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@@stormstrike4351 Well yeah, but that is why the rules for speed runner vs hunters has changed over time, things were too easy for one side vs the other so things got changed to what they are now.
Shelby was absolutely on point w the callouts this game, i loved every time it cut to fire doing some bizarre sneaky move and she described exactly what he was doing
5 years later: Hollow Knight - Blindfolded Speedrunner vs. 50 Hunters on Steel Soul with Glass Soul and All Bindings mods, All Achievements run (Team Cherry give us Silksong please)
@@ferociousmaliciousghost Not just any Mario mind you, Speedrunner Mario. Have you ever seen that Jet Lee movie, The One? Well, it's kind of like that, except, maybe not really. Point is, of all the Mario's across the Parallel and Quarter Parallel Universes, he is That Motherfucker. Video Games are meant to be played in any way one can manage to play them, no one debates on what is the canonical series of micro events down to the exact order of button presses of a game, gameplay is not story, but what if it was? Games are not just played once but many times over and over again, each time slightly different from the last, resulting in a vast multiverse of ever so slightly off "runs" through a game. Speedrunner Mario isn't just any one of these slightly off Mario's, he is a theoretical perfect Mario from a world where speedrunning strats were canonically used to beat every game, and all the disastrous implications that come with such a reality being canonized. When Niche Tech becomes the norm.
@@redactedoktor He's the Mario that has used every last drop of his potential. I think every Mario can do this, but Speedrunner Mario is the only to unlock this.
@@Pdl9live Usually when you do the Queen's Garden Acid skip, you are going from Fog Canyon into Queen's Gardens. Saying it is reversed is just saying they are now going from Queen's Gardens to Fog Canyon instead.
it's so funny to me that *SPOILER* he gets howling wraiths and never uses it once, but also I don't think the hunters ever figured out that you got fragile heart
No literally!!! During the Uumuu fight, I was screaming "Use Wraiths!!!" the entire time because still deals damage and, I think, is better than using Spirit, since it seems like trapping Uumuu under a platform and just screaming at it will deal more/constant damage.
@zenonempire3562 I also noticed, especially the part when he's below Uumuu, though I think he's playing safe, keeping his soul in case of more hunters joined in on the fight
I do like that you still leave in the runs where you die early to show that no they’re not just letting you power up to make it a more entertaining video, but it’s always extremely entertaining!
Though I do miss the chaos of Stag Stations, I think this is the perfected ruleset for manhunts. I kinda wish Fire had survived that first game with the hunters not knowing he had picked up City Crest, since that would've made for a really interesting midgame. Alas, it was not meant to be.
this is probably the most (seemingly) competent set of hunters so far, of course hindsight is 20/20 and we are seeing this from fire's perspective, so some seemingly bad decisions make sense in the moment
I've gotta say, showing the times you lost gives a ton more entertainment and validation that these matches aren't staged, makes the times you do win feel earned and rewarding, not just for you, but for us who're sitting on the edge of our seat in these engagements that get down to the wire. Plenty of 'hunters vs x' only show the wins, so they end up feeling fake after awhile.
this is a totally niche request, but i absolutely love these vids and often watch them while doing other things. i frequently miss the notes and have to rewind to make sure i didnt, so a subtle sound cue would be super cool. definitely not a necessary change, and great vid overall, as always ❤❤
Fire, I love these videos - the notes make things so much more accessible to me as someone who doesn't necessarily know high-level Hollow Knight strats or have an idea of your gameplan. Thank you for adding them!
Spoilers: Fireborn dying twice that early is a bit surprising, but it makes sense since early game you’re still rather vulnerable and have no real advantages over the hunters, and while rushing bosses can get you the element of surprise, if the surprise fails you just aren’t capable of winning the 4v1 that early, and this group of hunters was also quite sharp.
Mhm also he has less places to go so knowing what fire is going to do or be is not a big surprise early game is super hard until he gets claw or at the very least gets into greenpath his options are so limited
Was a fun time hunting you, fire!! Hope to do it again sometime!! :) Edit: You're a madman, it was insane to watch the crazy shenanigans you pulled off!
Please keep making these. This series is one of my absolute favorites. It's so fun to be hearing them guessing at what you're doing, often guessing it as you were doing it, and just to see how you handle so much chaos is always wild and fun.
I love when you successfully sneak past Hunters, like when you did the False Knight without them noticing. The best part is that they thought you skipped False Knight, but you actually got the City Crest. I love that they are not aware that you have Longnail and that's why you are so effective against them haha. Third time's a charm.
What I like about this series in comparison to Dream's who started trend is that it always feels like there's stakes. While Dream's vids aren't scripted, a lot of the losses are cut out, so it feels that Dream wins way more times than not, therefore stakes don't really feel as intense without the implementing of movie-style cuts and music. In comparison to Fireborn's series, all wins and losses, no matter how big nor how small, are posted, meaning there's always a sense of urgency. The feeling of stakes never really goes away, making each one enjoyable to watch.
What i love about your Speedrunner vs Hunter is that you upload the games where you loose as well, and even ones like these where you lose at the beginning you usually change up your strategy and it's just interesting to see your problem solving throughout it all
Hey fireborn, i have an awesome speedrunner vs hunter video idea, it's like normal but everyone (both speedrunner and hunters) start with nothing but item sync is turned on between both parties, meaning they could get something at the cost of upgrading you, or you could upgrade at the cost of letting them know where you are
I think it'd be horrible especially if the hunters knew. Camping is already super boring early game, camp False Knight camp Greenpath Entrance Camp Greenpath Chokepoints camp Claw... No reason to add one more camp.
@@acticlacid Thats actually a great idea. Assign points to bosses lets him kill any combo of bosses he wants and makes his path alot less predictable. This could give an edge to him that lets the hunters be given a bit more power so they don't have to constantly fight so disadvantaged.
I'm playing the game for the first time and I'm just simply impressed seeing the things you experienced players can do. This was impressive and fun to watch.
"How many grubs are there in Crossroads" TK was losing it because they were the 6th grub. Also the "I'm going to head to Crypts. It's the fastest route," part. Dude it was your _only_ route at that point, was it not? No Stag, no Tram Pass, and the Blue Lake shortcut wasn't unlocked yet.
This was really well edited. After finishing the original again video, I assumed you would win because this was longer. To my surprise you died twice so I thought you weren't going to win based on time. Well done!
I got in the situation that caused the end to the first game. I tried menu dropping to get away faster, and died to a tictic. What an honorable way to go.
Would love to see a game where right at the start Fire hides at fury and just let's them think he has gotta skills so they move on then he blitzes through easily and catches up to them
That gives hunters time to set up ambushes as said before, while also having two people patrolling for free. Giving away too much tempo for a cheeky at best bit.
Just a random thought because of some other people, why not do like a 1 hunter vs 3 runners but with a point system, note before reading any more, yea this means game sessions will take forever since we need to go through 4 hunters, but I think it's a fun mode. 1. Every person will get a chance to be a hunter while the rest become runners 2. Runners have only 1 life while hunter has inf, of course hunters will have less HP than runners (I'd say like how it is here, 3 mask to start, then 5 when claw gets picked up) 3. Every runner the hunter kills is 1 point, but if the hunter kills them all they get 4 points instead. 4. Each runner that survives when one of them completes the game earns that many points for the whole team (so if 2/3 people survive when the game ends all of them get 2 points) 5. Final extra 1 or 2 points to the runner that completed the game the fastest and the hunter that killed everyone the fastest/most kills Person with most points win. Ofc u can also have a ban system so the hunter isn't screwed, but I think this is a decent basline
this series is really fun! my only suggestion is that maybe it should be harder to stop the speedrunner before they get to greenpath, but also easier to stop them after the get past claw because its a lot more fun to see the game go on past claw, but it doesn't really seem very balanced, you were never in any major danger of losing after claw
Thank you! But I wouldn't advise anyone to make sweeping judgments about the rules based off just one game. For example, the last uploaded game used the exact same rules, and I had insane equipment going into THK and died. If everyone judged based off that alone, the late game rules are suddenly extremely hunter favored, which is quite the difference from being unloseable for the speedrunner. In reality, these rules are closer to balanced in the mid to late game, but the speedrunner role is pretty demanding mechanically whereas the hunters are very demanding in terms of decision making. I know that the early game is hard, but I died because I made bad decisions both times, so I don't agree that the rules needing to change. It's not as simple as just tweaking values; any of the changes that could happen have an impact on the rest of the game. The rules in this video added Infected Crossroads on start for hunters, which was meant to balance the early game without impacting anything else. A problem was that I didn't really take advantage of it and instead chose to brawl in the first game and immediately died. I made adjustments to my strategy and made it out in the final game.
I will add that I've been working on the rules for years, so it sucks when people immediately leap to "they're broken" based off single moments in a single video. The fact that these rules work at all in a game that wasn't designed for multiplayer and with players of vastly different skill levels is a miracle. Feels like people expect perfection out of the balance in these videos, which I guess shouldn't be surprising given that they're inspired by content from a known cheater in the speedrunning community lmao.
@@fireb0rn yeah thats a fair point. despite the fact that I've kept up with every video in this series you're the one who was actually playing so my judgement will by default be worse and when you boil it all down luck is a very big factor in this and good luck for either party can make the game seem very skewed towards that side. Good job on making something that works this well. Now make a version balanced for true ending 😈 (in all seriousness that would be really fun to see but idk how realistic that would be to make happen)
I appreciate the understanding! Sorry if I came off a little defensive. Been seeing several "these rules suck!" type comments, which wasn't really what you were saying. 😅 True Ending is coming soon. I'm definitely making it happen before Silksong!
I would say id love to see a little more of your post game discussion and hear how people react to you telling them what things you did. Thwy never caught on to you getting fragile heart, so hearing their reactions would be great But also Great video, i dont think any of the steel soul runs have been this close till now!!
I’d love to see a true ending speedrunner vs hunters (obviously not in steel soul yet). Seeing all the different strats that go behind it would be sick
I would like to see a manhunt with just regular hollow knight rules so that everyone can get anything, however hunters have synced inventories and fire has his own. It would probably require everyone seeing each other on the map at all times. I think it would be fun if he just rushed VS and hunters now cant get to Greenpath until they get their own.
2 things: 1: This is probably my second favourite fireb0rn series; second to God Gamers 2: I really like how he shows the short match first to remind us how the game is played
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Well, now I can favorite it a second time. Thanks mang
thanks for the explanation! thought I was going senile
Again hahahahaah😂😂
Still going to fully rewatch it cause these videos are gold.
Lol I figured something like that was up. I watched it halfway through and then couldn't find it 😂😂
Hmmm, it might be time to do the inverse. Where multiple players try to beat Hollow Knight while Fire hunts them down one by one.
That would be really cool
Dead by Daylight in Hollow Knight
I want that
Very interesting idea. It might be difficult to balance, though, so it could take some time to implement.
@@stormstrike4351 Well yeah, but that is why the rules for speed runner vs hunters has changed over time, things were too easy for one side vs the other so things got changed to what they are now.
Shelby was absolutely on point w the callouts this game, i loved every time it cut to fire doing some bizarre sneaky move and she described exactly what he was doing
The great slash call AS the screen popped up was peak tbhz
5 years later: Hollow Knight - Blindfolded Speedrunner vs. 50 Hunters on Steel Soul with Glass Soul and All Bindings mods, All Achievements run (Team Cherry give us Silksong please)
not long ago they put the game on the Microsoft Store and it had an indicative rating so the hope of being close is here
exactly what I was thinking lol
Translation: Goku gets trapped in the Time Chamber for 1000 years and becomes an omnipotent god!
Silk song would be about 5 percent done
The hunters trying to get to false knight :
Fire already at mound : I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you.
I love how a crackhead animator’s anime Mario became permanent meme culture
@@Average_enjoyer_of_hkBut first we need to talk about *PARALLEL UNIVERSES*
@@Average_enjoyer_of_hkCrackhead? That was just them animating Mario as accurate as humanly possible.
@@ferociousmaliciousghost Not just any Mario mind you, Speedrunner Mario. Have you ever seen that Jet Lee movie, The One? Well, it's kind of like that, except, maybe not really. Point is, of all the Mario's across the Parallel and Quarter Parallel Universes, he is That Motherfucker. Video Games are meant to be played in any way one can manage to play them, no one debates on what is the canonical series of micro events down to the exact order of button presses of a game, gameplay is not story, but what if it was? Games are not just played once but many times over and over again, each time slightly different from the last, resulting in a vast multiverse of ever so slightly off "runs" through a game. Speedrunner Mario isn't just any one of these slightly off Mario's, he is a theoretical perfect Mario from a world where speedrunning strats were canonically used to beat every game, and all the disastrous implications that come with such a reality being canonized. When Niche Tech becomes the norm.
@@redactedoktor He's the Mario that has used every last drop of his potential. I think every Mario can do this, but Speedrunner Mario is the only to unlock this.
Hunters: He could have done a reverse QGA
Fire: So I did a reverse QGA
what is QGA?
@@4t5uk06 Queen's Garden Acid skip
@@RayneworldAnd what is reverse QGA?
@@Pdl9live Usually when you do the Queen's Garden Acid skip, you are going from Fog Canyon into Queen's Gardens. Saying it is reversed is just saying they are now going from Queen's Gardens to Fog Canyon instead.
it's so funny to me that *SPOILER* he gets howling wraiths and never uses it once, but also I don't think the hunters ever figured out that you got fragile heart
I KNOW, I was thinking about it the whole time! Maybe he's just not used to using it.
No literally!!! During the Uumuu fight, I was screaming "Use Wraiths!!!" the entire time because still deals damage and, I think, is better than using Spirit, since it seems like trapping Uumuu under a platform and just screaming at it will deal more/constant damage.
i got jumpscared by your cultist simulator profile picture
@zenonempire3562 I also noticed, especially the part when he's below Uumuu, though I think he's playing safe, keeping his soul in case of more hunters joined in on the fight
I do like that you still leave in the runs where you die early to show that no they’re not just letting you power up to make it a more entertaining video, but it’s always extremely entertaining!
why the hell are you here triforce 😭
@@sarbithinu 💀
These "speedrunner vs hunters" videos will never NOT be entertaining, we can admire the skills while having a good laugh. Perfect. 👏
Alternative title: "Fireborn wiggles through elevators and makes hunters cry".
Every time there's an upward movement section he just takes off and no one can keep up.
"I wonder if he's going to do reverse QGA."
Subtitles not a second later: "I'm going to do reverse QGA."
Though I do miss the chaos of Stag Stations, I think this is the perfected ruleset for manhunts.
I kinda wish Fire had survived that first game with the hunters not knowing he had picked up City Crest, since that would've made for a really interesting midgame. Alas, it was not meant to be.
Yes, I shamelessly copied my comment from the original video and reposted it here.
@@ZombieManF You hit me with déjà vu, I thought I'd see the comment before and I was right xd
they shouldn't have let him out of crossroads lol
this is probably the most (seemingly) competent set of hunters so far, of course hindsight is 20/20 and we are seeing this from fire's perspective, so some seemingly bad decisions make sense in the moment
I've gotta say, showing the times you lost gives a ton more entertainment and validation that these matches aren't staged, makes the times you do win feel earned and rewarding, not just for you, but for us who're sitting on the edge of our seat in these engagements that get down to the wire. Plenty of 'hunters vs x' only show the wins, so they end up feeling fake after awhile.
It only took three runs, and a little "pity" on their part. And *_THAT_* was their undoing.
Fire: Get wraiths
Also Fire : Never use wraiths
I was looking for this comment
this is a totally niche request, but i absolutely love these vids and often watch them while doing other things.
i frequently miss the notes and have to rewind to make sure i didnt, so a subtle sound cue would be super cool.
definitely not a necessary change, and great vid overall, as always ❤❤
I second this! I’m often looking at the vid now and then and i cant tell if i’ve missed notes because they’re interesting
Agreed!
Fire, I love these videos - the notes make things so much more accessible to me as someone who doesn't necessarily know high-level Hollow Knight strats or have an idea of your gameplan. Thank you for adding them!
Bro has to make another hunters vs speedrunner every 5-10 days to distract himself while waiting from silksong
Spoilers:
Fireborn dying twice that early is a bit surprising, but it makes sense since early game you’re still rather vulnerable and have no real advantages over the hunters, and while rushing bosses can get you the element of surprise, if the surprise fails you just aren’t capable of winning the 4v1 that early, and this group of hunters was also quite sharp.
Mhm also he has less places to go so knowing what fire is going to do or be is not a big surprise early game is super hard until he gets claw or at the very least gets into greenpath his options are so limited
Not only is it again, it’s again again.
Not only is it again again, it's again again again
46:39 "Hey what's up, everyone, welcome to this new rando"
YES
Mossy petsss
Was a fun time hunting you, fire!! Hope to do it again sometime!! :)
Edit: You're a madman, it was insane to watch the crazy shenanigans you pulled off!
"I bet he's going to do reverse QGA"
"I'm going to do reverse QGA"
If this format is done again - rushing dreamnail and getting dreamshield to beat the baldur seems like a really fun way to confuse the hunters!
Mantisless dashless Blue Lake skip? That's gonna be real fucking tough though
Longnail Baldur kill is possible I think?
god i cant get enough of these videos. that 4 hunters + watcher knights fight was INSAAAAAAAANE
i cant wait to see this done in silksong in another 65 billiion years
Please keep making these. This series is one of my absolute favorites. It's so fun to be hearing them guessing at what you're doing, often guessing it as you were doing it, and just to see how you handle so much chaos is always wild and fun.
I love when you successfully sneak past Hunters, like when you did the False Knight without them noticing. The best part is that they thought you skipped False Knight, but you actually got the City Crest.
I love that they are not aware that you have Longnail and that's why you are so effective against them haha.
Third time's a charm.
"What if he does reverse QGA?"
*"I am going to do reverse QGA."*
What I like about this series in comparison to Dream's who started trend is that it always feels like there's stakes.
While Dream's vids aren't scripted, a lot of the losses are cut out, so it feels that Dream wins way more times than not, therefore stakes don't really feel as intense without the implementing of movie-style cuts and music.
In comparison to Fireborn's series, all wins and losses, no matter how big nor how small, are posted, meaning there's always a sense of urgency.
The feeling of stakes never really goes away, making each one enjoyable to watch.
Yeah, the whole not knowing whether fire is gonna win or lose definitely helps these be interesting
I wont complain, another reason to not sleep
Loved the rules in this one, Steel soul is definitely much more interesting premise to me than the time limit. Give us 100% completion vs 4 hunters!
I like how the Hunter's went "We should let Fire in Greenpath so it's more fun" and then immediately started trying to win instead.
I like the inclusion of the two short rounds at the beginning of this one :) great video! These are fun to watch.
What i love about your Speedrunner vs Hunter is that you upload the games where you loose as well, and even ones like these where you lose at the beginning you usually change up your strategy and it's just interesting to see your problem solving throughout it all
Hey fireborn, i have an awesome speedrunner vs hunter video idea, it's like normal but everyone (both speedrunner and hunters) start with nothing but item sync is turned on between both parties, meaning they could get something at the cost of upgrading you, or you could upgrade at the cost of letting them know where you are
the subtitles u add fire makes this video so much enjoyable
Still think a boss hit-list would be a neat idea. Can incorporate new tactics and change routing if you are required to kill Hive Knight or something
YES
I think it'd be horrible especially if the hunters knew. Camping is already super boring early game, camp False Knight camp Greenpath Entrance Camp Greenpath Chokepoints camp Claw... No reason to add one more camp.
@@Turcepique could maybe alleviate that issue by assigning points to bosses and having a point threshold he needs to reach or something
@@acticlacid Thats actually a great idea. Assign points to bosses lets him kill any combo of bosses he wants and makes his path alot less predictable. This could give an edge to him that lets the hunters be given a bit more power so they don't have to constantly fight so disadvantaged.
The hunters are getting wallcling storage by accident, impressive how the first 2 runs even got as far as they did
I'm glad there was a rematch
istg if this series turns into a rematch, a finale rematch, a grand finale and a grand finale rematch
So much more entertaining when the hunters are actually competent like this
31:02 this whole chase is just ridiculous i love it HAHA
I can’t even beat half of the bosses without dying and this guy’s over here doing it as an afterthought 😭
The hunters trying to get to false knight :
Fire already at mound : I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you.
I find it hilarious that the hunters are considering Fire having done a shadeskip-in steel soul mode 😂
that watcher knight fight was genuinely crazy
I think he must have forgotten about Wraiths. He didn't even use it on Uumuu. By the way loved the games!
Yall Should Add in the overpowered things again, ddark, nail arts, etc, but let the hunters also collect upgrades if they want to
Not on steel soul though, obvs. It was a lot more fun to watch when there were more options for what to collect to get stronger
I'm playing the game for the first time and I'm just simply impressed seeing the things you experienced players can do. This was impressive and fun to watch.
45:44 "i think he will go reverse QGA" fire speach to text : "i am going for a reverse QGA"
"How many grubs are there in Crossroads" TK was losing it because they were the 6th grub.
Also the "I'm going to head to Crypts. It's the fastest route," part. Dude it was your _only_ route at that point, was it not? No Stag, no Tram Pass, and the Blue Lake shortcut wasn't unlocked yet.
Thanks for the awesome video fire! Your pvp stuff is my favorite kind to watch and this is perfect after a (very) long day. God bless
Shelby was using foresight this entire match, the only downfall...nobody was listening her at all.
If the others listened it would be Triple kill
Adachi
This was really well edited. After finishing the original again video, I assumed you would win because this was longer. To my surprise you died twice so I thought you weren't going to win based on time. Well done!
I got in the situation that caused the end to the first game. I tried menu dropping to get away faster, and died to a tictic. What an honorable way to go.
I love when Shelby is a hunter, she’s consistently spot-on with tracking fire
This was an amazing group of hunters for the new rules, but Extreme and Dutch are such a great duo. Their PvP and calls are phenomenal.
😮 me realising i had already saw the video and watching it again
Super entertaining! Thanks for uploading all of them!!
My toxic trait is thinking I could be a hunter and kill him while knowing damn well I’d get destroyed 😂
29:58 “what a SCUMBAG” 😂😂😂
speedrunner vs 4 hunters, but they don't know we go for godhome ending
I love that Fire seems to have forgotten that he picked up Wraiths
Would love to see a game where right at the start Fire hides at fury and just let's them think he has gotta skills so they move on then he blitzes through easily and catches up to them
that's not really a good strategy because what could he do with that that he couldn't do normally? the hunters always camp mound+gruz mother anyways
That gives hunters time to set up ambushes as said before, while also having two people patrolling for free. Giving away too much tempo for a cheeky at best bit.
The last fight was so clean! GJ Fire.
Lets go!!! This is my favorite series on youtube!!!
I genuinely love watching this series, please keep making it
49:32 Putting the game ost win sound here was the best idea. Masterpiece
Just a random thought because of some other people, why not do like a 1 hunter vs 3 runners but with a point system, note before reading any more, yea this means game sessions will take forever since we need to go through 4 hunters, but I think it's a fun mode.
1. Every person will get a chance to be a hunter while the rest become runners
2. Runners have only 1 life while hunter has inf, of course hunters will have less HP than runners (I'd say like how it is here, 3 mask to start, then 5 when claw gets picked up)
3. Every runner the hunter kills is 1 point, but if the hunter kills them all they get 4 points instead.
4. Each runner that survives when one of them completes the game earns that many points for the whole team (so if 2/3 people survive when the game ends all of them get 2 points)
5. Final extra 1 or 2 points to the runner that completed the game the fastest and the hunter that killed everyone the fastest/most kills
Person with most points win.
Ofc u can also have a ban system so the hunter isn't screwed, but I think this is a decent basline
this series is really fun! my only suggestion is that maybe it should be harder to stop the speedrunner before they get to greenpath, but also easier to stop them after the get past claw because its a lot more fun to see the game go on past claw, but it doesn't really seem very balanced, you were never in any major danger of losing after claw
Thank you! But I wouldn't advise anyone to make sweeping judgments about the rules based off just one game. For example, the last uploaded game used the exact same rules, and I had insane equipment going into THK and died. If everyone judged based off that alone, the late game rules are suddenly extremely hunter favored, which is quite the difference from being unloseable for the speedrunner. In reality, these rules are closer to balanced in the mid to late game, but the speedrunner role is pretty demanding mechanically whereas the hunters are very demanding in terms of decision making.
I know that the early game is hard, but I died because I made bad decisions both times, so I don't agree that the rules needing to change. It's not as simple as just tweaking values; any of the changes that could happen have an impact on the rest of the game. The rules in this video added Infected Crossroads on start for hunters, which was meant to balance the early game without impacting anything else. A problem was that I didn't really take advantage of it and instead chose to brawl in the first game and immediately died. I made adjustments to my strategy and made it out in the final game.
I will add that I've been working on the rules for years, so it sucks when people immediately leap to "they're broken" based off single moments in a single video. The fact that these rules work at all in a game that wasn't designed for multiplayer and with players of vastly different skill levels is a miracle. Feels like people expect perfection out of the balance in these videos, which I guess shouldn't be surprising given that they're inspired by content from a known cheater in the speedrunning community lmao.
@@fireb0rn yeah thats a fair point. despite the fact that I've kept up with every video in this series you're the one who was actually playing so my judgement will by default be worse and when you boil it all down luck is a very big factor in this and good luck for either party can make the game seem very skewed towards that side. Good job on making something that works this well.
Now make a version balanced for true ending 😈 (in all seriousness that would be really fun to see but idk how realistic that would be to make happen)
I appreciate the understanding! Sorry if I came off a little defensive. Been seeing several "these rules suck!" type comments, which wasn't really what you were saying. 😅
True Ending is coming soon. I'm definitely making it happen before Silksong!
@@fireb0rn understandable. Also, 👀 true ending is gonna be insane to see. Good luck making it happen :D
One of these days fire's gonna do the child protege route in speedrunner verses hunter
Dude, this video was so great, Im really glad you put it here too, thank you Mr. fireb0rn, you are the best man
39:13 (small general Spoiler) Abyss flashbacks with all those masks... that fight was insanely well played, a joy to watch! :)
currently binge watching all of your videos, obsessed!
Is it just me, or were the follies after soul master insanely fast?!
this entire video was fire leaning forward after the first 2 deaths and fighting his way through hallownest
fun speed runner vs 4 hunters video
28:21 I'm glad they've finally protected Lemm
Ok, but watching Fire fight is so cool. He just parries and dodged so cleanly
Did anyone notce that awseome spitter kill with the stalagmite on 5:09? Trully a nailmaster's play.
Thought this was familiar lol. Always great to see these, looking forward to the next one!
I could watch one of these every day
I would say id love to see a little more of your post game discussion and hear how people react to you telling them what things you did.
Thwy never caught on to you getting fragile heart, so hearing their reactions would be great
But also Great video, i dont think any of the steel soul runs have been this close till now!!
Oh hey! I was studying for business exam tmr, but hell, fire uploaded lol
Best speedrunner vs hunters so far. It'sm uch more entertaining when the game isn't one sided.
I could watch these every day, they're so good.
One of these days, the twist should be that Fire can actually hear what the hunters are saying. Wonder if that would change much at all.
I’d love to see a true ending speedrunner vs hunters (obviously not in steel soul yet). Seeing all the different strats that go behind it would be sick
Epic video. I don't totally agree with the platforms to blue lake but I'll live. It didn't even matter in the end. Thanks for the fun.
Late reply but he can't do shadeskip coz that would mean he need to die. and dying = auto loss no matter how he die.
shelby is strangely prophetic in this XD
I think it's kinda funny how extreme sounds more Dutch then Tristan, the actual Dutchman, does (I'm Dutch myself please don't murder me for a joke)
I would like to see a manhunt with just regular hollow knight rules so that everyone can get anything, however hunters have synced inventories and fire has his own. It would probably require everyone seeing each other on the map at all times. I think it would be fun if he just rushed VS and hunters now cant get to Greenpath until they get their own.
I would love to see one of these where you unnecessarily do radiance ending just to fw them
2 things:
1: This is probably my second favourite fireb0rn series; second to God Gamers
2: I really like how he shows the short match first to remind us how the game is played
well i was very confused but ill watch again
10 hours before the finale exam, I'm wathcing every hunter vs fire vids. But no regret LOL
Fun Idea for next steel soul:
All hunters have 1hp, but the number of hunters is equal to fire's max hp.