charmed Ones did this many times, from innocent witches to be, or innocents in general. Whitelighters etc. There are moments that Phoebe could channel powers of innocents through her premonitions even. But she didn't own their power just had a "taste of it."
Those are very interesting points! I never thought of it like that before!
Prue would have been a better fit for being the club owner. Phoebe was portrayed as irresponsible and reckless so something like owning a business wouldn't have made since for her character.
Also her going back to college to get her degree was crucial to her working at the newspaper and her future empath powers
But Prue was established as a museum/auction house artifact expert, so I think running a club definitely was definitely more Phoebe's speed than hers, you know?
The whole elders thing is why I enjoyed later season Piper more where she essnetially started telling the elders to do one or get on board.
Absolutely! It was funny watching the Elders panic once the sisters (namely Piper) started to figure out that the Elders needed them WAY more than they needed the Elders. Even they started to realize just how useless they were.
About the whitelighter-ese, in season 5 when Leo goes up to the elders, you hear white lighters clacking in the background. It’s never plot essential again, but it is referenced.
What never made sense to me was when Cole joined the Avatars and changed the timeline, why didn’t Paige have her white lighter powers? It was well established that she could always orb, and can orb when stripped of her witchy powers
Because she didn't exist in that timeline. She was dead and so were her whitelighter abilities.
Forming the Power of Three again reignited her powers ie witch powers and whilighter powers.
I agree. The whole reason the sisters had their powers reinstated when they came together by the book was because grams had died, and her spell binding their powers died with her. Their powers were bound because of their mom making the deal with the demon when she was pregnant with Phoebe. Paige never had her powers bound, so she should have had her powers all along, even if she didn’t know it. They repeatedly say powers are attached to emotions. So during her teenage years, Paige definitely should’ve had some sort of incident with her powers.
@@Randomnamerandomnumber oh my gosh ofcourse.
Unless telekinesis was only given to her by the Elders because of Prue's death. Maybe she just never had active witch powers as a teenager so if Piper had died instead, Paige's active powers would have been freezing time.
Is that a possible explanation?
It's interesting thinking about it now actually that while every witch's powers advanced, it was only Paige who never had a witch power advancement. It was always a whitelighter power advancement.
Hmmm maybe Paige isn't the strongest Charmed One after all then. She only has more powers because of her whitelighter side not her witch side.
@@TCt83067695 It seems to me that the writers gave her all the tools to be the most powerful witch (a true replacement for Pru), but then someone decided she wasn't allowed to surpass Piper and Phoebe, and so they didn't make it a priority to grow her powers.
@@Randomnamerandomnumber This is such a great point! Paige absolutely should have had her powers growing up! Would you mind if I mention it in a future video? I'd be happy to credit you!
I agree with you about the Cleaners' role in the series. It does seem rather puzzling that they remained conspicuously absent during the exposure of magic in season 3. It would have been gratifying if the writers had offered an explanation for this omission in the later seasons when Wyatt created a dragon that exposed magic. For instance, Piper could have confronted them, questioning why they refrained from intervening when threats like Shax emerged if it was their job to clean up magic. Such a dialogue could have shed light on the Cleaners' perspective and motivations. A simple answer could have been "We have access to time and we knew time would be reset and on top of that Prue was destined to die so we couldn't interfere" A simple explanation like that would have made sense so I agree with you.
Clyde's door wasn't meant to help them change the past. Leo tells Paige it's just supposed to help her see events from a better POV. So no, his door is not a plothole, thankfully 😃
Very true! Honestly using Clyde's door as an example was a terrible choice on my part, and I'm working on a follow up video where I use much better ones!
@@weirdlybeloved it's okay 😃 they kinda put that trope on its head 😅
“Some of these prices were literally rent!” You go queen! Poor people problems are a Gucci purse to the rich. That’s the real evil, not sexy Zankou.
FR... my jaw dropped at some of those prices! Even the ones that were on clearance were like $300-$400, and I just couldn't wrap my head around it at all!! 😵
I can most definitely see phoebe running a club
Me too! I feel like it actually would have been really cool to see!
Piper owning her own club, was essential. She needed to become her own boss (due to her Wicca obligations.). Opening a restaurant was not feasible.
There are a lot of jobs that would allow you to be your own boss, though.. there are even some that involve food, such as a catering business. I just don't think a club was very "Piper" you know?
Oh man, it's been a while since I thought about charmed. Here's my take on the cleaners: The elders often do things (like sending Leo to turn the pages of the book of shadows to the time spell to stop witch trials i think) without giving much explanation but knowing it will help somehow and change some outcome. So my head cannon is that somehow the elders knew it was Prue's time or something. So they purposefully held the cleaners back knowing that the exposure situation would be resolved and what needed to happen would. I think Prue is doing some kind of work in the afterlife.
Could be the P. Bowen died 3/63 not Penelope Halliwell would make it make sense. Phoebe's power advancement never explained, lightening from her hands zapping Cal Green to death in 2008. "What did I do, Leo. Premonition him to death!?" Witch Stock (woodstock) shows Jack Halliwell's death was not in '64 but the summer of love '69. holes everywhere! When you dont consistantly use the same writers from episode to episode.
When it concerns the cleaners get involved in any moment except when it interferes with Destiny. Remember that when Prue died, Paige was called. Paige’s Destiny, as a charmed one was called at that moment. If the cleaners would’ve erased what had happened or had gotten involved in that moment, then it is not certain that Paige’s Destiny would’ve started after that or even potentially been fulfilled at all.
I'm just not sure if it was ever established in the show that the Cleaners can't interfere with Destiny? The Cleaners are supposed to clean up magical exposure, full stop, so if they existed during AHBL then I wish the show would have at least addressed why they couldn't get involved back then.
That does make sense but also when you think about the show and the magical community, they also had a white lighter. White lighters are attached to the elders, and we know from season five episode where the elder (Remus) was about to pass down his powers to the teenager, he told Leo that he could see the future and gave him insight on the future of his child, or Wyatt .If Elders could see the future, then they could have warned Leo to warn the sisters about the exposure incident potentially coming through. Also, if this incident in all hell breaks loose didn’t trigger Phoebe to have a premonition about this as well, that a perhaps could have been Destiny involved. We know that the elders do not get involved in Destiny as it pertains to free will.
Whitelighters orb, heal and guide, not sure of any other powers they have, they're just a council. They are also passive and may not be able to fight. When I first saw the three astral project, I did think it was off as it was a unique power to Prue's ability.
Yeah, they don't like to fight and prefer to avoid it if then can, but will if they have to. A couple times I can think of are in Murphy's Luck or A Knight to Remember. Whitelighters (or rather, Leo) have also been known to use telekinesis and levitation, and I really wonder where those powers came from lol.
The reason he keeps coming back to San Fransico is precisely reason you mentioned and that is because he got his ass kicked. Imagine if you possessed god-like powers and were banished from a particular place after being defeated, the desire for revenge would likely be a strong motivator for returning to that location. The humiliation of being bested by mortals and the unfulfilled need to settle the score could drive someone to keep coming back, even if it meant facing the same adversaries repeatedly. The emotional and psychological impact of such a defeat could be long-lasting and provide a powerful incentive for seeking retribution in the same place, as moving on to another city might not offer the same opportunity for vengeance. In Barbas' case, his determination to overcome the witches of San Francisco is a testament to the enduring nature of his grudge and the pursuit of his ultimate goal.
If he moves to another city and witches die of old age he would have to spend eternity knowing that three mortal witches bested him and no matter how many witches he kills it would never be enough.
Yeah the Elders were the most useless characters on the show and their "power" seemed more like it was a title than actual power. They never cared for being a force of good they just wanted power and control themselves. Alongside you mentioning how they never helped the girls its even worse with Leo. Where he is the whitelighter to the most powerful witches ever, yet every time he is shot or almost dies they don't send another whitelighter for backup. It almost felt as if Leo was the most disposable to them despite his role in guiding the sisters. I would also point to make instances of personal gain, particularly in Season 4. Like in Charmed and Dangerous, Paige used a spell to help a woman who was domestically assaulted so she would be in a better position to fight for custody of her child, yet in the next episode this is personal gain because it changed the outcome of somebody else? Even though Paige had no intent of using it for any beneficial gain, her getting that promotion was mere conisedence. There was also the existence of Simon in Season 8 where he has the same power as Paige, even though the main reason for Paige being put in secrecy was because Witch-Whitelighters were forbidden.
I got the sense that Paige was mostly concerned about the promotion as retroactive personal gain for the sake of her own conscience and less about fear of some sort of supernatural retribution. Although she was still really new to witchcraft at the time, so it's possible she was just being overly cautious.
Oh for sure, and the Elders were major hypocrites, too. Like how Whitelighter/Witch relationships and children were forbidden until they realized it could work in their favor, then they decided to look the other way.. and all that stuff with Gideon.. haha, I'm starting to realize just how much the Elders bug me lol..
Another thing comes to mind - in season 1 love hurts when Leo is shot by the dark lighter - Phoebe says didn’t he have the ability to heal and Leo replied that his power is for others and doesn’t work on himself - in season 4 when he those 2 ghosts are after him from his war days he gets stabbed with a knife the ghost throws and he pulls it out and he automatically heals - no hands, his wound just heals and that’s how the ghosts know it’s Leo and not his grandson. That’s a plot hole right? Or continuity error
I think whitelighter's wounds heal if they're caused by anything other than a darklighter, but the show is definitely very inconsistent with the healing rules!
In Season 5, when Barbas stole Cole's powers, he managed to manipulate the rules due to his newfound abilities, acquired by learning from another demon how to project his astral form onto the mortal plane. His recurring appearances were often facilitated by higher demons, even Gideon sought his aid to eliminate Wyatt. This pattern illustrates that Barbas is typically called upon or summoned by higher powers when they require his services, enabling him to circumvent his 1300-year imprisonment. Furthermore, he possesses an uncanny resilience; while he can be killed, he invariably returns from purgatory. A notable example of this was when Cole eliminated him after reclaiming his powers, only for Gideon to summon Barbas once again to assist in Wyatt's demise.
Number 4 is a bit different. I think that they relive the experience of the past without actually changing it. That’s what I always thought. It was different than a time ripple like Piper took to make sure Pheobe’s bf died.
Very true! Using Clyde's door was a bad example on my part! :(
Well the Phoebe soul could have been reborn a very short time after her death then reborn again as a charmed one while the sister who died almost before her counterpart was reborn as Piper. Then the Prue soul could have had a tragic short life before being reborn as prue. And Leo could have been killed by Anton before taking his appearance to avoid him walking into the room and spoiling the plan thus having Leo be immediately reborn as Leo Wyatt.
Fair points! It's always possible!
Charmed is pretty good when it's just about random monsters or magic causing trouble but world building isn't really one of it's strengths.
True!
A Paige from the Past, the door wasn’t used to alter the past it was to learn from it. You can’t really say that they should have used it to retcon Prue’s death because they would have gone back to experience her death all over again with no real outcome other than them having to go through the same events for a second time.
The cleaners, I can understand. But I’m charmed lore. It was Paige’s destiny to become a charmed one. Undo that and Paige wouldn’t be a witch or a sister.
There’s an Astral Projection spell used in Season 5, Sympathy for the demon.
Pardon My Past, Leo addresses why they look familiar to Phoebe.
A Paige from the Past ~ using Clyde's door was a flimsy example on my part; I was trying to illustrate the point that Charmed was so explicit in AHBL on how only Tempest can manipulate time, but there are plenty of examples of how that is contradicted in the show. Heck, the episode I just covered in my newest video (All Halliwell's Eve) showed the Elders themselves having the power to send the girls back in time! It's like, if they can send them back hundreds of years, then they definitely could send them back one day.
The Cleaners - that's the thing, though, they only created the character of Paige to fill the hole in the trio after Shannen left, so Paige's backstory was hastily thrown together after season three and the whole AHBL plot already happened, so it's hard to see it as her "destiny" when it was just something the writers made up after three seasons worth of building lore. And even so, they really should have explained in the show why the cleaners they invented for this episode didn't help when magic was exposed in season three.
Astral projection - I know, but as I said in the video, Phoebe explicitly states that they learned it from Prue via Leo, so it really doesn't make sense as that's an extension of Prue's Charmed power and something they can't just replicate it on their own.
Pardon My Past - again, I know. I addressed Leo's explanation in the video, too. 😕
Clive’s door was a way to go back and observe, but you couldn’t truly change the past using it
True, but the fact that they introduced something like this, especially just 10 episodes after AHBL, is reeeally stepping on the toes of their own lore imho.
Point #9- The Elders, so yes frustrating as it is, the Elders do nothing to help the sisters, or Leo, or themselves throughout the episodes, yet I feel that they do echo an important point... Even in the government or politics the same is shown, people may have great amounts of power yet don't know how to handle that power and are not informed of the REAL issues that the people below deal with, and remember the Charmed Ones were first sisters and human beings before witches so other than knowing a great power was coming, or being born into creation I don't see them caring or following up on events, sadly.
Sad, but very true! :( //I kinda wish they'd overthrown the Elders at some point and established their own hierarchy :O
Thank you for sharing this video. I found myself asking these same questions and more throughout the series 😂
Thank you! I'm really glad you liked it! ☺️
what if leos "past life" was just his disguise and he never ended up telling the girls that the fake identity was fake
Right? Leo's such a creep that it honestly wouldn't surprise me at this point.
@@weirdlybeloved fr TOT and the fact hes most likely been with almost everyone from every charmed line is disgusting HES BEEN WATCHING PIPER SINCE SHE WAS LIKE 3 HES A FREAK
@@SharkzGirl Right?! I've always wanted to make a video on Leo and his many, many red flags!
@@weirdlybeloved OMG you so should tho like what is wrong with him
@@SharkzGirl I'm definitely going to at some point! Probably once the Grams and Chris videos are done Leo will be the next character I focus on, because it's like.. 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
If you think about it the episodes were he tricks Leo and Piper are similar to how cole reached out to Phoebe from the demonic wasteland maybe barbas is there too
Ah, very true!
5:30 it’s like this even in real life. The charmed ones are a powerful force for good so they attract evil. They’re like flames and demons like barbas are moths 💕
Loving your segment btw! Just wanted to chime in and discuss with ya hopes that’s okay!
Thank you so much! And of course, I love hearing feedback on the videos! I don't really know anyone besides my mom and sister irl that watches Charmed, so it's wonderful that I've found a way to connect with other fans to talk about the show we love! 🥰
It always seemed like being a white lighter was a better deal than an elder. White lighters only have a single weakness, while elders are relatively easy to kill. Also, another problem with power scaling i have is the source. It's stated he is the most powerful force of evil, and yet there are several demons stated to be so strong that even he feared them. So like why weren't any of them made the source? It's always written as he "sealed" them away, i find that rather lazy writing
For real! Even COLE almost killed the Source with a massive energy ball! He wasn't even in his demonic form, either! I know the Source was distracted and vulnerable, but still! Energy balls shouldn't have even stood a chance against someone who is supposed to be THAT powerful!
And imo, the Source was also really boring, too. Like, when you see him in the season three finale, he looks so cool and foreboding with his red cloak and his sword.. definitely someone to be wary of
Then they changed him in season 4 and he pretty much becomes about as powerful as your average demon, who spends most of his time running around complaining about the Charmed Ones. They made the evil leader act like a whiny kid lol.. tbh, I think Zankou made a much more interesting threat, and I think it would have been cool if he'd stuck around longer and/or become the Source.
@weirdlybeloved OMG, I totally agree with you. Zankou also made things personal when he killed Kyra, a fan favorite. The charmed ones barely survived their battle with him. About the energy ball scene, i always felt that scene was weird. The whole point of the charmed ones stated by the angel of destiny was to kill the source. So, like, if Cole could have killed him....then like why were the charmed ones made??
@@GodMothaKyle I forgot that the Angel of Destiny said that!! Honestly I'm starting to think this video needs a follow up..
@weirdlybeloved love the show but sooo many plot holes, definitely deserves a follow-up lol
@@weirdlybeloved Probably because the producers and writers didn't know if their was gonna be a season 5
The Barbas issue was explained in the show.... he learned how to project from purgatory meaning he no longer had to wait the required number of years.... Thats the same episode he was shown hanging from the ledge in purgatory
He appeared in season 2 before he learned to do that, which was just a year after his first appearance and shouldn't have been possible.
@@weirdlybeloved I think it was explained in season 2 that he had found a loophole in the requirements to him getting out.
@@untamedrose30 Oof, I'll have to rewatch Ms Hellfire because I definitely missed that! Whoops.. 😬
The only reason why Piper bought the club is in reality it was part of the Aaron's spelling formula started in the later seasons of 90210 when they would bring on musical acts. Would it make more sense to see musical acts in a restaurant? Or a night club??
Oh I know why the show chose to add a nightclub - I said in the video that they also probably saw how well it worked for Buffy - I just don't think it made sense for Piper to be the one who ran it.
It wouldn't make sense for crew to run either because she's too a type amphibian at the time was 2 fiscally irresponsible
Amphibian? 🤔
@@weirdlybeloved you got to love speech to text LOL I ment Phoebe but then again Alyssa Milano does act like a lizard snake so... Same difference lol
Number 10; I can't think of anything other than the fact I agree with you. Why would they waste their time creating that language only to never use it again.
Right? I still don't think the language made sense, though it has been pointed out that it actually was used again when Leo went up to speak with the Elders in season 5! My bad! D:
Piper's power is molecular Immobilization, not temporal stasis. Also, Leo's age comes into question as well, because I did the math and according to that Leo supposedly died at the age of 18. I could always check again, but still.
They didn't come up with the molecular immobilization thing until season three to justify giving Piper such an OP power; before that it was simply the power to 'freeze time,' which has been passed down through their line.
@@weirdlybeloved The way it was shown, it wasn’t time magic. Mel from the reboot according to a few people was the true definition of a time witch until season 2. If Piper did have time magic then she would’ve gotten powers that were based around time. Also, nice video. And I can’t wait to see your video on The Warrens.
No, Her powers are molecular manipulation. Though that would include immobilization as well.
she can stop time stop with the molecule bullhit
P. Russell was 29 at the curse. Phoebe was 24. Phoebe was wrong in saying they were the same age. Grams was born in 1937 and Patty was born in 1950 which is freaking weird. Who is Victor Jones? Jack Halliwell died in 1964, but Paige saw him in the 70s. The tree had all kinds of problems.
Paige went back to 1967*. Still after Jack's death according to the tree who was renamed Allen.
Yeah, the writers didn't care.
Omigosh, I never noticed that about P. Russell! Would you mind if I mention that in a future video? I'm happy to credit you!
I don't mind at all. 🙂
@@UniquelyCritical Thank you!
In the episode parden my past the leo in the 20s was just a warlock shape-shifting into Leo. He could have died before 1924
I said in the video that I know it was Anton posing as past Leo, but the fact that past Piper didn't show any alarm at "Leo's" presence suggested that, as far as past Piper was aware, past Leo was still alive.
@@weirdlybeloved I don’t believe that was Leo I believe there was another white lighter so something tells me that Leo shares the same memories With the past white lighter
Dates of the deaths - So I agree this is very bizarre. I did find that the dates in the book of shadows (from the show) were wrong. I would be more inclinde to believe that the sisters died all around 1920's, and then were reborn around the 60's-70's or 80's. So that would mean Prue born in 1924, then Piper 1927, etc.
Fear is always a part of human nature, and is timeless. So like fear, Barbas is always alive and well, but he is imprisoned in purgatory except for every 1300 years. I think in the beginning Barbas accepted these terms as part of the grand design, but after fighting The Charmed Ones he fought the terms and was always looking for a way out. Once he was officially vanquished in season 5, he was no longer just banished back to his cell, but legitimately vanquished. But since he is actually unvanquishable, this freed him from his 1300 year cycle.
I always thought that Anton killed former Leo and was masquerading as him. Further confirming when P Baxter says this isn't like you, it's not been him for a while. Anton strikes me as the demon that fits the quote, "Evil doesn't love. it's just sexual gratification." Why not go after both P Baxter and P Russell. But yes, he ends up with fixation on P Russell. It could be that the body of past Leo wasn't found till later on, and the death date was mistaken. Yes, the Elders could have made him a whitlighter right then and there, but we both know the elders are not the smartest. As well, what if P Bowen was Phoebe Bowen. Patti's Great aunt. Yes, we know Patti just says aunt in the quote. "I named you after my favorite aunt. There is room to say it was her great aunt as the oldest to die.
Who is P Raswelad? Are you talking about P Russel? 🤔
@weirdlybeloved opps I just realized I spelled it wroung.😬
@@deamea5098 You're good! I just thought there might be a member of the family tree I'd somehow missed! 😯
@weirdlybeloved I'd really like to see a mini series built around the Warren's through the generations
I see two reasons one owning a club means if you need to dash and have flexiblity you can as you hire staff and it can run itself sorta. Second working in hospitality you often end up doing all sorts of jobsmy former boss in a cocktial bar was a chef. So it oddly can fit
Very true! I never really considered the flexible hours aspect, so that actually makes a lot of sense!
Thank you so much for the time and effort you put in the videos. Some plot holes is to be expected, especially when a show has so many seasons. As a fan of Charmed, the inconsistences and plot holes just shows that the writers was just lazy and also shows a lack of respect for the fans.
@@youseferkul3953 Thank you so much! I'm glad you like the videos! And yuss.. Charmed was a hot mess sometimes, but it was our hot mess! 🥰
I love charmed but the writers Did not give the audience any credit. Apparently in the charmed universe, it’s illegal to get tattoos on your hands.
Right? It's one thing to be creative and explore possibilities.. it's another to assume your audience will just believe anything you tell them. 😐
You forgot one that doesn't make sense. Why did Phoebe hate Cole so much in season 5 all suddenly? How did she fall out of love with him?
That's a great point! Especially since Phoebe even admits that she still loves Cole in the season five premiere, so like.. what?!
@@weirdlybeloved You can still love someone and still hate them at the same time and I think Phoebe probably didn't notice it or realize this in episode one of five until the end of that episode. It's called emotional ambivalence which allows love and hate to co-exist rather than one over shadowing another..
I have less problems with the reincarnation timelines. There’s people that believe that in order to reincarnate you have to, a) choose to do so, and b) be “ready” to do so. In essence, if you’ve been a good person and you died when it was your time, you’d be free to reincarnate instantly if you choose to do so. However, if you died a violent, unexpected death, you’d be stuck in limbo to figure things out. To come to terms with your life and your death. In that sense, it actually kind of makes sense that P. Russell would take longer than the other two to reincarnate, knowing her fate.
As far as the timelines and family tree comes, Grams is probably the most flawed character, yes. I’ve never noticed her mistaken date of death, but have you noticed she supposedly was only fourteen when she had Patty? Two other things about Gram’s lore and family tree that infuriates me is that Grams says there’s no men born into the Warren line, yet, according to the family tree, she has a younger brother that was never mentioned in the show. Also, she always makes a pretty big deal about keeping their Halliwell name, and even in the podcast Drew Fuller asked Holly Marie Combs how their name went from Warren to Halliwell, and Holly answers “well it definitely wasn’t Grams who changed her last name”, when actually… she did. Not from Warren, of course, but from Johnson to Halliwell.
Also, one thing I never understood was how P. Russell and P. Bowen did not have Warren powers. Was P. Baxter the only one that came from the Warren line and were the other cousins just witches as well, but from another dynasty? That was definitely not explained, and its weird that the sisters didn’t seem to question it. Also, and maybe this is nitpicky, but why did none of the direct ancestors that we’ve seen (Penny, Patty, P. Baxter) have premonition powers?
Oof I hadn't noticed that about Grams! Would you mind if I mention that in the follow up video I'm making?
@@weirdlybeloved no, I don't mind at all, I'd be honored haha 😀
the elders=jedi counsel.
Liked before I watched because they’re always bangers 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you so much! 🥰
I completely agree!!! Can we talk about season 8 real quick (episode desperate housewitches) when the source came back. And Paige asked how did yall vanquish him before!! Excuse me lady you were there when yall vanquished him!!!😂😂😂
OMIGOSH, WHAT??? It's been so long since I watched season 8, I COMPLETELY forgot about that!! Would you mind if I mentioned that in a future video? I'd be happy to credit you!
@@weirdlybeloved of course. I love your videos
That one makes me so mad every time. I feel like that line was originally written for Billie to say, since she spent a good deal of time at Magic School in that episode, but then there was probably an edit or rewrite that removed her from the scene so they gave the line to Paige instead... for some reason.
1. I buy the bar thing. Part of growing up is making compromises. Piper learned that her dream had to change form. I wanna make horror films but I only get funding for Dramas about the struggles of being black. I totally understand why Piper changed to a bar.
2. Barbas can only show up 1300 years by permission. The other times he comes back is through his influence from hell or through some deals. I think he represents the Charmed Ones biggest fear (fear itself) and they are partly responsible for manifesting him into reality. And sometimes he's not actually there but he's in some other dimension.
3. The Cleaners. Paige was part of the Charmed destiny so the Cleaners didn't need to intervene. Prue was always going to die. The Source set it up. When he tricks Phoebe he already knows Prue is gonna go. The lesson was "never make a deal with the devil".
4. Clyde can't just take people willy-nilly. It was for a specific purpose and I don't think it was material. I think it was more like another dimension. Like taking acid. Whereas Tempus and the Cleaners affect the real reality. There was also that episode where they relive the same day but the guy dies anyway no matter what they do.
5. The Nexus.
6. I'll give you that one.😂😂😂
7. Yeah he died in 1924. Consumption was big back then.
8. It's too confusing to use different actors. A lot of the stuff we the audience see in Charmed, the Charmed Ones don't see it. Notice when they do a spell and we see orbs and sparkles but the sisters go "did it work?". It's like when you do an affirmation you don't know if it worked or not but in the Astral realm there are orbs and sparkles. So because reincarnation is compounded and across space and time, it's possible.
9. The Elders are our Ancestors. They don't know everything. They're ascended humans. The way it was presented in Charmed is similar to how it's presented in our Zulu culture.
10. Well...
Just play Angel's Advocate 😂😂😂
Thank you for sharing your perspective 🙂
But for the bar I feel like she could have made a bar/restaurant at this way she gets to cook as well as control the menu and in the night it could be a club and no food it served after nine pm.
Regarding number eight I agree. In Season 8, after their encounter with Zankou, the sisters faked their own deaths and assumed the identities of other individuals. To achieve this, they employed various actors, which, I must admit, left me somewhat perplexed. It became necessary to closely follow the storyline to distinguish between the sisters and their new personas. However, as the narrative progressed, they devised a spell to enable them to perceive each other in their genuine forms. This spell was explained within the series that Wyatt was having a hard time recognizing the sisters.
@@abbysands9510 That would be such a great idea!
7:36 yeah I can’t watch past season 5. Brad Kern thought we were stupid and that the writing didn’t matter and I hate him 🤷🏼♀️
I can't believe he got to stay on the show while Constance M Burge got pushed out! He clearly didn't know wtf he was doing. 😓
I think the issue with Barbas was explained in the series... he learned how to Astral project from purgatory.. Therefore, he didn't need to wait the usual time. Also Abraxas didn't start from the back of the book, the episode shows him specifically scrolling through the book and reading what looks like spells that interest him. I think the biggest that didn't make sense was the "To Call Our Ancestors' spell... Why the hell didn't they use that spell more??? why in the final fight they didn't use this after its success with the source?? Also, the Hallow gives you so much power and strength, yet when the source placed it in the demon at the ancient burial ground, the sisters vanquished that demon with a daggar?????
Right?! If the Power of Three spell was pretty much a checkmate, then calling the power of their ENTIRE LINE should have just eradicated evil where it stood! Why they only used it twice (that I remember.. one on the original Source, and then again on Cole) I have no idea!
Re: 2 Barbas
Awesome point. I know they could have EASILY wrote around it, because according to the calendar, once every 1300 years AND on a Friday the 13th (I don't think the concept of Friday the 13th existed then) happens way less often than the many times he appeared, but Barbas is awesome so that nullifies it.
Also, shoutout to Patty for actually doing the research and calculations to figure when Barbas would return and writing that entry in the Book of Shadows.
Patty doesn't get enough credit for being such a clever witch! I really wish the show would have explored that more!
Precisely! And Patty was the one who's idea it was to depower Nicholas' ring in That 70s Episode before they return to the present. Also, it was her idea to use unborn Phoebe's powers to boost the return spell (1st use of the power of 3 technically). And in the show's finale, Patty suggested to recreate the Power of 3 with 3 generations of Halliwells. Whoa damn. When did I become a Patty Halliwell fan?
As a fan we truly just accept continuity doesn't exist in Charmed lmao especially the ages/dates. No chronology just vibes 🤣
For real! XD
“A paige from the past” remember they were there to only observe the past but they couldn’t change it.
When Paige tried to they got into an accident before their ride for dinner.
In that episode on the way home from school she asks that they skip going out for family dinner and stay home and the accident happened.
She robbed herself of extra time with her parents actually when you think of it because she tried changing the past. Sorrryyy sorrry I’m a charmed fanaticcccc don’t mind meeee
True! Honestly using Clyde's door as an example of a time travel plot hole was a terrible example on my part ~ I'm working on a follow-up video where I use much better examples! 😊
@@weirdlybeloved no way I love all your videos this one too! Thanks for sharing these! It’s always great connecting with other Charmers lol
@@Blacklistedreadings Thank you so much!
About the Leo's past life thing-I always just assumed that after she left her ex she cut off all contact with him, so even if he'd died somehow (medical condition she didn't know about, died in world war I, car crash, death via bad batch of hootch, etc) she wouldn't know about it. It would fit with Anton and evil Phoebe's sense of humor of killing with a dead man's face. Just my assumption. Now, back to the video for me. (Loving the video by the way!)
I'm glad you liked the video! I did address the Anton thing more fully in a recent video - Charmed Theories Revisited - but I think that past Leo was probably still alive, since it fits with a lot of Charmed's uses of shapeshifting, and Anton also used the old lady's form to trick Leo, and he'd left her alive as well. They definitely could have been a lot clearer about that in the episode, though! 🤔
Here’s a decent video idea I think. 5 (or 10 if you are brave lol) Charmed One-Off Episodes that should have been Season Long Arcs. Number 1 with a Bullet for me is the Rowe Coven. The exact counter to the Charmed Ones on the side of Evil and you use it up in 1 episode? Wasted in my eyes
Ooh that's a great idea!! I can definitely think of a few episodes that fit that criteria! Which episode had the Rowe Coven though? 🤔
PS Idk if you meant to reference Fall Out Boy, but "number one with a bullet" is gonna have me singing Sugar, We're Going Down for the rest of the night haha 💕
@@weirdlybeloved the episode was When Bad Warlocks Go Good the 18th episode of the 1st Season. It was most well known for having Michael Weatherly Guest Star before he got really famous as Tony DiNozzo on NCIS…
@@mtverv Oh right!! It's been so long since I've seen that episode lol.. yeah, that really should have been explored more. Tbh, so should that chick that took Jackson Ward's soul in The Power of Two.. now SHE would have made an awesome villain!
Here's a few that don't make sense to me :
- When we witness Leo's powers for the first time he has telekinisis, which is never shown again
- Chris' actions + what he does to Leo (how ???) and killing and kissing a valkyrie (hello Bianca) + S6 future timeline + his fooling around with one of the blond demon sisters posing as Phoebe (ew)
- How powerfull Wyatt is (compared to the supposed to be super powerful charmed ones)
- Whether demons have feelings or not : Kyra the seer says they cannot feel (or something along those lines) but we've seen demons in "love" and stuff
Omigosh you're so right!! I'm working on a follow up video to this one ~ would it be alright if I mentioned some of your points and credited you?
@@weirdlybeloved Absolutely!
for me in my head cannon, the reason the cleaners couldn't help in all hell brakes loose is that prue was destined to die the way she did and no one could mess with that kinda like how in doctor who the doctor cant go back in time and change fixed points. if Prue doesn't die the page doesn't get her powers and the greater power isn't stopped
@@jamieguichard1152 It's sad that the actual canon couldn't come up with something like that, it would have made a lot more sense, haha.
I actually think about the pardon my past leo timeline every time i rewatch. I just assumed leo died on that exact date that past phoebe did, because in the episode you see the demon antoine shape shifted into him but i dont think we see “real leo” or whatever his name was again. The demon antoine prob killed past leo before shifting into him and hid his body. Ur right about the reincarnation thing, that is if there werent any more past lives in between the baxters and them being the halliwells which technically we dont know
Also, leo said their souls recognize each other in pardon my past and thats why they look “the same” not sure why grams couldnt recognize her moms soul tho
Can anyone explain how is it possible that Grams was 25-30 years old (?) in 1967 (the episode Witchstock, where Paige goes to the past), and Prue is born three years later, in 1970?? I never got this part 😢
Right?! I even did a section on Witchstock in one of my "things that didn't make sense in Charmed" videos because there are so many plotholes in that episode it's unreal!
There is just no way Patty should have been old enough to give birth to Prue in 1970 given the timeline that episode established. Especially when you combine it with the family tree from Pardon My Past!
Thx God someone sees this besides me! I remember googling this like 10 (maybe 15?..) years ago and finding zero comments on the subject! I almost began thinking I was seriously misunderstanding smth 😅
(love your videos actually ❤)
@@magdarever2967 It really is bizarre! I'd love to see an interview with the writers of Witchstock where someone asks them why they wrote in so many things that work against the established Charmed lore! Especially since it seems like a lot of the problems with the episode would have been fixed if they had just cast someone older as past Grams! 🤔
And thank you so much! ☺️ ❤️
Speaking of similarities, the girls' grandma has said that Paige is the spitting image of her own mother. In a different episode in the past when they met their granddad, Allen I think he was called, he has just returned from dropping Patty at his sister's and upon seeing Paige, he commented that she looks exactly like her (his sister)... I've always wondered why series just don't have someone keeping a file on the characters and just put in all such details that come up in the show...
Wow, I never noticed that! Great catch!
And me too, it seems like a pretty simple way to make sure they keep the backstory and lore consistent!
I think the cleaners was created by prue so the thing that happened to her want happen again
another thing I was thinking about past Piper being Gram's mother is it was like the writers were setting Piper up to be a matriarch of the family, which at the end of the show she was.
I remember in the season finale the last charmed TV show she always wanted to open a restaurant because she adores cooking so it is crazy the same time that she open a bar called P three it’s just like they did not know how to tell what is her passion running a bar or open a restaurant
Because in the season finale she said that she always wanted to open a restaurant that it was explained in the end of the season so it is messed up so that was a great remark nice point of view what you said about that Abou PiperPersonality and what is her talent
And they also need a fan teaser about the episode in charmed pardon me for my past I’m not sure if you seen it but it seems like they are thinking about doing a prequel nothing is yet to have any plans but it’s called the warrens and you see them walking You see them walking to the Manor house so it’s crazy it seems real but nothing is confirmed it was a teaser trailer in Paramount plus before they were three sisters they were three cousins so that was the plot of fan teaser
Could you do your review aboutThe fan teaser about the warrens
The Warrens review should go up this Friday! :D
This show is full of plotholes. The writers were confused every season 😂
Great to know I'm not the only one sometimes confused by Charmed writers.
Anyway, gonna miss Shannen.
I'm glad I have the entire Charmed series on DVD.
As for Braxas, I guess he was a gluten for pain.
I'm gonna miss her, too! 😢💔
I always hated that the cousins in the 1920ies had totally different powers (maybe except Piper’s past version who had a time manipulating ability). It was well established that Melinda Warren had three very specific abilities which she passed on without any changes.
Right?! I get trying to make flashback or time travel episodes more interesting, but completely ignoring the show's own lore is NOT the way to go! If the three cousins didn't have Melinda's powers, then it definitely should have at least been explained why!
And their powers were cooler/better than the powers that the CHARMED ONES had. Like that made no sense.
As a person who loves charmed down!!! Like it’s one of my favorite shows ever!! You are right haha!
Thank you! And yuss, it's one of my favorites too!! 🥰
Piper eventually did own her own restaurant after season 8...by that time they had lots of free time.
True! It's just sad that she had to spend the majority of the show working jobs she didn't really love while everyone around her got to pursue their passions. 😢
@weirdlybeloved I looked at it like this. Piper might not have been confident enough to run a restaurant or simply wasn't sure.
Her owning a club was like a test run for her, and she did say she was tired of working for other people's helping them get richer.
This stems from that interview with that lady...her old high school classmate Joanne who helped her go for her dreams.
You can't change the past, with the door it would have happend again.
Yeah, using Clyde's door was a bad example. I'm working on a video where I use much better ones. ☺️
@@weirdlybeloved Actually, it's not a bad example. In season 7 (maybe 6, I always forget if the Avatars are in season 6 or 7, lol), Paige takes Brody through that door back to his childhood. He then, before coming back, steals the Avatar potion that he was supposed to have found when he was a child, thus changing his own past. And on "All Halliwell's Eve", had the Elders not forcibly sent the sisters back, Cole would have successfully altered the past. Though that bit brings up its own plot holes with figuring out how time travel, which ignores the flow of time, can only supposedly be done on certain days yet they time traveled on other days many times throughout the series.
@@joshuapierce3085 Oh wow, I forgot about the Brody stuff! Wow.. this show is so utterly inconsistent lol
Hope I can make some sense of things for you...
1. Cooking takes a lot of time. It was a dream that she had abandoned for the greater good. As for the career options you provided, the first two would still be cooking and the third isn't something I can see Piper sitting down and doing until after the epilogue.
2. The Book of Shadows is not always 100% reliable. Information can be a lie, or simply from someone misinformed. I would imagine he gets benefits from the Source seeing as he has come the closest (other than Shax) to kill a Charmed One.
3. The Cleaners only interfere when things cannot resolve themselves. Time was reset as they knew it would be and none of it mattered. The Cleaners came for Wyatt because no one was there to reset time again for them. That's probably what they gave them extra time for. Not to defeat the dragon, but to find a way to entirely reverse the events. The Elders are a watchtower for Good, not an almighty force and have more limited power than we're led to believe, as shown throughout the series.
4. The door loops time rather than causes a reset point. Nothing can be altered, hence why her parents died anyway. It's also possible that the door doesn't time travel at all and simply creates illusions based on memories. Just because something is said, doesn't mean it's true.
A reset point would mean it had never happened at all and anything from that point forward is fair game. Other methods of time travel in the show add a bonus of amnesia to those who came into contact with the travelers.
5. Abraxas could have had some level of Clairvoyance and cherry-picked pages based on the Charmed Ones' past. Also possible that his power of resurrection is separate from reading backwards to erase the book. Mixed with the Clairvoyance theory, he'd know who to bring back. Or maybe touching the page is enough.
6. It could be a latent ability all Witches have like how all Demons have Energyballs, all Whitelighters have Healing, etc.
7. Past lives can live concurrently with current lives. Who's to say a spirit is constrained by time?
8. I like to think Grams faked her death and had someone write the death-date in front of a man she was leaving to convince him it was true. Shedding a few tears, of course. P. Bowen doesn't have a death-date because she's either still alive (7*) or the trio had no way of knowing she died to update the document.
9. I'm sure if Piper was truly needed, the Elders would have had her sent back sooner. We don't know what happened up there, but it's likely that she was able to do something to convince the Elders to allow her and Leo's relationship further down the line. The Elders may essentially be a watchtower, but no one said they were a good one. Plus it seems debates and voting took precedence over immediate action when it came to anything but themselves and their own safety. Possible the Titans masked their energy in some way. They were such a threat in the past for a reason.
10. Whitelighter Clicking was definitely useless. I have the head-canon that any talks between only Whitelighters are really them clicking translated to the audience for convenience.
I think you make some fair points - like about Piper's career options - but I'll agree to disagree on some of the others. Thank you for sharing though!
@@weirdlybeloved Which do you disagree with? I'm willing to have my mind changed for my next rewatch. Lol
@@daveinhell7476 I agree with what you said in 1, 4, and 9, but not so much the others. I'm on my phone though, so it would be a bit too much to try and text out why, haha.
@@weirdlybeloved Why do you disagree with past lives living concurrently with present lives in the show? Paige's past life likely would have been immortal had they not defeated her, which would make her existence a paradox. If her past life could discover and freely use time travel to recover her stolen prince in such an incredibly short period of time, then I'm sure never aging was on her agenda. A past life being involved in a paradox / loop of sorts with their present life would have to lean more towards reincarnation not being bound by time but by destiny, which fits perfectly with the theme of the show.
I also wanna hear your thoughts on the others, ofc.
I would also add to no. 4 that it may not have been easy to simply go back in time and change whatever event you want to change. As is established a lot of times during the show. Demons like Tempus sort of being an exception to this rule, as are the Cleaners. First, it might take a lot of power to do so - which explains why Tempus basically died after resetting time in the season 3 finale, as can also be seen by the Cleaners who are waaay more powerful than the Charmed Ones. Second it is also stated a few times that beside there is free will of some sort, nonetheless a "higher power" seems to make the overall choices aka decides what the ultimate outcome will be. This "Greater Good" thingy is what the Angels of Destiny are watching over after all. Though it might seem like a cheap explanation, probably the greater good or destiny or whatever never meant for Prue to survive, or for Paiges parents to get out of that car unharmed.
And because the Elders are also advocates of the Greater Good, they may have known a couple of times that interfering every now and then would have had major consequences. They even refused to give Piper an answer about Leo's fate, as did the Avatar she summoned at first. Though many magical creatures of the Charmedverse were never explored to the fullest, I could imagine that the Angels of Destiny are not fun to deal with should anyone act against their order aka that which they call the Greater Good.
I feel like the crystals need some explaining, too! 😂
4:55 is my favorite part of this video.
Plus Barbas is one of my favorite characters. I pretend his S2 appearance didn't happen
Haha thank you! Old MacDonald had a Barbas! 😂😂 😂
*edit to fix the comment! It was supposed to be 'MacDonald,' not 'MadDonald!' Oh, autocorrect.. 😂
Lmaaoooo I started dying when you said “why does he keep going to San Francisco” at 5:18 I said that at same time you did 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Riiiiight?! You just wanna say "Barbas, go literally ANYWHERE else!! San Francisco is clearly not your friend! You're getting Charmed all over the place!" 😂😂😂
Pertaining to the Cleaners and the Door in connection with "All Hell Breaks Loose", they were trying to write Prue out of the show. It's not going to make sense lore wise as it caused by behind the scenes drama.
Yeah, but that still doesn't mean you write in something later on that completely contradicts the plotline.
@@weirdlybeloved I won't sent that, but with all the behind the scenes drama and the entirety of season 6, the cleaners and the door make perfect Sense. Lol
@@joshuapierce3085 The door maybe, but the cleaners really don't, since it's established in the episode Crimes and Witch Demeanors that they've been watching over the Charmed Ones since they first became witches, so that means they would have existed during AHBL and should have intervened, since that's literally the point of their existence.
Even if they did want to write Shannen out, it still doesn't make sense why the writers would retroactively retcon the show three years after the fact.
@@weirdlybeloved well, like I stated, season 6 in it's entirety is a massive retconning mess. Due to the limited content that the cleaners actually cover in the series, they aren't that bad. Still a retcon mess, but not nearly as bad as the entire season 6. Lol
The cleaners were the biggest plot hole in the series along with the elders I absolutely hated them they were so lazy
13:00 piper created a potion that replicated her freezing power. Plus it scolded the flesh!
Hi! I'm working on another installment of this series, and I was wondering if you would mind if I mentioned this in the video? I'm happy to credit you!
Great video! There are a lot of things in charmed that don't make sense because the writers drop it when it's no longer interesting. I hate when that happens because those things could've been interesting, if they gave it a bit more focus. I loved the show, especially in the Doherty seasons, but I would've rather known more about some of the family's history and other details, rather than who Phoebe was going out with. I lost count of the amount of casual dates and boyfriends she's had at around season seven.
I was wondering if you would be interested in doing a video, tackling the issues with Leo's character? I've heard it discussed before, that the problematic plot-holes and throw-in facts have framed Leo as a creepy stalker who watched Piper since she was a baby, then still thought it would be okay to date her. Would love to know your take on it.
Thank you! And right?! Omg, I got so sick of Phoebe's never-ending parade of boyfriends. It was just way too much, especially in season 3 when they were affected with sin and she tried to sleep with her sister's HUSBAND just to get some action. You start to wonder if Phoebe cares about anything BUT boys.. 🙄
And I could definitely do a video on Leo! Tbh I liked him in season 1, but never really did afterwards.. I felt like he let his personal wants get in the way of being a good guardian to the sisters a lot.
And yeah, I really don't know why the writers thought it would be a good idea to establish Leo as having watched them, particularly Piper, since they were children. That's just.. SUPER alarming,v and I really wish they'd said it was the Elders who'd been watching, because that would make way more sense and be way less creepy. 🧐
@@weirdlybeloved I think that might've been the best solution there. Leo said in season one that he was assigned to watch over them when they first came into their powers: you'd think that would be at the beginning of the show in 1998. But then that flashback episode said he was watching Piper about a year before that (running into her in the street). Okay, that's a little odd but she's still an adult. Then that disturbing cannon that he's been watching her since she was a baby, and even before that if that Witchstock episode is to be believed. You'd think after season five, they'd retract on that baby-watching thing and say it was the elders, but that Witchstock episode doubled down on it by having him do the hippy stuff with grams. For one of the things they did insist of having kept in the show, I really wish Leo's baby-watching over his own wife wasn't was of them 🤢
Point 1. The club - I am someone who also loves and has passion for cooking, but like Piper said sometimes cooking doesn't pay the bills, so as an adult move it shows responsibility when Piper takes a job outside her field. I'm a new fan and really enjoy watching these videos.
True! Honestly, Piper kind of got the short end of the stick throughout the entire show. I mean.. she worked at a bank job she didn't like, then was forced into a manager position at Quake, then opened a club to try and pay the bills..
Meanwhile Prue got to pursue her dream of being a photographer in season 2, and Phoebe didn't get a job (at least a steady one) until halfway through season 4, where she went on to be a local celebrity.. but Piper had to wait until the series ended to chase her own dreams. It's sad that she had to wait so long.. 😢
And thank you so much! 😊
I know this is a weak point but in the "season nine" comic the charmed ones were in the after life where the souls like their mom and grams take residents. When the problem at hand was dealt with the girls say they wanted to see/meet Prue before leaving and either Grams or Patty says that Prue decided to be reincarnated ( as in it the spirit that decides when they're reborn) granted that was a miss direct but what if it's half lie half truth. (Prue wanted to help her sister with this evil that's trying to take them out and possess a witch's body who soul was forced into hell.) What if the soul does get the choice on when to be reborn and the Elders probably took evilpast Pheobe and forced her into be reborn. Weakly explaining the different games in time
Thank you for letting me know! I don't really follow comic continuations, but it would be really interesting if the Elders actually forced a (formerly) evil spirit to be reborn! Makes you wonder whose side they're really on, though.. 🤔
Honestly I only liked the blonde female Elder she was the only one who took the Charmed one success into account and tried to be kind about situation that was out of her hands. But the other Elders seemed salty ever since Leo and Piper got married (in my opinion) yea they always gave them a hard time but seemed more stubborn after the fact. Like when Leo was gonna be judged for killing that one Elder on the bridge by wiping his memory and the grumpy elder kept trying to get Leo to choose the whiteligher life with the memory of Piper even tho his heart was pulling him to his wife and son. Even pressured Leo to choose when Paige and Phoebe was on their heel. Since we know the Elders are just souls of people on Earth who cycle out over time I believe the Elders are just flawed people who pouts every time they get proven wrong and all but one keeps digging their heels into the ground