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- Are there any differences between Gracie Jiu Jitsu and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? Which one is better?
That's a very common question amongst beginners and those who are considering starting Jiu Jitsu.
The reality is... yes, there are some differences, but there is also a lot of overlapping between the two styles.
It's not really a matter of which one is better, because both are great, but rather it's more about what you are looking for and what you want to focus on.
The main differences between the 2 styles are their training objectives and the techniques themselves.
Watch this video to learn more about it.
-Professor Gustavo Gasperin
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I train at a gracie barra and when our professor teaches us a technique he always tells us if this is sport or reality! I really like how he keeps it real!
Awesome!
Although I do enjoy sport jiu jitsu.. I tend to put aside many of the sport techniques & dissect mostly moves that can be applied to street situations. I never want to get into the habit of pulling guard on someone & end up doing it in a street fight
And what's it called when a Mexican hugs you on the ground? Gracias Jiu Jitsu.
😂😂😂😂
Haha whoever you are. I tip my hat
Or just tenth planet jiu jitsu 🤪
I'm sure you know where the door is....
hahahahahaha that's a good one ese
To expand on the Gracie Jiu Jitsu topic of being self-defense applicable, my GJJ school (under Royce) includes defenses against strikes thrown standing and on the ground, throws, defenses against being grabbed in different ways, and defense against weapon attacks. We roll like every other BJJ school too.
Awesome!!
Is your Gracie Jiu-Jitsu the same curriculum as the Gracie Academy with Rener and Ryron? Or is it different? I’m looking for good Gracie Jiu Jitsu
@@WingChunGungFu whats the difference?
@@HtheKing The material is the same, as Royce and all his brothers (Rorion, Relson, Rickson, Royler and Rolker) trained at the Gracie Academy when they first came to America; the class structure, order of the curriculum and promotions might be different, though. Royce also has a public disdain for sport BJJ, so his schools are also very fight-focused.
If a dojo doesn't teach the strike defense or incorporating strikes then isn't that a diluted jiu-jitsu
This is the most classy explanation of the of the differences without making one better than the other. Brilliant.
Thank you!
Thank you for this excellent explanation. I’m 63, still in great shape, but nevertheless I’m still 63… I’ve been wanting to learn Jiu Jitsu add to my 25 years of Muay Thai experience, but wasn’t sure which I should study. I now know that Gracie Jui Jitsu is the smart choice for me. Thank you!
Same here. 47 and in good shape. A few years back at my daughter's college dorm/apartment move-in one of the coordinators thought I was a student! Hahaha.
Anyway, I'm not looking to compete at my age, just interested in learning the art/science of jiu-jitsu!
Thank you Professor, well said. Have a wonderful day.
One of the best explanations I've heard so far.
Amazing breakdown and commentary! Thank you! I've been looking to start Jiu Jitsu and thinking I will start with Gracie Jiu Jitsu for the focus in self defense as we do not plan to do any competitions. This video was very helpful!
Gracie JJ => Hélio Gracie Style = more focus in selfdefense
Excellent breakdown and commentary. Thank you.
Thanks Kevin!!
Thank you so very much for this explanation concerning the differences. I appreciate it!
Very well explined.
Thank you!!!!
Great job breaking it down I couldn't told it better myself I study both an its hard to explain the difference most people think its the same. Great job sir.
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The Gracie style was designed for defense on the street . Many others are aimed more towards "sport" against other competition . Much like what Judo became
You’re acting like other BJJ styles aren’t legit because they look like “sport”. Non-Gracie styles are equally effective, just require more strength, stamina, speed, etc. Let’s not forget that the Gracie challenge came about as a way to test skills in a real fight, which evolved into early MMA.
I think he’s just saying GJJ is more geared to combat not that BJJ isn’t combat worthy
BJJ is still useful for self-defense. If you really are so concerned about the "streets" then get a Glock
Self defence is what it’s all about. Sport bjj has too many holes for that
@@runite715 It's not just "me" talking about it's applications on the street . Rickson and other Gracie's have been saying it for years . Many of these versions out their , are watered down versions of the original style . Aimed towards competing against another bjj opponent , on the mat . Not the style Royce used in the early Ufc's .
Excellent explanation much respect to you
Muito Obrigado Maestro 🇵🇭
I like this guy. Very humble. Good talk sir
I am a student of Gracie JJ and I have wondered this exact question. Thanks for your humble and honest talk. OSS
still with Gracie JJ now?
@@HtheKing Indeed I am. Thanks. Purple belt
@@blackfriarsffc5232 are you happy you stuck with gracie JJ rather than go into sports JJ?
@@blackfriarsffc5232still w it today? Joined a few weeks ago.. love it so far
As a practiciomer of Gracie Jiu-jitsu since I was a kid, this an excellent explanation.
Breathing and focus on movement as a thought, is the most important thing.
Gracie Jiu-jitsu is practiced as science by the Gracie family for 100 years.
Brasileiru jujitsu is focused on ability.
When someone attempts to grab you, you will immediately understand the difference between Gracie, and regular Jiu-jitsu.
Thanks for the explanation man , a ghost in the shell fan I see.
You mean difference between Gracie and Brazilian jiu jitsu. Regular jiu jitsu is Japanese
can you elaborate on your last sentence? Do you mean Gracie JJ will be better when someone grabs us?
@@Smithy250 the Japanese style is Jujitsu, Jiu-Jitsu is Brazilian.
@@jaxwhyland
it's same word
just brazilian can't pronounced ju ,that's why they call jiu.
This was very helpful. What im interested is what you have outlined in the local GJJ club especially in someplace as far away from Brazil as Australis is.
Long story short... Jiu Jitsu.
I loved your thought process and rhythm for this video. Thank you for sharing your perspective!
Glad you liked it!
as an up in coming fighter having been in great fighters camps, thank you for this video!!
Glad you liked it!
Thank you very much, Professor, for your lucid explanations on the differences between the two styles.🙂
Appreciate!
@@MMALeech Once, again, Professor, you are most welcome. I appreciate factual, academic studies that provide robust critical, cogent analyses when presenting an argument👍
Thanks so much for your explanation
In my humble opinion I appreciate all fighting arts and think they are all connected on some level . Whether BJJ, GJJ, Judo or Kung Fu all Martial arts are connected and to be respected. Besides nowadays in these unforgiving streets damn near every fool seems to be an expert at pulling a knife or gun and shooting someone.✌🏿 Good breakdown sir.
More people need to see this video
Thank you for the explanation. I was genuinely ignorant about the subtle differences in styles. I will now try to look to see it when I watch matches.
Nice video. That gi is legit old school!
I've been to atleast 4 different gyms over the years, so I'd say that you are more likely to get high quality training from a Gracie Jiujitsu gym than a bjj gym. There are pros and cons to both but if you don't necessarily know a lot, meaning you can't tell the difference between the quality of training it's just safer to go to a Gracie gym.
Good video prof
Thank you for braking down differences
They are marketing terms. The techniques are developed in Japan during Edo period and codified by Kano Jigoro as Kodokan Judo. Maeda Mitsuyo 前田光世 learned Sumo at his hometown and then Judo at Kodokan when he started studying at Waseda University in Tokyo. His main teacher was Tomita Tsunejirō 富田常次郎, and he was eventually awarded 7 dan by Kodokan.
((秋山楊心流->真之神道流->天神真楊流)+(起倒流))->講道館柔道
Important to say that Maeda had a school in Brazil, he named it Jiu Jitsu not Judo.
MMA Leech Not according to Japanese sources. According to record in Kodokan and two bibliographies that I read about, Maeda found the first Judo Academy in Brazil in 1921, was promoted to 6 dan in 1929 and 7 dan in 1941. He never studied any Japanese Ju Jiutsu style, had promoted Kodokan Judo all his life, and in contact with Kodokan until his death.
@@user-lt8vw4fe4w I understand, brazilian sources are far and few between, but more and more brazilian historians are taking their time to study this matter and they've been finding official papers of that era. They have found that Maeda was teaching in Brazil in 1915, Carlos Gracie was one of his students, here th-cam.com/video/8dyksDFuyQg/w-d-xo.html
He was teaching Kano Jiu Jitsu at the time, not Judo, here: th-cam.com/video/kggBsJ0j5FI/w-d-xo.html
Most recent book talking about all of this, written by 2 renowned brazilian historians www.amazon.com/MUITO-ANTES-MMA-precursores-formadoras-ebook/dp/B084T7K2V9/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1592274992&refinements=p_27%3AElton+Silva&s=digital-text&sr=1-1&text=Elton+Silva
MMA Leech What exactly is Kano Jiu Jitsu as mentioned by you? Is it different from Kodokan Judo? Kano Jogoro founded Kodokan Judo, literally means the School of Teaching the Do (The Way), Judo (The Way of Gentle) and wrote books on why he named his school Kodokan and his style Judo. He was a university educator and president by profession and his philosophy is clearly written. I addition, Judo was not a new term that he invented, it was used within Kito-Ryu 起倒流before. The Japanese Ju Jitsu Association has classified existing Ju Jitsu schools into at least 6 different lineages, and Yoshin Ryu 楊心流and Kito-Ryu 起倒流 have highly possible Chinese origins.
Again, in Japanese sources, Maeda taught Kodokan Judo only, had contact with Japanese Government and Kodokan until his death, as besides spreading Judo he was also helping Japanese Government to set up Japanese immigrant settlements throughout South America.
@@user-lt8vw4fe4w I'm referring to the nomenclature, not the art itself, regardless if they are different from each other or not. Newspapers in Brazil called his art jiu jitsu, his dojo had a sign that read jiu jitsu as I mentioned in the link above. Helio Gracie said that Maeda called his teachings jiu jitsu.
As you know there was a period in time where Judo was not the official name of the art yet, the art was called Jiu Jitsu, Kano Jiu Jitsu, or Judo interchangeably.
I'm aware that Maeda helped the japanese government settling many japanese immigrants in Brazil (some were his friends from Kodokan), the japanese were responsible for the modernization of agriculture in many parts of Brazil, among many other important contributions to the country.
I really like this video! You speak to my audience and is very relatable.
Tudo é Jiu Jitsu o que muda é a forma como se aplica
Good info; thanks!
You are welcome Mark!
Very nice explanation. Thank you.
Excellent explanation! Thank you.
GREAT VIDEO!
Excellent presentation and breakdown!
Very beautiful and honest breakdown
Nice 👍 break down
Without watching.....id say ego is the difference.
Baldheadedchimp got em
And which side has the bigger ego and which side benefits or loses significance because of their ego?
LMK2 wait, What?
Andres Herrera casual
Maybe you should watch then.
I know Fabricio Werdum, i loved training with him because he is comedian that knows how to make everyone laugh
He's definitely a funny guy!
what an excellent video
Thank you!
Great video
Thanks Koliath!
All I can say is AWESOME & WISE words. Thanks so much.
Perfection :) I love the breakdown
Awesome attitude
Great explanation about the differences, which I did not know.
Long story short:
Gracie Jiu Jitsu = Real fights
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu = Tournaments (sport)
Exactly. I learned various MMA disciplines purely for survival growing up in the South Bronx in the 80's. I learned the limitations of Tae Kwon do at 10 years old when an opponent almost caught my leg kick. Karate & Boxing have no strategy to defend yourself once you are on your back. I was watching a Rickson Garcie documentary and he said " The difference between me and KickBoxers, and Wrestlers "is they do this for sport. This is a real live fight to me." I said Wow. This is for me.
one time someone tackled me in front of my friends house bc idk he was mad for something i guess and then i just put him in my full guard then kimura locked and he started tapping and before i let go i told him to walk away or i’ll break it. i learned that move in bjj so i mean i guess it works for the streets
Sean Boss that’s very motivational to hear. I just started my BJJ journey and I am so dedicated to grow
Whats up Randy, you still training bro?
Great 👍🏼 video - fights are not only about ego - besides a few sucker punches, I’ve had guns & knives pulled on me when I was not looking for trouble...Can happen anytime & anywhere, but I was living in rough hoods that make it more likely.
Can anyone tell me what differences (if any) would I find in a Gracie Barra system vs Carlson Gracie bjj?
I see GB has a very defined training schedule - is this the same for Carlson Gracie?
Thanks for the explanation, take care sir ^_^
you are welcome!
Great video. Love your channel.
the video had 999 likes , i clicked the like button . NOICCCEEEE
Great video! Not too long. Not too short. And he hit the important points that matter. Muito Bom irmao!! 🇺🇸🇵🇹🙏
The biggest diff in my experience is the "Gracie Combatives program". It's a white belt to blue belt program that teaches you positions and techniques (often gi-less) to not get knocked out by strikes. I know even every Gracie gym is different but from what I understand the spirit of this at least is shared amongst all GJJ gyms, which is why GJJ is ranked higher than BJJ in self defense system rankings.
I'm thinking it's kinda like the difference between mcnuggets and chicken nuggets. Mcnuggets are chicken nuggets, but when you order mcnuggets you know exactly what you are getting. The brand gives you consistency. Whereas with chicken nuggets there is more diversity, with some of them tasting a lot like mcnuggets and some tasting less like mcnuggets. They aren't necessarily better or worse than mcnuggets, you just have to find the brand that tastes best to you.
Did you post this comment before lunch?
Tendies or gtfo m’goodboy
My question my friend and I agree with you 100% how old are you? I tried really really hard about eight hours a day open till I was 34 maybe 36...and then I said I’m not gonna do this anymore I’m just gonna be a teacher I’m just gonna work on my fun stuff that I love to do, and then that way as I get older :) I don’t get hurt at times it’s easy because it’s a lot easier to get hurt I’m 51 I’ll be 52! I started Gracie jujitsu in 1990 I’ve been training ever since I started wrestling when I was four, Greco when I was six, and catch Wrestling when I was 12! I’m telling you if you do stuff like that for years and years it takes a toll on you I finally twisted my knee a little bit, and it’s taking a bit to even get worked out of me I didn’t hurt really it’s gonna take six weeks, and I have to wear a brace. I never had anything like that happen, but that’s really important if you want to have your instructor around helping you need to just let them become teachers.
I go to a Relson Gracie school and the focus is self defense…not sport jiu jitsu. I think there is also a difference between Gracie JJ and Gracie Barra, which I believe is more sports focused.
Personally, I have no interest in sports JJ.
Great explanation!!
Good video brother, I just had a question like I was watching a youtube video of Gracie Jiu Jitsu escaping the mount when getting punched demonstrated by Rener and Rorion Gracie where he simply just sits up and hug the attacker tight and pull him down and work from that. My question is it looked really applicable, functional and cool but I checked other channels on Mount Escapes on youtube not a single one are doing that, they are hip bumping to advance guards like X guard and other crazy freaky complicated techniques. Why is that ? Not a single channel showcasing this variation even once and I am really confused is it not effective or something like that because a jab, cross is effective in an mma, boxing and street fight but in here it looks very different. Your reply is very much appreciated Ossss
Most of YT channels focus on the sport side of BJJ, including mine, although I post some self defense videos once in awhile.
Ryron and Rener, on the contrary, teach mostly self defense techniques, they are great instructors and their stuff is great and effective for the self defense scenario.
Since sport BJJ has no punches, the techniques do vary a lot, when you add punches to the game the techniques generally become simplified and straight to the point.
@@MMALeech thank you sir for your time and comment that was very helpful.
@@yroy5254 you are welcome
É tudo mesmo coisa!!!!
Good 👍 video
would you say starting with gjj and slowly evolving into bjj would be a good idea?
Nice.
Learning martial arts for self defence is the only reason i want to learn bjj, just did a trial at gracie barra bjj and had a blast but i neglected to ask if they train self defence, if not ill have to look elsewhere.
Imho a "sport" style armbar will leave an arm just as broken as a "street" style armbar. I really dont buy into this idea that someone with 3 or more years of bjj is somehow ill equiped to defend themself from a person who doesnt train.
The Gracie gyms do have a lot of focus on self defence. My gym has two nights a week dedicated to street sparring and fight simulation where we use mma style gloves and allow for strikes
Gracie university is place you need to go one of their certified training centres
Gracie Jiu Jitsu has self defence, not all BJJ has self defence
Excellent explanation 👍👌
I'd say practice bjj for the athleticism but don't neglect gracie jiujitsu to be well rounded in self-defense and have the speed and explosiveness of the sport aspect.
Nice
If I train Gracie jiu jitzu, then switch to bjj. Is it gonna take me another 10ish years to get a black belt? Or does it translate over to it?
Too funny. My first day in class and my first spar I did that jumping chest kick you see in the thumbnail....apparently they don't do that....
0:44 mmm you mean MITSUYO MAEDA the founder of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Maeda introduced Kano Jiu-Jitsu to the brazilians and to many other countries. Fortunately or unfortunately, the japanese didn't appreciate their own martial art and gradually turned it into the Judo we know nowadays. The Gracies kept the flame alive, modified it, and spread it to the world.
@@MMALeech cool
Strike use or defense totally depends on the instructors abilities. To me jiu jitsu includes all aspects of fighting.
@@MMALeech Robert Drysdale will be releasing a BJJ documentary/history film this summer. It's called "Closed Guard: The Origins of Jiu-Jitsu in Brazil".
Indians started jiu jutsu . They started ninjutsu
What's the difference between Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? About $100 a month.
Our school is called the NM BJJ academy but we teach/expand on the original helio Gracie style, but we still roll daily
Awesome!
Thank you !
so the original judo self defense style? good
@@Supermomo2007 no, the original self defense curriculum presented by Helio Gracie was very different from Kime no kata in judo. Newaza has a much heavier emphasis with the added assumptiom that your opponent will always be larger than you
@@Taekwon-Brandothere are more katas then you think
Great explanation.
A very fair and respectable analysis.
BJJ tries to win medals, GJJ tries to keep Jiu Jitsu from becoming Tae Kwan Do. Any questions?
What a great recap of learning martial arts
gracies never loose. the opponent was just lucky this time. and new jiu jitsu tricks are not good, unless a brazilian invented them. and you need 43.dan masters with belt colors in coral, red and black combined.
*Sakuraba* *has* *entered* *the* *chat*
Eddie bravo too?
Moon ding it’s funny because the Gracies and the Machados used to have a series of tournaments against each other. Gracie students vs Machado students and Machado students won like 80% of the matches. And of course, Eddie Bravo is a Jean Jacque Machado black belt
BBJ = all jiu-jitsu practice in Brazil. (Ono dojo, Fadda dojo, Gracie dojo, Carson Gracie dojo, etc)
The way they teach is very methodical and less injury prone - but BJJ will get you better faster - new BJJ will make you just a bit more GI dependent - just a randoms opinion who has trained both
You should. You should train both, gi no gi. Train everything. I started with Japanese Jiu-Jitsu (which should get more love imo) back in the early 90's.
What about (TPJJ) Tenth Planet Jiu Jutsu?
10th planet jiu jitsu was made for mma,it has some sport techniques but the majority of techniques are made for mma, specially the rubber guard
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I do GJJ
What's the difference between those who supposedly created bjj and bjj? How is this possible?
The problem with MMA is that the techniques are for fighting someone in the same weight class. I have only been in a few fights and they were always guys who were much bigger than me and formidable. I would not feel comfortable using MMA technique with a 6 ft 4 athletic guy weighing 220 who has a violent or reckless attitude. Safer to apply Gracie Combatives class in this situation with one exception. Instead of trying to finish the fight the emphasis is on disengaging if possible only finish the fight if you can't disengage for some reason. BJJ and wrestling have kept me safe with dangerous hombres. Also stay fit and think tactically. Avoiding danger is the best way to stay safe. Most people do not have time to be elite grapplers but they do have time to practice 36 techniques. For this reason, I rate Gracie Combatives pretty high for the average person.
Here’s the difference.....when Rorion Gracie cane to America he registered the name so nobody else could use it.
MegaSkilla Gracie Jiu jitsu is the foundation of Brazilian Jiu jitsu, GJiu Jitsu was made to beat the other systems, sport Jiu jitsu was made to compete among each other.
@MegaSkilla to assume only the gracies can do combat jujitsu and then call everyone else ignorant is laughable. They don't have a monopoly on grappling in real fights.
@@johnnythepillpopper1974 that is more combat bjj vs sport bjj, Gracie is just one brand when it comes to combat bjj. It's a trustworthy brand, but still only one of many.
Carlson said it best, self defence is for defending against people who don't know jiujitsu, jiujitsu is for defending yourself against other jiujitsu fighters.
You're just parroting Rickson and Royce. Rickson is a champion, but still made dubious claims, Royce never won a championship, but did well against guys who didn't know jiujitsu.
Good jiujitsu is knowing how to defend yourself and cross training (something Royce disagrees with), if you can defend punches, manage distance, get the takedown and stay on top to finish, or reverse to get on top, you should be able to defend yourself on the street.
Plenty of mma fighters have made bjj work , without being trained in gjj, because they train for the parameters. It Doesn't take much to know if you fight on the street, beat them standing or if you're close takedown and finish fast (most likely with strikes), but watch your back and if you're on your back sweep, or stand up...
Muay thai and bjj will likely neutralise someone of the same rank in gjj.
@@tonysmith1949 The only problem now is that thanks to cage fighting, many people know the basics, they’re armchair Jiu jiteros. So now if you don’t know groud fighting your at a disadvantage because most people have been exposed to it.
where i live theres many bjj schools like every 3rd gym and only 1 gjj garage other side of the city which is a small room and just a few ppl practicing like a family looks like it from its fb page. from my research to me it looks like bjj is more like for young ppl for sport and the gjj for anybody and focused on selfdefense n controll. for me like over 40 old i have an impression in bjj schools i will just be choked out as many times kids can catch me and laugh on me but gjj offers a more serious system to get in there. i think both has gi and no gi... or bjj can be started at any age too? i would love to learn some judo too but i have the same fear, im already to old to bein slammed to the ground... am i right? pls correct me if im wrong
Your assumptions are all pretty much spot on. Judo is definitely harder on your body, but still useful for an older person to gain a greater sense of balance, leverage, and body control...so as to be able to avoid being thrown to the ground in the first place. Just gotta decide if you're willing to suffer those aches and brushes along the way. 😅
@@Daddy_Bear_722 thx for the answer! well looks like i still have time to decide because of this virus craziness...
Renzo Gracie's academy teaches Gracie jiu-jitsu, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, or just jiu-jitsu?
All of above.
I'm only a blue belt but the impression I get is - John Danaher (Renzo Gracie) specializes in leg locks (historically risky in MMA.) Therefore, I'd classify Danaher's subsection as BJJ, instead of GJJ.
i feel that Gjj is based around more traditional techniques, where Bjj is open to newer variations of techniques. Eddie bravo brought this up one time on how he was trying to show the gracies his effective style of jj to incorporate it into Gjj and he got push back from a lot of the gracie family because of it. they pretty much flat out refused to incorporate his style of jj into their style of gracie jj. This is one of the reasons why bravo started up his own jj called 10th planet jj.
Eddie's style of BJJ is sport-focused, hence the pushback from the Gracies. It's incredible for competition, but the moment people start trying to beat punch you, it falls apart like a lot of sport BJJ. The Gracies had already had enough fights to know whether Bravo's stuff had any merit in self-defense or the cage.
@@tjl4688 Huh? Eddie has open hand jj tournaments, which is the closest you can get to actually someone punching you in the face.
@@SteelRhinoXpress And look how fast the fight strategy changed when that started; no more 50/50.
@@graciescottsdale Doesn't mean it It's not effective. Everything evolves or you get left in the dust.
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Awesome !
is this recorded in his daughter's room? wth...
First step of self defense : discard your ego , swallow the anger and talk your way out
Second step if talking doesn't work run as fast as you can
BJJ is still relevant in MMA.
someone who practices sports bjj and is a competitive blue or purple isn’t exactly a push over on the streets
if they can manage the strikes and take it to the ground, they are a force to be reckon with against an untrained person
most at that level know understand top position advantages over pulling guard fighting off your back