Why the Flag of Brussels is a Bit Bad
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ธ.ค. 2019
- How the flag of Brussels redesign went wrong.
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Sources:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of...
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www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/b...
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www.brusselslife.be/fr/articl...
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Signs of a TH-camr morphing into CGP Grey:
1. Stick figure with pens on table
2. Infrequent uploads
3. Complains about bad flag designs
4. Glasses
what if he is CGP Grey
Nah, complaining about bad flags is the domain of Roman Mars from 99% invisible.
So, this channel gonna be a crossover of cgp grey and 99pi?
We do need more cgpgreys, though
@@TheFeldhamster If Tapakapa is a crossover of CGPGrey and 99PI, I guess I've got a new favourite podcast coming up.
So, apparently the red, somewhat heart-shaped things on the flag of Friesland are water-lily leaves.
Those are usually green, though, so make up your own mind.
Broke: They are not hearts, they are lily pads
Woke: They are *POND-HEARTS*
Trust me Tapa, a mere 1% of Dutch people knows that. Even most Frisians (who of all Dutch people are the most proud of their province) don't know.
Friesland is in Germany, you mean Fryslân.
The red water lily leaves are an old heraldic symbol. Honestly we don't know why they are red either.
@@ivovanderavert1269 Eh not really its pretty well known those are pompeblêden
As a Belgian I can confirm: This is so stereotypically Belgian that it's kind of funny. A new thing for no good reason, take a good idea that was for something else and muck it up, the different colour values that aren't the same but should be, the bureacracy. Amazing.
thats our country am i right ? always pass as the dumbs of western europe cause our bureaucrats and politicians do stupid stuff
"this piece of legislation should clear things up you'd think"
honey you're talking about belgian legislation, nothing about that is even remotely clear
DID YOU KNOW: Those are NOT hearts on the flag of Fryslân (Friesland), they are "pompeblêden", which are leaves of the yellow water-lily. It's a very common mistake, even sometimes still made amongst my fellow Frysians! 😉
When you said that only a select few have ever tried pulling off hearts on a flag I immediately expected you to mention the Frysian flag! Awesome video! 😁
@@epsi well, that would have been the case were it not for the fact that they're not called yellow in Frysian 😉
I'm from Belgium and I fully agree.
@@seppemanderick497 Same bro! Ik ook!
I’m from any country that isn’t Brussels and I agree
I just found out Brussels isn’t a country, and I apologize
I'm from Brussels and I fully agree.
Me too! Let's goo
yo same
"Belgian beurocratic document"
"You'd think that would clear up any misunderstanding."
No, you really wouldn't think that.
I'm getting CGP Grey vibes.
CavCave looks like a copy paste
It's not very subtle at all...
Much more elaborate and time consuming ones? Potatoes 2: Pomato boogaloo?
"Military-grade laser pointer"
I’m happy to have more videos altogether
I just hope the quality won’t degrade
Looks like a logo of a health center, clinic or hospital to me.
yeah, or a spa
it looks like two droplets being squirted from under a heart, so I though it symbolizes some kind of historical fountain that they have, or a spring , or something else water-related 💦. But your comment about health-something makes sense as well, so I think spa is the best match :D
Every person in Brussels and the surroundings thinks the old flag was better. The good thing is that most people still use the old flag regardless.
Friesland doesn't have hearts, it has pompeblad/lily pad/seeblatt. The flag of the neighboring Ommelanden region does have hearts though.
OlofTheOrange ssshhh someone acknowledged Friesland, that’s more than we could’ve ever asked for.
Personally I like the new flag. It follows CGP Grey’s rule of being simple and easy to draw
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🤣
😉
Atleast the old one does look like a flower.
the new one my brain was, a heart and two yellow drops....?? and was even more confused when you said it was a flower
As someone living in Brussels, I, and most people, prefer by a LARGE amount the old flag. It was so much nicer looking !
There are places with awful flags that could use a redesign. This isn't one of those
4:11 *those hearts on the frisian flag are supposed to be frisian Lilly pads.
A lot of Frisians confuse them for hearts due to the similar shape
they dont even look like lilypads either
At least the capital region has a flag.
London doesn't have a flag but the City of London does
4:10 those aren't hearts on the flag of Friesland they are pompeblêden, known in English as waterlilies
Just curious , why are the Waterlilies red instead of green ..?
Ok boomer
@@bryankelly335 they are based on byzantine images of the of clubs (playing cards) the byzantines used red and gold interchangeably in heraldics. The reason it shows up in Friesland(and Scandinavia) is because of the varangian guard) the Scandinavians morphed the image to something they were familiar with waterlilies
Hmm , sounds interesting ..
Looks like I need to do some research ..
Thank you for the explanation
Late to the party, but:
The german city of Weimar has hearts in it's coat of arms. And a lion!
Very cute tbh
Brussels's flag looks like a ... Brussels sprout
Funny, I thought that as well. The flag would definitely do better with that description
The Friesland flag's "hearts" aren't supposed to be hearts, they are supposed to be lillypads, or "pompeblêden" in Frysian.
Those "hearts" on the frisian flag are also flowers, (specifically the flower of the water lilly) goes to show that people just have a hard time simplifying flowers into anything that isnt a heart.
The old flag kinda looks like an airline logo.
Lol
Nah mate it looks a women's beauty magazine commercial
The RGB thing is interesting, because RGB is underspecified. There are multiple ways of taking numbers for red, green, and blue and turning them into lights on a screen. Maybe it worked on the designer’s monitor but not other peoples’
@@klhjglkjhlkjhlkjhlkjh Is there a standard that matches the other color schemes?
0:32 that flag looks really nice actually
It's his opinion
CGP who? Nah, that's an original drawing
These are NO hearts on the Friesland flag. These are leaves of a water plant. And they represent the 7 frisian islands.
Until I was 10 I thought that the old brussels flag was a banana peel
4:12 i hate to be that guy but they’re lilly pads not hearts.
CMYK is a subtractive color scheme (all colors combined results in black) mainly used for printers to represent color from screens (which use RGB as additive color scheme (all colors combined results in white)). CMYK colors on screens look strange some times. I guess the RGB version on screens is the right one and looks like it should (even if it doesn't look that great). Nice video - as always - though :)
I prefer the old one, but, especially with the CMYK colors, the new one really isn't bad at all. I quite like it
Oh yeah, I love vexolology, please make more flag nerd content, I eat that shit up like nobodys business!
Oh yeah. That design is not the worst. American cities and flags don't mix...
Vexillology: no complicated patterns or symbols, flags should be easy enough a child can draw it
Vexillology: ew that flag looks like a child drew it, hideous, don't want it
Can be drawn by a child ≠ something designed and drawn by a child.
@@monika.alt197 precisely
Because the first time I saw it it was in a train station adjacent to a street full of brothels. I lived there for 3 years, and for 2 of those I thought the sign pointing towards the exit was actually pointing to 'the place where you ejaculate'.
4:12 those are lily pads, not hearts
they’re not even good lily pads
Looks like a Microsoft Paint Project.
Excuse Moi a tout les citoyens de Brussels.
dont want to sound like a dick but if u want to excuse you to all citizens of brussels u woud want to say it in french and dutch. maybe in german because its also a national language but only a very small percentage speeks it.
lkevsan non mais vraiment cest de la merde
@@s_vb2220 Although German is not a language of Brussel and apart from the occasional legislator from Liège province and all the legislation, nobody needs to speak German.
The flag is symbolic of the fact that noone in brussels understands eachother
this flag makes ikea sad
As Brusseleir, I completely agree, I want my original iris flag for my city, not a heart logo
I see two scorpion claws protecting a heart. Not good.
I live in Brussels and it pains my heart. I also like the older one (aka the banana peal flag) more.
"a yellow iris", that's a grey heart and 2 yellow splatters. and those colour values.... srsly did anyone look at the thing before passing the bill?
Wait until you learn about the new coat of arms for madrid, which looks like an 8 year old tried making a version of the coat of arms on Microsoft Paint during a boring computing class in school
Had to research this.. Is that a bear?!!! The fruit are literally circles.
Oh god. That is horrendous.
@@UDumFck the tree's leaves its an MS pain green oval....
As i said, something a kid would draw while board in class
It looks like a falling heart that's splitting a heart that was already there...
CMYK and Pantone are meant for printing purposes. Often times CMYK will look different from an equivalent RGB value if compared on a screen. I bet if you tried to get the CMYK image printed up at a commercial printer that calibrates their machines to properly match CMYK or Pantone values you'd end up with the image similar to the RGB image you see on screen. Provided your screen calibration isn't entirely screwed up.
Also, if you look up Pantone 072 (the blue specified for the flag) even on screen you can see it is meant to be a brighter blue. But I have to say it again. CMYK and Pantone are not meant to be used for screens, they are meant for printing. For Pantone you can even order books with color swatches so that you can compare your prints and make sure your machines are calibrated correctly for Pantone printing.
So... the ugly colors are totally on purpose then?
@@ninjafruitchilled Whether you consider them ugly is up to you. However, the colors chosen are consistent which is all I was trying to point out.
here's a thought for every time you see this flag in the wild:
it looks like a butt giving birth to another butt
Ok I'll be honest, I didn't recognize it specifically was an iris, but I did recognize it as a flower.
Took me almost 2/3 of the video when he said it was supposed to be something else.
Didn't help I was truing to see an eye shape
I like the shorter formats with more frequent uploads, I hope you consider doing series that are like animated mini-docs.
Thanks for the feedback.
Could elaborate what you consider animated mini-docs? Anything to compare it to?
@@Tapakapa I would venture to say, Simple History (TH-cam channel) makes "mini" documentaries. Under 10 minutes but about a specific subject. Your videos on the mafia and Yakuza come to mind.
@@joelromero6074 this is a great idea! Shorter videos all broadly related to one topic. Like a mini-series
@@Tapakapa I guess the best I could compare this idea to is a mixture of like a "borders" by Vox series, half as interesting videos, and how Kurzgestat did their series on nuclear energies. I understand that this is like the biggest ask ever cause the editing for something like this would be incredibly high but I think it'd be incredible see a subject that's tied together by a common tread but have their own interesting parts like the recent CGP videos on New York City but animated and shorter. It's always great to see videos by you regardless if you go into shorter or longer content. Many Thanks! Raven
I was literally watching another video one of your videos when the notification came, congrats on 100k subscribers and keep up the great work!
It looks like a weird Walmart
Unpopular opinion: If you fix the colors, it becomes a great flag.
Unpopular indeed
Still worse than the old one imo
The "hearts" on Frieslands flag aren't hearts they're pompes, small water leaves
I like the style of the video! More flag, seal and logo stories please!!
Small mistake, the flag of Fryslân doesn't depict hearts, but pompeblêden, which is Frisian for water lily.
Huh, interesting. Thanks for that.
I'm guessing the red color is not by chance, though.
japan redesigned their flag once.
the slightly changed the hue of the red circle in the middle.
wasn't that a actual thing that happened when Japan lost WW2.
can't tell if you are joking or not
also they centered it
@@Jim_Underscore it's real
Dr Tapakapa presents Fun with Flags. Make it a series!
I think CMYK with a solid yellow center petal is a stellar flag, albeit a bit generic
It doesn’t even look bad, especially compared to some American city flags
American States too...
FunFoxVladimir Rădescu Some American States ones look good though
Oweniee 21 Colorado is one of my favorite flags of all time
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Reminds me of the Japanese prefecture flags
I like this format, as I listen to your videos while doing other stuff, and only occasionally look at the screen. You could even make an audio only and I would listen
I love watching your videos in the morning 😂😂
CONGRATS ON 100.000
Congrats on 100k subscribers!
I literally watched this right after your time zone video and you said “let’s stop wasting your time” or something like that lol
Really liked the video, even if short, keep up the good work!
100k, good job man. Congratulations from Italy
Congratulations for 100 000 Abos!
Please have my algorithm point KappaMan.
Actually, the Frysian flag does not use hearts. Instead it uses "pompeblêden", which is Frysian for lilypads
I'm pretty sure it would have been possible to design a stylized/more 2D looking Iris which is both easy to draw AND actually looks like a flower. Because when you said "Iris" the first time I unironically assumed you mean the eye-iris because it absolutely doesn't look like any kind of flower.
I love your videos so much :) I learn a lot with you. I'm happy to have more in little tidbits too... Even about seemingly pointless things, I mean, I find information entertaining :)
Can't tell it's a flower but the two bottom left color variations look better.
Companies simplifying logos be like:
THE FLAG NEW FLAG OF BRUSSELS IS NOT A BIT BAD. ITS HORRIBLE
Edit:I made this comment 7 mouth ago. My past self can fr** himself bc i like the flag now.
Alright, I was underselling there.
@demir niue ITS NOT HORRIBLE.???
1:ITS SO... SO... KDVEBDKDHVSMS
2:its just horrible
Wow, I'm actually from Belgium myself and didn't know anything about this, great video! :)
So the flag is fine, they just made a mistake on the colours in their document. As a Belgian though, I really associated that first flag with Brussels, even if I never knew it was meant to represent a flower. They shouldn't have dropped that one in the first place.
Since I know you're from Vienna too I like your channel even more
A slight nuance here: you said that the flag for Brussels-Capital Region was created because the city had grown out of the old city boundaries, but it's actually because it is a sort of autonomous region of Belgium so it has its own parliament and government and so on, like Flanders and Wallonia. (You can compare it with the U.S. states: they all have their own parliament, but fall under the greater rule of the national parliament.) For an outsider, this seems ridiculus, especially when you know that the Brussels-Capital Region is completely surrounded by Flanders, but let's not dive too much into Belgian politics, because it's a mess!
I love these videos. :D
5:04: No I just see a random mess of lines.
Im from Belgium and my brain hurts cuz of it
Great video, I love talking about flags, but the Brussels Capital Region still has a flag lightyears ahead of most state flags in the United States.
clearly its two fried chicken legs with a heart symbol in the middle
Thanks for making more videos! I missed them.
As far as flag design goes, I think the new flag is better than the old one. Sure you can't tell that it's a flower, but I think flags should be clearly distinguishable from far away, and easy to draw, and the new flag is both.
I have to say you only see that flag used as logos, or at least that's my personal experience of when I was in Brussels
Flag designers: This looks nice.
Tapakapa: Imma end this man's whole career.
I'm going against the grain here and say that I like the new flag more than the old one.
What I'd do is just recolour the heart to the same yellow and call it a day.
Well, it's need some readjustment but I would say that at least I could recognize the flag.
The flag of my town also have some issues with the image on the official document description. The image shows a mural crown over the cost of arms whereas the description mentions a royal crown. Even the motto is wrongly wrote on the image.😞
It had been like this for up to 20 years.
Still better than half of the state flags.
Which doesn't say much.
At least my state (Arizona) has really good flag
@@TBAnimations Hey! I live in AZ too!
@@timmyalexandranova noice
Great video, I think this kind of subject lends itself well to sparser animations
You are definitely CGP Grey #2, you actually freaking upload
This video was great!
I know quality over quantity is important, but I think a lot of TH-camr's take it to far and get wrapped up in perfectionism (CGP Grey comes to mind). Would love to see more videos like this :)
Keep it up and congrats on 100k!
I really don't mind, I don't dwell the TH-cams as much as I used to, but stopping by every so often and seeing an upload from an uncommon channel like CGP or Kurzgesagt is a joy, a well crafted video is better than a more common one imo.
ah yes my taxes, hard at work.
The one who designed it must've loved Undertale
If He loved undertale, then it would pe pixel Art. And i swear, DO NOT WOOOSH. I WILL SPAM YOU.
@@parlophonerecords112 nah, it kinda looks like the Dreemur emblem.
@@parlophonerecords112 wosh
i don't really see the delta rune in it tbh
Interesting, keep it up
I thought you drew a simplified rendition of the Brussels flag
then I googled it
I for one, really like the flag :)
Mate wait until you see the candidates for the failed NZ flag referendum of 2016/2017.
Anyone can make a bad flag, but it takes a boatload of idiots to get such a bad flag to actually represent the Capital Region of a country with such impeccable history of excellent flags.
@@Quintinohthree It's still not crowd-sourcing logos as candidates for a national flag and submitting them for consideration and short-list selection by a panel with no experts on flags or graphical design.