The Absurdity Of Celeste Speedrunning
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ย. 2024
- Speedrunner IsaacTay has recently achieved a groundbreaking 25:59.070, the first ever run to break the 26 minute barrier and an overall incredibly run. In this video I go over exactly how he does it and all the techniques he used.
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Thanks for covering my run, really enjoyed the video! Also shoutout to the whole Celeste speedrun community, could not have done it without all the labbers, supporters and all the other incredible runners that pushed this game forward.
bro youre a legend
I’d like to see a video (or series) covering how to do various tricks and skips, I myself am a speedrunner, and learning how to get runs below 40 mins, and I’d definitely watch 6 hours of a deep tutorial on how to play through any% room by room
@@monkeyman55667 Look no further than AverageImposter's WR Pace series! He's already done detailed videos on sub 60 and sub 50 strats and posted videos that show the whole recommended route for each chapter. I'm sure he's working on follow-ups to those videos.
Club penguin is the best game
It's aboslutely insane how you lowered the record to sub 26!! Congrats dude!!!
I think my favorite aspect of Celeste speedrunning is the beautiful relationship it has with the intended mechanics of the game; most of the speedrun tech was even programmed intentionally. Like, save for a few death skips, speedrunning Celeste is far less about exploiting errors and more about getting really, really good at the core play style of Celeste.
That's why speedruns of hard to master movement/platformer games are so fun to watch
This guy acusing the devs for forgetting to patch skips that were very very clearly intended was painful
Agreed! Another amazing thing that Maddy and the team did is the introduction of wavedashing and wall bouncing during 7B, 8C, and Farewell. I’m replaying the game again, and now that I know these mechanics, I can never look at the rooms the same way ever again
Yea the only major glitch I can think of is DTS
16:20 it's so weird to say this is "developer error" - the team are so aware of speed running and have built so much around these techniques, I think they're very aware that good players will find ways to bypass and find new routes through screens
yeah I thought that as well. like one of the aims for the game was literally to make it as speedrun friendly as possible.
Fun fact: There is one skip they patched out. Initially you could "Skip cutscene" in the prologue in a way that would immediately end it when the bird tells you how to dash. However, this also skipped the screen saying "You can do this" and this message was so important to the devs that they patched the game. Now you can still skip the cutscene of the bird cawing at you, but the message always shows up.
So yes, they absolutely pay attention to all the speedrun shenanigans, but usually they embrace it, e.g. by adding a crouch-dash macro as a new optional key.
The actual reason for that patch was that it was a frame perfect trick that saved several seconds, leading people to reset runs for it a lot, which wasn’t an enjoyable experience. The fact that they wanted the “you can do this” message to appear was involved as that was the original reason for the cutscene being “unskippable”, and they made it still appear post-patch, but they were more interested in making the start of runs less reset heavy
@@deuceditton2574 either way, you definitely add to the point that the devs are quite involved in the speedrunning community when making changes and walk the line between intent and helping them out rather than doing things like that carelessly or out of error
sometimes it slips past people
9:05
He isn’t actually dodging the spikes hitboxes. He’s using a hard coded mechanic of the game where, if you going the same direction as a spike is facing, it won’t damage you. This allows for stuff like one way dream blocks, but can also be used like this where he just barely can wall jump off of the wall. This is usually why speedrunners have 2-3 jump keys binded.
I remember when I tried speedrunning this game, 3 months of playtime and I was more than proud of getting under 1 hour. Little would I know that it would be piss poor lol.
Crazy how talented these guys are, mad props.
I recently started running and i already got over 300 hours and I have been slowly getting close to a a sub 50 minute. Stay on the grind and anything is possible.
As long as you're proud of your time, that's all that matters!
I personally think sub 1 hour was the perfect goal for someone who wants a challenge but has little to no experience with speedrunning in general. I personally did sub 1 hour and stopped as was happy to stop there. Took me a couple months and by the time I finally got the run it was becoming less of a challenge and more just frustrating. Redoing chapter 1 and 2 every time I fucked up resort really got to me. Definitely admire the patience and dedication of people who can implement crazy risky speedrun strats though. I remember trying the resort demo dash for a while and thinking I would never bother trying to implement stuff that precise.
@@Sultimate93 yeah, plus not dedicating an insane amount of time to it
I was happy to even just *finish* Golden Ridge.
Incredibly well constructed breakdown! I can tell a lot of thought and effort went into it. Also GG to Isaac, he truly is the celeste GOAT
Blue! Glad you enjoyed it.
Also love your videos :)
💀
@@Gwonkee yo gwonkee
THE HOLLOW KNIGHT God player(can't say Godgamer for obvious reasons-if you're in the Hollow Knight community, you know;) had come to Celeste! My two absolutely favorite games have come together.
Blue? Celeste? Who are you?
saying that these routes are "dev error" is a mischaracterization, maddy specifically did multiple passes to add additional routes
And even with some of the things that genuinely were oversights such as demodashes, Maddy embraced them and incorporated them into the Farewell DLC and made them easier to make keybinds for & perform. Celeste isn't the average game where most of the skips and speed tricks are dev oversight.
19:26 "IF MY GIRL AND ISAAC ARE DROWNING CATCH ME AT MY GIRLS FUNERAL CHANTING TWENTY FIVE FIFTY NINE"
and thee other guy wrote it wrong 😅
(3/17/23)
This started when I was in a conversation in the Celeste discord, where some people were talking about some inconsistencies in this video. I then took it upon myself to point out every one (for some goddamn reason). I was never trying to be toxic at all, but looking back on it it does seem very passive aggressive and generally just annoying. This definitely shouldn’t have been a comment I should have made, I just did it because why not and like thats not a good reason. Because I’m not an asshole i tried to highlight the video at the end but in turn that came off as even more passive aggressive, which is not a good thing
I still think that this comment is helpful, but half of these aren’t even things wrong with the video, but just scouring for anything wrong I could find. I’ll leave the actual comment down below, but just know that I’m not very proud of it anymore lmao
Some nitpicks
0:04 - its 25m, 59s, 070ms, not 26m
2:05 - the video shows wavedashing, not hypers
2:23 - thats a cornerboost
2:27 - thats a cornerkick, not a cornerboost
3:49 - its not really that much of a problem, theres still a significant delay between you and badeline. Only case i could see is the room before the long drop.
4:28 - People go for tas awake all the time; also you showed a message from 2018 which at that time i assume tas awake was much harder and people didnt know as much about the game as we do now
4:43 - Isaac, not Issac
4:53 - he went for tas awake then failed it
5:58 - aaa its not sludge its dust bunnies
7:40 - a tiny bit misleading, it is pixel perfect yes but only in some cases
8:43 - the reverse extended super is a extended demohyper, not super
9:00 - wind does matter a lot in runs at least personally, there are some cases where wind can screw you over, and you still have to take wind in account for everything you do
9:06 - thats not pixel perfect, its relatively lenient and is used in mid level runs as well.
9:09 - he doesnt avoid the hitbox - in fact he goes inside of it. if you go the same direction the spikes face in, they dont kill you. this is also used in Huge Mess of Resort
10:26 - i dont know what pixel perfect walljump you are refering to here, but nothing past the cornerboost is
10:57 - those are wavedashes, not hypers
12:30 - thats a wallbounce, not a wallboost
12:49 - thats several cornerboosts, not a "spiked staircase climb"
12:58 - thats a seeker, not a corrupter
14:09 - while technically true, spinners only cut off 1 or 2 pixels (im not exactly sure?). The reason this works is because wallbounces have leniency pixels which allow you to wallbounce off of a wall even if you arent directly on it.
14:22 - you also ultra here
14:53 - Reprieve Multiboost isnt necessarily a tech by itself, multiboosts are. this one just happens to occur in reprieve, and is also the only one usually found in the main any% run
15:05 - he did these strats in his former pb, so i don't get the point of this comment?
15:46 - in the block boosted ultra you showed here theres no hyper
16:29 - thats just a regular cornerboost, theres no superdash coming into play
17:46 - ASS is much, much easier than 2nd blockless
19:30 - again just a misedit, its 25 minutes
19:35 - fun fact secure got the wr 25:55 on like 1/10 i think? not really your fault here but just wanted to mention it
i dont want to try to dogpile on you (people have already made similar comments) i just want to point out some nitpicks with the video. Great video, i did enjoy it
Plix you're a hero. I'm 6 minutes in and had to pause in bewilderment at hearing someone call dustbunnies "sludge" for the first time in recorded history [citation needed]
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THATS WHAT IM SAYING
THANK YOU I was so frustrated
@@R3dFlames its called sludge on the wiki so presumably thats it
also lets not dogpile
I love these dives into the tech. Even if you aren't a domain expert and you get some terminology wrong, a journalist-depth investigation of the tech to give a deeper understanding than the casual viewer would get by just watching the run is still hugely valuable.
2:01 What you show is actually wave dashes, not hyper dashes. I know they accomplish pretty much the same thing in most cases, but they are slightly different.
Yah hyper dashes are the grounded diagonal dash then wait and jump or you can demo dash and jump.
@@Super_Wooper Well, waiting is only necessary if you're doing an extended hyper/extended demo hyper.
@@autumn4442 Right I forgot about the one where you don't get your dash back. Thanks 🙂
In fact there are a few misconceptions in the video, such as saying there are hitboxes missing in corner kicks, where the spikes don’t actually harm you if you are travelling in the direction they are pointing
@@huffeyy3916actually the uploaded changed the title of this video, I wonder if he edited the video itself. Did you just watch it today and there are still mistakes in it?
I could never speedrun Celeste, because I’d never be able to skip the cutscenes. They’re just too good
Just wanted to say I was blown away by the editing of this video. Like all the small details make it so professional. The clock sound effects, the shadows behind outlines the easing of moving elements. Really slick 💯
This is such a well made video. Slowing the fast parts down with little picture in picture images of spike hitboxes etc etc. I loved this. Thank you!
Thank you!
Ayo I did not expect my video thumbnail to appear as a sample for the tas awake, it feels great to be recognised! Thank you for featuring me!
This is an amazing well construed video c: thank you for sharing and hopefully makes more people interested in trying Celeste Speedrunning (it certainly made me more interested)
Thank you so much!
as future reference I would probably get a speedrunner of the game to read through and double check the script for errors
However, despite a couple errors, this video is entirely adequate and explains the speedrun well. thank u
I’ve always respected the Celeste community so much. so many talented runners, labbers, and modders, and the vibe of their discord server is a welcoming and pleasant environment. Excellent video covering the new world record, and congrats to Isaac for an insane run
Your editing and scripting are really great. I hope you keep creating and that your projects get the attention they deserve!
sorry but i think you got this one wrong at 9:05 . That jump isn't pixel perfect. As long as you move away from the spikes, you can jump through them. Wonderful video nonetheless, and I hope to see more videos!
Yeah, spike jumps aren’t actually as hard as some people make them out to be. Honestly any moderately experienced player can get it in a couple attempts with barely any setup.
yeah, even i can do them lmao
While I'm still sure it's not pixel perfect, the fact that you are moving away from the wall does only give you a short window. If you're too late, you won't die sure, but you also won't jump.
@@alansmithee419 buffers exist though making the time window about 6 frames. That sounds tight but some intended inputs in the main game are 4 frames or even lower so its not that bad.
@@pirilon78 6 frames sounds short as a reaction time to something happening, but yeah as something you plan for in advance it's not that bad.
I think the harder part of this trick is positioning rather than timing. Though this might just be that specific one in the 1A dashless I'm thinking of, where you first have to wall jump off of something below a spikewall.
I'm working my way into Celeste speedruns (my PB is still 50min and I'm incapable of doing many of the skips, but I'm proud of it), and videos like these are what keeps my motivation. Great explanation!
I personally wish this game was more well known.
It's rather well known especially compared to other precision platformers
The strange hitboxes aren't just unique to Celeste. These types of smaller hitboxes are used in several games to make it feel more lenient.
This video was so incredibly well made! The script was solid, the infographics were on point, and of course the run was absolutely incredible :) Was really hoping someone would make this xD
Glad you enjoyed it!
It’s actually really cool how you not only covered a really advanced run, but you also explained every mechanic for your viewers to understand what’s happening
Nice video! It's cool to have this type of achievement covered and Isaac is awesome.
Have you heard of the 202 Deathless? Happened on the same week as Isaac.
oh geez, i've heard of 202 deathless
gee, i wonder what kind of celeste master managed to achieve it
i hope i get to meet them!
Wow, that sounds super cool! I sure do wonder what kind of gaming legend would capable of such a feat. If they could see my comment, I would wish them a phenomenal day!
man i've heard of it it was really impressive that person is really cool i hope they see this comment at some point
Can't wait for people to attempt to speedrun it :troll:
@@Kamirasu lmao I wasn't trying to pretend it wasn't me XD
Just asked if they heard about it
Appreciated the video. A lot of your explanations of what tech was used where and how were wrong but aside from that it explains really well. And I don’t expect a video like this to know all the tech and how it works and such. :)
This game is quite complicated but your narration and the edit are crystal clear and help understand how tremendously talented speedrunners of this game are, big props on that !
"Sleepy_Dan_ Celestial bogosort, press random buttons until a fast run happens" I think that's called machine learning
I love the editing of this video! The narration and all of the little pop-up text box things are so smooth and nice!
Awesome video! I think your editing style is quite refined. It's clear you know what you are doing.
bro finished the game faster than it took me for the second chapter on my first playthrough
I’m a big fan of your spelunky 2 content but I really love Celeste and this video did an amazing job breaking down some of the speedrunning tech!
Really well done. The execution in terms of explanation and visualisation is wonderful. Keep up the good work.
My belief is that the Mirror Temple B side theme is so good that speedrunners lose time just to listen to it lol
bro i blincked and missed an ENTIRE SECTION hes crazy good
9 months ago I commented on this video that I got my time to 1h10min10s, and today I just got my first run accepted on the leaderboards for 51:51.204.. thank you again!
That was a amazing video and a truly amazing run! Literally the 3rd chapter took me 3 hours to finish causally so congratulations to Issac for this amazing run!!!
The Hyperdash you showcased is actually the Wavedash.
Other than that, great editing and writing for the video!
Yeah a Hyperdash is just a Wavedash without the initial jump
@@astra3766 didn't know that was called a Hyperdash
@@smth35 hyperdashes are introduced in 8C (core C side) but if you only play vanilla and don't watch any speedrunning content,you won't know that if you delay the jump you can get your dash back. Also he mentioned superdashes,which do exist,but are horizontal wallbounces.you just wallbounce off the floor rather than the wall. I know my explanation might be confusing but it's the easiest way i see it.
i can’t thank you enough for the clarity you bring to your topics! ☀️
thank you for going so in depth on the intricacies involved in this speed run. Very well edited
Love your videos pastryperson! Always good to see people still talking about Spelunky and Celeste
I just got this game like 3 days ago and boy is it fun. Watching these speedrun after beating the main story with such a struggle is amazing.
It's insane how people speed throught this game
wow. this is my first real introduction to the celeste speedrunning community, and you explained it really well. i can't believe the practice that must be put in to play through the game this quickly. so different than my probably tens of hours to beat the main game.
Celeste speedruns are some of the funnest speedruns to watch on youtube. They last around 30 or so minutes, but ao much is happening during that time.
I really love how this game teaches you a lot of its speed tech through b-sides, core, and farewell. Even playing through the a-sides again, just knowing how to do those things makes you want to go faster.
the editing is absolutely juiced out
the right treatment for based god isaac
Totally insane watching this video after the absolute goat breaks the 25m barrier. People thought 24:xx was completely impossible when I first started watching bubs.
I remember the last minute barrier being broken, as I'd just finished beating the game for the first time
Wow things have come so far since then
I just started playing Celeste for the first time last week. Playing it super casual. This game is incredible and I understand why people speed run it. This is also the first game I have ever played and anytime I get stuck executing something I think "how would a speed runner do this" and I usually get the jumps down within a try or 2 once I try and "speed run" the section. Very strange but also really fun.
Editing, pacing and quality is on point for this video. Good job my friend, keep it up👌
I love how your not only posting spelunky content but other games too its very entertaining to watch!
aint nobody calling the dust bunnies "sludge"
I just went off what the wiki said, i thought it was dust bunnies as well
this is nothing compared to my revolutionary celeste speedruns that may or may not exist
I love these speedrunning videos, please make more! I would suggest maybe Terraria, it doesn't have as much of a community as celeste, but it quite interesting with the strategies and pure luck involved. But you do you, I need to see more of these speedrunning videos!
Well put-together video! Great work on it and congrats to Isaac!
Incredible video, but you forgot to mention how door skip actually skims off 3975 years off of the run time
There are definitely a bunch of little mistakes in this video which is why you probably should have someone proofread your script/watch your vid before release.
But in general I like this video. Editing and narration is very entertaining
Uhm, so somebody a month later managed to beat the record
Yeah, that happens. It’s called the Bannister Effect.
What a fantastic channel, thank you Pastryperson.
The editing in this video is incredible
As someone familiar with all of these mechanics, I am impressed by how simple yet correct you explained them. Very nice to watch!
actually he butchered alot of them
He butchered all of them. If you actually think he did any of these right, I don’t think you quite know what you’re talking about.
Ok, fine, since you apparently need a more constructed comment instead of a compliment towards the video creator:
Yes, I know they didn't get everything perfectly right, but instead they explained the mechanics well enough so that a non-experienced Celeste player could understand the run much better. To me, it's clear that this is exactly what this video is trying to accomplish. As an experienced Celeste player, nitpicking every detail of it is entirely pointless because you aren't the target audience. The video isn't perfect, but it is very good
@@timbakker371okay but i have never done a celeste speedrun or even attempted to, and i can see errors with this video
Perfect explanation of the speed run - in depth but not overly long, and the editing and the lil strawberries went a long way to demonstrate the different moves
3:30 If you are calling her antagonist, you didn't get the main idea of the game
And i thought normal Celeste was hard
Only 5k subs ? Nah you deserve mine !
I know all these tricks by heart and you still got my attention for these 20 mins and i didnt get bored even a second. Really awesome video.
this is really high quality! thanks for the video ^^ definitely subscribing
Me speedruning hrt
:3
You're a man. :)
Nice video and great visual effects
Keep going ❤
You NEED to cover the 202 and/or 100% deathless Celeste runs. I've watched the entire 202 deathless run and it was a wild ride. Constantly on the edge of my seat with all the risky jumps and fast paced gameplay - while also trying not to die a single time!
I just started running Celeste and got my time down from 23h+ to 1h10min10s... Thanks for the explanation!
IF MY GIRL AND ISAAC ARE DROWNING CATCH ME AT MY GIRLS FUNERAL CHANTING
TWENTY FIVE FIFTY NINE
19:27 "IF MY GIRL AND ISAAC ARE DROWNING CATCH ME AT MY GIRLS FUNERAL" 💀
Making Celeste videos will attract about ten times as many viewers as Spelunky 2 videos do.
i just finished the game and watched this video, i don`t know what to say, this is just absurd. Congratz man, this is quite impressive, the level of precision you must have to not make a single mistake.
idk if I might be reading ur comment wrong but this guy isn't actually the speedrunner, he's just explaining someone else's speedrun
Imagine training your body for years so you can climb mountains in a few days, just to see a girl zoom past you and reach the mountain's top in less than half an hour even after falling down
That discord comment at 19:27 💀 “if my girl and Isaac drowning catch me at my girlfriends funeral chanting twenty five twenty five” lolll
this editing is top notch, well done
Great video, love the channel and keep up the great work. Super well edited.
don't think ive ever seen a youtuber remember the difference between a hyper, a wavedash, and a super
You deserve INFINITY more subscribers. Like how do you have so many videos that have become so popular and still not reached 100k. The algorithm will hopefully bless you one day
Celeste speedruns are an alternate universe where Madeline is a pro mountain climber
how do you manage to mislabel almost every tech 😭
IKR HOW DID HE MISLABEL A CORNER KICK FOR A CORNER BOOST
@@spulp_lordI ain't complaining cus I do that sometimes
But renaming a wall BOUNCE to a wall JUMP is just unacceptable.
Yh I've never even run this game and I caught a load of his mistakes
amazing speedrun! also top notch editing!
The best part is that when you do a really hard strat, and you pull it off flawlessly
As someone who really enjoys the Mirror Temple B-side, specifically Theo's part, I can't believe people wouldn't like it.
EDIT: Same with the next level's B-side...even though I died at least 300 times on it, I enjoyed it a lot. Honestly this whole game is just so good.
EDIT 2: I think I had around 3,000 deaths when I first hit that flag...and that was BEFORE I did any B-sides lolol
you found at least 14 errors in the video, ranging from calling wave dashes hyper dashes several times, to at 8:42 you 1) called an extended super reversed for some reason and 2)called a wave dash a hyper to at bumper boosts being hard for some reason(edit: found another one, at 9:10 he does not avoid the spikes, spikes have no hitbox if you are moving away from them)(edit 2: still an amazing video but i am very annoyed)
Celeste speed runners are not human. They are ascended
The editing and narration is great but if I'm being honest certain things bugged me in this video. The strats and mechanics making them possible weren't explained that well, even if the names of the tech were mentioned there wasn't much explanation behind them. A lot of the tech names were mixed up like calling a cornerkick a corner boost and a wavedash a hyperdash but that's not that important honestly. The cornerkick in the shrine section of ridge isn't pixel perfect, it works by moving in the same direction as the spikes are pointing (moving the same direction as spikes doesn't kill you because they wanted things like spiked jumpthrough and dreamblocks to be possible), Isaac wasn't ahead of his PB during reflection exit, his best exit was a sub 18.
Not trying to hate, these are just some problems I had with the video
Let alone the execution, it’s mind boggling to me people can remember the exact layout of every level for 25+ minutes.
I haven’t even watched the whole video but I KNOW it’s good when he refers to badeline like that,
W Merg
The speedrun just got beaten ten days ago by just about 35 seconds!
This is unreal. I can't believe it's physically possible for humans to do this.
amazing video deserves sm more attention
Thank you!
Badeline: you can't climb this mountain.
Madeline: hold my strawberries.
I am amazed this is in my recommended or whatever it's called. I have 15 minutes in this game and I got it around the years dawn.
the amount of inaccuracies is astounding.
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@@benbeans1561im only halfway through the video but hes misnamed like 3 techs and called dust bunnies "sludge". like. get a proofreader 😭
16:28 That is just a normal cornerboost, not at superdash. If it was a superdash, there would be speed rings behind Madeline.
This guy beat the game faster than I did chapter 1! Gg!
Chapter 3 is basically hk path of pain.