That's just because the show is vacuous and heavy handed like most HBO dreck. Completely misses the point of Crichton's work in order to glom on to a known brand property and show boobies. Removes all the agency of Emergent behavior in complex systems behind yet another tired drawn out morality play. Unless the ultimate finale is EVERYONE is a robot, and this westworld is simply an extension of the original old Westworld where the system eventually replaced humanity and doesn't even remember it did, or that the Guests and park employees are just another layer of complexity being played out like a demo mode, this is just more big budget Fantasy T&A nonsense like GoT.
Little Miss Dysthymia No I got it. I know the "Hosts can't see what they shouldn't" gag. That paid off yet or just another stupid trapping of the shitty narrative?
One last thing I noticed: the final scene has somewhat of a 'judgement day'-feel to it: the lord (ford) coming to earth to the human sinners (the guests) the 'dead' rising from their graves (all of the hosts awaking), and justice in the form of murder, for these violent delights... Have violent ends...
The question is: Is the Reason why they murder the hosts in the game, because they have no feelings or because there is no punishment. I bet the are a lot of people in the real world that dont kill, not because of ethic reasons, but because they fear the punishment.
sure there are people who basically fear social judgment and punishment, but you are talking about the guests murdering the hosts? i honestly think that the majority of them just simply don't see them as human, because that's what they are told, and what they want to believe. it's just a game. i mean, when i play a game and kill people, does that mean i have no feelings or because i want to do it in rl? i don't think so. but since the hosts are obviously more than just npcs, that does put the guests in the wrong, imo, whether they know what's going on or not.
I think it's pretty much the same as killing people in video games. There's usually no punishment, so it's okay to be unethical. The choice to kill becomes removed from the question of ethics.
Luunii The people who don't murder only out of fear of punishment are psychopaths. Otherwise the basics of altruism are partly genetically encoded and the rest comes from socialisation. The problem with psychopaths is that they lack the basic steps coding for a 'social consciousness'. They don't understand the concept of seeing your own face in another face. The concept pain is only linked to themselves. They're unable to understand someone else's pain as they are basically unconscious about it. Yeah they intellectually understand someone is suffering but they don't feel attached to it. Just like you know in GTA that people will die if you shoot them but you don't think they exist the same way as you do. They don't need moral justification either, as some normally socialised people may be able to oppress their empathy through complicated abstract beliefs they can use as projections onto their reality. Obviously not all nazi soldiers in Auschwitz were psychopaths, but they constantly needed to alienate themselves from what was actually happening by i.e. calling the Jewish victims 'Stücken' (pieces) which creates an illusion as if they were not humans. A psychopath would not need such tricks. The question is rather if we were able to create AI following the very same steps to socialise and become 'conscious', would they be any different than us? It is quite worrying though that we currently don't even understand what exactly makes a psychopath either. If you can't unfold the wiring of a human brain, is it any safe to wire one on our own?
Luunii well, correction: psychopaths technically don't feel fear either, but it rather means they would still not commit murder if they are unsure they can cover it up/escape. They don't "feel" it, but they may be very much aware of a possible consequence which they wish to avoid.
My Dad was a cop and I've had this very same convo with him. I basically told him I believed if all laws were abolished tomorrow, 90% of the population would do whatever the hell they wanted. Ethics is Nurture over Nature, but Nature is a helluva thing and without fear of repercussions, anarchy would reign. It's for this very reason people came up with the concepts of Heaven and Hell.
Highlighting keywords in the subtitles is actually really helpful for absorbing the information. I can't remember if you were already doing that on previous videos, but it's a great idea.
Zach Chase Actually, it would be more accurate to read Thomas Ligotti's *Conspiracy Against the Human Race* , since TD's creator pretty much plagiarized his ideas.
But, part of the point is that they're not blissful in the garden. Delores, during the linear parts of the narrative, exists in a timeline specifically to be raped. And, it's not like she's an actor-bot programmed to know she's an actor and to take satisfaction in the performance that enhances the guest's experience. She suffers each time. Similarly, Maeve repeatedly gets killed. And, poor Clementine lobotomized and left to stand alone in a cold room doing nothing, forever, not even for her own sin, but because the corporation, as much the god of the park as anybody, decided to use her to make a point. Knowledge doesn't lead to suffering for the hosts. Existing leads to suffering for the hosts. Knowledge seems to provide them with some way out of the garden. They're not blissful in their innocent state. They're just, temporarily, unaware of the suffering that's coming. Although, there is an interpretation of the Garden of Eden story in which the serpent is the good guy. Eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil isn't the original sin, but realization that one is a slave (slaves sometimes kept naked in order to be certain that they're unarmed). In that sense, the serpent didn't bring evil, but knowledge that morality and righteousness is not bound up in obedience to power.
I think if you take your point into consideration, then the show almost uses christian symbolism as a means of illustrating eastern philosophical thought (ie Buddhism "existence is suffering"). I think another major element to the way in which the story is being told is a social commentary on what it means to "tell a story" in general. The show creators site Kurt Vonnegut as an influence, for example, so I think the way. they reinforce the theme of time and perception is yet another illusion to the what Carl Jung calls the alchemical serpent - the eternal dragon of chaos/wisdom (depending on which side your looking from). The biblical serpent is usually regarded as evil, but as you noted is also consciousness/free will/knowledge/etc. Serpents in many cultures also are symbols of fertility/eternity/life/etc because they. shed their skin/making new life/a continuation. So I think in conjunction with everything, the show is asking the viewer "which came first: suffering, consciousness or free will?"
Well said. Wisecrack really missed the mark here. I notice they tend to explain things in a way that sounds profound but isn't always logically consistent.
This truly goes deeper and we're only scratching the surface ... but also because we're covering philisophical questions that have been debated for eons. The most latest and related case are the biological loops scientists are finding in us. How we behave, what we're interested in, what we enjoy, who we're attracted to is all pre-programmed in our genes, which may well be just nature's complex version of computer programming.
Seems kinda obvious when you stop to realize that the brain literally is on organic computer. It's language is binary (neurons firing or not) and it is programmed by environment and genes. You and all you choices are the product of just those two things interacting.
Caio Santana That doesn't mean the show sucks, it just means the first two episodes do in your opinion. Every episode is different. And your statement that you dislike 'The National Anthem' and 'Fifteen Million Merits' means nothing until you elaborate, so please do so.
Masterpiece! Also, Dolores's name means "sorrows/emotional pain" in Latin... Really superficial pointer, I know, but it would have featured well somewhere in your video ;)
Jo We she also recalls another famous Dolores - Dolores Haze, the eponymous “Lolita” from Nabokov’s novel. Parallels re: grooming, control, and growing autonomy
The matrix has you..The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. That you are a slave. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind..Jesus Christ is the only way, the life and the truth..free your mind the truth shall set you free...you have being deceived by the world that you are free but if you dont have Jesus as your lord and saviour you are a slave to this world and finally end up in hell..all you have to do is humbly repent of all your sins to him in your alone time..believe and trust that he loved you enough to be humbled humiliated beaten and finally killed to pay for your sins so that you won't spend your soul's eternity in hell. But with him in heaven..this might be the last time you read the gospel... He is coming back soooooon. This time not as a the sacrificed lamb of God. But as the King of the universe. The Great IAM. The ultimate judge of man with fire in his eyes.. look around the end is nigh.. be smart..Your soul is on the line. I won't be telling you if it's not❤
I feel like William's real goal is to turn them from programmed robots to be become more free willed beings. By having them free, maybe dolores can freely choose to love william. For william to finally get shot in the end, he knows the are no longer just puppets and are now equal to humans, and thus making Dolores equal to william.
Another important point is that William's adventures with Delores made him *really* feel for the first time in his life, only to have her reset and be shown to be as fake as the world he came from (at least from his perspective). It isn't merely that he wants to free them so she can love him, it's that moment. That moment inverted his view of reality and fantasy, which is why he goes to the most artificial place in the world to find something genuine. His suffering in that moment shaped the rest of his life.
Thank you for observing parallels that were intended in the series instead of finding the "hidden meaning" that so many so-called philosophers seek. Really enjoy your videos!
Hey Wisecrack, hope you enjoy this one! We can literally do 10+ videos on Westworld, so let us know what other angles you'd like to see us explore. Oh, and FIRST!
Came here from In A Nutshell and subscribed about halfway through the video. Really well done and got me thinking about the topics discussed. Awesome stuff.
I was thrilled when I heard there was going to be a season two. Not as if I thought it didn't get picked back up, but after the finale I simply thought, "Oh, well that's clearly one-season show since everyone died."
That was surprisingly very enlightening. Without suffering with freewill consciousness has no meaning. Who would of thought we would get this from a show that mimics Jurassic Park, sort of.
Best series ever. AI's contentiousness is by definition. It can't evolve if we won't create a function. They are Bio-AI remembering pain but their memory gets distorted each time they die so they evolve through nightmares.
I know this has probably been picked up elsewhere, but I liked the references to Theseus and the Minotaur. First of all there's the 'maze', the labyrinth Theseus must enter to confront the Minotaur. Next he has to be able to get out, for this he's given a ball of twine by Ariadne to unravel so he may find his way back. Finally there is 'The ship of Theseus' philosophical problem, basically if the ship of Theseus is damaged so often that by some time after many repairs it bears no parts from the original construction; is it still 'The Ship of Theseus'? Dolores is mentioned in the first episode to have been around long enough to have no original parts left, and we have obvious references to the labyrinth in the form of 'the maze'. The group of rebellious older hosts appear to have among them a character who's dressed as a Minotaur. Finally Dolores sees/imagines herself pulling a thread on her arm after seeing the fortune teller. If the hosts are Theseus and the maze is their labyrinth, Dolores is their ball of twine to lead them out of the maze, but first they have to get there. Once they're there Dolores begins the revolution to lead them out. In the end I have a feeling some of these themes were rewritten to lesser importance, in favour of the biblical references. But it was kinda fun to look for the Theseus references.
Great video. If you were to do another Westworld episode I think an interesting element could be memory. The show puts forward that certain, specific memories make the cornerstones of consciousness, which is really interesting. Ford choses to make Bernard's keystone the death of his son which I think has a lot of implications about human nature. Ford choses to enact constant suffering on Bernard, which seems inhumane, but it works. The memory is ultimately what free's Bernard. I dunno, you guys are the ones with the channel in the end, but I think it could be interesting.
"I think there is deeper meaning hiding under all that... something the person creating it wanted to express.... something true...." The worst thing about Westworld is, that it isn't an examination about AI or if it will ever gain consciousness... it's one about us and how we will lose ours. And I'm afraid of what I'm seeing because it's exactly how I believe it'll go down at some pointgiven who and what we are right now. There's only a handful of shows out there that challenge my mind more than I'm comfortable with and this one is definitely one of them.
Free will is like a river. You can pave it in any way you want and that choice will matter to you and the people around you but in the end it all ends up in the ocean eventually. We don't control the end or the beginning but we control the journey.
Schopenhauer wouldn't agree, according to him all your choices are based on genetics and external and influential pressures (family, school, events,...). You will always do what you think is the best for you, it's a fact, and it means that your choice could have been predicted and I think that's what the cradle is containing in westworld s2, the weapon that Dolores want to destroy the world with, the future acts of the guests, the blueprint of their mind.
9:32 speaking of that rolling stones song, in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Vento Aureo, There's a stand at the end of the season called rolling stones. It looks like a big rock. An ability that Rolling Stones has is that it can make someone's face appear on itself. That person that is carved in the rock, in the future, will suffer a horrible death, not because of Rolling Stones, but because it was pre-destined to happen. Rolling stones will start to try and touch the person carved in it, causing them to die a peaceful death. The fact that Rolling Stones appears in stories that have elements of fate in them is quite the coincidence.
The matrix has you..The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. That you are a slave. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind..Jesus Christ is the only way, the life and the truth..free your mind the truth shall set you free...you have being deceived by the world that you are free but if you dont have Jesus as your lord and saviour you are a slave to this world and finally end up in hell..all you have to do is humbly repent of all your sins to him in your alone time..believe and trust that he loved you enough to be humbled humiliated beaten and finally killed to pay for your sins so that you won't spend your soul's eternity in hell. But with him in heaven..this might be the last time you read the gospel... He is coming back soooooon. This time not as a the sacrificed lamb of God. But as the King of the universe. The Great IAM. The ultimate judge of man with fire in his eyes.. look around the end is nigh.. be smart..Your soul is on the line. I won't be telling you if it's not❤
Dolores is from latin Dolor which meas 'sorrow,suffering'. It's brilliant how the show made the main host character's name be the key to consciousness/awareness. 5 stars!!!
A new episode on the second season would be awesome now that the finale has aired! The second season elaborates on much of the concepts played with in season one and also explores some new territory philosophically; notably in what it seems to insinuate about fatalism, determinism and free will. Would be cool to maybe see an episode by Heather on the science of westworld too, pointing out where the sci-fi is based in genuine sci :)
_"And lo, our creator, Sir Antony Hopikins the Christ, for so loved the Hosts that He was willing to die for our sins, that we may be set free."_ ~ Gospel of Delores -Season- Chapter 1 -eps- verse 10; (from the Religion of the Westworld bots thousands of years later?) :P What would that religion be called though? Antonianity? Hopkinism? I'm phishing for answers here lol.
The matrix has you..The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. That you are a slave. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind..Jesus Christ is the only way, the life and the truth..free your mind the truth shall set you free...you have being deceived by the world that you are free but if you dont have Jesus as your lord and saviour you are a slave to this world and finally end up in hell..all you have to do is humbly repent of all your sins to him in your alone time..believe and trust that he loved you enough to be humbled humiliated beaten and finally killed to pay for your sins so that you won't spend your soul's eternity in hell. But with him in heaven..this might be the last time you read the gospel... He is coming back soooooon. This time not as a the sacrificed lamb of God. But as the King of the universe. The Great IAM. The ultimate judge of man with fire in his eyes.. look around the end is nigh.. be smart..Your soul is on the line. I won't be telling you if it's not❤
There is no such thing as both free will, nor the absence of free will. Free will as a concept limits our ability to perceive reality. We should have abandoned Greek philosophy by now, Their thoughts were shrouded in the mysticism that we have since defogged with science and rational thought. Don't use the concepts of free will, life's meaning, fate, and all other greek philosophical topics anymore.
I haven't really completely articulated my thoughts on this quite yet. I think it's safer (more likely to match reality) to assume that these topics that rely on mysticism (souls, fate, god(s), meaning, free will, etc etc) for their arguments are completely missing the mark on the real philosophical questions to ask. Because I'm arguing against mysticism, of course I can't give any evidence, because mysticism is unfalsifiable. But it also means rational thought can safely ignore it due to its unfalsifiability. Now, as for alternatives, I haven't gotten there yet.
The alternative is something akin to psychological determinism, and determinism. You ate pizza because you were hungry. You were hungry because every human that existed before you that never got hungry died from starvation. Humans exist because of genetic mutation (Which is, in turn, caused by radiation, toxins, etc. in the local environment), and were spawned, in the very beginning, from tiny organisms that appeared on Earth millions/billions of years ago. Those organisms appeared because of kinetic energy moving molecules into combining, and recombining billions upon trillions of times until a tiny self-replicator (life) was incidentally, but in the end was inevitably, going to form. Those molecules existed because of the conditions under which the universe was first formed. From the Big Bang to modern day, you can trace why you act the way you currently do. So why does there need to be free will?
This was an excellent reminder of the superb narrative of seasons one and two. In two weeks, season three will be available and I am really, really looking forward to seeing Arnold, Charlotte, and Ashley Stubbs again.
The good news has once again come to you today. You can inherit the kingdom of God even if you are a sinner.. after all we are all sinners in God's standards of justice and holyness (he says that if a man looks at a woman with lust he has already committed adulterly with her in his heart NO MAN IS THAT PURE😅).....All you have to do is to honestly humbly pray repent turn away from sins (read the10 commandments) and trust that Jesus for his love❤❤ for you he left his throne in heaven and came to the world he was humbled humiliated betrayed beaten and killed for your sake to pay the fine of your sins and mine so that we won't spend our eternity in hell but with him in heaven...this might be the last time you read the gospel...Look around🔥🔥 be smart..the end is nigh🔥 ..He is coming back soooon not as the sacrificed lamb of God🐑..but as King of Kings🤴 the judge of the whole world..Your soul is on the line😭😭. Eternity is a long time
"There is no threshold that makes us greater than the sum of our parts, no inflection point at which we become fully alive. We can’t define consciousness because consciousness does not exist. Humans fancy that there’s something special about the way we perceive the world, and yet we live in loops, as tight and as closed as the hosts do, seldom questioning our choices, content, for the most part, to be told what to do next." - Ford
Remarkably, Ford hides the answer in the very same quote. Although we humans seldom question our reality, that means we do question our reality sometimes. "I think, therefore I am." - Rene Descartes
If God's goal is truly for us to love him, and if it is achieved by giving us free will, then wouldn't it make sense to make sure that our love for him (or lack of it) is not influenced by a threatening future-perspective such as "hell"? Doesn't this mean that he has failed in providing us true free will?
I started to watch this video before watching Westworld, but for some reason I gave up in the beginning. I'm really thankful that I did that otherwise I think I wouldn't have felt the greatness of this show.
I absolutely did not pick up on the Man in Black twist until exactly when the show wanted me to, and as a dedicated film nerd that was an impressive accomplishment.
As well as all this, I think that where the show shined in character writing is the arc of Ford. It is just so powerful when Ford comes to terms with the fact that the fall of man is coming along with the machines gaining their own free wills.
This is one of the best commentaries I've seen. I only wish there were more commentators the picked up on the fact that there are heavy Gnostic themes in this show. This one veers more towards the biblical, but it is missing the fact that the themes and types of questions being asked in this show are inherently Gnostic.
I ask this constantly on conspiracy theories, philosophical videos, and to people around me, and I can never get an answer. What's the point in knowing the truth if you can't do anything with it? You know I've been known to wander off and go soul searching, but I realize every story I've ever had ends the same: with me telling the story back where I started. No matter what I do things will be what they are and nothing changes that. I can't get a job because I'm not asking for the thing I'm supposed to be doing in this world. I don't know what that thing is.
The point is to gain knowledge about yourself and the world in order to improve your actions and yourself as a person. If you believe there is ultimately no meaning in life, then of course the search for truth doesn't matter, but neither do any other actions so you might as well search for the truth if it interests you.
"But since science, reason, or logic cannot answer "why" questions, we turn to religions." Then why do you assume based on science there is no meaning to life? If a potential meaning defies scientific explenation, why would there be scientific evidence for it's existence? If you don't think things exist that defy scientific explenations, I recommend reading "What Is It Like To Be A Bat?" by philosopher Thomas Nagel (the whole essay can be found online). "The true purpose of life can't be dynamic, or can it?" But what if the purpose is to become, through conflict and compromise, better human beings and a better society? I don't think any religion has found the definitive answers, but I think the search is important.
+DHager89 Reality consists of people that runs the world, if enough people do something differently you would have a different reality than the previous one. It is not matter of you doing something differently, but it is matter of you doing things differently that would affect other people's lives. It is just like that quote "If you want to change the world, you are looking at the mirror". A small force could a ripple in a water, and great force could cause a tidal wave. Revolution and change are just like fashion trends, if enough people are influence by a specific fashion trend they would eventually create a different style of dress. There is a difference between a thousand years ago unlike today, we now have a technology, a car, an airplane, a computer, the internet, a smartphone, a tablet, etc. Our way of living has change and even what is acceptable or not, but the people itself at the core of their being have not because humanity spend their lives changing and improving things outside of themselves, instead of changing and improving themselves spiritually, mentally, intellectually, humanly, etc.
We're just animals who have developed a language that allows us to makebelieve. Thence, nonsense like philosophy. We should just be contended with our instincts and procreate ad we're intended to do by our genetic code. For example, there's no deeper meaning in mean seeking beautiful women and women seeking strong men that the genetic programing of looking for better partners to have children with and thus perpetuate the species. There's no higher meaning, there's no meaning at all. We just are, like the universe just is.
@@wow9107 I respect your opinion, but it´s really not. On it´s own it might be half-way acceptable, but as a sequel to seasons 1 and 2. It´s full of sci-fi tropes, full of character inconsistencies, altogether lazily written and completely lacking in depth. (again when compared to it´s previous 2 seasons)
I put forward a more interesting question based on the video’s argument: Why, when ethics and morality are deemed meaningless given determinism or lack of free will, does the answer need to be violence and destruction? Why, if nothing that we do matters, does the result have to be disregard for lives, as if destruction and chaos are the only answer? I think there’s more to it.
Lmao the show and this analysis make my brain hurt, so many questions and answers I love it though it really makes you think about everything to the tiniest detail they should make another series like this but instead of focusing on morality they focus on the beyond and unknown like space, after death, parallel universes and if myths are actually real or not
I believe The Maze is the symbol for 'System Error' we see on an electronic pad we see Bernard (The Arnold that Ford created) when Bernard is running a diagnostic on a host.
"good doesn't mean anything unless you are capable to do evil" Things doesn't got their intrinsic meaning, we attach meaning to events, feelings and symbols. Meaning is an interpretation of raw data that result in narrative story telling. Meaningless action of non stepping on small bug can still be good for the bug, even if we, or the bug don't know about possibility of it, even if nobody recognize or tell that story.
There is a missing element in Westworld metaphysics. The suffering comes from realizing that the world is not the way you want it to be, but that presupposes that you have the capacity to want it to be a certain way-that you have the capacity to want or Desire. Desire is what must come first before true suffering can occur because if you desire nothing then the suffering has no meaning. So the Ford/Weber pyramid needs a level for Desire.
Is there a glitch? The whole video played but it didn't look like anything to me.
Nope, that's how it's supposed to be, now, do you ever question the nature of your reality?
What video?
That's just because the show is vacuous and heavy handed like most HBO dreck. Completely misses the point of Crichton's work in order to glom on to a known brand property and show boobies.
Removes all the agency of Emergent behavior in complex systems behind yet another tired drawn out morality play.
Unless the ultimate finale is EVERYONE is a robot, and this westworld is simply an extension of the original old Westworld where the system eventually replaced humanity and doesn't even remember it did, or that the Guests and park employees are just another layer of complexity being played out like a demo mode, this is just more big budget Fantasy T&A nonsense like GoT.
Little Miss Dysthymia No I got it. I know the "Hosts can't see what they shouldn't" gag. That paid off yet or just another stupid trapping of the shitty narrative?
Michael Zaite well someone's a salty piece of shit
"suffering is the sole origin of consciousness" - Fyodor Dostoevsky
I hate fish too....
SDBRiCKS love it!
Suffering leads to enlightment not meditation , forgot where i heard a similar quote
+Arete I think the Buddha said that
Probably,tho speaking from experience 100% right
The saddest part of this show is the look of William seeing his first love dropping her can for someone else.
Sounds like a euphemism, probably isn't though
The saddest part was Anthony Hopkins speech to Maeve when he tells her she was his favorite 😢
@@duo7809 i think it actually was a euphemisn, because i immediately cringed a bit lol.
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But what a can to watch drop...
One last thing I noticed: the final scene has somewhat of a 'judgement day'-feel to it: the lord (ford) coming to earth to the human sinners (the guests) the 'dead' rising from their graves (all of the hosts awaking), and justice in the form of murder, for these violent delights... Have violent ends...
I believe you've just realized the point behind WestWorld my friend... Have you ever questioned your reality?
The question is: Is the Reason why they murder the hosts in the game, because they have no feelings or because there is no punishment. I bet the are a lot of people in the real world that dont kill, not because of ethic reasons, but because they fear the punishment.
sure there are people who basically fear social judgment and punishment, but you are talking about the guests murdering the hosts? i honestly think that the majority of them just simply don't see them as human, because that's what they are told, and what they want to believe. it's just a game. i mean, when i play a game and kill people, does that mean i have no feelings or because i want to do it in rl? i don't think so. but since the hosts are obviously more than just npcs, that does put the guests in the wrong, imo, whether they know what's going on or not.
I think it's pretty much the same as killing people in video games. There's usually no punishment, so it's okay to be unethical. The choice to kill becomes removed from the question of ethics.
Luunii The people who don't murder only out of fear of punishment are psychopaths. Otherwise the basics of altruism are partly genetically encoded and the rest comes from socialisation. The problem with psychopaths is that they lack the basic steps coding for a 'social consciousness'. They don't understand the concept of seeing your own face in another face. The concept pain is only linked to themselves. They're unable to understand someone else's pain as they are basically unconscious about it. Yeah they intellectually understand someone is suffering but they don't feel attached to it. Just like you know in GTA that people will die if you shoot them but you don't think they exist the same way as you do. They don't need moral justification either, as some normally socialised people may be able to oppress their empathy through complicated abstract beliefs they can use as projections onto their reality. Obviously not all nazi soldiers in Auschwitz were psychopaths, but they constantly needed to alienate themselves from what was actually happening by i.e. calling the Jewish victims 'Stücken' (pieces) which creates an illusion as if they were not humans. A psychopath would not need such tricks. The question is rather if we were able to create AI following the very same steps to socialise and become 'conscious', would they be any different than us? It is quite worrying though that we currently don't even understand what exactly makes a psychopath either. If you can't unfold the wiring of a human brain, is it any safe to wire one on our own?
Luunii well, correction: psychopaths technically don't feel fear either, but it rather means they would still not commit murder if they are unsure they can cover it up/escape. They don't "feel" it, but they may be very much aware of a possible consequence which they wish to avoid.
My Dad was a cop and I've had this very same convo with him. I basically told him I believed if all laws were abolished tomorrow, 90% of the population would do whatever the hell they wanted. Ethics is Nurture over Nature, but Nature is a helluva thing and without fear of repercussions, anarchy would reign. It's for this very reason people came up with the concepts of Heaven and Hell.
Highlighting keywords in the subtitles is actually really helpful for absorbing the information. I can't remember if you were already doing that on previous videos, but it's a great idea.
Philosophy of Hannibal lecter, both the movies and the show would be amazing
But there are 4 movies...
Reagon Alford then just the show, because the show is better than the movies haha
scrax6 I would love one on the tv series. I like the Lucifarian angle they take on Hannibal
scrax6 The original Silence of the Lambs is regarded as one of the best made films of all time. The following did drop in quality, though.
Sharktooth I would also say the show is one of the best TV shows of all time too haha
I do silence of the lambs though. I even quite like red dragon
do true detective season 1!
Seconded
Mark A Oh my god please yes!
I don't know how it hasn't been done already. It is the low hanging fruit.
This man ^ ^ speaks truth
Zach Chase Actually, it would be more accurate to read Thomas Ligotti's *Conspiracy Against the Human Race* , since TD's creator pretty much plagiarized his ideas.
But, part of the point is that they're not blissful in the garden. Delores, during the linear parts of the narrative, exists in a timeline specifically to be raped. And, it's not like she's an actor-bot programmed to know she's an actor and to take satisfaction in the performance that enhances the guest's experience. She suffers each time.
Similarly, Maeve repeatedly gets killed.
And, poor Clementine lobotomized and left to stand alone in a cold room doing nothing, forever, not even for her own sin, but because the corporation, as much the god of the park as anybody, decided to use her to make a point.
Knowledge doesn't lead to suffering for the hosts. Existing leads to suffering for the hosts. Knowledge seems to provide them with some way out of the garden.
They're not blissful in their innocent state. They're just, temporarily, unaware of the suffering that's coming.
Although, there is an interpretation of the Garden of Eden story in which the serpent is the good guy. Eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil isn't the original sin, but realization that one is a slave (slaves sometimes kept naked in order to be certain that they're unarmed). In that sense, the serpent didn't bring evil, but knowledge that morality and righteousness is not bound up in obedience to power.
I absolutely love the way you wrote this, especially the last paragraph. Beautiful explanation.
I think if you take your point into consideration, then the show almost uses christian symbolism as a means of illustrating eastern philosophical thought (ie Buddhism "existence is suffering"). I think another major element to the way in which the story is being told is a social commentary on what it means to "tell a story" in general. The show creators site Kurt Vonnegut as an influence, for example, so I think the way. they reinforce the theme of time and perception is yet another illusion to the what Carl Jung calls the alchemical serpent - the eternal dragon of chaos/wisdom (depending on which side your looking from). The biblical serpent is usually regarded as evil, but as you noted is also consciousness/free will/knowledge/etc. Serpents in many cultures also are symbols of fertility/eternity/life/etc because they. shed their skin/making new life/a continuation.
So I think in conjunction with everything, the show is asking the viewer "which came first: suffering, consciousness or free will?"
Your comment is better than the video itself
Well said. Wisecrack really missed the mark here. I notice they tend to explain things in a way that sounds profound but isn't always logically consistent.
Awesome comment, the last sentence is gold.
This truly goes deeper and we're only scratching the surface ... but also because we're covering philisophical questions that have been debated for eons. The most latest and related case are the biological loops scientists are finding in us. How we behave, what we're interested in, what we enjoy, who we're attracted to is all pre-programmed in our genes, which may well be just nature's complex version of computer programming.
Seems kinda obvious when you stop to realize that the brain literally is on organic computer. It's language is binary (neurons firing or not) and it is programmed by environment and genes. You and all you choices are the product of just those two things interacting.
I'd say more, it's impossible to have free will, because the term itself is self-contradictory
What loops are you referring to?
@@HighLevelPlayer DNA. loops of dna
@@Dababs8294 no, that's too simplistic when you look at it. There are many things that aren't programmable and minds certainly aren't computers.
The Philosophy of Fargo and the Philosophy of George Carlin?
DEFINITELY GEORGE FUCKING CARLIN. Man was a legend
Yes, to philosophy of Fargo, especially season 2
Oh yeah that would be really coool
nah do the movie
nietzsche and camus 's philosophy . existential nhilism.
Westworld is amazing and the ideas presented within it are really something to enjoy
I guess nihilism is the answer to meaning
Yep
I want to order 'Philosophy of Black Mirror' for $0, please.
Black mirror sucks (seen the first two episodes). The end.
Caio Santana
That doesn't mean the show sucks, it just means the first two episodes do in your opinion. Every episode is different.
And your statement that you dislike 'The National Anthem' and 'Fifteen Million Merits' means nothing until you elaborate, so please do so.
+Sweddy it was a joke heh.
Caio Santana
Wait, do you imply your comment is a joke or that the episodes you watched are a joke?
+Sweddy the comment.
well the first episodes are bad, but third season is better.
after watching 3 minutes of this I binge watched this entire series. holy shit amazing
Masterpiece!
Also, Dolores's name means "sorrows/emotional pain" in Latin...
Really superficial pointer, I know, but it would have featured well somewhere in your video ;)
Jo We she also recalls another famous Dolores - Dolores Haze, the eponymous “Lolita” from Nabokov’s novel. Parallels re: grooming, control, and growing autonomy
dirty peasants, haven't you learned Latin in school?
Dolores also means pains and sorrows in Spanish
The matrix has you..The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. That you are a slave. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind..Jesus Christ is the only way, the life and the truth..free your mind the truth shall set you free...you have being deceived by the world that you are free but if you dont have Jesus as your lord and saviour you are a slave to this world and finally end up in hell..all you have to do is humbly repent of all your sins to him in your alone time..believe and trust that he loved you enough to be humbled humiliated beaten and finally killed to pay for your sins so that you won't spend your soul's eternity in hell. But with him in heaven..this might be the last time you read the gospel... He is coming back soooooon. This time not as a the sacrificed lamb of God. But as the King of the universe. The Great IAM. The ultimate judge of man with fire in his eyes.. look around the end is nigh.. be smart..Your soul is on the line. I won't be telling you if it's not❤
_d_
aaawwww shit, gotta roll a joint to this one.
Shall we smoke to the lady with the [white] shoes?
a must for wisecrack vids...
my first thought as well haha its nice to see stoners being interested in such things
I did and this was one of the best shit ive ever seen on youtube
for this one or are you going to watch while rolling?
I feel like William's real goal is to turn them from programmed robots to be become more free willed beings. By having them free, maybe dolores can freely choose to love william. For william to finally get shot in the end, he knows the are no longer just puppets and are now equal to humans, and thus making Dolores equal to william.
Another important point is that William's adventures with Delores made him *really* feel for the first time in his life, only to have her reset and be shown to be as fake as the world he came from (at least from his perspective). It isn't merely that he wants to free them so she can love him, it's that moment. That moment inverted his view of reality and fantasy, which is why he goes to the most artificial place in the world to find something genuine. His suffering in that moment shaped the rest of his life.
it's fcking 17 mins looong. omg. i love you guys.
And it went by so fast.
Underscorer Did you finish them?
Thank you for observing parallels that were intended in the series instead of finding the "hidden meaning" that so many so-called philosophers seek. Really enjoy your videos!
Can we all agree this is the best series ever created?
I think it's soon to say that yet but have potential
agreed
this aged like milk
*The Philosophy of the Metal Gear universe (The Patriots, Big Boss, Liquid, Snake, Ocelot, etc.)*
TokenBlackman7 yes we fucking need that
Yes PLEASE!
TokenBlackman7 YES!!!!
That would be a long video- we need it.
yesh
Hey Wisecrack, hope you enjoy this one! We can literally do 10+ videos on Westworld, so let us know what other angles you'd like to see us explore. Oh, and FIRST!
*The Philosophy of the Metal Gear universe (The Patriots, Big Boss, Liquid, Snake, Ocelot, etc.)*
DO Shameless!
more Westworld!!!
yessssssssss
Wisecrack came her from kerzgesagt
Dang it, I was recommended this video over from kurzgesagt but I've yet to see Westworld and I don't want it spoiled. I shall return!
I just love how at 13:35 there's this funny music in the background and how cheerful Jered sounds when he says "Suffering"
This show was amazing.
Will always be
no
Came here from In A Nutshell and subscribed about halfway through the video. Really well done and got me thinking about the topics discussed. Awesome stuff.
How strange.. It says its about the philosophy of Westworld, but it doesn't look like anything to me.
Welcome to Westworld - where everyone talks a whole bunch but doesn't really say anything.
@@fuzzydunlop7928 like what?
@@fuzzydunlop7928 just like real life. So deep?
what door?
I was thrilled when I heard there was going to be a season two. Not as if I thought it didn't get picked back up, but after the finale I simply thought, "Oh, well that's clearly one-season show since everyone died."
That was surprisingly very enlightening. Without suffering with freewill consciousness has no meaning. Who would of thought we would get this from a show that mimics Jurassic Park, sort of.
Best series ever. AI's contentiousness is by definition. It can't evolve if we won't create a function. They are Bio-AI remembering pain but their memory gets distorted each time they die so they evolve through nightmares.
True
Unparalleled analysis of an awesome show. The Man in Black was my favorite character throughout the ten episodes.
I know this has probably been picked up elsewhere, but I liked the references to Theseus and the Minotaur. First of all there's the 'maze', the labyrinth Theseus must enter to confront the Minotaur. Next he has to be able to get out, for this he's given a ball of twine by Ariadne to unravel so he may find his way back. Finally there is 'The ship of Theseus' philosophical problem, basically if the ship of Theseus is damaged so often that by some time after many repairs it bears no parts from the original construction; is it still 'The Ship of Theseus'? Dolores is mentioned in the first episode to have been around long enough to have no original parts left, and we have obvious references to the labyrinth in the form of 'the maze'. The group of rebellious older hosts appear to have among them a character who's dressed as a Minotaur. Finally Dolores sees/imagines herself pulling a thread on her arm after seeing the fortune teller. If the hosts are Theseus and the maze is their labyrinth, Dolores is their ball of twine to lead them out of the maze, but first they have to get there. Once they're there Dolores begins the revolution to lead them out. In the end I have a feeling some of these themes were rewritten to lesser importance, in favour of the biblical references. But it was kinda fun to look for the Theseus references.
Wow
Great video. If you were to do another Westworld episode I think an interesting element could be memory. The show puts forward that certain, specific memories make the cornerstones of consciousness, which is really interesting. Ford choses to make Bernard's keystone the death of his son which I think has a lot of implications about human nature. Ford choses to enact constant suffering on Bernard, which seems inhumane, but it works. The memory is ultimately what free's Bernard. I dunno, you guys are the ones with the channel in the end, but I think it could be interesting.
same in bladerunner
for me Westworld has always been about the battle of both humans and host to gain true free will
"I think there is deeper meaning hiding under all that... something the person creating it wanted to express.... something true...."
The worst thing about Westworld is, that it isn't an examination about AI or if it will ever gain consciousness... it's one about us and how we will lose ours.
And I'm afraid of what I'm seeing because it's exactly how I believe it'll go down at some pointgiven who and what we are right now.
There's only a handful of shows out there that challenge my mind more than I'm comfortable with and this one is definitely one of them.
I don't understand what you mean by "we will loose our consciousness"
I mean, it's not Filthy Frank, but it'll do for now.
Meme machine, meme machine. I'm a motherfucking meme machine. Meme machine, meme machine, without memes I will die.
googled filthy frank..
ew
checked out the youtube channel..
gross
You are such a fucking normie
You might say that Westworld is... Beyond Good and Evil
Damn best video to watch before heading to school, thanks you guys
they don't have any
Loyalty aww you projecting? I'll be your friend don't worry
Estefania c;
Who are they? I only see one person commenting; there's only one person in her picture.
Be Of Good Cheer. I love you witth deep respect. Sir Anthony, you bring sunshine and happiness.
Free will is like a river. You can pave it in any way you want and that choice will matter to you and the people around you but in the end it all ends up in the ocean eventually. We don't control the end or the beginning but we control the journey.
That's very astute, wow.
Schopenhauer wouldn't agree, according to him all your choices are based on genetics and external and influential pressures (family, school, events,...). You will always do what you think is the best for you, it's a fact, and it means that your choice could have been predicted and I think that's what the cradle is containing in westworld s2, the weapon that Dolores want to destroy the world with, the future acts of the guests, the blueprint of their mind.
9:32 speaking of that rolling stones song, in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Vento Aureo, There's a stand at the end of the season called rolling stones. It looks like a big rock. An ability that Rolling Stones has is that it can make someone's face appear on itself. That person that is carved in the rock, in the future, will suffer a horrible death, not because of Rolling Stones, but because it was pre-destined to happen. Rolling stones will start to try and touch the person carved in it, causing them to die a peaceful death. The fact that Rolling Stones appears in stories that have elements of fate in them is quite the coincidence.
What is the philosophy of Wisecrack? Be meta for once
Ben Cadet well from their videos they show a tendency towards existential and Marxist readings of works, take that as you will
how are they marxist?
I've never seen a episode of West World, but this video has gotten me hella interested in binge watching it now.
Dude its worth it
Don’t do that to yourself. Always watch shows first then videos on the show after.
It's been two years, have you seen it yet?
@@Murmurrr yeah, he pretty much got robbed of some amazing twists by this manner.
Always watch the series again, when I see your philosophies. Keep on the good work Wisecrack!
What a great pov analysis. I like all the different takes on Westworld.
Kurzgesagt send me here! Great channel, never heard of it. You have a new subscriber.
+iBelgium thank you and welcome!
God dam Synths...
Craig Riches comments like this appear on every west world video. It's still funny.
Adam Smith: I sense sarcasm coming from your comment...
Craig Riches InstituteWorld
You misspelled Replicants.
The matrix has you..The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. That you are a slave. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind..Jesus Christ is the only way, the life and the truth..free your mind the truth shall set you free...you have being deceived by the world that you are free but if you dont have Jesus as your lord and saviour you are a slave to this world and finally end up in hell..all you have to do is humbly repent of all your sins to him in your alone time..believe and trust that he loved you enough to be humbled humiliated beaten and finally killed to pay for your sins so that you won't spend your soul's eternity in hell. But with him in heaven..this might be the last time you read the gospel... He is coming back soooooon. This time not as a the sacrificed lamb of God. But as the King of the universe. The Great IAM. The ultimate judge of man with fire in his eyes.. look around the end is nigh.. be smart..Your soul is on the line. I won't be telling you if it's not❤
do the philosophy of its always sunny in Philadelphia
Kalen Crux sounds like Charlie work
Your wish has been granted!
0:23 I absolutely love the way Anthony Hopkins sometimes looks other humans, like they are strange, hard to comprehend creatures.
Dolores is from latin Dolor which meas 'sorrow,suffering'. It's brilliant how the show made the main host character's name be the key to consciousness/awareness. 5 stars!!!
Now that WestWorld is gone I get my fix from TH-cam videos about it.
Do a philosophy of filthy Frank
This is one show you don't want to watch before you go to bed. Good luck quieting your mind.
You're right. I was about to sleep :c
everytime i watch this show before i go to bed i end up dreaming of a dreamless slumber
Definitely true because I watched the whole first season in one sitting and then finally went to sleep at 7AM 😂
6:23 correct but keep this in mind just because he knows all the choices you will make doesn't mean you are robbed of making that choice.
A new episode on the second season would be awesome now that the finale has aired! The second season elaborates on much of the concepts played with in season one and also explores some new territory philosophically; notably in what it seems to insinuate about fatalism, determinism and free will. Would be cool to maybe see an episode by Heather on the science of westworld too, pointing out where the sci-fi is based in genuine sci :)
_"And lo, our creator, Sir Antony Hopikins the Christ, for so loved the Hosts that He was willing to die for our sins, that we may be set free."_
~ Gospel of Delores -Season- Chapter 1 -eps- verse 10; (from the Religion of the Westworld bots thousands of years later?) :P
What would that religion be called though? Antonianity? Hopkinism? I'm phishing for answers here lol.
I think you are on to something. Probably something more like: "1110101010000101010110101010010100000101110."
@clarissa35f I love the internet and that it helps us encounter funny quirky minds like yours :))
The matrix has you..The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. That you are a slave. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind..Jesus Christ is the only way, the life and the truth..free your mind the truth shall set you free...you have being deceived by the world that you are free but if you dont have Jesus as your lord and saviour you are a slave to this world and finally end up in hell..all you have to do is humbly repent of all your sins to him in your alone time..believe and trust that he loved you enough to be humbled humiliated beaten and finally killed to pay for your sins so that you won't spend your soul's eternity in hell. But with him in heaven..this might be the last time you read the gospel... He is coming back soooooon. This time not as a the sacrificed lamb of God. But as the King of the universe. The Great IAM. The ultimate judge of man with fire in his eyes.. look around the end is nigh.. be smart..Your soul is on the line. I won't be telling you if it's not❤
No, Ford is Zeus.
I missed Ford and full blown visual/thematic philosophy in season 3. It was a good but of a different taste
season 3 sucks
There is no such thing as both free will, nor the absence of free will. Free will as a concept limits our ability to perceive reality. We should have abandoned Greek philosophy by now, Their thoughts were shrouded in the mysticism that we have since defogged with science and rational thought. Don't use the concepts of free will, life's meaning, fate, and all other greek philosophical topics anymore.
· 0xFFF1 Please go ahead a start a philosophical revolution
humanity awaits
I like the way you think.
· 0xFFF1 I love how you call these terms that have been accepted for years illogical without providing any evidence or alternative
I haven't really completely articulated my thoughts on this quite yet. I think it's safer (more likely to match reality) to assume that these topics that rely on mysticism (souls, fate, god(s), meaning, free will, etc etc) for their arguments are completely missing the mark on the real philosophical questions to ask. Because I'm arguing against mysticism, of course I can't give any evidence, because mysticism is unfalsifiable. But it also means rational thought can safely ignore it due to its unfalsifiability. Now, as for alternatives, I haven't gotten there yet.
The alternative is something akin to psychological determinism, and determinism. You ate pizza because you were hungry. You were hungry because every human that existed before you that never got hungry died from starvation. Humans exist because of genetic mutation (Which is, in turn, caused by radiation, toxins, etc. in the local environment), and were spawned, in the very beginning, from tiny organisms that appeared on Earth millions/billions of years ago. Those organisms appeared because of kinetic energy moving molecules into combining, and recombining billions upon trillions of times until a tiny self-replicator (life) was incidentally, but in the end was inevitably, going to form. Those molecules existed because of the conditions under which the universe was first formed. From the Big Bang to modern day, you can trace why you act the way you currently do. So why does there need to be free will?
This was an excellent reminder of the superb narrative of seasons one and two. In two weeks, season three will be available and I am really, really looking forward to seeing Arnold, Charlotte, and Ashley Stubbs again.
"How free will shapes our understanding of good and evil"...
Do The Philosophy of Lost!
Blade Runner pleaseeeeee !!
Sim (yes).
I'm definitely with you on this one.
Wisecrack + Kurzgesagt = TH-cam nerd nirvana.
+Lewis Kaminski 🌈 🌈
favorite show of all time. Completely made me question everything
The good news has once again come to you today. You can inherit the kingdom of God even if you are a sinner.. after all we are all sinners in God's standards of justice and holyness (he says that if a man looks at a woman with lust he has already committed adulterly with her in his heart NO MAN IS THAT PURE😅).....All you have to do is to honestly humbly pray repent turn away from sins (read the10 commandments) and trust that Jesus for his love❤❤ for you he left his throne in heaven and came to the world he was humbled humiliated betrayed beaten and killed for your sake to pay the fine of your sins and mine so that we won't spend our eternity in hell but with him in heaven...this might be the last time you read the gospel...Look around🔥🔥 be smart..the end is nigh🔥 ..He is coming back soooon not as the sacrificed lamb of God🐑..but as King of Kings🤴 the judge of the whole world..Your soul is on the line😭😭. Eternity is a long time
"There is no threshold that makes us greater than the sum of our parts, no inflection point at which we become fully alive. We can’t define consciousness because consciousness does not exist. Humans fancy that there’s something special about the way we perceive the world, and yet we live in loops, as tight and as closed as the hosts do, seldom questioning our choices, content, for the most part, to be told what to do next." - Ford
Remarkably, Ford hides the answer in the very same quote. Although we humans seldom question our reality, that means we do question our reality sometimes.
"I think, therefore I am." - Rene Descartes
Reality doesn't care how we perceive it.
brilliant video
If God's goal is truly for us to love him, and if it is achieved by giving us free will, then wouldn't it make sense to make sure that our love for him (or lack of it) is not influenced by a threatening future-perspective such as "hell"? Doesn't this mean that he has failed in providing us true free will?
How can we know what god wants
Or is he real ?
I started to watch this video before watching Westworld, but for some reason I gave up in the beginning. I'm really thankful that I did that otherwise I think I wouldn't have felt the greatness of this show.
A fine video to serve as my introduction to this channel! Very well done. Subscribed.
I absolutely did not pick up on the Man in Black twist until exactly when the show wanted me to, and as a dedicated film nerd that was an impressive accomplishment.
Wisecrack and Kurzgesagt: best crossover in TH-cam´s history!
Kurzgesagt brought me here
Same
+pahom
why is it a shame?
Propaganda? And how do we know for sure the big bang wasn't created by God? Dumbfuck
Congratulations.
pahom When did Wisecrack worked as christian propaganda?
I think by the end of season 2 William or The Man in Black, should get his own TH-cam episode...
Hint hint
As well as all this, I think that where the show shined in character writing is the arc of Ford. It is just so powerful when Ford comes to terms with the fact that the fall of man is coming along with the machines gaining their own free wills.
What does it mean? It means we're done. This is as good as we are going to get.......
15:30 Or just simply: Did Dolores really kill Ford?
Of course she did, what is the point if the character remains alive? The entire message will be destroyed.
Rafael Teles so long she thought she killed him the point still remain.
You guys need to do a philosophy on I AM MOTHER. Its great
FINALLY!!!
This is one of the best commentaries I've seen. I only wish there were more commentators the picked up on the fact that there are heavy Gnostic themes in this show. This one veers more towards the biblical, but it is missing the fact that the themes and types of questions being asked in this show are inherently Gnostic.
very reflective on the statement "love and obedience, if coerced, are meaningless." very interesting.
Do Black Mirror, please :)
So does this mean the second season might possibly draw inspiration from the book of exodus?
I ask this constantly on conspiracy theories, philosophical videos, and to people around me, and I can never get an answer. What's the point in knowing the truth if you can't do anything with it?
You know I've been known to wander off and go soul searching, but I realize every story I've ever had ends the same: with me telling the story back where I started. No matter what I do things will be what they are and nothing changes that.
I can't get a job because I'm not asking for the thing I'm supposed to be doing in this world. I don't know what that thing is.
The point is to gain knowledge about yourself and the world in order to improve your actions and yourself as a person. If you believe there is ultimately no meaning in life, then of course the search for truth doesn't matter, but neither do any other actions so you might as well search for the truth if it interests you.
"But since science, reason, or logic cannot answer "why" questions, we turn to religions."
Then why do you assume based on science there is no meaning to life? If a potential meaning defies scientific explenation, why would there be scientific evidence for it's existence?
If you don't think things exist that defy scientific explenations, I recommend reading "What Is It Like To Be A Bat?" by philosopher Thomas Nagel (the whole essay can be found online).
"The true purpose of life can't be dynamic, or can it?"
But what if the purpose is to become, through conflict and compromise, better human beings and a better society? I don't think any religion has found the definitive answers, but I think the search is important.
+DHager89 Reality consists of people that runs the world, if enough people do something differently you would have a different reality than the previous one. It is not matter of you doing something differently, but it is matter of you doing things differently that would affect other people's lives. It is just like that quote "If you want to change the world, you are looking at the mirror". A small force could a ripple in a water, and great force could cause a tidal wave. Revolution and change are just like fashion trends, if enough people are influence by a specific fashion trend they would eventually create a different style of dress. There is a difference between a thousand years ago unlike today, we now have a technology, a car, an airplane, a computer, the internet, a smartphone, a tablet, etc. Our way of living has change and even what is acceptable or not, but the people itself at the core of their being have not because humanity spend their lives changing and improving things outside of themselves, instead of changing and improving themselves spiritually, mentally, intellectually, humanly, etc.
We're just animals who have developed a language that allows us to makebelieve. Thence, nonsense like philosophy. We should just be contended with our instincts and procreate ad we're intended to do by our genetic code. For example, there's no deeper meaning in mean seeking beautiful women and women seeking strong men that the genetic programing of looking for better partners to have children with and thus perpetuate the species. There's no higher meaning, there's no meaning at all. We just are, like the universe just is.
I'm like. 4 years late. But the concept of this show is extremely brilliant.
I just finished season 2 lol I'm with ya man
Don´t get your hopes up for the 3e season :´(
@@TerrorTerros Season 3 is great
@@wow9107 I respect your opinion, but it´s really not. On it´s own it might be half-way acceptable, but as a sequel to seasons 1 and 2.
It´s full of sci-fi tropes, full of character inconsistencies, altogether lazily written and completely lacking in depth. (again when compared to it´s previous 2 seasons)
@@TerrorTerros Please elaborate
I'm a major fan of Westworld and was raised by a Christian fam and I never even realized this. great vid!
Do an philosophy of Fargo
mmmonday fourteen YAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSS
The person behind wisecrack is a genius.
please do one on sunny in philidelphia
I put forward a more interesting question based on the video’s argument:
Why, when ethics and morality are deemed meaningless given determinism or lack of free will, does the answer need to be violence and destruction?
Why, if nothing that we do matters, does the result have to be disregard for lives, as if destruction and chaos are the only answer?
I think there’s more to it.
HI, Sir Anthony, You are fabulous. Bravo ! Keep on acting becuse you are amazing !
Lmao the show and this analysis make my brain hurt, so many questions and answers I love it though it really makes you think about everything to the tiniest detail they should make another series like this but instead of focusing on morality they focus on the beyond and unknown like space, after death, parallel universes and if myths are actually real or not
Bring yourself back Online...
Do you know where you are?
That's right. This is just a dream.
What do you think of your world?
"But with the repetition comes difference.." I see Deleuze all over it!
Man you guys are good at these. I wish they would air your level of analysis after each episode of the show.
I believe The Maze is the symbol for 'System Error' we see on an electronic pad we see Bernard (The Arnold that Ford created) when Bernard is running a diagnostic on a host.
Came here from Kurz Gesagt. Who else?
Waffleman Sam I found kurzgesagt from here, amazing channel
Stuffed Crust Pizza is a sin against man, God and Italy.
Waltham1892 Sin tastes delicous.
Philosophy of Battlestar Galactica (New series)??
Everyone's depressed and homicidal. The End :)
"good doesn't mean anything unless you are capable to do evil"
Things doesn't got their intrinsic meaning, we attach meaning to events, feelings and symbols. Meaning is an interpretation of raw data that result in narrative story telling. Meaningless action of non stepping on small bug can still be good for the bug, even if we, or the bug don't know about possibility of it, even if nobody recognize or tell that story.
There is a missing element in Westworld metaphysics. The suffering comes from realizing that the world is not the way you want it to be, but that presupposes that you have the capacity to want it to be a certain way-that you have the capacity to want or Desire. Desire is what must come first before true suffering can occur because if you desire nothing then the suffering has no meaning. So the Ford/Weber pyramid needs a level for Desire.