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Malenia in Elden Ring ver. 1.0

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2022
  • The 1.0 ver. of Elden Ring is only available on console discs, and now we have access to the PS4 version. I "ported" all enemy AI, texts and UI to the PC version. Download link for Malenia down below.
    Upon encountering Malenia, her AI was tiny bit different, unpolished even in this version of the game. The most noteable change that she still has access to her "old" Waterfowl, which modders have discovered before. This video aims to showcase some of her differences to the patched version:
    -she's more aggressive in Phase 1
    -slightly different combos
    -she blocks many, especially consecutive attacks
    -old Waterfowl Dance
    -phase 2 clone attack doesn't do scarlet rot build-up
    Malenia 1.0 AI mod download: www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/m...
    1.0 MSGs mod download: www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/m...
    1.0 UI mod coming soon (as you can see it has a few issues, the map also doesn't work yet)

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  • @impc8265
    @impc8265 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5743

    she actually cancels her attack animation to block player attacks, WITH A KATANA. I'd just have a bold claim that she is indeed unused boss from sekiro.

    • @brickch.6502
      @brickch.6502 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1252

      She clearly is. I mean all those flurries are meant to be blocked with the umbrella. Her regen ability was probably related to perfect parrying her constantly even without the debuff given by kuro's charm. It would have been a pretty fair fight for that game, unlike in Elden Ring. Even the way she recovers poise is more similar to Sekiro's posture system than anything. She completely breaks the mechanics of the game because she's not built for it...

    • @mothh7600
      @mothh7600 2 ปีที่แล้ว +658

      Tomoe...

    • @fishingforcats1497
      @fishingforcats1497 2 ปีที่แล้ว +389

      I mean she has the waterfowl dance which is basically an altered spiral cloud passage

    • @MYWALLS
      @MYWALLS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      To be honest i had my theory that malenia is just emma the gentle blade from sekiro i mean isshin got another fight at the end of game and malenia has isshin one mind just tuned up and malenia watefowl dance well in this version is more like a gentle furry of slashes

    • @catiminiclergus537
      @catiminiclergus537 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      @@mothh7600 oh god I think you re right

  • @Drone_21
    @Drone_21 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3604

    I think you're right on the money with guessing this was the actual waterfowl dance, contrary to the move she does in the full game this one actually looks like she is dancing.

    • @thelordofcow5639
      @thelordofcow5639 2 ปีที่แล้ว +128

      something else that's quite interesting is that we probably would have no way of knowing it would be called the waterfowl dance without looking at the game files, as her weapon doesn't perform the original waterfowl dance or even mention it

    • @drdrew7475
      @drdrew7475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @Cliff Jumper yes does (at least in the current version).

    • @XDarkGreyX
      @XDarkGreyX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Always seemed sort of unfitting....

    • @noahhkun5097
      @noahhkun5097 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I mean it looks less like a dance but go off

    • @grandbean9031
      @grandbean9031 2 ปีที่แล้ว +85

      She also stands on one leg, performing small jumps. And while not technically catergorised as waterfowl, that does remind me of Flamingos and Cranes.

  • @JesusitsChuzy
    @JesusitsChuzy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3023

    It definitely makes sense that that is the original Waterfowl dance considering that she hops on one leg which is a reference to Cranes, which are used a lot in Japanese Folklore

    • @roshan6999
      @roshan6999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      Reminds me of the okami women dancing to flute melody in fountainhead palace , they hop around in a similar fashion

    • @20thcentury_toy
      @20thcentury_toy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      And it looks similar to the river curved sword atack wich is supposedly from her master

    • @lo5er935
      @lo5er935 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      apparently she hops on one leg in the other too

    • @JesusitsChuzy
      @JesusitsChuzy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@lo5er935 oh I never noticed I'll have to check it out

    • @kormorgen637
      @kormorgen637 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      It reminds me of the Flowing Curved Sword, Where you literally dance in the same way used by Malenia's old master who taught her swordsmanship. That one seems much more like it but perfected to a better degree.
      Maybe they changed it because it was too similar to the Malenia's blade attack?

  • @luna7157
    @luna7157 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2345

    I would have quite liked it if she kept the original Waterfowl Dance for phase 1 only. It seems much more controlled and floaty, presumably like the movements of her master, the Blue Dancer/blind swordsman. Phase 2 reveal of Malenia's Blade would slap.

    • @cspoon69
      @cspoon69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      I love this idea

    • @Hyperversum3
      @Hyperversum3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +113

      True, but at the same time the visuals of her doing it while transformed are great.
      It's a literal potential goddess with her full (for now) power dancing in your face while trying to hack you to pieces. Looks awesome

    • @tyhjyys
      @tyhjyys 2 ปีที่แล้ว +141

      @@Hyperversum3 yeah thats what he said. it would have been better overall if she only pulled out the current waterfowl in her phase 2. shes got actual wings at that point too so itd just fit better. but nope we got hovering malenia

    • @boch2411
      @boch2411 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@tyhjyys think he meant it the other way around, 1 leg boing for p2

    • @PullUpOnYoAssOnaMfSkateboard
      @PullUpOnYoAssOnaMfSkateboard 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@boch2411yeah pt2 makes more sense

  • @infamoushacker4chan883
    @infamoushacker4chan883 2 ปีที่แล้ว +746

    Yeah, this is definitely the original waterfowl dance. She hops around on one leg like a crane during the move. Cranes are waterfowl. Not sure why this was cut.

    • @TheGreatDanish
      @TheGreatDanish 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      because it looks goofy as shit

    • @sunriseparrabellum5505
      @sunriseparrabellum5505 2 ปีที่แล้ว +117

      probably too oppressive, people complained a lot about the version we did get, this version looks even harder to deal with

    • @XXXTENTAClON227
      @XXXTENTAClON227 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good catch lol

    • @canisinumbra
      @canisinumbra ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @Kiko Smore But it has a better indicator now to actually avoid it.

    • @shinyhedgehog3985
      @shinyhedgehog3985 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Very easy to avoid i think?

  • @azzathot993
    @azzathot993 2 ปีที่แล้ว +565

    She actually has a death dialog even if it doesn't show : we all hear it in our heads.

    • @urtoryu_dy_althraidn
      @urtoryu_dy_althraidn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      She just speaks it telepathically in this version.

  • @gguy2667
    @gguy2667 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1819

    Malenia is what Tomoe boss fight would've been if She was in Sekiro.
    With lightning instead of Rot.

    • @Zantal03
      @Zantal03 2 ปีที่แล้ว +160

      i would love to parry the shit out of that combo

    • @FrancescoMrC
      @FrancescoMrC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      No, in Sekiro she would be way too easy

    • @cspoon69
      @cspoon69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      @@FrancescoMrC i agree, flurry of attacks don't really work well for the enemies. Just look at the claw-wielding demon mini-boss

    • @bannedmann4469
      @bannedmann4469 2 ปีที่แล้ว +114

      She'd a totally be fair in Sekiro.

    • @FrancescoMrC
      @FrancescoMrC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      @@bannedmann4469 fair yes, but also extremely easy

  • @magicalgirl1296
    @magicalgirl1296 2 ปีที่แล้ว +548

    The blocking actually really enhances the feeling of this fight being a duel to me.

    • @afk_hesh
      @afk_hesh ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Yeah I honestly would have preferred to fight this version. A duel would've been so much more fun than the cheese fest we dealt with

    • @careca6547
      @careca6547 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      And the block animation is amazing. It feels more aggressive and challenging. From Software is a studio from another planet.
      GOD BLESS Miyazaki. 🇯🇵

    • @kgMeruem
      @kgMeruem ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't understand those comments, she actually block attacks even in the patched versions?

    • @qoki2244
      @qoki2244 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@kgMeruem She Blocks way more often. If she is not in an attack animation she will block the attack, and she is way more aggrssive as well compared to the base game.

    • @InvaderTroy
      @InvaderTroy ปีที่แล้ว

      if they wanted to make her actually hard they wouldn’t put a summoning pool right by her door, kinda like placidusax

  • @_Jay_Maker_
    @_Jay_Maker_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +354

    That's absolutely the original Waterfowl Dance. It even has a tempo, like real dancing does.
    Shame it's not in the current version. It'd be nice to see her mix it in to her kit.

    • @internetspectator6051
      @internetspectator6051 ปีที่แล้ว

      Waterfowl is already bullshit as is no need to add extra shit. Mix it in my ass.

  • @AlexHyena-dv4mb
    @AlexHyena-dv4mb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +861

    honestly I'd rather have her block my attacks more frequently than her healing off every attack

    • @jajasking9652
      @jajasking9652 2 ปีที่แล้ว +141

      Yeah, or, at least, she only can heal with the grab attack

    • @gabem3251
      @gabem3251 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Agreed. It would be a nice callback to Sekiro as well as being a challenge.

    • @gabem3251
      @gabem3251 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@jajasking9652 Or her Scarlet Aeonia nuke attack

    • @graylyhen9490
      @graylyhen9490 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sneed

    • @mistywww3199
      @mistywww3199 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      true adding more technical difficulty is better than stupid artificial bulllshit like the healing

  • @VoidStarchan
    @VoidStarchan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +870

    I wish that they had kept in the Original Waterfowl Dance, it is a beautiful move.

    • @speedb.bernard5404
      @speedb.bernard5404 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      I think that the old version whould have been even more anoying then the one we got tbh

    • @glatykoffi6672
      @glatykoffi6672 2 ปีที่แล้ว +203

      @@speedb.bernard5404 Nah, it doesn't cover the whole field under 2 secs

    • @cloudniinee941
      @cloudniinee941 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Has a lot of travel distance sure, but it has a clear tell before its used

    • @EldenLord.
      @EldenLord. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      Remove the current version and give her the original dance. That would completely fix the fight.

    • @dutchvanderlinde248
      @dutchvanderlinde248 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@EldenLord. and remove the goddamn healing. I want to know who's idea that was just so I could ask them what the fuck they were thinking AVGN style.

  • @Grey-The-Skeleton
    @Grey-The-Skeleton 2 ปีที่แล้ว +419

    Malenia heard her theme play in the background and started busting a move to it, absolutely destroying you with her lethal whip-&-nae-nae technique. Can you blame her?

  • @juke673
    @juke673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1027

    I've seen a lot of folks saying that her current version should be toned down, but (based on how the fight looks in the video) maybe she hasn't been nerfed because it's already the toned down version of the fight lol

    • @KingoftheApes
      @KingoftheApes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +214

      She is still a ridiculously unfair and unfun fight. Despite how often Miyazaki schpiels about "earning the win" and thats why it's so fun, surviving this fight is almost entirely luck based. It's not even designed for Elden Ring.

    • @uegeywcewhdvsdge318
      @uegeywcewhdvsdge318 2 ปีที่แล้ว +306

      @@KingoftheApes its not even close to a luck based fight. malenia has counters and consistent ways of dodging every one of her attacks

    • @Rexis102
      @Rexis102 2 ปีที่แล้ว +315

      @@uegeywcewhdvsdge318 she cancels hitstun and fails to follow the patterns of the game’s stance break mechanics. She is difficult, not fair in any capacity. And this is coming from a guy who beat her RL1 with no bleed or frostbite. Yeah, she’s possible, but she by no means is fair.

    • @finduzzle2991
      @finduzzle2991 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@KingoftheApes Stop talking victim mentality shit.

    • @uegeywcewhdvsdge318
      @uegeywcewhdvsdge318 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Rexis102 her cancels are not problematic unless you are r1 spamming and playing like a moron. The hyperarmor is simply stronger than the stagger which you circumvent by simply landing the finishing blow when shes out of s. She can be bullied by a skilled player as only some attacks give hyperarmor so you just have to accept this one single change instead of bitching that it doesent work the way you want it to. Malenia isnt the first boss to not follow the supposed "boss rules" and i didnt see anyone talk bout demon of hatred. Also your supoosed rl1 achievement means nothing to someone who has experimented on malenia for hours and knows pretty much everything shes capable of and what you can do to gain an advantage. Also not using bleed or frost isnt anything to brag about lol

  • @Rays326
    @Rays326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    You missed the most important part… her hyper armor was over by the time she swung as opposed to now where it applies to the whole combo sometimes. You were consistently interrupting with a katana and instead of countering with a quick hyper armor slash her block combo actually gives you a chance to dodge if youre swinging something bigger. Yeah this Waterfowl is cooler tbh

  • @whitewolf2679
    @whitewolf2679 2 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Lol that's horrifying two flurry attacks together ....they needed us to suffer.
    Her second phase 8 clone combo,scarlet aeonia with that flurry combo and waterfowl will be a fking nightmare to dodge.
    Thanks Miyazaki.

  • @Badassmcawsome009
    @Badassmcawsome009 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    From Software is like "Man this boss fight is a little hard....let's get rid of the easier to avoid blade attack and keep the crazy chasing flying one"

    • @thevoidlord1796
      @thevoidlord1796 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I think its the opposite. The original fight looks kinda easy, whereas the one we got might honestly be a contender for one of the hardest FromSoft Soulsborne bosses yet.

    • @zzrroott6459
      @zzrroott6459 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@thevoidlord1796 hardest boss 😂 nice joke brother. Nice joke

    • @thevoidlord1796
      @thevoidlord1796 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@zzrroott6459 “*one of* the hardest FromSoft bosses”
      Can you read? Who else would you include?

  • @dylantorres-brown5976
    @dylantorres-brown5976 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    THIS is the Malenia I fought. I didn't have internet when I bought Elden Ring and played through the game on 1.00. I used my mimic but even still it was incredibly hard for me.
    Oh and when he says some items are in different places, it's literally like 80% of main weapons, Talismans, etc. They're in different places or just not there at all. And EVERY merchant has a different inventory, but it's another merchants inventory. So you can ger all the same items, just from different merchants.
    Many good magic staffs and seals are missing completely. If you don't pick the Samurai class you completely miss the Unchigatana, as it's not in its normal spot in Limgrave. I've yet to find it anywhere else.
    1.00 is way different

  • @ivantheblazingchariot2517
    @ivantheblazingchariot2517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Oh yes we finally be able to see the complete spiral cloud passage of Lady Tomoe. Notice her jumping like dance? That looks exacly like the okami warrior.

  • @backslash4141
    @backslash4141 2 ปีที่แล้ว +215

    The old waterfowl dance looks janky but balanced.
    I mean look at the timing of each flurry, that's a roll right there, and the attack doesn't persist so long you have to time perfectly like with the current version.
    Current waterfowl/melenia's blade looks more fluid sure but I just think the hurtbox lingers too long for it to be fair.

    • @cameronmckillop6448
      @cameronmckillop6448 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      I much prefer her toned down water fowl attack. It speaks of a skilled warrior that is uses less energy per strike, rather than levitating in the air and frantically swinging in desperation to kill her opponent.

    • @danylonazarov
      @danylonazarov 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@cameronmckillop6448 i dont feel that as desperation, more like "close all possible escape roots for enemy". And she still had current move, so

    • @weewoowahoo
      @weewoowahoo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      yeah for this old waterfowl, it seems like the wind-up is slow enough that u can just run away and avoid the attack entirely even from close range. but more importantly, it just looks very cool and really feels like a dance

    • @_CrimsonBlade
      @_CrimsonBlade ปีที่แล้ว +9

      definitely better then melania jumping in the air and tracking you from across the map

  • @Tokumastu1
    @Tokumastu1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    You mean to tell me the original Waterfowl is something you can not only run from, but also doesn't have the insane tracking of the current one. Even more reason to not regret cheesing her.

  • @Enneamorph
    @Enneamorph 2 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    Malenia’s Phase 1 would’ve been an absolute banger if her old Waterfowl was a normal “super” move, but a little faster, but once you break the 50% threshold, she starts the Waterfowl we know, and does it only once in Phase 1.
    Although, I would like it if the old Waterfowl didn’t have the secondary slicing effects, it doesn’t feel like it should.
    It’d look like this:
    Phase 1:
    100%, normal moveset
    75%, can use old Waterfowl as a powerful combo
    50%, uses new Waterfowl ONCE.
    25%, uses old Waterfowl more frequently.

    • @johnnyd.1004
      @johnnyd.1004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That sounds pretty nice. Not sure how you'd set up phase 2, though.

    • @TitoMcFadden
      @TitoMcFadden 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@johnnyd.1004 I think if you keep phase 2 as is with the phase 1 outlined above, her added aggression in phase 2 should still make it a nail biter. Just like normal, the key to success will be a good first phase and not getting caught by her Waterfowl or doppelganger attacks in phase 2. I don't think we need to reinvent the wheel here. It'd still be plenty challenging.

  • @bren._x
    @bren._x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    version 1.0s fight feels so much more personal, and intense

  • @picolascage8329
    @picolascage8329 2 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    I played in 1.0 version and yes, she does have dialogue after death, and it is a little different

    • @MrGaragato
      @MrGaragato 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      what did she say?

    • @gamemaster1608
      @gamemaster1608 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What she says in the 1.0 version?

    • @picolascage8329
      @picolascage8329 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      She says "Now you know... I am Malenia blade of miquella"

    • @tahahussein3254
      @tahahussein3254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      @@picolascage8329 It's "Now do you understand? I am Malenia blade of Miquella." Small difference from what you said.

    • @picolascage8329
      @picolascage8329 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@tahahussein3254 oh thanks, I played this version a while ago and I didn't remember exactly what the phrase was

  • @ikaerus_1941
    @ikaerus_1941 2 ปีที่แล้ว +341

    to be honest, I like this version more. she fight more like a dancer rather than a warrior. fluid movement and everything

    • @N38Productions
      @N38Productions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      A good swordsman/warrior is exactly that, fluid, light on their feet, etc.

    • @Aiden-iy9du
      @Aiden-iy9du 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Except she's a warrior not a dancer lol.

    • @gilangignasraharjo6138
      @gilangignasraharjo6138 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same

    • @ididntaskverified3663
      @ididntaskverified3663 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      She’s blind so she would have to fight differently , akin to a dancer

    • @elpsykoongro5379
      @elpsykoongro5379 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@Aiden-iy9du except swordsmanship can resemble a dance if you are good enough

  • @garrettord3304
    @garrettord3304 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    The blocking makes her feel much more like an expert swordsman, and I like the other version of the Waterfowl Dance. I can understand why they were removed, but it'd be nice to see them re-added for NG+

  • @dovesr0478
    @dovesr0478 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Really disappointing that we didn't get this version. Could definitely do without both the block and the self healing, one is enough. But the more aggressive AI in phase 1 and the true waterfowl dance that actually looks consistently avoidable means we missed out big time.

  • @Do_You_Fear_Me
    @Do_You_Fear_Me 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    An actual Waterfowl dance description says "Perform a series of one-footed leaps in the manner of a waterfowl to unleash a swift yet graceful slashing combo" and it's really more suitable for v. 1.0 dance, than for actual

  • @coldstarxv8681
    @coldstarxv8681 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The original waterfowl dance is literally floating cloud passage from sekiro

  • @SlendIGuess
    @SlendIGuess 2 ปีที่แล้ว +357

    Might sound like a masochist but I would want both waterfowl and Malenia's Blade as Waterfowl is a beautiful move and Malenia's Blade is extremely fun to dodge(if you can learn how)

    • @migs192
      @migs192 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yes!

    • @brothatscrazy3418
      @brothatscrazy3418 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Would be nice to have it added to NG+

    • @lv7_p1kachu
      @lv7_p1kachu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Seems like to dodge it, you either have to run away or dodge behind her at the beginning, kind of like the original waterfowl, but your dodge has to be a bit earlier

    • @ashencometmom5291
      @ashencometmom5291 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      i'm still not entirely convinced you can dodge it at all if she does it while you're committed to a not-so-fast animation after what seemed like a perfectly viable punish window. i played it with weapons whose recovery times were longer than her stagger animation and i swear to god it's not possible to avoid some damage from the first flurry under those circumstances

    • @aarong1092
      @aarong1092 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You could learn how, or you could just cheese it out with raptors, vow of the indomitable or BHS.
      I totally didn't do that

  • @juandeeg6928
    @juandeeg6928 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    tbh completely silent Malenia is scarier

  • @weatherman1504
    @weatherman1504 2 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    Honestly, I'd prefer the OG version of Waterfowl Dance displayed here to the one in game. It feels a lot more fair compared to what we got now and it actually feels like something a proper FromSouls boss would use. Kinda brings me back to DS1 Sanctuary Guardian a bit. It is aggressive and it will probably kill you in a corner, but if you actually know your spacing and keep an awareness of the map you can avoid that situation. This feels fair compared to the in game one which is basically an "I win" button for her unless you learn how to dodge it perfectly everytime and at every distance.

    • @BygoneT
      @BygoneT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It really isn't that difficult if you approach that move like you're studying it, you don't even have to dodge perfectly because with enough defense or health you'll survive the first flurry, which is the worst, the other flurries are easy

    • @josetomascamposrobledano4618
      @josetomascamposrobledano4618 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cool opinion… but kinda unrelated. The change here is of name only. She was mean to have 2 very powerful attacks! And the new one might give you even less time to react compared to the in-game version that has her a full second on air to tell you “I’m going to use a combo!”.
      So by your implied hatred of the combo, this might make the fight worse for you since it’s current Malenia+ new combo. Not replaced combo Malenia.

    • @weatherman1504
      @weatherman1504 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@josetomascamposrobledano4618 ​ What I mean is that if she just had the beta Waterfowl Dance displayed in the video I feel like that might be a bit more enjoyable. It's actually more reminiscent of a dance than the heat seaking missile that we know of in the actual game. It looks like it could be reliably dodged with good spacing and by being a larger distance away from her whereas the other one can catch you from the other side of the field. The wind up may be a little bit faster than the wind up on in game Waterfowl Dance, but since it covers a lot (and I do mean A LOT) less ground, as long as you stay a certain distance away from her during the attack and don't get too greedy you can survive without a scratch.
      The reason why I compare this beta version of Waterfowl Dance to something a boss like the Sanctuary Guardian from DS1 might have is because they're both trying to do the same thing which is push you backwards to corner you. In the case of both the standard string of Sanctuary Guardian and beta Waterfowl Dance, if you're in a corner when it happens it's pretty much guaranteed to either kill you or do massive damage, but if you keep a good awareness of your positioning you can avoid being cornered.
      In general, if they completely swapped out the in game version of Waterfowl Dance with the beta version I feel like she'd be a bit more fair than she is in game.

    • @obviouslykaleb7998
      @obviouslykaleb7998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@josetomascamposrobledano4618 how do you miss the entirety of the first sentence of OP’s post

    • @sunman2566
      @sunman2566 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@BygoneT That's the problem, it feels like you're fighting that specific attack itself and not Malenia.

  • @lanceg6197
    @lanceg6197 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "I am Tomoe- Blade of Takeru"

  • @TheSpectralForce
    @TheSpectralForce 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    That makes so much sense! That move looks like an actual dance. Whereas the current one was likely Phase 2 exclusive. She actually Seems to fly during the current version which fits Phase 2 Better since it has wings

  • @personman1148
    @personman1148 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Yup it's a Sekiro boss

    • @kotn3l
      @kotn3l  2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      I just wish someone will mod her into Sekiro. I really wanna try beating her with that combat.

    • @crowstray
      @crowstray 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@kotn3l There was a mod out that brought Sekiro parries/deflects to Elden Ring. Idk how it plays or feels havent got around to it yet.

    • @pavkata9568
      @pavkata9568 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@crowstray Swordsmanship is what i believe its called

  • @idontgetscared
    @idontgetscared 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Dude, if she had block on top of that, would’ve taken me a lot longer. I tried like 1000 times and buffed 30 levels pre Malenia and post. Took 40 hrs of gameplay buffing+trying for this girl alone.

    • @benbeentjes7088
      @benbeentjes7088 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just wondering, what weapon did you use? And did you use summons?

    • @idontgetscared
      @idontgetscared 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@benbeentjes7088 I used rivers of blood and summoned tiche for a health drop effect. Made a guide here th-cam.com/video/7xG_6YrvAjI/w-d-xo.html basically you really need to dodge waterfowl. If you get that, you got her.

    • @benbeentjes7088
      @benbeentjes7088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      O I already got her, I used Moonveil main hand and Cold Uchigatana offhand, no summons, took me 6 hours at level 143.
      The waterfowl was annoying but once I figured out how to dodge that it wasn't too bad most of the time, unless I was in the middle of an attack and she used it close to me then she lands some hits with it. What caught me most is that triple flurry move. You gotta quickly roll into her and it took quite a long time for me to make a habit out of that. All in all I think this is the most difficult boss I ever faced, she seems so unfair at times

    • @PuskasMarton
      @PuskasMarton 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I might have oveleveled for her then. xd
      Took me 3 attempts with powerstanced staff of loss and lusat's, ranni's dark moon, terra magica, night comet, 80 int and Tiche.
      Lvl 170 and I prolly coulve blasted her ass with Comet Azur in her Aeonia recovery animation. Oh well, still felt like I cheesed her when every ping took 1.6k hp off of her.

    • @PuskasMarton
      @PuskasMarton 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      the 1st attempt was me coming out of the cutscene and her slapping me literarly 2 times. :|

  • @Chimaera242
    @Chimaera242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    This version of Malenia seems harder, but also better? Apart from the cut waterfowl dance being a gorgeously animated move, to me something always felt a little bit off about the fase 1 Malenia that we got. Now I'm imagining that From made a really good bossfight that was just flat out too hard, and had to make it a little bit worse to make it easier because of time constraints or something. Would be kind of sad (but also understandable).

    • @JingMitsuyamaCH
      @JingMitsuyamaCH 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Lol People think I'm Psychotic when I say I enjoy fight Malenia. To me she's what I wanted Lady Maria and Sir Alonne to be. Someone with such a degree of skill that is more of a dance than a fight for those that are deeply skilled.

    • @inabyss
      @inabyss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Considering how she made ppl suffer with hours of agonizing pain, it was amazing to be able to beat her.
      Turns out, she was nerfed. Even now, if she executes water fowl dance at a close distance, it's a guaranteed death and even now beating her is never assured.

    • @emma-rz7mf
      @emma-rz7mf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@inabyss its not guaranteed death. you can easily face tank the first flurry then dodge the rest. or you can run to her side and fully dodge it.

    • @dylanschmeichel2008
      @dylanschmeichel2008 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Fromsoft definitely rushed a lot of Elden Ring due to time constraints and COVID. The game wouldve been likely better if the pandemic didnt happen OR Bandai was more concerned with good products rather than shareholder profit.

    • @dutchvanderlinde248
      @dutchvanderlinde248 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@emma-rz7mf Just face tank 4head. And have her heal away your past 5 minutes worth of effort?

  • @malware9668
    @malware9668 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Waterfowl either needs reduced tracking or a complete overhaul. The original is definitely more fair but sacrifices style for balance. The one we got is too over the top.

    • @zanido9073
      @zanido9073 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      she uses both in the original.

    • @malware9668
      @malware9668 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zanido9073 I don’t see the point, that’s honestly worse…

    • @keikei2942
      @keikei2942 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nah it's fine

  • @highvoltage7559
    @highvoltage7559 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I hope they add some sort of "Inner Bosses" later down the line, so we can have this more aggressive Malenia fight back.

  • @Torque_Mk1
    @Torque_Mk1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    3:58 is a classic FromSoft camera bit. An important moment where you're trying to determine what attack boss is going to use and all you see is your ass covering the entire screen xD

  • @paradox5384
    @paradox5384 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    - Has 2 ultimate moves
    - Can use them throughout the fight whenever he wants, can spam them in a row
    - Blocks almost every second attack
    I have one question for the people who allowed this to be released - were they on drugs? What went through the minds of game designers when they said, "Yeah, it's okay, good boss." Did they test it at all?

  • @yoursexualizedgrandparents6929
    @yoursexualizedgrandparents6929 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Honestly like this waterfowl dance more, it looks exactly how it sounds.

  • @midouban628
    @midouban628 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Would've been cool if they keep and let her use the original waterfowl's dance in her human form and the full-game flurry attack when she reached Godhood as a way to show how the Malenia Goddess of Rot is much more powerful than Malenia Blade of Miquella

  • @Jasx_501
    @Jasx_501 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I actually want to see her use that kick move more. Never seen that before. Great job on the video!

  • @unnamedvisitor1649
    @unnamedvisitor1649 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    So, since this alpha version combo is the supposed original waterfowl dance, the name makes sense, as she moves in a rhythmic fashion, as if she's dancing, rather than the combo looking like a flurry of attacks like the current waterfowl combo

  • @blastphemii
    @blastphemii 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Man she had 2 waterfowl’s at first hell na

  • @royden-dojo975
    @royden-dojo975 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bruh the fact she blocks attacks regularly in the OG version just gives me Sekiro vibes

  • @devenchinso
    @devenchinso 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Thanks for the info man.

  • @rgrywatchin
    @rgrywatchin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Imagine they put both moves in after NG+7 just so you get the true boss they designed and intended.

    • @KingoftheApes
      @KingoftheApes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      She's already a terrible boss as it is

    • @rgrywatchin
      @rgrywatchin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KingoftheApes Exactly by that point you’d know her kit this would bring out the real Malenia. Hell I’d want a DS2 NG+ treatment where you face red phantoms. Or cut move sets deemed “too hard”. Lol

    • @KingoftheApes
      @KingoftheApes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@rgrywatchin that's just plain untrue. Malenia is so ridiculously hard with so little room for failure. That is objectively true. I can dodge 90% of her attacks, sure, but she can dodge 90% of mine. On top of that, her fucking healing is ridiculous. It is the worst mechanic I have seen in the game and that says a lot. Malenia was far and away some of the least fun I have ever had playing any game.

    • @beaucranston9586
      @beaucranston9586 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@KingoftheApes Sounds like you're bad

    • @beaucranston9586
      @beaucranston9586 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KingoftheApes Sounds like you're bad

  • @nguyenvietanh2152
    @nguyenvietanh2152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the way she hops on one foot is rather cute

  • @newwave7066
    @newwave7066 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    In the original version, players will remember even better that her name is Malenia and she is the blade of Miquela)

    • @kotn3l
      @kotn3l  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Apparently she says it too in 1.0 on consoles, but I couldn't figure out how to port it to the PC version.

  • @painisweaknessleavingthebo302
    @painisweaknessleavingthebo302 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Interestingly, there is a link between the animation of the “secret” waterfowl dance, and the heavy attack of the flowing curved sword. Each of them attack in the same manner, but the specific link is the position of the sword between and after the flurries. For Melania’s own rush, it is a modification of the technique, where instead of bringing the sword upward to swing, the sword is put below her and she rushes forward above it, rather than focusing on keeping the blade above her head. I also believe the dance is named after the one-legged hopping motion that we see her make. In my personal opinion, I believe they removed that flurry for that specific reason: the waterfowl dance is named after the dance itself, and having her execute an extremely recognizable technique would be a little bit too on the nose.

    • @obviouslykaleb7998
      @obviouslykaleb7998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Idk man I feel like “having the extremely recognizable move tied to a name that’s very clearly inspired off of it” seems like a good idea lore-wise. Makes sense in universe, considering names come after the creation of the thing.

  • @crust5909
    @crust5909 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That is 100% the Waterfowl Dance. That is so cool and sad at the same time (that the Waterfowl Dance was removed). Thank you for the effort and information you put in the video

  • @brown_Mango_mochi
    @brown_Mango_mochi ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I will never forgive the souls community for nearing this beautiful optional boss

  • @praisemidir
    @praisemidir 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Informative video. I subbed

  • @andrewh158
    @andrewh158 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Actual 1.0 Malenia is different, something went wrong here. In 1.0, waterfowl tracking and distance is vastly improved in that the first flurry cannot be outrun like normal. 2nd flurry is still rollable, but the 3rd flurry will not fly over you like in this video. You cannot dodge all of waterfowl in 1.0 without bloodhounds step
    Also she has 1 line of additional kill dialogue; "Now do you understand? I am Malenia, blade of Miquella"
    2nd phase dialogue is the same

    • @kotn3l
      @kotn3l  2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Thank you for pointing this out! I will make a follow-up video showcasing these changes as well. Is it okay if I leave your username in the video, or should I blur it out?

    • @andrewh158
      @andrewh158 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@kotn3l you dont have to credit me at all, theres some things im not super positive about. For example I think I was wrong to say the 1st flurry has improved tracking, I think it might just be the hitbox is like 2x as large. And maaaaybe the 3rd flurry is dodgable without BHS but it seems like no matter which direction I move, she is glued onto you.

  • @supasneak
    @supasneak 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is the version of Malenia that I personally played against, my wifi was out for months but I had the disc of Elden Ring. Not to mention there was many items in wrong locations or simply not existing, and there was also pretty terrible balancing on everything, the Halo Scythe was probably the strongest weapon in the game believe it or not, I mowed through nearly every boss using it.

  • @spr_g_follower_2
    @spr_g_follower_2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    for the first few days of playing, i had bought a disc copy and so, that came with the 1.0 files. I hadnt updated the game until a few days later.
    And I remember only doing so because I genuinely could not complete a specific area. I think it was the one with the Regal Ancestor Spirit.
    One of the flaming braziers or something was completely missing, and this issue was only fixed when I updated the game.
    But even so, i remember updating it, and noticing the UI was completely different.
    Also my friend, had already updated his game, so he had gotten the Uchigatana in a dungeon, and I went to that same spot, and it wasnt there for me until I updated it.
    Its like a totally different game at launch.

    • @minerman60101
      @minerman60101 ปีที่แล้ว

      The brazier is accessible from the original part Siofra River you get to from the well, through the hidden teleporter to the Dragonkin Soldier fight. The pillar is just randomly in the back of its arena lol. (credit to BertoPlease for showing off 1.00)

  • @lend5201
    @lend5201 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thankyou for this :)

  • @SuperAlphaKirby
    @SuperAlphaKirby ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a person who has the 1.0 version (my router doesnt reach my ps4) im glad i get to fight this Melania.

  • @tonylemonade5892
    @tonylemonade5892 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The 2nd phase waterfowl dance is absolutely sublime

  • @l.benfield5181
    @l.benfield5181 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    malenia getting sturdy with it

  • @Cyynapse
    @Cyynapse หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    insane that they made waterfowl HARDER in the final game

  • @MGLJake
    @MGLJake 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Old Waterfowl dance also seems to resemble the Nox Flowing Sword charged heavy attacks, which is supposed to be the sword of her mentor.

  • @N1GHTSTRIKER-45
    @N1GHTSTRIKER-45 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Meanwhile In Another Timeline:
    I Am Tomoe.... Blade Of Takeru

  • @terminalarray1047
    @terminalarray1047 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow she definitely looks like a Sekiro boss here.

  • @MultiZernez
    @MultiZernez 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Malenia has a different voice line when she kills you, she says “Now do you understand? I am Malenia, Blade of Miquella”

  • @Awxxrd
    @Awxxrd หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I hope they consider re-adding the real waterfowl dance it's just so cool

  • @marcosronilson7292
    @marcosronilson7292 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

  • @germansalamancabautista6988
    @germansalamancabautista6988 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The real blade of miquella was at the 1.0

  • @UltravioletNomad
    @UltravioletNomad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's actually easy to read, doesn't fuck with the camera, and is an actual dance.
    Course it looks a tad funny and a bit slower, but I still wish it was in the game, perhaps with some tweaking. It's like, the one we got is a retreat at all cost, one hit and your dead (despite being a flurry), type move, and this is a daunting pursuer you must keep pace with or counter, type move.

  • @ichibugin
    @ichibugin ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ok seriously, that original Waterfowl Dance looks absolutely beauitful.
    A very deadly and elegant technique, fitting perfectly for her way of fighting!

  • @1293ST
    @1293ST 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Damn, I wish Malenia blocking and the original waterfowl dance were in game. At least for NG+ that would be awesome, having more of a challenge.

  • @ryanlovesweed4934
    @ryanlovesweed4934 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    i always felt she was a little clunky when it came to hitting her a bunch, if you have a summon or just a fast weapon. in the current patch she kinda just sits there and lets you beat her down for a few hits but in the version you are showing she has that block which makes SO MUCH SENSE. definitely felt something was missing

    • @Dr.Montante
      @Dr.Montante 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      100% agree, she just kind of walks like a badass, which should be reserved for ONLY SOMETIMES. In this version she was amazingly aggressive in fair ways; she put a stop to your own light attack spam in an immersive way (that wasn't a lazy-game-design boss stomp lol). I never even knew I missed these blocks :(

  • @mikeblxde4735
    @mikeblxde4735 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I do think that it was cool she had the waterfowl dance, and then the other one was similar but it feels more angry

  • @elreyes777
    @elreyes777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That explains the name “water fowl” and she’s doing it while on water too.

  • @chillmushroom6016
    @chillmushroom6016 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Not gonna lie, she had to be the final boss battle because I died more to her then the final boss

  • @garrytalaroc
    @garrytalaroc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This is what our grandfather means when they say "Back in 1.0, it was way harder"

  • @hobosorcerer
    @hobosorcerer หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm really sad they cut this, it actually looks much better than what we have now.

  • @edge21str
    @edge21str 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The block animation basically confirms this was planned as a sekiro fight.

  • @Patches_Gaming
    @Patches_Gaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Now the real question is: who would win..1.0 Malenia or the current patch Malenia? My bets are on the 1.0 because she blocks attacks more often.

  • @YamumsYadad
    @YamumsYadad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Ngl the og waterfowl dance in second phase is pure beauty, honestly one of the best designed bosses in any game to date, good job postergirl

  • @jet4u321
    @jet4u321 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was a very nice audio transition at 4:50

  • @mahmodaldoke6383
    @mahmodaldoke6383 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    in phase 1 she have additional dialogue when you die

    • @kotn3l
      @kotn3l  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Really? Is there a video showcasing that? I couldn't get that working sadly.

    • @picolascage8329
      @picolascage8329 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@kotn3l She says something like "Now you know... I am malenia blade of miquella". I think it actually makes more sense then the current version now because of that other line before the line we all know. I'm saying that because I finished the game in this version on ps4.

    • @kotn3l
      @kotn3l  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@picolascage8329 Thank you for sharing this!! I actually did hear that dialogue when skimming through all the audio files, and always wondered where that would belong.

    • @picolascage8329
      @picolascage8329 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kotn3l Your welcome, great video by the way! I also think it would be awesome to see an analysis video like that for radahn's fight in 1.0 as well.

    • @RealDingoes
      @RealDingoes 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kotn3l She actually still has this dialogue in the JP version on current patch. The line is "知り得たか?ミケラの刃、マレニアを" which translates to "Now you know, I am Malenia..." but contextually in Japanese it's more like "Do you now understand how hopeless you are in the face of Malenia, Blade of Miquella?"

  • @kaiserdetectivegolden2735
    @kaiserdetectivegolden2735 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    please can you made this for margit ?
    his original fight was way more atmosphiric with the cnt ost than the final game ost

    • @grimpsych3836
      @grimpsych3836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh yeah, i was not able to beat it pre patched xD but I gotta uninstall and redo the OG 1.0 now

  • @penngwinn
    @penngwinn ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The actual waterfowl dance is so cool!

  • @RedTigerDragoon
    @RedTigerDragoon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you look up one of the final moves in Sekiro's skill tree the picture that shows the attack looks remarkably like the waterfowl dance poses. It was a technique used by Tomoe. Now even more confident Sekiro DLC Tomoe got recycled into Malenia

  • @IsaacIsDead1
    @IsaacIsDead1 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Can’t believe we didn’t get this and got super saiyan radahn instead

  • @saadahmad2105
    @saadahmad2105 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This version actually seems much more fun to fight. Sad they changed it

  • @MOX-ch2
    @MOX-ch2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Dude this looks as cinematic as a sekiro fight wtf
    she actually moves and flows like an actual godlike warrior warrior

  • @aetrem50
    @aetrem50 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro when she started slowly floating upwards it unlocks some sort of flight response in me I felt so terrified lmao

  • @captkalik
    @captkalik หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So she has two waterfowl dances and she can do them even at full health and she blocks

  • @aarong1092
    @aarong1092 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I always thought the 1.0 UI looked quite jarring in comparison to the game's aesthetic and other UI elements. I'm glad they changed it for the release, looks much more stylized and doesn't stick out like a sore thumb.

  • @sheeba7020
    @sheeba7020 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this version of the game is way harder

  • @Eleechee
    @Eleechee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That waterfowl dance is mesmerizing

  • @TommasoFirmini
    @TommasoFirmini 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the animation that looks/sounds like weapon transformations from bloodborne. Wish it made the final cut

  • @Teeheehee093
    @Teeheehee093 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The actual Waterfowl dance seems way more fair to me
    I wish they just kept that one and got rid of the stupid one she uses now

  • @Cactar8
    @Cactar8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the true malenia fight

  • @AediionTV
    @AediionTV 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope that if they add boss rematches in a future patch/dlc that those fights add more boss patterns like the actual waterfowl dance and things like that

  • @GothamiteYT
    @GothamiteYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i sure love watching text presentations

    • @kotn3l
      @kotn3l  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's good then! Cheers!

  • @samualwilliamson369
    @samualwilliamson369 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Melanin