This is the only video I have seen that explains where THAT blessed noise comes from. Thanks so much for uploading and explaining in detail so that it is easy to understand. cheers!
I have a local guy who has a suspension tuning shop and this is what he did to my 147 last year when I bought it and wanted a suspension checkup. Great video!
Stavio sam ja nove od TRW-a, nakon 3000km desna skripi kao luda. Naspricao sam sa silikon sprejem, ali cim je malo kise opet pocne. Sve se cini da cu i ja morati u praksi napraciti sto i ti u videu. Odlican kanal!
Hvala puno, koristi silikonsku mast, ili nesto sto je bas predvidjeno za to
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Nice video. It took me a lot of effort to maintain suspension on my AR156... What you need to keep in mind is that this is just a workaround. The arm is not supposed to rotate in the rubber bushing. Rubber must be pressed enough by the bolt to stop rotation in working position to act as designed (flex instead of rotation). With this modification you essentially created a bearing from rubber (?!). Rubber is not exactly good material for bushing which is constantly moving and hitting road bumps.So there are 2 options how to solve this permanently: Performance fix: Replace rubber bushings with PU alternatives and grease it well. Polyuretane holds much better than rubber. OEM fix:. Replace with new aftermarket rubber bushings and shorten metal tube inside the bushing (-0.5mm) so it gets squeezed enough by the long bolt. The issue is that aftermarket bushing is not manufactured correctly and the rubber starts rotating far too soon after installation. So if you don't do that, it will start rotating and squeezing within a year. Also when you have the arm out, I recommend to paint the ball joint cap to prevent water leaks. Again it is not manufactured well and it will rust out from inside and cause plain. You can significantly increase its lifespan. I hope it will save you guys some wasted time on repeating this process, I learnt it the hard way :-)
Thanks, I had my battles with this as well, even if you fix them in place you will still put enormous strain on the rubber components, so I am not really for that as well, it would be best to put polyurethane bushings, and check them from time to time...
Life hack: if you put that Long screw for upper wishbone in opposite direction, you will have easier disassembly next time. After that you need only to disassembly the joint And remove Long screw. Upper mount And lower arm link does not need to be removed. You Just need to remove wheel arch, which is 5 minutes job.
Thanks for yours videos! 👍 I think that is matter of what position of this wishbone before tightening. Because it works like a spring from a certain angle. I'm replace upper wishbone on my AR 159 earlier this year 🤌and read that you're should tight it "under load"(for correct work) as if you do it with wheel on the ground. Maybe this is the same situation?🤔
Zdravo brate, ja imam slican zvuk, ali ne skripi kad prelazim lezeci ili upadnem u rupu nego bukvalno na ravnom i kad motam se cuje, prednji desni tocak, da li su isto ove gumice u pitanju ili od balans stangle gumice? Pozdrav i srecno na dalje na kanalu 👍🏼👍🏼
I know is am very old video, but my question is if when i have to install back everything, do i need to lift the suspension and everything with something from underneath like a jack? Because i understood that is necessary in order to have a good alignment and to be installed right you need to have load on the suspension like is on the floor? If i got that right let me know thanks
Good stuff, many people replaces upper arm bushes or even complete arms because of noise and basically dont need to... I believe you can make a video for rear squeaks too 👍
true with the certainty that the rubbers of those new arms are very bad and in a very short time you have a worse sound and a short duration of the entire piece
@@arcgarage Great channel, thanks for all the helpful advice! It seems my roll bar bushings are failing and cause a knocking sound. There is someone on TH-cam who replaces just the bushings by separating the bracket that holds the anti roll bar. I can get the rubbers for very cheap, but is this a good solution?
So I changed everything on my 147. Brand new KYB Shocks, Eibach Pro Kit springs, new control arms front/rear (with lubricated PU silent blocks in upper control arms), new Febi shock absorber cups, PU anti-roll bar upgrade. I still get squeak over speed bumps, when making contact with them, and after car drops... I was suspecting those were the upper control arm bushes, but now that I have replaced them with PU, the sound is still there. Do you have any ideas what it might be? Could it be shock absorber cups making noise with the chassis? Should I perhaps lubricate them with silicone spray?
Svaka cast druze,pratim tvoj kanal vec neko vrijeme.i ja imam problem sa tim skripanjem al samo kad je hladno,međutim htjedoh da te pitam za drugi problem koji imam vec godinu dana.pali mi se lampica ASR kad pređem 60 km/h a na multiecuscan ne pokazuje nikakve greske.
Hvala puno. Pogledaj na diagnostici parametre abs senzora, i moguce je da je problem i u senzoru ugla volana. Ukoliko je do njega mozda ga samo treba rekalibrirati...
Pozdrav druze, 159 je u pitanju. Skripi kada motam volan lijevo desno i kada nalijecem na neravnu cestu. Da li je donje ili gornje rame u pitanju? I da, kada padne kisa usuti se potpuno.
Hello and thank you for another great tip for us. I need to replace both upper arms in my 159 2.4 Ti, since there are so many brands and even those refurbished which one would you recommend?
Hi:) I have that squeaky noise on my 159 , front suspension. 2 questions> I have a quallity high temp grease with graffite, would that be good or you think it will destroy the rubber? 2) would wd40 do the trick without dissasembly... at least for a couple of weeks or a month? . thank you !
Great sharing man. I got the same issue. Sprayed with silicone grease but only lasted a few months. Btw do you know if those upper control arm bushes are for sale separately? And what kind of grease did you used? I suppose white lithium grease is probably not best. Great video man 💪
Thank you buddy. I think you can get the bushing separately online. I used some kind o grease intended for rubber which I think is based on silicone grease.
Hi. Good stuff you do for the Alfa community. I have a question and hope you or someone reading can help me. I have an Alfa Gt 1.9 Diesel and when I turn on the air conditioning in cold mode, the suspension starts creaking? No one knows whats the reason, not even the Alfa dealer. I apreciate your help. Sorry my english. Best regards, Helio.
Și mie îmi scârţâia când mă urcam în mașină și am găsit la brațul suspensie de jos pivotul s-a rupt cauciucul și s-a dus vasilina .Am schimbat tot brațul suspensie că doar pivotul nu se poate schimba.
I have a problem on all 4 suspensions. The rubber that's under the spring (the round one that is on the lower part of the spring) starts to desintegrate and it's now metal on metal on some spots. I'm from Romania and couldn't find the part on any sites. What do you recommand me to do?
Bukvalno sam samo uzeo remontovane i ugradio i nisam proverio ovo i sad skiči užasno a nigde lufta, auto preudoban za vožnju. Ništa, prva prilika skidam gornje viljuške i udri 😂 a šrafove sam se setio da podmažem, i da očistim ležište za šolje i još da namastim 😢
ubi me skripa preko grba toliko da sam stavio gumice od powerlexa ali i dalje je skripalo. na kraju se ispostavilo da skripe i donje vilice. ali tu i tamo se cuje neko lagano skripanje. mislim da bi jedino mogla bit uporista amortizera jer gumice od balans stange su isto zamjenjena.
Hi I have an Alfa GT tjd, 2009. The car is in pristine condition and I just adore the way it drives. But diesel is now in bad standing and an increasing number cities do not let such old diesel into the town. So my question is: Is it possible with a reasonable cost to replace the engine of this car with a newer engine (fx. Giuilietta model) or with a GT-motor, which drive on benzin?
This is the only video I have seen that explains where THAT blessed noise comes from. Thanks so much for uploading and explaining in detail so that it is easy to understand. cheers!
Glad it was helpful
I have a local guy who has a suspension tuning shop and this is what he did to my 147 last year when I bought it and wanted a suspension checkup. Great video!
Thanks, although it does require a bit of work, it makes a world of difference...
@@arcgarage It does indeed. My 147 was mint (2010 CH) but still it is better like this
Stavio sam ja nove od TRW-a, nakon 3000km desna skripi kao luda. Naspricao sam sa silikon sprejem, ali cim je malo kise opet pocne. Sve se cini da cu i ja morati u praksi napraciti sto i ti u videu. Odlican kanal!
Hvala puno, koristi silikonsku mast, ili nesto sto je bas predvidjeno za to
Nice video. It took me a lot of effort to maintain suspension on my AR156... What you need to keep in mind is that this is just a workaround. The arm is not supposed to rotate in the rubber bushing. Rubber must be pressed enough by the bolt to stop rotation in working position to act as designed (flex instead of rotation). With this modification you essentially created a bearing from rubber (?!). Rubber is not exactly good material for bushing which is constantly moving and hitting road bumps.So there are 2 options how to solve this permanently: Performance fix: Replace rubber bushings with PU alternatives and grease it well. Polyuretane holds much better than rubber. OEM fix:. Replace with new aftermarket rubber bushings and shorten metal tube inside the bushing (-0.5mm) so it gets squeezed enough by the long bolt. The issue is that aftermarket bushing is not manufactured correctly and the rubber starts rotating far too soon after installation. So if you don't do that, it will start rotating and squeezing within a year.
Also when you have the arm out, I recommend to paint the ball joint cap to prevent water leaks. Again it is not manufactured well and it will rust out from inside and cause plain. You can significantly increase its lifespan. I hope it will save you guys some wasted time on repeating this process, I learnt it the hard way :-)
Thanks, I had my battles with this as well, even if you fix them in place you will still put enormous strain on the rubber components, so I am not really for that as well, it would be best to put polyurethane bushings, and check them from time to time...
Nije prvi put da kazem, ali valja se s vremena na vreme: kanal je odlican. I to je sve bolji i bolji jer si nabavio jos alfi. Svaka cast!
Hvala na podrsci, znaci puno. Pozdrav
Good work , and everyone should support you , for your helping videos with alfas❤️
Thank you very much for your kind words...
Life hack: if you put that Long screw for upper wishbone in opposite direction, you will have easier disassembly next time. After that you need only to disassembly the joint And remove Long screw. Upper mount And lower arm link does not need to be removed. You Just need to remove wheel arch, which is 5 minutes job.
Great tip, did that in the past on my 156
Thanks for yours videos! 👍 I think that is matter of what position of this wishbone before tightening. Because it works like a spring from a certain angle.
I'm replace upper wishbone on my AR 159 earlier this year 🤌and read that you're should tight it "under load"(for correct work) as if you do it with wheel on the ground. Maybe this is the same situation?🤔
You're welcome, that is actually not the case on any of the models...
Zdravo brate, ja imam slican zvuk, ali ne skripi kad prelazim lezeci ili upadnem u rupu nego bukvalno na ravnom i kad motam se cuje, prednji desni tocak, da li su isto ove gumice u pitanju ili od balans stangle gumice? Pozdrav i srecno na dalje na kanalu 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you! What is the grease you use? Best Boyd
I know is am very old video, but my question is if when i have to install back everything, do i need to lift the suspension and everything with something from underneath like a jack? Because i understood that is necessary in order to have a good alignment and to be installed right you need to have load on the suspension like is on the floor? If i got that right let me know thanks
Good stuff, many people replaces upper arm bushes or even complete arms because of noise and basically dont need to...
I believe you can make a video for rear squeaks too 👍
Thanks, you're right, might do a video on that next...
true with the certainty that the rubbers of those new arms are very bad and in a very short time you have a worse sound and a short duration of the entire piece
Great video as always 👍
Apart from the non pleasant sound it makes, is it safe to drive with squeaky suspensions?
Thank you, yes you can, but the bushings are going to perish sooner...
@@arcgarage Great channel, thanks for all the helpful advice! It seems my roll bar bushings are failing and cause a knocking sound. There is someone on TH-cam who replaces just the bushings by separating the bracket that holds the anti roll bar. I can get the rubbers for very cheap, but is this a good solution?
So I changed everything on my 147.
Brand new KYB Shocks, Eibach Pro Kit springs, new control arms front/rear (with lubricated PU silent blocks in upper control arms), new Febi shock absorber cups, PU anti-roll bar upgrade.
I still get squeak over speed bumps, when making contact with them, and after car drops... I was suspecting those were the upper control arm bushes, but now that I have replaced them with PU, the sound is still there.
Do you have any ideas what it might be?
Could it be shock absorber cups making noise with the chassis? Should I perhaps lubricate them with silicone spray?
yes cups needs to be lubricate
Svaka cast druze,pratim tvoj kanal vec neko vrijeme.i ja imam problem sa tim skripanjem al samo kad je hladno,međutim htjedoh da te pitam za drugi problem koji imam vec godinu dana.pali mi se lampica ASR kad pređem 60 km/h a na multiecuscan ne pokazuje nikakve greske.
Hvala puno. Pogledaj na diagnostici parametre abs senzora, i moguce je da je problem i u senzoru ugla volana. Ukoliko je do njega mozda ga samo treba rekalibrirati...
Ima li svaka 147 senzor ugla volana? Mislim da moja to nema jer nema VDC.
Pozdrav druze, 159 je u pitanju. Skripi kada motam volan lijevo desno i kada nalijecem na neravnu cestu. Da li je donje ili gornje rame u pitanju? I da, kada padne kisa usuti se potpuno.
Hello and thank you for another great tip for us. I need to replace both upper arms in my 159 2.4 Ti, since there are so many brands and even those refurbished which one would you recommend?
You're welcome, I have good experience with FAI
@@arcgarage Thank you I will try to find those ;)
thanks for video. But a geometry adjustment is needed after that ?
No need for it...
Hi:) I have that squeaky noise on my 159 , front suspension. 2 questions> I have a quallity high temp grease with graffite, would that be good or you think it will destroy the rubber? 2) would wd40 do the trick without dissasembly... at least for a couple of weeks or a month? . thank you !
I would use silicone grease, wd40 won't help much, it will be good for maybe a week or two, if you manage to get it in there
Do you know how long it takes before the bushings start squeaking again after manually lubricating?
Great sharing man. I got the same issue. Sprayed with silicone grease but only lasted a few months. Btw do you know if those upper control arm bushes are for sale separately? And what kind of grease did you used? I suppose white lithium grease is probably not best. Great video man 💪
Thank you buddy. I think you can get the bushing separately online. I used some kind o grease intended for rubber which I think is based on silicone grease.
I've got a 21 Giulia QV making this noise! How have Alfa not sorted this from factory yet!?
Hi. Good stuff you do for the Alfa community. I have a question and hope you or someone reading can help me. I have an Alfa Gt 1.9 Diesel and when I turn on the air conditioning in cold mode, the suspension starts creaking? No one knows whats the reason, not even the Alfa dealer. I apreciate your help. Sorry my english. Best regards, Helio.
It needs closer inspection...
@@arcgarage thanks for the reply.
Și mie îmi scârţâia când mă urcam în mașină și am găsit la brațul suspensie de jos pivotul s-a rupt cauciucul și s-a dus vasilina .Am schimbat tot brațul suspensie că doar pivotul nu se poate schimba.
Bravo! Which grease did you use? Who makes it?
Just look for silicone grease, you can get it online, or locally at hardware store...
Pozdrav, jako vam je dobar kanal, da li isto ovo moze da se uradi i sa donjom viljuskom? Hvala
Pozdrav, hvala, nisam probavao mislim da su upresani...
I need to do this on my 147. I bet a lot of people replace wishbones unnecessarily. Thanks
You are right...
What do you think about polyurethane bushing ?
They are great, a bit stiffer, but they will last a lot longer
My GT is just like that... 😅
Thx for the vídeo.
No problem 👍
Hello is it possible to do the same on the 159 upper arms, are the bushings able to be disassembled the same way? thank you
Yes it is
How to fix excess camber on front of 166?
I have a problem on all 4 suspensions. The rubber that's under the spring (the round one that is on the lower part of the spring) starts to desintegrate and it's now metal on metal on some spots.
I'm from Romania and couldn't find the part on any sites. What do you recommand me to do?
Hm, you should be able to get it from auto parts store, if not, grab some universal tubing for that purpose
@@arcgarage Tried to find it at a parts store and the guy said there is no specific one for alfa 147
what kind of grease did you use?
it was some kind of silicone based grease for rubber
Great job 👍!
Thank you. Cheers...
Bukvalno sam samo uzeo remontovane i ugradio i nisam proverio ovo i sad skiči užasno a nigde lufta, auto preudoban za vožnju. Ništa, prva prilika skidam gornje viljuške i udri 😂 a šrafove sam se setio da podmažem, i da očistim ležište za šolje i još da namastim 😢
O kvaliteti kanala govori činjenica da nemam Alfu a pratim 😁
Hvala puno na podrsci, pozdrav veliki
Do you plan to make videos for the Giulietta in the future?
Yes, I am looking to gen one for a while now...
ubi me skripa preko grba toliko da sam stavio gumice od powerlexa ali i dalje je skripalo. na kraju se ispostavilo da skripe i donje vilice. ali tu i tamo se cuje neko lagano skripanje. mislim da bi jedino mogla bit uporista amortizera jer gumice od balans stange su isto zamjenjena.
Ako nove nisu podmazane moze biti do njih, a cisto sumnjam da je do amortizera...
Very familiar! 😀
😁
Hello, where are you from?
I'm from Bosnia and Herzegovina
Hi I have an Alfa GT tjd, 2009. The car is in pristine condition and I just adore the way it drives. But diesel is now in bad standing and an increasing number cities do not let such old diesel into the town. So my question is:
Is it possible with a reasonable cost to replace the engine of this car with a newer engine (fx. Giuilietta model) or with a GT-motor, which drive on benzin?
It is possible, but it will take bunch of work, and money, good idea nonetheless
@@arcgarage Do you have an e-mail?
I would like to ask more about the subject.
@arcgarage Which engine do you recommend? Can I contact you about it?