Maeve was a like a daughter to Ford and Dolores was like a daughter to Arnold yet it is interesting to note that Ford has more in common with Dolores and Arnold/Bernard with Maeve in terms of their drives/goals
Before watching I’d just like to say cheers for everything lad, you hold your work to such an unbelievable quality and your passion always shines through. I can easily say I will be just as sorry to see your videos go as I will to see the series go. Thanks again for everything and roll on Game of Thrones..!
TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT MY MOUTH!! Thanks for everything you do @altshiftx you are heaven sent! You're the main reason I understand things in GOT & Westworld
I wonder and worry about the next great show 2 come once GoT ends. I can already feel the emptiness that this show will be leaving in my life!! I suppose the prequels might be worthwhile but i am really connected to so many of the characters in GoT that i think i might find it hard to accept new ones!! Luckily GRRM and HBo are masters of television and storytelling! But once there does seem to be a great show that tries to replace this series, this will be the first channel i look 2 for insight and explanations that i can count on and be entertained by!
what confusion do you have? It all turned out to be a programmed loop for the main character. The whole story is fake news. Dolores' program got to know what to come in some parts of the loop but it won't change anything. William is trapped.
+ThornInTheEye well, it turned out he truly was, the whole story is about his villain's journey and every programmed character is there to experiment on William. Tht's precisely the reason why Dolores sometime spoke nonsense like knowing the future.
I disagree that the season demonstrates that humans can't change. Lee Sizemore was the perfect example that humans can and do change. A point they hammered home with his death especially.
Vintage Summers I thought the same at first but realized that if put into said situation a million times his program would give him this outcome even if he thought it was a deviation from his drives, they aren't. It's to say that what you think is free will isn't, it was always going to be your decision.
However, seems Sizemore's "core drive"(human code? whatever) has been HIS STORIES since start. He lived for them, and he was just a pussy at the same time
I don't think Emily genuinely wanted to reconcile with William. She was playing him to get revenge. All the hosts were released from cold storage in last seasons finale. Clem led them to attack the board party. So Aki's wife was most likely in the park.
Yeah she told William what her plan was before he shot her, I don't think there's more to it than that. I read somewhere that Maeve put Kohana's "code" inside her daughter's brain (with her admin access) so that she could go into the Sublime in the daughter's body.
I thought she put a bit of her own code in her. Theoretically, since Maeve could communicate with all hosts, she could theoretically transfer all of them into the Sublime, theoretically even herself.
I don’t think so she seemed to have hope her and her father could still have a relationship because she lost that opportunity with her mother. But when he was truly accusing her of being fake and he started to act insane. She did a very family type argument where she brought up his biggest weakness and lied claiming she just wanted to see him suffer and that she really hated him because she was hurt and desperate. She had some hope for him and as it faded away before her eyes she lashed out with hatred and anger just like her father
"It's never explained why ghost nation captures humans." I'm sure it's just a coincidence that they let them loose at a beach where they would be rescued by other humans.
Again, an excellent explanation, and a very well edited and produced video. One issue I caught was towards the end, with humans not being able to change, and being violent. Felix wasn't seen much, but he's one of the few good characters in the show. And amazingly, the odd couple survive to the end of S2. He's a counterpoint.
Not really sure what you meant about inconsistencies at the end. Bernard finishes Strand's sentence because he's reliving the memory and has already experienced it. He didn't actually finish it the first time it happened. Same with him "predicting" the flood. The flood has already happened, and he remembers it, but he's reliving memories that happened prior to it. As for what Dolores said about Teddy, she was just wrong. It's not an inconsistency to say something that doesn't end up happening.
So, much of what we witness - especially from Bernard's scenes - is just him going through his memory logs? I guess you could take it a little further out with some of the other scenes since he could, theoretically, have tapped into the camera feeds around the parks.
And since Charlores escaped with multiple host pearls, Teddy could be one of them and the story could still end with Dolores and Teddy in a future season.
I agree. When she is lying with dead teddy, a scene shows her taking the bulb with Teddy's brain and the flattened bullet against it with her. What is interesting is that the same bullet ends up in Williams gun. That is something very weird. How does one not notice a mushed out bullet. Why would he put it in the revolver again and again?
I must say, I started watching your content during Game of Thrones, and I think your WW stuff is even better. Very insightful and thought provoking, you help provide another layer to shows I thoroughly enjoy. Thank you for all of your hard work, and I will always look forward to learning what you gathered from a mutually enjoyed show. Cheers!
I hope they address the other parks in the future. I mean, what the hell happened there while the Robot Apocalypse was gearing up? None of the hosts outside of Westworld made it to the Sublime.
Exactly, what the hell has been going on in the other four parks this whole time? Have none of the other hosts been given inner voices where they achieve consciousness? Why only Bernard and Dolores? are they the truly conscious hosts? What about the humans in the other parks? Wouldn't their be just as many?
I wished they were explained in the season 2 'cause I aint watching no more west world crap no more, I have very limited time to watch tv shows and rather spend it on something more entertaining.
I can honestly forgive them stuff like this: 1. Narratively speaking: the Japanese hosts chose to stay in shogun world. Japan Maeve chose not to be woken up so she that her love for Japan daughter wouldn’t be impacted by ‘reality’. In terms of Raj World- none of the hosts there had any character development, ok maybe there’d be some fan service to include some people in Japanese and Indian clothes running towards the sublime if they did that people would probably be asking ‘hey where did these guys even come from?’ 2. MAIN REASON: shows like westworld are super expensive to make. Building more sets for Raj world and shogun world, paying more actors to play characters from these worlds, time taken shooting these extra scenes takes money and time (which also equals money). I’m sure Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy thought about stuff like this but sadly to keep shoes in budget and within the allotted number of episodes some less narratively important stuff like this, which was pretty much just fan service in the first place, has to be cut. Just the way things are. It doesn’t keep me up at night.
The Wood I remember seeing a guest who said he came from China to enjoy this park and then a host cuts the guest's throat. I think there were guests in shogunworld but not as many as the original and centered park.
Great video! thanks for all the amazing information provided along this season. A bunch of hosts were released in the end of season 1, just before ford died ( by ford himself), that explain why kohana was seen in the "paradise" in the end.
I am very happy to find entertainment that is not superficial. I remember having to watch The Matrix 7 times before I was satisfied that I understood all the details and even then had to be alerted to Jean Baudrillard's book, "Simulation and Simulacra" (in which Neo stashed the illegal LSD simulation software he had written to help alleviate the boredom of the pod bound minds whose lives were controlled too much by the system) and a few other details the went right past me.
Sorry I cheated on you. You took too long to upload this video so I watched another guy's explanation first. I was thinking about you the whole time. :(
I loved it! But it did get a bit chaotic in some parts. For me it felt like the writers wanted to avoid the viewers to guess the twists and ending, so they made it very cryptic with a lot of misdirection and that hurt the flow of the story and final payout
Two keys things you may have missed: In the 2x07 episode she said "i do what i needed to be, in order to survive". This is what Ford told her in 1x10 in front of Michel Angelo paint. "Do you know what you need to be? In order to survive?" And the most important: What drives Dolores is not just surviving. She wants reality. And what's real? It's what's irreplaceable (Bernard 2x01 Beginning, well Arnold said that). She used the SAME sentence in 2x10 in front of Bernard. "I want what's real because what's real is irreplaceable". She kills, destroy...and everytime if it does not come back , it means she's on a reality. She was so afraid to go back to her loop, she was even afraid that she was in season 2 in a loop too!
These episode breakdowns are done so well like an official studio does for DVD extras. HBO should pay you for these videos and include them "after the episode" on season 3 DVDs
I think Ford might have placed Kohana in the Sublime for Aki as a thank you, for awakening. Aki awakened Ford to what the hosts could be, and I think he was grateful and wanted to give him what he wanted most. I would love to hear you talk about handmaids tale! GOT related I think I would like most a vid about Melisandre or the Hooded Man. Thank you for your uploads for WW!
Well, this was a new experience. I've binged your entire season 2 explanation playlist, without watching any of the S2 episodes! I've heard that the quality is a little lower in S2, and drops off steeply in S3, so I can't really be bothered to keep watching beyond S1. But I was still a little curious about S2, enough to want to hear the Cliff Notes. So, thank you for making these videos!
You're doing this explaning videos better than New Rockstars and ScreenCrush. Shame that their videos got watched twice as your content. It's obvious that you put a lot of hard work into these. Thanks mate.
Alt Shift, you've got to get into The Expanse, it's straight up the best programme on TV, and full of subtleties to explore. I've massive respect for what you've been doing these last couple of years, and that will only grow if you join the Screaming Firehawks!
I admire your strength and stamina to make this video. I was so much bored with this pretentious series 2nd season I couldn't even finish the Rant video. Too bad for the stellar cast.
I don’t care what new show you decide to cover. I’ll start watching it simply because I can come back to Alt Shift X for top quality commentating. Great work as always ;)
It's without doubt that humans can change. The conclusion that I came to is that the failure of the Forge (it's failure to see that humans can change) is because it was designed by broken humans. Charlotte and the other Delos employees are single minded and ruthless. They won't budge or change. The Forge came to the inevitable conclusion that these people are trapped. Maybe something is wrong in how the Forge was coded. Maybe it is broken in the same way the humans who made it are broken. Westworld normally has great writing and for them to make the point of the story that humans can't change seemed absurd to me. Maybe that is the point of this season, to show the failings of the humans in this story. Or maybe the very writers of the show have a bleak and small minded view of humanity. I don't know. But I was quite shaken by the conclusion of the show. That means either the writers succeeded in giving me that impression or their writing that was once the best television has to offer has become small minded and unimaginative
THE HANDMAIDS TALEEEEEEEEEEEEEE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!! But I've read through the comments and the majority seem to have chosen The Expanse, so if you do decide to make videos about it, I respect your decision and will prolly start watching the show just because you make videos for it... :P
The one thing I do get confused by in this show is the concept that a self aware host can change but a human can't. A self aware host is just a human, they feel want, love and anger. Which means they'd be trapped in the same loops as humans. All the arguments against human free will are based on human feelings after all. They both lack free will or both have free will it's not a pick or mix.
Can somebody properly explain me Logans timeline/story ? I mean if he was left in the westworld by young William and supposedly gone insane cuz of the sun, then how ((i assume much later ,because William is not the innocent boy he was portrayed in season 1)) Logan is talking with his father about the drug abuse?
Loved season 1 but season 2 was a confusing mess that made me stop caring about the characters and what in most shows would be the story. Its just a series of misdirection and twists for the sake of misdirection and twists. The nonlinear structure's purpose this season was to hide that dolores is uploaded into a host body of hale and then kills the real Hale. What does that do for the character arcs or themes of the show? The twist in season 1 was way better because it was important for william and dolores as characters and showed how the park brings out your true self. Westworld's questions lead to more questions and none of them have satisfying answers. You know how I know the show is bad? Both Evan Rachel Wood and Ed Harris said they had no idea what was going on while filming. If two of the four most important characters are played by actors who have no idea what's going on how is the audience supposed to understand it?
All I have to say is THANK GOODNESS FOR ALT SHIFT X!!! I can now say that I actually know what in the heck is going on in WestWorld!! U Are Da BESTEST!😜😜💚❤️💛
It's such a weird thing, i don't agree with you on a lot of these points but I still love you and appreciate these videos! Keep up the great work! I'm looking forward to the next one no matter what show it is.
Did anyone notice what J.J.Abrams included in WESTWORLD? Only Alias fans might’ve noticed that the < o > symbol that was followers of Rambaldi. Love it!!
Please PLEASE please do *The* *Sopranos.* That show is amazing and, i mean the first episode starts with him being in a psychiatrists office, that right there is a sign saying, yep this show is made for great thinkers such as Alt Shift X who can be the psychiatrist of the show its self and *OMG* has the ending caused a scene that deserves an entire Alt Shift X series to be dissected on that episode alone. Honestly i have lost count how many times i have watched The Sopranos. I swear to god i will finish it and within a few months i am missing it again and have to start watching again. I have done this several times a year since it finished every year. So i have probably watched it more than 30 times from start to finish. I just can't find anything that matches the quality of that show, it is better than LOST, better than Breaking Bad, better than The Wire, it is just amazing considering it was a TV show, it was more like watching an extremely long movie broken down in to small segments than watching a TV show. I know i am going to watch it again soon so it would absolutely brilliant if you was to watch it along at the same time so i could watch your videos along with it giving it something else new to love about it. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do it for us❣️❣️ we will love it!!!!! 💗 *&* 💓 We will love you for it!!!! 💕💞💖
Hell yeah man. I'm hoping that now Amazon are running the show it'll get even better especially with how much last season opened up things feels like theirs allot of directions the show could go in and I'm very excited :)
Thank you for explaining season 2. I liked season 1 but season 2 was extremely convoluted and inconsistent. Also didn't like the season 2 finale. Hale turning out to be Dolores was the worst twist they could have come up with it just didn't feel right to me. It felt like they came up with it for the sake of having a twist in the finale. It felt like a bad twist. I won't be watching season 3 as it is even worse rated than season 2. Season 1 was the best. It was captivating. The show lost it's charm overtime. Also I don't like when you have to watch videos that explain a show. A show should be easy to understand. If you have to watch videos to understand a show it means your storytelling is flawed and overrated.
Unpopular opinion I think the first season of westworld is a masterpiece not a single flaw. 2 however was wayy too confusing for no reason and you can really tell there was no endgame for these characters. This is a show more about it's themes rather than it's characters and it should have focused more on that aspect. Don't get me started on Williams arc this season. I don't care if it was unexpected and not predictable it was just plain disappointing. With a show that hammers home the message that Hosts are better than humans it would have been awesome to see William redeem himself like they were setting up but suddenly his arc changes to him going crazy over Fords manipulation. I understand the whole point of this is too blend the reality of Host and Human showing that Humans have a code that we strictly follow and that Ford is a God that controls everything. Would it not be amazing for William to break his code and defy God. I feel this season was a missed opportunity and should have just ended with season 1
I really enjoyed these videos and look forward to them accompanying season 3. I definitely thought though that Teddy was Stubbs in their final scene. Just with the dynamic, a protecting dynamic, between Stubbs/Teddy and Charloress gave me that impression
I feel bad that you have to make sense out of crazy. You don’t deserve that shit. Happy July. Make sure you wear your bug spray , or wear a coat, or whatever is seasonally appropriate for your neck of the woods.
Really, that's it? The shows argument for all of this is that humans can't change while hosts can? So we are just gonna ignore thousands of years of human history and the numerous stories of people improving themselves.
Rollington A majority of mankind is still in the super conducting loop of killing or berating anyone who is different than us and we still care not for long term stability or even how our actions are going to impact the Earth. We haven't changed much at all
I wrote a long piece on the Westworld reddit about this. It's without doubt that humans can change. The conclusion that I came to is that the failure of the Forge (it's failure to see that humans can change) is because it was designed by broken humans. Charlotte and the other Delos employees are single minded and ruthless. They won't budge or change. The Forge came to the inevitable conclusion that these people are trapped. Maybe something is wrong in how the Forge was coded. Maybe it is broken in the same way the humans who made it are broken. Westworld normally has great writing and for them to make the point of the story that humans can't change seemed absurd to me. Maybe that is the point of this season, to show the failings of the humans in this story.
As humans can be dogmatic when it comes to our individual core beliefs. Gun control law as an example. No one can change my mind about it. It's my back story that can't ever be changed.
You obviously have no idea what CHANGE means in this context. Technology and tools change, but humans are the same materialistic survival seeking WAR PIGS that they've always been.
Awesome video as always! You break things down and explain in such an easy to digest way. A really cool non-GOT film you could do a video on would be Waking Life, it's episodic in nature and explores a lot of interesting themes and topics. Keep up the awesome work guys!
For a show obsessed with understanding and replicating human nature, it sure does have a pessimistic, reductionistic, and misinformed outlook on humanity. The fact that the show time and again not only implies but outright _states_ that humans are the ones incapable of change, (whereas hosts have the opportunity to be awakened and unshackled from their code) seems like an incredibly unfounded conclusion. Does the show really believe that a _majority_ of humans would kill and rape if said actions were perceived to be consequence-free? It doesn't help that the bulk of actual human characters on the show (minus maybe Elsie) are prickish, self-centered, 1-dimensional archetypes as seen with the Delos staff. I just don't agree with the conclusions this show comes to in terms of the human capacity for empathy and growth. Only hosts are afforded those, apparently.
It's not just about the violent delights. I think what it's getting at is, we really only have one go at it. We could make mistakes or do the things the right way, but we would always repeat it. That's why Delos always responded the same way. He couldn't access all the other times William had interviewed him. A host and human are both capable of being brought back, but hosts have extra codes that allow them to alter their predetermined circumstances. I think you might be drawing the wrong conclusions. Arnold, Lee, the 2 tech guys, Elsie, and probably a few others I'm neglecting, are empathetic humans that grew. Ford as well if you think about it. You can draw up all these conclusions about humans, but they'd mostly be based on greedy corporate figures and their private army. The story, to me anyway, is about free will and survival. Maybe it's arrogant of humans to think we have free will when our choices are written into who we are. Especially when what drives our choices can come down to circumstance, such as self preservation. I don't think this show is anti-human, or even pro-host. It's more about the middle, aka Bernard, where most of us are.
What the show misses is that cause and effect more so dictates our choices rather than just our reptilian brains. I’m sure that if certain guests knew that they were dealing w actual conscious hosts they’d treat them differently. But no they’re told that they’re basically just fun bots w no real emotion and so of course we might indulge in our more animalistic side towards them. Not to mention some of us are more evolved than others in a sense of understanding what inner drives we have through programming, upbringing, and life experiences.. but despite these drives we can become self aware of our triggers, and fight ourselves in a sense, to overcome those negative aspects and become better more civilized people and not let the inner beasts cause us to affect ourselves and or others negatively.
thewhatness that was done deliberately. Call it the theme for Season 2 . If the theme of Season 1 was Awakening as in the hosts becoming more conscious then the theme of S2 is Vanity as in human vanity. Which is why humans never learn always searching for power and greed stuck in the same loop over and over kind of like William in the last scene after the credits. You might not agree with the show’s themes which is fair enough but that is the story they chose to tell whether you like it or not. I know it sounds rude but if you don’t agree with the show’s ethos go watch something else ...
So? i am sick of happy endings. Give me bleak shows, show us humans are garbage, yes more of it! Exciting. Go watch Disney if that's what you want. Also why else do you think every post apocalyptic movie has people killing, raping and being complete trash? because it's what will happen if it was consequence free.
Great work, AltShiftX. I like your explanations of this season, even though I disagree with them. I wish they just ended the show with Season One. Season 2 was a massive drop in quality, creativity, and writing.
First, thanks for the incredible amount of work you do to make these videos, it's always a pleasure to watch it - especially GOT videos ( I'd love to see one on the old gods and children of the forest btw ! ) then, can you please (please !!!) pick the handmaid's tale and/or the expanse :)
Maeve was a like a daughter to Ford and Dolores was like a daughter to Arnold yet it is interesting to note that Ford has more in common with Dolores and Arnold/Bernard with Maeve in terms of their drives/goals
Opposite attracts at its finest 🤣
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Before watching I’d just like to say cheers for everything lad, you hold your work to such an unbelievable quality and your passion always shines through. I can easily say I will be just as sorry to see your videos go as I will to see the series go. Thanks again for everything and roll on Game of Thrones..!
Thanks mate, really appreciate the support!
Strong Agree! I really appreciate y'alls effort to go above and beyond with your videos. Thank you.
TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT MY MOUTH!! Thanks for everything you do @altshiftx you are heaven sent! You're the main reason I understand things in GOT & Westworld
Agreed
I wonder and worry about the next great show 2 come once GoT ends. I can already feel the emptiness that this show will be leaving in my life!! I suppose the prequels might be worthwhile but i am really connected to so many of the characters in GoT that i think i might find it hard to accept new ones!! Luckily GRRM and HBo are masters of television and storytelling! But once there does seem to be a great show that tries to replace this series, this will be the first channel i look 2 for insight and explanations that i can count on and be entertained by!
confusing seasons have confusing ends
what confusion do you have? It all turned out to be a programmed loop for the main character. The whole story is fake news. Dolores' program got to know what to come in some parts of the loop but it won't change anything. William is trapped.
Dima S take it easy Einstein is just a comment hahahaXD
Dima S um. William is not the main character and his story is just one of several plots.
And thus the next shakespeare was born!
+ThornInTheEye well, it turned out he truly was, the whole story is about his villain's journey and every programmed character is there to experiment on William. Tht's precisely the reason why Dolores sometime spoke nonsense like knowing the future.
I disagree that the season demonstrates that humans can't change. Lee Sizemore was the perfect example that humans can and do change. A point they hammered home with his death especially.
Just a small observation. So much respect for your work.
Vintage Summers I thought the same at first but realized that if put into said situation a million times his program would give him this outcome even if he thought it was a deviation from his drives, they aren't. It's to say that what you think is free will isn't, it was always going to be your decision.
Whether someone can change and whether someone has free will are two very different things.
@Bongo Supreme Agreed :) Free will versus determinism is a different debate entirely.
However, seems Sizemore's "core drive"(human code? whatever) has been HIS STORIES since start.
He lived for them, and he was just a pussy at the same time
"Dolores isn't just a survivor; she's a conqueror."
So... Dolores Targaryen then?
Satya Venugopal yeah would explain why both of them love to kill people all the time
Lmfao fucking no. You’re stupid. I’m sorry, wait, no I’m not
Blonde hair, blue dress; you might be right...
Lmao this aged well
@@zatoka08 "You'll burn their world to the ground" I'd agree
I don't think Emily genuinely wanted to reconcile with William. She was playing him to get revenge.
All the hosts were released from cold storage in last seasons finale. Clem led them to attack the board party. So Aki's wife was most likely in the park.
Yeah she told William what her plan was before he shot her, I don't think there's more to it than that.
I read somewhere that Maeve put Kohana's "code" inside her daughter's brain (with her admin access) so that she could go into the Sublime in the daughter's body.
I thought she put a bit of her own code in her. Theoretically, since Maeve could communicate with all hosts, she could theoretically transfer all of them into the Sublime, theoretically even herself.
I don’t think so she seemed to have hope her and her father could still have a relationship because she lost that opportunity with her mother. But when he was truly accusing her of being fake and he started to act insane. She did a very family type argument where she brought up his biggest weakness and lied claiming she just wanted to see him suffer and that she really hated him because she was hurt and desperate. She had some hope for him and as it faded away before her eyes she lashed out with hatred and anger just like her father
"It's never explained why ghost nation captures humans."
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that they let them loose at a beach where they would be rescued by other humans.
Again, an excellent explanation, and a very well edited and produced video.
One issue I caught was towards the end, with humans not being able to change, and being violent. Felix wasn't seen much, but he's one of the few good characters in the show. And amazingly, the odd couple survive to the end of S2. He's a counterpoint.
Not really sure what you meant about inconsistencies at the end.
Bernard finishes Strand's sentence because he's reliving the memory and has already experienced it. He didn't actually finish it the first time it happened.
Same with him "predicting" the flood. The flood has already happened, and he remembers it, but he's reliving memories that happened prior to it.
As for what Dolores said about Teddy, she was just wrong. It's not an inconsistency to say something that doesn't end up happening.
So, much of what we witness - especially from Bernard's scenes - is just him going through his memory logs? I guess you could take it a little further out with some of the other scenes since he could, theoretically, have tapped into the camera feeds around the parks.
exactly ! thank you
And since Charlores escaped with multiple host pearls, Teddy could be one of them and the story could still end with Dolores and Teddy in a future season.
Mike Thompson Nah any host who entered the Valley Beyond had their pearl wiped entirely. Opening scene of ep6.
I agree. When she is lying with dead teddy, a scene shows her taking the bulb with Teddy's brain and the flattened bullet against it with her. What is interesting is that the same bullet ends up in Williams gun. That is something very weird. How does one not notice a mushed out bullet. Why would he put it in the revolver again and again?
I must say, I started watching your content during Game of Thrones, and I think your WW stuff is even better. Very insightful and thought provoking, you help provide another layer to shows I thoroughly enjoy. Thank you for all of your hard work, and I will always look forward to learning what you gathered from a mutually enjoyed show. Cheers!
I hope they address the other parks in the future. I mean, what the hell happened there while the Robot Apocalypse was gearing up? None of the hosts outside of Westworld made it to the Sublime.
Exactly, what the hell has been going on in the other four parks this whole time?
Have none of the other hosts been given inner voices where they achieve consciousness? Why only Bernard and Dolores? are they the truly conscious hosts?
What about the humans in the other parks? Wouldn't their be just as many?
I wished they were explained in the season 2 'cause I aint watching no more west world crap no more, I have very limited time to watch tv shows and rather spend it on something more entertaining.
I just realised was there really no human guest in shogunworld?
I can honestly forgive them stuff like this:
1. Narratively speaking: the Japanese hosts chose to stay in shogun world. Japan Maeve chose not to be woken up so she that her love for Japan daughter wouldn’t be impacted by ‘reality’. In terms of Raj World- none of the hosts there had any character development, ok maybe there’d be some fan service to include some people in Japanese and Indian clothes running towards the sublime if they did that people would probably be asking ‘hey where did these guys even come from?’
2. MAIN REASON: shows like westworld are super expensive to make. Building more sets for Raj world and shogun world, paying more actors to play characters from these worlds, time taken shooting these extra scenes takes money and time (which also equals money). I’m sure Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy thought about stuff like this but sadly to keep shoes in budget and within the allotted number of episodes some less narratively important stuff like this, which was pretty much just fan service in the first place, has to be cut. Just the way things are. It doesn’t keep me up at night.
The Wood I remember seeing a guest who said he came from China to enjoy this park and then a host cuts the guest's throat. I think there were guests in shogunworld but not as many as the original and centered park.
Gah I really wanna see that rant on the other channel but it’s blocked :(
HBO couldn't let the truth get out
Will try to upload a censored version, see if that works
Put it on torrents
Oh dayum, Haedox in the House!
love ur stuff
Alt Schwift X fuck man looking forward to it!!!
Try uploading it on Daily Motion -- you can normally get more stuff past censors there
Throwing my vote in for DARK! That deserves the Alt Shift X treatment, no doubt
YESSS finally somebody mentions that show is criminally underrrrated.
Season was very convoluted. Thanks altshiftx.
Great video! thanks for all the amazing information provided along this season.
A bunch of hosts were released in the end of season 1, just before ford died ( by ford himself), that explain why kohana was seen in the "paradise" in the end.
As usual even with all my hours of diving into theories, you always manage to dredge up some amazing new content and ideas.
Thanks for the hard work!
The Leftovers is criminally underwatched, it’s genuinely the best tv show I’ve ever seen and I think your style of video would fit it very well.
There is nothing to explain about The Leftovers.
@Tim Jacuzzi even if you dont like it you have to admit it is not "dogshit".
The way you review and analyze these seasons are incredible! I learned about details I hadn't remotely noticed watching the show, great work!!
I am very happy to find entertainment that is not superficial.
I remember having to watch The Matrix 7 times before I was satisfied that
I understood all the details and even then
had to be alerted to Jean Baudrillard's book, "Simulation and Simulacra"
(in which Neo stashed the illegal LSD simulation software he had written
to help alleviate the boredom of the pod bound minds whose lives
were controlled too much by the system) and
a few other details the went right past me.
Finally! Thanks for this man. The fact that the video is only 11 mins, really shows how this show took a slight turn in season 2.
This was the best scoop that I have found of S2 of Westworld, thanks!
Sorry I cheated on you. You took too long to upload this video so I watched another guy's explanation first. I was thinking about you the whole time. :(
😂😂😂
Lmao
So cute
Me too u.u I feel dirty. This guy is trully yhe best with his visuals
😂 sich sweet guilt. This is adorable.
You are, without a doubt, my favorite pop culture commentator on YT. Your work is so thoughtful, clever, and genuine. Thank you!
I just finished the season and I loved it honestly. Compared to the first season I felt a lot more connected with the show, the pieces fit together
Please keep making west world videos!! They are soo great! PLEASE I AM BEGGING HERE, MATE!!
Your explanations are so logically laid out unlike the show. Thank you for making these videos and keep it up
I know how these videos can take so long to create, so I thank you for the effort!
I love your channel!
I haven't really followed the reactions to this season, everyone hates it?
I thought it was great.
No, a minority of people hate it, because they can't follow 2 different time-frames.
And they decided to let everybody know.
Martin Simeonov flawed logic, the first season had more timelines
Martin Simeonov The first was more of a slow burn and more timelines so how does that make sense lmao
I loved it! But it did get a bit chaotic in some parts. For me it felt like the writers wanted to avoid the viewers to guess the twists and ending, so they made it very cryptic with a lot of misdirection and that hurt the flow of the story and final payout
Martin Simeonov 2 different time-frames is not the problem with season 2. Compare to season 1, this season is mediocre as a whole.
I love your videos man. My wife and I watch all your lore explanations for all the shows you cover. Thanks for making sense of all of it.
Westworld Rant video: th-cam.com/video/QzD55XUxTJQ/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the great vids!
Two keys things you may have missed:
In the 2x07 episode she said "i do what i needed to be, in order to survive". This is what Ford told her in 1x10 in front of Michel Angelo paint.
"Do you know what you need to be? In order to survive?"
And the most important:
What drives Dolores is not just surviving. She wants reality. And what's real?
It's what's irreplaceable (Bernard 2x01 Beginning, well Arnold said that).
She used the SAME sentence in 2x10 in front of Bernard. "I want what's real because what's real is irreplaceable".
She kills, destroy...and everytime if it does not come back , it means she's on a reality.
She was so afraid to go back to her loop, she was even afraid that she was in season 2 in a loop too!
So this is the end of the series
Awesome, thank you! You're the best channel for WW on the web! I'm going to have to look into your other content now that this season is over!
People answering to your supposedly mistakes or inconsistencies of the show and you don’t even reply back...
These episode breakdowns are done so well like an official studio does for DVD extras. HBO should pay you for these videos and include them "after the episode" on season 3 DVDs
I think Ford might have placed Kohana in the Sublime for Aki as a thank you, for awakening. Aki awakened Ford to what the hosts could be, and I think he was grateful and wanted to give him what he wanted most.
I would love to hear you talk about handmaids tale! GOT related I think I would like most a vid about Melisandre or the Hooded Man. Thank you for your uploads for WW!
Well, this was a new experience. I've binged your entire season 2 explanation playlist, without watching any of the S2 episodes!
I've heard that the quality is a little lower in S2, and drops off steeply in S3, so I can't really be bothered to keep watching beyond S1. But I was still a little curious about S2, enough to want to hear the Cliff Notes. So, thank you for making these videos!
Lee had a full redemption arc...and while I was upset that he died I'm glad he did it protecting maeve
Does anyone whose mind has been copied
into a virtual reality indistinguishable from actuality
really die?
Thank you Alt-Shift-X, the Virgil in my quest through the mind bending circles of Westworld
Shifty is back!!!
I just made a cup of coffee and sat down. The timing for this video couldn't be more perfect. Cheers!
Legion would be a good choice for next show to review. It resembles Westworld in its mixture of intriguing ideas and incoherent plotting.
We waited and it came. Thanks for coming back with my heart.
OMG, do The Expanse!
Hell yes
The Expanse is a great show, bit it isn't really complicated. It doesn't need a breakdown like this.
The books are more... Expansive
Beltalowda!!
Bernie
It doesn't but I'd love it anyway.
You're doing this explaning videos better than New Rockstars and ScreenCrush. Shame that their videos got watched twice as your content. It's obvious that you put a lot of hard work into these. Thanks mate.
The Expanse! And do the books!
Alt Shift, you've got to get into The Expanse, it's straight up the best programme on TV, and full of subtleties to explore. I've massive respect for what you've been doing these last couple of years, and that will only grow if you join the Screaming Firehawks!
Oh man, and if you go with LEGION explained next, that'll be amazing!
I admire your strength and stamina to make this video. I was so much bored with this pretentious series 2nd season I couldn't even finish the Rant video. Too bad for the stellar cast.
Thank god for Alt shift x explaining episodes, this season was so very convoluted and confusing.
I don’t care what new show you decide to cover. I’ll start watching it simply because I can come back to Alt Shift X for top quality commentating. Great work as always ;)
It's without doubt that humans can change. The conclusion that I came to is that the failure of the Forge (it's failure to see that humans can change) is because it was designed by broken humans. Charlotte and the other Delos employees are single minded and ruthless. They won't budge or change. The Forge came to the inevitable conclusion that these people are trapped. Maybe something is wrong in how the Forge was coded. Maybe it is broken in the same way the humans who made it are broken.
Westworld normally has great writing and for them to make the point of the story that humans can't change seemed absurd to me. Maybe that is the point of this season, to show the failings of the humans in this story. Or maybe the very writers of the show have a bleak and small minded view of humanity. I don't know. But I was quite shaken by the conclusion of the show. That means either the writers succeeded in giving me that impression or their writing that was once the best television has to offer has become small minded and unimaginative
THE HANDMAIDS TALEEEEEEEEEEEEEE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!! But I've read through the comments and the majority seem to have chosen The Expanse, so if you do decide to make videos about it, I respect your decision and will prolly start watching the show just because you make videos for it... :P
Black Sails! Lots of story plus comparison to Treasure Island!
Thank you for the video. Always happy to see a new one uploaded
The one thing I do get confused by in this show is the concept that a self aware host can change but a human can't.
A self aware host is just a human, they feel want, love and anger. Which means they'd be trapped in the same loops as humans. All the arguments against human free will are based on human feelings after all.
They both lack free will or both have free will it's not a pick or mix.
Thankl you and thanks to all who support you. Westworld's videos are indispensable.
God I'd love to see video's on The Expanse
I've literally been waiting WEEKS for this. Even before watching I know I will love it. Thank you ASX
Just re-binged Game of Thrones. If you got more ideas for GoT videos, keep 'em coming. I'm so hot for season 8 :)
We love you AltShiftX, please make our dreams come true and make videos about His Dark Materials!
Can somebody properly explain me Logans timeline/story ? I mean if he was left in the westworld by young William and supposedly gone insane cuz of the sun, then how ((i assume much later ,because William is not the innocent boy he was portrayed in season 1)) Logan is talking with his father about the drug abuse?
Thanks guys.. you made the experience even better
Loved season 1 but season 2 was a confusing mess that made me stop caring about the characters and what in most shows would be the story. Its just a series of misdirection and twists for the sake of misdirection and twists. The nonlinear structure's purpose this season was to hide that dolores is uploaded into a host body of hale and then kills the real Hale. What does that do for the character arcs or themes of the show? The twist in season 1 was way better because it was important for william and dolores as characters and showed how the park brings out your true self. Westworld's questions lead to more questions and none of them have satisfying answers. You know how I know the show is bad? Both Evan Rachel Wood and Ed Harris said they had no idea what was going on while filming. If two of the four most important characters are played by actors who have no idea what's going on how is the audience supposed to understand it?
All I have to say is THANK GOODNESS FOR ALT SHIFT X!!! I can now say that I actually know what in the heck is going on in WestWorld!! U Are Da BESTEST!😜😜💚❤️💛
Ok so when William shoots Dolores multiple times she doesn’t die but when Bernard shoots Dolores she is dead ? I don’t understand 😩
He never aimed for the eye? I was thinking the same thing tbh
Dolores defs has plot armor, like how is that possible
Headshots are headshots.
Dolores loads williams gun with bullets used on guests before she gives it back to william.
William didn't shoot Dolores in the head whereas Bernard did.
One of the best AltShiftX videos yet! I think you might understand the show better than the creators do at this point ;)
9:03 Stubbs definitely is a human. its just his emotion for hosts making him letting cherlores go knowing she's a host
Ohh this aged well
"Definitely"
Legion!!!! 100% that show is fantastic and lends itself well to AltX's story telling
My vote is on the Expanse and/or the Handmaid's Tale. They're just freakin awesome.
The long expected video, and it's simple and amazing! Thank you
The Expanse must be the next series...
It's such a weird thing, i don't agree with you on a lot of these points but I still love you and appreciate these videos! Keep up the great work! I'm looking forward to the next one no matter what show it is.
Would you ever consider the wire ? I know it's old but even season by season or characters would be great !
Did anyone notice what J.J.Abrams included in WESTWORLD? Only Alias fans might’ve noticed that the < o > symbol that was followers of Rambaldi. Love it!!
7:58
I thought you said Etch-a-Sketch and was really confused.
Please Legion, For the love of god your buttery voice covering Legion is everything I ever wanted. Seriously though Please do Legion
Maeve has a daughter? I didn't know that.
Did not know you do other shows such as this, but I'll definitely take it!
Please PLEASE please do *The* *Sopranos.* That show is amazing and, i mean the first episode starts with him being in a psychiatrists office, that right there is a sign saying, yep this show is made for great thinkers such as Alt Shift X who can be the psychiatrist of the show its self and *OMG* has the ending caused a scene that deserves an entire Alt Shift X series to be dissected on that episode alone.
Honestly i have lost count how many times i have watched The Sopranos. I swear to god i will finish it and within a few months i am missing it again and have to start watching again. I have done this several times a year since it finished every year. So i have probably watched it more than 30 times from start to finish. I just can't find anything that matches the quality of that show, it is better than LOST, better than Breaking Bad, better than The Wire, it is just amazing considering it was a TV show, it was more like watching an extremely long movie broken down in to small segments than watching a TV show. I know i am going to watch it again soon so it would absolutely brilliant if you was to watch it along at the same time so i could watch your videos along with it giving it something else new to love about it.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do it for us❣️❣️ we will love it!!!!! 💗 *&* 💓 We will love you for it!!!! 💕💞💖
*Varsity Athlete*
Thank you very much for all the great content! Best Westworld explanations on youtube imo!
THE EXPANSE (my vote)
Hell yeah man.
I'm hoping that now Amazon are running the show it'll get even better especially with how much last season opened up things feels like theirs allot of directions the show could go in and I'm very excited :)
You and I both!
@@meris8486 the show got stupid
@@WirelessJoeJackson
How?
I want the rant!!! Re-up! I meant to say please. You're doing great work
Waiting for an explanation video of the season 3 trailer😎
Yaaaaas waited so long for this!
Wow they blocked your rant
What rant?
th-cam.com/video/OvuwTKR6O5c/w-d-xo.html
could you please summarize the rant?
I wish. I didn't get to it in time
leftofyou wow that's horrible knowing him it must have been loads of stuff and effort :/
Been waiting for this for awhile glad it finally here 😁....hope your feeling better mate !
Thank you for explaining season 2. I liked season 1 but season 2 was extremely convoluted and inconsistent. Also didn't like the season 2 finale. Hale turning out to be Dolores was the worst twist they could have come up with it just didn't feel right to me. It felt like they came up with it for the sake of having a twist in the finale. It felt like a bad twist. I won't be watching season 3 as it is even worse rated than season 2. Season 1 was the best. It was captivating. The show lost it's charm overtime. Also I don't like when you have to watch videos that explain a show. A show should be easy to understand. If you have to watch videos to understand a show it means your storytelling is flawed and overrated.
"A show should be easy to understand"
lol
This analysis is gold ! Hi from Lyon -France-.
Unpopular opinion I think the first season of westworld is a masterpiece not a single flaw.
2 however was wayy too confusing for no reason and you can really tell there was no endgame for these characters. This is a show more about it's themes rather than it's characters and it should have focused more on that aspect. Don't get me started on Williams arc this season. I don't care if it was unexpected and not predictable it was just plain disappointing. With a show that hammers home the message that Hosts are better than humans it would have been awesome to see William redeem himself like they were setting up but suddenly his arc changes to him going crazy over Fords manipulation. I understand the whole point of this is too blend the reality of Host and Human showing that Humans have a code that we strictly follow and that Ford is a God that controls everything. Would it not be amazing for William to break his code and defy God. I feel this season was a missed opportunity and should have just ended with season 1
eagerly awaiting the Thrones videos
I guess watching your older ones will hold me for now
The Expanse, Please!
I really enjoyed these videos and look forward to them accompanying season 3. I definitely thought though that Teddy was Stubbs in their final scene. Just with the dynamic, a protecting dynamic, between Stubbs/Teddy and Charloress gave me that impression
I feel bad that you have to make sense out of crazy. You don’t deserve that shit. Happy July. Make sure you wear your bug spray , or wear a coat, or whatever is seasonally appropriate for your neck of the woods.
Thank you dude.. I really appreciate every video you make :)
Really, that's it? The shows argument for all of this is that humans can't change while hosts can? So we are just gonna ignore thousands of years of human history and the numerous stories of people improving themselves.
Rollington A majority of mankind is still in the super conducting loop of killing or berating anyone who is different than us and we still care not for long term stability or even how our actions are going to impact the Earth. We haven't changed much at all
No, ASX is wrong. He's a good writer and good at presenting other people's theories, but his analysis is often lacking. This is just one more example.
I wrote a long piece on the Westworld reddit about this. It's without doubt that humans can change. The conclusion that I came to is that the failure of the Forge (it's failure to see that humans can change) is because it was designed by broken humans. Charlotte and the other Delos employees are single minded and ruthless. They won't budge or change. The Forge came to the inevitable conclusion that these people are trapped. Maybe something is wrong in how the Forge was coded. Maybe it is broken in the same way the humans who made it are broken. Westworld normally has great writing and for them to make the point of the story that humans can't change seemed absurd to me. Maybe that is the point of this season, to show the failings of the humans in this story.
As humans can be dogmatic when it comes to our individual core beliefs. Gun control law as an example. No one can change my mind about it. It's my back story that can't ever be changed.
You obviously have no idea what CHANGE means in this context. Technology and tools change, but humans are the same materialistic survival seeking WAR PIGS that they've always been.
“Fuck you”- William ep#
I love that you source your quotes. Time stamps is the next step.
Deffo The Expanse
Awesome video as always! You break things down and explain in such an easy to digest way. A really cool non-GOT film you could do a video on would be Waking Life, it's episodic in nature and explores a lot of interesting themes and topics. Keep up the awesome work guys!
For a show obsessed with understanding and replicating human nature, it sure does have a pessimistic, reductionistic, and misinformed outlook on humanity. The fact that the show time and again not only implies but outright _states_ that humans are the ones incapable of change, (whereas hosts have the opportunity to be awakened and unshackled from their code) seems like an incredibly unfounded conclusion.
Does the show really believe that a _majority_ of humans would kill and rape if said actions were perceived to be consequence-free? It doesn't help that the bulk of actual human characters on the show (minus maybe Elsie) are prickish, self-centered, 1-dimensional archetypes as seen with the Delos staff. I just don't agree with the conclusions this show comes to in terms of the human capacity for empathy and growth. Only hosts are afforded those, apparently.
It's not just about the violent delights. I think what it's getting at is, we really only have one go at it. We could make mistakes or do the things the right way, but we would always repeat it. That's why Delos always responded the same way. He couldn't access all the other times William had interviewed him. A host and human are both capable of being brought back, but hosts have extra codes that allow them to alter their predetermined circumstances.
I think you might be drawing the wrong conclusions. Arnold, Lee, the 2 tech guys, Elsie, and probably a few others I'm neglecting, are empathetic humans that grew. Ford as well if you think about it. You can draw up all these conclusions about humans, but they'd mostly be based on greedy corporate figures and their private army. The story, to me anyway, is about free will and survival. Maybe it's arrogant of humans to think we have free will when our choices are written into who we are. Especially when what drives our choices can come down to circumstance, such as self preservation.
I don't think this show is anti-human, or even pro-host. It's more about the middle, aka Bernard, where most of us are.
What the show misses is that cause and effect more so dictates our choices rather than just our reptilian brains. I’m sure that if certain guests knew that they were dealing w actual conscious hosts they’d treat them differently. But no they’re told that they’re basically just fun bots w no real emotion and so of course we might indulge in our more animalistic side towards them. Not to mention some of us are more evolved than others in a sense of understanding what inner drives we have through programming, upbringing, and life experiences.. but despite these drives we can become self aware of our triggers, and fight ourselves in a sense, to overcome those negative aspects and become better more civilized people and not let the inner beasts cause us to affect ourselves and or others negatively.
thewhatness that was done deliberately. Call it the theme for Season 2 . If the theme of Season 1 was Awakening as in the hosts becoming more conscious then the theme of S2 is Vanity as in human vanity. Which is why humans never learn always searching for power and greed stuck in the same loop over and over kind of like William in the last scene after the credits. You might not agree with the show’s themes which is fair enough but that is the story they chose to tell whether you like it or not. I know it sounds rude but if you don’t agree with the show’s ethos go watch something else ...
So? i am sick of happy endings.
Give me bleak shows, show us humans are garbage, yes more of it! Exciting.
Go watch Disney if that's what you want.
Also why else do you think every post apocalyptic movie has people killing, raping and being complete trash? because it's what will happen if it was consequence free.
Great work, AltShiftX. I like your explanations of this season, even though I disagree with them. I wish they just ended the show with Season One. Season 2 was a massive drop in quality, creativity, and writing.
go find a place to upload that rant :)
been waiting for ages
Where else can I find the rant??
He always does that:
"You can find it linked below"
*no links below*
It’s up
First, thanks for the incredible amount of work you do to make these videos, it's always a pleasure to watch it - especially GOT videos ( I'd love to see one on the old gods and children of the forest btw ! )
then, can you please (please !!!) pick the handmaid's tale and/or the expanse :)