This period is the best either band ever was. Sure Joy Division were great and New Order were also great, but at this point it was truly a melding of both bands. We get two for one. There is equal amounts of Joy Division in this and New Order in this. Two phenomenal bands in one.
I thought I read once that the foundations for ICB & Dreams Never End were done as Joy Division. I hate to agree with your statement because I am a true JD devotee, but it is the truth.
Well summed, PrincePurple. This does sound very transitional (which to me is a good thing). I’ve always been a much bigger Joy Division fan than a New Order fan (though I have heaps of respect for N.O.), and these recordings tap very satisfyingly into that particular nerve.
Personally, I really appreciate New Order when they broke free from the long shadow cast by Joy Division. Most of the early stuff (which I also appreciate), it seems like they still thought of themselves as a mere extension of JD. Also a bit of denial as the first step in the grieving process is evident in the early stuff. When they were fully immersed in the grief, regret and exorcising the ghost of Ian Curtis, they were at their most powerful and moving. In that process, they found their own unique sound imo.
made me laugh, did the same, doing the same. not just nostalgia, something else as well, music had a lot of feeling then that somehow seems diferent from the feeling in music now. maybe captivating? and it hasn't let go yet?
loopy Ruane - There’s still some great and very honest music being made today. It’s just harder to find. You have to really search and unfortunately sift through a lot of horrible dreck to find it. The big difference between then and now, is that back then there was a cohesive movement taking place, full of new and interesting bands. You’d discover one, and it would open the door for 20 more. Today, the bands are more isolated, and fewer and further between... but they are out there. It doesn’t all have to be nostalgia.
@@Brewzerr can you mention one band name please?? last band that i found that really showed me a new way of music was arcade fire ,, before that i can mention at least 30 band that was a delight to listen!!
I play Joy Division all the time. Their music's been a vital oart of my life since the late 70s. I never liked New Order with the same intensity but the album "Movement" is still an emotional joy that their other albums never were for me. Music can be so individual and personal as well as being popular, all encompassing and àppealing to many at the same time ✌️
This was SO far ahead of its time. As I'm a Kiwi (New Zealander) I have never forgotten entering a bit of a gathering of sorts with a few friends at a hockey/football club after match function around when Blue Monday was released in '83. It (Blue Monday) was playing over the stereo and virtually no one was dancing to it as it just totally seemed to blow people's minds. So (again) I danced by myself to it...think I may have been a wee bit high and the experience was unique - as I say I have never forgotten it.
@@MrBrindleStyle Oh wow that's interesting to learn. Where was the gig? Hope you don't mind me browsing your YT & web page and wow awesome art! Will browse your webpage in more detail later. Did you follow Joy Division at all? I love them! They tended to blow a few minds down here in Invercargill during those late 70s & early 80s. A few friends described their music as 'depressing'...so I had to learn them and said 'sorry it's not depressing, rather it's real'...
Gig was at the student union hall up at Vic uni... a good night. The following year (?) The fall played their hex induction tour... two drummers, one of my favorite albums of theirs, that was a party ...
@@tenakura The Fall...what a loose-as crew. Vocalist/leader Mark E. Smith could sure blow people's minds. Intelligent dude. As I type this I am listening to a song Deer Park [Live, Mainstreet, Auckland, New Zealand, 20 August 1982] part of The Fall's Hex Enduction Hour Tour of NZ. Next song has come up it's called The Classical [Live, Mainstreet, Auckland, New Zealand, 20 August 1982]. I've just imagined combining The Pogues vocalist Shane McGowan, Sex Pistols' Johnny Rotten, Tom Waits, and The Fall's Mark E. Smith singing together a few favorite songs of theirs....could make for some interesting vocals.
I thought I'd heard all JD and NO Peel sessions, buy this one had slipped by me. Great versions of the Movement tracks. Love that album, a brooding, atmospheric masterpiece.
A lovely surprise that they moved on into a new line up and began to record again. That 40 year old photo of Stephen and Gillian looking fresh faced and happy looking at the camera and even Peter Hook seemed well.
I’ve not researched it, but is there a fair bit of influence from Krautrock, Kraftwerk, Neu! in their overall sound? Wouldn’t have been well-known in U.K. at the time. I certainly wasn’t aware of how influential German industrial music was to the U.K. scene for some emerging artists in the 70s. (Now, in my 60s, I see how loved Kraftwerk is. I was so sad to hear of Florian Schneider’s death in, I think, 2021? I recall I had a long drive scheduled & just set the iPod to play everything I had by Kraftwerk. Memorable. So many brilliant bands, JD & NO included).
I didn't really care for New Order in the mid 80's until I heard their earlier Peel Sessions. I still think this is far superior to their later electro pop.
This is priceless.....what joy divisions next step would've been,that said..i currently regard N.O's sesh. over J.D's peel-sesh....and i will kill for jd,most inflentual music evaaaaaaaaa....!
This is first time I had ever heard NO. A friends older brother had a Bootleg 7” EP of this peel session. I heard some of the vinyl bootlegs of New Order from the first few years was actually done on the sly by Rob as way of getting cash for the band. I don’t know how true that is. Anyway I got to see them at Deeside Futurama in September 1982. Blew my mind... they had a few songs from PCL by then.
+David Morgan I remember buying the cassette which only contained four tracks and being blown away by it. Now, over 30 years later I find there was actually more! Great surprise and yes, agreed, better than album versions.
Agreed. I have a ton of respect for their decision to move forward and find their own sound that would distinguish them from Ian’s influence, but the fact is that the darker, moodier atmosphere lends a depth to the music that was sorely missed in later years. In other words, this is simply better. Much better.
I bought Movement after hearing "Everything's Gone Green" and it was disappointing..slow..moody..downbeat..gloomy..still a good listen! New Order released their best songs on E.P.
@@timneave3240 JD sounds large and was massively influential cult band. Dozens of bands listened them and took the same vein. Early NO was very experimental but awkward group with JD fame and found its own path some years later.
Ian Curtis is very missed at this point of time. The band is just foundering around. Although Dreams Never End is a sure hit. Later they will move on to a new sound.
Back in the early '80s, when I was a young teenager, I thought Hooky looked "old" and "parental"(probably because of the beard). But, now that I'm in my late forties.......I look at images of Hooky back then and think, "Wow!! He was so good looking!!"
![New Order - The Peel Sessions 1984 [FULL ALBUM]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ijtA_H87teE/mqdefault.jpg)
Thanks for saving these lads and pointing them forward to greatness 😊 what a musical talent Jillian is. Awesome.😊
This period is the best either band ever was. Sure Joy Division were great and New Order were also great, but at this point it was truly a melding of both bands. We get two for one. There is equal amounts of Joy Division in this and New Order in this. Two phenomenal bands in one.
I thought I read once that the foundations for ICB & Dreams Never End were done as Joy Division. I hate to agree with your statement because I am a true JD devotee, but it is the truth.
Well summed, PrincePurple. This does sound very transitional (which to me is a good thing). I’ve always been a much bigger Joy Division fan than a New Order fan (though I have heaps of respect for N.O.), and these recordings tap very satisfyingly into that particular nerve.
Personally, I really appreciate New Order when they broke free from the long shadow cast by Joy Division. Most of the early stuff (which I also appreciate), it seems like they still thought of themselves as a mere extension of JD. Also a bit of denial as the first step in the grieving process is evident in the early stuff. When they were fully immersed in the grief, regret and exorcising the ghost of Ian Curtis, they were at their most powerful and moving. In that process, they found their own unique sound imo.
Yeah brother even Bernard has said Movement was the third Joy Division album just that he was singing instead of Ian.
Most of their output after PC&L has not dated well at all. They still however put on a good live show around 1986 or thereabouts.
Simply perfect. The first years after Joy Division were probably the creative peak of the band. Post-punk at its finest.
Remember listening to this late a night when I was younger.. and now I'm doing the same 30 odd yrs later
made me laugh, did the same, doing the same. not just nostalgia, something else as well, music had a lot of feeling then that somehow seems diferent from the feeling in music now. maybe captivating? and it hasn't let go yet?
it let u relax veg and trance out at night think esp with head phones in high school
loopy Ruane - There’s still some great and very honest music being made today. It’s just harder to find. You have to really search and unfortunately sift through a lot of horrible dreck to find it. The big difference between then and now, is that back then there was a cohesive movement taking place, full of new and interesting bands. You’d discover one, and it would open the door for 20 more. Today, the bands are more isolated, and fewer and further between... but they are out there. It doesn’t all have to be nostalgia.
@@Brewzerr can you mention one band name please?? last band that i found that really showed me a new way of music was arcade fire ,, before that i can mention at least 30 band that was a delight to listen!!
Alex rivera - Well, here’s one - Escarlatina Obsessiva. Brazilian band. Still Corners from the UK is another.
This is the best version of "Dreams Never End" I've ever heard. Fantastic stuff.
Try about 5 months later at Glastonbury
This sounds amazing just through my phone. So crisp and clear. Beautiful.
This will remain in my memories till the day...
Thanks again Jillian.😊 This is a perfect picture.😊
I was 15 in 1981 & definitely listened to this as a live broadcast.
I play Joy Division all the time. Their music's been a vital oart of my life since the late 70s. I never liked New Order with the same intensity but the album "Movement" is still an emotional joy that their other albums never were for me. Music can be so individual and personal as well as being popular, all encompassing and àppealing to many at the same time ✌️
This was SO far ahead of its time. As I'm a Kiwi (New Zealander) I have never forgotten entering a bit of a gathering of sorts with a few friends at a hockey/football club after match function around when Blue Monday was released in '83. It (Blue Monday) was playing over the stereo and virtually no one was dancing to it as it just totally seemed to blow people's minds. So (again) I danced by myself to it...think I may have been a wee bit high and the experience was unique - as I say I have never forgotten it.
It was HUGE in Wellington the tour in 82
@@MrBrindleStyle Oh wow that's interesting to learn. Where was the gig? Hope you don't mind me browsing your YT & web page and wow awesome art! Will browse your webpage in more detail later. Did you follow Joy Division at all? I love them! They tended to blow a few minds down here in Invercargill during those late 70s & early 80s. A few friends described their music as 'depressing'...so I had to learn them and said 'sorry it's not depressing, rather it's real'...
Gig was at the student union hall up at Vic uni... a good night. The following year (?) The fall played their hex induction tour... two drummers, one of my favorite albums of theirs, that was a party
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@@tenakura The Fall...what a loose-as crew. Vocalist/leader Mark E. Smith could sure blow people's minds. Intelligent dude. As I type this I am listening to a song Deer Park [Live, Mainstreet, Auckland, New Zealand, 20 August 1982] part of The Fall's Hex Enduction Hour Tour of NZ. Next song has come up it's called The Classical [Live, Mainstreet, Auckland, New Zealand, 20 August 1982]. I've just imagined combining The Pogues vocalist Shane McGowan, Sex Pistols' Johnny Rotten, Tom Waits, and The Fall's Mark E. Smith singing together a few favorite songs of theirs....could make for some interesting vocals.
Dreams Never End hits harder than ever here. Incredible performance
I wish Stephen had sung it instead.
@@Nominay Are there any videos of him singing it? I think the only time I've seen him sing at all was Ceremony on the Movement box set
My favorite version of Dreams.... as well!
these sessions are so raw...vital...early versions of classic songs..!!!
blew me away at the time
DREAMS NEVER END great version..
DREAMS NEVER END!!!!!
I thought I'd heard all JD and NO Peel sessions, buy this one had slipped by me. Great versions of the Movement tracks. Love that album, a brooding, atmospheric masterpiece.
A lovely surprise that they moved on into a new line up and began to record again. That 40 year old photo of Stephen and Gillian looking fresh faced and happy looking at the camera and even Peter Hook seemed well.
This is great. Definitely better than later album versions.
As usual John Peel captured something as good as any album or better, I like the different instruments on this way more than the orig. vinyl.
4 POWER FULL SONGS!! THE LEGENDARY NEW ORDER!!
I’ve not researched it, but is there a fair bit of influence from Krautrock, Kraftwerk, Neu! in their overall sound? Wouldn’t have been well-known in U.K. at the time. I certainly wasn’t aware of how influential German industrial music was to the U.K. scene for some emerging artists in the 70s.
(Now, in my 60s, I see how loved Kraftwerk is. I was so sad to hear of Florian Schneider’s death in, I think, 2021? I recall I had a long drive scheduled & just set the iPod to play everything I had by Kraftwerk. Memorable. So many brilliant bands, JD & NO included).
Yeah, Kraftwerk, Neu! etc. massive influence on JD NO
Ian Curtis intoduced them to kraftwerk,i think they modelled themselves sartorially on them to for a while
Thank You for uploading this!
Marvelous. ICB is just terrific here.
Brilliant!
Yep. Listened in awe all those years ago.
hooky dreams never end .magic
I didn't really care for New Order in the mid 80's until I heard their earlier Peel Sessions. I still think this is far superior to their later electro pop.
I agree
@@NapFloridian yep me too
Untalented vocals, though. Lyrics are also inferior to what Curtis could write.
Love the jam they get into on this version of ICB.
Wow, one of these days, when I'm done with pleasant surprises, I'm just going to have to look up the entire J Peel catalogue.
That's exactly what I'm doing right now! 😅
Aaa what a music !!!
new wave forever!!!!!!
this sounds so much like joy division its like hearing if they ever got to make a third album. its deliciously painful
Mesmerizing...
Bought this cassette in '90. All 4 tracks on both sides. ~$7 well spent.
Great quality, thanks.
Senses, best song by these guys ...
I’ve always loved Joy Division and New Order. I was into them from 82 onwards. Some of my music is influenced by them.
This is priceless.....what joy divisions next step would've been,that said..i currently regard N.O's sesh. over J.D's peel-sesh....and i will kill for jd,most inflentual music evaaaaaaaaa....!
fucking amazing hauting...
Ian Curtis in memory
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the post punk poet, rip
fuck i love it has loved it for 40 year's good old 80'er
This is first time I had ever heard NO. A friends older brother had a Bootleg 7” EP of this peel session. I heard some of the vinyl bootlegs of New Order from the first few years was actually done on the sly by Rob as way of getting cash for the band. I don’t know how true that is. Anyway I got to see them at Deeside Futurama in September 1982. Blew my mind... they had a few songs from PCL by then.
I saw their first tour in Brighton so good!
Remember recording this. Thought it was far superior to the eventual album versions.
+David Morgan Agreed, you can actually hear Peter Hook singing on Dreams Never End for once.
+David Morgan
I remember buying the cassette which only contained four tracks and being blown away by it. Now, over 30 years later I find there was actually more! Great surprise and yes, agreed, better than album versions.
+ogorki ,
Ditto.
+David Morgan Wow - I agree. Thanks for mentioning that. This is stellar.
cool
mega !
pretty dark time - I think it took Blue Monday to get over Ian. If one could ever do that.
It sounds more like they're going through the motions to me. This isn't Closer, that's for sure.
Just dealing with hooky and Bernie would have been crazy. Thanks Jillian 😊
Nice photo. Seems it might be very representative of the band.
Soooo FUCKING good!!!!!!!
Movevent was their best album. ICB. Dreams never end. Before they get too mainstream
Clássico do passado curto muito quando estou encima da minha moto 🕺🕺🕺🕺🏍️🏍️ Marcelo moto boy solitário de Guarulhos sp Brazil 11/12/23
wooah
I like this stuff,because it sounds like New Order and Joy Division rolled into one
No, it sounds like some 90s art school band
I remember Brent Bambury played this for me.
Much better than the poppy shite they did later on.
Agreed. I have a ton of respect for their decision to move forward and find their own sound that would distinguish them from Ian’s influence, but the fact is that the darker, moodier atmosphere lends a depth to the music that was sorely missed in later years. In other words, this is simply better. Much better.
Brewzerr much much much better
negative.
Wrong lmao
Don’t know if you heard their most recent Be A Rebel single - it sounds like Robbie Williams done by Stock Aitken & Waterman. Complete shite.
DEEP.
TREASURE…!!!
Inspiring
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Mater piece
I'll say it, New Order were better than Joy Division.
at pop. not at post-punk
@@syrinx9196 better.period.
The eighties.
I.C.B so beautiful :D
Sounds like they're using the very first Boss Dr. Rhythm drum machine
Yes they are. It's on the album versions too.
The greatest session The Cure never recorded.
youch. love, fan of both.
Poucos dias antes de eu nascer. Next my born.
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Hookeeeeeeey !!
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THE BEST
January 26th, 2023 - Still sounds edgy and interesting. Find something else from 1981 that can still hold its own, then we'll have a conversation. 😉
Why is it when there's lists of great musicians Top 50 / 100 ect Stephen Morris is never mentioned at all.
Joy division would've become new order with or without Ian, in the 80's bands either changed with the times or disappeared.
Gaz Lee - Hadn't thought about that 1 and you are spot on bro. Excellent intelligent comment.
the fall, for one, didn't change
@@Spectrescup They bloomin' well did. Quite drastically at times. Remained very much The Fall with each shift however.
They would have still been called Joy Division though. But the music would have sounded more like New Order. But it's all moot
that's much obvious here , martin hannet really leads them , into electronic music !!!
I bought Movement after hearing "Everything's Gone Green" and it was disappointing..slow..moody..downbeat..gloomy..still a good listen! New Order released their best songs on E.P.
Wow is that Peter Hook singing Senses?
Mitch Ritter
No, but he does in Dreams never end
Did they use a Boss DR-55 on Truth? The snare and hi hats sound so familiar
Yes. This was the first pattern I put in when I bought one.
Fulcrum Spigot Sweet
Strange returning from major established infamous charting band to little experimental art school unit.
Joy Division were not by any means a large band by the time Ian died. They only charted with LWTUA after his death.
@@timneave3240 JD sounds large and was massively influential cult band. Dozens of bands listened them and took the same vein. Early NO was very experimental but awkward group with JD fame and found its own path some years later.
@@marguskiis7711 Indeed, but they were neither major nor established when they ended. That came later.
GAME CHANGER!!!!! but WRONG pic for this session me thinks :)
Now you're talking .
Lovely and gloomy
Did they ever do Blue Monday during a Peel session?
No
@@colonialwaster6978 but they did bbc rock around the clock with blue monday!
me and bernards birthday today
Jan 4-me too
Shades of the Who in some of this.
Very busy high hat.
❤️80ies❤️N.O.🇬🇷👍🇹🇷👎
Ian Curtis is very missed at this point of time. The band is just foundering around. Although Dreams Never End is a sure hit. Later they will move on to a new sound.
Huh? Who is singing? Sounds more like Ian Curtis than Bernard Sumner.
yes a very interesting question......I was thinking the same as you instantly when I heard the singing.
Ian Curtis imitation. Not so convincing.
top l après joy division
who dat in background????
Sinister Mathews.
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Luca, Sumo el rock nacional. pfff
okay but Peter Hook was kinda hot in the 80s? or am i the only one...
Back in the early '80s, when I was a young teenager, I thought Hooky looked "old" and "parental"(probably because of the beard). But, now that I'm in my late forties.......I look at images of Hooky back then and think, "Wow!! He was so good looking!!"
Listen to Peter Hook and the Light what he is recording now it is perfect
WTF happened to this band?
Many books have been written...
DEPARTMENT S / IS VIC THERE
AS MUCH AS THIS WAS GTOOD / I STILL LIKED MY EARLIER BANDS/ SKIDS/ CLASH/ / RUTS / UK SUBS / DAMNED S L F/ BUZZCOCKS Etc
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