So Skip You Wanna Talk about Jordan is The GOAT bc Jordan He has more Rings than LeBron. Jordan, and LeBron Are Both Great Players Who Ever Played The Game Of Basketball. But If You Wanna Determine Who is The GOAT Player of Basketball By Rings. Then Bill Russell Has 11 Rings, Robert Horry has 7 Rings that's One Up on Michael Jordan.
Lebron is great. All time. Seemingly a great guy, great father, great business man… but he didn’t exceed expectations if the expectations was to be better than Jordan, because he’s not.
And Lebron deserves that bec he BADLY wants so be the MEDIA that his own channel is under the ESPN flag like yall black Americans are so deluded at it comes!!!
@@jeraldsikes6186 You and the guy above you has so much insecurities in your life, that you find time in your day to post hateful comments. Bravo my brother, you are what they call side characters.
I’ve never seen a player in my 34 yrs of life more scrutinized than Lebron and for no reason at all… Im appreciate his greatness and I’m blessed to be able to see Kobe,MJ and Lebron play on a basketball court… You had to be there
LeBron was the talk of the Town even before he got to the NBA. He's literally been under a microscope walking on Eggshells and more than lived up to every expectation while also keeping his career pretty much spotless.
Oh no? U think it's a COINCIDENCE that UNDISPUTED started right after that summer Cavs 2016 won the title 🤓 Just admit u are black who writes this bec yall Americans is all about colour agendas. Its disgusting bec yall can't deal with FACTS on a daily basis!
It’s truly incredible to me how many times they have had the same exact Jordan vs Lebron argument on this show. I’m honestly impressed how they can give each other the same exact opinions day after day and not get tired of it.
It’s called indoctrination of the masses lol. They do this with politics, Hollywood media, etc… any ideas they want the masses to have the most, they will drill into your heads by having the same convo over n over and that’s why u see people who will repeat themselves over n over as if they haven’t said the same thing 1000s of times and 9x out of 10 just like the debate of jordan and MJ being the top 2 ever, they are wrong lol
Well said Shannon. I couldn't even said it better than that. Indeed this young man has exceeded all our expectations. I have always said give this man credit while he is alive.
The expectation is for him to play basketball because he’s a basketball player. Just like the rest of the guys in the nba. If they try to operate outside of that they open themselves up for critique on a personal level.
LeBron gets more slander/hate in one minute of social media than some HOFs get in their entire lives. For example, Grant Hill (HOF) gets 0.00000000000000000001% of the slander/hate LeBron gets. Like you don’t see no life trolls out there creating sock accounts of Grant Hill or bringing up any negative blemishes of his career ad nauseam or dedicating their daily lives to discredit his greatness.
@@dnice4145 You must be young. Every player that could play Mike’s style of ball, one on one, was considered the next Jordan...Grant Hill included. Rider, Stackhouse the list goes on and on
Shannon got really good at handling Skip. He responds with great facts instead of losing his mind despite the crazy things Skip might say. He won this argument again. Kudos!
LeBron played his entire career during the social media era and the "worst" thing he did was change teams. Love MJ, but if his run spanned the gotcha journalism world we now live in, he'd be viewed a lot differently.
No one endured the media attention Jordan received. Jordan got everyone watching basketball, me included. Lebron is amazing, but not Jordan. Jordan would never flop to get a call. He would put on muscle and fight. For me, Kobe is above Lebron.
@George Prchal I only know of 2 times, 1 being when he says Lebron has the highest IQ in basketball, and 2. He is the best passer in basketball. Oh yeah I 4got, no one can freight train to the basket like he does in history. Which all is nothing earth shattering. Any real NBA follower knows that, can see that, and does not have to be told that by Skip Bayless. He needs to stop the BS.
@@georgeprchal3924 Maybe it is a backhanded one, but to me it sounds like he means it as a straight up compliment especially since he says it every time he says the other compliments. So I tend to believe him. But for him to only find 2 or 3 things to compliment the man on after a 20 yrs career is just shameful. But it shows you just what kind of person Skip is and will always be.
@@kingofqueens68 he says freight train to diminish lebron like this: “he runs from the late game freethrow line, he passed the ball for no reason, he’s a freight train and the greatest driver of the basketball we have ever seen! He could have gotten to the line but he scared of freethrows, he’s got the demons.”
@@alltimehustle3307 Well thats your opinion, but I interpret it differently as if no one can stop him when he wants to drive to the basket being the greatest driver of the basketball we have ever seen.
Because he debates against someone with no sense🤣😂Lebron put it on himself to be compared to Jordan. And it’s not a debate. But to people like Shannon, gargling the kings balls for sneakers
Again, Skip not answering the question and turned it into a LeBron v. Michael debate. The fact still remains: NOBODY has received the amount of criticism that LeBron has gotten over the years. It just doesn’t compare
@@slimcarter3738 but he also has haters worldwide, Skip just happens to do it on TV. Not everyone is a LeBron fan and NOBODY criticized MJ the way LeBron has. MJ is known worldwide as the GOAT and people see him as MJ’s successor and hold him to that standard. And whenever he doesn’t live up to that standard, then he’s a crybaby, he only joins super teams, and etc etc…
Yea because we know lebron is not that guy if we talking W-L lebron is considered an average player if we talking box office stats to increase or sell tickets then I guess curry isn’t better than lebron
@@MajinMarcus_ them are FACTZ it took for lebron to change teams after they build a team around lebron to win a championship. Steph never change teams Kobe never change 2 players that’s way better than lebron tell me something lebron did to make him the goat or what he did for his team mates to make them better
I’m an MJ guy as GOAT but Lebron is incredible and has exceeded all expectations. He for sure had to deal with more criticism with all the new avenues nowadays.
@@GreaterThanSolomon as a Jordan guy that's a flat out lie,no player has spent half his career in the finals and PFS. If someone says he LeBron is the goat I have no problem with it. He most definitely sitting across from MJ. Jordan is my goat because of his individual greatness not because of 6-0. If that's the case Montana is 4-0 but do you call him the goat of QBs?
@@poocrayon4588 story about a boy raised by a teenage single mother in a poor neighborhood who became the face of the best basketball league in the world.
@@CulEdz Big deal, loads of guys have made it from bad situations, it's hardly the greatest story ever told or even a remotely original story. The actual story of his career makes him a pretty unlikeable hero though. Don't remember the sports movies where the good guy swaps teams 4 times for an easier shot at winning and betrays all his orginizations who put faith in him .
@@Mercurial. And the second highest total of 4 FMPs, breaking the tie of three with Magic, Shaq and Duncan. One of them, doing what had never been done, coming back from down 1-3 against a 73 win team, with two games on GSW home court, including game 7. All he did was score 41 two games in a row, and then get a triple double.
@@unc54 How is that a valid flip talking about other players when it's Lebron who FAILED MISERABLY like WTF are u on drugs my guy?! Or are u one of those who talks about reaching Finals appearances while LOSING finals is the new 🥇...
Always said, never seen an athlete like Lebron James get so criticized in everything from basketball to off tha court.. Of course Jordan endured that, but not at this level 🤯… Plus there was no social media like today.. If this man LBJ sneeze, ppl may say he did that wrong too lol smh… Skip is tha driving force at times n starts all kinda fires 🔥 lol
Tell me, would you like to get slandered when your Father just recently died? MJ endured that, everyone made crazy asf stories saying his gambling addiction got his father killed.
@@ferchango6359 Umm I said that he of course endured that as well, obviously n there was no social media back then.. But what did I say have anything to do with his fathers death May he R.I.P. And I know I hear what ya saying but I said Mike endured it too.. Don’t twist it bcuz EVERY SUPERSTAR GETS THAT from time to time, but Lebron gets criticized for almost everything. Again at times, SM hasn’t always been tha best for a lot of athletes.. And yes you got a point, unfortunately his father passed n I was so young when this happened, n watched his game(s) as I got older tha older ones, n I remember watching his championship runs as I got older.. Never seen MJ happy n sad at tha same time when he won his next rings, his Pop’s wasn’t by his side n anyone n everyone would want to be happy n as happy as MJ wanted to be, he was so sad n that was heartbreaking 💔
@@ferchango6359 You’re a liar. Stop using broad generalizations like “everybody” was slandering Jordan, not a single major publication accused him of harming his father. That’s as idiotic as saying that “everybody” accused LeBron of sacrificing Kobe & GiGi. Conspiracy theorists always create these stories but it’s not everyone.
Skip says "his hand was forced" in reaction to Shannon coming on the show in 2016 and proclaiming LBJ is the GOAT. Yeah right... Skip's BS goes WAAYYYYY further back. One of the lowest moments is LBJ winning his 1st title with Miami while upping his production significantly from the previous year when Dirk and the Mavs beat them, and having been criticized by Skip and even others for a good year for coming up short. Averaged 29-10-7 in the series. And a triple double in the deciding game. The next morning you then had First Take with Stephen A and Skip talk about that game and LBJ's first title. Skip goes on for 6 minutes with backhanded compliments and again highlighting cherry picked shortcomings. Pathetic. Whether it's trolling for max reactions or a genuine take - doesn't matter. There are moments when you should just give the flowers if you're a stand up guy, instead of undermining someone when they don't deserve it / when the facts don't warrant it.
Skip got the Hater 🎩 of the year 🧧award for the last like 17 years or so the last one was Silky Johnson but after that kids I promise you skip been winning 🏆 🥇 dude is a mad hater frfr
I got MJ the goat but man , the slander the attention that Bron got even before he got to the league that even his cavs teammates before the draft said he wouldn't dominate in the league . Hes been under the microscope since then and to exceed the expectations with higher succes being top 3 best player for 15 years , thats when you have to respect the mans greatness . You can hate him but you can never disrespect what he done .
This social media age is what made Lebron go to Miami. The people that “hate” Lebron don’t realize they are the ones that created all the things they supposedly hate Lebron for
Yep! For example, every single year they speculate about what stars my join the Lakers and show pictures of them in Lakers jerseys and then say that "Lebron is always hunting for stars"
Kobe went through the same "social media age". Didn't bother him one bit. He didn't need it to validate himself. Lebron is so weak and needy in comparison. Dude needed a dad in his life.
He should have stayed in Cleveland. Once Michael did started his winning run in the finals, he never lost. That’s a big difference than winning and losing. He was consistent. LJ is great, but he will never be MJ.
He wasn't trying to live in MJ shoes....nobody could fit those shoes the closest that came to that was the black mamba he said MJ was like his brother..u know what that means though?
Skip got bodied on this debate! And this is someone who has LeBron 2nd ALL TIME! But if Jordan had played in the social media era he would be looked at differently!
Skip and Stephen A are responsible for this scrutinized social media attention. It never had to be this way but ESPN First Take had the gasoline and matches to build this for the basketball culture.
Kobe definitely didn't get the scrutiny LeBron gets but Kobe did get slammed a lot. And Kobe got compared to MJ too which also put wild expectations on him. Kobe got slammed for being selfish and not being a good leader. They also questioned his ability to shoot consistently earlier in his career
The part that trips me out most is people bash LeBron for making it to the Finals and losing.. But don’t look over the years Jordan couldn’t get there.. The scrutiny LeBron has faced his entire career until this day and hour of somebody hitting send on a Tweet 📲 is unparalleled.. There’s no comparison.
Coz historically the way to the Finals for Lebron has always been comparatively easy , below 500 teams and all. Jordan lost 1st rounds to a legendary Celtics team, its like if Lebron met the Spurs team in the first round.If you gonna claim for the throne of being the goat, your case should be compelling.Again if it comes down to being the greatest, all that matters is how many you've won being the main guy once you get there, just being there won't cut it.
TBF if Jordan could carry his team to a higher seed, he wouldn't have to play against the all time great Celtics. And lets not talk about teammates, Lebron had a terrible team when he arrived in Cleveland and still managed to carry them to a conference finals
@@lukabrezo See thats the point the teams at that Eastern conference was stacked it wasn't just the Celtics they had to contend with for a higher seed.The East during Lebrons early years was comparatively weaker, with just a couple teams having 50 wins or more every year, so its much easier to get a higher seeding.Doesnt matter if he had terrible teammates when majority of the East teams have worse lineup.
@@MrPangahas the pistons, Celtics in the 2000s were weak? He faced the pacers on the heat which when to 7 games as well as the Celtics again in the early 2010s than in 2015 he loses Kyrie and love and battles both top seeds in both conferences and swept the number 1 seed in Atlanta. Than after losing Kyrie in 2018 he has the greatest playoffs run that was anything but easy as he faced the raptors who were the 1st seed and he swept them. Than again goes against the Celtics that goes 7 games all while having little to no help. Y’all say it was easy and a cakewalk because he’s done it consistently the lengths you bron haters go to discredit this man is pathetic
@@MrPangahas you could say the same about the finals. Jordan was ALWAYS the favourite to win the finals therefore weak finals competition meaning easy cakewalk win. LeBron has been favourite only 3 times in all of his finals lol harder finals competition.
I’m a former Lebron hater as well. Jordan was my GOAT growing up and like Skip I couldn’t handle the thought of anyone being greater. I hated the late great Kobe (RIP) until I realized he wouldn’t get six. I hated Lebron for most of his career. I finally realized that the goal post is always moved when it comes to his greatness. A 73 win team had to go get KD to beat a HEALTHY Lebron led team. Jordan never faced the teams Lebron faced in the Finals.
couldn't agree more. i'm not the biggest LBJ fan, but i acknowledge that he's one of the GOATS and his stats and achievements speak for themselves. and speaking as a father, i can't say enough good things about him as a role model for the NBA -- never gets into trouble and loves his wife, kids, and craft. you can't ask more from an honorable man than that!
Once again Shannon destroy Skip what happened ‘84, ‘85, ‘86, ‘87, ‘88, ‘89, ‘90 🤷♂️ y’all hold EVERY SINGLE year of LeBron’s career against him what happens to jordan? Also what happened in his later year in Washington since LeBron’s later years are being held to the same standard as year 9 LeBron? 😂😂😂🤷♂️👂👂 keep that same energy
@@NYGForever ha so. What does that have to do with winning. Take a seat boy. Yal salty Bron won with every team and changed the NBA and made it for players to play with who they want. Get over it
Lebron in the 2010’s dominated the conference Jordan in the 90’s dominated the conference & FINALS🐐 it’s levels to this silly kids, Bron simply isn’t on Jordan’s level
He was already successful before LeBron as a writer and journalist.. he would've still been successful with his transition to television, but there's no way he'd be in the exact spot that he's in today without LeBron.. if LeBron and Skip ever have a face to face conversation, the very first thing LeBron should say to Skip is "You're welcome."..
He still had Brady, Tebow, the Cowboys, and others. Now a different way of saying that would be, would tv sports coverage be how it is now without skip's stance on lebron?
Shannon gets so frustrated with Skip's hard-headedness, and I don't blame him. It reminds me of when I'm trying to explain to my grandpa how to open his email.
Bron is the Goat thats why … if he wasnt they wouldnt bother like how they dont bother kobe vs mj but say he was the closest to him.. bron been getting compared to mj since early in his career and has did and passed mj in a whole lot since then .. mj media would never put bron pass mj and im aware of that, but it aint a coincidence that lebron is still in the convo hes bouta be 20years in
Skip is really that mad that he didn’t get that interview with lebron back in 08-09. He even said it that if that interview would have happened things would have been much different.
How would that change the fact that Lebron completely melted down against the Mavericks? I mean the dude was literally too scared to even TOUCH the basketball lol
@@kungfukenny8098 One bad playoff series doesn't diminish everything else he's done in his career, and there are many great players who've had a bad playoff series.
For the ones who reads this just know this is only the beginning keep pushing, grinding, and fighting. Whatever it is in life you want to do to go after it life is to short. Life is a marathon not a sprint so go out there and live it up I hope all is well and goes well for you peace and one love.🙏🏽
Not if he had just three peated brought USA basketball back to respectability by competing in the Olympics and globalized the game and also brought in billions from new TV deals being the face of basketball…Lebron didn’t do any of that so if he would’ve done that of course it wouldn’t be looked at the same by his first retirement Jordan damn near did everything bron has now…context is everything
At the end of the day, both Michael Jeffrey Jordan and LeBron Raymone James are two of the greatest basketball players of all time. They are the only two NBA players that is worth $billion+ from their on the court/off the court endeavors. Both are legends in their own right.
Yes on the court… I’m team Jordan…. But show me the athlete that’s ever been expected to do so much and been under the kind of scrutiny the Lebron has been under. And despite that… he’s love it or hate it… he’s succeeded and exceeded!!! Period!
Popular opinion doesn't mean factual, and he's not the only player in that conversation. There are many great players before him who don't think he's the greatest ever.
He’s the greatest. Just look at what he accomplished. I was lucky enough to to see him play the warriors twice and he absolutely crushed them. More finals wins with no losses. Way more scoring titles. DPOY the list goes on and on. And yes there’s lots of other great players. Kareem is better than Lebron. Why do people think being called the second or third great player to live is a slap in the face? There have been thousands of players. To be in the top ten is a huge honor. Calling yourself the GOAT is a sure fire way to show you aren’t.
Skip is the definition of the old man who says my era was the best and there is nothing you can say that will convince me it was not. While he watches the flying cars pass by him. True definition of a old hater
Nah, Jordan was just a whole different animal. Better career AND better player than Bron. Better scorer, defender, finisher, footwork, handles, etc Jordan was a more efficient Kobe.
Michael Jordan had sports analysis like Ahmad Rashad guys who talk the game without disgracing or discrediting players,, could you imagine Stephen a Smith and Skip dealing with Michael Jordan gambling? And hating on him like they hate on LeBron ?Smh back then the guys had a bit more class,, these newer guys should take some pages from the old guys books
@@fmbbeachbum8163 Jordan has right to chose who he wants be friends with like all adults do are you a child? He handled like a man told Barkley he didn't like what he said directly and discontinued their friendship with no further public whining like Charles.
Those old enough to remember Kobe got slandered all time especially after the Lakers traded Shaq they said Kobe would never win as the main guy and he doesn't care about winning and Lakers picked the wrong guy.
No one talks about the fact how kobe lakers have to play against the spurs just to get out of the western conference. Lebron only competition only comes from the finals.
@@adamjones1086 Lol half the NBA's stadiums shouted 'KOBE SUCKS' during entire REGULAR SEASON games let alone playoffs. Dead sure you were young asf when Kobe played to say it's not up for debate because Lebron never experienced that ish. Look up 'KOBE SUCKS' commercial.
@@Herosennin U think NBA fans haven’t chanted that about LeBron? Lol. Think about all the people who legit will create accounts on Social media JUST to blast LeBron. It’s dudes with names out here like “LeChina” and “LeBum 4-6” and “Le3-6on” as their names. I ain’t never seen anything like that for Kobe. Not to mention the daily sports shows on TV and dudes like Skip who have built an entire career around slandering LeBron at any chance they get. No player has had that on them. Maybe Kobe would have gotten more hate if he was in his prime during the social media age, but to say he legit has faced just as much hate is nonsensical.
If rather make it to the finals and losing, than getting knocked out before than. When you talk about Jordan and how he played, yeah LeBron isn't in that conversation because they are completely different players. Goat conversation, LeBron definitely deserves to be there. So LeBron looked up to someone and copied some of their habits? How dare he, nobody else ever did that.
jordan started in 84 before pippen he didnt won jack!!🤣 lmfao. it be facts tho. romanticized memory for most and other fanatics havent seen him play. he was nothing shy of greatness incarnated but not until he had pippen. look at kobe and shaq.. shaq and penny karl malone and stockton. lebron carried a no talent team to play offs and finals. but jordan was his rolemodel and paved the way as dr j and magic did for michael, respect talent and both players and just enjoy greatness in the making and be glad to see it happening in front of your eyes. ive seen both and im honored to have seen and seeing that talent.
Lebron has Factually received more critique and criticism than Jordon! Jordan was ALLOWED to be great! Lebron has been EXPECTED to be great and he has exceed all expectations! Jordan just had newspapers printed about him and Lebron has SOCIAL MEDIA and sports analysts on tv… Lebron factually has been criticized more! 💯
So what? Jordan wasn't "allowed " to be great he was great and earned everything he got, he wasn't given anything. Started from the bottom and rose to the top, without making excuses when he lost. Jordan did it so well that people like Lebron and Kobe imitated him.
Here is why skips logic basically proves that lebron is either goat or 2nd. Lebron has a 4-6 record in the finals. But he had an injured team in 15, and that is the excuse skip used for KD not winning. So 4-5 lebron had a way worse team in 17-18. 4-3. In conclusion lebron good
🤔 What a lot of people don't understand is that the LeBron hate is not only a propaganda perpetrated by Jordan minions / fans. It's also generated by the "powers-that-be" beyond a basketball game Its because LeBron James is the biggest social justice advocate in sport since Muhammad Ali. And the establishment would rather have ten Michael "shut up and dribble" Jordans off the court than another LeBron James who patterns himself after the Great Muhammad Ali. Trust me when I tell you the "powers-that-be" despise LeBron James and its WAY MORE sinister than most realize! TRUST! 💯
Social justice lmao. Like ignoring China doing a genocide, inciting violence over an Officer doing his job to protect someone against a knife to their throat. A clown that claims he does his research. Ali ran away from The draft like a coward but Ali took a bigger stand than lefraud ever has and will. Lefraud won't ever be the goat at his sport like Ali is to boxing let alone an actual social justice pracriciner as long as he clings to his woke agenda and refuses to go after his Chinese masters.
nah dude, it’s LBJ doing it to himself not to mention his management. ESPN was basically promoting LBJ… LBJ never accepted any blame when it was clearly on him… Drive the lane and take the foul… take the free throws. nope, he doesn’t because he knows he cracks under pressure… so he’ll pass the ball to an open 3. Tiger Woods had some crazy expectations once he won the Masters.
@@belchmelch “cracks under pressure”? ... I find it interesting that the guy who is considered the goat, retires at his peak and people do not see that as a knock on his mentality.. Riddle me this, if he's such a killer as everyone claims why retire when you can continue to win another title after the 3 peat?......
I'm a MJ fan I still believe he's the goat personal but LBJ does get alot of slander that MJ didn't have only for the fact no1 in the NBA at the time was the "goat" there really wasn't a bar or level to be held to as "goat". MJ is the bar or was(depends on personal preference) of goat. So now we got someone to compare to. That's what I believe is the problem.
There was a much higher GOAT bar set long before Micheal Jordan ever picked up a basketball. It’s just been erased by the modern NBA media like it never existed, because the man and his achievements are “controversial” to a certain subset of fans and media outlets. The first and ultimate GOAT was and still is: *Mr Bill Russell* with his 11 championships in 13 seasons. As the best player on his team every single season, the best defender against Wilt Chamberlain by a long shot, and *also* the full time head coach on 2 of those championship teams for a total of 13 championship rings! His 2-way performance was always elevated in the playoffs; there was literally no one else they could name the Finals MVP trophy after. At the same time he was playing, Mr. Bill Russell was also an *integral* part of the US Civil Rights movement/fight. And, along with his religious credentials Mr.Bill Russell personally set up THE critical first face-to-face meeting between the sitting US President and MLK’s group. The group that was demonized as “violent” because it was at the time being tear gassed and attacked by police dogs during 100% peaceful protests. PLUS. Mr.Bill Russell’s personal intervention was also integral in the hours and days immediately after the assassination of MLK, in leading the negotiations between the opposing Right Wingers in Congress that vowed to never allow even a reading, and the Civil Rights supporters with the US President. [A full 70% of European-Americans openly opposed even the idea of the Civil Rights Act leading up to its passing and the 5yrs of opposing legal challenges after its passing into law by the Legislative & Presidential branches of federal power] Mr.Russell was personally in the negotiations make sure it got not just to a vote, but also had the necessary super-majority of 60 senate votes on the right side of history to pass immediately. Mr.Bill Russell’s tireless hard work on both sides of the aisle. One that had him, and his young family, targeted multiple times by right-wing US religious extremists during his career and afterwards, in Boston and the US SouthEast. That lead to the end of the 10days of national protests with the passing of the Civil Rights Act! There was a very high bar before MJ. It was just erased so MJ’s much lower purely “shut up and dribble” commercialization could be easily sold to the new generation watching the NBA in the 1980-90s.
@@jalilmac95 look I got no clue but I do agree that the media presence is definitely on a whole other level compared to back then. I believe between just the players of the NBA magic might have been the goat cuz when they had that "secret game" at pratice on the dream team it was basically magic vs MJ and MJ won and magic acknowledged like it's ur league. This just my take tho
His "toxic behavior " was made public only until recently with the Last Dance, you think there won't be stories about how Lebron acts behind the scenes once he retires? Jordan was praised like no other becuase he was individually spectacular to watch and he was a winner and seen as a winner just like Brady. No excuses.
Jordan endured slander in his day too it just wasn’t social media and all these debate shows said he couldn’t win, he was selfish etc etc but guys like Peter vescey in the 90s would make skip look like a Lebron apologist 🤣🤣🤣
You have to have 3 key things at the same time to reach G.O.A.T. stat. 1. Championships/Rewards 2. Statistics 3. Impact on the game. Jordan & Lebron accomplished all 3. Lebron has the statistics + longevity hands down + 3 eastern and 1 western conference chips over Jordan. Jordan has 2x 3 peated both Chips & FMVP's + a undefeated finales appearance record between the two of them + DPOY and 3 more All Defensive Player over Lebron. Both impacted the game without any doubt, but Jordan still has a significantly larger and sustaining presence on the game currently on a global scale. (This is all just opinionated. Please feel free to disagree if you like. It's all love all around here.) 🥰
Skip is the most Hypocritical Media Personality when it comes to Jordan and Bron. It’s just shameful the way they spit facts to him and he just tries to diminish Lebron with the same points he praises Jordan, just blasphemy man he needs to learn to listen
only had to beat 1 team above .500 to reach the finals. best opponent he had was pistons who had no ben wallace and had washed up chris webber. Pistons, by record, was the 6th worst 1st seed in nba history. cavs being top 5 in defensive rating, would just need 1 star scorer to get far in that trash conference.
@@toddw.6965 U mean almost as weak as LeBron Finals opponents considering MJ Finals opponents had higher Winning regular season W % that is 61,8 👀🤷🏾♂️
@Mercurial. I'm not sure what percentages yourenlooking at, but the 73-9 Warriors had a nice win share. Any particular teams one season record is not an indicator of difficulty either. If the league is balanced competitively, records won't show dominant teams. A great example of this is the current Western conference. So don't sit here and act like Jordan's Finals' opponents can be compared to the dynasty Warriors or Spurs, who represent 7 of LeBron's 10 Final's appearances. Name one. I'll wait.
Also regarding Shannon's comment about nobody comparing Jordan to anybody.... That is utter bs. I remember people saying "he is good, but he is no magic".
That’s the point. It would make sense if he came in the league and did nothing he is a four time champion, with four Regular season abd FMVPs plus he might become the ALL TIME LEADING SCORER IN NBA HISTORY and people still say she is not GREAT 😮!!!! HOW?
Shannon absolutely kills skip aha. After he responds to skip, skip has absolutely nothing to say 😂sitting their like some kid. He knows Shannon in talking sense
I disagree. Most of the slander is brought upon himself. Calling himself the “goat” His ignorant political tweets, his support for Hilary, fake hate crimes, his tweets about “playoff mode activated” I could go on and on.
@@Deemo202 calling himself the goat is a huge part of it then he joined Miami that is pretty much where 90% of it comes from and that is all basketball
Literally every criticism of Lebron here can also be applied to MJ. It’s just absurd, as if Jordan never had a bad game or lost a series. Curry has had literally one mediocre playoff performance in his entire career in 2016 and it’s the only thing skip ever wants to talk about. Never mind his unbelievable play in just about every other series he’s ever been in. MJ lost a lot of playoff games in his career just like every other all time great.
True. But Jordan was always considered still the best player even in bed shooting situations. Look at his shooting percentage Game 6 of the 1998 NBA finals. But is negative by the fact that he literally made to cut free throws, got a quick score, literally stole the ball from Karl malone, and hit the game winning shot. You could Nick pick the fact that he had a bad fourth quarter but the man still came through for his team. And unlike LeBron and Steph he did it with outload management. He never went and joined a Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh or ask a Kevin Durant to come and join his team. Jordan also has a more consistent Peak and a traditional one at that much like many of the all-time greats. You have a point where you have to learn how to win first which Jordan did in the first 5 years when he got eliminated the first round and struggled against the bad boy pistons. Then he started winning championships. And then he had a decline when he was past his prime when he was with the Wizards again like most athletes eventually hit. But outside of going to eight consecutive finals where is Lebron's? Where he actually formed a dynasty? The fact of the matter is that he hasn't whereas Jordan did. IF Jordan had less championships and had made it to less Finals than Lebron then I would say LeBron's eight straight finals appearances would hold more weight. But that's not fact isn't it? It's a hypothetical in which case I will have to concede to fairness. Just like Brady having seven championships compared to Montana's 5 makes him the G.O.A.T. You have to EARN that right. No one should be coddled into accepting it. Lebron may be the heavily scrutinized but he's also the most coddled.
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So Skip You Wanna Talk about Jordan is The GOAT bc Jordan He has more Rings than LeBron. Jordan, and LeBron Are Both Great Players Who Ever Played The Game Of Basketball. But If You Wanna Determine Who is The GOAT Player of Basketball By Rings. Then Bill Russell Has 11 Rings, Robert Horry has 7 Rings that's One Up on Michael Jordan.
Lebron is great. All time. Seemingly a great guy, great father, great business man… but he didn’t exceed expectations if the expectations was to be better than Jordan, because he’s not.
Skipp loves mj Shannon loves the king j😋
I hate it when Skipp says mj was god in sneakers hate that comparison😂
@@k05odom32 address Larry Bird about that
“Everybody wants you to be successful until you become successful” - very well said
Yes it was 💯
Absolutely!
George Floyd
You got that right.
personal experience....yeah I agree
Skip accounts for about 98% of the Lebron slander on a daily 😂🤣😂🤣
He’s the Lebron Hate Ambassador
And Lebron deserves that bec he BADLY wants so be the MEDIA that his own channel is under the ESPN flag like yall black Americans are so deluded at it comes!!!
He deserves it. He started it all
@@jeraldsikes6186 You and the guy above you has so much insecurities in your life, that you find time in your day to post hateful comments. Bravo my brother, you are what they call side characters.
How it’s slander when it’s facts/opinion
I’ve never seen a player in my 34 yrs of life more scrutinized than Lebron and for no reason at all… Im appreciate his greatness and I’m blessed to be able to see Kobe,MJ and Lebron play on a basketball court… You had to be there
No reason at all?? He brings it on himself.
@@RavensFlock9592 bro you need help. 🤣🤣
@@RavensFlock9592 because he calls himself the greatest ?
Kareem, Kobe etc all called themselves the greatest as well.
Lol you are braindead. Lebron invites all the scrutiny in the world. You guys are beyond delusional. It's appalling
@@MrComputertrends
No you and y'all need help 😂😂😂
LeBron was the talk of the Town even before he got to the NBA.
He's literally been under a microscope walking on Eggshells and more than lived up to every expectation while also keeping his career pretty much spotless.
So what? Lebron has had a successful life and career just like Jordan. Why should anyone feel "pity" or feel sorry for Lebron. It's ridiculous.
@@dnice4145 who is pitying him it’s just a fact
He did not meet expectations too many finals losses
@@GreaterThanSolomon you tripping
His career has been amazing and his overall story is one of the greatest in sports.
Ain't no one force Skip's hand to defend MJ. From First Take to Undisputed, he has used LeBron to further his own career
Thank you
Oh no?
U think it's a COINCIDENCE that UNDISPUTED started right after that summer Cavs 2016 won the title 🤓
Just admit u are black who writes this bec yall Americans is all about colour agendas. Its disgusting bec yall can't deal with FACTS on a daily basis!
I glad Shannon said it
And I hope Stephen A respond and say that’s why he didn’t want to work with skip anymore because everyday was a hate lebron show
Truuu
It’s truly incredible to me how many times they have had the same exact Jordan vs Lebron argument on this show. I’m honestly impressed how they can give each other the same exact opinions day after day and not get tired of it.
Word
It makes money, so I doubt it matters to them if they're tired of it.
It’s called indoctrination of the masses lol. They do this with politics, Hollywood media, etc… any ideas they want the masses to have the most, they will drill into your heads by having the same convo over n over and that’s why u see people who will repeat themselves over n over as if they haven’t said the same thing 1000s of times and 9x out of 10 just like the debate of jordan and MJ being the top 2 ever, they are wrong lol
grdxhdrh
And ur still watching it
Well said Shannon. I couldn't even said it better than that. Indeed this young man has exceeded all our expectations. I have always said give this man credit while he is alive.
Give michael jordan credit while he is alive .
Remember skip says Lebron ain’t all that and in the same breath says baker mayfield is god’s gift.
The expectation is for him to play basketball because he’s a basketball player. Just like the rest of the guys in the nba. If they try to operate outside of that they open themselves up for critique on a personal level.
Right on, Brother. Right on!
@@paulmccarthy4277 Who doesn't give Mike credit? Everyone knows how great Jordan was.
LeBron gets more slander/hate in one minute of social media than some HOFs get in their entire lives.
For example, Grant Hill (HOF) gets 0.00000000000000000001% of the slander/hate LeBron gets.
Like you don’t see no life trolls out there creating sock accounts of Grant Hill or bringing up any negative blemishes of his career ad nauseam or dedicating their daily lives to discredit his greatness.
Get real, Grant Hill was never as high profile of a player like Lebron. Why even make the comparison?
@@dnice4145 You must be young. Every player that could play Mike’s style of ball, one on one, was considered the next Jordan...Grant Hill included. Rider, Stackhouse the list goes on and on
@@kenanyahbenisrael8417 none of those were called the chosen one before entering the league
Who said Lebron got his parent killed, like they said about Jordan? It doesn’t get more abusive and slanderous than that.
@@GreaterThanSolomon Media did that...not Lebron. He was asking while in high school who his favorite player was..and like most he said Jordan
Shannon got really good at handling Skip. He responds with great facts instead of losing his mind despite the crazy things Skip might say. He won this argument again. Kudos!
@J Money nah I'm black I usually disagree with Shannon alot
@J Money im as white as it gets my friend lol... and i agree with Shannon 99 percent over Skip.
@@dollarbill6342 based. Shannon is lustful for lequeen
LeBron played his entire career during the social media era and the "worst" thing he did was change teams. Love MJ, but if his run spanned the gotcha journalism world we now live in, he'd be viewed a lot differently.
Not if he still won 6 rings
people were telling jordan that he was the reason his father died. Lebron never went through anything like that
No one endured the media attention Jordan received. Jordan got everyone watching basketball, me included. Lebron is amazing, but not Jordan. Jordan would never flop to get a call. He would put on muscle and fight. For me, Kobe is above Lebron.
@@wesroberts1983 good thing no one asked you
Word up TRE! I try & keep it bball but Jordan loses 2 BRON off court 4sho!
Skip says he doesn't hate but I've been watching for years and maybe can recall 3 time he's said anything remotely positive about LeBron.
@George Prchal I only know of 2 times, 1 being when he says Lebron has the highest IQ in basketball, and 2. He is the best passer in basketball. Oh yeah I 4got, no one can freight train to the basket like he does in history. Which all is nothing earth shattering. Any real NBA follower knows that, can see that, and does not have to be told that by Skip Bayless. He needs to stop the BS.
@@kingofqueens68 I don't think he uses freight train as a compliment, a backhanded one maybe.
@@georgeprchal3924 Maybe it is a backhanded one, but to me it sounds like he means it as a straight up compliment especially since he says it every time he says the other compliments. So I tend to believe him. But for him to only find 2 or 3 things to compliment the man on after a 20 yrs career is just shameful. But it shows you just what kind of person Skip is and will always be.
@@kingofqueens68 he says freight train to diminish lebron like this: “he runs from the late game freethrow line, he passed the ball for no reason, he’s a freight train and the greatest driver of the basketball we have ever seen! He could have gotten to the line but he scared of freethrows, he’s got the demons.”
@@alltimehustle3307 Well thats your opinion, but I interpret it differently as if no one can stop him when he wants to drive to the basket being the greatest driver of the basketball we have ever seen.
This clip pretty much summed up Skip Bayless' TV career. He's pretty much said exactly the same thing for 20 years.
Skip say LeBron not even in the debate but debates it everyday 😂😂😂
Because he debates against someone with no sense🤣😂Lebron put it on himself to be compared to Jordan. And it’s not a debate. But to people like Shannon, gargling the kings balls for sneakers
That's LeShannon and not Skip 😂
" Everybody wants you to be successful, until you become successful" Uncle Shay spitting facts 💯
Absolutely!
@@samjon6403 and surpassed them, lebron could retire right now as top two, top three all time. Stop hating
@@samjon6403 it doesn't matter what you think
@@samjon6403 the rock's voice
@@samjon6403 everything curry doing nash or rick barry did first
Again, Skip not answering the question and turned it into a LeBron v. Michael debate. The fact still remains: NOBODY has received the amount of criticism that LeBron has gotten over the years. It just doesn’t compare
Most of dat criticism has came from Skip Lebron is loved worldwide knock it off
@@slimcarter3738 but he also has haters worldwide, Skip just happens to do it on TV. Not everyone is a LeBron fan and NOBODY criticized MJ the way LeBron has. MJ is known worldwide as the GOAT and people see him as MJ’s successor and hold him to that standard. And whenever he doesn’t live up to that standard, then he’s a crybaby, he only joins super teams, and etc etc…
Yea because we know lebron is not that guy if we talking W-L lebron is considered an average player if we talking box office stats to increase or sell tickets then I guess curry isn’t better than lebron
@@slimcarter3738 lebron is not him if we talking W-L he’s an average player
@@MajinMarcus_ them are FACTZ it took for lebron to change teams after they build a team around lebron to win a championship. Steph never change teams Kobe never change 2 players that’s way better than lebron tell me something lebron did to make him the goat or what he did for his team mates to make them better
I’m an MJ guy as GOAT but Lebron is incredible and has exceeded all expectations. He for sure had to deal with more criticism with all the new avenues nowadays.
No he hasn’t exceeded expectations. He was the “chosen one” the one to replace Jordan. He’s barely top 7
You sir deserve my respect i hope all mj fan is like you
@@GreaterThanSolomon u a goofy stop watching basketball lmao
@@Christappedin you a bronsexual, get some help lmfao
@@GreaterThanSolomon as a Jordan guy that's a flat out lie,no player has spent half his career in the finals and PFS. If someone says he LeBron is the goat I have no problem with it. He most definitely sitting across from MJ. Jordan is my goat because of his individual greatness not because of 6-0. If that's the case Montana is 4-0 but do you call him the goat of QBs?
Charles Barkley said it best, LeBron James is the greatest sports story ever told, he did everything right.
The story of a guy who changed teams multiple times for easier shots a winning? Oh yeah, inspirational story
@@poocrayon4588 story about a boy raised by a teenage single mother in a poor neighborhood who became the face of the best basketball league in the world.
@@CulEdz Big deal, loads of guys have made it from bad situations, it's hardly the greatest story ever told or even a remotely original story. The actual story of his career makes him a pretty unlikeable hero though. Don't remember the sports movies where the good guy swaps teams 4 times for an easier shot at winning and betrays all his orginizations who put faith in him .
@@poocrayon4588 after he won chips with each team. U forgot to add
@@poocrayon4588 jordan switched sports lmaooooo
That restaurant analogy around the end of the video was incredible Shannon is the 🐐
Just as the 🐐 LeBron who's the only MVP in NBA HISTORY with the most Finals L's of 6 😭
@@Mercurial. your literally racist we caught you lacking in the comments talking about black Americans
@@Mercurial. And the second highest total of 4 FMPs, breaking the tie of three with Magic, Shaq and Duncan.
One of them, doing what had never been done, coming back from down 1-3 against a 73 win team, with two games on GSW home court, including game 7. All he did was score 41 two games in a row, and then get a triple double.
Skip: "I don't hate Lebron"
Also skip: "I just don't want Lebron to do better than Michael Jordan"
I believe both of those statements are true. Its moreso favoritism than hate.
@@slickshotzz13 The thing is when Skip puts LeBron at #9 all-time it's hard to see it as anything but hate
@@unc54
How is that hate when Lebron is THE ONLY MVP IN NBA HISTORY with 6 Finals L's 🤓
@@Mercurial. I'll flip that statement. How many people have even been to 6 NBA Finals?
@@unc54
How is that a valid flip talking about other players when it's Lebron who FAILED MISERABLY like WTF are u on drugs my guy?!
Or are u one of those who talks about reaching Finals appearances while LOSING finals is the new 🥇...
Always said, never seen an athlete like Lebron James get so criticized in everything from basketball to off tha court.. Of course Jordan endured that, but not at this level 🤯… Plus there was no social media like today.. If this man LBJ sneeze, ppl may say he did that wrong too lol smh… Skip is tha driving force at times n starts all kinda fires 🔥 lol
Tell me, would you like to get slandered when your Father just recently died? MJ endured that, everyone made crazy asf stories saying his gambling addiction got his father killed.
@@ferchango6359 Umm I said that he of course endured that as well, obviously n there was no social media back then.. But what did I say have anything to do with his fathers death May he R.I.P. And I know I hear what ya saying but I said Mike endured it too.. Don’t twist it bcuz EVERY SUPERSTAR GETS THAT from time to time, but Lebron gets criticized for almost everything. Again at times, SM hasn’t always been tha best for a lot of athletes.. And yes you got a point, unfortunately his father passed n I was so young when this happened, n watched his game(s) as I got older tha older ones, n I remember watching his championship runs as I got older.. Never seen MJ happy n sad at tha same time when he won his next rings, his Pop’s wasn’t by his side n anyone n everyone would want to be happy n as happy as MJ wanted to be, he was so sad n that was heartbreaking 💔
@@ferchango6359 You’re a liar.
Stop using broad generalizations like “everybody” was slandering Jordan, not a single major publication accused him of harming his father.
That’s as idiotic as saying that “everybody” accused LeBron of sacrificing Kobe & GiGi.
Conspiracy theorists always create these stories but it’s not everyone.
@@criticalthought4910 no one said lebron did it, they think they were sacrificed for the Lakers... which was true.
That dude loves the attention and brings a lot of it on himself because I believe he’s intelligent and calculated w every move he makes
That is crazy how the Cavs owner called him a quitter but hopped on a private jet to welcome him back, that's hilarious
He called him a quitter in bitterness over his decision to leave. The context Skip won't mention for some reason.
@@phillipschuman4307 because skip sides with the owner aka the oppressor in the situation
lebum is garbage 🗑️ trash 🚮 so is the woman who birthed him.
@@StrikeTeam0316 says the guy who never seen half of what lebron's earned lmfaoooooo
@@thegoat6325 money doesn’t define character. You and the woman who birthed you are also garbage 🗑️ trash 🚮
Skip says "his hand was forced" in reaction to Shannon coming on the show in 2016 and proclaiming LBJ is the GOAT. Yeah right... Skip's BS goes WAAYYYYY further back. One of the lowest moments is LBJ winning his 1st title with Miami while upping his production significantly from the previous year when Dirk and the Mavs beat them, and having been criticized by Skip and even others for a good year for coming up short. Averaged 29-10-7 in the series. And a triple double in the deciding game. The next morning you then had First Take with Stephen A and Skip talk about that game and LBJ's first title. Skip goes on for 6 minutes with backhanded compliments and again highlighting cherry picked shortcomings. Pathetic. Whether it's trolling for max reactions or a genuine take - doesn't matter. There are moments when you should just give the flowers if you're a stand up guy, instead of undermining someone when they don't deserve it / when the facts don't warrant it.
Couldnt have said it better
Facts
Facts man
I’m looking for this clip and can’t find it I’m in shambles
Skip got the Hater 🎩 of the year 🧧award for the last like 17 years or so the last one was Silky Johnson but after that kids I promise you skip been winning 🏆 🥇 dude is a mad hater frfr
I got MJ the goat but man , the slander the attention that Bron got even before he got to the league that even his cavs teammates before the draft said he wouldn't dominate in the league . Hes been under the microscope since then and to exceed the expectations with higher succes being top 3 best player for 15 years , thats when you have to respect the mans greatness . You can hate him but you can never disrespect what he done .
Thank you.
I got Lebron as the goat then Jordan
Because he picked the number 23 and was called the King
@@mayankingrevisited8815 kobe daddy wore 23 before jordan and every man is a King , no problems in that at all
@@thegoat6325 Be prepared for the scrutiny that comes with being a King
This is the best I’ve ever seen Shannon.
This social media age is what made Lebron go to Miami. The people that “hate” Lebron don’t realize they are the ones that created all the things they supposedly hate Lebron for
Yep! For example, every single year they speculate about what stars my join the Lakers and show pictures of them in Lakers jerseys and then say that "Lebron is always hunting for stars"
It had nothing to do with social media. The cavs organization sucks and he wanted to win
Kobe went through the same "social media age". Didn't bother him one bit. He didn't need it to validate himself. Lebron is so weak and needy in comparison. Dude needed a dad in his life.
No, losing in the playoffs year after year is what caused that
@@nbagoats4819 Kobe is a different animal mentally. And he’s weak compared to Lebron in terms of basketball talent
LEBRON moved to Miami and was immediately dubbed the most hated man in SPORTS How is it even a debate? 🤣😂
He joined the heat to win a ring or form something but after he won that ring he just left
And where was Miami before Lebron, and Lebrons Miami team doesn’t compare to Durants warriors
@@theglassesriley8229 he won two rings
He should have stayed in Cleveland. Once Michael did started his winning run in the finals, he never lost. That’s a big difference than winning and losing. He was consistent. LJ is great, but he will never be MJ.
He wasn't trying to live in MJ shoes....nobody could fit those shoes the closest that came to that was the black mamba he said MJ was like his brother..u know what that means though?
westbrook & harden wayyy more foh
Skip got bodied on this debate! And this is someone who has LeBron 2nd ALL TIME! But if Jordan had played in the social media era he would be looked at differently!
Skip and Stephen A are responsible for this scrutinized social media attention. It never had to be this way but ESPN First Take had the gasoline and matches to build this for the basketball culture.
lol MJ would make burner accounts and pull up after games talking abt how noobmaster22 called him fraudulent, so he dropped 50 the next night
And did!! He knew he did too. Lol
@@jamesbrown2189 Lol exactly!!
@@mike.cdn7212 💯
Duh I mean is this really even a question 😂 😂 Lebron is the most scrutinized and slandered man in all of sports
Fax
Cristiano Ronaldo
History next to maybe Ali
It’s Ronaldo and it’s not even close 😂
He is but that’s about it
Kobe definitely didn't get the scrutiny LeBron gets but Kobe did get slammed a lot. And Kobe got compared to MJ too which also put wild expectations on him. Kobe got slammed for being selfish and not being a good leader. They also questioned his ability to shoot consistently earlier in his career
Kobe also committed a terrible crime. I don't like LeBron but if he did that it would end his career.
@@Btash97
You mean like that LeBalco will end a fake made up clown basketball legacy of his 💉👀
Shannon: "Everybody wants you to be successful until you become successful"
Lebron is so good only micheal jordan can be used against him and it’s still close this shows how great he is.
The part that trips me out most is people bash LeBron for making it to the Finals and losing.. But don’t look over the years Jordan couldn’t get there.. The scrutiny LeBron has faced his entire career until this day and hour of somebody hitting send on a Tweet 📲 is unparalleled.. There’s no comparison.
Coz historically the way to the Finals for Lebron has always been comparatively easy , below 500 teams and all. Jordan lost 1st rounds to a legendary Celtics team, its like if Lebron met the Spurs team in the first round.If you gonna claim for the throne of being the goat, your case should be compelling.Again if it comes down to being the greatest, all that matters is how many you've won being the main guy once you get there, just being there won't cut it.
TBF if Jordan could carry his team to a higher seed, he wouldn't have to play against the all time great Celtics.
And lets not talk about teammates, Lebron had a terrible team when he arrived in Cleveland and still managed to carry them to a conference finals
@@lukabrezo See thats the point the teams at that Eastern conference was stacked it wasn't just the Celtics they had to contend with for a higher seed.The East during Lebrons early years was comparatively weaker, with just a couple teams having 50 wins or more every year, so its much easier to get a higher seeding.Doesnt matter if he had terrible teammates when majority of the East teams have worse lineup.
@@MrPangahas the pistons, Celtics in the 2000s were weak? He faced the pacers on the heat which when to 7 games as well as the Celtics again in the early 2010s than in 2015 he loses Kyrie and love and battles both top seeds in both conferences and swept the number 1 seed in Atlanta. Than after losing Kyrie in 2018 he has the greatest playoffs run that was anything but easy as he faced the raptors who were the 1st seed and he swept them. Than again goes against the Celtics that goes 7 games all while having little to no help. Y’all say it was easy and a cakewalk because he’s done it consistently the lengths you bron haters go to discredit this man is pathetic
@@MrPangahas you could say the same about the finals. Jordan was ALWAYS the favourite to win the finals therefore weak finals competition meaning easy cakewalk win. LeBron has been favourite only 3 times in all of his finals lol harder finals competition.
Yes he has and Jordan himself said that the athletes today are so scrutinized he wouldn't have taken it well
I'm a Spurs fan, and Duncan is my guy...but LeBron has had an amazing career and even a former LeBron-hater like me acknowledges that.
Thank you. Glad you are a former hater. The man inspires many. MJ did also. I just love greatness period.
understatement of the century
Respect for honesty bro
I respect the spurs but man they were boring too watch
I’m a former Lebron hater as well. Jordan was my GOAT growing up and like Skip I couldn’t handle the thought of anyone being greater. I hated the late great Kobe (RIP) until I realized he wouldn’t get six. I hated Lebron for most of his career. I finally realized that the goal post is always moved when it comes to his greatness. A 73 win team had to go get KD to beat a HEALTHY Lebron led team. Jordan never faced the teams Lebron faced in the Finals.
couldn't agree more. i'm not the biggest LBJ fan, but i acknowledge that he's one of the GOATS and his stats and achievements speak for themselves. and speaking as a father, i can't say enough good things about him as a role model for the NBA -- never gets into trouble and loves his wife, kids, and craft. you can't ask more from an honorable man than that!
unlike jordan who had scandal upon scandal😭
Once again Shannon destroy Skip what happened ‘84, ‘85, ‘86, ‘87, ‘88, ‘89, ‘90 🤷♂️ y’all hold EVERY SINGLE year of LeBron’s career against him what happens to jordan? Also what happened in his later year in Washington since LeBron’s later years are being held to the same standard as year 9 LeBron? 😂😂😂🤷♂️👂👂 keep that same energy
We kept that same energy, & guess what the loser didn't even make the Play-Ins
@@ferchango6359 and jordan played 13 seasons and only made the finals 6 times. So sad. Bron went to 10 in 9 years. Bron better. Clown
Jordan never left the team that drafted him like Lebron did when things weren’t going his way early on 🤷♂️
@@NYGForever ha so. What does that have to do with winning. Take a seat boy. Yal salty Bron won with every team and changed the NBA and made it for players to play with who they want. Get over it
Lebron in the 2010’s dominated the conference
Jordan in the 90’s dominated the conference & FINALS🐐 it’s levels to this silly kids, Bron simply isn’t on Jordan’s level
Skip loves bringing up that sedated part 😭😭😭
Skip has his Skipisms, he usually uses them when he falters in his arguments
Bec it was THE TRUTH 😂
Why does so many Americans problem with a black mans TRUTH?!
people don't realize that it's because his teammate Delonte West ended up sleeping with Bron's mom
Love Shannon's energy!!
Bec he was screaming and yelling when he gets emotionally BUTTHURT 😭
Skip last argument is always 2011 when he’s losing a debate 😂😂😂
Everybody's Smh
I mean it was the worst sports meltdown of all time
@@bboywolf Nah, Clippers losing to Denver was 🤣🤣🤣 2011 is Second
It is a Fact !!
@@Fluff23145 no, lebron choking in the 4th quarter after mocking dirk for being sick
Legit question for the masses.. would Skip Bayless still have this successful career if he was not allowed to talk about LeBron everyday?
He was already successful before LeBron as a writer and journalist.. he would've still been successful with his transition to television, but there's no way he'd be in the exact spot that he's in today without LeBron.. if LeBron and Skip ever have a face to face conversation, the very first thing LeBron should say to Skip is "You're welcome."..
No
@@BB13131313 Nah, if it wasn't LeBron it would have just been another player.
Yes
He still had Brady, Tebow, the Cowboys, and others. Now a different way of saying that would be, would tv sports coverage be how it is now without skip's stance on lebron?
Shannon gets so frustrated with Skip's hard-headedness, and I don't blame him. It reminds me of when I'm trying to explain to my grandpa how to open his email.
Here's my opinion, why can't people just enjoy their greatness without comparing them
If only we all lived in a Fantasy World with Gold Brick Roads and Rainbow Roses.
Because people like Skip & Shannon spread negativity.
Because greatness is only appreciate when the player is retired.
Then this show wouldn’t exist 😂😂
Tell Shannon that.
Shannon you made very good and well thought out points that any reasonable person would agree with. Good job 👏
How does Skip convince himself to believe his argument? 😭
He's acting. He knows better in reality.
NBA Season just ended a few days ago. First Monday after back to the Jordan vs LeBron debates all summer 😂😂😂😂
Love it 🤩
Bron is the Goat thats why … if he wasnt they wouldnt bother like how they dont bother kobe vs mj but say he was the closest to him.. bron been getting compared to mj since early in his career and has did and passed mj in a whole lot since then .. mj media would never put bron pass mj and im aware of that, but it aint a coincidence that lebron is still in the convo hes bouta be 20years in
@@nbatalk714 what bron pass Jordan in total stats ??? The LeBron James goat conversation is only entertained by LeBron fans no one else
@@nbatalk714 factuals
@@nbatalk714 he been passed jordan my guy
Thank you Shannon!! MJ was drafted in 1984.. his career didn’t start in 91’.. keep the same energy with MJ like y’all do Lebron
Ok, jordan played less time and has done more than bron, I don't get what u saying
Lebum drafted in 03, his career didn’t start until 2011. You lebum fans are a big part of the problem
MJ 6 - 0 👍
LJ 4 - 6 👎
@@timmyharrison9930 you sound stupid Asf
@@packboyripps1622 why does that matter? He went to the finals 9 of the 10 years straight
Damn! I'm a loyal undisputed fan..... I gotta say Shannon destroyed this argument for sure......
Bec he was screaming and yelling?
🤡
So is tweeting out “LeGone” every hour Shannon’s fault too?
Skip is really that mad that he didn’t get that interview with lebron back in 08-09. He even said it that if that interview would have happened things would have been much different.
I knew it was something like that
How would that change the fact that Lebron completely melted down against the Mavericks? I mean the dude was literally too scared to even TOUCH the basketball lol
@@kungfukenny8098 Stop with the revisionist history, bro
@@ghost_in_the_robot it’s not my fault you didn’t watch the 2011 playoffs
@@kungfukenny8098 One bad playoff series doesn't diminish everything else he's done in his career, and there are many great players who've had a bad playoff series.
Saying Kobe was never criticized with a straight face is crazy
Not as much as lebron at such a young age and live up to it. Kobe coming into the league was not the same as when LeBron came in. Point blank
Kobe was raked over the coals for 1 thing. Remember what that was?
For the ones who reads this just know this is only the beginning keep pushing, grinding, and fighting. Whatever it is in life you want to do to go after it life is to short. Life is a marathon not a sprint so go out there and live it up I hope all is well and goes well for you peace and one love.🙏🏽
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Could you imagine Lebron saying in his prime im quitting, and then coming back. Everybody would slander him to death
Not if he had just three peated brought USA basketball back to respectability by competing in the Olympics and globalized the game and also brought in billions from new TV deals being the face of basketball…Lebron didn’t do any of that so if he would’ve done that of course it wouldn’t be looked at the same by his first retirement Jordan damn near did everything bron has now…context is everything
Not if he 3 peated and lost his mother, like Jordan lost his father in 93 🤷
@@donovanprice3321 lebron was and is the face of the nba since 2007
@@sensei_... Lebron didn’t do any of those things I just mentioned the money that they are making now is STILL due to MJs influence are you mad
He shuda quit that was All his Mothers fault and yall know why
At the end of the day, both Michael Jeffrey Jordan and LeBron Raymone James are two of the greatest basketball players of all time. They are the only two NBA players that is worth $billion+ from their on the court/off the court endeavors. Both are legends in their own right.
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No....! It's MJ AND KOBE no other will belong...!!!😎👌
Yes on the court… I’m team Jordan…. But show me the athlete that’s ever been expected to do so much and been under the kind of scrutiny the Lebron has been under. And despite that… he’s love it or hate it… he’s succeeded and exceeded!!! Period!
No he hasn’t, he was marketed as the new goat and failed
@@GreaterThanSolomon Perspective.
@sk example please
@@georgeclyde7904 factual perspective
@@GreaterThanSolomon facts
SKIP is the ring leader of all the twitter trolls. I bet you if Lebron talked to Skip as much as Jordan did he would be singing a different tune.
Shannon speaking Facts. Skip is out there tryna dramatize things when he has nothing to say
Just the fact that Lebron has never recognised Skip not even once is in itself why he is the GOAT !
Lebron is top 10 he’s a goat
MJ never told anybody he was the greatest of all time. Everybody just knew it. No comparison whatsoever.
Popular opinion doesn't mean factual, and he's not the only player in that conversation. There are many great players before him who don't think he's the greatest ever.
He’s the greatest. Just look at what he accomplished. I was lucky enough to to see him play the warriors twice and he absolutely crushed them. More finals wins with no losses. Way more scoring titles. DPOY the list goes on and on. And yes there’s lots of other great players. Kareem is better than Lebron. Why do people think being called the second or third great player to live is a slap in the face? There have been thousands of players. To be in the top ten is a huge honor. Calling yourself the GOAT is a sure fire way to show you aren’t.
1. Wilt
2. Jordan
3. Lebron
close to factual my guy!
LeBron has been in those debates for over 5 years and hes still playing lmaoooooo
@@heatnix3223 anyone before 1980 doesn’t count
Agreed With Shannon ✊🏾 400%
Skip is the definition of the old man who says my era was the best and there is nothing you can say that will convince me it was not. While he watches the flying cars pass by him. True definition of a old hater
I am going to use this..... great one ...rotfl😁😁🤣🤣
Nah, Jordan was just a whole different animal. Better career AND better player than Bron. Better scorer, defender, finisher, footwork, handles, etc Jordan was a more efficient Kobe.
"He stays healthy." That was true, but since joining the Lakers, not so much. I hope he can make it through a full season next time, though.
Getting old all those miles
Doubt it, he only did it once his career
Michael Jordan had sports analysis like Ahmad Rashad guys who talk the game without disgracing or discrediting players,, could you imagine Stephen a Smith and Skip dealing with Michael Jordan gambling? And hating on him like they hate on LeBron ?Smh back then the guys had a bit more class,, these newer guys should take some pages from the old guys books
He had FRIENDS covering up for him, to maintain their access and friendship, knowing how Jordan held a grudge.
@@phillipschuman4307 Look how Jordan did Barkley. Jordan has been & will always be a baby.
@@phillipschuman4307 you think nobody covers for Lebron, you think Lebron's a saint? Lol
@@fmbbeachbum8163 Jordan has right to chose who he wants be friends with like all adults do are you a child? He handled like a man told Barkley he didn't like what he said directly and discontinued their friendship with no further public whining like Charles.
Those old enough to remember Kobe got slandered all time especially after the Lakers traded Shaq they said Kobe would never win as the main guy and he doesn't care about winning and Lakers picked the wrong guy.
No one talks about the fact how kobe lakers have to play against the spurs just to get out of the western conference. Lebron only competition only comes from the finals.
Not more than LeBron… and it’s not even really up for debate
@@adamjones1086 Lol half the NBA's stadiums shouted 'KOBE SUCKS' during entire REGULAR SEASON games let alone playoffs.
Dead sure you were young asf when Kobe played to say it's not up for debate because Lebron never experienced that ish.
Look up 'KOBE SUCKS' commercial.
@@ummok720 Exactly! Tim Duncan's Spurs made it to the Finals 6 times. They can't *both* make it. That level of competition was insane.
@@Herosennin U think NBA fans haven’t chanted that about LeBron? Lol. Think about all the people who legit will create accounts on Social media JUST to blast LeBron. It’s dudes with names out here like “LeChina” and “LeBum 4-6” and “Le3-6on” as their names. I ain’t never seen anything like that for Kobe. Not to mention the daily sports shows on TV and dudes like Skip who have built an entire career around slandering LeBron at any chance they get. No player has had that on them. Maybe Kobe would have gotten more hate if he was in his prime during the social media age, but to say he legit has faced just as much hate is nonsensical.
I’m not going to watch the video but I just want to applaud them for doing the same topic everyday in different ways 😂😂
Lol. Seriously. I will say Skip did provide a little more insight into his Lebron rampage in this video.
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Never liked LeBron but DAMMNNN… Skip lost these arguments. Shannon speaking truth 😂
If rather make it to the finals and losing, than getting knocked out before than. When you talk about Jordan and how he played, yeah LeBron isn't in that conversation because they are completely different players. Goat conversation, LeBron definitely deserves to be there. So LeBron looked up to someone and copied some of their habits? How dare he, nobody else ever did that.
Shannon owns skip in 98 percent of segments
jordan started in 84 before pippen he didnt won jack!!🤣 lmfao. it be facts tho.
romanticized memory for most and other fanatics havent seen him play. he was nothing shy of greatness incarnated but not until he had pippen. look at kobe and shaq.. shaq and penny karl malone and stockton. lebron carried a no talent team to play offs and finals. but jordan was his rolemodel and paved the way as dr j and magic did for michael, respect talent and both players and just enjoy greatness in the making and be glad to see it happening in front of your eyes. ive seen both and im honored to have seen and seeing that talent.
facts facts facts
Lebron has Factually received more critique and criticism than Jordon! Jordan was ALLOWED to be great! Lebron has been EXPECTED to be great and he has exceed all expectations! Jordan just had newspapers printed about him and Lebron has SOCIAL MEDIA and sports analysts on tv… Lebron factually has been criticized more! 💯
So what? Jordan wasn't "allowed " to be great he was great and earned everything he got, he wasn't given anything. Started from the bottom and rose to the top, without making excuses when he lost. Jordan did it so well that people like Lebron and Kobe imitated him.
lol no MJ wasnt "Allowed" to be great....he came in when Magic and Bird RAN the NBA...
“Old restaurant, but ya brought the same recipes” 😭
Here is why skips logic basically proves that lebron is either goat or 2nd. Lebron has a 4-6 record in the finals. But he had an injured team in 15, and that is the excuse skip used for KD not winning. So 4-5 lebron had a way worse team in 17-18. 4-3. In conclusion lebron good
🤔 What a lot of people don't understand is that the LeBron hate is not only a propaganda perpetrated by Jordan minions / fans. It's also generated by the "powers-that-be" beyond a basketball game
Its because LeBron James is the biggest social justice advocate in sport since Muhammad Ali. And the establishment would rather have ten Michael "shut up and dribble" Jordans off the court than another LeBron James who patterns himself after the Great Muhammad Ali.
Trust me when I tell you the "powers-that-be" despise LeBron James and its WAY MORE sinister than most realize! TRUST! 💯
Social justice lmao. Like ignoring China doing a genocide, inciting violence over an Officer doing his job to protect someone against a knife to their throat. A clown that claims he does his research. Ali ran away from The draft like a coward but Ali took a bigger stand than lefraud ever has and will. Lefraud won't ever be the goat at his sport like Ali is to boxing let alone an actual social justice pracriciner as long as he clings to his woke agenda and refuses to go after his Chinese masters.
nah dude, it’s LBJ doing it to himself not to mention his management.
ESPN was basically promoting LBJ… LBJ never accepted any blame when it was clearly on him… Drive the lane and take the foul… take the free throws. nope, he doesn’t because he knows he cracks under pressure… so he’ll pass the ball to an open 3.
Tiger Woods had some crazy expectations once he won the Masters.
@@belchmelch “cracks under pressure”? ... I find it interesting that the guy who is considered the goat, retires at his peak and people do not see that as a knock on his mentality.. Riddle me this, if he's such a killer as everyone claims why retire when you can continue to win another title after the 3 peat?......
Shannon ain't lying Skip did start all of lebron bashing way back to the first take days 🤣🤣🤣
I used to hella hate on the idea that bron was better, but I’ve accepted it, bron is better
LeBron also brings a lot of it onto himself as well.
???? People nitpick him to death
No one hates Lebron besides MJ Stans, Kobe Stans, and racist white ppl
What???
Damn.. so it's all Shannon's fault skip's hated on LeBron for his entire career... ok.. got it!
Skip lost all credibility when he said he ranked Lebron 9th all time 😂
I'm a MJ fan I still believe he's the goat personal but LBJ does get alot of slander that MJ didn't have only for the fact no1 in the NBA at the time was the "goat" there really wasn't a bar or level to be held to as "goat". MJ is the bar or was(depends on personal preference) of goat. So now we got someone to compare to. That's what I believe is the problem.
There was a much higher GOAT bar set long before Micheal Jordan ever picked up a basketball. It’s just been erased by the modern NBA media like it never existed, because the man and his achievements are “controversial” to a certain subset of fans and media outlets.
The first and ultimate GOAT was and still is: *Mr Bill Russell* with his 11 championships in 13 seasons. As the best player on his team every single season, the best defender against Wilt Chamberlain by a long shot, and *also* the full time head coach on 2 of those championship teams for a total of 13 championship rings! His 2-way performance was always elevated in the playoffs; there was literally no one else they could name the Finals MVP trophy after.
At the same time he was playing, Mr. Bill Russell was also an *integral* part of the US Civil Rights movement/fight. And, along with his religious credentials Mr.Bill Russell personally set up THE critical first face-to-face meeting between the sitting US President and MLK’s group. The group that was demonized as “violent” because it was at the time being tear gassed and attacked by police dogs during 100% peaceful protests. PLUS. Mr.Bill Russell’s personal intervention was also integral in the hours and days immediately after the assassination of MLK, in leading the negotiations between the opposing Right Wingers in Congress that vowed to never allow even a reading, and the Civil Rights supporters with the US President. [A full 70% of European-Americans openly opposed even the idea of the Civil Rights Act leading up to its passing and the 5yrs of opposing legal challenges after its passing into law by the Legislative & Presidential branches of federal power] Mr.Russell was personally in the negotiations make sure it got not just to a vote, but also had the necessary super-majority of 60 senate votes on the right side of history to pass immediately. Mr.Bill Russell’s tireless hard work on both sides of the aisle. One that had him, and his young family, targeted multiple times by right-wing US religious extremists during his career and afterwards, in Boston and the US SouthEast. That lead to the end of the 10days of national protests with the passing of the Civil Rights Act!
There was a very high bar before MJ. It was just erased so MJ’s much lower purely “shut up and dribble” commercialization could be easily sold to the new generation watching the NBA in the 1980-90s.
@@cjwrench07 Bill is the goat of that era and his teams were mainly all-star because of him but you're crazy if you think he wins 11 in the 80s era.
Why wasn’t Kareem the 🐐 or magic the goat at that time. Nobody wanted to compare Jordan to Kareem
@@jalilmac95 look I got no clue but I do agree that the media presence is definitely on a whole other level compared to back then. I believe between just the players of the NBA magic might have been the goat cuz when they had that "secret game" at pratice on the dream team it was basically magic vs MJ and MJ won and magic acknowledged like it's ur league. This just my take tho
@@tylerhingleton8493 I don't know why did I have to block 15 goals a game to win my first rocket league trophy.
WAAAAAY more not even close, MJ even get praise for toxic behavior that even his teammates said was bad for them.
Exactly.
His "toxic behavior " was made public only until recently with the Last Dance, you think there won't be stories about how Lebron acts behind the scenes once he retires? Jordan was praised like no other becuase he was individually spectacular to watch and he was a winner and seen as a winner just like Brady. No excuses.
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Seriously, wait till that and the PED stuff comes out
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lol "toxic"
Skip literally added to the slander with this🤦🏿♂️
I’m so over this debate but only when other shows do it, it’s never a dull moment when these two do it, the goat debate show 😂🤷🏾♂️💯
Jordan endured slander in his day too it just wasn’t social media and all these debate shows said he couldn’t win, he was selfish etc etc but guys like Peter vescey in the 90s would make skip look like a Lebron apologist 🤣🤣🤣
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@@jacadianpro True lol.
Nonsense.....the entire world was rooting for MJ.
@@myjourney5753 facts u know how many bulls fans back in the 90s? Billions … plus Lebron got social media hate that’s different
You have to have 3 key things at the same time to reach G.O.A.T. stat.
1. Championships/Rewards
2. Statistics
3. Impact on the game.
Jordan & Lebron accomplished all 3.
Lebron has the statistics + longevity hands down + 3 eastern and 1 western conference chips over Jordan.
Jordan has 2x 3 peated both Chips & FMVP's + a undefeated finales appearance record between the two of them + DPOY and 3 more All Defensive Player over Lebron.
Both impacted the game without any doubt, but Jordan still has a significantly larger and sustaining presence on the game currently on a global scale.
(This is all just opinionated. Please feel free to disagree if you like. It's all love all around here.) 🥰
4. Not retiring in your prime should also make it to your criteria...
"Twitter says that he's the most talked about on Twitter" 💯
Skip is the most Hypocritical Media Personality when it comes to Jordan and Bron. It’s just shameful the way they spit facts to him and he just tries to diminish Lebron with the same points he praises Jordan, just blasphemy man he needs to learn to listen
Skip spit facts too lol...
"my man went to survivor island for 100 days and came out" had me dying mannnn
22 years old.. literally the only option on his team and took them to the finals
Against the Weak East Conference of all time with less then 45w and vs no Superstars yeah must been super though...
only had to beat 1 team above .500 to reach the finals. best opponent he had was pistons who had no ben wallace and had washed up chris webber. Pistons, by record, was the 6th worst 1st seed in nba history. cavs being top 5 in defensive rating, would just need 1 star scorer to get far in that trash conference.
@Mercurial. yeah, almost as weak as Jordan's Finals opponents
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U mean almost as weak as LeBron Finals opponents considering MJ Finals opponents had higher Winning regular season W % that is 61,8 👀🤷🏾♂️
@Mercurial. I'm not sure what percentages yourenlooking at, but the 73-9 Warriors had a nice win share. Any particular teams one season record is not an indicator of difficulty either. If the league is balanced competitively, records won't show dominant teams. A great example of this is the current Western conference. So don't sit here and act like Jordan's Finals' opponents can be compared to the dynasty Warriors or Spurs, who represent 7 of LeBron's 10 Final's appearances. Name one. I'll wait.
Also regarding Shannon's comment about nobody comparing Jordan to anybody.... That is utter bs. I remember people saying "he is good, but he is no magic".
People always talk about to epic meltdown but don’t talk about the perseverance to push through and win 4 chips after that
Correct. People used to like the redemption stories. Fall down, fail, get back up, try harder and succeed is... bad now?
I believe the criticism for is stronger because he was anointed the next 1 when he was in high-school. All his games were on ESPN.
That’s the point. It would make sense if he came in the league and did nothing he is a four time champion, with four Regular season abd FMVPs plus he might become the ALL TIME LEADING SCORER IN NBA HISTORY and people still say she is not GREAT 😮!!!!
HOW?
Shannon absolutely kills skip aha. After he responds to skip, skip has absolutely nothing to say 😂sitting their like some kid. He knows Shannon in talking sense
Man listening to them debate about the GOAT 🐐 is hysterical and makes my day imo it's funny
I disagree. Most of the slander is brought upon himself. Calling himself the “goat”
His ignorant political tweets, his support for Hilary, fake hate crimes, his tweets about “playoff mode activated” I could go on and on.
None of that has to do with basketball which is what a lot of the hate is.
@@Deemo202 he don’t get that much hate from basketball. We’ve all come to the realization he’s one of the best ever. That’s not even a debate.
@@Deemo202 calling himself the goat is a huge part of it then he joined Miami that is pretty much where 90% of it comes from and that is all basketball
I guess thats why he got slandered for the q and a he did on Twitter and gets slandered for losing a meaningless regular season game every year 🙄
Oh what about his school🤔
It’s like Jordan only played 6 years in the league 😂😂😂😂
skip knows what he's been doing to lebron
1) no clutch gene
2) took powder toss from mj
Literally every criticism of Lebron here can also be applied to MJ. It’s just absurd, as if Jordan never had a bad game or lost a series. Curry has had literally one mediocre playoff performance in his entire career in 2016 and it’s the only thing skip ever wants to talk about. Never mind his unbelievable play in just about every other series he’s ever been in. MJ lost a lot of playoff games in his career just like every other all time great.
True. But Jordan was always considered still the best player even in bed shooting situations. Look at his shooting percentage Game 6 of the 1998 NBA finals. But is negative by the fact that he literally made to cut free throws, got a quick score, literally stole the ball from Karl malone, and hit the game winning shot. You could Nick pick the fact that he had a bad fourth quarter but the man still came through for his team. And unlike LeBron and Steph he did it with outload management. He never went and joined a Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh or ask a Kevin Durant to come and join his team.
Jordan also has a more consistent Peak and a traditional one at that much like many of the all-time greats. You have a point where you have to learn how to win first which Jordan did in the first 5 years when he got eliminated the first round and struggled against the bad boy pistons. Then he started winning championships. And then he had a decline when he was past his prime when he was with the Wizards again like most athletes eventually hit.
But outside of going to eight consecutive finals where is Lebron's? Where he actually formed a dynasty? The fact of the matter is that he hasn't whereas Jordan did.
IF Jordan had less championships and had made it to less Finals than Lebron then I would say LeBron's eight straight finals appearances would hold more weight.
But that's not fact isn't it? It's a hypothetical in which case I will have to concede to fairness. Just like Brady having seven championships compared to Montana's 5 makes him the G.O.A.T.
You have to EARN that right. No one should be coddled into accepting it.
Lebron may be the heavily scrutinized but he's also the most coddled.
Let me say it one more time; UNC ate Skip this segment!!!!
LEBRON WAS MORE FOCUSED ON MAKING THE RIGHT BASKETBALL PLAY THAN BEING AGGRESSIVE. MICHAEL WAS MORE AGGRESSIVE SHOOT FIRST KIND OF PLAYER