Indonesia's Sandwich Generation Struggle Under Financial Pressure | Money Mind | Indonesia
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มี.ค. 2024
- It's estimated that two out of three working adults in Indonesia belong to the sandwich generation. How do you balance your budgets when you have to take care of children and elders at the same time?
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I'm one of her regular customers. Anah and her husband are managing a simple shop with an excellent service. Named after their first son, their shop "Toko Azka" sells vegetables, various kind of tempeh and tofu, and other cooking needs. They also offer ready-to-eat dishes at very low price (below US$1).
Anah has been working hard since teenager and now at her heavily pregnancy, she's still working so hard. Luckily, she has a supportive husband who work as hard as Anah. I realize, both of them, as well as a lot of us here, wanna break the poverty chain and give a better future for the next generation.
I'm so proud to know them and being their regular customers. May God bless them and their entire family.
Regards,
C1/31
Please continue to be her loyal customer. We cannot overstate how much each penny spent in her shop means to her
Why just wrote a mail endorsing her
The problem is if she continuous suppoting her whole family other than her kids, it might be hard for her and her spouse to break the chain especially with the cost of living nowadays and the increased inflation years to come. Sad but true.
@@geybie true, if they're adults they need to take care of themselves
I'm interested to visit her shop when i'm visiting Jakarta soon !
Good parents are those who do not burden children financially for their old age😊
If they got money. If parent old like 90 years old and no money???
Trap for most asian was that they were accustomed to the society perception that it fine for children to give money and take care of them when they are old. Complacency of parents made the children suffer mentally
thats easier said than done 😊
in some households, unlucky parents have no choice but to give all they have for their children's needs and education but have no money left for their retirement savings because of the high cost of living.
but parents gave everything they had to raise the children, working 9 to 5 for 35 years for their children's needs and education until the children are graduated from university and able to work and earn money themselves, and you mean the children then can throw away their parents just like that? maybe you can, but I can't. it's called PAYBACK. if the children are happy to see their parents die in old age with no money and no one cares for them... then go for it. you will get a lot more savings for sure
it is simply the culture there. they have been doing that for probably thousand of years.
This is becoming a global problem, young people are far more educated and skilled at a young age compared to previous generations yet earning far less and competing for less jobs in the market, yet burdened with drastically higher costs of living like taking care of a family. The solution is to delay or not have children altogether. Let's see how scared governments, billionaires, and technocrats become over their precious economies, once global population really declines because of their greed.
AMEN TO THAT
You know what will happen like in the west, they will import people from less earning countries
Say it louder please 🎉
They will not care, trust me, they only care for themself. Just secure their own and don't care about others.
They are already working on having robots, machines and AI replace the masses of working class employees. Trust me, they won't be bothered. 😂
I was raised by late father and one thing he strictly taught me and my siblings were we can't become a burden for our children. Parents must have savings enough for their old age and don't become a burden for your children, he said. He even had eight Chinese character at his house which roughly translates as "If you don't have savings, your old days will be miserable"
He did quite well. Never ask for money from his children. Even if we gave him, he'd take it and then shove it back to his grandchildren. Miss you dad...
Just like my late father. Miss him too...
I like your parents thinking.
you had an amazing father. you ought to be proud of him.
BMA
Parants are never burden even if they have money or they do not!
They are the jewels of the home!!
Damned are those whose Parants get old & he doesn't take care of them!!!
I wish my dad thinks like your dad. I suffer a lot of anxiety and stress that one day I need to help to my parents clear their debts and help them financially. So I live frugal as I can and safe as much as I can so I have the money in case they don’t have money.
Part of me I’m very angry about this. I see friends live their happy life and reach milestones (marriage, baby, do fun things). While I’m stuck and live in constant anxiety..
Sandwich generation is not a new thing. Older generation experienced the same thing, they just didn't have the term yet. I remember the burden my father had as the eldest son in his family, having to pay monthly utility bills of his parents' household (which included his younger brothers who had better income than him), and my father was the poorest of all the siblings. He paid until he retired and it was my time to take care of the family. I refused to pay my grandparents' household utilities. I was only willing to pay for the expenses of my parents household and my siblings' education. My uncles were furious at first but couldn't say anything. They didn't realise what a burden they were all this time, until they were hit by those utility bills.
What an ungrateful uncle! Glad that you're able to set boundaries.
Soo true. They named everything nowadays😅.
When one give others on daily basis, those who receive will see that as an obligation of those who give.
@@plainbiscuits9383 who know, maybe that’s why no one try to fix it. Without a name, they pretend it never exists, never acknowledge it’s a problem and then cycle of suffering continue.
your father put his brother's families above his own why help someone like that, he made his bed so let him lie in it
Supporting parents is understandable, but nephew too 😮😮😮
I was surprised, too!
I gasped really loud hearing that ☠️
I'm on that situation. I need to leave
Yeah it’s a common thing here
It's common in indonesia, it's called sandwich generation, because they have to support aging parent, and their siblings, and also kids.
My poor Indonesian parents had sacrificed a lot to send me and my siblings to universities. Whether or not they asked for financial support, I would always gladly give it to them. Admittedly, this has affected my lack of desire to get married. I'd rather have myself and my parents stay happy by flying solo than adding more financial burdens by having my own family & kids (not that my parents want me to stay single)
Well. We are on the same boat. My parents are just humble farmers, but they sent me to university with all the money they had. Now I am in my 30's working in the office in overseas. I don't earn much but every month I send money to my parents. As for kids I don't want them as I can't afford them. I rather just support my parents, save money for my future. I have lived in poverty for 30 years, and all i want now is just some peaceful mind and financial stability.
Raising children and provide education is parent responsibility. As a children I agree to reward our parent sacrifice before but it must not beyond our capability. In Islam also not make compulsory to give money regularly to our parent. We just help in within our capability (Ikhlas) . To show care to family is not about money only but maybe can help other way such as time spending, cleaning their home etc. Challenge face by generation is different.
BMA
Get married & "The God" will make you rich!
Fear little about hunger & poverty!!
Put your faith in the mercy of "The God" your state will be better after marriage then now!!!
"The God" will make plannings to feed your wife & kids in abundance then what you have now!!!
How you look at the case would be different if at least one of your siblings doesnt do the same, or worse, become additional burden.
In Indonesia, Sandwich generations mostly coming from middle - lower class family. Where you are as sister/brother is eligible to funding the whole family. Because their parents mindset is child = investment. It's like trap if you are out then your family starve, if you keep going then it's difficult to have financial freedom. That's why in my opinion if you have choice of your own life is one privileges as well because many people don't have choice. Is either keep working or dying.
Single child is best
BMA
If you don't believe in "The Day of Recompense" & being an atheist!
Your analysis is superior "survival of the fittest" assuming you won't get old ever & that its all my savings will remain safe!!!
@ENTERTAININGVIDEOS1 you sound like an idiot
@@bharani_tidadin my child only one, me also sandwich generation😢
Think twice or even thrice before you decide to have children. if you can’t support yourself how can you afford having children….
That's what people who are rich want. Only they should have children.
But a lot of the rich got to be rich by defrauding the nation though manipulation of the govt to their benefit.
There is zero value a bank offers which cannot already be automated. Yet they have entrenched themselves in govt looking for opportunities to fleece the population through all means.
Stop having kids! Stop bringing another slave in the system!
This is common in Asian cultures. When I was little I had grandparents with dementia living in our house and my mother worked very hard to earn a living for 4 children while my father was long term unemployed. now this happened to me, my father really enjoyed his old age happily in our house. he is only 50 years old, not yet senile and not used to working from a young age. I plan to leave him.
Good for you, you should not be responsible for his failure to secure a decent job, especially if he had plenty of time his whole life. Even a low paying one is a job still that could have given him opportunities to bigger ones.
Actually 50s is not old
50s is not old. My dad is in his mid-60s and he still wants to work.
Leave him immediately
@@noazucar519I think most people in Indonesia, well at least my mom, dan uncles, and aunties, already feel old in their 50s.
Sandwich generation is so real. I hate my parent that they had blown their chances when they are in peak situation. They dont even had their own house.
This happens all around Asia, not just in in Indonesia. Singaporean parents can be very vicious too in demanding never-ending financial supports from their children, based on horror stories that I read in Singaporean forums. Dear parents, your children are not your retirement funds.
in asia kids are like cattle. you breed them, you feed them, you milk them
Mam i though it only happen in country where the population are so big,.. i never think singaporean also have this problem too
@@masdi727 all asians share the same issues. this is where outward differences mean little - even if the singaporean salary is high, their living costs are even higher. when one's living cost is too much for your wages, it doesn't matter if you earn 100 $ or 100000 $, the result is the same. and our shared cultural similarities are much stronger than any smaller national, ethnic, religious, racial, or linguistic differences.
What about Japan and Korea?
Question does our parent provide also their own parents?
Pretty similar here in the Philippines . Family values has become hindrance for career self-growth.
it is asian culture…. this is also a thing among Asian American
I think it’s a common issues in Asian countries, both developed and developing cause it’s just rooted in the culture
yes it is
This is why western economy will always be better at asians countries.. Too many cultures, too many honors BS
Family values is eternal. Its the most basic human answer to the adage "why are we here". The older you get, the less value your career becomes.
The main difference is that one generation ago old people used to die before 70 and the burden was shared among 10 siblings
now it is impossible to take care of 10 children unless youre a billionaire.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 billionaire only has 2 kids max, while the poor pumping kids like rats... even your name is kindred to "banyak anak banyak rezeki"... the poor is poor because their are dumb can't manage their family properly...
@@rizkyadiyanto7922
And the two or three children look after the parents and the rest.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922BMA
I know peoples who are not billionre!
Have 4 wives & more then 10 kids!!
They take care of there Children pretty well!!!
Giving sustainaince is not in the hands of humans!!!!
We as humans try & work but its "The God" who sustains us & taken responsibility to feed every soul!!!!!
@@ENTERTAININGVIDEOS1Allahuakbar! Kenalan dong ❤
I refuse to become a sandwich generation, so I don’t marry and have no kids, lets all end at me.
You not only end sandwich generation, but also ended humanity
Millions of us. Getting Strogger.
Multinational Corporation hate our kinds.They cannot bleed our money.
Me too
@@adityapambayun8199 Okay then, thank you for your service in producing the next generation of people who'd have to compete with AI for a decent job. Living standards would be lower for them and if you depend on them for financial help, yours will too and you just have to fork more cash to help them out if they decide to give you grandchildren. You can't retire in peace as much as they can't provide for their family in peace and this endless cycle of suffering continues. Ending this cycle of suffering isn't that bad is it? Unless you can think of some magic solution to the problem that other people even in first world countries face
ADMIT IT. you just have no choice because no one likes you 🤣
It is the same here in Thailand. In rural areas, selling agricultural yields is usually insufficient to cover their annual living expenses, so the parent generation heavily relies on the money sent by the working generation from the city. This, together with the high cost of living when compared to their incomes, caused the working class to avoid having children. The low birth rate is one of the major socioeconomic problems in Thailand nowadays.
it's probably socially engineered by some high iq people up top
Actually, the topic of the sandwich generation is a topic in the research I am currently conducting. Many of the generation who live in my neighborhood are migrants. They left their hometown and tried their luck in other cities to get better luck to help their parents. Although some people from the sandwich generation consider it a way for them to repay their parents, it is found that many of them have low life satisfaction because of the multiple roles they have to fulfill.
They are not nomads. Migrants would be more appropriate term. Nomads refers to those whe keeps changing residence.
@@ernaherlina8014 thank you 🙏
*I always tell married people to wait for kids until they are financially independent and financially sustainable. In some cultures, people feel obligated to have kids as soon as they get married. But wait until you are in your 30s or even 40s when you will be little more financially independent.*
And people also feel the need to arrange a luxurious wedding with the money they don't even have. Then having kids before repaying the wedding debts. Some even have more than two kids before they reach their 30s, with no steady or reliable income. It's good to eat love I guess...
the problem with that strategy is the increased health risk for the kids, and also the mother. maybe freezing your sperm/eggs can help, but hey if you’re broke in your prime childbearing age then you most probably can’t afford that anyway.
once a child is conceived, there is no reset or redo button. imagine bringing a human being into the increasingly messed up world we live in WHILE dealing them a bad hand like autism, genetic defects, and sickness. one could argue that it’s borderline cruelty.
@@zodiacgaming2907its not actually that bad until you're 45
banyak anak,banyak rejeki
@@fellnan_winata kalo dijual ya? 🥲🥲🥲
It's amazing how cultures differ. Personally, I am all for family unity. With that said, life has taught me to have limits to my aid for two reasons: it won't be reciprocated or people will take it for granted.
My primary lesson about family is this:
Just because you are family, it doesn't necessarily mean that the relationship is mutually beneficial.
road to hell is paved with good intentions, and cobblestones
My dad is still paying for his parents back in our home country because he is the oldest and I absolutely hate it because of this dependency we are financially struggling and my entire family (my parents and 7 children including me) are squashed into a small three bedroom house and we can’t afford to get a bigger house because not only does my dad support his parents but he also supports his siblings and their children. I refuse to become an sandwich generation because this is just ridiculous, just because someone lives in the city or a wealthier country does not mean they’re rich, they will most likely be struggling because they’re trying to adjust
in Indonesia there's an old phrase : banyak anak banyak rezeki ( more children more prosperity ) and many older generation still believe in that phrase, while current generation start to think the opposite of it, because the economic situation is just bad to have child without proper planning, and many trapped financialy because of having child too early while they still have to provide for the family, being mid-class is suffering in this country
May I ask what the average income is in Indonesia and what a good salary would look like?
@@didyouprayyour5prayers996 in Jakarta the minimum monthly wage is like IDR 4-5Million ( + - 300 USD ) and that would just barely enough for one person to cover, because if the person is renting a place to living, it cost him more or less 1mil a month, and then food + transport is like 2-3mil a month, so perhaps twice the amount is a good salary for Jakarta's standard
"Budaya Keluarga" mba anah yang harus di ubah, ini sih bukan saling membantu tp lebih ke saling berbagi beban. tapi nanti kalau komplen atau kasih penjelasan mba anah di bilang anak durhaka, jadi semoga selalu lancar rezekinya mba anah 😊
I am indonesian. My parents are just humble farmers, but they sent me to university with all the money they had. Now I am in my 30's working in the office in overseas company. I don't earn much but every month I send money to my parents. As for kids I don't want them as I can't afford them. I rather just support my parents, save money for my future. I have lived in poverty for almost 30 years, and all i want now is just some peaceful mind and financial stability.
everywhere. its sandwiched. not just indonesian. But this is a good insight to what the indo youth is facing specifically.
May Allah swt bless Anah for her financial support to her families. The cost of living is unbearable everywhere.
BMA
Not for longer even if it stays the way!!! (The God Forbid)
Sandwich generation is very common in almost all of the Global South countries and that includes Indonesia. This is thanks to decades of government corruption, morally conservative values and incompetence in almost all of structural levels. I can only hope that the population collapse as many young people refused to get marry and have kids. Then those billionaires, corrupt politicians, bureaucrats can only cry once their precious economy collapse fingers crossed 🤞
that's gonna take like at least three centuries to take effect
interesting that CNA always use old jakarta city scape, old bus to illustrate Jakarta, aiming to make Jakarta are behind SG. Actually the old bus is not what we actually see in Jakarta nowadays
please update your archive so the outdated one dont need to be reused
sandwich generation here, paying hundreds of millions debts of my mom and it is killing me 😂😂😂
Same here. I have to pay my late dad debt of hundreds million rupiah. I may lose my house if I don’t sell it in the next couple months to pay off my own loan. I’ve been sandwich for 15 years now and I think I have depression but I don’t want to see psychiatrist to get diagnose
Why you still laugh 😢
@@bayuarga4261consider working abroad
@@bayuarga4261 may Allah give you ways to pay your loan brother..
@@bayuarga4261 Why would you lose your house? At 18 you are naturally emancipated from your parents household. You cannot inherit the debt as if your father passes the debt would go to his estate and not inherited to next of kin.
Try to a pro-bono lawyer about asset separation.
I’m 31 year old male from Indonesia, I’m grateful enough for not being one of the sandwich generation, thanks to my mom who worked very hard when she was alive. Also, I choose not to get married to avoid further burden.
With the due of my respect,
My suggest to get marriage.
Penyebab nya Karena yang saya yakini Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala yang Menjamin Rezeki seluruh ciptaan Nya.
Tidak akan meninggal seseorang apabila Rezeki nya masih ada.
Jadi Mhon maaf, saya sarankan untuk Menikah.
@@thesecretofhumanity2994bayarin tapi 😅
@@thesecretofhumanity2994 I’m going to marry my girlfriend next year, she’s hindu tho
@@AmikYoungDon not even one day and you already contradicted what you wrote
@@cunnylicious I gaslight people to avoid a long ass debate
This is for those who judge children who (seemingly) neglect their elderly while those elderly doesn’t realize that these children must support their own family. Often these elderly are so entitled to all the help they “should” be receiving from their children. However, still,,in these cultures they side eye and judge these children really hard when they fail to do so (support their elderly and extended family).
I feel for this sandwich lady. She is hard working & a diligent multi tasker. She should not have to carry her brother’s $ problem.
I was the breadwinner of my parents family since the day I got my first job. I am the firstborn of the family, I fully supported my parents financially and paid my sisters study. It was hard, but I made it well. No social security in Indonesia is a serious social issue, so parents have to count on their children when they get old; most people must retire from their career at age 55, how would they support their family if they are not working. My parents passed away and I moved to the US, now I am still supporting my sister and her daughter. Indonesia needs to work on their social security system so life can be easier.
The people aren't productive enough to earn sufficient income and pay tax to fund a social security. According to CNBC Indonesia, only 12 million Indonesians pay income tax out of the ~140 million working age population. 12 million paying for 275 million unproductive burdens 🙄.
@@dypra1234 goverment doesnt take income tax to those earning the minimum income or those who make daily income to make ends meet. Yes I agree with you that the government should take a solid action to tax people who earn more, there are many street food vendors who earns a lot higher than the white collars but living tax free
BMA
Men are those who do not run from responsibilities!!!
gila sih klo sampe harus keponakan
Kenapa gila???? Bnyak ponakan yg tinggal sama tantenya terutama kalau dia memiliki tante di perkotaan dan ingin sekolah di kota, tnggal dan makan msh sama tantenya...sama seperti saya dari SMA tgl sama tante sampai sampai kuliah dan skrng kerja dan bisa kost sendri...dlm keluarga indo banyak yg dari kecil kita sdh sangat akrab dngan saudara ibu atau ayah dan anak²nya karna silaturahmi dri kecil selalu d jaga dan gak canggung...dan keluarga itu membantu dari masa pelajar bukan seumur hidup juga...lol..😂😂😂😂😂
Bener, sampai ponakan 😂, ini mah double sandwich, kemana emak bapak si ponakan
@@kidfrank6549bisa jadi memang tdk mampu jg, dan rezeki anaknya itu ada di tante atau om nya. Selama masih mampu sih mestinya gpp ya, biar nanti ponakan nya jg bisa punya penghasilan dan bisa bantu keluarga nya jg.
@@OOO.892 kalo gitu kenapa kawin? kenapa punya anak kalo ga bisa nafkahin? yg susah kan orang lain yang ga perlu bertanggung jawab, masalah kronis orang Indonesia ya punya anak tapi ga mampu secara finansial, jangankan finansial secara mental juga banyak yang ga mampu sampe anaknya jadi bahan pelampiasan misalnya orang tuanya stres
@@anblue1633sepaya tidak zina. Karna org indo gak ngerti KB ahahha
Banyak anak banyak rejeki , prinsip mayoritas kebanyakan rakyat Indo
Finally some CNA coverage with a positive headline about Singapore’s ASEAN neighbours 😂
As an Indonesian, I feel asshamed. I hope I can leave this country soon. 😂😂😂
@@MuhammadFaisalHidayat same, I don't know why my parents moved here
Kalo di Singapura kakek nenek kerja mandiri sampai mati, kalo di Indonesia orang tua bergantung sama anak.
Ya, karena lowongan mereka masih nerima orang sepuh.. di Indonesia max 25 tahun😂
Nah, ini. Kmarin gw ngelamar kerja jaga toko baju tp di tolak karna umur gw udah 27😂 pdhal gw msih single. Di indo klewat usia 25 jangan harap dapet kerja apalagi yg di pelosok daerah.
Tidak semua org tua mau ikut anak bro,bahkan anaknya maksa.banyak sekali org tua yg tidak mau merepotkan rumah tangga anaknya..kalo aku lebih seneng malahan ibu aku ikut dari pada tinggal dirumahnya sendirian dan kerja sendirian.
@@anlichandrakemarin Nemu diskusi ini di Reddit
Di S'Pore memang sama pemerintahnya dibuat sistemnya seperti itu. Orang" tua masih dikasih kesempatan kerja supaya mandiri dan tidak membebani anak. Jangan heran kalau di S'Pore nemu nenek" di food court masih ngelap" meja, nyapu". Kalau di Indonesia, yang usia produktif aja susah cari kerja. Jumlah lowongan kerja dibandingkan yang cari kerja tidak sesuai. Belum lagi korupsinya. Bikin masyarakat jadi miskin.
Lah ngapain ngebiayain kuliah ponakannya juga? Kemana ortu dari si ponakan ini??? 😂
Miskin ka
Biasanya orang2 dari suku jawa gan.ga enakan sama keluarga besar.
Di kantor saya juga begitu dia udah nikah harus biayain ortu nya, ponakan2 nya trus keluarga pakde/bude nya jg.
Setiap lebaran itu pasti ngeluarin sekurang2 nya 15juta buat ngasi2 THR keluarga besar nya.
Padahal gaji dia aja UMR
@@mrizaldi7199tepat sekali😂
Kadang kita memang harus gak enakan, biar mereka gak seenaknya
@@mrizaldi7199 yup, emak gw jawa. emak gw cm irt dan bokap uda pensiun jadi sekarang gw yg nafkahin emak, bapak, nenek sama ponakan2. emak gw masih nanya kok gw ga nikah2
Sandwich generation? I only know here. When I was still at school, my big sister who has more money, pay my tuition fee and my youngest sister until we graduated. But after that, we're on our on. We have to make living our self.
My sister did it on her own will. Because at that time our parents had passed away. Now, we always respect her and send her money or something she needs. And God bless her, she always has what she need.
Kalau kasusnya gini sih gpp, itu namanya kakak yang bertanggung jawab dan adik2 yang tahu diri.
And you should be
Kalo sampe harus support keponakan asli parah tu saudaranya
They’re well-educated especially in financal literacy, but generational poverty is something that ‘only education’ will never put it to the end. Good education & working will never be enough to end sandwich generation. Most people decide to delay or even choosing to have no children at all to end this poverty, especially with filial piety culture that cannot ends easily with older generations. Pension from the work & government will never be enough with the increasing lifestyle & daily needs prices. This is our problem that needs to be solved not only from the sandwich generational people but also government & private sector to introduce better pension fund for all.
I am asian and this is sad. At a young age I am well conditioned o believe that I owe everything to my parents and it is my responsibility to take care of them when they get old.
I heard comments of them telling that I am not a good child because I can’t help them. There are times when they say I only make their life worst and I am a burden.
I don’t want responsibility, I don’t owe anything. It is not my choice to be born. It is their choice to have a family, their children, their responsibility.
This is an issue of failing pension or welfare programs. Not unique to just sandwich generations but even the old who don't have anyone to support them.
The problem comes down to minimum salary in Indonesia. It is not enough to save.
Gaji naik semua juga naik nanti 😂
Tapi sekarang gaji gak naik semua naik 😂 @@noefvon
same as in us
BMA
More seriously "The God" tests you in this life more easier he makes you to pass "The Judgement Day" hereafter & the rivers of milk, wine & honey!!
But we must always ask from him "easiness in life"!!!
My dad as a retired goverment officer, got retirement salary every month untill he died. That become safety net for both of my parent, so they didn't rely on their children. Become government officer in indonesia may dont offer high salary like in private company, but retirement salary for life, inclume health insurance really2 helpfull.
but becoming one will not take you that far in life except if you are doing some corruption and shits like that lmao.
@@Suckmabalzz already become one. Become a doctor who work at goverment hospital, with good compensation. Thanks for my dad Who willing paid every penny for my school, thanks for govemrment provide schorlaship on my residency. So my life is good.
SUCH NOBLE SOULS . GOD BLESS EM
Maybe there's no other way, or it's simply impossible, but in my 40 something years, i've never seen a regime in my country that seriously tries to tackle the problem of economic and social gap. It seems like every leader is content to let the rich grow richer and the poor grow even more destitute, despite the lofty promises they spout during campaign.
just stop expecting handouts from the government and do it yourself, no ones gonna help you except for yourself, even god doesnt help you in life, thats just the way it is because poor people are easier to control and maipulate due too their less intelegent nature, they dont want you to be rich, they want you to be poor, suffering, and obidient.
it is the state of this (fallen) world, ruled by a fallen god which so many people worship. the only way out is inside. raise awareness. break free of social bond. then maybe we can know ourselves and start to build our lives around that instead of some foreign socioeconomic machination.
Membantu saudara itu hak, bukan kewajiban. Jd kalau masih pas pasan biar dah saudara itu.
Krn saudara juga punya kewajiban utk kehidupannya sendiri. Kalau dia gak mampu, suruh mati aja😂
setuju
keras tapi realistis yg kebanyakan orang Indo ga bisa terima 👍
Kalo masih biayain orang tua & adik yang masih belum dewasa (masih sekolah) masih okelah. Tapi masa iya kudu biayain keluarga kakaknya & keponakan juga..? Kecuali kalo keponakannya udah yatim piatu.
because no pension funds for informal jobs(shops) and formal job private company (swasta), sadly most children here must bear the parents financial burden .. pension only for PNS government employee.
There are pensions for informal sectors, you just have to apply them and do it yourselves. "BPJS JHT untuk bukan penerima upah". You have the power and information. Think critically and dont be lazy to look for infos.
Im one of them … im really struggling @ my young age have to working supporting my young brother and parents … sometime i hate when my dad make a mess up and ended i have to pay what he mess … struggling and i hate live so much that i dont think my life even worthy anymore dont even want to get married cause i see my parent married is a burden it self… But God still love me , i found good husband , have beautiful kids .. and my husband so smart that we can get through the financial burden that i have before even get a lot wealth now days so even i have to support my kids and parents is no burden anymore… But now me and husband really focus and planning our pension so my kids will never have the burden i have before
Piscok frozen 8000 isi 10, dijual 1000 per pc untungnya cuma 2000 dong. 😩😩 itu untung kotor pulak. Udah abis buat biaya minyak, gas, sabun cuci piring, plastik sama resiko kalo ada yg gak laku. Tenaga pun gak diitung. 😩😩😩
Ya Allah kenapa gue fokusnya sama harga jual piscoknya bukan ama topiknya.. 😅😅😩😩
Gapapa lah, itu bagian dari beban juga
Your children is NOT your RETIREMENT PLAN. Let Gen Y , Gen Z and above like us LIVE. We are trapped and we also want our own savings, assets and others.
Menolong orang tua yang sudah sepuh adalah keharusan. Tapi tidak untuk yang di luar keluarga inti seperti keponakan, sepupu, dll. Untuk adik, bisa dipertimbangkan seturut situasi.
Bandingin aja biaya hidup ketika orangtuamu harus membantu orangtua mereka dulu sama sekarang, terus biaya hidup yang orangtuamu harus keluarkan ketika mereka mengurusmu dulu sama sekarang jika kamu punya anak. Pas anakmu sudah besar, biaya hidup pasti lebih tinggi untuk mengurus cucumu dan merawat kamu di masa tua. Jika anda berpikir ini bisa terus berlangsung sampai kiamat, ya mungkin kiamat sudah dekat
Kaya hidup gue dulu yg nampung om tante gue. Sumpah gak enak banget.
Iya kalau nolong ortu/adik masih lumayan logis. Kalau sampai keponakan juga minta dikuliahin... Like what? Nolong sesekali kalau kepepet wajar ya, kalau diharuskan biayai kuliah keterlaluan sekali. Tapi mungkin itu budaya di keluarga tertentu.
Nolong ponakan studi hingga kuliah. Udah lulus & kerja malah boro-boro ingat. Akh TAI !!! 🥱
Setuju. Aneh aja ponakan ma kuliah ditanggung ma dia. Padahal itu tanggung jawab ortu. Kuliah jg bukan hal yg wajib. Mn kuliah biaya mahal. Gak logis. Klo bantu hal hal dasar kayak makanan ato pakaian ini ok.
Sangat bersyukur ibu saya mengajarkan mandiri sedari kecil, saling membantu dalam ranah logika.tidak bergantung dan mengantungkan. Meski anak anaknya menikah dia tidak ingin membebani dengan demikian anaknya fokus kesehatan dan pendidikan. Kami semua bekerja.
Menurut saya narsum bisalah berkata tidak untuk mensupport ponakan adek dll dikarenakan alasan merantau, yang disupport belum tentu merasa dan jatuhnya gak mandiri. Banyak kasus malah jadi benalu dan gak mau kerja akhirnya.
Stay strong Indonesian generation
In Indonesia, the sandwich generation can still smile because it is worship 😊
kok kak anah harus nanggung ponakan nya juga ya? kalo memang yatim, ya nggak masalah, tp kalo orang tua nya masih lengkap.. ini namanya mengekploitasi saudara sendiri..
ya itu anehnya,kalo membantu sampai lulus SMA sih wajar ya,karna ketika kuliah dia bisa cari kerjaan sambilan.
@@tuxdaimon6235ya ga wajar juga, tanggung jawab ortunya lah
I don’t mind supporting my parents, i consider it as my responsibilty to take care of my old parents…i will work harder to support them as i always done…without their support i could never be what i’ve become today…the least i can do for them is to support them financially for now
Lol i leave my parents and never contact them again.
Sandwich generasi sungguh bikin di lema antara memprioritaskan diri sendiri atau bakti kepada orang tua
i'm happy become sandwitch generation, because it feels fulfilling when i can help my parent even in small way. they don't ask, but when i have the money, i will share. when it was bad month, i dont.
Bagus dek, tp jangan lupa sisihkan untuk di tabung / invest untuk masa depan pribadi
If you only gave them money once in a while, it’s not sandwich generation. You have the luxury of not giving away your money in a bad month. The true sandwich generation always have to give away their money because if they don’t give their parents their money every month, their parents will suffer. I also gave some money to my mother every month but I don’t think I’m a sandwich generation since she can live without my money, she is richer that me. The reason I gave her money is just to show that I appreciate and love her.
That means you're not a sanwich generation bro 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you parents aren't dependent on your income alone. how dare you compare your situation to those people in real sandwich generation problems
@@Stella-yt6dp maybe yes, coz i'm lucky i have 3 more brother that also support ma parent and my younger sister who still studying in univesity
@@eninuraeni2493 iya dong, prioritas sy tetep keluarga kecil sy sendiri. karena kami kakak-beradik banyak saling bahu membahu support ortu dan adik
thats why learn how to manage the money is important
Our government don't want us to be good at financial management. That's our schools never teach us about it.
@@MuhammadFaisalHidayat school is made as a worker factory, government made a system that taught us 70% of useless knowledge, wasting our time. Essential things like tax, financial planning, philosophy, etc is not taught properly. An obsolete curriculum force us to think outside the box, or seeking for that outside. Thats why ranking system, report, etc are bullshit.
This is so related for me.
We (me & my wife) are sandwich generations.
We still have both of our parents and we already have two kids.
Since only me have a job (wife choose to do housewife), we have to manage our finance.
Of course I send money to my parents and my parents-in-law every month.
They are old (60s) so they didn't work anymore.
Even one time I have to support my little sister financially when she was in college.
So, it's common for us when we up until now, don't have any house.
They seem like good people. Good luck.
I was born in Jogjakarta Indonesia from middle low class family. My grandparents were farmer in Kulonprogo with 5-8 children.. My parents both were the eldest and only graduated from senior high school, in 1980's they seek job to Jakarta and worked in Agriculture ministry.. realizing that raised family in Jakarta was very hard they moved to Jogjakarta in 1983. My parents went on family planning and only had 2 daughters.. Both of us went to public school and always tried to make our parents proud.. We often got scholarship/fund and now I became paediatrician, my sister is a veterinary med doc. Alhamdulillah my parents had retired now and lived peacefully without any debt.. so the keys were working hard- family planning-scholarship- no debt😅
There's a strong adage that's still circulating in community saying that the more children the more prosperous you are because every child is born carrying their own fate. It's kind of misleading if you're born into a family in poverty chain. Children were deemed a productive assets that will give a significant economic return to their parent. The more means the more income will be made since asian's kids won't dare to be incompliance because they owe live to their parent. They carry this moral debt to the rest of their lives. This kind of feeling makes children oblige to repay the whole cost of their living and carry heavy burden to alleviate their economic status. This functional relationship is not genuine but toxic for the child's well being. It's like a capitalist exploiting the assets.
BMA
Its nothing toxic only if you understand because Quran is the book revealed for people who understand!
And teaches not to say even "uff" to there Parants when they age depended on us how we were depended on them!!
Fair are the words!!!
@@ENTERTAININGVIDEOS1 that's why your kinds are plaguing the west for social security which is never invented in Islamic countries
@@ENTERTAININGVIDEOS1 no wonder your kinds are plaguing the west because they're way smarter than your kinds. The west kufar invented social security while your kinds keeping busy with power struggling and active breeding. Let the burden be shifted to someone else.
From Bangladesh, same situation.
Growing up my dad as the oldest of 7 siblings, my grandparents made my father to paid for all his siblings education, until college. I remember that my mom can only spent 2.000 rupiah per day for groceries. She told me she once can only eat with rice and salt, or tempe
whereas in my case, not really a sandwich generation but worry that my parents generational wealth would end up drained by me
Invest in safe investment like government bonds in bibit or makmur bro and live modestly
No children, no problems ❤
BMA
More children better life(I.A)!
They are the gifts for them who deserve!!
And if your Parants would have thought what you are thinking 😂😂😂!!!
There wouldn't have a comment over there 👆🙊
@@ENTERTAININGVIDEOS1stoopid poojeet
Proper family planning could help.
Here in the Philippines, most parents consider their children's retirement plan so it's similar to this sandwich generation. Kind of sad.
For all our imperfections, majority of Indonesians still prioritize family and family values 🙏
Lot of parents only could provide a higher education for one children, usually the eldest one, and hope by that could support their other siblings and also parents, 20 years a go it might be possible, but on today economics, not even double income is enough, especially for the city like Jakarta.
I am one of the sandwich generations living in Indonesia. Luckily, my younger brother is also helping me so that I can save some to spend on.
Same in Malaysia, China, a many others country
Im a sandwich generation. Malaysian. Decided not to marry to support my parents. One is money, second I don’t want burdened my partner. Until met a girl,Indonesian girl. We planning to marry this year. I’m almost hit 40
Th 1985, saya bantu dua orang adik untuk transportasi kuliah dan bayar uang kuliah sepupu. Sampai punya dua anak tetap membantu orang tua untuk harian. Gak berasa beban, malah semangat cari uang semakin besar. Kini.... semua yang dibantu sudah sarjana, mandiri dan punya anak2. Kebahagiaan yang luar biasa....
that's life.. nothing perfect.. As individuals, it is imperative that we contribute positively to the well-being of our fellow human beings..
Actually this is happening really often, like in many countries, especially the ones with " filial piety responsibility ". Many people might not pay attention to this matter. Many girls need to let go of their future for their own opportunities, many males need to dejectedly say no to His opportunities just to alleviate their families funds for another member of the said family
My mom is, she support my grandma, auntie and some of my cousins,, and still continue to support half her children too
I decide to not marry atm (maybe not too in the future),, cause i'm still struggle financially. Next month i'll get my new decent paying job fortunately..
my siblings all married and still need my mom help sometimes (money ofc) 😂
I plan to support her eventually when she is retired. I know the pension wont enough for her to pay the bills. Everything is expensive nowadays 😅
my wife also support her married siblings .. at some point, i think they should not marry in the first place, if they can provide their spouse n children..
BMA
Get married you fool 🎉 🙊😊 as sooner as you can & kids!
" The God " will make you wealthier then you can be without marriage & kids!!
He will give you wealth from the sources you won't imagine!!!
Indonesia would be a superpower in 11 years time
Berbakti kepada orang tua, seperti kisah uwais al qorni
The "banyak anak = banyak rejeki" effect, 30 years later
Pemikiran dongo' memang. Apalagi agama dijadiin tameng buat benerin dosa kaum boomer.
Yeah we ndonesians support our parents when they retire.. other cultures do this aswell.. we only dont do it if our parents are rich
Itu gimana, keponakannya pun dibantu. Bantu semampunya aja. Jangan sampai membebani diri sendiri. Buat saudaranya, kalau nggak mampu, jangan beranak.
People need to start thinking that you (as an adult) choose to have a child or children, and not the other way around. Kids have no say who their parents are. The fairest is for parents to ensure that their kids have a future and set them off to live their own lives.
Putting aside some of your savings for your parents should be deemed as a bonus not a responsibility. Again, kids do not choose to be born, only parents decide (for whatever personal reasons) to have kids.
I like the idea of family helping each other, but it shouldn't make anyone feel burdened/ pressured. It is a form of slavery (but it is worse than the actual modern slavery because it is literally your own family making you feel that way).
Ada baiknya jika orangtuanya msh mampu beraktivitas. Beri mrk modal utk memiliki usaha, sehingga mrk bs menafkahi diri sendiri. Cari solusi bersama dan saling support. Ortu pastinya tidak ingin menjadi beban buat anak2 mrk.
Hahahah.
Di saya sih ortu cuma sebatas berenti ikut campur masalah pilihan karir selepas saya lulus SMA mau masuk kuliah, walapun tetep sampe detik ini masih suka ngasih nasihat² kosong yang ga diminta.
Akhirnya ya mesti survive pake cara sendiri karena dari kecil hampir ga pernah dibimbing gimana caranya menentukan karir yang tepat.
@@xquisidtapi bukannya itu bagus kak. Bebas menentukan pilihan sendiri tanpa dituntut harus menjadi apa.
@@Adrian-hj6kl "Bebas" tapi masih nuntut ini-itu. Kontradiktif dengan sikap mereka sendiri.
Ini Video lama sepertinya...masih terlihat bus kopaja 😂
Anah is on the extreme side though, she needs not only to support herself, her daughter, her parents. But also nieces and nephews, that's insane even for Indonesia standard.
I hope the best for Anah. I hope she can break the chain, and her daughter to not to bear such burden anymore.
In India also in poor households this happens..few middle class family also facing.. I wish these people's income increase soon.. giving some money to parents is fine but being a sole supporter to you younger siblings education plaus also supporting some relative its distressing. I feel lucky enough of not being a sandwich generation, though my parents generation suffered from this. Kudos to them for taking responsibility and complaining less.
02:43 memang harusnya gitu sih, kenapa baru muncul di otak2 yg seumuran kita ? nenek ama ortu kita kemana ? perlu di teliti
I just came taking a course in a poor community, she is 15 years younger than me. During the lesson, both her mother including in laws were asking money to her. Both of her parents are still strong and healthy.
The system in Indonesia failed to provide jobs for people abovd 30 years old. In US, UK and Europe along with its allies, you can find easily old people working as a cashier registers, etc.
S Gen was already from 1970s
if i were her husband i would tell her to upscale her product, piscok (choco banana dessert), put it in plastic container and distribute it to frozen food marts and distributor. what indonesians like her lacking is marketing knowledge and you won't get it from school. me as a business owner of restaurant and cafe used to restock ingredients from local business like her piscok (choco banana dessert) and serve it to my customer in a fancy restaurant or cafes. i know i'm helping local business by using their products and market it to high end customers.
The elderly dont have any pension?
nope. it was used for the kids' education.
They are low/middle class. It is common here in Indonesia that many elderly dont have any income.
not everyone have a formal job like civil servant etc.
even my mom in her whole life, just do an informal job.
I wish I was born in Denmark.
Very different the way chinese Indonesian parents raise the children and native Indonesian
Native Indonesian parents mostly become a burden for their children
And what's funny is the native blame the Chinese for being poor. 😂😂😂
The ones who refuse, hate, or don't want to be 'sandwich generation' are usually the ones who have parents who don't do their job as parents. Those who understand what their parents have done to provide them with a better life and better education despite having low income will try to provide their parents with a better life. That's why in Indonesia most parents wish for their kids to "mengangkat derajat keluarga" raise their family's status (socio-economy) by giving good education. But we also need to point out that most Indonesian grandparents weren't civil servants and when they were active, there wasn't any BPJS-TK or social security/pension insurance. Nowadays, some companies pay a percentage of the pension insurance and this should be helpful for the next generation. But, unless you start creating your own business, you'll be stuck in poverty, especially when you are not in your active years anymore.
I can't even read all of this comments here, it's make my heart extremely hurt seeing what a lot of people have been through because they were born of irresponsible parents 💔
In my case, reading all these comments gives me feeling that i'm not alone😂
Thats why we choose child free NOW
Benar, sebagai generasi sandwich, saya juga ingin mengusahakan supaya saya sudah ada dana pensiun agar dihari tua bisa lebih mandiri.