Hi everyone, thanks for watching!! Spoilers incoming. Game audio balance is a little high this time, sorry about that. I'll try to make sure that doesn't happen again. This time, I moved the notes to the top right because I'd heard they were overlapping with TH-cam's subtitles/captions. I also added a subtle sound effect to indicate when a note pops up, for people who are working on another screen and want an indicator that something needs to be read. Balance-wise, enemies made this game a struggle for hunters, especially in Infected Crossroads. The combination of having to use a new movement set which is quite awkward with Hollow Knight's level design, along with PvP, nerfed health and healing, and dodging enemies made it very tricky for them. Hunters were obviously very strong in some situations, but their biggest strength was fast horizontal movement and being able to engage/retreat very quickly, which I countered with Shade Soul. Still ended up being incredibly close -- one of the closest games yet for sure. Not perfect obviously, but I'm pretty happy with how it turned out given the absurd concept. Next time, we'll try to figure out making the game a bit less painful for hunters while still keeping things balanced. 🙂 Speaking of, for next time, we have a new mod that will help to deal with the "transition moments." As much as it's entertaining when they happen, they really do discourage hunters from moving rooms at all, which is terrible for the game and makes it kind of luck-based, too. With this change, there should be a bit more roaming and chasing around the map without supplying the hunters with free information, which is something I'm looking forward to.
Hearing them say 'there's no way he could have gotten to by now' with fire's footage literally walking through the exact place they're talking about will never get old.
@@Peterkampfer I mean, what spoilers? If you read comment section before the video, it's never a commenter's fault, regardless if there are "spoilers" or not.
I love the small pov screen of the hunter occasionally popping up, showing how they just missed fire. It really shows how close they are sometimes to each other, wondering where fire is when they just missed him during a transition 😂
i love the number of like... transition confusions, where one hunter comes in a transition at the same time fire comes from the other transition. I think you wouldn't have won if y'all met each time. So for a suggestion, I'd love seeing you as a hunter with all your speedrunner knowledge, how you would fare in the opposing side.
Super funny to see hunters being too fast for their own good getting to places before fire does and thinking he's already gone or wasn't planning to go there
@@LUCIANOMARMORE Well he only posts his winning runs usually so, the video isn't too long so you usually only see the run fire goes crazy in or where the hunters get unlucky or play badly.
@@Traelothe does his failed runs- he just posts whatever is engaging is all- and if he lost right off the bat, it wouldn’t be. If I remember right, he died at the Uumuu arena once and he still posted that.
That carverhatcher pogo (18:08 - 18:16) was literally insane! Honestly, fun movement stuff like that is one of the reasons I love watching hollow knight content!
That was a really good one! The moving screen of the hunters' perspectives, showing their position in relation to you, really helped emphasize just how close some of those calls were, and made it a lot easier to follow c:
Personally I love the games where fire has to sneak around the much more powerful hunters. I think it'd be really cool to see a match similar to the powers episodes but fire has something that allows him to sneak around the hunters more efficiently
@@ethangoodrich3625 prop hunt as a hiding mechanism- whenever you heal, you also turn into a random area-specific prop until you move again (both hunters and fire would have this power)
This was such a good team of hunters man. Not only did it seem like they had great communication instead of 4 people each doing their own thing for the most part, but this was really entertaining compared to other videos as you could tell these guys were really actually having fun with this challenge.
I don't know how you could make an hour long video when Celeste speedrunners are faster than Sonic, the Flash, and light itself. That's really impressive, excited to see how this is balanced!
@@firemayro maybe above light speed but not comics Flash and game or archie Sonic speed (movie flash speed is inconsistent as f###, boom and movie Sonic suck ass in speed), also firemayro, your name sounds as fire in the hill or hole
32:37 the problem is that fire is so good that it's easy to undestimate him... but is also easy to OVERestimate what he can do. That allowed fire to gaslight them into believing that he could have dream nail.
you know what would be crazy? If on a match fire rushed Isma as much as possible just to confuse the hunters a lot and then sneak somewhere in the middle of their confusion
Very fun concept! I'm so excited to see how this plays out. Potential Spoilers beyond this point: Edit 1: Still early in the video, but the hunters' speed seems to be working against them more than for them, since they go way quicker than Fire, and end up assuming he can't be places that he is because they checked it before he got there. Edit 2: They did a much better job chasing during the second half. And a solid run for his money during Lap 2 Teacher's Archives. I'll be making one more edit once I finish watching the video, but it definitely seems like a Fire win. Final Edit (3): The Celeste movement was very helpful for the hunters' movement, but the nerfed combat abilities seemed to be what really made the hunters struggle. Only having a maximum of 4 HP seemed to make keeping pressure a struggle, and even with the high movement, it seemed they were just generally spreading out more than they could afford to. But even so, they still managed to create some pretty tight spots for Fire! All in all, a very fun one to watch, and I'd definitely be interested in seeing another one of this. (Side note: if you haven't already, try playing with the Celeste Movement mod yourself! It's fun, but can also make clear some of the issues the hunters were having.) :3
11:40 is actually such a big brain moment, him trying to lure any potential hunters that would ambush him in a tiny room would be super deadly in such a case.
I keep waiting for fire to rush dreamgate one of these speedrunner vs hunters game. Would be an awesome "get out of monomon jail free" card even if it's risky as all hell. That being said, this is, as always, amazing content, looking forward to the next one.
Dreamgate requires like, failed champion + lost kin + a couple dream warriors doesn't it? it's kinda a lot, I guess it's not too bad though in a run where he's getting wings already. I wonder if dreamgate might be on the banned list usually, like stags
@@silphv it should be 900 essence, I think it's exactly one of elder hu/xero/gorb +lost kin + failed champ. And I think it was banned on the TE run, but on a normal run, I think the risk of doing any dream fight and getting caught should far outweigh the reward of *maybe* teleporting across the map once or twice. Edit: My math is a bit off. Failed champ is 300 essence, I've really struggled with him on my first playthrough and not as much with lost kin, so in my mind they're permanently both worth 400 essence. 😅 So it's actually two of Elder hu/Gorb/Xero + failed champ + lost kin. That's probably the only practical way of getting there if fire ever commits to it. Maybe there's a way to skip on the 2 dream warriors if he does Galien, that may be a bit more safe in terms of getting caught going for it. Would love to see it even if I think it's supremely impractical.
Fire, that escape and fight after Lurien was insane!! I know you did a heart rate tracker in the past when fighting in a pvp tournament and I thought it'd be sick to see that come back for Hunters vs Speedrunner because my heart was beating fast at that moment 😂. Love your content man, can't wait to see what you post next!❤
Seeing madeline from celeste wavedashing across hollow knight chasing after fire like a demon straight out of hell is not something i expected to see today, but its not unwelcome either!
I miss when the invincible, fearless, sensual, mysterious, enchanting, vigorous, diligent, overwhelming, gorgeous, passionate, terrifying, beautiful, and powerful Zote would always appear and ask you to not help him and die.
I'm so glad this worked so well, I've been thinking for a long while that one thing that could make this genre more interesting is assymetrical movement options, and this was a big push in that direction, along with the super powers idea that's been done a few times. Hyped to see it done again.
Just wanted to say that I REALLY appreciate you putting the music of the video in the description along with everything else that's gotta go there. I wish every TH-camr did that. And the fact that it's now timestamped as well... So, so cool.
This one was insane. I really was getting worried at spire and monomon forgetting that you had already pre killed. And thk was pretty intense as well. Definitely my favorite type of video you make
this episode is awesome. you've made my favourite thing to watch on all of youtube, easily, with this series. the effort and adjustment you continually put in (readjusting balance for both parties to keep it competitive, trying different varieties of 'gimmicks', messing with the meta) is so appreciated, always noticed, and really amazing. something new is always popping up to improve the viewing experience and the viewing experience is baseline excellent. thanks as always for a really good time
It was pretty fun watching the hunters learn on the fly, like at the beginning they were going so fast through rooms that checking them was hard, but then they learned to have more sentry outposts, very cool version of the game.
This was probably the closest and most sneaky one I've seen thus far. So many times you snuck right by them and barely missed eachother, and a few times they got you so close but backed off because they didn't realize you were almost dead or because you finished them lmao.
I'm normally horrible at getting myself to actually comment on videos, even if I enjoy them, but I HAVE to say something about the editing on this video!! Very good and helpful for following along :D Keep it up! 🕺🕺🕺
That's crazy, lol. I love when they try to guess what will you do or where you are. Sometimes they are super right, but other times they are so very wrong. But this time I lol'd when they said that you have few options and they bet you will rush to Vengeful Spirit, because they move so fast and you literally decided to do exactly just that, lmao. Btw, I love that there is no longr 1:30/2:00 hours timer for Speedrunner vs Hunters. I know it's not there for quite a while, but I just got remembered that rule and I'm glad it was changed. One health instead of deducting the timer is better. Death is more punishing, but you also aren't pressured by the time. I am actually surprised you successfully sneaked through Greenpath, given that they are so fast that they could meet you unexpectedely. And the fact that they just left Hornet arena right when you came here is even funnier, lol. How do you always time the room entering so perfectly that when you enter from room A to room B, Hunter is doing the opposite at the same time, so you two don't meet. That's so hilarious, lol. "Might have just gone into Mawlek" You are late few minutes for that, haha. It's crazy how you basically got Cloak and Claw unguarded by them. Sneaky tactic works well. They trying to find you and ask "what would make most sense", meanwhile you getting the Dash Slash that is out of normal sense. You gotta be kidding me. It's third time you and hunter entered the same transition from different side at the same time. Also both lifelines being used literally when you met Hunter right after too... You are some god of luck or what. That seed of doubt whether you have Dream Nail or not... So epic, lmao. Yeah, balancing new ideas is always the hardest. How to make Hunters strong enough, but not too strong. How to make fire have a chance at all.
This was fantastic! The Archives battle was awesome. Loved the part where one of the hunters was guarding the aspid arena and fire managed to sneak past them multiple times haha
This video... like most other... was AWESOME! Love seeing the hunters theory craft for half the movie just trying to figure out where you might be. I do like the mind game of them not having that many audio clues. I'm looking forward for the next one already! :3
That was so much fun to watch, seeing how fast you change your movements and strategy in situations where I would've lost my composure and died was insane. You are the best gamer I've seen!
Nice music choice this time, and also this was a super fun watch! Balance may be something to work on but this seems to have fewer intrinsic issues than normal.
I think a cool idea would be for hunters to have to get their stuff. For example, they don't get dash when you do, they have to get dash themselves. I feel like this would cause them to have to make more decisions about whether to guard something or go for movement or health. Anyway, keep up the good work!
I've been watching Speedrunner vs Hunters serise and each video surprised me everytime but THIS video would definitely be the one most thrilling ever! It was so amazing to see how many time hunters keep lost you in transition XD Thank you SOOO much for such a great video!!!
really liked the balance in this one, information trickle to hunters was really well moderated to keep them guessing without being totally lost (except for the screen transition issues) and combat gave us so many edge of the seat moments. really could have gone either way and i love that
i like how this series has instead of running out of ideas and getting repetitive, it has become more original, creative and more surprising with it's concepts every time bc i can promise you there was never a chance I would've predicted Celeste in Hollow Knight to be the twist for a Speedrunner vs Hunter until I saw the title on the notification on my phone fireb0rn & co. keeping the HK community fed once again this is peak
Man, I remember i was watching your Speedrunners vs Hunters vids on a binge months ago. Enjoyed so much. and you know as the binge goes- you move on to other things, but still positive vibes. Seeing this format, your channel, but Celeste hunters? Insta click and going to watch this. And likely start binging these videos once again :3
Hey Fire. I know these are mainly challenges and not just "for fun" type of hunts. Its fun to watch but you get what I mean. But what if you combined the two gamemodes you had done before? The Hunt and the Among Us one? So youd be hunted by 4 hunters but one of them was a traitor and secretly helping you by either attacking their teammates or giving false information. You would also not know which of the hunters it would be. They could be drawing cards or something to determine which is and isnt a hunter and now none of them know either if they can trust the other. Or you can make it so they dont know from the start but I dont know how fun that would be for the runners to suddenly be backstabbed :o
It'd need to be 5 hunters, but yeah, this sounds super cool. It'd still be a challenge, too. Each of these videos tends to give the hunters some kind of advantage but then balances it out with a disadvantage. In this case, the traitor hunter could be the disadvantage they have. The advantage is 5 hunters, and maybe some other small advantage along with that, since the traitor would be slightly more of a downside than one full hunter. Edit: Actually, thinking about it, the traitor would probably be exposed by the end, in which case they'd actually be fighting with Fire, which is a huge advantage. That means the hunters would need a pretty massive advantage. Early game the traitor would need to at least pretend to fight, though, which means Fire would still be fighting 5 hunters, which, as we saw previously, is a bit unfair, especially if they have an advantage. They'd need some kind of power that's good later game, but not as good earlier...
I got to thank you for these videos. I played Hollow Knight 2 years ago (it's free on PS Plus), and I played for like an hour and wasn't into it at all. It wasn't compelling to me, felt boring. However this is how I started watching these videos of yours. 2 weeks ago watching you inspired me to give it another try, and damn, it really clicked with me this time. I beat the game and I am working towards 112% (just the pantheon 4 and 5 left, but my sanity wants me to take a break so I just started another run, and trying to learn my way around without a map). This game is fantastic and I'll play it for a long time, so thank you.
I cannot remember the last time I was so enthralled with a youtube video. I've never watched any of these hunter runs, but I am gonna have to watch more....
holy shit this is probably my favorite one so far. this was awesome!! the trolling and flexing are hilarious. this is so, so much fun to watch! i'd love to see more of these. the hunters apparently had a rough time, but i dunno how this could be balanced better. this was super fun anyway, i hope it can get even more fun for everyone!
So I recently finished my first playthrough of Hollow Knight (still have P5 and a few speedrun achieves to get) but I started looking into some HK content and came across your channel and man, incredible content. I have been binging most of your videos (currently 4 hours into your All Achieves run) Just wanted to say I’ve become a big fan and I’m really looking forward to more. Thank you for these awesome videos!!!
This already looks insane, can't wait to watch this! P.s. how do you keep getting these ideas to spice up the Speedrunner vs Hunters format? It feels like you would never run out at this point
Really enjoyed the addition of the sound effect for the notes! I’ve enjoyed the series since it started, but have always struggled with my attention being torn visually between this and other tasks, and not wanting to miss any information. I think they could likely stand to be turned up a bit more? Although that might be a side effect of the balancing in this video in particular- which you’ve addressed yourself. Either way, loving the changes!
Man i haven't seen this channel in my feed in a while. The fact that you're still getting 100s of thousands of views on hollow knight content is so sick. Absolute legend of the game.
This was a fantastic match to watch! The tense chase at Watcher's Spire, the stare down and 4v1 at the Archives, and the crazy number of times where hunter and runner happened to just miss each other by going opposite ways through a screen transition all lended a lot of excitement to this installment. :D
A mod came out recently that makes transition glow when a player goes through them. I know a lot of the fun is when hunters just miss the speedrunner because of the transition, and it would buff the hunters, but I wonder what a game of vesselhunt would look like with it.
Those are always so fun to watch, loved this one too ! GG fire, I always admire how you try finding ways to outsmart the hunters, and your gameplay is still very nice to watch. Thanks to the hunters who did a great job as well, the balance is a very hard thing to gauge and this video is no exception. I feel like audio cues are too powerfull for hunters but it did feel like they wouldn't have been too much, not sure what settings could have been changed here to make things more balanced. And big thanks to NearRing for the amazing mod, this looked so fun to play for the hunters.
Hi everyone, thanks for watching!! Spoilers incoming.
Game audio balance is a little high this time, sorry about that. I'll try to make sure that doesn't happen again.
This time, I moved the notes to the top right because I'd heard they were overlapping with TH-cam's subtitles/captions. I also added a subtle sound effect to indicate when a note pops up, for people who are working on another screen and want an indicator that something needs to be read.
Balance-wise, enemies made this game a struggle for hunters, especially in Infected Crossroads. The combination of having to use a new movement set which is quite awkward with Hollow Knight's level design, along with PvP, nerfed health and healing, and dodging enemies made it very tricky for them. Hunters were obviously very strong in some situations, but their biggest strength was fast horizontal movement and being able to engage/retreat very quickly, which I countered with Shade Soul. Still ended up being incredibly close -- one of the closest games yet for sure. Not perfect obviously, but I'm pretty happy with how it turned out given the absurd concept. Next time, we'll try to figure out making the game a bit less painful for hunters while still keeping things balanced. 🙂
Speaking of, for next time, we have a new mod that will help to deal with the "transition moments." As much as it's entertaining when they happen, they really do discourage hunters from moving rooms at all, which is terrible for the game and makes it kind of luck-based, too. With this change, there should be a bit more roaming and chasing around the map without supplying the hunters with free information, which is something I'm looking forward to.
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@@fireb0rn t r a n s i t i o n m o m e n t
ggs :D
Madeline struggling with “transition moments”? Unpossible (giggle)
is this the fabled movement trail ?
Bro last time I visited your channel you were at 48k that's crazy
Hearing them say 'there's no way he could have gotten to by now' with fire's footage literally walking through the exact place they're talking about will never get old.
llove u for no spoilers
literally
They really hit a “unless [exactly what happened,] he couldn’t be [exactly where he is!]”
Indeed
@@Peterkampfer I mean, what spoilers? If you read comment section before the video, it's never a commenter's fault, regardless if there are "spoilers" or not.
18:08 Pogoing on the enemy to go over the hunter to escape is genuinely a stroke of genius
@@momsaccount4033 it's not the first time he's tried this but this is definitely the first time it went how you'd hope it would.
The Pioneers Used To Ride These Babies For Miles xD
It was so cool
I nearly lost my mind, that may be my favorite moment from any of these so far.
@@realpoot7723 "It's not just a boulder... It's a rock!"
Fire keeping in the entire segment where he got hit 3 times in a same room by enemies was awesome
I'm just glad no hunter was around, lol
@@fireb0rnif only there were, the teasing would be legendary
where in the video?
@@antoineschemel8564 25:25
@@fireb0rn The titular God Gamer(TM) everyone
my goodness the speed
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I love the small pov screen of the hunter occasionally popping up, showing how they just missed fire. It really shows how close they are sometimes to each other, wondering where fire is when they just missed him during a transition 😂
Espacially when it moves lol.
Yeah it almost feels unfair how often it happened!
Thanks for inviting me! Never though I'd get to see the day where I play one of my favorite games in another one of my favorite games.
Haha, thank you for playing Phia!
yo dawg I heard you liked Celeste and Hollow Knight so I put Celeste in your Hollow Knight so you can play Celeste while playing Hollow Knight
Was Phia being muted intentional? Looked like they were trying to talk the entire time according to their discord icon.
@@voide8970 they werent muted though
Hunting was an absolute blast, I look forward to future games with new ideas!
Also the sheer number of near-misses this round was WILD.
I'm looking forward to playing again too Math! Thank you for joining!
you absolutely killed it, great comms and solid pvp with a lot of close calls, gg
i love the number of like... transition confusions, where one hunter comes in a transition at the same time fire comes from the other transition. I think you wouldn't have won if y'all met each time. So for a suggestion, I'd love seeing you as a hunter with all your speedrunner knowledge, how you would fare in the opposing side.
Get Hunthussle as the Speedrunner?
Speedrunner vs 4 Hunthusslers
@@electra_ that speedrun would end in Dirtmouth 😅
“Hunter vs 4 speedrunners”
Trans confusion is pretty appropriate for a Celeste-themed video lol.
Yo this was super fun! Thanks for having me! That battle in spire was down the the WIRE
Was a pleasure playing with you, henryst! Thanks for joining!
@@fireb0rn it was a pleasure playing with you too
“That battle in spite was down to the WIRE.”
You’re a poet and didn’t know it.
“The the Wire,” actually 🤓
@@Justjoking-lol You missed me saying 'spite' instead of spire which I thought was funnier.
0:30 This killed me. Just the confirmation that no, this is not sped up, they actually can just go that fast.
Look,Farewell chapter just absolutely BUILDS players different.People do some WILD stuff
Super funny to see hunters being too fast for their own good getting to places before fire does and thinking he's already gone or wasn't planning to go there
Yeah I feel like it messed with their sense of time, like the hunters' internal clock is based on "distance from A to B' and not on real time
@@silphvwhich usually makes sense to do but now they have to think about their speed which means they might actually be at a disadvantage
Fire: Completely throws off the hunters and beats them in combat and stealth
Also Fire: 25:25
@@Jacobturtle was looking for someone to mention this lmao
LOOOOOOOL
And the hunters continue the tradition of using the lifelines at the worst possible time
@@LUCIANOMARMORE Well he only posts his winning runs usually so, the video isn't too long so you usually only see the run fire goes crazy in or where the hunters get unlucky or play badly.
@@Traelot he also did post some lost runs
@@Traelothe does his failed runs- he just posts whatever is engaging is all- and if he lost right off the bat, it wouldn’t be.
If I remember right, he died at the Uumuu arena once and he still posted that.
That carverhatcher pogo (18:08 - 18:16) was literally insane! Honestly, fun movement stuff like that is one of the reasons I love watching hollow knight content!
@@EldaverD he juked me so hard
@@henryst-1Imagine not noticing it right away though? Staying there, waiting for a minute before searching the place and wondering how he escaped?
That was a really good one! The moving screen of the hunters' perspectives, showing their position in relation to you, really helped emphasize just how close some of those calls were, and made it a lot easier to follow c:
i didn't actually realise that was why the hunters' screens kept moving
that's super neat!
39:04
Fire giving the lance sentry a little kiss on 1 hp
Personally I love the games where fire has to sneak around the much more powerful hunters. I think it'd be really cool to see a match similar to the powers episodes but fire has something that allows him to sneak around the hunters more efficiently
@@ethangoodrich3625 prop hunt as a hiding mechanism- whenever you heal, you also turn into a random area-specific prop until you move again (both hunters and fire would have this power)
This was such a good team of hunters man. Not only did it seem like they had great communication instead of 4 people each doing their own thing for the most part, but this was really entertaining compared to other videos as you could tell these guys were really actually having fun with this challenge.
I don't know how you could make an hour long video when Celeste speedrunners are faster than Sonic, the Flash, and light itself. That's really impressive, excited to see how this is balanced!
have you seen sonic players in smash? those games are an hour long each
Sonic restoring time-space with his speed only: yes faster like they could stop time with speed
lmao ok random sonic powerscalers summoned
@@firemayro maybe above light speed but not comics Flash and game or archie Sonic speed (movie flash speed is inconsistent as f###, boom and movie Sonic suck ass in speed), also firemayro, your name sounds as fire in the hill or hole
@@GOAT-ganyu and there's the obligatory uncalled insult
32:37 the problem is that fire is so good that it's easy to undestimate him... but is also easy to OVERestimate what he can do. That allowed fire to gaslight them into believing that he could have dream nail.
you know what would be crazy? If on a match fire rushed Isma as much as possible just to confuse the hunters a lot and then sneak somewhere in the middle of their confusion
39:00 JESUS CHRIST, so many close calls
41:00 hunters scheming and plotting. Love that this is a mind game for both sides. New hunts will get harder and harder as people learn fire's ways
41:49 I bet fire could feel the tension with hunters basically playing defense.
48:50 They might not be the biggest pvpers but they have excellent team work.
Very fun concept! I'm so excited to see how this plays out.
Potential Spoilers beyond this point:
Edit 1: Still early in the video, but the hunters' speed seems to be working against them more than for them, since they go way quicker than Fire, and end up assuming he can't be places that he is because they checked it before he got there.
Edit 2: They did a much better job chasing during the second half. And a solid run for his money during Lap 2 Teacher's Archives. I'll be making one more edit once I finish watching the video, but it definitely seems like a Fire win.
Final Edit (3): The Celeste movement was very helpful for the hunters' movement, but the nerfed combat abilities seemed to be what really made the hunters struggle. Only having a maximum of 4 HP seemed to make keeping pressure a struggle, and even with the high movement, it seemed they were just generally spreading out more than they could afford to. But even so, they still managed to create some pretty tight spots for Fire! All in all, a very fun one to watch, and I'd definitely be interested in seeing another one of this.
(Side note: if you haven't already, try playing with the Celeste Movement mod yourself! It's fun, but can also make clear some of the issues the hunters were having.)
:3
I like how fire is a bug but towers over the madelines
Madeline is a tiny smol creature
the bug is a knight
madeline is a pinball (sometimes)
The accidental miss at 13:55 is so funny and amazing at the same time! Keep it up!
11:40 is actually such a big brain moment, him trying to lure any potential hunters that would ambush him in a tiny room would be super deadly in such a case.
I keep waiting for fire to rush dreamgate one of these speedrunner vs hunters game. Would be an awesome "get out of monomon jail free" card even if it's risky as all hell.
That being said, this is, as always, amazing content, looking forward to the next one.
Dreamgate requires like, failed champion + lost kin + a couple dream warriors doesn't it? it's kinda a lot, I guess it's not too bad though in a run where he's getting wings already. I wonder if dreamgate might be on the banned list usually, like stags
@@silphv Given the sheer commitment required to get it, I feel like it should be allowed
@@silphv it should be 900 essence, I think it's exactly one of elder hu/xero/gorb +lost kin + failed champ. And I think it was banned on the TE run, but on a normal run, I think the risk of doing any dream fight and getting caught should far outweigh the reward of *maybe* teleporting across the map once or twice.
Edit: My math is a bit off. Failed champ is 300 essence, I've really struggled with him on my first playthrough and not as much with lost kin, so in my mind they're permanently both worth 400 essence. 😅 So it's actually two of Elder hu/Gorb/Xero + failed champ + lost kin. That's probably the only practical way of getting there if fire ever commits to it. Maybe there's a way to skip on the 2 dream warriors if he does Galien, that may be a bit more safe in terms of getting caught going for it. Would love to see it even if I think it's supremely impractical.
I love it whenever the hunters go "he can't be in [location]"
While fire is exactly in said location
13:50 lol they both went through the transition at the same time
23:55 Another One
you can't make that shit up
Fire, that escape and fight after Lurien was insane!! I know you did a heart rate tracker in the past when fighting in a pvp tournament and I thought it'd be sick to see that come back for Hunters vs Speedrunner because my heart was beating fast at that moment 😂. Love your content man, can't wait to see what you post next!❤
hadn't even considered busting that out again. If I remember, I'll use it for the next one. Thank you!
24:29 "i domt think he couldve gotten to crossroads" fireborn currently in crossroads
This one was really good fun to watch!
Seeing madeline from celeste wavedashing across hollow knight chasing after fire like a demon straight out of hell is not something i expected to see today, but its not unwelcome either!
I miss when the invincible, fearless, sensual, mysterious, enchanting, vigorous, diligent, overwhelming, gorgeous, passionate, terrifying, beautiful, and powerful Zote would always appear and ask you to not help him and die.
The amount of Solid Snake moments in the beginning where you were barely avoiding their sightlines was insane, actually. That was really sick.
I'm so glad this worked so well, I've been thinking for a long while that one thing that could make this genre more interesting is assymetrical movement options, and this was a big push in that direction, along with the super powers idea that's been done a few times. Hyped to see it done again.
Just wanted to say that I REALLY appreciate you putting the music of the video in the description along with everything else that's gotta go there. I wish every TH-camr did that. And the fact that it's now timestamped as well... So, so cool.
So many times where you and a hunter passed transitions at the exact same time... wow.
Legendary video as per usual
This one was insane. I really was getting worried at spire and monomon forgetting that you had already pre killed. And thk was pretty intense as well. Definitely my favorite type of video you make
this episode is awesome. you've made my favourite thing to watch on all of youtube, easily, with this series. the effort and adjustment you continually put in (readjusting balance for both parties to keep it competitive, trying different varieties of 'gimmicks', messing with the meta) is so appreciated, always noticed, and really amazing. something new is always popping up to improve the viewing experience and the viewing experience is baseline excellent. thanks as always for a really good time
Wow, very good hunters this time, and Fire handled that Teachers archives ambush perfectly, I thought he was going to die there
It was pretty fun watching the hunters learn on the fly, like at the beginning they were going so fast through rooms that checking them was hard, but then they learned to have more sentry outposts, very cool version of the game.
The amount of times you passed them as you both went through a transition from opposite sides or near misses is wild! Really fun video!
Love the attention to detail in this mod that when Madeline uses the crystal heart ability, it's the red bubble.
This was probably the closest and most sneaky one I've seen thus far. So many times you snuck right by them and barely missed eachother, and a few times they got you so close but backed off because they didn't realize you were almost dead or because you finished them lmao.
Really enjoying all these new Speedrunner vs. Hunters! Always makes me happy to see a notification of a new one :D
the hunters' predictions were so on point this run, henry checking dream nail at the perfect moment was incredible lmao, amazing video as always!
Great vid, absolutely adore that the position of the hunter screen shows where compared to you they are!
I'm normally horrible at getting myself to actually comment on videos, even if I enjoy them, but I HAVE to say something about the editing on this video!! Very good and helpful for following along :D Keep it up! 🕺🕺🕺
this seemed really fun for you guys to do because they hunters were decently nerfed like attack wise
That's crazy, lol.
I love when they try to guess what will you do or where you are. Sometimes they are super right, but other times they are so very wrong.
But this time I lol'd when they said that you have few options and they bet you will rush to Vengeful Spirit, because they move so fast and you literally decided to do exactly just that, lmao.
Btw, I love that there is no longr 1:30/2:00 hours timer for Speedrunner vs Hunters. I know it's not there for quite a while, but I just got remembered that rule and I'm glad it was changed. One health instead of deducting the timer is better. Death is more punishing, but you also aren't pressured by the time.
I am actually surprised you successfully sneaked through Greenpath, given that they are so fast that they could meet you unexpectedely.
And the fact that they just left Hornet arena right when you came here is even funnier, lol.
How do you always time the room entering so perfectly that when you enter from room A to room B, Hunter is doing the opposite at the same time, so you two don't meet. That's so hilarious, lol.
"Might have just gone into Mawlek"
You are late few minutes for that, haha.
It's crazy how you basically got Cloak and Claw unguarded by them. Sneaky tactic works well.
They trying to find you and ask "what would make most sense", meanwhile you getting the Dash Slash that is out of normal sense.
You gotta be kidding me. It's third time you and hunter entered the same transition from different side at the same time. Also both lifelines being used literally when you met Hunter right after too... You are some god of luck or what.
That seed of doubt whether you have Dream Nail or not... So epic, lmao.
Yeah, balancing new ideas is always the hardest. How to make Hunters strong enough, but not too strong. How to make fire have a chance at all.
i love how the location of the little boxes with hunter footage show where they are in relation to you
This was fantastic! The Archives battle was awesome. Loved the part where one of the hunters was guarding the aspid arena and fire managed to sneak past them multiple times haha
i am incredibly happy over the umineko music and i hope you include more of them because they're bangers
42:10 goldenslaughter
41:35 that goldenslaughterer though👌👌
25:25 Fire's worst laser room ever! Made me laugh out loud when he got hit by the third one and immediately cut away.
No freaking way.
The twists are starting to show up.
We are truly watching Hollow Knight manhunts now.
No words were exchanged and Fire still managed to gaslight them into thinking he had dreamnail
This video... like most other... was AWESOME!
Love seeing the hunters theory craft for half the movie just trying to figure out where you might be. I do like the mind game of them not having that many audio clues.
I'm looking forward for the next one already! :3
STOP EVERYTHING
Hollow Knight - Speedrunner vs. 4 Hunters from Celeste JUST DROPPED
That was so much fun to watch, seeing how fast you change your movements and strategy in situations where I would've lost my composure and died was insane. You are the best gamer I've seen!
The number of times you accidently transition juked in the early game was amazing
Nice music choice this time, and also this was a super fun watch! Balance may be something to work on but this seems to have fewer intrinsic issues than normal.
YES! I’ve been waiting for this. Thank you, Fire.
i love that u always include the one track with the cool horn rips in these videos, as a horn player it makes my brain happy
I think a cool idea would be for hunters to have to get their stuff. For example, they don't get dash when you do, they have to get dash themselves. I feel like this would cause them to have to make more decisions about whether to guard something or go for movement or health. Anyway, keep up the good work!
I've been watching Speedrunner vs Hunters serise and each video surprised me everytime but THIS video would definitely be the one most thrilling ever!
It was so amazing to see how many time hunters keep lost you in transition XD
Thank you SOOO much for such a great video!!!
really liked the balance in this one, information trickle to hunters was really well moderated to keep them guessing without being totally lost (except for the screen transition issues) and combat gave us so many edge of the seat moments. really could have gone either way and i love that
That was so much fun !
Thank you for all the work you’ve been putting in these videos, I know for a fact I am not the only one which appreciates it !
I got some sixth sense that the video had come out and purposefully searched for it. Crazy timing
@@zacharyleffel3123 brother you might be suffering from some form of mental illness
i like how this series has instead of running out of ideas and getting repetitive, it has become more original, creative and more surprising with it's concepts every time bc i can promise you there was never a chance I would've predicted Celeste in Hollow Knight to be the twist for a Speedrunner vs Hunter until I saw the title on the notification on my phone
fireb0rn & co. keeping the HK community fed once again this is peak
Man, I remember i was watching your Speedrunners vs Hunters vids on a binge months ago. Enjoyed so much. and you know as the binge goes- you move on to other things, but still positive vibes.
Seeing this format, your channel, but Celeste hunters? Insta click and going to watch this. And likely start binging these videos once again :3
Hey Fire. I know these are mainly challenges and not just "for fun" type of hunts. Its fun to watch but you get what I mean. But what if you combined the two gamemodes you had done before? The Hunt and the Among Us one? So youd be hunted by 4 hunters but one of them was a traitor and secretly helping you by either attacking their teammates or giving false information. You would also not know which of the hunters it would be. They could be drawing cards or something to determine which is and isnt a hunter and now none of them know either if they can trust the other. Or you can make it so they dont know from the start but I dont know how fun that would be for the runners to suddenly be backstabbed :o
Or 5 hunters but 1 is the traitor if that's possible.
It'd need to be 5 hunters, but yeah, this sounds super cool. It'd still be a challenge, too. Each of these videos tends to give the hunters some kind of advantage but then balances it out with a disadvantage. In this case, the traitor hunter could be the disadvantage they have. The advantage is 5 hunters, and maybe some other small advantage along with that, since the traitor would be slightly more of a downside than one full hunter.
Edit: Actually, thinking about it, the traitor would probably be exposed by the end, in which case they'd actually be fighting with Fire, which is a huge advantage. That means the hunters would need a pretty massive advantage. Early game the traitor would need to at least pretend to fight, though, which means Fire would still be fighting 5 hunters, which, as we saw previously, is a bit unfair, especially if they have an advantage. They'd need some kind of power that's good later game, but not as good earlier...
I really like the idea! maybe the role of treator could be assigned during the game after gating the first spell ?
i really appreciate the subtitles for your commentary being at the top of the video this time, makes them much easier to read
I got to thank you for these videos. I played Hollow Knight 2 years ago (it's free on PS Plus), and I played for like an hour and wasn't into it at all. It wasn't compelling to me, felt boring. However this is how I started watching these videos of yours. 2 weeks ago watching you inspired me to give it another try, and damn, it really clicked with me this time. I beat the game and I am working towards 112% (just the pantheon 4 and 5 left, but my sanity wants me to take a break so I just started another run, and trying to learn my way around without a map). This game is fantastic and I'll play it for a long time, so thank you.
I cannot remember the last time I was so enthralled with a youtube video. I've never watched any of these hunter runs, but I am gonna have to watch more....
The umineko soundtrack at 41:00 is sending me
The editing for this video is incredible, looks like a ton of good work went in to it
40:51 jumpscared by "goldenslaughterer" in the BGM
holy shit this is probably my favorite one so far. this was awesome!! the trolling and flexing are hilarious. this is so, so much fun to watch! i'd love to see more of these.
the hunters apparently had a rough time, but i dunno how this could be balanced better. this was super fun anyway, i hope it can get even more fun for everyone!
Umineko music has been recognized, good to know the Hollow Knight community has dabbled in peak
So I recently finished my first playthrough of Hollow Knight (still have P5 and a few speedrun achieves to get) but I started looking into some HK content and came across your channel and man, incredible content. I have been binging most of your videos (currently 4 hours into your All Achieves run)
Just wanted to say I’ve become a big fan and I’m really looking forward to more. Thank you for these awesome videos!!!
This already looks insane, can't wait to watch this!
P.s. how do you keep getting these ideas to spice up the Speedrunner vs Hunters format? It feels like you would never run out at this point
Really enjoyed the addition of the sound effect for the notes! I’ve enjoyed the series since it started, but have always struggled with my attention being torn visually between this and other tasks, and not wanting to miss any information. I think they could likely stand to be turned up a bit more? Although that might be a side effect of the balancing in this video in particular- which you’ve addressed yourself. Either way, loving the changes!
Uranium is a good alternative to cereal👍
True, radiaton tastes so good
Why is this a comment…
It's less likely to kill you!
@@life-destiny119642
Man i haven't seen this channel in my feed in a while. The fact that you're still getting 100s of thousands of views on hollow knight content is so sick. Absolute legend of the game.
The Mario Galaxy Comet music made this very fun!
panning the opponent views past you when there are near misses is SUCH a good touch. kudos to you (or your editor if you have one) for that
3:00 DAMN THAT BAULDER SPIT LUCK WAS IMPRESSIVELY BAD
This was a fantastic match to watch! The tense chase at Watcher's Spire, the stare down and 4v1 at the Archives, and the crazy number of times where hunter and runner happened to just miss each other by going opposite ways through a screen transition all lended a lot of excitement to this installment. :D
A mod came out recently that makes transition glow when a player goes through them. I know a lot of the fun is when hunters just miss the speedrunner because of the transition, and it would buff the hunters, but I wonder what a game of vesselhunt would look like with it.
That was made by MathGeek! I commissioned it haha
@@fireb0rn oh LOL
@@fireb0rn My friend gets lost a lot so its been helping our playthrough lol. Thanks to MathGeek for making it and thank you for commisioning it! o7
Love the Speedrunner v Hunters vids, and this time it's combined with Celeste, another game I hold dear to my heart! What a great gift!
I was playing Celeste rn bro you're too good
This was incredible I never knew you could combine my two favorite games so well!
The confusion on isma's was hilarious.
Those are always so fun to watch, loved this one too ! GG fire, I always admire how you try finding ways to outsmart the hunters, and your gameplay is still very nice to watch. Thanks to the hunters who did a great job as well, the balance is a very hard thing to gauge and this video is no exception. I feel like audio cues are too powerfull for hunters but it did feel like they wouldn't have been too much, not sure what settings could have been changed here to make things more balanced. And big thanks to NearRing for the amazing mod, this looked so fun to play for the hunters.
The ultimate trans vs nb showdown
The transition syncs in this game were insane. Amazing video as always Fire!
Alternative title: Some guy who knows tricks and routes vs 4 super sonics
awesome video!!! the editing on these is always top-notch. had me on the edge of my seat, especially toward the end
the hunters definitely keep momentum more then in celeste