Why do Land Rover transmission units fail? - ask the expert
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มิ.ย. 2013
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With a vast experience of dealing with gearbox failures, Dave Ashcroft of Ashcroft Transmissions shares with us some of the most common reasons why Land Rover transmission units fail. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Well I am glad I watched this video. I went across a really slippery and waterlogged field the other day and I didn’t even think to use the diff-lock. Everyday is a school day!
0:37 we don't neglect it... You guys made it hard by not adding a transmission dipstick o.O
if it’s not leaking out there’s no oil in it
Bloody ace 3min video!! loads of useful info. Great work again TF!!
From looking at the driving we do at Club86, or as someone put it "driving like a twat", you'd expect my 90's LT77 to be a mangled mess. Never considered locking the centre diff at anything above crawling speed. Excellent video, Thanks! Club86 ~ Fred
Great advice David! Didn't know that about the LT230
Well, everyone yelled at me for locking my center diff on minor obstacles, I sure glad I did It now!
Dane H What is unlocking the center I have a discovery to just got it and I don’t understand
Dane H, if you push your transfercase shifter to the left it will lock in cdl. All wheels will spin regardless of slip. Huge difference in traction :)
@@briansanford4594 not all wheels will spin equally, but both axles. If you lose traction on one wheel from each axle, you're stuck. It only locks the center diff.
Guilherme Mauricio That is correct they will not spin equally. But will still help a considerable amount!
@@mvilla36 Whilst on road, your centre diff should be unlocked. If you go off road or in snow move the little gear stick to the left it will lock the centre diff, this will send 50% of the power to the front and 50% to the rear regardless of wheels slipping.
It will give you so much more traction.
Don't forget to unlock it when returning to hard roads. Failure to do so creates something called transmission wind up which is another subject.
Great video and explanation! Very simple and concise, but at the same time much enriching. It make me give some thought about my driving habits, and on the maintenance of my discovery 200 Tdi. Thanks a lot!
Your very welcome. It was good to pin down an expert an share the time getting questions answertede. Hopefully we will get more next year...
Thank you for this! More videos of tips and caring for your land please.
Been driving land rovers for nearly 25 years and have never blown a gearbox.
My fathers been driving them for over 30 years and also never had a gearbox fail but that's probably because we drive them like land rovers and not racing cars!
We bought a NEW Disco 4 and the transmission failed within 5km from the showroom floor. 5km! We were driving our brand new car with care in slow peak hour traffic so please don't assume driver error. If you haven't had one fail, put it down to sheer luck. These cars are rubbish.
Shelty B proof?
Get a td42t gu patrol and never look back
These BRITISH SUV`s are far from rubbish, they have the best 4x4 drive train going, bad luck ya bought a LEMON haha
Not the best 4x4, but far from worst. It is probably one of the best on ice.
So what if you can't lock the center difflock?
i have a D2 1999 & 2000 which has the difflock spigot shaft but no lever to engage it?
Will the TC always cut in and prevent any damage?
I hope to at some point install difflock leverage as TC is good for road driving (slippery leaves etc) But hopeless off road even with the right tyres and low tyre pressures.
And makes a lot of mess due to ABS brakes the spinning wheel to late, their for smooths off the surface.
Some very good points! Thanks
That cleared up some points thankyou.
Great piece of advice !
Good information, thanks! Just entered the LR world with the acquisition of a '62 109 (Nigel). Vids like this ensure it will be a long relationship
109 series .. have different gearboxes.. which leak profusely... so keep an eye on the levels :) and go for slow /smooth shifting of gears (avoid the quick "fast and Furious" type of shifting)
I had 1971 series 2a diesel when the layshaft blew what a mess and bloody expensive oil was regularly checked after that and here we are 2017 landy still going
Excellent advice look after your Land Rover gearbox and in return it will give you years of problem free driving.
very true. LRs are high maintenance vehicles.
My experience is that with good maintenance they are very reliable. Too many owners do shoddy maintenance, fit shonky Chinese parts and then blame LR when it breaks down.
Just as the guy says, lack of maintenance. "Filled for life" means filled until the warranty runs out
Its like he's on crime stoppers
He is mate!!
The way most people treat their 4x4's is a crime.
Spline Stoppers....?
About to do a transmission service on my 2003 range Rover hse. how many quarts of transmission fluid do I need and what's the best brand at a cheap price?
Great vid.
I have 2005 ZF transmission...its completely sealed ! So how can I service it or should I ??? I havent had any issues and I want to avoid any.....
Thanks for info Mike I wouldn't mind tackling it myself think it could be done for 150 for bits ,I like working on my td4 it's a love hate relationship I like the satisfaction of saving money I'm a Yorkshireman lol .
And this is why I drive a series 2A.
So on d1 and d2 where there is no engagement lever for the diff lock but it's still there how do you off-road?
Hi range rover l322 td6 and BMW x5 the use same MG gearbox ?
Hi, can I mount FTC5089 on a LT230 transfer box suffix G instead of FTC4962?
I've never known a centre diff to blow in over ten years of land rover ownership and 24 years as a mechanic. If the front output shaft spinning is enough to cause centre diff failure then personally I'd say the wear was already there contributing to the fail rather than it spinning due to the diff lock not being engaged. This probably from lack of maintenance on the owners behalf not checking levels etc.
No, if the centre diff is unlocked, and one wheel spins due to poor traction, then the centre diff planetary gears will be spinning at far higher speeds than they were designed for. They won't be able to do that for long before they seize onto their stub shafts. Its not the front (or rear) output shaft spinning that is the problem, it's that the other shaft is NOT spinning, so the differential speed is massively high. That's what cooks the CD gears.
Ooops, just seen this is a 4 year old comment!
I thought it was nonsense too. Because some disco's are not even fitted with a centre diff lock
Yes, indeed
Hey! Love the Vid man! so what the guy means is if lets say for instance I go to the beach I should not just drive in loose sand in 4 hi or 4 lo, but hi or lo with the Diff locked correct? Im about a year with my 98' Discovery I love it. havnt taken her offroad yet. Thank god I saw this Video first.
Yep that is what Dave Ashcroft is saying.. knowledge is power .
Hi my land rover freelander gearbox does not enter 3 it shows f4 on the dusk board. But enter other. What causes that?
Curious as to what discovery 2 owners with no centre diff lock available should do, if what Dave said is true?
Obviously he knows everything there is to know about the Land Rover drivetrain but surely Land Rover wouldn't have removed the difflock if it could cause a centre diff to fail in 5-10 seconds? I think it is more likely that a wheel suddenly finding traction after spinning quickly would be the cause of the issue.
+TimeIV D2 only gives you the Diff locked when it is needed rather than banging it in when the driver wants it.
great vid, i got a rebuilt r380 from ashcroft about a year ago for my disco 1 94', but i haven't changed my lt230 transfer box, how could i figure if i have damaged the center diff without having to open it up? should i lift the car on the chassis and check the wheels while on diff lock and off?
Nicholas Connolly-Rangos You'll very quickly know if you've stuffed your centre diff ... You won't be driving on a hard surface (tarmac/concrete) for very long at all.
I have a 1972 Land Rover with fairy overdrive and a 1980 both series 3s never had a transmission problem there drivin all year round
+Farmer2492 Some people get all the luck. Mind you I always go looking for trouble with motors.
great videos
thanks!
Question if you don't mind. I have a 2012 RR Sport, and out of nowhere the other day, the vehicle starting shifting very strangely, usually at a high RPM, and sometimes with significantly delay between gears. However, if I switch to "manual" shifting mode, the shifts seem ok. Any thoughts? We have always had our normal maintenance done at the dealer to the maintenance schedule, 88000 km on the vehicle.
My first reaction would be to have a look tom see what they transmission ECU is telling you.
I have 2006 Range Rover sport.. I was noticing about a week ago my steering wheel was very hard to turn I didn't think anything of it and sometimes it would seem when I was driving my car it would like cake when I stopped and tried to go get it with the kick a little bit and then go I was on the freeway and I was driving and all the sudden I couldn't push my gas pedal anymore in my car stopped and it said transmission failed... Or something like that popped up...... What could be wrong with my car??
+07MariahBaby I wish it could that easy to diagnose problems like that without actually looking at the car but I can't. Steering could be something simple as a flat tyre, Warning lamps that are a bit vague in description no use to anyone however the vehicle can be interrogated with a code reader to see what it is complaining about.
Hi,do these issues apply to the LR4 as well, I'm under the impression everything was redesigned and improved on the 2010-2016 model.
Very very very different hardware.
By sensitive do you mean the differential?
do the Freelander get the same type of problem and do the engine fell from overheating for 2001 - 2003 Freelander ?
totally different gearbox set up. Viscous coupling on the prop's haft is the worst issue. Overheating? Any vehicle can over heat if it is not maintained properly. The earlier petrol 1.8 freelancers used to have had gasket issues.
Hi chris what if you dont have cld only tc
Hehehe I am the Dan! We should team up, you do the filming, I'll ask loads of awkward questions!
It seems to be an interesting video. But my english lacks of mechanical words. Anyone can write the answers of ashcroft ?
also I forgot to ask is 75w 90 full synthetic gear oil ok to use in the transfer box also front and rear diffs on 99 discovery 2, 4.0l gas? thanks
go with what the manual recommends. Full synthetic is used on later diffs of course but the SAE very much depends on the region of the world you are in.
My D1 R380 just jammed in reverse, then i managed to wiggle the stick and get it out. Then it refused to go into 5th. Then when i got home it slipped into reverse again, so i backed it onto the drive. Then it jammed in reverse again. A week later i'd managed to wiggle it into neutral. Now it's in the back garden 'jammed' between 5th and reverse.
Time for a new box me thought.
Bought a D2 instead :)
The same type of gearbox in both vehicles. Mind you, I bet the power is much better in the D2?
No need for a new gearbox, just check the 5th/reverse fork.
I have a 2010 Range Rover HSE (full size). I was driving down the road at 65 mph, when I felt a loss of power to all the wheels. Initially I thought the engine died, but once I pulled over I realized the transmission was making a grinding sound. I placed the vehicle in park and could hear a grinding sound in the transmission. I towed the vehicle into the dealer and was told that the transmission and gear box both needed to be replaced as the spline has sheared its teeth.
This is my 3rd full size Rover (2004, 2006 and 2010) and I never had any problems with any of them. Now this. I don't tow anything or drive off road. I simply drive from home to work, 90 miles a day round trip.
IS there anything I should ask the dealer? Is there any type of recall or suggested repairs. Im being quoted $11,000.00 to make the necessary repairs. The vehicle is probably worth $22,000.00.
Any thoughts, suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Ed
Not worth fixing sorry.
5-10 seconds the bang, nice one range rover, what a great way to get people coming back for service, I mean you could just eliminate the problem but that makes too much sense
my Range Rover has 31 years old and it works better than a brand new jeep hahahaha
I ve heard about jeep wranglers that get engines blown in 26 degrees temperature
Built in weakness.
I have 3 4x4:s : Old Chevy Blazer -79, a -94 Jeep Grand Cherokee and 2007 Hummer H3. The Blazer with it's front Auburn diff is naturally the best off road.Practically as good is the H3. The Jeep is not as good, but good enough. Now, I know the Jeeps are of bad quality, but trolling is childish. If you guys are honest, even Lada Niva is an example of reliability when compared to Land Rovers and Range Rovers. I have towed several during Finnish Safaris, so I would never ever buy one. I'm sorry, but you guys just have to admit that they are so bad that Aussies will not use them; they need to get back from the Outback. Sorry to be impolite, but you can not go on pretending that LR:s and RR:s are quality products.And that 5-10 seconds stuff is a good reason to not believe anything else of the video. Just one more reason not to trust those cars if one needs to make up things to cover a bad design.
@@timokuusela5794 Landies were what opened the roads through outback Australia that Toyotas now drive on. Research a bloke by the name of Len Beadell, Much of outback Australia was surveyed and explored by him in a shorty series 1. Another pair, the Leyland Brothers years of traveling and filming the outback from a 109 Series 1. Then there's Les Hiddens, another serious outback Landy driver in a series 2A, there are dozens more
You just gotta love Land Rover. I don't think you will find the same kinds of videos for Land Cruisers etc
Land Cuisers of similar age around the 80's had problems with oiling and using 5th gear in anything other than light vehicle cruising would end up with damaged output shaft from memory I think they were eating splines due to poor oiling.
my 300tdi disco has a little crunch when 4th is selected asoon as clutch is relesed been like this over 2 year only does it when cold nether got any worse
i am thinking of getting a LR3 do they suffer with the same gearbox problems?
+M. O.G. Not at all. You will need to know that it is not a simple drain and refill gearbox. The oil needs to be flushed and replaced with a machine when it is due. Not a bad vehicle to own overall but i'd advise you check out the problems they suffer from. Not to put you off but all vehicles have their own particular quirks to be aware of..
so basically if u change the oils in the gearbox/engine etc it wont be as problematic as myths make it out to be? specially on the 2002-2005 bmw x5 powered engine ones?
I have a question also, when i run my range rover when its cold it seems to run great but then when i drive it all day it starts to get Hot and doesnt want to switch the gears, and says its over Heating,what could be the problem? What is causeing it ?Do you know ? Thanks
Nena Lomeli what model of range rover and are you talking about it having an autobox?
So you have to lock the center diff. That's clever, because my 2002 discovery was delivered without any center diff lock at all!
But the D2 has something else so you'd want your traction control on when tackling off road.
Only 2004 was equipped with cdl
Hi there very informative videos but can you do a vid on replacing clutch on a freelancer td4 diesel at some point please I've heard it's silly money and would like to do my own cheers ant .
Doubt it. Sorry to disappoint. This free service means you only get what is presented to you.
Simple answer-Diamond Dave or not. The answer is first class Juan Kerr at the wheel. Number 1 cause of any problem in the WORLD!!! A human being!
So, off-road allways lock the center diff?
what I should lock?
is that centre diff problem only on newer derenders or 200tdi's as well?
any with a lt230 transfer box
If one had front and rear lockers both switched on would this negate the need to engage the diff lock?
It would not negate the need because you could still cause the axles to spin at dangerously different speeds. But it is a strange thought because you should have the centre diff engaged long before you need even just one of the extra lockers.
My discovery 2 doesn't have a locking diff
What British machine doesn't leak oil?
Do they make telephones?
+GhettoMist I believe they do.
***** Those probably don't leak.
+R C Nelson one that is out of oil.
If there's no oil undthieves there's no oil in it LOL
Hei service man :D
Could you axplain me: if you know how people driving, why dont you make an adjustments; upgrades; updates on the car to avoid it from happen?
Like some other:
Sett sensor on oil filter and check engine light always rechecking on start motor if it was reseted by ODB.
Flout sennsor to oil, dat it should go all out. Tricky sensor for the belt and electronic accelerator to not to go JUMP START DRIVE.
All senssors rescaning on engine start, so if reset CHECK ENGINE it will come again up on next start.
I have a 2003 Land Rover Discovery and I wondering if a can switch my HI & LOW transfer case for a HI & LOW with locks transfer case and what is the difference between 2 transfer cases. thank you
just add a mechanism on top of the box to allow you to manually change the gears / diff lock. Not much else.
how can I know if is equipped with locks.
David Martinez they all have locks.
@@trailerfitter2 2002 and 2003 most often do not, but you can retrofit the locking parts. Source: reading around, and my 2003 had to have this added.
my rover just shut down for no apparent reason sat for 20 min and started again. ran for 1/2 hour and shut down again still doing it?
Were you just saying this or do you need some advice? If you were just saying' it. sorry to hear. If you need some pointers then a model, year, engine type and fuel type would be helpful.
Wouldn't it be just easier to make the transfer box Bulletproof?
Don't you mean "driver proof"?
Hi i have a landrover defender 1995 long wheel base was wondering i Can only get 4 wheel drive nothing else it's 300 tdi any ideas
After 1983 they are permanent 4 wheel drive anyway......
@@trailerfitter2 it will only go with the diff locks in gauge
I'm getting code p0760 on my range Rover hse. what do you recommend
P0760 Possible Causes
Low transmission fluid level
Dirty transmission fluid
Faulty shift solenoid 'C' valve
Shift solenoid 'C' valve harness or connectors
Shift solenoid 'C' valve circuit is open or shorted
The P0760 code is detected when the TCM detects an improper voltage drop when it tries to operate the solenoid valve.
It could be either a wiring issue of the solenoid. Get wiring diagram, find component and related wires. Check the wiring and go from there.
www.engine-codes.com/p0760.html
so why did they remove the cdl linkage on some disco 2's.
So the electronic traction control could take over.
They thought it was redundant, them removed the system altogether to save money... Then brought back
good to know but why is that TOYOTA, Mitsubishi or Hyundai gear boxes do not fail for the so called DRIVER ERROR?
+Shabir Zainudeen made for idiots perhaps?
+Land Rover Toolbox Videos You have the type of attitude that leads to shit design. The driver puts their foot down a little bit and it breaks the transmission. The car should prevent that from happening. But the mechanic in the video calls it "driver error". Good example of shit British engineering.
Well thank you for your comment. There are drivers then there are people who need aids to help them drive.
Britain has always been a part of innovation and design. Criticism of such just displays great ignorance.
still toyota & nissan don't fail , to bad they cost a lot more second hand than LR .
But when they do,.........
2005 Land Rover changed transmission fluid 200000 miles no lights but the transmission jumps when taking off with out coming to complete stop any one know what’s going on
Oops! Transmission is fcked inside 💀😭
Exatly! The central diff must be locked only on hard offroad!
Land rover with an oil leak NEVER I refuse to belive it 😂
I never understand why people don’t regularly change transmission oils because they’re easier to do than the engine.
I change all my oils every year and noticed the difference [hilux] and some people thought I was nuts throwing money away .................
taking up all the wear in the transmission drive train.
Just buy a Toyota land cruiser 80 series .. you will never go back ,I had land rovers for 20 years got fed up of them leaking oil everywhere, gutless wonder engines , crap heaters , and you get wet when it rains . Trust me 80 series cruiser is better in every possible way .
I feel like I need to explain my self . I really was the landy geek that knows the part numbers of all the bits . And have stuck up for them for many years ! But tbh I seen the light and seen that land rover are not interested in the working class guy and haven't been in many years now. Well take it from me Toyota nailed this many years ago .. I would never go back to land rover they sold them selves out years ago and are just junk now a days and any true landy person would say the same .
I'm actually thinking about getting an 80 4.2td next rather than another 110 , only thing that worrys me is getting parts in the UK and parts are expensive aswell.
@@mudpanther6079 parts are a little more expensive, but they rarely go wrong. Its was the best thing iv done . The heater is amazing, its comfortable, would pull a house down . I cant fault it one bit . And no more welding ! What's not to like
Don’t spin the wheels (too much)!
Built on a budget porley made from new
You could say that with anything. Driving skills are being lost to driver comfort. Before ABS we had cadence braking and doubling the clutch. Who does all of that now?
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I've heard of engine and gearbox issues with Landrover. If true, why don't Landrover bother to overcome these issues? Anyway this vid did nothing for me accept turn me off owning one.
Land Rover did nothing about them because the percentage of failures was very small.
So the minute you go off road ,LOCK the Centre Diff ,OR ELSE !!!!!!!!!!
Now im leaning to Land cruisers , patrols and jeeps
Why? Defenders and Land rover Discovery 4 s dead, the spirit of camel trophy is gone replaced by technology and luxury, thats my opinion
It's your life and your choice. I don't think anyone is going to burn you at the stake for what you want.
Yo
Because its a Land Rover what doesn't fail on a Land Rover..
The latest Landrovers are not very trustworthy .
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Yikes
should have bought a Toyota...
+diesel92kj1 Comment removed.
dicked ive towed lots of those cheap rice burners
Toyota is faaar better than this crap.
Lol no way you prob base ya view on the older landys
Absolute rubbish - it's already proven that since about 2014 land rover have sent vehicles out with high risk of crash due to faulty gearboxes that can shift from drive to neutral unexpectedly and the software update could not fix it so, they decided to blame the customers drving style.
landrover discovery 2 d-mode jerks and starts blinking
basically from that advice stay well clear and buy Japanese.
No,... it means don't drive like a twat.
But Toyota is actually better, though
You need deep pockets to own a Land Rover but all said and done it is the best off road vehicle you are better of buying a Toyota but there not as good extreme off roading you know what The Aussie says if your going into the bush take a Land Rover if you want to come back choose a land cruiser
All the Aussie pioneers are proofing you wrong. 😉 Land Cruisers came much later in fashion.
Land rovers always have spline wear..junk
every vehicle has its Achilles heal.
Yeah, that's why they outlive 99% of cars by about 30 years....
Its always over in a rover...
I love how he describes that if you anticipate wheel spin lock the dif or you could destroy it! I've got a better idea. How about you don't buy one of these horrible pieces of shit.
I'm about to drive my l322 out into the street and light it on fire. My g wagon has 80,000 miles on it and so far the only failure I had was a tail light... And it has a secondary backup so I actually wasn't ever driving without a failed tail light. The rover had a blown head gasket, failed differential, blown out air shocks, overheating transmission, failed alternator. The turd was designed by engineering flunkies. I've never had a bigger piece of junk in my life. You'd be better off buying a 40 year old yugo. It'll be more reliable and probably get better gas mileage.