I’ve hunted all my life in Maryland and love the 270wsm feel I know a good bit about rifles and rounds but I’m always learning something from this guy. Love the channel
Before I watch this vid, I'll say if confined/limited to 1 cartridge, it would be .30-06 1) I'm a Fudd 2) under 100yds, flat shooting enough to be a reliable "brush gun" 3) right bullet loading it works on all game in U.S. My opinion, anyway
Andy, you're selling the 30-06 short with #2. The 30-06 is flat shooting enough to be a deadly "brush" cartridge to 300 yards. The brush might be too thick to allow this, but the cartridge/bullet can sure handle it.
I don't even know how many guns I have. It's a toss of a coin for me between 30-06 and 6.5x55. I've never had a use for a magnum even though I have a bunch of them 😆.
@@georgemcarthur488 that 6.5×55 is a good round. For decades the Swedes and others used it for everything they hunted in northern Europe including moose. It isn't exactly left in the dust by the glorious 6.5 Creedmoor which was the unnecessary answer to its ballistic twin, the 260 Remington. (My opinion of course.)
@@slomo1562 it's a beautiful round. I have several '96's. My first hunting rifle was and old sporterized carbine with a hundred year old shot out barrel but still pretty good and shot through any deer at any angle and the tree behind it 😆 with a 156 grain bullet only doing about 2300fps. I put one together on a '98 action with a 25" barrel a few years ago. Velocity wise it spanks the creedmoor and ties the 6.5x284.
12 ga, 22lr, 308, 270 and 30-06 are hard to beat. If you have one of them you can generally find ammo. If you shoot it well even better. I don't get caught up in marketing crwp.
well said mate here in new zealand 303s did the job for years and those calibers you mentioned are or were mainstays aswell, i have a mate with a number 4 actioned 303 with a rare new barrel plastic stock and an old burris on it and it shoots brilliant
12ga 22LR and .308 in one gun cabinet would represent a very universal hunting collection. These three cartridges off the self ammo comes in a great number of options. I have to say I love my 12 gauges and the diversity that the loads gives its users.
12:20 - The best Pistol Calibre Carbine (PCC) for close range deer hunting has to be the 10mm. Hi-Point, Extar, P2A Patriot, Grand Power Stribog. You have choices. Hi-Point is the most affordable at about $430 US. The Stribog is maybe $1,500 US. 10mm is good to say, 150 yards, probably even 200 yards and it can take game way bigger than whitetails too...
8:04 7mmRM v 300WinMag. I agree with opting for the 7RM as the preferred option, but it would also be a close choice with 30-06 180gr, especially if you dont need the extra down range capability of the 7RM. The 30-06 will be cheaper and more readily available even today.
Watched a video a couple months ago about shooting 30-06 at a mile. It's perfectly capable of 1000 yard plus shots, and unlike the 6.5s actually has enough energy to kill something at that range.
Look at winchester accubond lr ammo compare 30-06 to 7mm rem mag 30-06 has more energy out to 300 before the 7mm rem mag slowly catches up. The 30-06 is capable of over 3200 ft lbs of muzzle energy and drop is within 5% of 7mm rem mag out to 400 yards. For the wanna be modern snipers there are much better choices than either of these for extreme long range. For hunters who can manage to get within 400 yards they both will kill anything on this continent.
Great calibers ALL 3! You are 100% spot on. They are all 3 wonderful cartridges w/their own little quirks but I’ve gotta agree w/you on long range with the 7mm! One heck of a round, & it’s downrange ballistics are still fascinating & hard to duplicate even in this modern age. With the ol’ .30-06’, that is most likely it’s greatest attribute, available ammo. Keep shooting & straight my friend!
@@rockie307 No arguments from me my friend! I was raised on the ‘06, raised my 3 sons on it & gonna start my 5-yr los grandson, when the time comes. I’ve got loading data for bullets at 90-grains up to 220-grains. Even if someone didn’t like the old 30-06’, they can’t deny it’s the most versatile caliber we have here in North America. I’ve got a Rem 700ADL, an A3-03 w/Peterson slot, my oldest son got my wife’s late fathers 61’ Rem 742 Woodsmaster, my Dad has a WW II “Smith-Corona”, ‘06, but he’s gotten older & hunting is too much for him now. You are right about those Winchester loads, amazing performance! For it to be so old it’s so much more capable than many of these “here today, gone tomorrow”, cartridges that flood the market every year or 2. At least you & I know what is the best to shoot! 😆
I have loaded the Barns x triple shock in 270 Rem and the 280 Rem and was very satisfied. The 270 is an absolute tack driver at 200yrds. Harvested a Mule deer at 411 yards.
I hunt everything with an Ithaca 12g upland gun. It shoots foster slugs very accurately at 25-50y. #6 Pheasant loads for turkeys and pheasants and #7.5 game loads for everything else. And it only weights 6lbs. The area I hunt I can’t take a shot past 50y so that gun works best for me. So versatile for my hunting conditions.
I'm on the same boat. I have more guns than I care to admit, but ultimately that 30.06 can't be beat. (Love my 204, my 243, 270 WSM love love love that one, 26 Nosler is FAST! and my 375 rum. But, the GOAT M1 gerand!) Is arguably best.
My favorite round was the .243. I had Winchester Model 70s in .223, .243, and .300WM. They all had the same trajectory. The .330WM beat the heck out of my shoulder, until I had a 24 hole screw on muzzle brake made for it. That was to be my Elk rifle. The .243 was great for anything from varmints to deer.
@Cody I could also go with a 180 grain round, depending on the day. 150 grain: 2,910 ft per sec; 2,820 ft lbs 180 grain: 2,750 ft per sec; 3,022 ft lbs
I used to be a 150 or 180 grain fan depending on the game but I switched to 178 gr. Hornady ELD-X for all my hunting, and as long as they make those I’ll never switch. They’re as close to the perfect .30-06 cartridge you can get. FYI the recoil is significantly less than Hornady SST 165gr. Or 150gr. SST.
@@T410ce I posted this comment over a year ago, so my taste has changed quite a bit. I really like the 130 grain TTSX Barnes at 3,425 ft/s and 3,386 ft-lbs
@@Canadianhunter I own a Winchester mod 100 automatic in .284, it shoots 1 inch groups. I gave $250.oo for it years ago. I also have a mod. 88 in .284. I know I've killed 68 deer with that rifle. I can go on all day, I own 73 high powered rifles. Mostly Remington and per 64 Wincheste's. I have several Cooper, one 208 AI and one in 6-5 x .284. I ordered a Cooper mod 52 in .300 Win mag. It takes over a year to get a Cooper. All mine shoot ½ or less groups. IMR 4831 is the best powder for the .280 AI. WMR1 is another good powder for tha .280 AI. It was discontinued in 2002. Luckily, I stock up before it was gone.
What I've learned over the course of 50 years of hunting, is that a hunter should always hunt with what they're MOST CONFIDENT with. As for me, I'd pick the 30-06 using a 165 or 168 grain bullet most every time. Of course that .270 WSM launching a 140 grain Accubond is hard to beat.
Most ballistics arguments are mostly ego. So I agree, go with your confidence. All the rest is masturbation. I gave my 30-06 to my youngest brother. The 270 will carry a decent projectile. The model 70 is a right purdy tool. Getting a browning this year. Hah, made in the same plant in Japan.
Thanks for the sharing Ron enjoyed it,I like all guns but I shoot the 308 for here in Tennessee that's the do all for me.i put a copper tipped 125 at 2950 it ain't happy day for the critter.
Plus, copper holds its weight. I shoot 80gr Barnes Vor TX in .243 and have had it punch clean through every deer I have shot with it. That bullet crushes deer, and it is only 80 grains.
A friend of mine runs a moose/ brown bear/grizz operation out of Alaska. Same as me, and between he and our buddies I will say if a guy who did ANY amount of traveling and could only have one caliber he would most likely want a 7mm just like you said. Or a 300 win mag. Now I’m regards to not noticing animals falling or dying faster with a 7mm or 300wm. That I can add to as can they. The 300’Winchester Mag puts browns and moose down much faster and with fewer shots 70 percent of the time! 7mm has a better ballistic coefficient but 300 win mag wins as an all around rifle. Remember you can shoot anything from 130 grain bullets for stupid fast mule deer and antelope up to 220 grain moose thumpers. Lastly If your a reloader this is where both these calibers shine!!!!!!! Thanks for listening
I grew up with family using 7 mm Rem mags in the Pacific NW and it is a bare minimum for Rosevelt Elk . I have 26 years of guiding Moose & Coastal Brown bear hunts in Alaska and I did try my 7 mm Rem mag for Yukon Moose with very bad results so even I like the 7 mm Rem mag I have to say it's not a do all cartridge .
For me being a resident of Missouri the 7mm is a bit too much for an “All-Around”, cartridge. While we are seeing massive increases in Feral Hogs, moderate Black Bears & Mountain Lion #’s, they are still rare. MO., Dept., of Conservation have a Elk herd that they are managing currently & just have begun to sell a very limited # of tags, so it’ll be sometime before it’s commonplace to hunt Elk in MO. For me? Taking hogs, black bears & big kitty’s into the mix I still feel that my ole’ .30-06’ will do everything I need & even my .260 Rem w/it’s great penetration would stop most things here. I keep referencing “here”, as I’ve diagnosed w/a degenerative disease of the spine & recently suffered a heart attack so my “Big”, hunting trips are unfortunately going to be a thing of the past. I however still am able to deer hunt & do some predator hunting all locally. All that said, the 7mm Mag., is a great cartridge & can’t really say anything negative about it.
@@scottsozmtns7534 I find it a bit funny that you say the 7mm is too much for the game you hunt, but then state that the 06 is what you use. With 168gr bullets , the nosler #8 manual has the 06 at 3002 fps with 63gr of RL22, and the 7mm at 3047 with 73gr of retumbo. There's not too much difference there, so why say the 7mm rem mag is too much, while then shooting an 06?
Yep, and if they would’ve put a faster twist barrel, and not pushed it in their lever guns, they’re probably wouldn’t have been all these new fat, fast twist 7’s and 6.5’s.
I had a 7mm Remington years ago and loved it. My problems with is it eats barrels like crazy and it's not enough difference between it and the .270/.30/06 class of cartridges.
I used to tune in my 3030 for 200yds, So it would be good from 50yds up to about 225yds. Shot a lot of deer with that Marlin. Hey Ron, fairly new to your channel, Love it keep it up !
I've shot almost everything 7mm 270 06 everything but 25 06 and 338 I've killed game with them all my favorite is the 300 weatherby magnum with200 grain nosler partition
Finally agreed on the last thing you talked about. Had a Remington 700-30/06. Loaded 165gr. Nosler BT to 2800' per second. A shot group you couldn't put a dime between 3 shot groups at 100yd. Always sighted the gun at 3" high at 100yd. Couldn't miss out 300yd holding dead on. Also you need to explain the old duplex cross hairs with thinner middle hairs & their purpose for range finding.
Ron, you are so spot on with Maximum Point Blank Range. I got it out of O'Conner's book too and it has served me well over the years. It takes the guess work out and no ranging and dialing of the scope. Sighted a .308 and also a .260 in like that and took deer at 300 yards and then some. Thanks for sharing. Stay well and God Bless.
You are the kind of person with a gun in the forest everyone is terrified of! I would bet on it that you have made sound shots during hunting seasons and when you by accident stuck the gun barrel in the mud you put your lips on a loaded gun barrel to bow the dirt out. I have guided many people like you on my hunts in Alaska and seen idiots look at the end of a gun barrel with the gun loaded and take a stick to poke out the mud after a fall.
With ammo being such a critical deciding factor, the 30-06 would probably win. I was ina big sporting goods store yesterday and they had 4 boxes of rifle ammo. 2-3006, 180, 2-300 win. 180’s. Lots of 223.
Ron you are a world of knowledge and they are only a handful of people with your knowledge. I hunted the first 20 years with the 30/06 and never thought of another caliber until I was on a hunt with three friends and two of them were shouldering 270 Winchester. We had a great four day whitetail hunt in which we all took game but on that hunt I was convinced that the 270 would take game effectively all the way up to elk. With less recoil so the last 20 years I have carried 270. But I know that they are many better caliber’s but as you say it’s a matter of what and how far your shooting. Thank you for your content and knowledge.
As a solution for handgun with good bullet BC and Sectional Density, I went with the 30 grendal and 300 whisper, in a AR platform pistol, 10.5” barrel, 5 round mag, can be carried locked and loaded in a vehicle and SxS, topped with a pistol scope makes a great combination for Deer or Elk at short ranges, out to 75 - 100 yds
I’ve never really warmed up to the 7mm Rem Mag. All things beignets equal, (barrel lengths, max powder charges) the 270 can shoot bullets of the same BC and SD at the same velocities as the 7mm with less recoil. I wouldn’t take anything with a 7mm RM that I wouldn’t with a 270. When I need more than a 270 I step up to a 300 Win Mag launching 200 gr bullets at 2900 fps. That 200 gr 300 WM load inspires confidence.
strat1080 ---> The problem with your statement is: they cannot be "equal", for a very simple reason. The 270 Win. uses a .277 caliber bullet. The other one uses a .284 caliber bullet. A .284 is bigger than a .277 (at least it was when I was in school back when 😉.) It will not have the same BC & SD. If you have some extra spending money, you might want to invest in a cartridge information book, such as "Cartridges of the World" by Frank Barnes, or a Lee or Lyman Reloading manual.
I use the Hammer projectiles in the 280 AI when I handload for taking elk. They have been more reliable at quickly taking down big game than anything else I have tried.
Thanks for a great video Ron. I love the MPBR method of shooting. I have my 338 Win Mag striking 5cm high (2 Inches) at 100 meteres and it will strike 14 cm (about 5.5 inches low at 300metres. I just point and shoot at anything out to 300 and no need to think about holdover. I still have to think about wind to some degree, but with a 200grn Hornady SST bullet whizzing along at pretty much 3000 fps not so much
I have a .270 1989 Remington model 700. it's free floated and green Ryonite synthetic. I love it and it's an extremely nice rifle,but almost too extreme . I really like the .243 also but I've never had a 3030 and after getting into black powder I'm somehow intrigued by the cartridge. I've heard so many stories about it and many positive things. Black powder you have to get close to you game and it's a very traditional way of hunting. Same to me with the 3030. Maybe I have to get one sometime. If I can hit with my 54 it shouldn't be an issue with the 3030. I'd just like it in a bolt . It probably won't rip through,but with the bullet weight it has to have a pretty good punch and not damage a lot of meat . 😎
The 8mm Mauser (8x57) is a great all round cartridge. For lighter game the 30-30 Winchester, for big, dangerous, heavy game then the 45-70 govt is the round.
@@nancyfazenbaker3567 Agreed , used to have 3 7stws but just have one now ! One of my favorite loads is a 140 gr Sierra at 3500 fps . ( handload ) !…… Will give you the load if you want .
You had me at “.30-06’”, but left me at .45. It is a tried & true round & the usual platform doesn’t get much better in the 1911. However I’m a accuracy fanatic & I just can’t get the accuracy out of a .45 or .40 S&W like I can with a 9mm. I’m close w/a 10mm but still learning the caliber. I absolutely love the .32 H&R Mag & .32 S&W Long as well in my SAA revolvers. I look at the fps on the .45 & it’s about the same speed as that of a shotgun wad when ejected from the barrel when firing a shotgun. To me personally, that just doesn’t cut it & the weights of bullets are just rainbowed for any distance. I often shoot free hand 9mm at 50 & 100 yards w/my 9mm & not bragging but I wouldn’t walk out in the open in front of me at 100yards or less w/a 9mm in my hand. Plus, I’ll double the ammo count to your .45 & that is a HUGE ++++ when speaking of home/personal defense. I’d say even though we aren’t close on the 45, we’d have lots in common on most everything else firearm related. Take care & remember “A Patriot must be ready at all times to defend his country from it’s government”! Take care!!!
‘06 or 308 Win will handle anything I’m likely to face. But I have artificial shoulders and arthritis that won’t let me shoot either anymore. Sold my guns several years ago and really wish I hadn’t but I needed the money for my shiny new shoulder. You do what you have to do.
You failed to state what kind of bears because Black - Grizzlies and Brown bears aren't all the same and the bigger the bear the bigger the rifle cartridge the hunter better have. I have 26 years guiding Alaskan hunts for Brown bear and Yukon Moose, it came to a point with after nearly killed by a Hugh Yukon bull Moose shot by an idiot client that brought a 30-06 I said to all new clients you bring at least a 338 win mag or go find another guide because the loss of my life or serious injury to me or you isn't worth the stupidity in using deer guns on large and mean animals that will kill you if the hunter messes up. If you or some other green horn like the feel of possibly getting killed in Alaska because they want to use deer guns, then have at it !
Good point about the weight retention . I often see guys arguing about how their eldx or Berger in the 6.5 to 7mm having all this sectional density . That vanishes as those types of bullets blow to pieces on game . Then they argue energy transfer …don’t get me started on that topic 🤦♂️
Thank you for your post Ron. Glad you mentioned MPBR. It is without a doubt the most trouble free practice to follow for successful shooting to 300 yards. I have made a habit of setting my impact point at 3" above center with my sporting rifles.
I too am a big 7MM fan but I think it’s a little misleading to say it outperforms the 300 win mag. That maybe true in the scenario you described but the higher BC bullets are not my first choice in hunting bullets. But I really do love my 7MM and even with my average BC 160 grain hunting bullets I love how it kills game.
It doesn’t out perform it’s just able to get the same job done with less recoil! Shot placement is still the most important thing along with bullet construction on large game like elk!
My 270 Winchester has a Nikon scope with caps on it. Not quickly adjustable so I set it up for mpbr. About 2.75" high at 200yds. My 6.5 CM has a scope with exposed turrets, easily and quickly adjustable, and I have a dope chart taped to the butt stock. But I could easily dial that in for a 300 yd shot and just leave it there and be fine. Whatever works for the individual. Thanks for the great video ron.
The idea by hammer bullets you are describing is old and come originaly from southafrica. Later a guy named Lutz Möller from Germany, who sadly passed away two years ago, pefectioned this idea with his KJG and later with his MJG bullets (Messing Jagd Geschoss). This are leadfree CNC turned driveband bullets. For me the best hunting bullets on earth. By the way i use KJG and MJG bullets for 15 years. Hunted everything from roedeer to eland with it.
The .30-06 is hard cartridge to leave behind, butI haven't used one in years. .308 has done everything I need, and the vast majority of my shooting has been taken over by the mild 6.5 Grendel
The all around cartridge was invented by 1891 in the 6.5×55 Swede that does it all for bigger medium + smaller game or predators from 90gr to 170gr pill with the top SD & BC at 2,700-3,400fps tho 120-140gr is the sweet spot...! Idea being WHY have more then one main centerfire to try to choose "which one to use" = just one of your various carefully hand loaded bullet's N weights to select for the given task...!
I run a 17 hmr, a 223 ackly imp, a 22 creedmore , a 6mm creedmore a 7mmprc and a 300 prc. I got all bases covered in sold the 416 wby and 500 s&w model 89 lever action.... I don't hunt elephants any more but would most likely hunt plains game again.
I have a 7mm-08 for “modern rifle”, for “primitive”, I had MGM make me a 16” 357 Maximum barrel for Thompson G2. And for rare occasions I use a 300 Win Mag.
I have had big powerful rifles up to 7mm rem mag and I loved them all but my favorite is Marlin 30-30. It is my number 1 go to for any big game animal.
The 7 mm. Remington Magnum firing the 160 gr. Winchester combined technologies silvertip boat tails work well for deer and elk. But for a do it all rifle it's the 338 win mag cause you can eat right up to the bullet holes, and I ain't kidding either. It looks like a punch just went clean thru em using the 200 gr. Hot Core bullets from Speer.
To the handgun guy, it all depends on your abilities, your recoil tolerance, your intended game, your expected ranges, etc. I have to be able to consistently hit an aluminum pie pan in the flat, the center area. When I can't, no matter the distance, I've exceeded my limit and will back up to the point where I can hit it. If that is 20 yards, then that's my limit. If it's 120 yards, that is my limit. A 40 S&w is my absolute baseline for small deer and hogs while the 10mm is better and a 357 Sig is a decent choice. To me these are capable out to distances beyond my abilities so 40-50 yards is my limit. Moving to wheel guns the 357 Magnum is my baseline here with 45 LC and 44 mag prefered to it. If you can find one, a 41 magnum is a great option! The 41 will take anything in North America but it's light for big bears in my mind but so are the 44 magnum and 45 LC (others have done it but...). Because the sight radius is longer and I'm more comfortable with the revolver I'll go to maybe 100 or so yards with these. If you can handle more recoil there are some nice big bore options. Of course there is the 500 S&W and the 480 Ruger. The 475 Linebaugh is a beast! On the lighter side of big you have the 454 Casull which can spit out 45 LC just fine. So you can step down in cartridge and recoil for smaller game. If you step up to the 460 S&W you can run 45 LC and 454 Casull. So elk, moose and big bears beware. In these big bores what you have are "handguns" that are heavier than a scoped rifle with cartridges which produce more recoil and less energy than suitable rifle calibres but hey! You got it with a handgun. Another option is the venerable TC which you can scope (you can scope the wheel guns mentioned here too) and use rifle calibres. You can run stuff like a 7-30 Waters, a 44 Rem mag, a 22 hornet, the options are nearly endless. So... What will it be?
To the guy asking about hammer bullets the cutting edge are also a great option they function like the hammers but load like a lead do to their seal tight band design I’ve taken more than a half dozen bucks since I was forced to use them and they preform great from close range to longe range.
Absolutely. California forced my hand…but I absolutely love how they hit like a bolt of lightning. I got tired of having to take a follow up shot with Barnes.
My old 25-06 AI duplicates the 257 Weatherby and kills like the Hammer of Thor ! Not worried about barrel burnout as I only hunt deer with it, the barrel will outlast me !
@@joesawyer1483 Always thought of 180 grain .44 as a self defense loading for that cartridge. On the other hand the heavier bullets always seemed more of a hunting bullet due to better penetration potential. That isn't really an issue on deer though. Pretty soft target. Personally liked standard weight cast bullets at fairly moderate speed in big bore revolvers. Penetration on game animals was good and recoil tolerable. I too like the XTP bullets when a jacketed bullet is called for in any caliber.
@@johnnorman7708 I have killed deer and hogs with the 180 gr. They went through the deer and I never lost the squeal on the hog. I also shoot 139gr Hornady in my 7mag and have never had one run off with it. I do my best to make one shot kill
@@joesawyer1483 Those XTP bullets are good bullets. They are pretty tough compared to a lot of others. If you are getting pass through on deer, they are plenty. Hogs would be the real test on penetration potential for sure. I have used Hornady 140 grain Interlock out of a .270 on deer. Plenty of bullet without the "premium" label or price.
Nothing wrong with that. I've hunted with the fast and furious calibers, but it comes with a price and accesive meat damage. You really don't need velocity more than 2700ft/s - just a good bullet put on the right spot, a sharp knife, good company and the enjoyment of the hunt. Have fun.
The only long gun cartridges I use are.. 22LR CCI 36G CPHP Mini Mag.. 6mm ARC 90g CX , 100g Partition , 103g ELDX.. 308 Win 165g Partition &175g TLR Edge.. 300 WSM 180g Partition & 200g TLR EDGE.. I freaking love my Marlin 1894 Dark Series 357 Mag..
My brother has put a lot of venison in the freezer with the Ruger 44mag Deerfield and if I had to choose 1 cartridge it would be the old 30-06 back in my younger days it was the only rifle I could afford and it done everything asked of it other then game I could use the .22 for
Handgun hunters don’t forget about the tried and true Thompson Center Contender or the Remington XP100. Many calibers to choose from that can greatly increase your range! And once again talk about the 280 AI makes me happy Ron. My only regret is that I didn’t give it a look years ago. Great video and keep up the great work. You have opened the eyes of this veteran outdoorsman and forced me to take off my blinders. Thanks!!!!!!
It’s .308Win and 6.5Creed for me. I’m in Kentucky and don’t make enough money for my guns not to have duel roles. I mostly use AR-10s to hunt whitetail deer. The ammunition is cheap, plentiful, and capable.
Used all. The .30-06 has taken more game for me, has moderate recoil, has a great wound channel, and since most of my game is taken at 25to350 yards, I have never needed more. My M70 with Leupold 4-12x puts 3 Sierra 165gr Game kings into just over 1/2" and 3 200 gr Partitions, into 8/10's at 100 yards .Boring, but reliable as death, taxes, and politicians lying.
I only have enough money for one budgetish priced non-specialized hunting rifle. I'm thinking Rem 700 in 30.06. One rifle to rule them all. I would go .270 but if shtf I want to be able to find ammo
I started with MPBR when I was introduced to big game hunting and have always used it, but didn't know it had a name till I started watching your channel LOL.
Hey Ron, I've gained a wealth of firearms knowledge from you and I greatly appreciate it. My grandfather passed recently and left me a remington Mohawk 600 in .243. I know plenty (thanks to you) about the caliber but would love more info on the rifle itself (Mohawk 600) as it's been difficult to locate. Thanks, Matt
Matt, the 600 Mohawk is the 700 action in a different disguise. Same basic action and trigger. I think they were trying to capture attention/buyers with a distinctive looking carbine, and it certainly is. The standard M600 carbine had a ventilated rib, 18.5" barrel, bent "dog-leg" bolt handle to place the bolt knob just forward of the trigger, supposedly for faster recycling and/or to make clearance for the shooter's grip hand. Plastic trigger guard and magazine baseplate, internal metal magazine box, beech wood stock. Made from about 1972-79. An earlier version , the Model 600, had the plastic ventilated rib and "shark't tooth" front sight blade. The Mohawk did not. About 5.5 pounds. Short, quick, handy. Sort of the bolt-action answer to the lever-action 30-30s. Fun little carbines eventually replaced by the Model Seven. Enjoy.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast thanks so much Ron. I thought the action looked/felt familiar even if the dog leg bolt was throwing me off a bit. It's got an early 80s Redfield variable optic on some weaver see thru rings. I really like it for rough terrain. Short, light, quick n handy as you stated
I believe they made that model in a Magnum model also and pretty sure only two calibres, 6.5 Remington Magnum and .350Remington Magnum. There 18 and 1/2 inch ribbed barrel looked really cool but limited performance of both rounds and neither got picked up in the 700.
I like MPBR, the only caveat I would add is that the accuracy of the system should also be considered. A 3” maximum ordinate at 250y with a 1moa system results in a 2.5” group, thus the probability of any one round could be between 4.25” and 1.75” high.
I advocate for max ordinate (peak trajectory) at about 150 yards, not 250. With 1 MOA rifle you could be 3.75" high at worst at 150 yards. At 250 yards your trajectory would just about match point-of-aim, so with 1 MOA set up you could be off 1.25" from POA in any direction. (All bullets should fall within a 2.5" circle thus all shots should land no farther than half that diameter from POA, right?)
300 Holland & Holland is better than both 7 rem mag and 300win mag. Difficult to find ammunition for the h&h. Action length never bothered me, however the smoothness and reliability of repetition is a significant factor under dire conditions . One of those fine cartridges like the 318 westley richards, 350 Rigby , which gave way to lesser cartridges due to economic constraints.
Good stuff as always. On the 264 Win Mag: I used to have people tell me the barrel wouldn't last 2000 rounds. First, as a hunting rifle for distance, very few folks will ever fire half that. Second, if you back the load off from OMFG to Let's Hustle, back it down 10%, it's still a 1000 yard rifle with the right bullet and powder. And how many people take 1/2 mile shots on game?
@B - Get a Marlin Guide Gun if you can find one in .45-70. It's a whitetail killer and I've taken over 14 with it in the last 15 years. Furthest one has gone was about 30 yards. ;)
I wish someone would make a lever gun in . 350 legend. To hunt deer here in Indiana. We average 50 yards and no more than usually 150 yards as a long shot. ♥️
Buy a 336 in 35 Rem, load 180-grain flat points to 2100, and voila! better killing and mild recoil, like 30-30 levels but with a much wider wound channel.
Ron, the "bigger gun" is for those imperfect opportunities, late in the season... those animals 'been shot at', will flee immediately most times upon contact.
New to your in-person stuff, nowhere near new to your writing. That's because I'm nowhere near to new myself! Anyways, I was thinking about Elmer Keith when you were discussing a preference for the .280 Ackley Improved. Elmer wouldn't be happy with you, Ron, but I am! Thanks for fun and interesting videos. Just like your writing!
About MPBR and shooting at a distance: guy I learned from taught if you're at a long enough distance that you start getting concerned about the drop of the bullet, aim at the backbone centered above the vitals. That way if your closer than you think, you'll still have a hit. And if you are actually that far away, you won't be shooting under. That said, head shots were our preferred choice. The reason: if you miss the zone it's a clean miss, no gut shot wounded deer to track and possible getting lost and dying in some thicket. And if you do hit, it's done. The deer is laying where it was when it's hit.
Barrell, not too bad a system, but fraught with wounding potential. One really needs to know his bullet's trajectory curve (drops and drifts.) And ideally maximum point blank range. Then, when you know your bullet drops, say, 18 inches at 400 yards and you know or are reasonably sure your game is at 350- to 400 yards, you can hold just over its back, knowing that regardless where it stands, the bullet should fall somewhere between 18 inches and 12 inches. Given the chest of an average deer is about 17 inches top to brisket, the bullet should land in the lungs/heart vital zone. With your head shot, much smaller target. And it it not one that alway presents a clean kill or miss. I've seen several deer running in the wild with noses and jaws shot off. Once watched one dropped with a head shot. About a minute later it awoke and stood. A second shot to chest finished it. Turned out the first shot passed just under the brain, yet failed to kill. And it was a 30-06!
Have to pipe up as a hopeless pedantic lol, but a revolver IS a pistol. I realize that auto loaders took on the name 'pistol' in a lot of people's minds, but if you think about it, the old western 'Pistoleros' were not carrying glocks. They carried Colt SSAs, Dragoons, whatever. :) 'Pistol' comes from the Spanish word 'Pistola' meaning 'hand held'. It had nothing to do with the type of action. In fact, the first pistols were flintlocks I believe (I don't think there were any matchlock pistols, but I could be wrong) There , my little rant is done haha. Thanks again for a great video. Appreciate them all.
Never been a fan of the belted magnums. Got my hands on a LAW Professional II Capra in 280AI. Boy, that is a sweet cartridge/rifle combination!!!!! I got wrapped up in the Hammer Bullets too. In the 280AI, I use the 101 gr Hammer Hunter for medium game and the 143 gr Hammer Hunter for large game. Good luck and stay safe! 😉
I did a Mauser 98 into a custom rifle on the 280 Rem so it was great on deer but used in Oregon coast Rosevelt Elk it was really underpower and 2 Elk has been lost because during the Oregon coast Elk seasons the rains from the Pacific Ocean is like a fire house so you need the Elk dead where it stands or if it runs the rain in under 5 minutes or less is washed away along with the tracks can't be told if there new or old. So, my experience with the 280 Rem was 50/50 good and bad. I went back to the 300 Wby mag and the 338 win mag then never lost another Elk and they all died with in 20 feet of being shot. The 338 win mag using Barns TSX 225 grain bullets is a big game crusher ! I have prepped the Winchester Model 70 in 338 win mag the magazine box to accept the 338 RUM for when I change the barrel to a Pac Nor 26 inch 338 RUM.
@@blueduck9409 Agreed but the bullet weight selection for the 06 is much wider. It boils down to a matter of taste. Like the saying goes, "If it can't be done with an 06 it probably can't be done".
In my state of Texas, the largest native game would be mule deer, since Buffalo are gone. It all depends on where I'm going to hunt and what is the quarry. If I had to choose only one gun to last the rest of my life to hunt deer with in Texas, it would be a 308 win. They're really hard to beat for medium size game at ranges under 300 yards. Bags antelope just as good as my 257 Weatherby out here in west Texas, just takes a mite longer for the bullet to get there. Now that I'm 63 and not all that Gung Ho hunting with my magnums as much, its still very rewarding to go to the range and poke a single jagged hole 3 shot group with that old gun.
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I’ve hunted all my life in Maryland and love the 270wsm feel I know a good bit about rifles and rounds but I’m always learning something from this guy. Love the channel
Before I watch this vid, I'll say if confined/limited to 1 cartridge, it would be .30-06
1) I'm a Fudd
2) under 100yds, flat shooting enough to be a reliable "brush gun"
3) right bullet loading it works on all game in U.S.
My opinion, anyway
Andy, you're selling the 30-06 short with #2. The 30-06 is flat shooting enough to be a deadly "brush" cartridge to 300 yards. The brush might be too thick to allow this, but the cartridge/bullet can sure handle it.
I don't even know how many guns I have. It's a toss of a coin for me between 30-06 and 6.5x55. I've never had a use for a magnum even though I have a bunch of them 😆.
@@georgemcarthur488 that 6.5×55 is a good round. For decades the Swedes and others used it for everything they hunted in northern Europe including moose.
It isn't exactly left in the dust by the glorious 6.5 Creedmoor which was the unnecessary answer to its ballistic twin, the 260 Remington. (My opinion of course.)
@@slomo1562 it's a beautiful round. I have several '96's. My first hunting rifle was and old sporterized carbine with a hundred year old shot out barrel but still pretty good and shot through any deer at any angle and the tree behind it 😆 with a 156 grain bullet only doing about 2300fps. I put one together on a '98 action with a 25" barrel a few years ago. Velocity wise it spanks the creedmoor and ties the 6.5x284.
30.06
35 Whelen for all the hunting I do . Even in the mountains . 225 grain accubond performs amazing
35 Whelen is a bad ass cartridge. I also love the 300 Savage
12 ga, 22lr, 308, 270 and 30-06 are hard to beat. If you have one of them you can generally find ammo. If you shoot it well even better. I don't get caught up in marketing crwp.
well said mate here in new zealand 303s did the job for years and those calibers you mentioned are or were mainstays aswell, i have a mate with a number 4 actioned 303 with a rare new barrel plastic stock and an old burris on it and it shoots brilliant
12ga 22LR and .308 in one gun cabinet would represent a very universal hunting collection. These three cartridges off the self ammo comes in a great number of options. I have to say I love my 12 gauges and the diversity that the loads gives its users.
Same here have 1 or 2 of all of those including 22mag n 3030 n 20gauge
Savage 220 20ga is better
6.5 PRC beats out 95% of those rifles
300wsm will beat the other 5%
And I did it with 3 guns
Yeah but you pay twice has much for PRC ammo. Lowesr price I've seen for a box is 50 bux 😒@Honkers716
12:20 - The best Pistol Calibre Carbine (PCC) for close range deer hunting has to be the 10mm. Hi-Point, Extar, P2A Patriot, Grand Power Stribog. You have choices. Hi-Point is the most affordable at about $430 US. The Stribog is maybe $1,500 US. 10mm is good to say, 150 yards, probably even 200 yards and it can take game way bigger than whitetails too...
8:04 7mmRM v 300WinMag. I agree with opting for the 7RM as the preferred option, but it would also be a close choice with 30-06 180gr, especially if you dont need the extra down range capability of the 7RM. The 30-06 will be cheaper and more readily available even today.
Watched a video a couple months ago about shooting 30-06 at a mile. It's perfectly capable of 1000 yard plus shots, and unlike the 6.5s actually has enough energy to kill something at that range.
They aren’t in the same category.
Look at winchester accubond lr ammo compare 30-06 to 7mm rem mag 30-06 has more energy out to 300 before the 7mm rem mag slowly catches up. The 30-06 is capable of over 3200 ft lbs of muzzle energy and drop is within 5% of 7mm rem mag out to 400 yards. For the wanna be modern snipers there are much better choices than either of these for extreme long range. For hunters who can manage to get within 400 yards they both will kill anything on this continent.
Great calibers ALL 3! You are 100% spot on. They are all 3 wonderful cartridges w/their own little quirks but I’ve gotta agree w/you on long range with the 7mm! One heck of a round, & it’s downrange ballistics are still fascinating & hard to duplicate even in this modern age. With the ol’ .30-06’, that is most likely it’s greatest attribute, available ammo. Keep shooting & straight my friend!
@@rockie307 No arguments from me my friend! I was raised on the ‘06, raised my 3 sons on it & gonna start my 5-yr los grandson, when the time comes. I’ve got loading data for bullets at 90-grains up to 220-grains. Even if someone didn’t like the old 30-06’, they can’t deny it’s the most versatile caliber we have here in North America. I’ve got a Rem 700ADL, an A3-03 w/Peterson slot, my oldest son got my wife’s late fathers 61’ Rem 742 Woodsmaster, my Dad has a WW II “Smith-Corona”, ‘06, but he’s gotten older & hunting is too much for him now. You are right about those Winchester loads, amazing performance! For it to be so old it’s so much more capable than many of these “here today, gone tomorrow”, cartridges that flood the market every year or 2. At least you & I know what is the best to shoot! 😆
I have loaded the Barns x triple shock in 270 Rem and the 280 Rem and was very satisfied. The 270 is an absolute tack driver at 200yrds. Harvested a Mule deer at 411 yards.
I hunt everything with an Ithaca 12g upland gun. It shoots foster slugs very accurately at 25-50y. #6 Pheasant loads for turkeys and pheasants and #7.5 game loads for everything else. And it only weights 6lbs. The area I hunt I can’t take a shot past 50y so that gun works best for me. So versatile for my hunting conditions.
Hey! We will not have any of this out of the box thinking here.
Team 7mm rem mag 👍👍
I'm too poor for that ammo. I'll have to get by with my 30-06.
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7mm rem mag👍💪👍
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@@sylviajones3355 the 06 is also great
I haven’t found the perfect caliber yet. 3 fun safes full, and I’m still looking!!!😆
Challenging business, isn't it? Keep on trying!
Know the feeling just bought my 3rd safe lol
Try a 30-06 it has worked for me
I'm on the same boat. I have more guns than I care to admit, but ultimately that 30.06 can't be beat. (Love my 204, my 243, 270 WSM love love love that one, 26 Nosler is FAST! and my 375 rum. But, the GOAT M1 gerand!) Is arguably best.
My favorite round was the .243. I had Winchester Model 70s in .223, .243, and .300WM. They all had the same trajectory. The .330WM beat the heck out of my shoulder, until I had a 24 hole screw on muzzle brake made for it. That was to be my Elk rifle. The .243 was great for anything from varmints to deer.
absolutamente sin entrar en quilombo 223 practica combina con cualquier 243 or 270
My go-to everyday, all-round cartridge is 30-06 150 grain!👍
@Cody I could also go with a 180 grain round, depending on the day.
150 grain: 2,910 ft per sec; 2,820 ft lbs
180 grain: 2,750 ft per sec; 3,022 ft lbs
30-06 168-180 grains under 400 yards why do you need anything else if you aren't hunting brown or polar bears?
@@vincew4765 For me, 30-06 must be at least 2,750 ft per sec or more. So the heaviest I'll use is 180 grain rounds, nothing heavier!
I used to be a 150 or 180 grain fan depending on the game but I switched to 178 gr. Hornady ELD-X for all my hunting, and as long as they make those I’ll never switch. They’re as close to the perfect .30-06 cartridge you can get. FYI the recoil is significantly less than Hornady SST 165gr. Or 150gr. SST.
@@T410ce I posted this comment over a year ago, so my taste has changed quite a bit. I really like the 130 grain TTSX Barnes at 3,425 ft/s and 3,386 ft-lbs
Ron, it was great to hear you on Joseph Von Benedikt’s podcast. Thank you to both of you for all the work you both have done over the years.
I am certainly a fan of the 280 and 280ai
Same. I have several of both.
@@ricktaylor3748 I also have a 284 Winchester which I really like. All great cartridges
@@Canadianhunter I own a Winchester mod 100 automatic in .284, it shoots 1 inch groups. I gave $250.oo for it years ago. I also have a mod. 88 in .284. I know I've killed 68 deer with that rifle.
I can go on all day, I own 73 high powered rifles. Mostly Remington and per 64 Wincheste's. I have several Cooper, one 208 AI and one in 6-5 x .284. I ordered a Cooper mod 52 in .300 Win mag. It takes over a year to get a Cooper.
All mine shoot ½ or less groups.
IMR 4831 is the best powder for the .280 AI. WMR1 is another good powder for tha .280 AI. It was discontinued in 2002.
Luckily, I stock up before it was gone.
What I've learned over the course of 50 years of hunting, is that a hunter should always hunt with what they're MOST CONFIDENT with. As for me, I'd pick the 30-06 using a 165 or 168 grain bullet most every time. Of course that .270 WSM launching a 140 grain Accubond is hard to beat.
Loving my winchester model 70 in 270 wsm oh yeah
Most ballistics arguments are mostly ego. So I agree, go with your confidence. All the rest is masturbation.
I gave my 30-06 to my youngest brother. The 270 will carry a decent projectile.
The model 70 is a right purdy tool. Getting a browning this year. Hah, made in the same plant in Japan.
Thanks for the sharing Ron enjoyed it,I like all guns but I shoot the 308 for here in Tennessee that's the do all for me.i put a copper tipped 125 at 2950 it ain't happy day for the critter.
Plus, copper holds its weight. I shoot 80gr Barnes Vor TX in .243 and have had it punch clean through every deer I have shot with it. That bullet crushes deer, and it is only 80 grains.
A friend of mine runs a moose/ brown bear/grizz operation out of Alaska. Same as me, and between he and our buddies I will say if a guy who did ANY amount of traveling and could only have one caliber he would most likely want a 7mm just like you said. Or a 300 win mag. Now I’m regards to not noticing animals falling or dying faster with a 7mm or 300wm. That I can add to as can they. The 300’Winchester Mag puts browns and moose down much faster and with fewer shots 70 percent of the time! 7mm has a better ballistic coefficient but 300 win mag wins as an all around rifle. Remember you can shoot anything from 130 grain bullets for stupid fast mule deer and antelope up to 220 grain moose thumpers. Lastly If your a reloader this is where both these calibers shine!!!!!!! Thanks for listening
I already did. 30-06. As Jack O'Connor said, it's the round agaiinst which all other cartridges are judged.
I absolutely love my 7mm Rem Mag - I feel like it is the absolute perfect cartridge for a "do it all" rifle
I grew up with family using 7 mm Rem mags in the Pacific NW and it is a bare minimum for Rosevelt Elk .
I have 26 years of guiding Moose & Coastal Brown bear hunts in Alaska and I did try my 7 mm Rem mag for Yukon Moose with very bad results so even I like the 7 mm Rem mag I have to say it's not a do all cartridge .
@@Lure-Benson Agreed.
For me being a resident of Missouri the 7mm is a bit too much for an “All-Around”, cartridge. While we are seeing massive increases in Feral Hogs, moderate Black Bears & Mountain Lion #’s, they are still rare. MO., Dept., of Conservation have a Elk herd that they are managing currently & just have begun to sell a very limited # of tags, so it’ll be sometime before it’s commonplace to hunt Elk in MO. For me? Taking hogs, black bears & big kitty’s into the mix I still feel that my ole’ .30-06’ will do everything I need & even my .260 Rem w/it’s great penetration would stop most things here. I keep referencing “here”, as I’ve diagnosed w/a degenerative disease of the spine & recently suffered a heart attack so my “Big”, hunting trips are unfortunately going to be a thing of the past. I however still am able to deer hunt & do some predator hunting all locally. All that said, the 7mm Mag., is a great cartridge & can’t really say anything negative about it.
@@scottsozmtns7534 Good hunting mate - and shoot straight!! 👍
@@scottsozmtns7534 I find it a bit funny that you say the 7mm is too much for the game you hunt, but then state that the 06 is what you use. With 168gr bullets , the nosler #8 manual has the 06 at 3002 fps with 63gr of RL22, and the 7mm at 3047 with 73gr of retumbo. There's not too much difference there, so why say the 7mm rem mag is too much, while then shooting an 06?
My dad had the 284 win and I didn't realize it but now looking back what a great caliber
Yep, and if they would’ve put a faster twist barrel, and not pushed it in their lever guns, they’re probably wouldn’t have been all these new fat, fast twist 7’s and 6.5’s.
I had a 7mm Remington years ago and loved it. My problems with is it eats barrels like crazy and it's not enough difference between it and the .270/.30/06 class of cartridges.
.308 Win in 165 grain Accubond. Will kill ANYTHING in NA and is good for any plains game in Africa.
Also 150gr superformance sst.
Also easier to find in most countries due to the 7.62 x 51 NATO. Probably the most popular cartridge in North America & Europe.
Agreed
I used to tune in my 3030 for 200yds, So it would be good from 50yds up to about 225yds. Shot a lot of deer with that Marlin. Hey Ron, fairly new to your channel, Love it keep it up !
30-30 has taken more game in America than any other
Lots of great successful hunting calipers out there. It is something to note they are all measured against the 30.06.
Totally man!”
I've shot almost everything 7mm 270 06 everything but 25 06 and 338 I've killed game with them all my favorite is the 300 weatherby magnum with200 grain nosler partition
Finally agreed on the last thing you talked about. Had a Remington 700-30/06. Loaded 165gr. Nosler BT to 2800' per second. A shot group you couldn't put a dime between 3 shot groups at 100yd. Always sighted the gun at 3" high at 100yd. Couldn't miss out 300yd holding dead on. Also you need to explain the old duplex cross hairs with thinner middle hairs & their purpose for range finding.
I love my 7 rem mag. I am not afraid to air one out with it
Ron, you are so spot on with Maximum Point Blank Range. I got it out of O'Conner's book too and it has served me well over the years. It takes the guess work out and no ranging and dialing of the scope. Sighted a .308 and also a .260 in like that and took deer at 300 yards and then some. Thanks for sharing. Stay well and God Bless.
You are the kind of person with a gun in the forest everyone is terrified of!
I would bet on it that you have made sound shots during hunting seasons and when you by accident stuck the gun barrel in the mud you put your lips on a loaded gun barrel to bow the dirt out.
I have guided many people like you on my hunts in Alaska and seen idiots look at the end of a gun barrel with the gun loaded and take a stick to poke out the mud after a fall.
Another Great Video with allot of great information!! I'm a 7MM Rem Mag fan and will never change. If it's not broke, don't fix it.
With ammo being such a critical deciding factor, the 30-06 would probably win. I was ina big sporting goods store yesterday and they had 4 boxes of rifle ammo. 2-3006, 180, 2-300 win. 180’s. Lots of 223.
Ron - could listen to you all day long. Thanks for your content.
Thank you.
Ron you are a world of knowledge and they are only a handful of people with your knowledge. I hunted the first 20 years with the 30/06 and never thought of another caliber until I was on a hunt with three friends and two of them were shouldering 270 Winchester. We had a great four day whitetail hunt in which we all took game but on that hunt I was convinced that the 270 would take game effectively all the way up to elk. With less recoil so the last 20 years I have carried 270. But I know that they are many better caliber’s but as you say it’s a matter of what and how far your shooting. Thank you for your content and knowledge.
mi like es porque entiende que el 270 es un calibre igual de bueno
esta en todas partes
llevo 30 años sin pagar un laton
As a solution for handgun with good bullet BC and Sectional Density, I went with the 30 grendal and 300 whisper, in a AR platform pistol, 10.5” barrel, 5 round mag, can be carried locked and loaded in a vehicle and SxS, topped with a pistol scope makes a great combination for Deer or Elk at short ranges, out to 75 - 100 yds
I’ve never really warmed up to the 7mm Rem Mag. All things beignets equal, (barrel lengths, max powder charges) the 270 can shoot bullets of the same BC and SD at the same velocities as the 7mm with less recoil.
I wouldn’t take anything with a 7mm RM that I wouldn’t with a 270. When I need more than a 270 I step up to a 300 Win Mag launching 200 gr bullets at 2900 fps. That 200 gr 300 WM load inspires confidence.
Beignets. Yummmmm!
strat1080 ---> The problem with your statement is: they cannot be "equal", for a very simple reason. The 270 Win. uses a .277 caliber bullet. The other one uses a .284 caliber bullet. A .284 is bigger than a .277 (at least it was when I was in school back when 😉.) It will not have the same BC & SD.
If you have some extra spending money, you might want to invest in a cartridge information book, such as "Cartridges of the World" by Frank Barnes, or a Lee or Lyman Reloading manual.
I use the Hammer projectiles in the 280 AI when I handload for taking elk. They have been more reliable at quickly taking down big game than anything else I have tried.
Thanks for a great video Ron. I love the MPBR method of shooting.
I have my 338 Win Mag striking 5cm high (2 Inches) at 100 meteres and it will strike 14 cm (about 5.5 inches low at 300metres.
I just point and shoot at anything out to 300 and no need to think about holdover. I still have to think about wind to some degree, but with a 200grn Hornady SST bullet whizzing along at pretty much 3000 fps not so much
Thank you from Canada
Man! Talk about useful information - this was a very informative podcast! Thank you! I always enjoy your videos!
🤔 Yes, I will guess 7mm Remington Magnum! I am glad that you found something that you like! 👍
I have a .270 1989 Remington model 700. it's free floated and green Ryonite synthetic. I love it and it's an extremely nice rifle,but almost too extreme . I really like the .243 also but I've never had a 3030 and after getting into black powder I'm somehow intrigued by the cartridge. I've heard so many stories about it and many positive things. Black powder you have to get close to you game and it's a very traditional way of hunting. Same to me with the 3030. Maybe I have to get one sometime. If I can hit with my 54 it shouldn't be an issue with the 3030. I'd just like it in a bolt . It probably won't rip through,but with the bullet weight it has to have a pretty good punch and not damage a lot of meat . 😎
Magnum to me means nothing to me until you get to 308 Norma or 338 win mag.
The 8mm Mauser (8x57) is a great all round cartridge. For lighter game the 30-30 Winchester, for big, dangerous, heavy game then the 45-70 govt is the round.
Ron Spomer indoors.....
An excellent cartridge that is overlooked is the 7 STW , 200 fps faster than the 7 REM mag in all bullet weights !…… Thanks Ron
I agree. I have a 7 rem mag and a 7 stw. The stw was the 28 nosler before the 28 nosler. That 7mm .284 pill is a perfect size for deer in my opinion.
@@nancyfazenbaker3567 Agreed , used to have 3 7stws but just have one now ! One of my favorite loads is a 140 gr Sierra at 3500 fps . ( handload ) !…… Will give you the load if you want .
You can do everything with the 30-06 and for personal protection nothing beats the 45 AARP!😀
You had me at “.30-06’”, but left me at .45. It is a tried & true round & the usual platform doesn’t get much better in the 1911. However I’m a accuracy fanatic & I just can’t get the accuracy out of a .45 or .40 S&W like I can with a 9mm. I’m close w/a 10mm but still learning the caliber. I absolutely love the .32 H&R Mag & .32 S&W Long as well in my SAA revolvers. I look at the fps on the .45 & it’s about the same speed as that of a shotgun wad when ejected from the barrel when firing a shotgun. To me personally, that just doesn’t cut it & the weights of bullets are just rainbowed for any distance. I often shoot free hand 9mm at 50 & 100 yards w/my 9mm & not bragging but I wouldn’t walk out in the open in front of me at 100yards or less w/a 9mm in my hand. Plus, I’ll double the ammo count to your .45 & that is a HUGE ++++ when speaking of home/personal defense. I’d say even though we aren’t close on the 45, we’d have lots in common on most everything else firearm related. Take care & remember “A Patriot must be ready at all times to defend his country from it’s government”! Take care!!!
Exactly, if I could only have one cartridge for everything , it’d be the good ol’ ought 6…..
‘06 or 308 Win will handle anything I’m likely to face. But I have artificial shoulders and arthritis that won’t let me shoot either anymore. Sold my guns several years ago and really wish I hadn’t but I needed the money for my shiny new shoulder. You do what you have to do.
You failed to state what kind of bears because Black - Grizzlies and Brown bears aren't all the same and the bigger the bear the bigger the rifle cartridge the hunter better have.
I have 26 years guiding Alaskan hunts for Brown bear and Yukon Moose, it came to a point with after nearly killed by a Hugh Yukon bull Moose shot by an idiot client that brought a 30-06 I said to all new clients you bring at least a 338 win mag or go find another guide because the loss of my life or serious injury to me or you isn't worth the stupidity in using deer guns on large and mean animals that will kill you if the hunter messes up.
If you or some other green horn like the feel of possibly getting killed in Alaska because they want to use deer guns, then have at it !
30-06 with a 165 boat tail is a very fast long range combo
Guys get so caught up hitting a target at 300 yards that they miss the deer at 25 yards!
Good point about the weight retention . I often see guys arguing about how their eldx or Berger in the 6.5 to 7mm having all this sectional density . That vanishes as those types of bullets blow to pieces on game . Then they argue energy transfer …don’t get me started on that topic 🤦♂️
PCC typically refers to auto loader cartridges in semi-autos. A 10 mm would about be the ceiling.
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@@andrewgates8158 I'm assuming that would take a conversation barrel most of the time though.
The 10mm would be a good choice in a PCC for hunting. Though why anyone would want to use a PCC for hunting anything other than bad guys is beyond me.
@@userJohnSmith yes. Or ream the barrel chamber slightly longer on a 45 acp.
One gun 30-06 all day long only gun i trust 💯 percent had all the greats but ive trusted the 30-06 my intire life number one
Thank you for your post Ron. Glad you mentioned MPBR. It is without a doubt the most trouble free practice to follow for successful shooting to 300 yards. I have made a habit of setting my impact point at 3" above center with my sporting rifles.
I worked up a load with hammer bullets for a 358 ST Alaskan . It shoots around 1 inch at 200 yards.
I too am a big 7MM fan but I think it’s a little misleading to say it outperforms the 300 win mag. That maybe true in the scenario you described but the higher BC bullets are not my first choice in hunting bullets. But I really do love my 7MM and even with my average BC 160 grain hunting bullets I love how it kills game.
It doesn’t out perform it’s just able to get the same job done with less recoil! Shot placement is still the most important thing along with bullet construction on large game like elk!
My 270 Winchester has a Nikon scope with caps on it. Not quickly adjustable so I set it up for mpbr. About 2.75" high at 200yds. My 6.5 CM has a scope with exposed turrets, easily and quickly adjustable, and I have a dope chart taped to the butt stock. But I could easily dial that in for a 300 yd shot and just leave it there and be fine. Whatever works for the individual. Thanks for the great video ron.
The idea by hammer bullets you are describing is old and come originaly from southafrica. Later a guy named Lutz Möller from Germany, who sadly passed away two years ago, pefectioned this idea with his KJG and later with his MJG bullets (Messing Jagd Geschoss). This are leadfree CNC turned driveband bullets. For me the best hunting bullets on earth. By the way i use KJG and MJG bullets for 15 years. Hunted everything from roedeer to eland with it.
The .30-06 is hard cartridge to leave behind, butI haven't used one in years.
.308 has done everything I need, and the vast majority of my shooting has been taken over by the mild 6.5 Grendel
270WSM 👍
Appreciate your science based explanations and breadth of knowledge. Thanks mucho!
The all around cartridge was invented by 1891 in the 6.5×55 Swede that does it all for bigger medium + smaller game or predators from 90gr to 170gr pill with the top SD & BC at 2,700-3,400fps tho 120-140gr is the sweet spot...!
Idea being WHY have more then one main centerfire to try to choose "which one to use" = just one of your various carefully hand loaded bullet's N weights to select for the given task...!
I'm definitely a 7x57 mm fan but if I need anything bigger I'll take my .280 Rem or 30.06 spr.
I run a 17 hmr, a 223 ackly imp, a 22 creedmore , a 6mm creedmore a 7mmprc and a 300 prc. I got all bases covered in sold the 416 wby and 500 s&w model 89 lever action.... I don't hunt elephants any more but would most likely hunt plains game again.
I have a 7mm-08 for “modern rifle”, for “primitive”, I had MGM make me a 16” 357 Maximum barrel for Thompson G2. And for rare occasions I use a 300 Win Mag.
I have had big powerful rifles up to 7mm rem mag and I loved them all but my favorite is Marlin 30-30. It is my number 1 go to for any big game animal.
The 7 mm. Remington Magnum firing the 160 gr. Winchester combined technologies silvertip boat tails work well for deer and elk. But for a do it all rifle it's the 338 win mag cause you can eat right up to the bullet holes, and I ain't kidding either. It looks like a punch just went clean thru em using the 200 gr. Hot Core bullets from Speer.
To the handgun guy, it all depends on your abilities, your recoil tolerance, your intended game, your expected ranges, etc.
I have to be able to consistently hit an aluminum pie pan in the flat, the center area. When I can't, no matter the distance, I've exceeded my limit and will back up to the point where I can hit it. If that is 20 yards, then that's my limit. If it's 120 yards, that is my limit.
A 40 S&w is my absolute baseline for small deer and hogs while the 10mm is better and a 357 Sig is a decent choice. To me these are capable out to distances beyond my abilities so 40-50 yards is my limit.
Moving to wheel guns the 357 Magnum is my baseline here with 45 LC and 44 mag prefered to it. If you can find one, a 41 magnum is a great option! The 41 will take anything in North America but it's light for big bears in my mind but so are the 44 magnum and 45 LC (others have done it but...). Because the sight radius is longer and I'm more comfortable with the revolver I'll go to maybe 100 or so yards with these.
If you can handle more recoil there are some nice big bore options. Of course there is the 500 S&W and the 480 Ruger. The 475 Linebaugh is a beast! On the lighter side of big you have the 454 Casull which can spit out 45 LC just fine. So you can step down in cartridge and recoil for smaller game. If you step up to the 460 S&W you can run 45 LC and 454 Casull. So elk, moose and big bears beware.
In these big bores what you have are "handguns" that are heavier than a scoped rifle with cartridges which produce more recoil and less energy than suitable rifle calibres but hey! You got it with a handgun.
Another option is the venerable TC which you can scope (you can scope the wheel guns mentioned here too) and use rifle calibres. You can run stuff like a 7-30 Waters, a 44 Rem mag, a 22 hornet, the options are nearly endless.
So... What will it be?
To the guy asking about hammer bullets the cutting edge are also a great option they function like the hammers but load like a lead do to their seal tight band design I’ve taken more than a half dozen bucks since I was forced to use them and they preform great from close range to longe range.
Absolutely. California forced my hand…but I absolutely love how they hit like a bolt of lightning. I got tired of having to take a follow up shot with Barnes.
My old 25-06 AI duplicates the 257 Weatherby and kills like the Hammer of Thor ! Not worried about barrel burnout as I only hunt deer with it, the barrel will outlast me !
yes and whoever owns it after you also
My favorite pistol is a 44 mag in the Ruger Red Hawk double action. I shoot Hornady 180 grain
Just curious. Why the reduced bullet weight in such a heavy robust revolver?
@@johnnorman7708 If I can't kill it with 180 a 200 or 240 want do it plus I like Hornady ammo
@@joesawyer1483 Always thought of 180 grain .44 as a self defense loading for that cartridge. On the other hand the heavier bullets always seemed more of a hunting bullet due to better penetration potential. That isn't really an issue on deer though. Pretty soft target. Personally liked standard weight cast bullets at fairly moderate speed in big bore revolvers. Penetration on game animals was good and recoil tolerable. I too like the XTP bullets when a jacketed bullet is called for in any caliber.
@@johnnorman7708 I have killed deer and hogs with the 180 gr. They went through the deer and I never lost the squeal on the hog. I also shoot 139gr Hornady in my 7mag and have never had one run off with it. I do my best to make one shot kill
@@joesawyer1483 Those XTP bullets are good bullets. They are pretty tough compared to a lot of others. If you are getting pass through on deer, they are plenty. Hogs would be the real test on penetration potential for sure. I have used Hornady 140 grain Interlock out of a .270 on deer. Plenty of bullet without the "premium" label or price.
Well I know he won’t choose 308.
Spoiler
I might, pick it just because of the array of ammo on the shelf.And I don't even own one.
Nothing wrong with that. I've hunted with the fast and furious calibers, but it comes with a price and accesive meat damage. You really don't need velocity more than 2700ft/s - just a good bullet put on the right spot, a sharp knife, good company and the enjoyment of the hunt. Have fun.
(308) Over 100 whitetails DOA
@@tomfouche6995 Tom, that is the perfect response. TH-cam only lets me give you 1 thumbs up but I would have given you more if they would let me
The only long gun cartridges I use are..
22LR CCI 36G CPHP Mini Mag..
6mm ARC 90g CX , 100g Partition , 103g ELDX..
308 Win 165g Partition &175g TLR Edge..
300 WSM 180g Partition & 200g TLR EDGE..
I freaking love my Marlin 1894 Dark Series 357 Mag..
My brother has put a lot of venison in the freezer with the Ruger 44mag Deerfield and if I had to choose 1 cartridge it would be the old 30-06 back in my younger days it was the only rifle I could afford and it done everything asked of it other then game I could use the .22 for
Keeping it simple and sane.
Handgun hunters don’t forget about the tried and true Thompson Center Contender or the Remington XP100. Many calibers to choose from that can greatly increase your range! And once again talk about the 280 AI makes me happy Ron. My only regret is that I didn’t give it a look years ago. Great video and keep up the great work. You have opened the eyes of this veteran outdoorsman and forced me to take off my blinders. Thanks!!!!!!
It’s .308Win and 6.5Creed for me. I’m in Kentucky and don’t make enough money for my guns not to have duel roles. I mostly use AR-10s to hunt whitetail deer. The ammunition is cheap, plentiful, and capable.
I haven't shot an animal with hammer bullets but they do shoot well. I have a 358 STA and it shoots 1"to 1-1/2" at 200 yards
Used all. The .30-06 has taken more game for me, has moderate recoil, has a great wound channel, and since most of my game is taken at 25to350 yards, I have never needed more. My M70 with Leupold 4-12x puts 3 Sierra 165gr Game kings into just over 1/2" and 3 200 gr Partitions, into 8/10's at 100 yards .Boring, but reliable as death, taxes, and politicians lying.
I only have enough money for one budgetish priced non-specialized hunting rifle. I'm thinking Rem 700 in 30.06. One rifle to rule them all. I would go .270 but if shtf I want to be able to find ammo
7mm Rem in my Ruger M77 has never let me down...
Me too…. Love it, topped with a Leupold
7mm rem mag was my thought when i read your title! great all around cartridge!
I started with MPBR when I was introduced to big game hunting and have always used it, but didn't know it had a name till I started watching your channel LOL.
Now that I got your attention. Why did my 30-30 didn't burn SR4759 powder completely ? There was some granules left in my barrel 😒
Hey Ron, I've gained a wealth of firearms knowledge from you and I greatly appreciate it. My grandfather passed recently and left me a remington Mohawk 600 in .243. I know plenty (thanks to you) about the caliber but would love more info on the rifle itself (Mohawk 600) as it's been difficult to locate. Thanks, Matt
Matt, the 600 Mohawk is the 700 action in a different disguise. Same basic action and trigger. I think they were trying to capture attention/buyers with a distinctive looking carbine, and it certainly is. The standard M600 carbine had a ventilated rib, 18.5" barrel, bent "dog-leg" bolt handle to place the bolt knob just forward of the trigger, supposedly for faster recycling and/or to make clearance for the shooter's grip hand. Plastic trigger guard and magazine baseplate, internal metal magazine box, beech wood stock. Made from about 1972-79. An earlier version , the Model 600, had the plastic ventilated rib and "shark't tooth" front sight blade. The Mohawk did not. About 5.5 pounds. Short, quick, handy. Sort of the bolt-action answer to the lever-action 30-30s. Fun little carbines eventually replaced by the Model Seven. Enjoy.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast thanks so much Ron. I thought the action looked/felt familiar even if the dog leg bolt was throwing me off a bit. It's got an early 80s Redfield variable optic on some weaver see thru rings. I really like it for rough terrain. Short, light, quick n handy as you stated
They are horrible, you should send it to me immediately for proper disposal!!!! 😆
I believe they made that model in a Magnum model also and pretty sure only two calibres, 6.5 Remington Magnum and .350Remington Magnum. There 18 and 1/2 inch ribbed barrel looked really cool but limited performance of both rounds and neither got picked up in the 700.
I like MPBR, the only caveat I would add is that the accuracy of the system should also be considered. A 3” maximum ordinate at 250y with a 1moa system results in a 2.5” group, thus the probability of any one round could be between 4.25” and 1.75” high.
I advocate for max ordinate (peak trajectory) at about 150 yards, not 250. With 1 MOA rifle you could be 3.75" high at worst at 150 yards. At 250 yards your trajectory would just about match point-of-aim, so with 1 MOA set up you could be off 1.25" from POA in any direction. (All bullets should fall within a 2.5" circle thus all shots should land no farther than half that diameter from POA, right?)
300 Holland & Holland is better than both 7 rem mag and 300win mag. Difficult to find ammunition for the h&h. Action length never bothered me, however the smoothness and reliability of repetition is a significant factor under dire conditions . One of those fine cartridges like the 318 westley richards, 350 Rigby , which gave way to lesser cartridges due to economic constraints.
Good stuff as always.
On the 264 Win Mag: I used to have people tell me the barrel wouldn't last 2000 rounds.
First, as a hunting rifle for distance, very few folks will ever fire half that.
Second, if you back the load off from OMFG to Let's Hustle, back it down 10%, it's still a 1000 yard rifle with the right bullet and powder. And how many people take 1/2 mile shots on game?
@B - Get a Marlin Guide Gun if you can find one in .45-70. It's a whitetail killer and I've taken over 14 with it in the last 15 years. Furthest one has gone was about 30 yards. ;)
I wish someone would make a lever gun in . 350 legend. To hunt deer here in Indiana. We average 50 yards and no more than usually 150 yards as a long shot. ♥️
Buy a 336 in 35 Rem, load 180-grain flat points to 2100, and voila! better killing and mild recoil, like 30-30 levels but with a much wider wound channel.
Looks like Remington listened to you.
@@OutsidetheEchochamber really? I've not heard this yet? Do you have a link talking about it? Thanks in advance..
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@@OutsidetheEchochamber Thanks so much kind sir..
Ron, the "bigger gun" is for those imperfect opportunities, late in the season... those animals 'been shot at', will flee immediately most times upon contact.
Regarding MPBR if you have a zero stop on the scope zero at 100yds dial for mpbr and if you need to go farther dial it in later.
New to your in-person stuff, nowhere near new to your writing. That's because I'm nowhere near to new myself! Anyways, I was thinking about Elmer Keith when you were discussing a preference for the .280 Ackley Improved. Elmer wouldn't be happy with you, Ron, but I am! Thanks for fun and interesting videos. Just like your writing!
About MPBR and shooting at a distance: guy I learned from taught if you're at a long enough distance that you start getting concerned about the drop of the bullet, aim at the backbone centered above the vitals. That way if your closer than you think, you'll still have a hit. And if you are actually that far away, you won't be shooting under. That said, head shots were our preferred choice. The reason: if you miss the zone it's a clean miss, no gut shot wounded deer to track and possible getting lost and dying in some thicket. And if you do hit, it's done. The deer is laying where it was when it's hit.
Barrell, not too bad a system, but fraught with wounding potential. One really needs to know his bullet's trajectory curve (drops and drifts.) And ideally maximum point blank range. Then, when you know your bullet drops, say, 18 inches at 400 yards and you know or are reasonably sure your game is at 350- to 400 yards, you can hold just over its back, knowing that regardless where it stands, the bullet should fall somewhere between 18 inches and 12 inches. Given the chest of an average deer is about 17 inches top to brisket, the bullet should land in the lungs/heart vital zone. With your head shot, much smaller target. And it it not one that alway presents a clean kill or miss. I've seen several deer running in the wild with noses and jaws shot off. Once watched one dropped with a head shot. About a minute later it awoke and stood. A second shot to chest finished it. Turned out the first shot passed just under the brain, yet failed to kill. And it was a 30-06!
Pre '64 model 70 in .270... 😎
Have to pipe up as a hopeless pedantic lol, but a revolver IS a pistol. I realize that auto loaders took on the name 'pistol' in a lot of people's minds, but if you think about it, the old western 'Pistoleros' were not carrying glocks. They carried Colt SSAs, Dragoons, whatever. :) 'Pistol' comes from the Spanish word 'Pistola' meaning 'hand held'. It had nothing to do with the type of action. In fact, the first pistols were flintlocks I believe (I don't think there were any matchlock pistols, but I could be wrong) There , my little rant is done haha. Thanks again for a great video. Appreciate them all.
Never been a fan of the belted magnums. Got my hands on a LAW Professional II Capra in 280AI. Boy, that is a sweet cartridge/rifle combination!!!!! I got wrapped up in the Hammer Bullets too. In the 280AI, I use the 101 gr Hammer Hunter for medium game and the 143 gr Hammer Hunter for large game. Good luck and stay safe! 😉
I did a Mauser 98 into a custom rifle on the 280 Rem so it was great on deer but used in Oregon coast Rosevelt Elk it was really underpower and 2 Elk has been lost because during the Oregon coast Elk seasons the rains from the Pacific Ocean is like a fire house so you need the Elk dead where it stands or if it runs the rain in under 5 minutes or less is washed away along with the tracks can't be told if there new or old.
So, my experience with the 280 Rem was 50/50 good and bad.
I went back to the 300 Wby mag and the 338 win mag then never lost another Elk and they all died with in 20 feet of being shot.
The 338 win mag using Barns TSX 225 grain bullets is a big game crusher !
I have prepped the Winchester Model 70 in 338 win mag the magazine box to accept the 338 RUM for when I change the barrel to a Pac Nor 26 inch 338 RUM.
I think the 280 rem. Which can be loaded down for smaller game !
In my mind it is a toss up between the REM 7mm Mag and the 30-06.
7mm Mag is much flatter shooting and has better ballistics, but both are good.
@@blueduck9409 Agreed but the bullet weight selection for the 06 is much wider. It boils down to a matter of taste.
Like the saying goes, "If it can't be done with an 06 it probably can't be done".
The .270 Winchester 130 grain penny for penny beats anything . 😎
Yes sir, agreed
And the arithmetic on the diameter works out to 7.01mm.
Thus the legendary 7-ought-one was born, almost 100 years ago.
tiene toda la razon, hay rifle en un pais tan bananero como el mio y nunca pague un laton
In my state of Texas, the largest native game would be mule deer, since Buffalo are gone. It all depends on where I'm going to hunt and what is the quarry. If I had to choose only one gun to last the rest of my life to hunt deer with in Texas, it would be a 308 win. They're really hard to beat for medium size game at ranges under 300 yards. Bags antelope just as good as my 257 Weatherby out here in west Texas, just takes a mite longer for the bullet to get there. Now that I'm 63 and not all that Gung Ho hunting with my magnums as much, its still very rewarding to go to the range and poke a single jagged hole 3 shot group with that old gun.
Thanks for answering my question.
Would be the 7x57 for me
Because of shoulder injuries and pain I would use a 6.5 Grendel on an AR-15 frame for Deer 🦌!
This guy knows his stuff!