Why not color grade the GoPro footage in a similar way using the same Final Cut Pro editing software? Why not use a heavier battery on the GoPro drone so that it flies more similarly?
to be honest, the jittery and soft bm footage looks not as good to me as the Gopro looks. You have similar color information in the 11 thanks to 10bit. I get the point that clients sometimes want the big guns, but personally I findthe Gopro look much better and cleaner
@@auleoo unfortunately if it's required for the file sizes or for lots of lens options, GoPro doesn't have that option. Naked bmpcc4k are standard on commercial sets for fpv, unless it's komodo.
@@threeweekstowanderthat’s the point . that crispy look that you like is usually considered amateurish, you can add sharpness quite easily if needed. Removing sharpness isn’t as easy or effective. The in camera digital sharpness is a big no no for video production, that’s why, if i have to shoot with the gopro i would reduce in camera sharpness in the settings
interesting video! my takeaway is that as a non-professional that would be a waste of money as you said at the end. I mean I do have a pretty awesome professional-tier camera with a collection of nice lenses, but I would never carry it without a wrist-strap to keep it safe let alone put it on a drone haha, with my piloting skills that would be an absolutely insane decision that would 100% end in tears. i have so much respect for you guys who have the skills that let you confidently fly something so pricey, it looks so stressful
Ok but why did you export a h264 8bit clip and not a hvec 10bit clip? Also the 11 mini gives me no issues at all, I have also the big GoPro and I fly only the mini now. When you unlock GoPro labs it is even better to colorgrade .
For sure. I don't know but I feel like most of these creators dont know about gopro labs and the log footage you can get from it. To be honest you can get that same quality on the gopro as on the blackmagic, just without the extra adjustments like iso changing
I fly with a naked blackmagic and can see the difference. However I am fussy too and dont mind the extra efforts required for the extra image quality gained. Having a real laowa 7.5mm rectilinear lens and good ND filters and camera with full control is worth it to me. If one doesnt color grade or wants point n shoot ease then stick to the gopro. One must use post stabilization for the BM but the 16 bit color in post is divine. What you put into it is what ya get out.
I’m at the exact same point in my FPV career. I don’t have clients asking for cinelifter shots but I need to have one for when the time comes. Definitely going for the 7” vulture possibly adding the 8” arms and propellers to make it a little more beefier for some fast shots
to my eyes I wasn't quite able to differentiate. The GP looked fine, I would take the cinelifter however for faster lenses and larger sensors which means night shots.
Danny...first awesome job on this video! If I'm totally honest, I had no idea anyone was making these Black Magic FPV's (really love the START/STOP recording button and Toggle switches on the drone itself). Looks top notch! Totally agree that GoPro gets the job done (I use them all the time myself). However, my personal favorite for FPV is still the GoPro BONES! Light, small, use QRC Codes and I'm up and flying. Personally I've had ZERO issues with the GoPro Bones. As far as the Black Magic FPV and Camera setup...looks amazing and for the PRO its well worth it if you are getting those types of clients and their paying properly to reflect the additional costs. I'm certain that the heavier drone helps in those 'high wind' conditions your probably getting a lot of in Hawaii. Great job on this video!
Great video, I have flown side by side with a naked black magic cam in Istanbul, the difference especially on harder shots, darker shot etc is immense... But what I`m actually interested is your plug-ins and what they are actually doing? Do you have a video on that? For example I use gyroflow and Fcpx as separate programs, what do I gain from installing the toolbox? I don`t fly a blackmagic, would I gain anything by it?
Looking at the footage blind, "currently" I prefer the GoPro however... I think that's because you have an established workflow and are used to grading the GP footage, I think given time to get your BM workflow down and your grading sorted, the Black Magic footage will blow the GoPro away. I can see you're getting the hang of it as some of the footage at the end looks amazing (even if YT crushes video).
Yeah, it can’t even be compared . It’s apples and oranges. Gopro is cool and all but it’s just an action camera. What you are buying with the BM is way more possibilities, of course that’s if you know what you re doing when you shoot and when you colorgrade, if not, Gopro is your best bet
This was interesting to see, but I think it would have been better if you used an nd filter on the gopro too, as well as recording gopro in flat colour profile and then colour grading the gopro too for closer comparison. Also, the bm footage you took looks more blurry, and the gyroflow still isnt perfect as i spotted a few moments with stutter. Also the colour grade on the bm didn’t look that good compared to others who colour grade their gopro footage. Interesting rigs though, and i appreciate the video.
This is a tough one, knowing TH-cam also jacks with settings after uploads. In this sampling... GoPro > BM in color... but to be fair, it could be the LUT or just personal preference to the color tweaks you added. I'd rather have seen a sample of trying to match the colors to each other rather than showing something tweaked to a personal preference vs one that is straight out of the box. The reds were pushed to the extreme in the BM samples. While a fun look, it just doesn't look as realistic when compared to the GoPro footage or your studio camera for that matter. Color aside, I was hoping to see a cleaner center focus on the BM setup. A GoPro kinda has that infinite focus look of a smartphone more so than a bokeh effect of a cinematic lens, but having more in focus is preferable to things out of focus. I'd guess the gyro flow settings caused some issues here. Keep tweaking... I think you'll get it figured out and be able to justify the expense difference soon enough. Nice flying btw.
Danny, are you really comparing a fully compressed h264 8 bit footage to a braw? You can equally manipulate the colors from the 10 bit prores footage, I've done it multiple times.. Naturally nothing compares to braw, (maybe EXRs from a red/arri) but at least it would be a "fair-er" comparison:D As you mentioned I highly doubt the PRORES of GOPRO is true PROREs, but at least its not as compressed and with Labs and mbps pulled up as much as possible you can get better results. The BM on your drone probably still needs a few tweaks as there is a little jello, and focus hunt, but hopefully you can get that tweaked! awesome drone tho, I envy you a lot for it!
Hey man, yeah 100% need to get better at the BM workflow - but as far as doing h.264 to the Braw it's a fair comparison based on previous experience with prores gopro footage. I've done extensive tests and the differences were negligible
Thanks Danny for the shoutout a the beginning, I definitely enjoyed this build and have many many more mad scientist projects up my sleeves. Biggest thing with Black magic is the data and lens options. As for vignetting, step up ring to a 67-77mm nd should get rid of some of that. Also working on a lightweight spinner for some misty action
Mitch is the man ….he is like a wizard with Fpv stuff…. If that’s what it takes to get to the next level …..then there is no question only an understanding
Damn, you're an animal, editing with a track pad. haha, very nice vid! I'm not going for a BM anytime soon, but I love that they are so accessible now. It's really going to increase the amount of good videos out there.
Hi, you have remove power switch. If you hit sth like tree branch you could lose power and drone. Next thing, you have to install gps then if you lose vision or control drone should go back alone
Clients often wants the big guns because it is „more professional“ and matches the cameras they use. But they often have no clue and couldn’t tell which camera you’re shooting with, unless they see it or you’ll tell them! But to be honest, i am 100% sure, that if you show the footage of the gopro and the Black magic to a hundred different people and nobody knows which cameras and drones you are using, well over 90% would say that the go pro footage looks way better and if they should guess, they would for sure say that the gopro is the more professional footage/camera! So in my opinion it’s absolutely not worth it! I am disappointed by the Black magic, but at the same time extremely impressed by the quality of this cheap little gopro!
No way is ur Chimera GoPro mount just stuck on haha. Get a TPU Mount and a TPU Case for the GoPro. Not only will it secure your GoPro better, but it will add some vibration dampening and protection.
My takeaway here is this: you show the client expensive equipment, you justify charging clients higher rates. It's tough comparing the 2 videos fairly because the color grades are so different, with the GoPro looking slightly greener than normal, while the Black Magic looking way more magenta than normal. But once you show up on site with that naked BMPCC and cinelifter lite, it will be tough for the client to haggle.
Wow I think BM is beyond the fpv drone hobby ... vidiography or maybe cinematography and peoples wont noticed the differeneces vs GP that much when lookin to the result on youtube with their smartphone. However the BM 7inch build looks awesome.😮
@@Mcgeee I had the similar issues putting Sony ZV1 and A6600. There is something about bigger lens/sensor that makes this blur. As there is very little benefit in quality because FPV footage shot from very far and that negates benefit of a bigger sensor.
@@joelelhadj6993 cuz you always need to put extra weights on Sony A7IV to look professional, little cage, rails, some barn doors. :D I guess, we need starting putting the same 3D printed fake cases on the GoPro to make it cinema quality now. :)
Do you have a video for someone looking at getting a drone, goggles and transmitter for someone disabled but knows how to fly a drone and get back into my graphics and photography with? I've been taking care of my grandmother for 13 years and at the end of July she went to her resting place from cancer as I was beside her. I need to get back into my graphics again and would like to start adding FPVs to my arsenal. Other than a plane ride, even in my dreams I can't fly. A friend bought 2 drones from a store going out of business and gave me one after I shattered my ankle. as I was flying one day it it went up about 50-60 feet and decided to run away. And with a shattered ankle recovering couldn't jump the fence to see where it went. Even walked the road it went straight down. I'd like a either RTR or build that will last awhile with good quality video. I've seen you like the DJI goggles V2 and the 03 avata transmitter. But the drone I would like good run time, something that can hold a decent size battery and range. Thank you for your advice in advance. I ride again and with a back pack can take a drone. Thank you again for you professional opinion. I got into Hobby grade RCs and now have 10 that I could sale all but 3 and start my FPV drone endeavor. So I would have about $2500 to start something. Thank you Danny.if you get the chance to respond. If not, thank you for taking time to read this. Love watching you work and the passion. I need that in my life now that my best friend (my grandmother) is gone. I need my mind to breath and leave this ball of dirt for awhile and get back to my graphic and photography roots.
Hey man. Sorry to hear about all that! Here's a video to my reccomended gear video though - th-cam.com/video/XTLDQXIZSnc/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=DannyMcgee
Why not color grade the GoPro footage in a similar way using the same Final Cut Pro editing software? Why not use a heavier battery on the GoPro drone so that it flies more similarly?
to be honest, the jittery and soft bm footage looks not as good to me as the Gopro looks. You have similar color information in the 11 thanks to 10bit. I get the point that clients sometimes want the big guns, but personally I findthe Gopro look much better and cleaner
While the GoPro looks crispy, the lens options on BM with the 7.5, 9, and 17mm Laowa lightweight lenses are soooo nice.
GoPro technically has 10 bit but when you actually use it you don;t have near the flexibility of something like the BM
have to agree on that bm looks jittery and soft.. some times cheaper and simpler is the way to go.
@@auleoo unfortunately if it's required for the file sizes or for lots of lens options, GoPro doesn't have that option. Naked bmpcc4k are standard on commercial sets for fpv, unless it's komodo.
@@threeweekstowanderthat’s the point . that crispy look that you like is usually considered amateurish, you can add sharpness quite easily if needed. Removing sharpness isn’t as easy or effective. The in camera digital sharpness is a big no no for video production, that’s why, if i have to shoot with the gopro i would reduce in camera sharpness in the settings
interesting video! my takeaway is that as a non-professional that would be a waste of money as you said at the end. I mean I do have a pretty awesome professional-tier camera with a collection of nice lenses, but I would never carry it without a wrist-strap to keep it safe let alone put it on a drone haha, with my piloting skills that would be an absolutely insane decision that would 100% end in tears. i have so much respect for you guys who have the skills that let you confidently fly something so pricey, it looks so stressful
You colorgraded them quite differently. Hard to see the difference. But definitelly black magic has sense for more high end stuff.
Ok but why did you export a h264 8bit clip and not a hvec 10bit clip? Also the 11 mini gives me no issues at all, I have also the big GoPro and I fly only the mini now. When you unlock GoPro labs it is even better to colorgrade .
For sure. I don't know but I feel like most of these creators dont know about gopro labs and the log footage you can get from it. To be honest you can get that same quality on the gopro as on the blackmagic, just without the extra adjustments like iso changing
I like color from GoPro in your example. The ground from the bm looks too magenta but that’s just based on color grading
01:19 This is the last time you are stealing my content! You didnt ask for permission to use my videos.
I fly with a naked blackmagic and can see the difference. However I am fussy too and dont mind the extra efforts required for the extra image quality gained. Having a real laowa 7.5mm rectilinear lens and good ND filters and camera with full control is worth it to me. If one doesnt color grade or wants point n shoot ease then stick to the gopro. One must use post stabilization for the BM but the 16 bit color in post is divine. What you put into it is what ya get out.
I’m at the exact same point in my FPV career. I don’t have clients asking for cinelifter shots but I need to have one for when the time comes. Definitely going for the 7” vulture possibly adding the 8” arms and propellers to make it a little more beefier for some fast shots
to my eyes I wasn't quite able to differentiate. The GP looked fine, I would take the cinelifter however for faster lenses and larger sensors
which means night shots.
need to watch it in 4K and even then, youtube will reduce the quality quite a bit. it's all about the raw though.
Danny...first awesome job on this video! If I'm totally honest, I had no idea anyone was making these Black Magic FPV's (really love the START/STOP recording button and Toggle switches on the drone itself). Looks top notch! Totally agree that GoPro gets the job done (I use them all the time myself). However, my personal favorite for FPV is still the GoPro BONES! Light, small, use QRC Codes and I'm up and flying. Personally I've had ZERO issues with the GoPro Bones. As far as the Black Magic FPV and Camera setup...looks amazing and for the PRO its well worth it if you are getting those types of clients and their paying properly to reflect the additional costs. I'm certain that the heavier drone helps in those 'high wind' conditions your probably getting a lot of in Hawaii. Great job on this video!
Oh..on a side note. Looks like you got some MISC footage in here at 4:15 😂😂😂 Not sure if anyone noticed..
Great video, I have flown side by side with a naked black magic cam in Istanbul, the difference especially on harder shots, darker shot etc is immense... But what I`m actually interested is your plug-ins and what they are actually doing? Do you have a video on that? For example I use gyroflow and Fcpx as separate programs, what do I gain from installing the toolbox? I don`t fly a blackmagic, would I gain anything by it?
Toolbox allows you to stabilize the Braw footage in final cut. Gyroflow can't export full res Braw
Great video! All new to me, very interesting to see just what goes into making a high end video.
Looking at the footage blind, "currently" I prefer the GoPro however... I think that's because you have an established workflow and are used to grading the GP footage, I think given time to get your BM workflow down and your grading sorted, the Black Magic footage will blow the GoPro away. I can see you're getting the hang of it as some of the footage at the end looks amazing (even if YT crushes video).
Yeah, it can’t even be compared . It’s apples and oranges. Gopro is cool and all but it’s just an action camera. What you are buying with the BM is way more possibilities, of course that’s if you know what you re doing when you shoot and when you colorgrade, if not, Gopro is your best bet
This was interesting to see, but I think it would have been better if you used an nd filter on the gopro too, as well as recording gopro in flat colour profile and then colour grading the gopro too for closer comparison. Also, the bm footage you took looks more blurry, and the gyroflow still isnt perfect as i spotted a few moments with stutter. Also the colour grade on the bm didn’t look that good compared to others who colour grade their gopro footage. Interesting rigs though, and i appreciate the video.
Hello
What the plug-in Picture in Picture ? Thx
“But wait, there”s more!” Great overview. Despite of being a bit more complicated, the results are great.
This is a tough one, knowing TH-cam also jacks with settings after uploads. In this sampling... GoPro > BM in color... but to be fair, it could be the LUT or just personal preference to the color tweaks you added. I'd rather have seen a sample of trying to match the colors to each other rather than showing something tweaked to a personal preference vs one that is straight out of the box. The reds were pushed to the extreme in the BM samples. While a fun look, it just doesn't look as realistic when compared to the GoPro footage or your studio camera for that matter. Color aside, I was hoping to see a cleaner center focus on the BM setup. A GoPro kinda has that infinite focus look of a smartphone more so than a bokeh effect of a cinematic lens, but having more in focus is preferable to things out of focus. I'd guess the gyro flow settings caused some issues here. Keep tweaking... I think you'll get it figured out and be able to justify the expense difference soon enough. Nice flying btw.
Yup tons of tweaking still left to do. Having fun with it tho!
Hey Danny! What tech specs are you running on your computer to handle these massive files?
Danny, are you really comparing a fully compressed h264 8 bit footage to a braw? You can equally manipulate the colors from the 10 bit prores footage, I've done it multiple times.. Naturally nothing compares to braw, (maybe EXRs from a red/arri) but at least it would be a "fair-er" comparison:D As you mentioned I highly doubt the PRORES of GOPRO is true PROREs, but at least its not as compressed and with Labs and mbps pulled up as much as possible you can get better results. The BM on your drone probably still needs a few tweaks as there is a little jello, and focus hunt, but hopefully you can get that tweaked! awesome drone tho, I envy you a lot for it!
Hey man, yeah 100% need to get better at the BM workflow - but as far as doing h.264 to the Braw it's a fair comparison based on previous experience with prores gopro footage. I've done extensive tests and the differences were negligible
What do u mean GoPro player automatically decides it dsoesnt need stabilising ?
Thanks Danny for the shoutout a the beginning, I definitely enjoyed this build and have many many more mad scientist projects up my sleeves.
Biggest thing with Black magic is the data and lens options.
As for vignetting, step up ring to a 67-77mm nd should get rid of some of that. Also working on a lightweight spinner for some misty action
Epic dude. So stoked with this setup 🤘🏽
Mitch is the man ….he is like a wizard with Fpv stuff…. If that’s what it takes to get to the next level …..then there is no question only an understanding
Thank you! It's been a lot of time and brain frying to get to this point.
@@threeweekstowander What is Mitch social media?
@@jukebox6470 this is Mitch!
What frame rate are you filming in and what frame rate for the timeline?
Damn, you're an animal, editing with a track pad. haha, very nice vid! I'm not going for a BM anytime soon, but I love that they are so accessible now. It's really going to increase the amount of good videos out there.
Wow ! Amazed by the BM frame and build ! Is it 2808 motors ?
Yes 2808 1350KV
The 2808 1350kv is my favorite one, although at the minute i tend to use the 2810 1500kv version more
@@joelelhadj6993 with 4 motors configuration with 2808 motors which weight do I have for a pro camera ? 5/600gr ?
Hi, you have remove power switch. If you hit sth like tree branch you could lose power and drone. Next thing, you have to install gps then if you lose vision or control drone should go back alone
DOPE VIDEO ❤️🔥 Love the BM 🔥
great work. thank you.
Just use heavier 8000 mAh 6S2P Lion battery on the Gopro setup to get that "professional cinematic effect" and get double flight time as a bonus
Thanks for great video Danny. I think you should try new iflight drone Nazgul XL10 V6 :)
Clients often wants the big guns because it is „more professional“ and matches the cameras they use. But they often have no clue and couldn’t tell which camera you’re shooting with, unless they see it or you’ll tell them!
But to be honest, i am 100% sure, that if you show the footage of the gopro and the Black magic to a hundred different people and nobody knows which cameras and drones you are using, well over 90% would say that the go pro footage looks way better and if they should guess, they would for sure say that the gopro is the more professional footage/camera!
So in my opinion it’s absolutely not worth it! I am disappointed by the Black magic, but at the same time extremely impressed by the quality of this cheap little gopro!
No way is ur Chimera GoPro mount just stuck on haha. Get a TPU Mount and a TPU Case for the GoPro. Not only will it secure your GoPro better, but it will add some vibration dampening and protection.
I find the GoPro mount much easier to use. You can easily throw a camera on, and the sticky stuff works as vibration dampening
My takeaway here is this: you show the client expensive equipment, you justify charging clients higher rates. It's tough comparing the 2 videos fairly because the color grades are so different, with the GoPro looking slightly greener than normal, while the Black Magic looking way more magenta than normal. But once you show up on site with that naked BMPCC and cinelifter lite, it will be tough for the client to haggle.
If you use big screens, you will see the difference clearly. Blackmagic looks like a movie
Wow I think BM is beyond the fpv drone hobby ... vidiography or maybe cinematography and peoples wont noticed the differeneces vs GP that much when lookin to the result on youtube with their smartphone. However the BM 7inch build looks awesome.😮
This came out at the perfect time - been looking at the naked BMPCC lately 🔥
At 4:15 there's a random clip in there just to let you know :)
Black Magic clearly looks worse, it's out of focus or just blurry because vibration..?
On my end I definitely need to keep doing small tweaks to my setup to get it perfect.
@@Mcgeee I had the similar issues putting Sony ZV1 and A6600. There is something about bigger lens/sensor that makes this blur. As there is very little benefit in quality because FPV footage shot from very far and that negates benefit of a bigger sensor.
@@MrTechcatthat's actually because of ibis. Not anything against Sonys, but they aren't great for flying.
@@MrTechcatclearly Hollywood disagrees with that statement at the minute ( so do my clients)
@@joelelhadj6993 cuz you always need to put extra weights on Sony A7IV to look professional, little cage, rails, some barn doors. :D I guess, we need starting putting the same 3D printed fake cases on the GoPro to make it cinema quality now. :)
if u can colorgrade and controll your camera its a very good investment :)
4000$ 짜리 드론 멋지다 형제
Switch to davinci you'll have so much fun...
Do you have a video for someone looking at getting a drone, goggles and transmitter for someone disabled but knows how to fly a drone and get back into my graphics and photography with? I've been taking care of my grandmother for 13 years and at the end of July she went to her resting place from cancer as I was beside her. I need to get back into my graphics again and would like to start adding FPVs to my arsenal. Other than a plane ride, even in my dreams I can't fly. A friend bought 2 drones from a store going out of business and gave me one after I shattered my ankle. as I was flying one day it it went up about 50-60 feet and decided to run away. And with a shattered ankle recovering couldn't jump the fence to see where it went. Even walked the road it went straight down. I'd like a either RTR or build that will last awhile with good quality video. I've seen you like the DJI goggles V2 and the 03 avata transmitter. But the drone I would like good run time, something that can hold a decent size battery and range. Thank you for your advice in advance. I ride again and with a back pack can take a drone. Thank you again for you professional opinion. I got into Hobby grade RCs and now have 10 that I could sale all but 3 and start my FPV drone endeavor. So I would have about $2500 to start something. Thank you Danny.if you get the chance to respond. If not, thank you for taking time to read this. Love watching you work and the passion. I need that in my life now that my best friend (my grandmother) is gone. I need my mind to breath and leave this ball of dirt for awhile and get back to my graphic and photography roots.
Hey man. Sorry to hear about all that! Here's a video to my reccomended gear video though - th-cam.com/video/XTLDQXIZSnc/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=DannyMcgee
Jeeze I know its not realistic..... But Imagine a BlackMagic action camera.
Everything has its purpose, different tools in your toolbox
I find the GoPro footage is better
I like my mini 3
gyroflow better
Nice 🥰
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Honestly the GoPro footage looks much better
bro 24fps is not it for drone footage, it looks so stuttery
Go Pro Looks Way Way Better
How is this video viewed so less wtf
The GoPro look better to me
definitely not 4 x better.
Put a Gopro Hero 12 save money, thank me later
Wow! I love this $4000 drone. One crash later...
X8?....redundancy!
I see that you fly with Dji transmitter, you like to tempt fate!
4:15 clip ? Lmao