Honda Civic 2022 e:HEV - Euro Design for North America (ENG) - Test Drive and Review
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- Honda Civic 2022 in Europe is an e:HEV. That’s the hybrid powertrain we know from the Jazz or HR-V, among others. The car is either propelled by an electric motor, the energy for which is generated by the internal combustion engine, or the energy is recouped during coasting and braking, or the internal combustion engine drives the car itself, possibly with some assistance of the electric motor under hard acceleration. Americans got the European-looking liftback, with old powertrains, but with a manual gearbox option. The 11th-generation Honda Civic powered by a two-liter petrol engine with an i-MMD hybrid system has a claimed zero-to-hundred km/h time of between 7.8 and 8.1 seconds, depending on the trim.
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↔ Honda Civic e:HEV 2022 dimensions:
✔ length: 4551
✔ width: 1802 mm
✔ height: 1408 mm
✔ wheelbase: 2734 mm
✔ boot/trunk: 409-1225 L
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Index:
0:00 intro
0:45 Euro Civic
1:20 Civic w Ameryce
1:45 Civic e:HEV
2:15 design
4:00 driving position
5:20 cockpit
7:40 performance
9:10 driving impressions
10:40 fuel economy
11:20 soundproofing
12:05 driver aids
12:40 rear seat
13:05 boot
13:50 pricing
14:00 conclusion - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
A viewer on my Polish channel sent me this: th-cam.com/video/WD2_TQ8ZCBo/w-d-xo.html (3:57).
I see how I got this wrong. TBH it's the first time I heard about it. I understand how e:HEV works, but as soon as I heard eCVT, I ignored everything, and focused on CVT. My fault.
Hi Marek, as a fourth gen Jazz owner, I did lots of research about the e:HEV system, and this is the best explanation around on the internet th-cam.com/video/6glpZTRT6qE/w-d-xo.html
If you want something more technical, there is a prof. Kelly teardown which is amazing as usual th-cam.com/video/QLUIExAnNcE/w-d-xo.html
I've seen both of these videos. Still waiting for Honda to give me a written answer on that. In press materials for the Jazz e:HEV they still call it a transmission.
Tnx for sharing this one!
Don't know why Honda had to put the stupid eCvt word everywhere, I think it's a fail bc a lot of people hate CVT
Instead they should named it Civic Direct Drive or maybe CVD Continuously Variable Drive
Anyhow, I am intrigued but it's mostly the Honda dealer that puts me off and the highway driving consumption
@@luckystrike656 It must have been the marketing guys. They wanted to give the customers a term that they know. The engineers definitely did not approve the term "e-CVT". On the other hand, the eelectric power is modulated in a way that simulates a mechanical CVT, so it is kind of appropriate.
@@luckystrike656 Highway is not that crazy bad: steady 100km/h=4l, 120km/h=6l and 140km/h=7.5l. Tested by private guy on representative distance. Any smallest breaking, downhill etc. and figures go down.
Hello! This car does not have a gearbox at all. Sorry, but you messed up with the CVT part.
You missed the point with CVT completely! There is no CVT
I'm not sure he missed it, maybe it was simply poorly explained here.
Indeed, the system is not a "CVT", it's an ev-like single gear.
The only difference is that the engine can drive the wheels via a clutch, but again just one gear.
They called it CVT because people would be confused about "no gears", but in reality it would have been better to call it a Range extended EV, which is appropriate mostly.
@@marjacu3809 he got confused with the artificial engine sound. But he is a car reviewer eh
@Γιώργος Κωτσάκης TBH untill today I was unaware of the whole "no CVT" issue. This is the third e:HEV I'm reviewing a few years, and somehow nobody pointed out there's no transmission. I will ask Honda about it, because the explanations I found were ambiguous.
It's an eCVT. It feels exactly like a CVT.
th-cam.com/video/QLUIExAnNcE/w-d-xo.html
Exactly, there is no CVT at all. The name "e-cvt" here means "electronically continous variable torque" that is completly different from "continous variable transmition" (in Toyota). There is only one fixed gear for electric motor drive and one for engine (that is directly connected via clutch in some specific drive condition (stable velocity 70-120 kmh). In all other conditions there is elmotor driving the car. There is no way that engine and elmotor are working together as you have said in the video. Before testing it would be fine to look better at the tech info.
I have the new Civiv eHEV Advance. Fabulous car. I have no difficulty getting in and out and I am 78. Not sure how you can suggest it is noisy, mine is whisper quite.
No other reviewer is complaining with the low entry of this car. I think the issue is more with Marek’s fitness or poor back and less with the car.
People have mentioned it is low. It's useful for people to know if they have issues in that area. As for noise levels, i always find that's dependent on how good the person's hearing is. I've been told many times that something is "whisper quiet" only to realise the person commenting was half deaf...
So many issues flagged that other reviewers never mentioned. That's why you remain the most trusted source for me
@Gunzberg, test drive it, and you might rethink your comment. If you can't, then at least check real world figures on the other reviews. I found his "test" entertaining for sure but a bit biased, starting with his remarks on the design. This is a all japanese design and it is not influenced by european or US design, you can find videos with the designers here on YT.
As well I liked his test of the last generation, but again it was very subjective. He is either snarter than anyone else, including professional test drivers and owners of this car, or...well...find your own answer.
@@manuelrenz7281 I'm moving currently and the new place has very poor roads. So I'll be looking at the new CR-V instead
Wery good remark and we have to give Marek the credit for not being overly optimistic about any car.
Not one of Marek’s better reviews. As many have pointed out he hasn’t really done his research on the ‘CVT’.
Yeah, I'll talk to Honda about that. I've seen explanations "Honda calls it eCVT, because people are too dumb to understand what it is". If it's called eCVT, there's transmission involved, even if it's technically not a conventional transmission. Also, regardless of what it is, it feels like a CVT.
There is only one gear no cvt, the motor revs to charge the battery; e-cvt is misleading
I did a testdrive in a Civic Advance and it really impressed me. What a very nice car to drive. It is now on my top-3 list. Unfortunately the dealer mentioned that deliveries can take up to 1 year now....oops!
I have about 1000km in my Advance version. I just switched the Pilot Sport 4s to Goodyear's winter tires. It was quite a transformation to the car. The noise Marek mentioned is definitely coming from the tires. 235/40 R18 requires smooth roads to be quiet. However handling took also hit... I guess Honda wants to be bit more sporty than Toyota, which makes the PS4 quite understandable choice... However, Elegance-version's 17" wheels and slightly more comfort oriented tires might be very nice combo for this car. Anyway, if you want sportier handling, road noise is usually what you get as well... Or very poor tread wear.
I have not had issues with blind spot monitoring nor traffic sign recognition systems at all. Ok, blind spot monitoring beeps sometimes when it does not really need to, but I do understand why it does that (I switch signal on while passing car is still next to me...). Traffic signs are recognized very well here, but maybe Poland has bit different signs? Issues of the global car?
The 1st tank full of fuel gave me average consumption 5.07l/100km. It was mixed driving including plenty of motorways also. Considering it was breaking in period + cold mornings, I don' t thing that was bad at all. And it looks like I will get better numbers with those lighter wheels and narrower winter tires...
Power train is quite confusing. I'm usually telling people that I basically drive electric car all the time (it is just the electric motor propelling the car most of the time anyway). Here is pretty good explanation about it in English if someone is interested (for jazz/fit, but it is the same concept for civic): th-cam.com/video/6glpZTRT6qE/w-d-xo.html
btw Wireless Android Auto is not officially supported, but you can switch it on from the diagnostic menu. Works fine, I'v been using it for awhile now.
I'm still waiting for Honda to tell me their version. In the Jazz e:HEV press materials from 2 years ago they still call it a transmission. It seems the engineers and the product people didn't attend the same meetings :)
@@MarekDrivesENG The press material is for "modern" journalists who don´t know anything about engineering (or anything else, for that matter). It´s not for qualified people like you.
I would love to see your review of the Type R version of this chassis. Thank you Marek
What's great about it is obviously the Honda build, reliability and fuel consumption, if you are interested in these and you can overlook the design which is a strange mix of coupe/sedan/station, , the sound proofing at moderate and higher speeds, the lack of high top speed (something that is coming as the norm in a lot of new hybrid/electric cars) and the not so fresh interior, it is the perfect car. Purely a car for the sensible buyer and not the one who wants something more performance oriented and stylish. Apparently there are quite more of the first kind and no doubt it will be a success no matter what. The Honda name is a success on its own!
Car Wow timed it at 6.78 seconds 0 to 60, hardly slow it feels very lively believe me. I have also had many people tell me how nice the car looks so maybe it's just not to your taste.
@@pillred5974 no matter what I haven't seen any around, they are ridiculously expensive for what they offer. Honda is now making expensive cars that don't have the appeal they used to not even the design, don't know whats wrong with them. They made an electric car that is expensive and with the shortest range, I have seen only one of them on the road. Of the new CRVs, only seen one of them also on the road. Too expensive and outdated design. I used to have a 2008 CRV which I kept for 15 years, gave it to my brother last year, great car, bulletproof, plenty of space, and still looks good, the same stands for the last Civic. This new one looks old school, only for older people, that's why you don't see any of them around.
This is by far the best car in its class. Well done Honda. Marek think you are nitpicking a bit. If this was an over rated VW group car, BMW or Mercedes for example don't think you would be so critical. And no I don't work for Honda but just recognise well engineered and reliable cars.
Yes, no one argues that they are well engineered and reliable cars, maybe the best in their category, and the same will stand for this one too, but they tend to miss on the other areas. This one personally I think it misses on the design, it seems of a 90's design, maybe they want to give it a retro look!I would still buy the 10th gen but not this new one, its just too tasteless for me.
@@pkaps5799 style is a matter of personal taste. I prefer the style of the latest civic. I thought the previous one was a bit too overstyled but that's only my opinion. Just thought that Marek seems to prefer German brands but for me Honda, Toyota and Suzuki are the best long term ownership brands due to superior engineering and reliability.
I think I remember a review done a few years ago on a Skoda. After what Marek said and how satisfied he was with that car, you would have said it was the best in the world. Simply Clever has been said at least 50 times (I'm exaggerating :) ) but I don't think I've seen so much subjectivism.
@@gelu8312 Ha, me saying a Skoda being the best in the world? A Skoda? No matter how good they may be and are I would have never bought one nor I would have said they are the best, Skoda and me two totally different things, must be the iron curtain heritage and the name that spoils it for me. Happy with all my VAGs so far, Golfs, Q3s, Polos, and presently a Cupra VZ 310, but no way I would own a Skoda.
I really like this new civic. Interior is more classy and grown up compared to previous model. Interesting hybrid concept.
Happy to join you every Friday ☺ Thanks for your reviews. Very informative👌
My pleasure 😊
Thanks Marek for the video. That is a very nice car. Yeah sure, it has some budget cuts here and there, but nevertheless it is a good car.
I'm so glad you mentioned the seat height. In the previous version, I felt like I was sitting on the floor so it sounds like this is much the same.
great marek, you are one of the best!
Thanks!
I love this car. Great review as usual, Marek. However, as an oldie (60) the Civic would be too low for me, and much lower than my Jazz.
The Honda Civic e:HEV doesn't have a CVT transmission. It doesn't have a TRANSMISSION whatsoever. It's a sort of unusual and specific powertrain that deserves a bit more research on your part.
"No transmission" means that the wheel is connected directly to the motor shaft...
Which is not the case here.
@@RaduB. a gear doesn't make it a transmission, don't be a tool. Watch the video on WeberAuto youtube channel, and you'll see.
@@dimekoza
I did.
By the way here you are a definition of the transmission: "the mechanism by which power is transmitted from an engine to the axle in a motor vehicle."
@@RaduB. you're being an idiot for no reason, or maybe that's just who you are... the car doesn't have a transmission, period. Do you want me to show you a video with the chief engineer at Honda, actually saying the words: this car doesn't have a transmission?
@dimekoza actually I looked at Honda press materials from 2020, when they were launching the Jazz e:HEV with the same "not a transmission". Guess what! Back then it was called a transmission - "innovative fixed-gear transmission".
As far as semantics are concerned, this is still a transmission. I'm not sure whether it should be called eCVT, but that's a subject for a different debate. I shouldn't have referred to it as CVT, and this was my mistake, but they nailed the CVT feeling even without a CVT :)
Great videos
Genuine question. Which family hatchback on sale today can combine this amount of HP, fuel efficiency and practicality at this price point ? I am looking at buying my next car and I can’t see any cars out there that are matching the Civic. The closest is the 2.0 Corolla hybrid but it’s not really as sporty to drive as the Civic.
Most manufacturers are producing substandard full EVs which don’t suit most people, or PHEVs which are only really good for the WLTP fuel test. Most of the Europeans are still churning out small turbo petrols as if we’re in 2012. Some are even still pushing 2.0 diesels like we’re in 2005!!
I was thinking about Corolla, but Civic is just better overall package and for top spec costs the same as Corolla, so now I'm going more into Civic direction (even if it may be bit too big for my needs).
My specialty topic is Honda Preludes, but I can help with the whole 'Euro' Civic question as well Marek :)
For the 8th and 9th generation Civic, Honda split the model into two distinctive designs - a sedan and coupe for the American and Asian markets, and a hatchback and wagon for the European market. Some markets, like New Zealand and Australia got a bit of both, so the hatchback was often referred to locally as the 'Euro' Civic. The same thing also occurred with the Accord of the same era, with the American market Accord being completely different to the European/Asian market version. In some markets that were offered both the European version was sold officially as the Accord Euro.
I actually quite like this new Civic, and I think I could live with its flaws. Shame about the pricing though, so I might wait for some used examples to become available.
My dad used to have a second gen Prelude. I loved that car!
Great review Marek on a car that is not a boring suv & at least has a bit of something about it that will appeal to the owners wanting something different to what the manufacturers these days are churning out! It might not be the best in its class but it certainly won't be the worst..you 👌
It's definitely different. My only reservation is that I can't figure out, who and why would buy one in Europe. Not very compact from the outside, not class leading in terms of space inside.
@@MarekDrivesENG Re-li-a-bi-li-ty.
@@MarekDrivesENG Whoever wants to buy Corolla can buy this as i'ts at the end better deal for about same price (top specs). I'm not that happy for much bigger dimensions, but at least you have some space and compared to Toyota it's real difference. I like Corolla size, but if I can get way "more car" (even if I don't need it ) for the same money then I tend to go with Civic. Also fact you drive an electric motor most of the time is convincing. At the end Honda hybrid system may be actually "more interesting" and giving more pleasure from drive. Beside according to many (reviews/private people) Civic is overall better package.
Best car is not the one with biggest boot or most powerful engine, but one which is great package as whole and this is exactly what Civic is. Your arguments make hardly any sense and you try hard but so far keep failing as comments are quite consistent- Civic is a great car without any gearbox (which is another huge plus).
65db according to Honda in the cabin
Powertrain system is based on same idea as in eg. Jazz, but it's more powerful one and newly developed.
This car has no gearbox in any shape. It's maybe 20th review which keeps talking about gearbox (please do some research first- there is great video on YT from Honda which explains how whole system works).
It's all simulated and extra faked in SPORT mode buy special unit which can't be turned off (but can be disconnected by 10min DIY). "Gears" in this car is a modulation of the current which powers electric motor.
It's basically an electric car, which most of the time is driven by quite powerful electric motor. Only at specific scenarios (calm, steady ride at 70-140Km/h) system can switch to direct drive by petrol engine (through simple clutch, aka. 6th gear). Any acceleration, hill etc and you back to hybrid mode where electric motor powers wheels and petrol engine just powers generator and battery. In case of any sudden need for extra power system will use generator (so also petrol engine) + stored battery power.
This car never uses both engines at the same time to drive wheels! It's fundamentally different system to Toyota's.
Whole idea is based on fact that petrol engine is mostly disconnected from wheels and can operate at optimal conditions close to maximum engine efficiency (2-3K RPM). Any surplus of energy is stored in battery for later use. This is key secret of this drive system. Typical petrol car operates at relatively low efficiency which changes through the drive and about never reaches optimal value. Here petrol engine, is most of the time, close to its optimal working point, so petrol usage is relatively low (recuperated energy helps further). System is so clever, that when you drive steadily on petrol engine directly and battery gets full, it will switch petrol engine off and instead of wasting new energy it will drive purely from energy stored in battery (even if we drive eg. 120Km/h). Once battery discharges (not close to 0 , but to safe value to prolong its life) petrol engine turns itself on and whole cycle repeats. Petrol engine never slows or speeds too much as this would mean leaving optimal working condition (and burning even 2x more fuel). Instead we either store extra energy in battery or take it from battery (surplus of energy stored earlier or from recuperation). Plain simple at the end. Even recuperation works efficiently as wheels are connected directly with powerful electric motor (no gearbox). Extra good news is that petrol engine is never stressed too much, but operates steadily around its optimal conditions. Thanks to all of this Honda offers warranty up to 300K km as there is not much to break (electric motors are rather reliable parts). We will see how it translates to real life.
Issue with noise may be at least a bit related to fact that Honda comes with Michelin Pilot Sport tires, which are great for grip, but also bit noisy.
Finally excellent and true explanation on e:HEV operation. It should hve been done by Marek in test instead of misinformation. I have solved the issue with tire noise at least for winter time by changing to soft winter tires - and it works, no more noise.
@@rusijoze If you have Civic then look for gear icon in the middle of power flow graphic. If you see it, means car is driving using petrol motor directly. Can happen on steady, flat drive from about 70 up to 140 (or maybe even more).
@@SOMEONE-ME Yes, I know this. 🙂It is interesting to observe it, but more interesting is to feel how nicely the Civic drives🏎
@@rusijoze 😀 At the end it's electric motor and those are great. We just have to figure out how to deliver power to them as current batteries are just no near good enough.
Excellent comment. Lots of useful info. Do you have a link to that honda video explaining the hybrid system. One thing i'll never understand, why they don't use a smaller efficient engine instead of a 4 cylinder. Honda have an excellent efficient 750cc twin cylinder in their NC750x. That would be more than enough to keep a battery charged. It might need to run longer than the 4 cylinder but it would run more efficiently. The NC750x gets 80MPG+ (UK) easily.
I still like the 8th gen. Civic more than anything that followed it.
thank you for the review. I like this 11th gen Civic's fuel economy numbers, updated infotainment system and interior design. All the other stuff like limited max.speed doesn't seem so impressive.
Seriously, when do you really need to go more than 112mph (180kph)?
@@pillred5974 I kinda agree with you. The speed numbers over 180kph practically unusable unless you're going on some German Autobahn. But still... this feeling that current generation have lost 200kph capability. That's a bit disappointing imo.
Quite a scathing review on a car that seems to be praised by everyone else. The suspension and drive in particular seems to be a high point from others but I felt this review did not particularly highlight this as a strength. I would argue that the civic is good value compared to its peers as it’s very well specified across all models.
'phrased' by everyone else ?🙃
@@takuan650 Yes, it’s a different kind of “praise “
I don't think I've ever seen this man like any car.
It seems to be a great car. It's a pity you can't get it with a manual transmission but I suppose you have to trade off the shifter for the hybridization...
Great review.. I agree… not quite sure who this car is for in Europe especially at price point.. I personally quite like the style of this generation but it’s not a practical car for me
What's your opinion about the cabin noise? I drive a golf benzine. I have tested the Civic and I found it a wee bit noisier
As I said, road noise is noticeable.
@@MarekDrivesENG thanks for your opinion.
Wow, I've watched around 30 reviews and this is the first one that slags off the new Honda Civic. Up until now mostly good things about this car.
Please compare it to Corolla hybrid
Surprising how many car reviewers dont know its an eCVT, not CVT
Hi Marek, if I would watch your video without knowing it better I would come to the conclusion that everything is negative. You only mention negative aspects and the positives you mention as neutral. I liked your videos in the past but this one is confusing and polarizing
If you're looking for praise, consult the carmaker's promotional material. Let's say I need something to be above baseline to praise it. This is as average, as it gets.
Hahaha
There are many reviewers out there, doing it solo or as part of a bigger websites/magazines etc.
I am following or watching almost all of them to get to a fairly trusted information.
But, there are two extremes:
- Marek, who is in general very negative, pessimistic and has a great sense of sarcasm
- Dan, for whom everything is "just perfect" and awesome and almost like he can't see anything wrong with any car
Truth is somewhere in between those two i would say.
But at least we can get both ends and i like them exactly for that!
At the end, you are your own judge :)
@@MarekDrivesENG You should make 2 videos for each car, the honest one and the seller version.
I love Marek for being critical. Pointing out the negatives is even more helpful than fixating on the positives. This also shows how much he knows about the topic (excluding the CVT/gearbox thing). Cars are expensive and carmakers should be called out whenever they try to cut corners. Quite often a test drive is not enough for us to realize this before signing the paperwork, but finding things that annoy you one month down the road could be too late. If Marek would repeat the same story as other reviewers, I wouldn't watch him.
@@MarekDrivesENG Hi Marek, which family car would you recommend in this price category around 30 000 euros? Thank you.
After watching the video, I felt like wanting to come here and criticize Marek for being too harsh on purpose with this model. But I am no Honda fanboy (or anything fanboy, really), so I will only give my two cents.
With all cars, some things are good and some are bad. Cost cutting, poor design decisions or quirks are not shown in press releases and might be missed by some reviewers (by mistake, hopefully). So I will say thank you, Marek, for letting me know what I should check when I test drive this car. For me it might not be deal breaker, but it's good to know.
What's also good to know is what and who this car is for. It's clearly designed to be used in the city for most of the time and also it's a great fit for short trips. Due to the transmission layout, the engine will be controlled by the ECU alone, so it will run at a more or less constant RPM (because you don't change gears), which is better for the engine, especially when cold.
It's built for efficiency, reliability and economy and targeted to those who are specifically looking for that.
The car is comfortable enough, probably, and might be pleasurable to drive as well, I will test it to see for myself. I already know that the eHEV system fits my needs perfectly and it might be the main selling point of this car if more people understand it.
I have seen just one reviewer explain the system thoroughly (I'd share the video, but it's in Romanian) and I think it's been overlooked for the most part, which is a shame because it could be a very useful information for people interested in this segment.
There is no CVT gearbox..., do a research bofore saying nonsense!!!
It’s funny you complain about the low seating position when in almost every other review you complain that the seat does not go low enough. 🤔🤔🤔 Goldilocks? 😂😂😂
True. And this time I got more, than I bargained for.
The lower you sit, the better you feel the car. It sounds like all around suddenly became old people, who can’t get out of the car. It’s not a cart at least. That is low I agree.
I got more, than I bargained for. Also, new Honda buyers seems to a bit more mature, than those burning rubber in beat-up hatchbacks :)
@@MarekDrivesENG Would be interesting to test it by myself. Sometimes it strangely relate to reviews (not blaming reviewers, everyone has it’s own scale). Just had latest Corsa (with digital dash, manual, 100hp I think, 40k on odo) as rental car for a week. After I checked reviews, and seemed like it’s a good car. But I found only few positive things. Almost everything what car consists of and you interact with it had bad implementation: back hurts almost immediately, turning indicators to high,clutch like sack of sand, steering uninformative and loose, same with shifter, plus strange knocks on it and engine twitching, vibration and so on. Maybe for some it’s unnoticeable, but I feel when the car acts really good. Strange that I almost didn’t find it on any review, but most of then was AT with stronger engine.
How do I like it? I still prefer the 8th generation. What I like the most about this one? The cargo cover. Thanks for another useful review!
The 8th gen was pinnacle Civic design for me. Although I have fond memories of the split-tailgate 3-door 5th gen as well. I destroyed my mom's gearbox on that one practicing J turns :)
@@MarekDrivesENG That's a nice topic - the stupid things I did with parent's cars and what were the consecvences :) I have a story or two I never told anyone :)
Go on then! :)
Thank Marek for confirming me that Honda still didn’t fix their road noise issue which is such a shame for such a good package. I still own an Accord and road noise is my only gripe on Hondas.
What about the stock audio system ?
No idea. I listen to podcasts. As long as the speakers don't crackle, I'm OK with whatever.
I own a 10th gen ( 182 hp manual ) after I was pleasently surprised how well it drives previously not even considering it for a next car. It's spacious enough, economical and more fun to drive than it has any right to. So I was all hyped up for 11th gen UNTIL I saw the prices. It's around 10 k EUR ( or some 40 per cent) more than brand new one I bought 2 years ago so I agree completely that what we needed was North American version instead of this. But I guess we can thank green zealots for that. I just can get over the fact that now Americans are getting all the ''drivers'' car and Europeans are getting all the eco white goods - oh the irony.
Forget about prices from 2 years ago...this is history. Not sure what is better in American version- much worse engine which would most likely cost the same anyway?
I also own 10th gen sport plus. Just test drove the 11th gen sport and it felt much better. Best way to describe the car is that it felt premium.
Marek this review is a bit confusing. All other reviews I saw saying that the car is put in motion by the electric motor only. I have to dig a little more :). Anyway, thanks for the review! Cheers!
He got that bit completely wrong. It is an EV with a range-extending petrol engine that also propels the car but only at high speed. There are no gears and it is not a CVT in any way.
It's not a CVT, it's a fluid torque converter transmission at higher speeds and n electric motor at lower speeds either powered by battery or battery with ICE generator to battery power.
You seem to have the best explanation I've read so far. I will ask Honda about their version, because the only thing I found was a Honda employee saying "no transmission, everybody gets it wrong", but the video seems to start in the middle of a longer speech.
There is no torque converter. It's a clutch connection with the ICE, or directly by the Electric motor. You can find the best description on the WeberAuto youtube channel.
I watched WeberAuto explanation as well, and not being an engineer I'd still call this a transmission. But semantics aside, I realise I ignored how the system works, and I said it's a CVT, which it is not. It feels pretty close to CVT, but it's definitely not. My mistake.
Unusually I disagree with you on every aspect! I have the seat in a high position and it's definitely easier to get into than my old golf 8....I think the door opening is bigger. Also it has no gearbox...the cvt is constantly variable current feeding the two electric motors. Watch the vanarama review for an engineers explanation. In the UK £2000 more gets you to advance from sport and its well worth it, significantly improving the feel of quality and refinement. I'm new to Honda, and do agree with you that this car is in a category of one. I have become an instant fanboy after years of golfs.
I just did. I see my mistake, but in my defence I'll say they nailed the CVT feel without a CVT :)
@@MarekDrivesENG I do understand that it does rev to recharge the batteries but in sport mode the fake sensation of going through gears is quite convincing for those of us who aren't 100% motorpsort purists. Around town I swan around in mostly electric mode . This is a car designed with a torquey, exploitable low and mid range , I doubt I'll ever go much over 70mph even on longer journeys or that I'll ever engage the ice on full load, in keeping with the core civic demographic.
I'm still digging through Honda's press releases for the Jazz, where e:HEV was first introduced in Europe, and over there they are still calling this a transmission. It seems that with the Civic they decided to call it "not a transmission" :)
As for the sensation, I'd say it does a better job of faking gears in normal, than in sport mode, but it doesn't matter. This car deserves a manual beyond Type R.
@@MarekDrivesENG I see what you mean, a mild performance version like the civic always has in the past and America still does. I used to buy hot hatches but now I'm older it didn't even occur to me to look for a manual in the range I must admit!
A manual that makes sense is increasingly hard to come by these days. This is one of the few cars that would, and I know the Americans get the Si with a manual option. Would I get a manual? We have an MX-5, so that itch is scratched. And then we have a Countryman AWD automatic to deal with the boring everyday stuff in a vaguely fun form. We used to have a compact hatchback, and a compact estate. Sold those two, and never thought of buying a compact car again. Either a supermini or something considerably bigger.
Hi Marek, I really like your reviews and sense of humor. However, I‘m a bit surprised about your conclusions in this review. I own one in the Elegance trim since a few weeks. The car is super quiet, the suspension amazingly balanced, comfortable yet stable on windy roads. My traffic sign recognition hasn‘t missed one single sign, not one. Thanks for the review!
Me too, I can confirm all of these.
I testdrove the Sport version two weeks ago. As you said the road noise (Michelin Pilot Sport4 tires) was eminent! My Focus 1.5 182 HP with also 18" trims is much quiter. Furthermore the middle console was in the way against my knee, the sailsman/seller had the same problem. In the Avance you can change, beside the heigth of the seat cushion, also the angle, there I didn't have the problem. I did find the suspension A+ it is to my opinion a perfect compromis between comfort and sportivity, but again that tyre noise :-(. The previous model had the same problem. The seller did experience the same and he said that they were going to experiment with other tyres, the Pilot Sport 4 are to his opinion not the most silent ones. In general I did love the car very much, but not enough to trade in my Focus at least not at the moment.
its your tyes there no gip and no noise that why your focus is sad
Go back to test the seating position, you can put your foot ( one having contact with the center console) straight through the under dashboard pass leg rest gap, some way into the engine bay! I was surprised by this, but it turns out even the 9th gen has it if your feet or shoes are not that large, it's even more accommodating in the latest civic!
Honda Australia sell one hi spec model for $47k with 5 year unlimited km warranty, 5 year roadside assistance, it’s got 131kw….
I think it’s MPG is really good at higher speeds cause your only using fuel at those speeds
Music, love the channel but this time around i was very irritated by the background tune.
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I was hugely interested in that car but after a test drive I was no longer interested in the new Civic. I could not find any comfortable seating position: I always had the feeling that the pedals are too close even when the seat is in the lowest and most distant position. It hurt my knees. Also the back of the seats felt too narrow for my taste. I always had the feeling someone is pinching me in the shoulder area. I am 1.82m tall.
If at least it came with american engine options - normal NA 2.0 petrol, manual, without any hybrid tech...
Also I don't understand the little fuel tanks in many new cars, just put a 70l tank in everything bigger than a city car.
Consider that a health measure i.e. preventing heart attacks when filling up your fuel tank from empty to full and discovering it would costs you three figures now (in EUR)
@@dalibormilic139 You can always fill it partialy, and also get much more range when traveling to a country with more expensive fuel.
Well with 40 liters you are good to go for 750 km, or even close to 800.
Thats something...
@@manuelrenz7281 Not really. This honda will use at least 7l/100km on the highway which gives you 570km of range if you empty the tank completely which you won't since the low fuel light would come after around 450-500km.
@@ILIJA26101993 I am at 4.9 liters now and guess what, i drive on the Autobahn. Other owners i know have between 4.5 and 5.1 liters. Those are real world figures from actual owners.
I've just asked my cousin in Kentucky and he said that Americans call pretty much every single hatchback - a Euro design. So in terms of Civic, that's every generation from 1972 up to 2004-5 . . somewhere where the classic stubby hatch disappeared. With that said, the US is large enough to call this a regional thing and it's very probable. I know for a fact that Texans call every hatchback "a bug" as a comparison for something small (an insect).
LOL.
I've seen a lot of these on my BMW 7 Series launch trip. Many were Si, which leads to believe there's a bit of an enthusiast community around Civics over there. This looks business, but I'd rather have a regular non-hybrid manual.
the 11th gen is a WORLD car not specifically designed for a specific market. It has been developed with a japanese influence in regarding its design. JDM civic 11th gen is almost the same, not much differences.
Is this the firts bad euro civic review?
you can tell that you did not liked this car and it's a very subjective review, this car has a lot of positive points but I don't think you were interested in them and won't describe them to you, but as you were asking yourself in one of the comments who would by this car, I can tell you this, as it's a hatchback, 5 doors car; this would be bought by calculated people who put praise on the combination between good driving, efficiency, space, equipment and warranty;
Is it just me, or does the Civic has similarities with the Corolla?
Its just you.
Anything that Americans don't buy, like hatches, wagons... are Euro inspired. LOL. It used to be Americans only bought sedans, then somebody got the bright idea to build an off-road truck type thing that really was a minivan, called it a SUV and the rest is legend. Manual transmission is very Euro too. Americans hate those as well. LOL.
Anyways, I think the new Honda interiors are very clean, well sorted, visually appealing. But being a wagon person, I say this is half way to being right.. :).
The Everyday Driver guys seem to love manuals, but then at least one of them seems to have some European connection (or he lived in Europe as a teenager).
@@MarekDrivesENG Don't know who that is. They must be the 0.5% of Americans who know how to drive a manual. My nephew who's 14 asked me last month if it was important to learn how to drive a manual, and I said, haven't you seen one of those scary movies in the cottage country where some guy is killing everybody with an axe and there's 1 car to escape but it's coincidentally a manual? Don't you want to be the go to guy who saves everybody?
Everybody wants to be a hero! Also, if he ever takes a gap year in Europe, there may still be some manual rental shitbox left, and he'll know how to operate it :)
@@MarekDrivesENG YES! HA. either be a hero or a romantic!!! Driving his manual shitbox with his GF eating baguette and stinky cheese!!
Don't forget smoking cigarettes. Real ones, not the electronic ersatz. BTW, I once stumbled upon some 70's or 80's British review of a French car, where the reviewer complained about the centrally mounted ashtray, rather a door mounted one. It turns out in right hand drive cars right-handed smokers had trouble simultaneously smoking and shifting gears :)
You tend to find negative things on every car you review. And, by the way,No CVT transmition on this car. Do your home work.
He is always negative, but do not blame him it is the polish way of living 🙂
@@rusijoze Hahaaaaa....not blaming him,however its a bit anoying when you put emphasis on negative indtead of positive things in life. He is masking it in the name of journalism,but I think it is a personal trait instead. That said,everything in this life comes with pros and cons including car industry/products,but I genuinely think that this Honda civic is a good car to own.
@@spirokaci You are right, he is too biased. It is a great car to drive and live with. I own one for one month now. Fully disagree with his points, they are fakes.
Previous generation Civic looked better. Specially the bigger one, don't remember if that was called the sedan or lifback
The E:HEV has no gears..... no CVT.
Seems like a good car and every car specialist praises it here in Greece. Especially for the economy, combined with the sporty feeling.
B u t, the dealer priced it extremely wrong, prices starting *from* 41.500. Wtf???
Quality inside looks really good, design-wise the simplicity is my cup of tea, and overall a nice normal design - nothing groundbraking like the mazda 3 though.
PS.: Marek, you forgot the design of the previous Civic, when mentioning the other generations being more extreme...
Καλησπέρα !μενω Πολωνία και το αυτοκίνητο ξεκινάει σχεδόν 10000 ευρώ φθηνότερα 😮είναι απίστευτη αυτό που κάνει η Χοντα στην Ελλάδα
@@yorkbah Εν τω μεταξύ δεν έχει ούτε η Πολωνία καλές τιμές σε άλλα αυτ-τα, σύμφωνα με τον Marek.
Οπότε ο Σαρακάκης πραγματικά ξεπέρασε εαυτόν.
Δεν φταίει όμως αυτός, φταίμε οι αγοραστές που τα πληρώνουμε.
Συναντάω στους δρόμους Jazz Crosstar που έχει 30k και θέλω να καλέσω την αστυνομία..
Anyway, να είσαι καλά φίλε/η, τα φιλιά μου στην ωραία Πολωνία!
@@johnvarjohn2549 ευχαριστώ πολύ φίλε μου και εσυ να είσαι καλά !οι τιμές εδώ είναι λίγο καλύτερες από Ελλάδα ως με μεγάλη διαφορά όπως Honda.
Άλλο παράδειγμα με Καλη διαφορά ειναι η Peugeot (-3000€) Subaru ,Nissan ,BMW κ. α
Disagree with almost everything you said...
The climate control won't work as good in ECON mode, but in the other modes ita very much okay.
I think gen10 civic had wonderful petrol engines with manual but a terrible looks and interior. Especially the infotainment was below-par to pretty much any manufacturer. Now it is so so much improved. But scrapping these manual petrols sort of mad Honda Civic to lose it's real face. Now with the hybrid, small fuel tank, not too comfortable seating and a bad sound proofing it is just not a car for longer highway rides. Then why you would implement hot-hatch like performance? I don't really see a lot of sense in this car.. Shame!
I have the entry level, with 17 inch wheels, it is not noisy, seats are comfortable, the ride is almost perfect. Compared to the last generation and my former BMW 318.
Stopped watching this guy years ago. Came across this while looking at Civic videos. Just as I remembered, overly negative review.
it looks like the Honda CrossTour; so nothing impressive; deja vue
A great looking interior but I can't warm to the exterior look. It's a bland design and has lost any character of the previous version. The unusually low Civic is a compromise too far. Getting out again would be a literal pain for me.
There is no gears or rev to speak of for this car...
Brilliant technology, often poor execution. That is Honda. As a past owner of the 10th gen Civic, I can attest to that. I think that this sports hatchback will appeal to few people. Most like to sit higher and more upright, that is why this is the age of the (sports) SUV. The Civic has also gotten too expensive for mid-class people I think. It is also very complex, with corresponding increase in maintenance costs. I think that there are other (Japanese) brands with better value for money.
What are those Japanese brands with better value for money?
Which new cars today are not complex except for the cheapest ones?
I am not trying to defend the Civic here, these are just honest questions.
@@otomoravec1732 Indeed, cars have become very complex. But Honda's hybrid train is even more so. I think that Toyota and Suzuki, the former because it retains value more, the latter because it's cheaper, have better VFM.
Awkward design. CVT? Nope!
It doesnt even have a gearbox in a conventional way. Its only called eCVT, but has nothing to do with a traditional CVT.They dont change the gear ratio mechanically, they change the amount of electric current, which is sent to the electric motor.
@@flykas1935 Thank You, but still sounds like sh!t to me.
Tester has no idea how to drive it and tells a fake. I have the car and there is no CVT like sound at all. Try it yourself and then decide, do not trust other people's outcomes, never know who pay them 🙂
@@rusijoze Specially those posting on YT, where all what counts is your: CLICK :)
eCVT is the natural perfect design for any hybrid. Any hybrid without e-CVT is very jolty and not as efficient and not as reliable.
I am shocked that this is the only option available for the new Civic!!
They took away the last generation which was very good and affordable, which we could buy until a month ago, and replaced it with an automatic only hybrid, which costs nearly double the price here!!
The 1.0L and 1.5L manual tenth generation were actually perfect for most people looking for a family car, but this isn't!
The "old" Civic started at less than €25,000 here, but this one starts at €47,000!! - it's hardly an affordable family car anymore, when who wants to drive a stupid heavy hybrid automatic?! 😯😂🩲🦨🚗 .
While of course the Type R is manual petrol and non hybrid, but it'll probably be €80,000 here if they even sell it, when the last one cost €60,000+, when the likes of Carwow already bemoaned the fact that it's £12,000 dearer than the old model...
IF this new car was available with a non hybrid engine and a manual gearbox for less than €30,000, it might have a place in the market, but as it is no chance!
And while I wouldn't touch an EV with a bargepole, the Tesla model 3 has come down in price twice recently, starting at around €60,000 a few months ago, but it now starts at €43,000, so if this one drives like an EV, why not buy a silly EV instead?! 😯
Wow, Honda have really screwed up with this! 😂🩲 .