Skip & Shannon share their Mt. Rushmores of the league's top all time players I NBA I UNDISPUTED
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- USA Today released their list of the greatest NBA players of all time and Skip’s guy Michael Jordan came up with the No. 1 spot. To no one’s surprise, LeBron James then came in at No. 2, followed by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson, and Wilt Chamberlain. Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe react to USA Today's rankings.
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Skip & Shannon share their Mt. Rushmores of the league's top all time players I NBA I UNDISPUTED
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Lebrone will never be the greatest. So why do we even have this discussion? Just for the sake of it I guess.
@@seanguinn right but Kobe Bryant should have been
Mt. Rushmore meaning top 4?
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. LeBron
4. Magic
I don't have bird or wilt in my top 10 but they are in Top 15
1.MJ
2.Kareem
3.Lebron
4.Magic
5.Russell
6.Kobe
7.Duncan
8.Shaq
9.Hakeem
10.Durant
11.Bird
12.M.Malone
13.Wilt
14.C.Malone
15.Stockton
LeBron should b 10th 4-6 in the finals if he get to 5 or 6 rings maybe
It amazes me how y’all can recycle the same topics and it’s still entertaining
Genjutsu
It’s not entertaining at all.
Lol exactly
@@iNostraD So why do you take the time out of your day to keep watching them.
@@PJPayway love this dudes logic lol
I feel like Hakeem gets done dirty being left out of these Top 10 lists…
Ya it’s so hard because there are 11 guys that feel that should be top 10 and one of them will always feel snubbed.
Hakeem > Wilt and Bill Russel
he 11
I just disregard these rankings lists nowadays. Most have been based on opinion and biases.
I would remove Bill and put Hakeem, Bill played in a way much easier era with easy competition that’s why he won so many chips in a row! When the game changed no other player did that again!
skip: “coldest blooded killer IN ANY SPORT”
shannon: “u said that was brady”
skip: in the basketball realm..”
I would love to see brady and Jordan talk in an interview
In American sports only lol. Cricket, soccer, rugby league and union exist lol
@@odysseusdadon1234 they’d probably stare at each other in silence for an hour then challenge each other to golf ⛳️
@@mwilkins1644 no in any sport,Jordan went for you
@@gmain1977
Jordan is Not Pele or Maradona
Say what you will about Skip, but he's low key hilarious with his little comments. "LeAnkle and Bubblelicious"
its an achievement keeping this up- theres no WAY he believed his own arguments on this!
@@antonquirgst2812 so many times he's been called out 4 contradicting himself smh dude is a complete joke
And silly and nonsensical.
@@truestdude Cry
Fax
Skip: lebron is the worst late game free throw shooter
Also skip: puts Shaq at no.3
fr so contradictory
Shaq always said he made them when it counts 🤷🏾♂️
Says lebron is disqualified because his 3 point shot as well while he is better than everybody on that list except Bird 🤣🤣🤣
@@mccraejoey82 they all count that’s why you get a point when you make one🤦♂️
@@mccraejoey82 2004 finals says hi.
Lebron saves Skip from choking on food
Lebron: Skip are you okay?
Skip: Thanks for saving me from choking. Just like you choked against Dallas in the finals
The funniest comment I've seen in a while 🤣
*Sniffs* .. Just Like Ray Allen saved you from choking. Bubbaliscious
👍🤣😂
lloooll
Lmaooooo this is hilarious
I know skip is 50/50 trolling, but it’s so irritating when he doesn’t answer questions 😂
100% trolling
I hate when shannon lets that slide. I wouldn't move on until Skip answers
it’s mostly annoying when his only comeback is idc its a childish pathetic comeback
@@brockontop It's 100% Deflecting. That's what people do when they want to avoid giving a honest answer. They lie by omission.
Shxt is annoying
Every time and every year they do these polls, MJ rightly comes up #1! MJ = 🐐
@Jay Bird...
Every time for sure...And it’s usually by a mile
@Clan leader Predator it’s not only that . Real sane basketball fans know he’s the greatest and it’s not close. It’s not about a trend
@Clan leader...
Aren’t kidding me with that??
Everywhere u go for nba info theyre trying to convince u lebron is the goat!...Man this is one of the weirdest ones I’ve ever heard!
Bro, EVERY sports show,debate show,radio show,whatever show literally pushes the same agenda and have been for a while now.Seriously what are u talking about??Everything is about trying to actually TALK lebrons career higher or MJs lower. Every other day someone’s trying to TALK or argue someone’s career to a dif place.
They’re constantly going back in time and trying to redefine things in MJs career to try and make it sound worse and make lebrons career sound better.They got people in the daily nba media constantly doing that stuff every day or every other day at least and u know it...
If people are influenced in any way as to which side to lean towards in this ‘debate’,it is clearly and OBVIOUSLY to get u on team lebron.
Theyre so desperate they literally tell actual lies on live tv about MJs career.They change number/,stats,they change circumstance and they’re favorite thing is to tell half-truths and half-stories and always no matter what,at all cost,leave out common sense context!!
Lmao wow...
I just made that up??
Are u serious right now bro?
On all these debate shows,or one guy a microphone shows,or any other sports shows (especially during the day) they constantly push lebron is the goat.Lead by Shannon sharpe and nick wright.
Don’t act like u don’t already know that.
And even lebron himself is running around politicking & campaigning on tv for people to call him the goat lmao!!
I mean,how corny and sad is that
Skip: spike Lee knows basketball
Shannon: he can't know basketball if he thinks the Knicks have a chance
Savage unc
Since when is Spike Lee some authority on basketball. If I wanted to know about movies I would go to Spike, other than that GTFOH with Spike knows basketball at the highest level.
Damn that’s a haymaker to knicks fan
😂😂💀
😂😂😂😆😆😆
The Dream constantly gets overlooked in these conversations. Most skilled big man with amazing defense and many accolades.
walking quadruple double threat each night and will literally shake you out of your shoes smfh
1.MJ
2.Lebron
3.Kareem
4.Magic
5.Bird
6.Kobe
7.Duncan
8.Wilt
9.Bill
10.Hakeem/Shaq
He’s on my top 10 bro
@@Hi-vh5oj you got probably well the same play as I have in my top 10 just a little different but I would have to say you hit it right on the button
On talent alone, I got him as number 1 big. Hard to put him ahead of Jabbar, Russel, Wilt, Shaq, cuz those guys won more. Personally, I watched him embarrass Shaq and Ewing, and I think he could have done the same to any big ever.
Not gonna lie their chemistry is off the charts now
Wdym
I'm loving it!!!!!!!!
It was always way better than first takes chemistry
Indeed they got there point counter-point schtick down to a science!
@@Skraticks yeah because Skip left 😂
I'm taking Jordan the man played both ends 1st team All-NBA for several years and 10 scoring titles. 10!
He took all the shots….
Carmelo is a scoring champ by the way…lol
and lebron didn't? lebron has played both ends his whole career, even now in yr 19
@@aliwasti6954 AINt no way you said bron still plays on both ends lmfaoo
The fact that 6 of the top 10 players of all time played for the lakers is just not fair.
Well, who doesn’t wanna play for the Lakers 🤷🏻♂️
@@CriusXI Paul George HAHAHAAAHA
They can have Jordan as goat but we got the goat franchise no debate 🏆
@@calvincalvin3132 LMAO
@@calvincalvin3132 Glad he didn’t, Lakers wouldn’t have won #17
It’s crazy how much greatness this generation has witnessed in general. I mean LeBron is still playing. Shaq, Kobe, Duncan all of those guys have played in the last 20 years alone. It’s crazy how many great players we’ve seen.
It’s likely we will continue to see even more. The average caliber of players continues to rise as each subsequent generation builds off the last. We will almost certainly witness countless more Hall of Famers as we move into the 2030’s and 2040’s
Add giannis
I used to be sad knowing Lebron was nearing the end of his career. I honestly didnt believe id be interested in watching basketball as much but they young bulls are something special🔥 Seems like we are getting atleast 5-10 monstars per draft if not more.
@@devonmiller113 lol I doubt that.
@@devonmiller113 slow down bud we are in 2022 , stop worrying about 20 years from now..
Skip: your man had 5 months off before the bubble, congratulations bubblelicious😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Jordan had 2 years before his 2nd 3peat lol
You're laughing at a two-time 3PEAT? LBJ can I get ONE!?!??😂😂😂😂 And the man needed to grieve outside of your face while still PLAYING A SPORT!!!
@@lanett4677 can you come up with one coherent sentence? I was making a joke in regards to what skip says.
@@bobbyjoejr.7122 I can't tell nowadays...lol
It always amazes me when they say “Jordan took a year and a half off” like he was in Cancun or something. He was playing baseball not taking a Caribbean cruise
its a year and a half off of NOT scoring POINTS. How many points will MJ score in a year and a half that is not included in his career stats because he didnt play. Exactly.
assume MJ ever retired so much and came to the nba straight out of high school. Do u think his career points will remain at 32,292...?? Exactly.
What MJ did in 13-15 years is unmatched.
Playing minor league baseball is significantly less strenuous than making a finals run
@@RobertSmurda yes of course , but he wasn’t in vacations or something right?
you were with mj the whole time 😭
@@cesarguerra8102okay buddy but guess what he DIDNT do that. That’s a hypothetical.
Not a major point but I think it's funny how Skip will be like "That's blasphemy we're gunna get struck by lightning" if Shannon claims Lebron is better than Magic for example, but his favorite quote from Bird about Jordan is LITERALLY blasphemous and he brings it up all the time lol.
Exactly 💀
😂😂
LeBron should be number 10 facts
It may be funny but it is fair. Since we want to police what’s Godly, I’ll inject that God hates a lie more than being compared to a dominant force, in jest. So, Skip is correct on his lightning strike theory. LeBron is called King James with a Nike launch commercial in a church. That’s LITERALLY (annoyingly overused and misused word) blasphemous, by your standards. Please don’t say anything else about religion here, thinking you’ll have a point.
@@catastrophe00 this dude worked up about a little joke. God not real btw :o
I am sure Skip and Shannon have a laugh after the show talking about how Skip holds his nerves while bullshitting so much! Haha!
Yeah thet pay him extra to keep the narrative up, he's a phony
Shannon bs just as much if not more
Bronsexuals have actually progressed to commenting on all undisputed videos about Skip being an actor in order to reconcile his criticism of their hero. Lmao
@@JeremiahDoctsonFitness 😂😂😂😂 Facts
Skip the troll is real 🤣
"Congratulations bubbalicious" it's amazing how these two troll each other on TV everyday😆😆🤣
I was for a long time a Lebron believer supporter for that #1 spot on the goat list. The older and less biased I get, the more I realize that it isn't even close. MJ is the GOAT
@1:34 "Congratulations, bubblicious." Skip had me dying 😂😂💀
100% facts !
i love him
Thats what got me too haha
I though Shannon was gonna respond "Don't do dat Skip"
“There is not a worse superstar 3 point shooter than lebron on the history of the nba”
“He’s better than mike”
“Didn’t shoot it”
“He’s better than kobe”
“Didn’t care about it”
😂😂😂😂
Shannon wants to talk analytics skip is just telling the truth!!
Skips gotta get paid he can't be slipping up as the lowkey bron stan he is😂
They got one and two right, but Jordan is the🐐
@@notcoolkev3770 It doesn’t change the fact that Lebron is still better than both from 3 😂😂
C'MON NOW SKIUP!!!
Jordan wouldn’t have lost to that mavs team in his prime
@@kelvs45 if Jordan is there, Wade wouldn't be as effective because he wasn't pg and they played the same position and Wade wouldn't be a traditional pg like Jordan had on the bulls. Bosh would be debatable but the rest of that Miami team were not that good
@@YungWillFast Mj at sf no problem at all.. They will work just fine with mj posting up jj barea and jadon kidd instead of a frozen up lebron.. Im just being honest
put jordan on '07 and '18 cavs,they wouldn't be in the playoffs
@@jasperbuluran4500 How do you say that when the bulls were making the playoffs before the 90s with an objectively worse roster and MUCH BETTER competition in their conference? Yes bulls roster pre dynasty era was mediocre/awful.. All they knew is give the ball to mj and they just hoped he brought them wins.. Lebron had more help roster wise in both those years and WAY worse competition.. the east in 2018 was pretty pathetic
@@jasperbuluran4500 And you mention two years that ended up in a sweep for lebron.. Why even bother doing that
“Congratulations Bubblicious”
-Drip Bayless
😭😭😭😭😂😭😭😭
Jordan had the perfect body to play basketball. If NBA was viewed through a silhouette, MJ would be the most recognizable. Fluid motion like Griffey Jr.'s swing or Marino's throws.
1. IQ- The Greatest if not Top 3 of All Time
2. Size-6’9 250 to 280 with 7’0 Wingspan
3. Physical Strength-Freight Train(Shaq)
4. Speed/Quickness-For that size faster or as fast as any guard or forward ever.
5. Athleticism- 40+ Inch Vert and 1 of the top athletes of all time.
Lebron is a better athlete than mj that’s no even a debate and has a better body too.
#1 in the state in football & Basketball
Well said
@@jimmyb4361 Lmao your brain even knows that a lie that’s why you said “MJ is a better athlete than MJ” 😂😂 MJ had a 48in vert which I believe is tied for the highest all time. And 4 inches higher than Bron. Not to mention he could also dunk from the FT line. Won DPOTY, a Dunk contest, ran a 4.3 40 while Lebron ran a 4.6. 6’6 with a 6’11 wingspan…nothing you said proved Lebron was a better athlete. He got a better body sure (don’t see why you as a man would care about that) but he was not a better athlete…actually all there numbers prove MJ was the far superior athlete. Ran faster, jumped higher, was 3-4 inches shorter but had damn near the same wingspan. Cmon now Jimmy this is public information.
@@jimmyb4361 And his strength is nowhere near Shaq. Shaq used to bully other 7footers. Bron can’t even bully guys his own size.
@@jamal7071 💯 MJ is probably the greatest athlete the NBA has ever known. Since you seem to like the facts, here are some bullets for your gun next time these guys start spouting off. MJ was better everywhere.
MJ on Offense
30.1ppg for his career, most in NBA history
33.4ppg career playoffs average, most in NBA history
33.6ppg in 6 Finals appearances, most in NBA history
41.0ppg in a Finals series, most in NBA history
10 Scoring titles, most in NBA history
10 seasons with 2,000+ points, most in NBA history
MJ with Analytics
PER (Player Efficiency Rating): Highest in history for both the regular season (27.91) and the playoffs. (28.6)
Win Shares per 48 (WS/48): Highest in history for both the regular season (.2505) and the playoffs (.2553)
Box plus Minus: Highest in history for both the regular season (9.22) and the playoffs (11.14)
VORP per Game: Highest in history for both the regular season (.1083) and the playoffs(.1382)
MJ on Defense
He was the first player in history to be selected to 9 All Defensive First teams.
He was the first player in history to get 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season, it has still only been done by 3 players. (Michael did it twice).
He was the steals leader 3 times.
He's the only guard in history, relative to his position, both in the Top 5 for blocks and Top 5 for steals.
He was the defensive Player of the Year and Scoring Champion in the same year, the only player in history to accomplish this.
His 131 blocks for the 1988 season is still the most blocks in a season by a guard in NBA history.
“Edison invented the lightbulb, but now we got the LED” lol Shannon too funny
Shannon tears apart Skip’s double standards on LeBron and then Skips like “I mean yeah but his free throws and he’s not killer”
4/10😮
@Piotr Sieradzki it’s the truth tho
@Piotr Sieradzki can’t say he’s not top 3 skip hating man lol
@@rodbanz108 he’s not going to admit it bro, he’s an old head.
@Piotr Sieradzki irrelevant
Bubblelicious gets me every time 😂😂😂
Ive seen Jordan and Lebron played, I’ll take Jordan all day. Idc about Lebron stats, I want to win and I’ll take Jordan
Lebron literally had 8 consecutive finals appearences lol
@@tommybush8841 and he lost most of them. Original comment wants winning
@@attemptedoptimist3560 He's won more chips and MVPs than anyone since he got drafted...most playoff wins all time too
@@attemptedoptimist3560 And how many times did LeBron face a superteam in those finals and how many did MJ face in the finals? Remember MJ is 1-9 in the first round and 5-7 in elimination games.
@@attemptedoptimist3560 by that argument Jordan is out of the goat convo bc he couldnt do shxt without pippen
Skip is delusional. He says 'I'll take bill russells body of work over lebron.' Then Shannon says 'yeah but he's not a better player than Lebron' and Skip just ignores it... it's painfully clear that nobody except Jordan is more skilled or a better basketball player than Lebron. Skip needs help
@@JacksonHole83 no
I agree with most of your point but if you take a look at over all skill you have to include Larry Bird. I'm not a fan but that man could play
@@JacksonHole83 how explain 😂😂😂😂
@@dr.michaelwilliamson3800 ya he could shoot better than Lebron but that’s pretty much it.
Dude you tripping LeBron is not even close to being the most skilled anything. 😕😂. He has a average handle I have seen way better ball handler's then LeBron, he rebounds okay but I've seen way better rebounders then him, he has no post move which is a lost skill today. And he's a good shooter but again I've seen way better. One could argue that Kyrie Irving is more skilled then LeBron and Kobe definitely was.
Hakeem is actually a top 10 player ever. I’d take him over a few players in the top 10.
He is so underrated and it sucks he doesn’t get talked about enough.
Who would you take out? People say bunch of players should be, but then who actually gets kicked. Kareem, Bill, Wilt, Shaq > Hakeem
They left off Dr J for best power forward. Yes Olajuwon is a all time great. However, Kareem, Wilt is better centers however it’s debatable with Shaq but Shaq has 5 rings
@@rahimi4762 Only player you mentioned better was Kareem lol. Olajuwan was the best scorer and defender in the league after Jordan retired
@@kaceyrodriguez3053 I think Hakeem was better than Bill Russell. I’d say Kareem Wilt Hakeem and Shaq. Shaq was dominating on offense but not so much on defense. Bill Russell played with like 8 hall of famers in their prime. That’s why he always won. His numbers are not great offense wise.
I got Kareem as the GOAT. Most MVP awards, won at every level at an unprecedented rate, and the most unstoppable move in NBA history.
Kareem is in my top 5, but not the goat, magic made that Lakers team special not jabber.!!
@@earlchance579 magic doesn't have as many championships and MVP awards as Kareem so go ahead you can have him
@@nikivory6891 jabber is great, however back in the day the center played in the post most of the time, magic on the other hand could play all 5 positions on the court. Just another little example adding to this their record a season before Magic arrived.!!!
Hakeem Olajuwon should definitely make the top 10, imo.
But the main question is who would I take out to put Hakeem in? And for me I would say Shaq.
@@bolo5190 Hakeem>>Kobe
I agree with you. I would replace Bill Russell with Hakeem
Top 10 is hard because of 11 and 12... hakeem, at 11? Dr j at 12? Because the Aba was a thing..... plus, you have to look at skill, accomplish and eye test... Shaq had One of the greatest peaks in history... Great prime... But what about hakeem?? He was killing shaq, Ewing Robinson Rodman.... David Robinson won MVP dpoy with an AVG team.... If he had Gary Payton for ex he would have been to like 5 finals in the 90s... 90s players are underrated because of Jordan...
Your Absolutely Right. To Me Mt. Rushmore Should Be. Magic/Jordan/Shaq/ Olajuwon. IMO.. I Totally Except Everybody’s Opinion Tho.
10:15-10:43 Shannon blows a major hole in Skip's argument. Which is why Skip quickly changes the topic.
I agree with Skip that MJ is the GOAT but he is the worst person to have arguing in MJs corner. He's so basic and petty Shannon always comes out looking better. There are analyst here on TH-cam who would wreck Unc if he debated with them but he only has to worry about debating captain hmmmmmmmmmmm all the time.
@@tmoney360 man said ppl on TH-cam 😂😂😂😂 unc isn’t easy to debate. The way he debates skip wouldn’t be the way he would debate anyone sitting across from him u debate on who knows how to debate.
@@tmoney360 u agree with that he’s the goat but from what you guys keep sayin is that he won 6 finals MVPs and went 6-0 but he didn’t only play 6yrs in the league. 🤔
@@jimmyb4361 and that's the problem. 6-0 is not the reason MJ can be considered the GOAT by many. It's just one reason in the many arguments to make the case. Not everyone is as simple as Skip is.
@@tmoney360 I feel like this debate between the two will always be weird because they are so not alike. LeBron will beat MJ in almost every major category because of longevity. But I am of the kind that LeBron is the better PLAYER in the totality of basketball. We could have someone be the first 40k pts, 10k a, and 10k reb in history but some won't even put him in conversation with Michael. I also think it's weird because MJs hardest comp was getting to the Finals, while Lebron's journey was only about the Finals. And some of those Ls LeBron took, like those KD Warriors, I don't know if prime MJ with Lebron's teammates would have faired much better. This topic will be debated for years and years.
This show is creative at talking about the same thing all the time lol 😂
Especially during the pandemic
Better then first take taken over by sas trash
1.MJ
2.Lebron
3.Kareem
4.Magic
5.Bird
6.Kobe
7.Duncan
8.Wilt
9.Bill
10.Hakeem/Shaq
Skip and Shannon’s chemistry is just that damn good, they can make any and every topic entertaining
Perfect
While 6-0 is great and all that, what really matters is the ability to show up on the big games ALWAYS. One of my favorite quotes from the wolf of wall street is "Judge me on my loses because I have so few" Michael always showed up when it mattered. You cannot point to one game where Michael was absolutely god awful when it mattered not unlike Lebron on finals against the Mavs. Lebron is so great that even if he fails once it will be held up against him. When I rank my greatest I do not go with their greatest wins because all of the top 10 has them, but their greatest failings because they have so few and Lebron's was a travesty compared to his legendary career and you can't even make excuses for him, he had great co-stars and supporting cast, he was on or nearly on his prime and he failed hard by his standards, that's what really matters to me.
100 percent agree, I don't understand why people don't see that when it comes to lachoke James. He also pays the media to talk him up and talk down others.
They’ve had this convo like 800 times
Could watch them all day lol
At least twice a week
@@EarthDestroyer59 i’d argue more often tbh
@@zivuhz I’d argue everyday
and you watched it 800 times
Alex Caruso and Brian Scalabrine snubbed
Facts they are both top 2
Forgot about Jared Dudley
Lavar Ball wrongly snubbed🤓
Alex Caruso is actually a baller lol I wouldn’t be surprised if he makes all star in the future
Don't forget Jeremy Lin.
Skip: the best difference between mj and lebron is … that he is the coldest blooded killer
Shannon: one has hair one is bald head
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 shannon funny af but jordan definitely #1
He scored a 100 pts in a game, grabbed 55 rebounds in a game against Bill Russell (the 2nd best rebounder in the league at the time), blocked 26 shots in a game, registered the only quintuple double in league history. Averaged 50pts in a season, averaged 27rebounds in a season, lead the league in assists for a season, led the league in blocks his entire career. Dunked his foul shots from the free throw line, yeah look that up. The man was an absolutely basketball God. There is a Mount Chamberlain with 1 person on it, and then a Mount Rushmore for who should round out the starting 5. Nuff said.
Facts
I'm always surprised that wilt doesn't get more respect
@@borgan213 I'm surprised Hakeem doesn't get more respect..didn't he have a quadruple double too?? Plus Wilt & Bill played in a pioneering league with only 8-11 teams when they didn't know how to stop big men yet. No disrespect to them 1 bit
WILT JORDAN KOBE LEBRON
Preach
Why can’t they do an all time SPORTS movie Mt Rushmore …, we’ve heard this one a million times
1. Rudy
2. The Sandlot
3. Remember the Titans
4. Field of Dreams
@@Daniel-hs6ct any given Sunday
Rocky
Field of Dreams
Coach Carter
Miracle imo
@@Daniel-hs6ct you can’t forget Rocky
We are Marshall, Friday Night Lights, Moneyball are all great too
This whole segment is a troll by skip and I rock with it lmao
No it not
@@paulwilliams2024 focus on your grammar and then come back to me
I swear Shannon did not have this much love for the Lakers brand before LeBron showed up. He is the definition of a bandwagoner. And he's proud of it. 🤦
Facts
He was a Cavaliers fan when LeBron was there...
@Spokesman of MJ nobody care bros😂😂 go cry some more
It's not the team man it's the player of the team..
Shannon is a fair weather fan..he should stick to football..because he knows nothing about basketball 🏀or he would have more common sense.
Skip: if Durant starts to get more MVPs, he’ll start rising…
Shannon: whoa, how many we (lebron) got?
Skip:… yep
🤣🤣🤣🤣
My stomach is hurting behind that, lol.
If Lebron is so much “Better” then Jordan why does he need half of the leagues superstars on his team to win? Jordan never had to do that
💯 Facts
Because the other half are on another team
Super teams were created to stop lebron
I'm confused, MJ had one superstar level player every year he won. He's obviously ranked higher than Lebron and for good reason but what your saying is illogical.
@@RogersWrlds because lebron created them when he went to Miami because he can’t win a ring without another superstar. Hasn’t won one by himself yet. Also the Mavs team that beat Lebron weren’t a super team.
MJ the Goat. 6 straight championships with 6 scoring titles. That is insane. OP & Lebron is great too, his longevity is remarkable.
6 straight?? Im an MJ guy and he didn’t win 6 straight.
6 scoring titles? Try 10.
Definitely wasn't 6 straight but two 3-peat's. 10 scoring titles and 7 of those scoring titles were consecutive.
@@Ready2Ride08 Misunderstanding. I'm talking about MJ 'Finals' appearances. He has been to 6 finals and won all 6. 6 Straight. Won scoring titles on all 6 finals. Amazing
Basketball is a team game. Without Pippen and Rodman, and a hall of famer coach-Jordan can't win multiple championships. Dont use championships to define who is the GOAT
you meant 10 scoring titles..... lol
if the lord himself came down and played a season with a team and never missed a shot all the way to a ring, skip would have him 3rd or so on the list
4:28 Shannon is killing me🤣 he really believe bron ain't bald???
Shannon. Jordan was never favored to win in any of those series that he lost in the first round. LeBron lost 3 times he was favored to win a series and lost. Every time Michael was suppose win, he won. When LeBron was suppose to win, he lost. 09 Magic, 10 Celtics and 11 Mavericks. Argue that Shannon
Shannon gone bring up how mj was swept his 1st 2 seasons but when u bring up how bron missed the playoffs his Shannon gonna say bron was a kid when most guys his age was in college which is totally overrated bs b/c a lot of college players play all 4 years so u still playing as a freshman playing with 24 yr old and them vs the average 35 yr old nba player outta his prime ok .
@@gabrielwatson9703 yeah man he inconsistent. He ain’t gonna wanna argue with me I’ll counter every point he’ll make. I ain’t skip 😭😂
@@MrNatural11 Fr skip never call Shannon out for that
Michael Jordan perfected the legacy of "Nike" to the NBA. That is unrivaled by anyone like Doctor J did to Converse. NBA stats, movies, music, nike, commerical icon etc...AIR Jordan's in a league of his own and now "Nike" will spread to other sports including the Olympics.
5:03 😂😂
Kobe "didn't care" about shooting the three. SMH The man scored 81 points in 2006! He hit 7 out of 13 bro 😂
Skip is technically right. He didn’t care about the 3 but he cared about winning the game and 3 pointers helped. I mean Kobe was on fire that game. Overall, I believe skip’s point was Kobe didn’t care about his percentage. He took bad shots double and or triple team. Those are not taken into account for statistics.
All in all, I’m pretty sure majority of people would choose Kobe over Lebron as a better 3 point shooter.
He held the record for most 3s in a game too for awhile at 12 lol
@@jville2743 some games he just super elevated… but he definitely was more of mid range and drive guy… shot 3’s when needed
@@sauceth3god249 like LeBron too he is a driver and shots when he needed
Stop being stupid
He’s kinda right cus what skip is really saying is that Kobe didn’t care about his fg %. He only cares about winning the game. Shannon jus has some kind of beef with Kobe when it comes to lebron, he always brings him up to discredit him
I love these debates
I wish Michael Jordan would walk in the conversation, and see Shannon’s face!! 🤓🧐🤨
Shay sharp facial expression would not change if Jordan walk on the set
@@gradybrown3362 who told you? Your step father?
The Golden Age of the NBA happened between 1980-1998. Magic scored 42 pts in 1980 to MJ's 45 pts in 1998. NBA will never feel that great again. It's similar to music being better back then.
I finally focused on skips face when he’s spewing his bs.. mans deserves an Oscar
Bs? You mean the stuff you don't agree with? Lol.
@@Eyesmoke420. right lmao
It is all facts tho, lebron aint even on my top 10
This act is getting OLD.
@@ND-OPS do you know how to play basketball?
Skip just completely ignores Shannon when he’s making a point. He will never agree, I guess that what makes this a good show.
Leshannon has no point .
My top 10
1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Shaq
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Wilt
10. Bill Russell
Kobe is so disrespected 😒
Kobe higher than shaq
Kobe is not top 10...take emotion out of it. He is probably around 12-15. Shaq is above him. Duncan in the Kobe range..definately lower.tham Kobe
@@jldp24 Honestly, I can't fit kobe in my top ten.
@@treychapo1898 What did he do other than score
Chamberlain/Jordan
Abdul-Jabbar
Bird
Magic
Olajuwon
Shaq
Duncan
James
Bryant
I love how they put a Lakers logo next to Wilt, he was his best as a Philadelphia Warriors/76er. He is not remembered as a Laker.
The media does everything in its power to try and downplay how dominant he was, because no individual player comes close when looking at all the records he holds. Plus, there was no ESPN in his heyday.
I know brons currently a laker but I’d rather see cavs when he’s retired
@@tylerhingleton8493 lol cmon man, the guy played 60 years ago..
@@vinitrapani And played the most hall of fame opposition at center compared to anyone else, and dominated. Wilt was the strongest and greatest athlete to ever set foot on the hardwood. There will never be another player like him, ever.
@@tylerhingleton8493 Well said, can't agree any better.
MJ played on a very tough eastern conference in his younger days remember that, while the east in lebrons era is very weak, thats why lebron looks like always carrying the cavs but in reality they just on a weak conference. Thats why lebron got swept in finals in 2007, and cant get past the celtics in 09 and 10, even tho they wi 60+ games that year.
Well Lebron played tougher competition in the Finals
so what's worst, getting super in the finals or swept in the first round like MJ did
Jordan made the playoffs with a team that was like 30-52 or something. Tough conference? A good bit of the rosters around the nba back in Jordan’s early years wouldn’t make the G-league the last ten years. Lebron didn’t win in 07, 09, 10 because it was him and a bag of chips against three hall of famers. Why do you give Jordan credit for tough competition but not Lebron? Garnett, Perice, Allen, Duncan, Parker, Manu, Pop at coach. Is that not good competition? He was absolutely carrying the cavs, they went straight to lottery when he left and didn’t make the playoffs until he came back. All that said, Jordan is the 🐐
Well said!
I'll always take Kobe over James simply because there was no other assassin (with the exception of MJ) who put fear into opponents quite like the Mamba did. He would get into your head and stay there for days.
Bro the disrespect kobe gets is unbelievable
These casuals just dont know much baskeball all they do is come on here and repeat what sharp and wright got to say kobe was a way better defender and scorer and won more with less talent while playing in the harder conference hes whole career
I feel like Kobe is the one “great” where u had to either personally watch or just know the context of his career to see how dominant he truly was. He’s one of the only “greats” that didn’t have a championship caliber team built around him at his peak. He didn’t start early in his career (no coach gave players straight out of HS a chance to play early til Bron) and his last few years was mainly spent injured. Most people that throw shade on Kobe just look at career avgs (which don’t truly reflect how good he was) and either don’t know/ consider the context around em.
Kobe was playing relatively bad after his Achilles injury but still good enough to be legit. Everyone talks about his misses which that played HEAVILY on. But from 2000-2013 who could stop him? He’s the main reason players like Iverson, Melo, Nash etc don’t have championships (Dwight as well but he has one now)
It’s funny. Skip refuses to give Lebron some credit even though Jordan is the best it’s not a debate; However, Shannon refuses to give some credit to the cowboys. Lol it’s like they mirror each orher
@@balistic919 that's a flawed argument ...generational talents can do well in any area they just have to adjust to their rules , mj didn't need the three point shot as much back then cuz it wasn't popular, but yet he still had games where he pulled up from three in the play offs and won his team the game , that's like saying curry or dame couldn't play in MJ's era because they can't go in the paint , that's so dumb , if mj grew up like how these guys did with the same rules and was acclimatized to em he would dominate just the same because he had a ruthless mentality
MJ never had an elite team in the 80's to be able to possibly beat Bird who had an elite team, Shannon.
These are facts.
So didnt bron against kd warriors
@@leonbouadi7382 Shannon gives LJ a pass for having bad teams but doesn't give MJ a pass for having bad teams that's the point that doesn't make sense at all with Shannon and many will agree.
@@leonbouadi7382 But at the same time I understand that Shannon is just a bigger fan of LJ and for Skip it's MJ so they both are going to find the best arguments to make their guy look greater.
If another man called me _Bubblicious_ we would be running MULTIPLE fades, lmao. Skip is insane.
When Skip said bubbilicious 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I applaud unc shannon's patience lol the fact that he have to sit across that man and listening to this over and over again lmao
Yeah i agree i couldn't do it shay Better than me ik he has to have major headaches leaving work 🤦
What are you talking bout? 6-0 to 4-6 you tripping here’s a real top 5 jordan, Kareem, bill russel, magic, Kobe, then Lebron and Larry bird y’all trippin
He getting paid millions to sit and talk about sports. Don’t feel too bad for unc
@@axim8828 if thats your criteria then bill Russell the goat 11 beats 6 Robert horry 7-0 he did it better he not better than MJ but he still got 1 more than Jordan john havlichek 8-0 in the finals he did it better also
@@axim8828 u can’t even back up Kobe being higher than lbj stop it …and skip bias Shannon state facts like him shooting higher than Jordan skip response was they didn’t shoot but when Shannon brought up Kobe skip said he didn’t care about the 3 man wdf kinda take was that😂
Shannon destroyed Skip 😂😂😂
Just bec u talking loud and screams doesn't making u destroy anybody 😂
@@Mercurial. Fr
You must hate stats and logic.
Always has
Always does
"WHY NOT HE THE GOAT" Shannon funny af
How can you not love skip bayless?
6:28 Shannon - Me when my Mom told me we couldn't get McDonald's as a kid.
Skip be Killin me “bubbalicious”😂😭
They both do this for the show. They know they're both great and great for basketball. They both made this league what it is.
“Bubbalicious” -Skip Bayless.
💀💀😂😂😂
9:13 "That's blasphemy. I'm afraid we're gonna be struck by lightning." lol
Lol 😂
Skip is unintentionally hilarious
1) Jordan (Greatest)
2) Magic (Greatest Laker)
3) Bill Russell (Greatest Celtic)
4) Kareem (Greatest basketball career) (High school, College, NBA)
My NBA Mount Rushmore
Skip said, Bubblelicious...😃😂🤣😭
Skip said, “bubblicious” 💀💀💀
It quickly went from the USA today's Mt. Rushmore top list to another Goat Discussion.......I just don't know how people can watch these shows live 2 1/2 hours of (in this case) LeBron and cowboys
Why do you come back?
So LeBron made every single point in that 2016 Finals? Bronsexuals are so funny. I guess Kyrie was just a scrub with his 27 PPG and clutch tiebreaker three over Steph.
in the entire 2016 playoffs, bron led the cavs in points, assists, rebounds, steals, blocks, defensive win shares, defensive rating, DBPM
@@dynamic6645 don’t argue with him😭😭 Bron haters just sound dumb and they repeat themselves even tho they lost the arguments
Bird , Dr J, & Magic all played on teams with 4 or more HOF players! As soon as Pippen became an all-star, Jordan began winning Championships!
Shannon lays down his argument
Skip: 6finals 6MVPs how you gonna argue that?
Shannon: skyeeeeuuuppppp
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
How tho? Mj combines winning, talent and dominance lebron doesnt have the same dominance and mj even took 2 years off in the middle of his three peats
@@okdude8215 ok. Message Shannon that tf 😂
Michael Jordan is the GOAT, no questions. Magic being 2nd is also good. But Skip not putting LeBron in at least Top 5 is just hating.
@Thatsalex B exactly
Lebron isn't top ten all time its facts 💯
@@supag00n53 LeBron isn't top ten all time
@Thatsalex B LeBron not top ten all time facts 💯
Magic and Bird are on the same level. You can’t have one without the other
Agreed. I think both are top 5, but I can’t rank one over the other. They were just so equal
They are not. It's magic over bird. He's better at more things
@@christopherblack5869 what was magic better at?
@@christopherblack5869 Bird was the better scorer. Better rebounder. Better shooter. Better defender. Magic was the better playmaker.
@@patricklarson8418 And Bird was a better "Passer."
9:12 skip “ we gonna get struck by lightning” xD omg LMFAO!
i believe skip in this one. shannon is so passionate, but for me, it's MJ over bron
very true
Magic Johnson is the only point guard in the top 10, even though he's 6ft9. But it goes to show that it's very hard for the points guards to be best player on their team's and in the league to lead their teams to championships, and I'm talking about the average size point guards who were and are around 6ft1.
If Steph curry wins another ring this time with a finals MVP or another regular season mvp he's top 10
@@therequis3687 If that happens who would you take out in this current top 10 to put Curry in?
@@therequis3687 But one thing for sure, Curry definitely revolutionized the game for sure because of his jump shooting, I mean he's not the only player who have revolutionized the game but he's one of them for sure.
@@therequis3687But I believe Isiah is the closest point guard to making the top 10 with Magic and it's not an opinion it's facts.
@@bolo5190 and the fact that Chef curry revolutionized the game of basketball puts the in the top 15 around like 12th all time cuz along with that there's the 2 regular season MVPs one of them unanimous 3 chips the scoring titles with one more chip with finals mvp or a regular season mvp he's top 10 for sure his resume and the fact he changed the game of basketball puts him in the top 10
Michael, Kareem, Magic, Larry and Kobe would be in mine Mt Rushmore. I could argue the last two, but I really loved watching Bird and Kobe was just an assassin.
Take Kobe off
CBS sports line top 10 NBA best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
9. Tim Duncan
10. Kobe Bryant
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron a better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.4%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored career
LeBron 35,189✔️
Kobe 33,643
Most missed shots in NBA history
1. Kobe Bryant 14,481
2. John Havlicek 13,417
3. Elvin Hayes 13,296
LeBron more points then Kobe
Kobe more missed shots then LeBron
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 1993✔️
Kobe 1827
Total Steals career
LeBron 2,068✔️
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 985✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 73.00✔️
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Pippen 6 rings > Kobe 5 rings so having more team awards rings dont mean better player
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings
2000 NBA final
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
Kobe 15.6 ppg and 36.7% fg and 20% 3pt
carried by
Shaq 38.0 ppg and 61.1% fg and 16 rebs and finals mvp
Kobe rode Shaq O'Neal
Mavericks 4-0 swept Kobe in 2011 NBA playoffs
LeBron 16-6 owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
@Someone
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
10. Steph Curry
14. Kobe Bryant
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron a better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.5%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored career
LeBron 37,062✔️
Kobe 33,643
Most missed shots in NBA history
1. Kobe Bryant 14,481
2. John Havlicek 13,417
LeBron more points then Kobe
Kobe more missed shots then LeBron
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 2,140✔️
Kobe 1,827
Total Steals career
LeBron 2,136✔️
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 1,041✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 75.59✔️
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2011 NBA playoffs
Mavericks 4 Lakers 0
Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series
LeBron 16-6 winning record owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 10 player all time thats why Bleacher report has him #14
I don't like the gap between LeBron and Kobe
Shannon is talking about MJ's time with the wizards like it should be a huge deal when it absolutely shouldn't.
And plus the game today is not as physical when MJ played so of course a player is going to last longer.
If when LeBron gets 39 and 40 you Jordan stans try to hold ANYTHING against him, you're a hypocrite. Y'all Jordan stans have already lost all your credibility because y'all have changed the argument and moved the goal posts so many times that I'm surprised y'all ain't apart of the chain gang for the NFL.
@@SSJ2Phenom By the way I would move the goal post for any superstar to give that player their credit if necessary.
For LJ he's playing in a league that is more skilled than when MJ played.
@@bolo5190 If LBJ is playing in a league that's more skilled than doesn't that mean that he should get more points and credit for it? Considering he's been the best player in a more skilled NBA for well over a decade?
@@SSJ2Phenom Yeah and I also heard this former NBA player Mark Jackson on Shannon's Podcast Shay Shay say that players in MJ era played a lot smarter than in LJ's era.
@@bolo5190 Maybe true, but I know damn well they weren't talking about LBJ. He's Magic level when it comes to basketball IQ.
MJ the 🐐
Not only does LeBron average the same ppg as KD, his first few years in take league were slower paced so KD has the advantage of getting drafted later
Because lebron is a scorer, just not a pure shooter like Jordan kobe iverson and tmac,
@@nicholas5wepriceeggwe138that
Yeah skip will say hes the worst free throw shooter, three point shooter, clutch player out of any superstar ever. Lebron is better than half the top ten in this video from the line, hes the best 3 point shooter on this list, the only guy who could be better is bird if he shot more and he made the most clutch shots ever and had the greatest comeback ever. And you can look at all of these guys and non of them had to do what lebron had to and face even close to his competition. From a player standpoint hes the goat no doubt but overall accolades its mj
This is the first legit list I’ve seen. No clout chasing no hating no bias
Hakeem gets no love. Overshadowed by Jordan.
Not Jordan, Lebron
@detective clown
@@Mj-uz1ng no he’s right and Kobe is my second favorite player but Dream is top 10
Hakeem is overshadowed by the fact that he couldn't win a ring until Jordan left the NBA. Jordan doesn't retire, Hakeem is just one of the best bigs ever, Hakeem has 2 rings which makes him a top 10-15 player all time, depending on where you rank him to the other bigs like Wilt, Bill, Shaq (who he dominated), and Kareem.
Love or hate Skip, everyone that's been on that show with him, including Shannon, says he speaks his truth! It's not trolling or for entertainment... It's how he really feels! I don't agree with him on most anything, but I'd take him over Nick Wright everyday of the week!
Imagine Jordan joining the spurs or the Lakers instead of the wizards. MJ wasnt ring chasing that was the difference.
He didn’t need to ring chase, he had other stars join him to win rings… tired of this stupid ring chasing argument against Lebron.
Facts...40 year old jordan in wizards still schooled players that beat lebron in the finals...and out scoring them...even he had bad knee and smoking gambling addiction
@@kaiadams8382 stars like who? Pippen and Kukoc was drafted by the bulls. Rodman the only legitimate player that joined the bulls and he was already in his mid-30's.
Lebron joined Dwayne wade and recruited Anthony Davis. Two players better than any teammate Jordan ever had. Lebron stay chasing the GOAT and cant do it.
Skip’s been front row at every major sporting event in the last 50 years
From an OG bball player. Magic Johnson must be on the list and at number 3. He’s the only player I could watch and instantly translate it on the court.
He's not better than Bron, MJ or Kareem
@@rojeliocastro9733 how do u figure? How long did it take Jordan to win his first championship? I'll tell you how long. Long after magic had already won 5. Magic came in and won as a rookie. Magic played all 5 positions. Jordan couldn't do that. Magic would've won more if he didn't have to retire early. Magic made everyone around him better than what they already were.
@@lehendrogrant6254 idgaf about all that. He doesn't play basketball better than those 3 guys
@@rojeliocastro9733 u must be really dumb. As much as I respect those other 3 guys, those other 3 guys weren't capable of playing position 1-5. Magic was able to do that.
@@lehendrogrant6254 Bron isn't capable of playing 1-5? 💀
"How does the chosen one miss so many free throws" 💀💀💀😭😭😭😭
Thankyou!!!! So true 👍
Why Lebron is #1: Most complete, most versatile player the league has ever seen. No major weaknesses but has struggled at the F/T line in big moments, but not always. Great passer, great scorer, great defender, great leader. Has done more with less after almost 20 years in the NBA. Has taken his team to the finals 10 Times and had a streak of 8 consecutive trips.
Why Jordan is #1: No weaknesses at all. Not as good of a passer as Lebron but still good in that area. Can score from anywhere on the floor and get his own shot at any time. Six for Six in championships. Might have been 8 for 8 had he not retired the first time. Is clutch at the F/T line in big moments. One of the best defenders of all time.
dude stop using championships in individual success 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@dynamic6645 so you really think bron is better then Jordan ?
@@south5047 Yes. LeBron is the greatest athlete other than russell in the history of time but shoots from the logo like Dame and scores like Kobe. All jordan did was catch the biggest break of all time and draft scottie pippen. He'd be in the same convo as harden is right now without pippen. Another score guy who doesnt win
@@south5047 yup
@@dynamic6645 Why not? All the greats have won championships. Put it like this. Charles Barkley has zero. Is he a great? Sure. Jordan has 6. We all know he's a great. And those 2 faced off in the Finals. Who came out victorious? If Barkley was destined to be on Mount Rushmore, he would have done more and willed his team over other teams. There's no shame in losing to Jordan, but winning a championship where you are either THE Leader or one of the leaders, its YOUR Job to win that series. Find a way. Carry your team. Lebron may have lost a bunch of Finals, but at least he carried his team over and over just to be in that situation. Championships aren't everything but it's certainly a good measuring stick if you're one of the top players in the game....