Raise3D HyperFFF Cut My Print Times in Half!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- The new HyperFFF upgrade from @Raise3D REALLY kicks the speed up a notch, and gets print times DOWN while print quality is the SAME OR BETTER and I AM THRILLED TO SEE THIS!
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Upgrade path by 3d companies should be the way instead of always pumping out new models for more money constantly. It's like the PC gaming industry. Give us machines we can upgrade for more performance and experience...just saying. Not everyone can shell out $200 to $1000s for a new 3d printer.
@Broski Snowski true, but wouldn't it be nice to not have a market so saturated with new printers that really aren't innovating the industry much. 🤷🏾♂️
yeah but you pay 1000 just for the upgrade
While I agree, it IS worth noting this is a $1000 upgrade for the Raise machine.
@@crussty3d I do agree the upgrade may be expensive, but compared to an Ultimaker or Makerbot, it has a similar or lower price with the upgrade, higher performance, and Qol features. I have an E2, and I would totally pay 1000$ if they make an upgrade like this for it.
Thank you! More upgrades for our machines are coming out very soon!
For the raise 3 pro, the kit is $999 for
- An Upgrade Letter (instructions I think)
- Software upgrades
- Two Hyper Speed Hot Ends 0.4mm
- A Hyper Speed Auto Calibrator (According to Joel is an accelerometer)
- 1kg of Hyper Speed PLA
- 1kg of Hyper Speed ABS
Seems like a lot for 2 hotends, firmware update, a $5 accelerometer, and 2 kg of filament.
I imagine part of the cost is also covering the R&D that went into its development?
@@davidtobin oh I understand that, but still. I imagine that's about $150-200 at the very most for the actual products. The rest is R&D and profit.
Both hotend are $200 each, so $400 total.
Each roll of filament is $36. For a total of $72.
With no bundle discount you are paying $528 for:
- Upgrade Letter (likely instructions)
- Software (cost of implementing an open source firmware... so the R&D cost is here)
- hyper Speed auto calibrator.
Welcome to Raise3D and all other "prosumer" level FDM pricing. Gotta keep those profits fat while trying to avoid getting your shit wrecked by BambuLab.
All of the upgrade and benchy is still 20min slower than a bambu and v400.
I don't understand this kind of printers.
Input shaper smooths out the details on the Mini Joel. I have seen the same on my Bambu Lab too with some settings. But still a nice upgrade for an existing machine if you can afford it.
You can always try making the input shaper less agresive
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that noticed this. I was surprised it wasn’t mentioned when comparing the two models.
Whispers sensually: "kllllliiiiiiiiiiiiipperrrrrrr"
Love the Nero3D cameo..
Yep, I finally caved and klipperised my Prusa mini and gave it a touch screen after running it stock next to klipperised printers. Having Web and touch interfaces for them all, custom macros and add ons, and input shaping is essential.
That is exciting news. Like to see this spread across other manufactures.
Thank you for your support!
Thanks so much for a great review Joel! Really great input! Very thankful you tested standard filament with the HyperSpeedFFF, good knowledge to have when looking at purchasing it
Thank you so much for your support!
@@Raise3D after seeing this video i must get one :)
I've used klipper on my ender3 and it's a beast look into linear advance too when used together is truly amazing and memorizing
I totally called this one :) I knew it that they used Klipper!
Helmets! 😆 Love it! ❤
This is the way! We missed you at the Raise3D Livestream!
While I agree companies using open source is cool, it needs to be a 2 way street, and the companies really need to give back. Raise having their stuff closed source goes against it, and while it's understandable it seems like they should be doing something more. Given the results, the company is really benefitting from the work, so now the community needs to benefit also.
They are? A high speed upgrade for the printer they own... Klipper already exists, what, you expect Raise3D to make their own fork and release that? WTH do you expect from them? WTH do you think the point of open source is? It is free to use and implement and modify with nothing expected in return, that's the whole point.
@@cenciende9401 Open source isn't just free - it's meant to be a way to democratise things. Making use of open source is useful, but things only get better if more share back. Of course I'm not saying Raise should fork, that would be ridiculous. I'm saying Raise should maybe think about open sourcing some of their own work to aid the community that has helped them. You say nothing in return - open source dies unless things are given back, not just code etc. but funding for teams that build these things.
Totally agree. If you are making a printer and selling it for $4.5k claiming it is better and keep it closed source until you realize that it is sub par with competition and jump on the open source then, you should definitely give back to the community. Either by providing donations, or contributing to the code base, or making some of your claimed innovations open source. It is a camp out if you turn to open source when you realize you are way behind competition.
Actually, it depends on the license of the software used, GPL, MIT etc
Pretty impressive time saving and great for production prints for sure. That said it may just be the lighting but the slow speed mini Joel and the benchy looked to have more detail and sharper edges so if fidelity is your aim then the HypperFFF falls short.
He used a different filament entirely, to my eyes; one that didn't catch the light in the same way at all. So I couldn't really compare them properly, the differences in the print quality were just too minute in comparison to the filament.
"Pretty impressive time saving" is "from awfully slow to normal speed".
Great move by Raise3D. One thing that I really dig about the 3D printing TH-cam community is the cooperation and camaraderie that exists. I've never once experienced snobbishness or condescension from any of you guys through my noob introduction and progression into the world of 3D printing. Maybe our political leaders should all get 3D printers 😆
Thank you @Timpraetor. We appreciate your support!
It's the Raise3D "BambuLab Is Hurting Our Business" upgrade package!
Thanks for the great content. Just a general show of appreciation.
Strange how BambuLab forces everyone to evolve.
For commercial applications, this feels like a better fit for Klipper than entry level consumer products. At least for now.
glad you had the models printed with the same filament, as the ones lacking the hyper tech, because I am guessing something in the filament of the new helmet caused it to look like a rougher layer lay down print, as it looks a bit ripply like the head of the printer is being wobbled by say over excitation of movement that reverberates instead of being dampened before squirting out the plastic,
Great cameos!
Hi. Great video.
A major professional company increasing the value of their products to keep ahead of the young guns stepping into the ring.
I am using CHEP'S FFEF profiles on my Ender printers. Same settings for my Ender 2 Pro's and my Ender 3 S1'S. And it cut my print times by at least 33% to 50%.
I have to note my prints are 90% functional prints. So the quality is good, very good.
I adjust wall and top/bottom thickness for load bearing prints.
"Helmets, did somebody say helmets?"
It is so nice to see printing getting faster for the at home hobbiest.
hobbyist*
This is awesome - closed source company using open source. I wish Bambu would have used Klipper. So much value to the company and end users by leveraging existing know-how. And then they could be giving back to the open source community too. Win-win.
Thank you for your support!
I hope this means we will be seeing better Klipper integration with RaiseCloud.
Man oh man this is awesome. Wishing I could get the HyperFFF on my N2+ absolutely love that machine. That print turned out fantastic and always love how simple supports come off ideamaker
they may actually do that to the pro 2 and eventually oder models ones the money on the pro 3 is made with the upgrades in the end its alot of money just to implement klipper ..
then again the N2+ mainbord is way older an probably not able to handle klipper on its own ..dono
My first 3D printer is the Pro3 I’ve had for a year. I love it and was thinking about this upgrade. I like the swappable extruders since I sometimes put in 0.6mm hardened nozzles for abrasive nylons.
We are actually working on more upgrades for other machines. And the firmware upgrade for the Pro2 series is coming out very soon! Follow @raise3d on social media outlets or visit raise3d.com for the latest updates!
@@Raise3D fantastic! Can’t wait!
@@Raise3D I have an N2+ are you going to make this upgrade for the N2+ ??? I ran my n2+ for 8 months and the touch screen stopped working, pass the warranty and then you told me I needed to replace it for I think $900.00.
So now I have a $5000.00+ 3d printer just collecting dust.
How would you feel about that if this printer was your printer ???
Airpump padding would be pretty neat in helmets, just a rubberbutton like in some shoes and good ergonomic designing
That's all great but can they please add similar support to the E2, as a customer I feel like they've forgotten this model and left us to wonder on our own!
Awesome video! Did you abandon your Flashforge Creator 4 and replace it with the Raise?
So from this side of the camera, the high speed miniJoel and benchy definitely looked blurrier than the slow ones. Softer lines, etc. Is that true?
That's cool to see a company have products that are consumer friendly and not try to bleed you dry with subscriptions. hope it spreads
Thank you! We appreciate your support!
Never seen a subscription in the consumer printing space...
Can you get a shredder/pulverized then reduce all your support material and failed to powder. Get a filament making machine and make your own filament? Maybe try to color it to a single color?
Nice cameos.
That moment when you realize somebody is being paid to promote gear that is overpriced and underperforms. JUST the upgrade to add Klipper (which is freeware) costs $999. This Raise 3D printer is $3999 for a grand total of nearly $5000. A P1P trounces this thing at $699 in quality, speed and value. TROUNCES. Klipper has been around for a while, and companies are only interested in it now because Bambu has forced their hand. Wait until Bambu releases a bigger and a smaller printer. It's all over...
Great vid. Don’t own a raise printer but seen how reliable they are print after print
Thank you and we hope you would choose Raise3D one day.
Great video. The only thing I'd add is to maybe put the print times side by side once they're both on screen ;)
could have shaved a few more hours with prusa organic supports on the helmet. That filament is incredible!!
Love the Cameos! 😂
using the Sunlu T-3 I printed a Benchy in 54 minutes at 150mm per sec
This is the way
LM manged to get the mando helms to ~40 hours on the mostly stock Pro2 with slicer tuning and a .8 nozzle. I'm sure he'd be happy to send you his settings. Under a day would be pretty awesome to see.
Oh with the 0.8 nozzle, yes! I don’t think HyperFFF 0.8 nozzles are a thing yet. BUT, will further tune!
Great stuff on ur channel! Quick question for you or your comunity. Did a small 3d print (10cm high) , all good, but at the end, rught when it finished the z arm went downwards right in the print, about 1cm, digging inside it and melting the top layers leaving its shape on the print. Anybody knows why? Its a bitmi 2+, very local, i dont know if they made more than 50 printers
Hey Joel, great video, can you share your support settings, my raise machine is having a problem, thanks Dean
Is it me or does the high speed look like they have more rounded edges? Less sharp edges. Shaper configuration set to high?
You should 3d print some padding using TPU and some honeycomb design. :)
It's hard to tell on a video but I thought the HyperFFF parts looked to have more wobbles, which being spatially coherent would mean oscillation or otherwise inconsistent stepper motor steps. When they're spatially incoherent it's typically an extruder gear not running true with the motor axis. I wish the helments had both been printed in the same filament and we could've gotten some really good closeups. This seemed a bit rushed and not really a good comparison.
I have a CR-10 Smart Pro. Can I put klipper on this and how? I already have raspberry pi that is running octoprint.
I campaigned hard to get my employer to replace our ancient Stratasys printer with the Pro 3 from Raise 3D but they ended up spending more money on an Ultimaker S5. A good printer but old technology.
BTW, why didn't you use a soluble support material on your helmet?
For this test I wanted to use a single extruder. That and I couldn’t find my soluble support. Heh.
Quite some time ago you attempted to make a 3D printed record player. Have you thought about making one that addresses the issues the old one had. There most important issue I could think of was the motor drive was not smooth. I suggest a D.C. motor with 3D printed pulley and belt solution. Right, with that off my chest, I’ll get back to watching your video thanks!
Normal benchy 1:32
HyperFFF benchy 0:52
Good to know
With stripes the helmets looks like a Mexican wrestling mask.
Hello, does anyone know what brand the filament was used for the second helmet? I tried to google it just by name, and no luck
51 minutes!.. laughs in X1C
I bought the N2 plus when it came out. I met the CEO at Maler fair and sold me on the printer for it's reliability. From the day I bought the printer, to today, I am still having issues.. I have bought and upgraded parts, replaced parts, adjusted and readjusted everything I was told to, and still can't reliably print anything.
It's been very discouraging and upsetting to have now spent over $7000 into this printer and I still get prints that fail even during the raft. I have used many other smaller and cheaper printers, and have no issues, I use printers at work, my friends have printers that I have helped them set up and get working. But I was delt a lemon, and it's frustrating that with as much as I have spent, I still don't have a printer at home that I could trust for even a 12 hour print.
Their customer service for the longest time was just that I should buy new parts and new upgrades, not what you want to hear after dropping over $5k on a new printer.
Bro... I want that machine. What is the build volume? I mean I really want that machine. I am stuck with a Sovol SV 03 that I have to level the gantry. An Ender 3 Pro, and 2 Kobra Max that under extrude after the first inch on the z. The only resin machine I have is a Mono X. Looking at the Max next unless I can find something bigger. I really want to do huge statues and figures to paint and display.
Can I use cura to print in the riser3d pro3 plus?? Thanks
This seems odd to me. I don't remember spending a huge amount of time tuning my printer for speed, but a benchy at 0.2mm usually only takes around 45 minutes here. Then again my prints usually fall on the adequate for what I'm doing side of things rather than being super smooth.
This is fantastic but, and I don’t know how much the standard printer is but it must be expensive, I know it’s a commercial printer but $999. And that’s the upgrade. I suppose if it’s a business printer and it’s twice the speed it’s worth it but that is a lot of money.
That's better than before but it's still far from Bambu Lab print speeds. The only thing the Raise3d has going for it is its bigger build volume which can accommodate a full size helmet.
For comparison on the Bambu you'd have to shrink the helmet by 20% so it'd fit, which would then print in about 17 hours 24 minutes using ABS with all default settings. We need to add back 20% time (3.4H) to compare apples to apples, but let's be generous and add back 25% time instead (4.25H) and the total print time would still only be around 22H. Far less than a day.
Raise3D and other manufacturers still have a long way to go.
But if you print 20% smaller, it no longer becomes a functional helmet.
@@davidtobin Did you really just read the first line?
@@mururoa7024 No. You wanted apples to apples. :)
Hello there! We really appreciate the feedback. We will continue to improve slicer profiles and keep focusing on speed and print quality for our upcoming releases.
@@Raise3D My company has a Pro2 Plus Dual and a Pro3 Plus Dual and we'll already ordered an upgrade kit for the Pro3 but it'd be great if we could also upgrade our Pro2. 👍
One question how have you tried a calibration cube and other prints to see if affects Accuracy and proficiency When printing items that actually require specific tolerances.
Do you know what a Benchy is? A calibration print...
@@cenciende9401 yes but it not a tolerance test it grate for bridge and over hangs but with 20x20x20 cub we can see how if the how the accurately it can print.
Only that the upgrade cost more than the P1P ... (like 1k)
I mean the hardware has its price but they make you pay big time just to unlock the software ...
That bracket is a funktional part. So there is no need for it to look that pretty
Print it with one of these newfangled 0.6mm high flow Nozzles and 0.5mm layers
Print crazy fast with 80mm/s or so and be done in linke 2 Hours
Well, I have a 0.8mm nozzle on my CR-10SMART and line with set to 1.2mm. layer thickness at 0.6mm. my functional parts are super strong and actually have a decent finish.
Less than 50% compared to 0.4mm default settings.
So yeah. Nozzle size makes a big difference.
80mm/s is super slow by today's standards...
I wish I could even remotely afford a Raise3D Pro3, not least the speed upgrade kit.... 🤣
Probably good for klipper promo, and upgrading existing machines, But, at around 1k for the kit!? Nope, not when u can get a P1P that will out pace them by 2x at now $600!! Good vid as always, thanks for sharing.
It took them a while but at least they did something. How much was the upgrade?
You can visit this link for more information: www.raise3d.com/products/raise3d-hyper-speed-upgrade-kit-pro3-series-only/
Now they need to add lidar like bambu lab.
HEY I KNOW THAT GUY!
ya! I know that guy LoyalMoses from Twitch!
.. two printers also cut your print times in half:P
Hope they do same upgrade for the Pro2
Hi Jomi, the firmware upgrade for the Pro2 is coming out very soon!
This is all massively overdue. The fact that performance can be more than doubled simply by changing hotends and profiles shows how goddamned lazy these copy-cat companies have been for years. Then suddenly a few disruptors get out there, and all these manufacturers of over-priced printers suddenly think "Oh, maybe we'd better actually do something innovative to earn market share." I sincerely hope that they all suffer brutally for their laziness, and are forced to push the boundaries MUCH harder to stay relevant. A price and tech war is precisely what consumers need.
Crazy question.. the Raise3d printer is like $7K.. and the hyper upgrade another $1K. Is this printer really 4x better.. let alone.. 1x better than say.. a Voron for $1K, or X1CC for $1500? Given that even with the upgrade it prints about the same as the X1C/RatRig/Voron.. why would anyone pay 4x more for the same results? Do they offer lifetime filament as much as you want and nozzles and free parts.. or.. ??
kinda sucks that Hyper is being used here when I am working on a print head that will literally turn a 180 minute print into a 1.6 to 1.8 minute print, so what is that speed increase going to be called if hyper is being used for just doubling the speed, and halving the time?
Quantum
I hope they do a Hyperspeed kit for the PRO 2.
The firmware update for the Pro2 is coming out soon actually. Follow @raise3d on social media outlets for the updates!
My understanding is that Klipper doesn’t support all the IDEX printing modes. I think it’s missing mirror printing. How has Raise3D gotten around this?
I laughed at the Nero3D cameo. Nice one!
Hello Jon! The Pro3 printer is using one print head with two hotends so it is IDEX. However we are working on more upgrades and new product/technologies. Visit raise3d.com for more info on the newest releases.
Maybe they’ll give back & open source Ideamaker 😂
I have cut 50% of printing times also with my CR-10 using Klipper on raspberry....
Why have people given up on solvable supports? And companies given up on duet3d
Man I printed a whole head that size with internal supports in like 12h on my knock off i3 before I even installed klipper and got it down to a 5.5min benchie
Don't believe. Reviewers go nuts over a 30 minute Benchy on new super fast machines like the P1P, you're not doing 5 mins printing at 1000mm/s speeds
The printer is good. But due to the fact that you have to use ideamaker, a lot of time is spent on setting up printing. And a lot of material and time for support. Tried to create a profile for Prusaslicer, but a lot of things don't work (resuming printing, changing filament...). And the E2CF printer generally turned out to work ONLY with ideamaker, and ONLY branded PA12CF and support material. And a lot of settings are blocked.
Hi there, thanks for your comment. Good news that it isn't only branded material. We actually have a lot of templates added for 3rd party materials.
ideamaker.io has 60 templates available for the E2CF including 3rd party filament manufacturers including FiberThree KEXCELLED eSUN Jabil Kimya BASF Polymaker and more.
@@Raise3D "Cannot import the slicing template into Raise3D E2CF printers" It's horrible. When you can't print your favorite material on the printer. I need to print let's say a simple petg, but I can't do it. I can't create a profile for it, I can't download a profile for any petg, and I can't change an existing profile to fit my needs. It seems to me that in the name "Open filament program" the word "Open" is superfluous.
The speed improvements are impressive, but I think Raise3D has the smoothing from the input shaping dialed up way too high. The Mini-Joel's mouth and the trim around the doorways on the 3DBenchy were almost completely missing.
As Wyatt Erp said, "Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything." 🙂
Upgrade toa 0.6mm nozzle and times will decrease even more!
Not bad but how much does this cost to do? A sonic pad has my Ender 3 Max running better quality and much faster. Benchy is down to 45 minutes and its still super accurate and print in place parts work as well as before.
Would the bambu p1s or x1 be better or faster than this ?
Faster - yes. Better? Many more things factor into that.
@@3DPrintingNerd got it. I guess my question is should i get this raise 3D or go with Bambu ur opinion? 😊
But the mini-Joel looked better from the non-high speed printer.
Acts 2:16
But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
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Did someone say klipper‽‽‽
It would be great to see you recycle the waste support structures and failed prints.
The prices for this printers are hyper too…
Please fix the color correction for all your cameras so they look the same
Please add at least two more 9s to your username. These are the terms.
I find it amusing hobbiest have been running Klipper and input shaping for some time. I don't see any real value in the Raise3D products given their pricing, am guessing companies will buy them for the support. Many commercial printers are lagging in technolody compared to what hobbiest are building at home.
I have a Rasie3d Pro 3 at work and I am EXTREMELY disappointed in the machine that the price point! Their customer service is horrible, and the build quality/specs of the machine are NOT that of a $7500 printer. Very disappointed I wasted capex on this printer.
I’ve had a similar experience with their N2 Dual. They also don’t have good legacy product support, which isn’t great for an industry product.
I’ve got a small product design company, and initially bought a Raise 3D N2 and 2 Formlabs Form 3+’s. We still have them, barely use them since we’ve grown and now have 8 Prusa i3Mk3’s (got them several years before Bambu came out) and 2 Elegoo Saturn printers.
nice but way to expensive printers!
While their printers are good, I can’t justify their prices
Great video Joel, as always, but I have to laugh at Raise3D here. Calling everything "hyper-whatever" is a joke. These are commonplace and inexpensive tools that nearly every hobbyist is employing: high flow hot ends, cheap accelerometers, and open source software. And what is "hyper speed" filament?? Sounds like Hyper-BS to me. These companies need to start actually innovating or they're going to get left in the dust very quickly.
i am Awsome i made it this far lol
An hour and half for a Benchy???? My SV01 did that out of the box, with Marlin and default settings, and it's a medium-large bedslinger.
Ok, reacted too early, thought that was after the upgrade, but still, damn slow for an
industrial machine.
so haw many x1 carbons i can get instead of this bs?
Yeah and cuts your money in half, hehe
@x3dprintingnerd 😘✌️
Why Raise3D has such a bad reviews?
They do? Solid machines in my experience.
I own many of them, and they are the most reliable machines we have.
@@LoyalMoses I am looking for a dual nozzle machine or ideally multicolor printer. Do you have any other printers too?