Why South Korea Censors its Maps
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2020
- A quick look into South Korea's map service policy, Google's fight for better map data, and the companies profiting from the situation.
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#GoogleMaps #SouthKorea #Map #Censorship #North Korea
Pssst, change the title to: Why North Korea google maps is better than South Korea google maps
Watch the views fly in :)
And that is actually true
It seriously is lmao
Yoooooooo
...or just copy CGP Grey's character to lure in more views!
Oh, wait.
@@Panzermeister36 i mean, is a stick figure, with glasses, anybody can do a stick figure with glasses, so, no, it really isn't, and because you don't have a lot of details about the other character, which is a stickman, any detail is going to be considered as a different character
A Korean person here; South Korean citizens actually protested the censorship of Google Maps (mainly due to the fact that they could not play pokemon go, no joke) and the law was pretty close to making an exception for Google. However, those giants at Kakao and Naver lobbied the crap out of the government, and it is still censored.
I can attest that the former statement is 100% true.
Naver maps do suck though
Google wanted to take military sensitive raw data to a server outside of South Korean government jurisdiction. That's why the government forbade it.
@@doctorjustice What difference does it make where the servers are if the content is accessible worldwide? Sure, if things escalate into full war, the locally installed servers could be shut to make sure the enemy doesn't have access to the content, but wouldn't the enemy have used e.g. Naver maps to update their own maps beforehand? What kind of military would use any foreign civilian map app on smartphones during a full war, instead of preparing maps of their own beforehand?
@@enginerd80 you realise many many countries have laws specifically for keeping certain data in the country itself? Not to mention Google is avoiding paying taxes on said data/servers
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Tapakapa Valley Girl: 8:39
Looks like they changed it recently, now you can see locations and reviews but seems like directions still don't work
The fact the north korean pie has no topping made me laugh
Good catch 😆
It should just be an empty pie crust
Isaac Karjala yeah
but it's inaccurate, Kim has a great sweets factory, not many people benefit from it though :x
You just made me realize that!!! LOL
Fun fact about South Korea: A lot of infrastructure was constructed with the idea that they can also serve to slow down a North Korean invasion, with some major highways equipped with anti-tank obstacles above the road that can be blown up and made to collapse onto the road, and some bridges designed with specific spots where explosives can be placed to destroy the bridge.
Although I think if NK did invade, their soldiers would defect upon seeing how much nicer it is down here lol
Theres an entire city (ilsan) thats designed so that the South korean military will have an upper hand in urban combat during an invasion
They must have some very grey haired engineers after designing bridges with few designed points of failure lol
imagine the war break out and as soon as the north korean soldiers cross the border they somehow become defectors XD
@@lachychops2 its actually quite common
most bridges over the rhine here in germany are made like that, we also have tons of special obstacels all around the country to blow up roads, tunnels etc...
They have those in NK too, they also have certain bridges where there are these big blocks that are stacked on either side of the road, with wooden beams wedged under them so that they remain balanced. If the road needs to be blocked to advancing tanks, you destroy the wedges which disturbs and dislodges the unsteady blocks and they fall into the road. Still not as cool as dropping a whole overpass though!
Could you imagine people mistakenly thinking North and South Korea are similar because of how google maps is censored?
South Korea was a military dictatorship until the 90's.
I just revisited this video, and I find it quite entertaining! This video provides not only some comedic skits (the speech at 4:39, the "forest" at 6:53, and the self-conversation at 7:14), but an informative look into the digital mapping of Korea. After all, as you said at 4:08, it is quite odd that a North Korean labor camp would be easier to access via Google Maps than someone's hotel in Seoul! Thanks for the video!
"about as useful as a map made of paper"
so.... very useful actually
Yes! When compared to a paper map!
But also in the wind
ok boomer
The point is that the paper map will never update. You'll have an increasingly outdated and eventually obsolete map. That's why people used to buy a new Atlas every so often, because information changes. It also can't give directions, provide traffic information, business hours, or photos. A paper map also won't have as much details, such as side streets, addresses, etc.
@@bobsondugnutt9914 That usually takes decades to be outdated, and it wouldn't be off by a lot unless some major disaster happened that dramatically changed the landscape of a country/continent.
UPDATE:
Seems like Google finally got proper map data of South Korea. It now looks no different than other places. Very cool.
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Since a few of you asked:
- Why is Apple Maps not censored?
Apple Maps uses all kinds of data sources, including OpenStreetMap, which features user-collected map data. Thousands of people collecting location data can't be easily stopped from doing so, unlike huge companies like Google. Because of that grassroots approach, OSM data can't really be effectively censored. I wanted to put all that info about OSM into the video too, but you see how long it got already, so I scrapped that part.
- How can there be Google Street View in South Korea?
Because collecting images for Street View is fundamentally different from collecting map data. You might need coordinates for both, but I assume the images from Street View do not count as map material in the definition of the Spatial Data Industry Promotion Act, so there's no legal ground for prohibiting Google Street View in South Korea.
Actually Apple Maps are worse than google here in Korea. They 'try' to give you driving and walking directions, but instead get you lost and even put you on the wrong side of town. At least Google Maps give you the correct public transit info. But really just use Kakao and Naver, they give really accurate traffic information, they will tell you the exact time buses and metros arrive, will let you hail and pay a taxi on the map, and people can just message you with their app to pinpoint their exact location. I wish Apple and Google maps worked as well in the US as Naver and Kakao work in Korea. In conclusion, I'd use Kakao and Naver in Korea even if Google/Apple had accurate data, because they are superior products. Also, Waze works pretty well in Korea too.
The same is going to happen in Turkey.
@@MichaelSidneyTimpson wait, are you sure that still happens? Did it even happen to you? A lot of people shame apple for Apple Maps getting people lost. But that was more than 5 years ago, it works very well for me now. I don't live in the US
@@RodrigoFerreira-bs6hd It's very hit or miss here, in some parts around military bases you're stuck zoomed way out so you can't actually see where the hell you are.
"homogeneous" is pronounced "ho-mo-JEE-nee-us" (5 syllables), not "ho-MO-ge-nous" (4 syllables). (Don't feel bad. This is a common mistake derived from the verb form of the word, "ho-MO-ge-nize".)
You are the new CGP Grey of TH-cam yay i can see 2 videos/month
I think China may have stopped shifting Google Maps unless I am mistaken. Case in point: I've been going to Shanghai for years and it has always been super-annoying to use shifted maps to locate anything (to the extent I'd shift back and forth between Google's and DiDi's maps to get an accurate idea where I actually was). Last December though, lo and behold- the Google Maps suddenly were showing my correct location. Maybe I just got lucky?
DuckDuckGo, man of culture I see.
@Jonathan de Kock OceanHero too!
HERESY!! REPENT AND ACCEPT CHROME INTO YOUR HEARTS!!
Not as Good as Google but still good in 2nd place 🤣😂🤦♂️
Tom Johnson I don’t trust OceanHero when it comes to privacy.
@@chuck_norris
DuckDuckGo gets data from Google as well as others, so it's actually better. And it also doesnt engineer search results for you soooo
SK: you can't have accurate maps in the Republic of Korea
Google: nooooooo you can't just take away the free dissemination of information nooooooooooooooooooo
NK: you're banned here
Google: We know
Seeing the abbreviations SK and NK instead of KR and KP was at first confusing.
there actually are very accurate maps in South Korea. Just not Google maps. We use naver maps here which are actually much better than google maps.
@@user-vq1wr4de7b thanks, didn't know that!
@@Liggliluff Why KR and KP? I’ve never heard of those acronyms before!
@@DrWhoFanJ i guess one is korean republic and other is korean panda
오우 구글지도는 달랐구나.. 처음 알았어요! 유익한 영상 감사합니다❤❤
Guys! I'm so moved as a Korean right now. Google Maps in Korea has been updated! I can recognize the shape of the building, and I can recognize the road number and subway line! However, road information and navigation are not working, but it's still good that the map has been updated.
I'm newly stationed over here and it's really interesting to understand why tf my maps wasn't working lol. also you showed my barracks!
Use the application kakaomaps and/or tmaps, both comes in android and ios. Thank me later
Or Waze. It was the goto navigation app when i was stationed in Camp Humphreys.
kakao has all the map/public transportation apps you need
"Hwasong-6 Wants to Know Your Location."
:P
I'm not saying you aren't but please be sensible and don't act like the other American soldiers there
ive been trying to convince my chinese partner that something was wrong with google maps in korea for weeks and thought something seemed off about it for years now but could never quite tell what it was or if i was going crazy
thanks!
you could probably google why google maps sucks in korea...and then realize u can use naver maps or kakaomaps instead
R*ce m*xing?
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v yes, and what’s the issue?
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v nothing wrong with it, people are people
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v There's no problem in race mixing
So informal! Thank you!
As a Korean American, I love that valley girl skit. I cannot say that I am surprised by South Korea's protectionism monopoly. It all comes down to how the South Korean modern economy was developed especially when these tech giants essentially dominate the South Korean market and contribute to South Korea's lion share of the GDP.
Korea and the US both
Another ignorant tankie
I am South Korean. Nobody uses Google map as a map.. it's not useful to us. We use map that made in Korea. ex) Naver map
ㅇㅇ 그래서 영상에서 구글꺼 안된다고 네이버나 카카오꺼 쓰라고 했잖슴
예시를 들어준거지이이이이ㅣㅣ잉
어쩐지 카카오 맵이 훨씬 좋더라
The Republic of Korea is a free democratic country, but it has no choice but to censor it for security because of the close war with North Korea.
The South Korean government asked Google to identify military facilities.
However, Google turned down the offer as an excuse for its right to know.
Also, Google has asked for more accurate guidance from the Korean government, and Korea is a warring country, and cannot take accurate maps abroad. However, if you use Korea's Kakao Map and Naver Map, you can know exactly.
(Google is not even covering satellite images of U.S. Forces Korea.) [Koreans are also aware of this. ]
대한민국은 자유민주주의 국가이지만, 가까이 있는 북한과 전쟁 때문에 보안을 위해서 검열을 할 수 밖에 없다.
한국정부는 군사시설을 가려달려고 구글에 요청했다.
하지만, 구글은 알 권리를 위한다는 변명으로 거절했다.
또한, 구글은 한국정부에 더 정확한 지도를 요구 했으며, 한국은 전쟁 중인 국가로서, 정확한 지도를 해외로 반출할 수 없다. 하지만, 한국의 카카오지도와 네이버지도 등을 이용한다면 정확히 알 수 있다.
(구글은 심지어 주한미군부대 위성사진도 가리지 않고 있다.) [ 이 사실을 한국인들도 역시 알고 있다. ]
Dude that exactly what this vid is all about shutup and watch the video
Alternative theory as to why Bing Maps has more detailed maps - Microsoft and Samsung have a partnership (which is why Microsoft apps have been pre-installed on Samsung phones in recent years). Samsung's own apps may rely on Bing's data rather than Google's.
Samsung and Google cooperate a *lot* on Android/phone development. I can't imagine there isn't some explicit partnership involved there.
bing nc
@@travcollier Android is open source. While initially started by Google, Samsung, Microsoft, and a bunch of other companies and independent developers have contributed to Android.
Anyways... why is it a problem to buy a printed map in a local store and navigate by that.
People did this for centuries when the internet was not exist.
@@tovarishcheleonora8542 there's nothing *inherently* wrong with that, but here's a few anyway: a paper map doesn't have a search engine, nor can it give you directions, it generates waste, and it costs money. It's not like there aren't good reasons why digital maps made paper ones obsolete _very_ quickly.
You seem to have completely missed the point for the sake of making an "ok, boomer"-worthy petty complaint.
This channel is really cool!
Channels using animation like this one are some of the best channels
Did google forgot they are still in war with north korea?
Their entire infrastructure is design in case of Urban invasion, which is pain in the ass for a lot of architect
It is NOT still in war. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panmunjom_Declaration
@@Dimention11th Nah, it is. Its not a peace treaty, just declaration of cooperation for peace treaty. Which is big different. Y'know NK blew that liaison building or smth up right?
@@Dimention11th Second paragraph, "...agreed to cooperate on officially ending the Korean War..." They haven't ended it yet, only agreed to try to end it.
@@Dimention11th sorry it is we are still at war
@@Dimention11th nah we're still at war
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I can think of more underrated ones
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If it wasn't for "Tapakapa erklärt"
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vitali I literally only clicked this video because I thought it was CGPGrey. Who is this knock off?
7:20 This is actually hilarious. Very similar to Sam'o'nella academy. Interesting video, and some good comedy leads to great videos. Keep it up!
When I saw the thumbnail I thought it was cgp grey for a second. Then I clicked. Congrats you got a new sub
Funnily enough, Apple Maps seems to have a dynamic map in South Korea with full walking and driving directions, yet doesn’t censor its satellite images. Hmm.
I doubt anyone trusts Apple Maps, so they are not seen as a threat in South Korea... or in any other country really.
They partly get their data from OpenStreetMap, a kind of Wikipedia for user-collected map data.
I am still then, confused why Google doesn't do the same. Why would only Google be fed with bad data?
@@prometheus7387 I'm not sure but I THINK it might be because some map companies put fake locations on their maps so they can tell if another company is illegally copying them by also having those fake locations that they wouldn't have if they actually did their own surveys. If Google used user generated map data, there would be no way to have those fake places, and anyone could copy google maps
Nah, I tried using Apple Maps here, it’s nowhere near as complete as Kakao or Naver.
I'm confused why can't Google just do the same thing in South Korea that they did in North Korea, having users fill in the map?
They totally could. Only, the resulting map would lack lots of details. Plus, it's illegal, and Google wouldn't want trouble with the South Korean government.
@@Tapakapa Ah, so they're not allowed to; I see. Thanks for replying.
so why are mapping platforms like OpenStreetMap have the data where it is all user-generated maps.
@@apeami8953 I'm guessing they have no presence in South Korea and don't care about pissing off the S. Korean government, whereas Google would like to keep a friendly relationship.
@@Tapakapa kind of strange censoring crowd sourced map. This is equally the same as censoring free speech.
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Google had their own maps of South Korea, it's only been like a year and half or so since they changed it for those pre-rendered ones.
Yeah, I remember being in Korea in 2018 and using Google Maps for navigating without any issues.
Damn, you brought your A-game with the bits in this video! Entertaining and curiously informative stuff 👍
You can use OpenStreetMaps for South Korea routing
yes, a little disappointing that there was no mention of OSM.
Lol, while I leisurely use Kakaomap and it even tells me when my bus will arrive and when the next subway train will come. Who needs Google map? 🤷♀️
Well those features actually work too with Google Maps in other countries (such as Japan). So, yeah :)
Violet Kim Google maps literally tells you the same thing lmao, you just haven’t experienced it cause it’s censored
@@orcas101 Do they tell you if the bus is full or not?
Violet Kim yea, users who use the route can input data on how packed the bus was and if there was delay
@@orcas101 so users have to do that???? The system won't do it itself?
I live in South Korea and I still use Google Maps out of habit. My first year there it was the only available map in English since I had no idea about Bing Map being a thing. Now Kakao and Naver have an English version but my first reflex is still to open google maps. And it's not that bad, I mean yes they don't give you directions , but they tell you where is the place you want to go and where you actually are and you can see your position at any time thanks to your GPS .So really it's no bother at all, I don't need an app to know where I'm supposed to turn right I can perfectly see this by myself on the map.
I love your new bits :) interacting with yourself and the end one liner "Banishing foreign giants in favor of local ones" it's cool :) keep up the good work !
Having walked in circles through Seoul to find our AirBnB this is too real. Bizarrely, directions for the train network are still as reliable as Tokyo. Somehow, our colleagues with a Chinese app were also able to find better restaurants than we could in Japanese or English.
Do Chinese apps accept user recommendations?
In Korea,some important secret places like military forts are usually censored.If you want to see these secret places,just use Google map or Google earth.
2:37
s.k: here ya go! *hands over shite map*
Google: uhhhhhh....
s.k: I SAID HERE YA GO *MŒTHËRF*ÇKÊR*
this is why pokemon go took a couple years to come over- they can't use google maps for it here.
except for two cities in northeast(right beneath NK).
I was living near Busan when that game was released. It was nuts, busses of travelers were filled to go to those small northeast villages when it was discovered the game works there. Local businesses were very happy lol.
Pokemon Go uses OpenStreetMaps.
I'm my experience visiting South Korea a few times, Naver Maps is usually the best option! Also side note, Uber is pretty bad over there. Kakao T is much better than Uber and does pretty much the same thing just cheaper and quicker.
Probably because taxi drivers over here threw a fuss over uber coming to South Korea (like everywhere else).
Uber became illegal in S. Korea...
@@Dave-hn5tl In Italy happened the same..
Your humor and videos is the reason i actually get good grades ;-;
Yeah i used Naver Maps during my 2018 trip. Thank goodness for the english version.
This channel is getting more creative, and kind of crazy, and I approve
On the one hand: That seems incredibly obtuse on South Korea's side and there HAS to be some form of compromise that is better for everyone. On the other hand I love watching Google get stuffed because of all the data harvesting and selling they do on a daily basis. I'm torn lol
Why would South Korea want to compromise? They get absolutely nothing out of any compromise.
Better for everyone? More like better for NK and China, lol.
@@BrakeCoach well you could just send someone to go scout, plus I bet China would just have its own photos. Like it wouldn't be hard to get around the problem if you were planning a war.
@@user-gr2dr5sw8o not surprising from the big G
They should because it's freakin' stupid the satellite photos are available anyone can make a map from them..... it's not a secret and there's no benefit to south korea by denying map companies images and data... they can't control the satellites and there are no secrets...
Wow they updated it, now you can properly zoom in on South Korea
Thanks for your sharing 👍
Honestly think this is your best video yet! Great job!
Korean domestic giants were slain before, mostly in the automotive sector. In a way, regulating the foreign competition strongly has fostered growth in national companies that care more for their users at home rather than emerging markets. Makes competition extremely fierce though, as all market share is eaten so fast and so early.
...or removes competition entirely, creating monopolies and a breeding ground for corruption and other crimes
We need similar stuff in America. We need an American Nintendo
In case someone is wondering how to get around seoul with actual directions - kakao maps. It's a life saver.
Edit: got to the part of the video talking about the language issues of kakao maps. They're not that bad, but knowing the korean alphabet will be a major help, especially in cities outside of Seoul. Luckily hangeul isn't hard and can be learned pretty quickly.
"When showing South Korean Military Bases-"
*shows USAF Osan Air Base*
Edit: A bit late, but South Korea adopted vector maps like the rest of the world.
Well, that's as close as you can get
Does google map show Camp Humphreys?
@@CBRN-115 It shows all maps of bases like the entirety of South Korea.
The exception is the Google Earth Pro application, where South Korea is displayed with the same quality as anywhere else; high quality. This means bases like Camp Humphreys are in high-definition.
You can see the military bases and airports with high-res by just simply turning off the labels.
because you cannot show South Korean bases.
Me: Mom I want CGPGrey!
Mom: We have CGPGrey at home.
CGPGrey at home:
thats kinda mean
but funny
It's accurate
I'd be lying if I didn't admit to clicking on this video thinking it was CPGGray and then being confused when I heard someone else's voice.
I don't know if the art style was intentionally similar so that it would get people like me to click on his videos,, but Tapakapa's content seems to be pretty good nonetheless.
Oof that's so real
I’m not the only one that had that same thought 😅
Yoo, finally I got a notification in time!
You've earned a subscriber, keep up the entertaining stuff! Stay healthy and try to sleep well!
lived in korea for years and still go on travel there regularly, always used google maps, never had any issue finding anything or getting anywhere. its really not as bad as this video makes you want to believe.
말이 되는 소릴 해라.
Just take a moment to appreciate the effort put into the background noises at the beginning
Well, a city should sound like a city, no? ^_^
OH , THERE'S A STARBUCKS IN THE MIDDLE OF A FORREST. BUT YOU GOTTA GO TO SOUTH KOREA TO FIND IT
I didn't know about Naver and Kakao at first when I went to South Korea for the first of my two weeks trip. So for the first few week I used Google Maps and getting lost almost everywhere. But on the bright side, everyone there was so nice they actually help me even before I asked for their help
its kind of inconsistent though, for example, at 1:59 you see camp henry is blanked out on the map, but there is actually another military installation (camp george) visible in the screen capture that does have roads and buildings marked. Also for those unaware, these are mostly US military bases.
To be fair i wouldn't trust google with my data either.
yet, here you're, having a google account, watching youtube...
Hypocrite
@@ZakTheKaiju and yet here i am, not giving them any real info. amazing.
@@ismailfaalih9559 How so?
@@GhostsGraphics Search history?
If you ever find urself running around South Korea....
Classic intro for a classy TH-camr
*wildly flails arms*
It could happen to all of us!
@@Tapakapa sure.... anyone who does that should be called the "windmill warrior" :D
Man... this explains so much. I was in Korea last summer and found it impossible to walk around Seoul
One day in Seoul, I wanted to take a walk on the green hill next to my place that the map showed, I ended up in front of a military base
The low quality resolution of some maps in some countries is INFURIATING for architecture students. Sometimes we get precedents to analyse from abroad and I remember how annoying it was using google maps to scope out Bibliotheca Alexandrina in Egypt. Only spot photos from street level and blurry af. Found drawings online thank Christ but if I hadn’t I would have been fucked trying to make sense of it from Google maps 😂
When I did a study abroad in Korea (pre-2018) I had to learn some basic Korean to use Naver Maps real fast lol
i rlly loved the outro uwu
I would be curious to see one about Japan or any other asian country. Really cool vid!
0:31 when you realize North Korea has more detail than South Korea
*stonks*
Tapakapa game console when?
Now I would like to have local businesses to have their own countries maps made so that the data would be much more accurate, updated to the local changes (like contra lane, road closure rerouting) and South Korea's point, security safety privacy.
I learned this video the hard way.
My friends and I were in Seoul last November, and we were "near" the Seoul Tower, according to Google Maps, and tbh, we could see it just "a bit farther" (duh, it's big.). The app showed us that it was just a "straight path" from where we were, on the way to the Tower. So we were like, hey, the weather's pretty good (it was around 1 degree Celsius at around 8:30 PM, not that much wind), why don't we just walk the distance (just a 30 mins walk according to Google Maps). We began walking through some sideroads, as Google said.
Ooooooooh, boy. 40 minutes later, the sideroads seemed to not be ending, the Seoul Tower was not getting closer, and the straight path seemed more and more false. A few more minutes later, we called it quits and called for a KakaoTaxi (smth like Uber) to take us to nearer to the tower. The taxi ride took us about 10 more minutes from where we stopped, and the taxi was going FAST. On the taxi, we saw how far we were, and how elevated the rest of the roads up were. We also realized that there was no way we would've gotten to the Tower even if we walked for the rest of the night, just because the sideroads were IN NO WAY connected to the actual roads going to the Tower.
We were also wearing business suits during this hike.
Why Bing has accurate map data? My educated guess - they run the South Korean part of their map service from South Korea (which is why that map takes ages to load outside of South Korea)
Because Microsoft has more experience respecting data privacy than Google...
You can see they have Azure data centers there if you look at Azure Regions map online.
2:25 "Don't worry, I'm taking the best of care of everybody's data" sounded sarcastic coming from a Google persona...
When I went to Seoul the first time, we tried using Google Map... at least someone suggested Naver Map which was very useful
Fun fact, though I am not sure if this is still the case, but Facebook used to have some really old map data, from 1950s I assume. For example, Jamsil in Seoul (where 1988 Olympic happened) was actually an island in the northern side of the Han River. IIRC a flood or two changed the flow of the river and after some kind of land reclamation It changed into a huge landmass in southern bank of the river. However, Facebook's map used to show the old "island" version of Jamsil. Also, if you are in outskirt of Seoul (for example, in Gangnam), it used to recognize your location as outside of Seoul, since that part wasn't integrated into Seoul back in 50s.
Also, on Google thing: I wouldn't say this is the actually true, but interesting speculation. Some in SK think that Google has so much power, that it is actually deliberately not updating map to get a permission to get the data outside of SK. Since Google is already pretty strong in SK, thanks to Android phones, along with Pokemon Go stuff, people actually want to use Google map. On the other hand, Google doesn't have any strong incentive to make SK map up to date. 1. Taxi-like businesses are also strongly regulated in SK that even Uber isn't in SK, 2. There is so much competition going on that they cannot sell map data to 3rd party. There is no way for Google to make money out of map service in SK, even if it serviced. So, they don't have to update it at all, and just waiting (and pressuring the government) for the regulations to be changed.
BUT: Google finally installed an data center in Seoul this February. This means that they could store and stream the data according to Korean regulations, so the map quality would get improved within a year scale, I expect, unless they don't want to. (Sidenote: MS already have datacenter in Seoul and Busan, which could explain why the Bing map is more high-res).
Good news!
Google finally supports vector style map for south korea.
Still, no directions for driving and walking.
9:14 사랑해～
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Ich als Koreanologiestudent in Wien habe sofort dieses Video geklickt, als ich gesehen habe, dass es dieses Video gibt. Auch ich musste feststellen, dass man in Südkorea mit Google Maps nicht besonders weit kommt. Zum Glück gibt es andere Apps, die dort besser funktionieren. ;)
Oh man, the memories... I used to work at Dragon Hill Lodge. But that was about 30 years ago when the eighth army was still headquartered there. I can still see my old high school in the satellite images. heheh
I should go back some day. Bring the family.
What's the song in the outro? It sounds pretty good
(Comment left to get notification about song)
darude - sandstorm
@@zvava not funny my guy
Backup Plan by Paul Mitchell Beebe, www.storyblocks.com/audio/stock/backup-plan-sgvsiuanidrk0wy3ii6.html
btw, the bases that r being sensored arent Korean ones, they're American installations
I was so confused in 2017 when I was in South Korea. Ah it all makes sense now. Thank you very much for this video.
I lived in SK from 2010-2015 and had no problems using maps, including walking directions. My friends used driving directions all the time.
Have things changed?
Thanks to the Patreons for bestowing us peasants with good videos.
If you think (as the comment around 06:30 implies) that Google has the best data you have never used OpenStreetMap. Google might be nicer to find certain things but if you need an accurate map to walk or cycle anywhere it is close to useful compared to OSM.
I do remember Google Maps not working great when I was teaching in Seoul but I never knew this was the reason. I used Naver though and that worked fine.
The first video I watched of Tapakapa!
Also, my favorite ice cream has to be mint chocolate chip.
2:07 Ayyyyy I work on that base.
Simple, Google just need to build a data center in Korea
And pay god damn tax
Fun Fact, Knowledge iN (Naver's Q&A Platform) was the inspiration for Yahoo! Answers.
Was it always this way? I remember a few years ago searching Korean stuff on Google Maps and did not notice any issues.
Naver and Kakao are definitely the superior map choices in Korea.
"Its about as useful as a map made of paper" You mean like all the other maps people have been using to get around for hundreds of years?
Yes.
Yeah I first was confused about this. I first thought "Oh, he meant BLANK paper (with nothing on it), or something."
Then I realised that I might be one of the very few that use google maps like a paper map...
Not gonna lie, ever since I bought my first smartphone at the beggining of the year, traveling in a new city got a bit easier :p.
*Cracks open a Monster Ultra* *Siiiippps Haaaaa* "Yep, paper maps. Those were the days."
Seeing how many skills I have that aren't known by millennials (changing electrical plugs/tyres/lighting fires/not being scared of animals/being able to eat offal/and many, many more things) I reckon paper map reading may well be lost to the general public in a few years.
I wish we'd had smartphones!
@@pd4165 why do you feel the need to boast about skills that fall out of the mainstream when their importance fades?
@@pd4165 ah yes as i shouldnt be scared of a creature who could easily kill me. right.
I used to love lemon two! Now i like stracciatella. I like how it’s simple and still has something interesting.
Naver maps are amazing! They no only got directions but even if the product i was looking for has in that store
Last time I was this early pangea was still around
same niga
@@mattp6244 Laast time I was this early, The solar system was forming...
9:55 wait they’re the ones that own Webtoons and Line?!?!????
Right
They also have a partnership with supercell :)
I have always wondered why south korea was different looking to everywhere else on google maps, makes a lot of sense
Public transport and taxi is the main way to travel in South Korea for foreigners though, heck even for many locals. biking isn't really done, and for walking distance/speed you can just look on the map to see where you're going. the only thing that's sourly missing is car directions, but all that combined it is clearly far from useless.
That being said, it's best to just use their local Naver Maps or Kakao Maps, which do have full functionality.