Bit of a misunderstanding in this video that is all too common. The upper wishbone rotates around the rubber bushes which are greased internally to allow for this, at least this is the case for TRW and better quality wishbones. They don't allow for rotation through elastomeric distortion of the bushes as happens with the lower wishbones for example. So greasing the ends of bushes isn't required, in fact you probably shouldn't do it because they inner metal sleeve must be tight to the mounting bracket so it cannot rotate when the bolt is tightened. There's also no need to tighten the wishbone bolt with the suspension in the loaded position for the reason given above. It also isn't possible for the long bolt to be loose in the mounting bracket because when it's tightened up the wishbone inner sleeves, bracket and bolt become locked together as a solid assembly which shouldn't allow for any relative movement. Some cheaper wishbones appear to have the rubber bushes bonded to the inner sleeve so they can't rotate other than by elastomeric distortion in which the method in the video makes sense but given these wishbones fail in no time due to the bushes being overloaded why bother fitting them.
Always found getting the bolt out a pain too as it hits the spring. I’ve had success using a spring compressor at the base which creates room for the bolt to sneak by.
Thanks for the video , just did this as I was replacing the spring , unfortunately the alu mounting was corroded to the strut, not only that some geezer had included the upper arm housing to secure the strut and spring top! Hope the other side is better .
So many thanks to you for this video. saved me 135€(cheapest prise in of 4 offers to that job.) It took 1,5 hour to do by my self whit that tutorial. 👍😀
Good way to remove the upper wishbone, but with high risk damaging the fender or at least the fender coating, causing corrosion. I did it similar already several times, but pushed down the strut a little bit against the rubber of the lower wishbone and removed the complete upper fixing, together with, the wishbone. In this case you easily can do the following work using a vice. Unfortunately the upper wishbones on 147, 156, etc. are still troublemakers, especially with noises at colder temperatures. I tried already several brands, but all of them have the same issue after a certain time. Independent using, Monroe, Lemförder, or others. The last one I tried are from Alfisti Shop, internally greased. But these one made trouble with knocking noises after less then one year.
+1 This is how I do it also. I would think not removing the assembly, it only lifts off when you have it that far, save any time at all. Upper wishbones are a yearly maintenance item almost, especially on V6.
Hi Neil, love your channel! Would you happen to have video on replacing piston rings on a twin spark? I’m also looking to change my valve stem seals and would gladly watch that as well. Many thanks for your videos thus far and I am looking forward to seeing more. Cheers, Stephen
I find these easier to do by taking off the top aluminium housing,(which just lifts off the studs,once you have picked out the o ring)with the arm attached,then it’s easy to just undo the bolt on the bench.
Thanks Niel. I'll try this method out soon! 🤞🏼 Do you happen to know the size of your ball joins splitter width? I have 24mm offered at the store. Will that work?
Anybody know what a 18inch turbine style alloy for TI with tyre weighs? Ive just had to carry 4 of them up 5 flights of stairs to swap them for my winter tyres. Thought i was going have a f**king heart attack. Just wondered if im really unfit or they are heavy they seemed at least 25kg to me??
147/156/Gt all suspension is the same from the springs and the shock absorbers, only the Q2 (Gt and 147) has 2cm shorter shock absorbers, i don't know if the 156 had q2 from factory, because the Q2 started from 2007 i think
Unfortunately, it's not that easy for me. The lower arm does not go down like in the video. I have to pull the damper spring or I won't get the horseshoe bolt in there.
Una vez vino un cliente a decirme que esperaba que le haga la correa de distribución de un Megane k4m en 15 minutos porque había visto un video en el que tardaban eso. Traté de explicarle que estaba editado, pero se fue enojado
You don't have to tighten the upper wishbone bolt loaded, it is designed to rotate, so it doesn't matter. Nice trick tho, saves some time compared to intended way, I'll try it when I have to inevitably replace these stupid wishbones again.
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Just changed mine on my 147, it was so much easier using your method. Thank you.
Bit of a misunderstanding in this video that is all too common. The upper wishbone rotates around the rubber bushes which are greased internally to allow for this, at least this is the case for TRW and better quality wishbones. They don't allow for rotation through elastomeric distortion of the bushes as happens with the lower wishbones for example. So greasing the ends of bushes isn't required, in fact you probably shouldn't do it because they inner metal sleeve must be tight to the mounting bracket so it cannot rotate when the bolt is tightened. There's also no need to tighten the wishbone bolt with the suspension in the loaded position for the reason given above. It also isn't possible for the long bolt to be loose in the mounting bracket because when it's tightened up the wishbone inner sleeves, bracket and bolt become locked together as a solid assembly which shouldn't allow for any relative movement. Some cheaper wishbones appear to have the rubber bushes bonded to the inner sleeve so they can't rotate other than by elastomeric distortion in which the method in the video makes sense but given these wishbones fail in no time due to the bushes being overloaded why bother fitting them.
Copper slide or any grease is not needed at all on rubber bushes❤
@@4ernomore1 The bushes on these wishbones are greased internally at the factory. White or silicone grease is used, so rubber friendly.
Always found getting the bolt out a pain too as it hits the spring.
I’ve had success using a spring compressor at the base which creates room for the bolt to sneak by.
Thanks for the video , just did this as I was replacing the spring , unfortunately the alu mounting was corroded to the strut, not only that some geezer had included the upper arm housing to secure the strut and spring top! Hope the other side is better .
So many thanks to you for this video.
saved me 135€(cheapest prise in of 4 offers to that job.)
It took 1,5 hour to do by my self whit that tutorial. 👍😀
Man I wish my friend and I had these swivel end when we was replacing wishbone on my 156. Man what a SM sex was!
Nice one Neil, top job and easy when you know how 😀
Sure is
Thank you! I changed successfully my wishbones today.
You are so welcome
It's enough to remove the ball joint and the bolt holding the wishbone, after removing the liner. Changed both on the parking lot on my 156.
Brilliant video neil 👍my favourite alfa youtuber Brilliant
Lol thanks
Thank you awesome video!!!
Good way to remove the upper wishbone, but with high risk damaging the fender or at least the fender coating, causing corrosion.
I did it similar already several times, but pushed down the strut a little bit against the rubber of the lower wishbone and removed the complete upper fixing, together with, the wishbone. In this case you easily can do the following work using a vice.
Unfortunately the upper wishbones on 147, 156, etc. are still troublemakers, especially with noises at colder temperatures. I tried already several brands, but all of them have the same issue after a certain time. Independent using, Monroe, Lemförder, or others.
The last one I tried are from Alfisti Shop, internally greased. But these one made trouble with knocking noises after less then one year.
+1 This is how I do it also. I would think not removing the assembly, it only lifts off when you have it that far, save any time at all. Upper wishbones are a yearly maintenance item almost, especially on V6.
Thanks for sharing.
Hi Neil, love your channel!
Would you happen to have video on replacing piston rings on a twin spark?
I’m also looking to change my valve stem seals and would gladly watch that as well.
Many thanks for your videos thus far and I am looking forward to seeing more.
Cheers, Stephen
No sorry
Another easy way save stripping everything down is to remove the wheel arch liner and bolt can be easily removed
No, you cant´t. The screw is too long. Tried it already without success.
@@Brisbane2024 I done one on the n/s the other week and it worked only had to remove the arch liner
Sometimes it's possible but 9 times out of 10 it's a faff to get the bolt out so always spent 5 min making uour life easier.
@@Brisbane2024no it's not. Remove the liner there's more than enough space. I fitted an impact gun up there and removed the bolt.
I find these easier to do by taking off the top aluminium housing,(which just lifts off the studs,once you have picked out the o ring)with the arm attached,then it’s easy to just undo the bolt on the bench.
totally agree but sometimes its corroded its self to the shocker and it isn't coming off in place.
Thanks Niel. I'll try this method out soon! 🤞🏼
Do you happen to know the size of your ball joins splitter width? I have 24mm offered at the store. Will that work?
Very nice, thanks a lot!!!!
Just wondering if you have removed the rear engine mount below the gear shift?
Good! Works the same on 159s?
Anybody know what a 18inch turbine style alloy for TI with tyre weighs? Ive just had to carry 4 of them up 5 flights of stairs to swap them for my winter tyres. Thought i was going have a f**king heart attack. Just wondered if im really unfit or they are heavy they seemed at least 25kg to me??
hopefully it wasn't all 4 at once.
@@ItaliaAutos no man born from his mother could carry all 4 at once!
Track rod ends? Drop links you mean
Nice video, Neil
I did both.
One question,springs on Alfa GT are shorter then 156 normal suspension.!?
147/156/Gt all suspension is the same from the springs and the shock absorbers, only the Q2 (Gt and 147) has 2cm shorter shock absorbers, i don't know if the 156 had q2 from factory, because the Q2 started from 2007 i think
Unfortunately, it's not that easy for me. The lower arm does not go down like in the video. I have to pull the damper spring or I won't get the horseshoe bolt in there.
doesnt the uwb bolt hit suspension when its turned other way?
nope
How can the excess camber on front of 166 be sorted?
Swap out the worn or bent components
I guess the labour costs for this job is 8 min 11 sec 👍🙈👌
The magic of video editing 👍🤪
Una vez vino un cliente a decirme que esperaba que le haga la correa de distribución de un Megane k4m en 15 minutos porque había visto un video en el que tardaban eso. Traté de explicarle que estaba editado, pero se fue enojado
hi, what’s the reference of your shock key pls
Sorry don't get you.
@@ItaliaAutos your impact wrench?
@@damien6592 It's a Dewalt DCF899HN. Beast!
You don't have to tighten the upper wishbone bolt loaded, it is designed to rotate, so it doesn't matter. Nice trick tho, saves some time compared to intended way, I'll try it when I have to inevitably replace these stupid wishbones again.
It was mainly for the one I'd undone on the lower susp
@@ItaliaAutos Yup, that one flexes only so it has to be tightened loaded.
Bana bı iyilik yapta 156 2.0 1998model gaz kelebeği yolla
Anyone who thinks this is an awkward job has never tried to change a spark plug on a Ferrari Mesqualino.
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Technically I watched it first lol.
Less than 15 minutes , must of done loads of these
Just a few