The 2023 Subaru Solterra Is an Electric Crossover for Adventures
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2023 Subaru Solterra review! The Subaru Solterra is a new electric crossover with a focus on adventure. Today I'm reviewing the Subaru Solterra, and I'll show you all the quirks and features of the Solterra. I'm also going to get drive the 2023 Solterra and I'll review the Solterra's driving experience.
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Dear legacy automakers... there is no law that prevents EVs from looking like normal vehicles. No, really.
Amen, it’s so strange every EV has to have some crazy design aesthetic rather than a regular design.
The Positive: My Pacifica Plug In looks like a regular Minivan. Negative: My Pacifica Plug In looks like a regular Minivan. Also positive, I don't give a crap what people think about my choice in transportation.
@Eman Tabrizi : Thanks a million for just putting simple words on what I feel every single time I (hurtingly) lay my eyes on an EV...
They all look like they were actually made to be flying saucers.. but at the end of the day, they ended up with four wheels and labeled as "cars".
Exception would be cited for Tesla (Model S), but it's a Jaguar platform anyway, so it's self-explained...
I might be wrong but I think it has to do something with having the best aerodynamic possible in order to maximize electric range.
@@Dryloch hey man, those Pacificas are freakin NICE. honestly, id get one and I dont even have a family lmao.
Every Japanese automaker must have got a deal on black cladding because every new car from them has it.
@Paul S Yet it looks horrific and is perceived as cheap. They do do it for that reason though, cheaper to make (most importantly for them) and cheaper to replace.
I think it’s just suburu mostly
@Paul S Good point. Although "cheaper" comes with "cheap" and seriously? This just looks like a piece of crap.
Unacceptable from Subaru IMO.
But let's not worry a lot about it, people will buy it in large amounts.
After all, it's electric, right?
So it's gonna save the planet 👍
@Paul S Paul, please allow me to say that the only "off road" that car will see is at most a... say curb?
In ten years that black cladding will be light grey like every Honda Element or Chevy Avalanche out there. But who cares, by that time it will need a new battery that costs more than the vehicle is worth.
We all know about Doug’s strange infatuation with a good wiper/signal stalk. The fact that he can easily identify which company produces them just takes the term “car nerd” to another dimension. Impressive.
As someone who owns both a Subaru and a Toyota, there’s no way this thing is 3 cool points higher than a RAV4 Prime on the ol’ Doug score. No way.
The RAV4 Prime isn't very difficult to eclipse in that category
Completely agree.
Nonsense...
Maybe Doug was under... influence ?
4pts! It even looks like a Rav4
Subaru forester sold more than 3/4 more than rav 4s.
There is a real cool factor around everything electric, and it is not quite there with plug-in hybrids like the RAV4 Prime.
Prediction: Doug will have his own very own car show one day on the Discovery Channel.
I would be really into it
I hope not to be honest.
Dont know about that, there is no point to move to TV from his standpoint
@@headshotmaster138 Agree, the discovery formula is awful. Bad editing, loud music over the speaking, and fake drama. They ruined motortrend
@@VacFink Not only that but Doug works better as a TH-camr. If he goes on a streaming platform, he'll be like anyone else and can be easily controlled by the company.
In the 1980's, Porsche solved the steering wheel adjustment issue with the top of it obscuring the gauge cluster of the 928 by simply integrating the gauge binnacle unit WITH the top shroud of the steering column - as you adjusted the steering wheel position to suit your seating preference, the gauges moved with it & remained perfectly positioned & visible through the spokes & rim of the steering wheel.
Same in the 350Z. Good idea.
The Volkswagen ID.4 does this
I think the Subaru XT did that.
@@joshua.harazin no it doesnt
Mini Coopers do that
The range and charging are the two factors keeping me from buying the Solterra as my next car. I feel that they're going to eventually offer an extended range version, so I'll wait for that.
They will, once people who actually purchase this vehicle start complaining, they will upgrade it
I suggest you look at the charging curve rather than the peak speed, if it doesn't work for you I'm sure you'll find another that does, also from what I heard the lexus version should have more range with more power
Do you know if there’s been an update like we hoped?
Just gonna put this out there. That whole closing door idea for the wireless phone charger is interesting but kind of a bad idea. Your phone gets really hot while wireless charging and leaving it in an enclosed space seems like a bad idea. Especially if the sun can get in and cook it.
Seems to me that smaller rims, more tire, would go a long ways towards making this car more off road capable...
Or maybe a real engine and some ground clearance would help lol
It's like a G-Wagen on 22s and low-profile tires. Defeats the purpose.
Wheels. Not rims
This is a Toyota with Subaru badges, TheTropher just did a video on a EV Toyota just different badges.
I was wondering why people like crossover tbh, is just a jacked up station wagon with ugly plastic fender
All manufacturers seem to think you have to make an electric car weird. Just make a normal car that is electrically powered.
People that like electric cars are heavily status-conscious. Not only do they need everyone to know they're driving an EV, they need to be reminded of it every time they get in. It's just like when hybrids started getting big. Fewer people bought the hybrids that looked like regular cars-they wanted the Prius with the distinctive "hybrid look".
thats the one thing that puts me off from these cars. i hate the lack of volume knobs and controls that aren’t touch or inside of a screen.
@@channell11 I rented a Ford Fusion hybrid for a month. Every time I turned it off, it would say on the screen “thank you for driving a hybrid”
Manufacturers do not seem to understand the concept of "normal design" with EVs...
Is that a curse? No. Customers are still lining up to buy them 😂
@Paul S model 3 does NOT look normal
Run away from 2023 Subaru Solterra! I’m experiencing serious issues with 2023 Subaru Solterra electric vehicle. This EV is performing poorly and charging slowly. Cold weather causes about 50% 2023 Subaru Solterra reduction in range. Driving 2023 Subaru Solterra on snow can be dangerous. This vehicle is designed for the Japanese market. 2023 Subaru Solterra is not equipped to handle Michigan winter driving conditions. I was treated unfairly and dishonestly by LaFontaine Subaru dealer.
The problem is it's a Toyota, and Subaru dealerships don't want to have to work on them, but they do because it has a Subaru badge stuck on it.
Great video as usual Doug. Would love to see a video on the Toyota Corolla cross if it’s out yet (I don’t even know lol) me and my girlfriend are thinking about getting one and I know a lot of viewers like to see videos about common every day cars every once in a while. Thank you 😊
Subaru thought that Toyota will make a glove box, and Toyota thought that Subaru will do it. So nobody made it.
Engineers are all idiots these days....they have an associates or bachelor's degree at best.
That would explain a lot
Maybe the Lexus version will have one..
@@jarrodpalmer Keep on dreaming.
@@kubagornowicz 😂
This is the first EV Doug has reviewed that I thought I would like and ended up not liking. I tend to like Subaru, but the range and slow charging seems like a deal breaker for an "adventure" vehicle.
Yeah tbh Subaru and toyota messed up
Some things that seem minor at first glance would get really annoying as an owner too. I hate volume buttons rather than a knob. The missing glove box is another weird one.
I also thought I would like this, but the video shows it's not for me.
You can’t be any more right
I could honestly live with 220miles in a daily driver, I think the largest issue would be attempting to use this as a member of it's target demographic. While chargers are being installed in state parks around here they often aren't near the interesting trails or sights you'd want to see. Sometimes they aren't near the campgrounds either. So with only 220 miles of range, once you factor in carrying you, your friends/family and your gear... Potentially using roof mounted cargo solutions for gear/bikes/kayaks wich would further reduce range and any inevitable rough road driving cutting into that range it starts to become a huge con. It's a shame because I generally like Subarus, my wife's Forester was a perfect weeklong camping trip vehicle for us when she had it, had great milage and enough capability that some of the less maintained "roads" deeper in the mountains where not a problem. So hopefully they take this criticism and improve on the design because I want to like it.
Exactly. Especially going into the woods, how tf do you find a ev charger?! With that kind of range, I won’t even able to get off that trail and find a charger. For EV off-roading, the car at least have 350+ miles range then we can start talking. For regular gas-powered car, we can just bring couple gas jars and it will be good. For EV, you can’t bring a charging station with you
I was a Subaru service writer for 5 years, I literally quit because of the customers either not knowing anything about the car (thank you subaru sales guys for us having to re-educate after a 100 miles of people owning their cars because you don't talk about anything that has to do with the car), or because people refused to adapt to new tech and it was so frustrating. If you've ever been a subaru service advisor for any amount of time you know exactly what I'm talking about. Subaru owners are just a unique type of people, special people. Watching this and seeing all the new stuff, man my thoughts and prayers go out to all those future Subaru service writers. Glad I got out when I did.
I wouldn’t sweat it. Your typical subaru buyer is gonna take one look at this thing and go, “oh hell no.”
They didn’t even include a shifter ffs. First thing you do on a test drive and you already hate it. Brilliant.
They’ll sell these, but it won’t be to existing customers.
A lot of campgrounds have plug-ins for RVs already, so range for camping is potentially a minor issue, especially if sites start upgrading with EVs in mind. Charge at the car camping site, and then take it deeper to a trailhead seems perfectly reasonable.
This and the Toyota bZ4X don't just share a few parts on the interior.
They have almost completely identical interiors.
And the exterior clearly looks the same. People love to make fun of rebadged cars but I didn’t see people hating on the BRZ and the 86 because they are literally rebadged sports cars, but I saw a lot of stupid jdm fans making fun of the MK5 Supra for being a rebadged BMW Z4. Yes they do use the same engine and transmission and everything else, but they look very different. The Supra is a coupe, and the Z4 is a convertible. The Subaru and the Toyota are clearly rebadged cars
They’ve been developed on the same platform and are basically the same car. Nothing secret about this, except Subaru tries to pretend it isn’t. At least if you put an ID.4, Enyaq, and Q4 next to each other they don’t look utterly rebadged. Yet again, these are the same vehicles underneath.
I've never seen this car until now, my first impression was "It looks like a Toyota", now I know
I feel lik Toyota should’ve taken another year to at-least make it look different..make it look unique to the Toyota brand
@@caspalaflare8838 This thing is more Toyota than Subaru, inside and out. It is Subaru that should’ve taken more time/effort to differentiate themselves from the bZ4X.
The DC Fast charging limit of 100 kWh just seems like a show stopper to me, and would put this below either the ID4 or the RAV4 Prime in terms of practicality. No road trips in this one. So, its a city car that's primed for adventure? No way.
Eh, most Subarus these days are city cars primed for adventure
Exactly, It's there first attempt, I get it, but it's 5 years behind in EV tech.
Off-road and EVs don't really go together. No one is going to take the new Hummer overlanding. How do you carry extra charge?
@@heyaisdabomb Sure, but if they price it at 35k, they'll sell out.
I’d take a RAV4 prime because at least it’s a plug in hybrid. Gas engine on the highway and roads, electric on the traffic or city
I appreciate your thorough reviews. It helps tremendously. Mahalo Nui Loa and Aloha 🤙
15:51 Don't know if Doug has ever been in the back of a Honda CRV but it has huge space in the back seat area. Tons of leg room and a lot of head room as well. My wife and I are passengers very often in the back seat of our friend's CRV and we are astounded that is more comfortable and roomy by far than our own Ford Explorer.
I own a CR-V, and I do t know what sort of sorcery was summoned to make that happen. It feels like the space inside it somehow breaks the laws of physics.
"If you press that (the Hold A/C button) you gonna get the Air Conditioning system to turn on before you get inside the car, which is nice to feel in a hot climate, you gonna get the A/C to cool down your interior before you climb inside... *Kinda Cool* "
Yes, Doug, I really hope so lol
*Badumtss*
Will they have a Hold Heat button for colder climates? I’d like both for Canada
Doug you should create a new doug score metric exclusively for fully electric cars, that includes a "range" score, in order to compare electric cars in a more comprehensive way.
Totally agree.
This has been mentioned a lot of times already.
Mixing up ICE and EV... is quite a questionable thing.
Doug, please hear us out!
Thank you.
Not very practical. Range is something that is going to get better over the years in the car industry. So a "10" today could be a "5" in some years, and going back to change the score on every electric car doesn't sound very practical.
I love your videos and review! Very thorough. Keep them coming!
“Ah it’s an electric car so we must make it weird” basically every car company
The gloss black on the center console is a nightmare between the fingerprints and the glare from the sun.
Saw that and thought oh…the Toyota bz4x, but then didn’t realize Subaru did another partnership with Toyota.
Either way, they are both junk
@@randomperson-bi1xlI disagree. I’ve been to many places where this would perfectly fit the bill: short trips in small cities and towns whose roads get snow and/or outskirts are dirt roads where AWD and electric synergize. Granted, the charging could be better but not everyone lives in one metropolis with a destination of another one.
I’m in one of the largest cities and just need a mid-range commuter that won’t vaporize wealth (gas). If I happen upon some mud, great. It’s a cool car and nothing else out there hits the value proposition.
Electric Crossover for Adventures? More like moms adventuring supermarket aisles and Starbucks drive-throughs.
Thanks for sponsoring part of the video Discovery+! That car show looks awful and I appreciate Doug’s channel and style even more now!
Doug, why did you eliminate the daily/weekend score breakdowns? I can't speak for everyone but that was one of the best sections of your video presentation. Please bring it back.
Given that he's reviewing boring EV Crossovers now, does it really matter?
I think he received a lot of complaints, both on its presence as well his particular ratings (a lot of nit picking on whether “Features” should’ve been a six or a seven.)
Additionally, it cuts 90 to 120 seconds from the video, which allows him to do more actual content.
@@evanmorris6508 More comments = more interactions = more ad revenue
Part of the reason is that he doesn’t need to justify specific ratings now that he has such a deep catalog. He can make comparisons based on what he has already reviewed and just rate it. I agree though, it should come back.
Just PAUSE THE VIDEO when Doug show the score. It still shows the points on each separate category.
Or follow the Doug Score link in the description of each video to his updated spreadsheet.
My 2005 outback XT has heated wipers, ~250 horsepower, and roughly 250 miles of range, too. However, it guzzles premium at under 17 MPG...
Holy shit... My 3/4 ton Chevy truck gets up to 15 MPG and is almost twice as heavy with a 6 liter V8 engine propelling it around
I used to have an acura tl, 250 hp 3.2 v6 weight weound 3600 lbs and got 20 in the city. That thing must’ve weight over 4500 lbs
You also don't have to worry about a $800 car payment for the next 6-7 years :)
@@Elmamaguebo16 nah, just an old subaru lol .
You may want to give the running gear of your car a good going over, wheel bearings are a real issue on Outbacks of that era. My 2017 STI with essentially the same engine as the Outback XT gets just under 10L/100km on the highway lightly loaded, about 12L/100km highway with 3 passengers, a fully loaded trunk, roof carrier and roof and hitch mount bike racks (with 3 bikes) installed and about 11L/100km around town. Should be noted I'm not hypermileing or anything, quite the opposite if you ask my wife. I'd have to be driving like an absolute asshat to to hit the 14L/100km you are claiming.
Powerful acceleration is hard on the battery, fast charging is hard on the battery. The Doug score is missing one key criteria; reliability!
220mi range is a dealbreaker, because that means it’ll have a real world range of under 200mi. If it had faster charging than competitors, maybe justifiable…but with significantly slower charging, it’s basically a grocery getter
One of the quirks that the bZ4x has that Doug didn't mention is that the glove box has been replaced by infrared leg warmers and the working for the heat pump. There is storage underneath the centre console. The 0 to 62 time is 6.5 seconds. There are plenty of reviews by other motor journalist on You Tube, on the BZ4X as it is the same vehicle.
That doesn't explain how Tesla has a heat pump, glovebox, generous central console storage space, more powerful motors, faster charging, faster performance (which requires bigger radiators under the hood), slightly bigger battery, WAY more boot space, and on top of that - space for a frunk. Where did you waste all that space, Toyobaru?
@@gvaley Tesla are on a different price point. Toyota build quality is far better than Tesla. Also Toyota and Subaru guarantee their batteries that they only loose 10% efficiency after 10 years. This is due to slower charging speeds. Regular fast charging degrades battery life.
@@MrPeteJMc Of course Toyobaru will be cheaper - who will buy a vastly unsuperior car otherwise? But the price means nothing because you won't be able to buy it. Toyota already announced it can build only 12 tou in 2022 - because of lack of batteries. Compare that to 1.5 mil Tesla will build this year. Knowing the Toyota-Subaru relationship, Subaru will probably build less.
@@gvaley Toyota's been banking on hybrids and hydrogen for so long and Subaru only has one mediocre hybrid. It's finally come to the point where they can't not make an EV but they're so far behind that this is the best they could figure out.
Yes, blows my mind how 215 hp is not enough for some people in a vehicle of this size. Easily enough power to pass on the highway. If only they had upped the battery size so range was competitive.
3:15 That looks similar to what Peugeot did on his models. Doug reviewed the 3008 crossover, and that car has the exact same type of gauge cluster, and the same problems for tall people. Peugeot sort of resolved this problem by making the steering wheel smaller and with a flat bottom. In Europe the I-cockpit (as Peugeot names it) is rather controversial. Love it or hate it.
personally i love it and have had no issues with it (im by no means tall tho - 179cm, but friends who are 185 and have driven it also havent had issues) You just need to play with it a bit more to get it to a comfortable level combined with your seating position
I guess people found the I-cockpit controversial because they can't fit in them well.
I swear people find everything controversial these days.
@@automation7295 there is a lot of truth in your final statement, ppl find everything controversial nowadays just for the sake of it
I own a Peugeot e208 with the i-cockpit and I love it (I'm also 5'11", 179 cm) since the wheel is small and flat at the bottom and it suits the size of the car (a small hatchback). What Toyota/Subaru seem to have done here feels like a poor implementation of that idea, especially since the cluster screen itself also looks pretty poor. Maybe Subaru drivers are different, but my personal feel when I saw the POV shot of the wheel and dash here was that it doesn't feel like a nice place to be, and that's from someone who owns and loves a vehicle with the i-cockpit!
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Doug: If this comes in around $40,000 or a little under it provides a pretty good value proposition.
Subaru: $51,995
I've been a Subaru fan and car owner for several years now, and I was thinking about getting a Solterra EV next year because I love the styling and appearance of it. In your review, I noticed you did not mention anything about one-pedal braking, so I was wondering if the Solterra has this feature. Also, one important question I have about one-pedal braking has been on my mind for awhile since I first heard about it. If you don't have to actually step on the brake pedal to slow the car or bring it to a complete stop, exactly when do the brake lights come on to warn drivers behind you?
Solterra does not have one pedal braking.
Doug the type of guy who reads an owner's manual from front to back on a long haul flight.
No... more like Doug the guy who sells out to the discovery plus channel and becomes a typical sell out TH-camr!!! AD BAIT!!!!!
Doug reads the manual from back to front... because that's a quirk.
@@jonathangwynne1917 Reading the manual at all is a quirk, honestly. I work at a shop and you would be surprised how little people know about how features in their own cars work. Like one I had come back complaining we broke their radio, when it was merely powered off- the volume knob is also the power switch for the radio.
@@wstlndiesel Doug is in the business of making money. I’m sure discovery paid him nicely.
OS is the type of guy who posts ridiculous not funny over-used cliches sadly
The bZ4X starts at $42k with FWD. No hope for this to be under $40k.
Subaru still qualifies for the tax credit and Toyota doesn't.
Indeed, motorman reviewed AWD bz4x and the pricing for that was around 50k
What would you expect from a rebadged suv lmao
Pricing is out in Norway and it starts at $55k for the base trim. It does have a few bells and whistles though as the buyers are picky, for instance the screen is the 12.3". So I’d expect it to be a tiny bit cheaper.
The good thing is you can get tax credit in the US, but I’m not sure how well that plays out with regards to sales tax.
Price is out also for japanese market. The cheapest version which is actual FWD is 5940000JPY thats around 47K usd. The AWD is at 50K USD after conversion.
I like the cladding though Doug, reminds me of the XV and before it the 1st Gen Forester that I've always had a soft spot for
I love the first gen Forester especially the turbo XT version that the current gen dont have anymore :(
My boy Doug Getting that Discovery+ paycheck baby 💯 love to see it
I feel like Subaru is gonna have a little tough time selling these Solterra because of how similar these are to the Toyota bz4x
Wtf, it's a joint operation by the two lol
He meant "because Toyota"
I hope they depreciate a lot so I can get one in three years.
One big difference is that Toyota's tax incentives are about to cap out, and Subaru's aren't.
So the Subaru can still get you $7500 in a tax writeoff.
The big thing going for Solterra over the Bz4x is Toyota is running out of tax credits, so it should be cheaper to the subaru over the AWD Bz4x
I like it better when the individual Doug scores are discussed
He's never going to do that again... sadly
@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 do you know why he stopped?
@@snisneves2894 because he said that it takes up time in his videos and him cutting off those 2 minutes of the Doug score explanation allows him to include 2 minutes more of quirks.
@@the_random9718 fair enough haha
@@snisneves2894 pretty much what that guy said, lol
Another great review, this supplements the review I read on Motor trend and I also read about the Toyota twin.
First time not skipping an ad mid video, love the ad. Get that Porsche money Doug!
I love that key AC button every electric car should have that
@Donovan Lewis yup. And it’s not just AC, but heat, and control charging. Heck the 2011 Nissan Leaf had it.
@Donovan Lewis What happens if your phone dies or you leave it at home or someone else needs to drive the car? Tesla has a card key.
I love Subaru. I am an Outback owner and the car is perfect for my outdoor/adventure/dog lifestyle. But, I feel like this EV just seems too much like Toyota was behind of it. Now I get that a good chunk of Subie is owned by the T-Man, but I feel if Subie really wants to cater this vehicle towards the adventure junky who wants an EV, going in the direction of how the Outback/Forester or even Crosstrek would have been the move. This just seems more like a Subieified electric Rav4 imo.
Exactly! That’s what I thought too!
I had an impreza coupe, a legacy wagon, and a forester xt. Subaru lost its way in 2008. This car is a turd and very much on brand for new subaru. Any electric car with no frunk was clearly designed poorly and rushed to get past crash testing safety.
Just get a rav4
Welcome to Toyota owning Subaru...
@@ericlucci2829 Our 2012 Forester was the worst car we ever owned. Never again Subaru!
Haha! It has the heated wipers! Cool! My 2000 Subaru Forester also has it, cool that they have continued with it.
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Unlike many rivals (especially Toyota) Subaru hasn't hit the government EV limit which means that the Solterra is eligible for the $7,500 tax credit... further making this an appealing and affordable option.
Toyota hasn’t hit it yet, they still have a few more cars to sell before they hitbut
By many rivals you mean just Tesla, GM, and Toyota
@Mark Neustadt this thing looks like a toaster with weird fenders. I wouldn’t buy one at gunpoint
@@nothere572 and Audi, VW, Ford
Also the standard heat pump will really help with range in cold climates.
Toyota owns 20% of Subaru. For those saying it looks like a Toyota...
This is 99+% pure mainstream Toyota (same everything).
Just watch Kirk Kreifels separate videos on both the Limited AWD (same as Doug's Solterra) and the XLE FWD. Done in the same general area as Doug's within days of this video.
YOU'LL BE SHOCKED! 😲😲😲
The ugly steering and dash looks exactly like the bzx4
@@xSavagepr they’re the same car with different badges, of course they look the same.
@@syxepop you can see the RZ450e on my channel if you want to see the triplet variant
Doug, loved your appearance in “Friends”!
I'm fine with lower range vehicles but they still should charge fast. I'm curious to see the price of this.
The name ‘Solterra’ sounds like the name of a new medication
‘Ask your doctor if Solterra is right for you’
An electric SUV with low range, slow charging, no frunk and glove box. I couldn't get more excited 🥴
Very well said Carl!
Another nonsense EV for people who might think they will save the planet, just by driving another POS...
Priceless era we live in 😂
That emoji killed me idk why lol
@@peterkater4292 This car is nonsense.
Not all cars make sense after all and that's why people have different cars for their different purposes, don't you think?
If I want an ICE car (which you seem to be quite fond of for some very odd reason) with a torque equals to at least those used by powerful diesel engines used by most freight trains, with a comfort level and the size of at most equal to S-class.
Would that make sense to you?
@@kamikakushi_ I'm very fond of ICE cars yes (ex: Volvo S60 Polestar as daily, Mustang GT500 for the weekend).
There is absolutely no place in my life for a vacuum cleaner (understand EV) no regards if it's a Rimac or a Dacia Duster EV.
EVs are soulless, have a really stupidly (unjustified and unjustifiable) design cue which by the way are almost all alike (exception made for Tesla) and will never "save the world" as all the materials needed for the batteries (let alone the production of electric energy) are on the opposite side of "ecological".
If you are still reading, good! You'll ask me why then so much "unlove" for the EVs? Easy answer. I worked on the development of several models (02/2020-03/2022) and honestly? It's all BS. In terms of technology, sustainability etc. The only thing that works with EVs?
The humongous amounts of investments made in the sector. You wouldn't believe the sums that gravitate around even the most simple parts! European "eco-terroristic" policies (joined with almost all OEMs) are just paving the economical highway for the biggest industrial nonsense I can think of : EVs.
When I think car, I think emotion, not "e-motion". I love sportscars (I own a few flat sixes, muscle cars, etc..) and cars in general, it's my passion. Sorry, I meant my obsession.
But EVs are just not doing it for me.
At best some might gain the following "half respect" from me (like Teslas) when they get performance, mileage, quick charge and last but not least a design that allows me to look at them without shedding tears...
Vibrations? Smell of gasoline? Engine sound? The list goes on and on.. Is it something EVs will ever have? I'll let you answer that one alone.
But back to your description of a car (spacious, high levels of torque etc..), if I think it is realistic?
Of course it is! GLS 55 AMG. Ever heard of that? It'll do all you need. Price? Who said you needed to buy new?
And concerning your argument "different car for different people", well you couldn't make me more happy, provided it would be realistic.
Let me explain what I mean by this.
In the wave of "saving the planet" with EVs and more, I'll be more than happy to see some more respect for the automobile. Anybody remembers what an automobile is?
Let me help you, it's got an engine. And I know you understand the kind of engine I have in mind...
I'd truly like to see that governments will respect automobiles and consumers who like beautiful engineering by showing a true form of : "drive whatever you like!"
But instead of that (it would be called "democracy" actually), all you get is to be reminded how "ecologically unconscious" or "in responsible" you are if you dare driving something different than an EV or say a hybrid or plug in hybrid.
Have you noticed that already 2 years ago, car commercials literally stopped advertising anything that isn't related to electric power?!
Let people do whatever they want. I honestly couldn't care less about others choices. I won't save the world with cars since the root of world pollution lies somewhere else (but that is another debate) but I would most kindly appreciate to be given a choice of driving whatever kind of car I just please until the last day of my life. Do you think it is too much to ask for? Because given the "ecological propaganda" and the increasingly more demanding emissions regulations, it means we'll never see new pure V12s (Aventador) or V10s (Viper) or others, ever. And this, in my opinion, is no way near democratic. And that is a regretfully sad trait of our modern societies. It's called : "Business over freedom".
@@peterkater4292 I'm very fond of horses.
There is absolutely no place in my life for pieces of plastics , metal and rubber (understand cars) no regards if it's a Ferrari or a Honda Civic.
Cars are soulless, have a really stupidly (unjustified and unjustifiable) design cue which by the way are almost all alike (exception made for Citroen Ami) and will never "save the world" as all the materials needed for the car (let alone the production of any type of petro energy) are on the opposite side of "ecological".
If you are still reading, good! You'll ask me why then so much "unlove" for the cars? Easy answer. I worked on the development of several models and honestly? It's all BS. In terms of technology, sustainability etc. The only thing that works with cars?
The humongous amounts of investments made in the sector. You wouldn't believe the sums that gravitate around even the most simple parts! European "support the car industry" policies (joined with almost all OEMs) are just paving the petro-dollar highway for the biggest industrial nonsense I can think of : cars.
When I think horses, I think emotion. I love horses in general, it's my passion. Sorry, I meant my obsession.
But cars are just not doing it for me.
At best some might gain the following "half respect" from me (like Citroen Ami) when they get mileage, mileage, mileage and last but not least a footprint that allows me to look at them without shedding tears...
Hoofs? Smell of poop? Trot sounds? The list goes on and on.. Is it something cars will ever have? I'll let you answer that one alone.
But back to your description of a horse (High up, good visibility etc..), if I think it is realistic?
Of course it is! Arabian. Ever heard of that? It'll do all you need. Price? Who said you needed to buy young?
And concerning your argument "different vehicles for different people", well you couldn't make me more happy, provided it would be realistic.
Let me explain what I mean by this.
In the wave of "marketing BS about inanimate objects having a soul" with cars and more, I'll be more than happy to see some more respect for the horses. Anybody remembers what a horse is?
Let me help you, it's got a heart. And I know you understand the kind of heart I have in mind...
I'd truly like to see that governments will respect horses and consumers who like beautiful creatures by showing a true form of : "ride whatever you like!"
But instead of that (it would be called "democracy" actually), all you get is to be reminded how "economically unconscious" or "in responsible" you are if you dare riding something different than a car or say a pick-up or minivan.
Have you noticed that already many years ago, horse commercials literally stopped advertising anything that isn't related to grass power?!
Let people do whatever they want. I honestly couldn't care less about others choices. I won't save the world with horses since the root of world pollution lies somewhere else (but that is another debate) but I would most kindly appreciate to be given a choice of riding whatever kind of horses I just please until the last day of my life. Do you think it is too much to ask for? Because given the "ecological propaganda" and the increasingly more demanding emissions regulations, it means we'll never see new pure Clydesdales or Mustangs (the 4 legged kind) or others, ever. And this, in my opinion, is no way near democratic. And that is a regretfully sad trait of our modern societies. It's called : "Petro-dollars over freedom".
looks freaking cool gotta check it out in a couple years used after I get outta uni
Great video DOug, I recently reviewed the sister car (RZ 450e) and there is a heater where the glovebox should be :)
You can also get it with an Toyota badge on it 🙂
Like Mazda 2 Hybrid😎
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don’t know if this is true, but apparently Toyota or Subaru isn’t making it, BYD is making it and then Toyota and Subaru are slapping their badge on it.
6:45 - jeeze Doug... I know you're excited but do you think you can push down on that brand new hood with your elbow to dent it even more? Hard to watch that part.
haha but in all fairness, considering a 6 year old girl is stronger than doug, I'd say it speaks more to the cheap shit paper-cup nature of this glorified tonka toy than doug
One interesting thing I noticed on my recent test drive is that the divot I’m the center of the hood gives you fantastic visibility of where the front end of the car is. Such a missed opportunity to make this car great from the terrible charge speed and range.
In just one video, Doug has now become a master at blurring logos and license plates out 😅
Toyota took the bz4x and said “copy and paste” to Subaru
The BZ4X has a different interior.
They have the same interior
With how many cars are in this segment now, something as simple as not having a glove box will make this one fail.
Add to that no front trunk and it's definitely enough to make buyers look elsewhere, especially given the charge time, range, and performance, even though it has similar price as rivals.
Agree with you guys.
Hopeless EV anyway.
@@balthazarduclos2673 ya the fact that they believe off-road performance makes up for all the glaring issues on road is laughable. Rly bad car lol
@@joeyn3590 agreed. Seriously. Hell even the off road isn't where they think it is. 220-ish miles combined EPA is NOT 220 miles off road. Unless you live directly near where you're off roading, that's going to kill a lot of your off road capability. I know Rivian and Jeep are both providing charging for the backwater areas to enable better off-roading, but they're JUST starting and that will take a few years to build out. Buying this to off road doesn't make any sense. For the price this will cost, based on the Toyota bZ4X pricing, you can buy an EV UTV like a Vanderhall Brawley and tow it to where you plan to off road.
The console has a lot more room than most and there is a storage area under the gear shift, neither of which were covered in this video. I own a Solterra now (only a few weeks in) but I don't feel like I am missing anything by the lack of glove box (yet... to be fair).
I love how sarcastic Doug gets with Subi's. This one takes the cake.
Great time of the year to be driving around in San Diego :)
Doug score for Practicality is a little high IMO. Deductions for Range, Charging speed, no Frunk.
Additional points for ground clearance.
This looks like it has a little less cargo room in the back, because of the inward slope to accommodate the tail light shelf..
But at the end of the day, it IS called the Doug score! :)
Glad to see this review, great work.
I agree with this....the Practicality score should've been an 8 or lower for sure.
Don't forget no glove box! I know a lot of people don't use it, but imagine keeping your registration, insurance, et al elsewhere in the car....
Normally I hate TH-cam sponsorships, but I'm so tired of Doug plugging Cars & Bids, the Discovery + ad was a welcome change of pace.
I'm hazarding a guess that this first model will become a base version while they work on another with more power and range. At least for now they'll have a capable AWD EV in the game to keep me interested. I'll await the coming updates - a 500km (ie 300+ mile) range with enough power (say 200kW and 380Nm torque) to propel it 0-100 in around 6 secs - enough to keep me happy. That's the reason I have a 2019 Outback 3.6 instead of a 2.5. I hope Subaru will make a Solterra of 3.6 equivalence. And bring on more energy dense Lithium Sulphur battery technology
I remember seeing this at the Chicago auto show. And Toyota has a bz4x. Since they teamed up with the Toyota GR86/GT86. And Subaru BRZ. But this car is amazing!
Doug talks a lot about how customers expect their crossovers to get to 60 in ~4 s but I don't think that's the average consumer. If you stack this up next to the Outback it's comparable to the most powerful wilderness model regarding acceleration, off-roading geometry figures, and even the interior space.
In the end Subaru customers want something practical and confidence inspiring, and I think that's what this is. (although I do agree that a larger battery option would be nice)
- Impreza owner
Average consumer isn't buying an all electric compact crossover. Buyers looking at Solterra will look at what else they can buy for the same money.
@@CMCNestT yes.
For the vast majority of people who aren’t into cars, if it can accelerate to 60 mph in under 7 seconds, they will say it feels quick enough.
@@sardonicbear I used to think that when I first started driving my 2018 Accord. Now...
...mostly the same but I wish it gave me better low-end grunt like an electric motor assist can do.
With the exception of the WRX vapelords, most Subarus have CVTs and undersized engines. Average Outback buyers couldn’t care less about 0-60
I currently own both a Subaru Forester and another EV brand. Good review Doug, but I don’t see one thing about this car that would convince me to purchase a Solterra over the similar EV competition. Subaru may be marketing this like other Subarus, but the reality of this car is that it’s meant for city driving. I don’t picture myself taking this car for adventuring when range and charging speed are vastly inferior to the competition. Maybe I’d consider if it’s a lot cheaper and I don’t need extra driving range, fast charging, a really good infotainment, or a glovebox (I.e. Again, this is the description of a pure city car….lol).
I agree, was expecting this to be a cheaper off-road ev besides the Rivians but the range and charge time is not good at all.
Imo if they can make the range at least 270-300 miles then it might get a shot
Not quite a city car either, the vast majority of Subaru’s demographic is people in rural areas that have winter. Those that have to drive dirt roads, or through some heavy snow often. It’s a small demographic compared to other manufacturers, sure, but that’s their thing. Heated seats & steering wheel, heated wiper blades, standard full-time symmetrical AWD on all models except their “sports car”. It’s an EV for people that have to deal with winter and dirt roads. Not saying it’s great, but I wouldn’t call it a city car.
its a toyota bz4x with different case. not a subaru that you bring to wilderness
@@akhyarrayhka4048 I didn’t say bring it to wilderness. I said it’s for snowy climates.
100% agree. I've had two Subaru Foresters (2015 and 2019, my current daily driver). I ended up ordering a Mustang Mach-E Premium AWD ER last November (still don't even have a production date!), but when I heard about this, I wondered if I should cancel that order. This should have been a slam dunk for me, but it's just so underwhelming. I would absolutely forget my phone in that cubby all the time. I don't know why they thought that was a good idea. I also don't understand a vehicle that is designed for off-road adventuring that has so little range, but more importantly, such slow charging speed. I think their partnership with Toyota really held them back here.
Doug making it rain with new ADDS you go GIRL!!! ahahahahh HE will soon be on an episode of Million Dollar Wheels!!! haahah
Doug: These screens don't do enough!
Also Doug: I'm so glad they didn't put the claimant controls in the screen, that really grinds my gears.
Spot on about the charge time and range issues.
I've been waiting for a crossover with some of the basic adventure features lacking in all other models - namely a bit of reasonable ground clearance and an option to put a roof rack on when needed for adventure gear or the occasional run to the hardware store. Another understated feature that's important is being able to "hide" your mobile phone under a cover. Most other EV makers force you to have it out in the open to charge or be usable. Where I live there are major fines for having your mobile phone visible anywhere, using it or not.
Add a back wiper and solve the range/charging issues and they have a winner. Until then... limited appeal. Knowing them, Toyota and Subaru will probably decide that no one wants an "adventure EV" because of this and make all of their future ones car-like, LOL.
They need to make a wagon with high clearance and with a roof rack that isn't 7ft off the ground. Like the old AMC Eagle wagon. Those were badass.
Doug saying that the trunk ist really big which is good because there is no glove box.
OK Im gonna throw my cars paperwork and user manual in the trunk and let it fly around then...
I agree with you. He will have his own Show on the D/C💯
I’m a car buff 💪🏼. I love the show. But I have just one concern. You never talk about the sound system that’s inside these new cars. People love music and love a good sounding factory system. I feel like you should emphasize a little more about the sound system in the cars that you review. Tell us about the bermester sound system, about the Bose sound system, about the infinity, about the Sony sound system, about the b&o sound system!!!!!! Everyone play music when they drive cars. Let us know.
been watching doug for a long while, feel like i haven’t seen a paid promo in one of his vids (besides CARRRRS AND BIIIDS respectively).
He hasn't done adds in years. They must have thrown a bag of money at him.
he says he only ever does something he believes in so he never really has ads
Doug is the type of guy to tell multiple times that portion of his video is sponsored.
He is now total AD BAIT!!!!
LMFAO 🤣
Brilliant video. Really enjoyed it. Entertaining. Factual. Unbiased. Nice.
Waiting for that GR-Four review Doug!
Thank you so much for being so transparent about sponsorship. I absolutely love the way you did this.
I would buy this over the Toyota simply because of the fact that I don’t have to tell people I drive something called a “bz4x”
bZ4X*
Fine, but BR-Z, FR-S or GT86?
Well done sir!
😂🤣😄👍
A "bz4x". Where in there creepy minds were they thinking?!
A name for a car?
What are you driving?
You might as well burp.. It's gonna be the same 🤣
Idiots.. 🤣
I just put a fully refundable deposit on one today as I watch this video. Not sure if I will trade my 2021 crosstrek for it or keep the crosstrek for a few years and wait for the Solterra to improve. Thanks for this video. Helpful
My local dealership has like 8 available and they reduced the price to 33K for the premium model. is it a good deal?
Anyone else weirded out by Doug not reminding us about Cars & Bids?
How confident do folks feel taking electric cars on camping / fishing trips? Idk if I’d trust anything in the market for a 5 day get away or something. In some areas, even finding gas can be a mission let alone a charging station lol
Went camping with a person with a Chevy bolt back in 2019. Only a weekend, but they had no worries…and the bolts were a little more undeveloped back then
Agreed. I like the hybrid idea better overall. Better range and actual MPG in the long run, IMO/limited experience.
If there's an RV hook up where you stay, you can charge the car from that. More traditional camping might be a problem though.
might work for camp ground that has outlets
Dug with his "THISSS" jump scare the shit out of me after a short ad.
Awsome video.... You really really should do a thunderbird super coupe review
does Subaru's design team consist solely of blind accountants?
Mostly Toyota designers, with Subaru guys trying to tack whatever they can onto the shell.
For a vehicle that is supposed to go "off the grid" it sure needs to connect to "the grid" fairly often. Our '19 Outback 3.6R Touring can get over 500 miles to a tank on the freeway and can go much farther off the grid.
You could always tow a generator behind you😁
Honestly I can’t help but feel like Subaru is a shell of its old self.
Doug should spend more time in Canada (where off roader capabilities are super common). We have this thing called "winter" and if you want to drive anywhere during that time you'd best be able to go off road...because pavement disappears quick.
A Subaru without a glove box... what has the world come to?
Exactly 😂
Crazy, cheap, thoughtless. Also not having knobs for AC, is lame.
you would think the difference between 6 and 8 ins would be negligible but no...my wife has informed me that the extra 2 inches provides a much more satisfying ride
sounds like your wife goes on a lot of test drives
We currently have two Forester XTs , 2014 and 2018. I have a Kia EV6 GT-Line Package 2 on order as well as a top spec Solterra. The EV6 is a certain purchase to replace the 2014 XT. The Solterra was ordered on spec because final features, range, and pricing had yet to be announced. Here in Canada the Solterra price has yet to be revealed, however the BZ4X top spec has and it is $1000 higher than the EV6 top spec I've ordered. Even without knowing the Canadian Solterra pricing I have to say if it is anywhere near the EV6, yet quite inferior in almost all aspects, I will not be pulling the trigger on it to replace the 2018 XT. We'll wait a couple more years for solid state battery technology and buy something with considerably more range instead. Toyota and Subaru seem to have missed the mark on this one.
The idea that every EV needs to have fast acceleration is ridiculous. Hopefully more companies will ignore the absolutely useless 0-60 times.
agreed... sure, its fun. but that fun goes away after a few months (previous Tesla owner here). I would MUCHHHHHHHH rather have more range (a reason why I got rid of the Tesla)
I'm a huge Tesla fan and I completely agree. It would be nice to see an economical, slow EV at a lower price point. Something like the Nissan leaf but with liquid cooled batteries and better charging time.
Nobody cares about the power - we want practicality and for cheaper than gas. This car is a turd. Cheap interior, no glove box, subpar range, and slower charging than competitors when you need it most. This car is a turd. I'm not stopping nearly 3 times resulting in 3 hours of wait time on just a measly 500 mile roundtrip. What a turd.
@@eshelmen cheaper than gas only means more expensive gas to government....
@@jeffreysmith4586 0 - 60 is not why electric cars are expensive…
Thought it was a RAV4 at first glance...
This looks like a Toyota Rav4
My thoughts too
I think its just rebadged toyota bz4x
Or at least a relative of it.
Toyota designed it
Its a bz4x
Would love a tour of the Cadillac Lyriq. Really thinking it’ll be the eventual replacement of my SRX.
Im kinda more excited for the new electrified Lexus RZ than the Lyriq
Range might limit its success -- but for what the Doug score's worth, I'd note its "daily" numbers match all of the other competitors. I have had good luck with Subarus, and if/when they increase range I'd definitely consider it.