Very interesting, i was wondering how good the scrambler setting would be. You've explained exactly what I was looking for. I'm hoping to get a couple of these units with the KDU at some point in the near future. Great video man, thanks very much for explaining it all so clearly
@@nicke.3536 Considering hams are not allowed to use encryption it isn't worth it to make it good. There are diy solutions if real military radio is not an option
We used an skl to fill our Haris 152s and any other 152 that wasn't filled didnt even pick up the coms of the non filled 152s even on the same filled frequency even with the same frequency and on ct
Is the encryption the same on all radios, so anyone with a radio that is the same model, you can hear the encrypted transmission ? Or is there a security key like Motorola radios have ?
You're better off speaking pig latin for security than using this "scrambler". It's literally the most insecure type of transmission obfuscation you can get
Unfortunately, they seem to be out of stock everywhere, even on TRI's official stores. I think production of the 117Gs are on hold, either because they never really sold well or because TRI is currently working on an updated version. There are rumors out there saying both of these things.
@@hypemilitaria6447 That's awesome, thanks for the information. All good things to look forwards to acquiring at some point then. Thanks for the fast reply again brother 🍻
@@hypemilitaria6447 Hello again man, Hope you're doing well? Do you know of anywhere that has a TRI PRC-152 in stock? I've been struggling for weeks to find another one. Cheers
I do, but their 117G has been out of production for quite a while now indeed. Albeit there are rumors that they will release an updated version in 2022.
Have you successfully programmed your radio with a computer? you mentioned that the middle position is for programming, i've not heard of that with the TRI radio?
@@hypemilitaria6447 Im just a tad curious where you found a reference on that it is able to program via computer? As per the manual there's three modes of that switch PT - Voice Compression (some added bitrate) LD - Normal operations VHF/UHF Analog transmissions CT - Voice Envcryption (Basically just a normal modulation of the signal) So if you could point me in a direction where you have seen that the TRI are computer programmable, then i can start investigating that, as i already have aserial option of doing it, but it is _really_ slow going.
@@SneakingMoose Now that you've brought this up, I think I may have been mistaken. I distinctly remember reading a manual showing that PC programming was an option but that may have been the TCA one. I'll ask some inside folks here whether or not the rumored programming cable is even in TRI's pipeline.
@@CallMeColtLLC First "public" mention of it, but I've had a couple dudes beta test a device I created, with a piece of software, that automates and programs the newer generations TRI-152, everything is finalizing right now and I am waiting on the prototype enclosure! This allows better remote control and automated programming from a computer/android phone. Will probably announce in one or several of the FB groups eventually!
Or!!! Get some Motorola mil surplus radios for $280/ea and have true 128bit encryption. Plus, add $80 for a Bluetooth connector for programming from your smartphone. Way cheaper and much better and huge market support! Or go modern comms, get an earbud. Connect to your phone, setup a zoom meeting, invite your team, now you are encrypted, infinite range (most areas) and you get live audio and no need to push the ptt. Keep your hands on what you need to hold.
@@coolbeanzs He is probably refering to the military version of Motorola XTS-2500 (AN/PRC-153) or the XTS-5000. The basic civilian model is a p25 phase 1 digital radio(which is FDMA, with early IMBE vocoder, note that later phase 1 radios got AMBE+2 vocoders, but they still have backwards compatibility with the early models). It has GEN3 Night Vision compatible screen and used to have military grade encryption modes until they made it to the second hand civilian market, but they still have hardware implemented AES-256. It's still compatible with any p25 phase 1 AES-256 radio with the same encryption key that you can set in the CPS software of the radio. So you can use it with old EF Johnson p25 radios, Motorola XTS(handhelds) series, XTL(big mobile radio) series, any p25 phase 1 with AES256 (regardles what kind of vocoder they have). Keep it mind phase 1 and phase 2 are not compatible with each other. Phase 2 is using TDMA.
The TRI uses a different scrambler and is imo much better than the TCA. With the TCA I can still clearly hear what I’m saying but with the TRI I can’t. When I use the scrambler on both, I can’t hear what one is saying to the other so no they are not compatible
I know it's been a while since you did this video, but would you have time to go over some of the features, and programing that has not been covered? Thank you...
I'm still unsure : is the Tri PRC 152 on active CT scrambler mode able to be received by another Tri PRC 152 with CT scrambler mode enabled ? Here's hoping that my mate's Tri PRC 152 was faulty cos on CT it could be descrambled by a cheap Baofeng 888's Beat Shift. Now I'm not saying the Tri PRC 152 is a poor, overpriced radio but I don't think the programming sticker on the side will let you do frequency hopping rolling code.
Yeah, the TRI PRC-152 has more value as LARP flex than as an actual device to communicate with. It's capable but as you said, there are better options for the same money.
British Army Cadet Force, a youth organisation, bought 50 of these, about 10 years ago. They are like a military scout organisation, and have no wartime role due to there age.
@@jddavis8431 where on earth do you even find the civilian one that is thousands of dollars. I’ve heard people talking about them but I never actually found one
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"A normal radio like a baoang UV5R"? These TRI/TEA/etc radios are little more than a UV5R in a fancy case, in fact in many ways they are not as capable as a UV5R for other baofeng radios. I still do not understand why people are paying between $300 and $600 for these. Save you money and buy a decent radio instead.
Very unsecure voice inversion, easily decrypted by other radios and its even programs for the computer to use. An aor scannaer with that funktion can easily descramble it.
PT = Plain Text, LD = Load, CT = Cipher Text. On "real" PT/CT MIl radios LD is where you load the TEK or KEK variables.
Very interesting, i was wondering how good the scrambler setting would be. You've explained exactly what I was looking for. I'm hoping to get a couple of these units with the KDU at some point in the near future. Great video man, thanks very much for explaining it all so clearly
Wow.. this is absolutely amazing, I need to get a couple of these
Unless you buy the key loader. If you do, you can load your own key.. ensuring that your communications are secure.
You sure that's available for the TRI not just the real military Harris radio this isn't a real harris
Where do you buy the key loader?
That sounds like Voice Inversion Scrambling instead of digital encryption.
It is indeed a very simple scrambler. The TRI PRC-152 is not capable of handling any digital modulations.
yeah... totally useless... a toy for boyscouts.
@@nicke.3536 Considering hams are not allowed to use encryption it isn't worth it to make it good. There are diy solutions if real military radio is not an option
How does digital encryption sound?
@@nicke.3536 yea, he should use Baofeng, like the real HAMers 🤣
We used an skl to fill our Haris 152s and any other 152 that wasn't filled didnt even pick up the coms of the non filled 152s even on the same filled frequency even with the same frequency and on ct
Does this radio have a scrambler function that works with the PX-888K scrambler function?
so in normal mode i can use it with baofeng uv5r?
Yup! You can use it with basically any VHF/UHF radio out there
Is the encryption the same on all radios, so anyone with a radio that is the same model, you can hear the encrypted transmission ?
Or is there a security key like Motorola radios have ?
No security key, just a universal scrambler.
You're better off speaking pig latin for security than using this "scrambler". It's literally the most insecure type of transmission obfuscation you can get
Have you access to the PRC 117G radio type? They looks very cool & there's only one video of it out there.
Unfortunately, they seem to be out of stock everywhere, even on TRI's official stores. I think production of the 117Gs are on hold, either because they never really sold well or because TRI is currently working on an updated version. There are rumors out there saying both of these things.
@@hypemilitaria6447 That's awesome, thanks for the information. All good things to look forwards to acquiring at some point then. Thanks for the fast reply again brother 🍻
@@hypemilitaria6447 Hello again man, Hope you're doing well?
Do you know of anywhere that has a TRI PRC-152 in stock? I've been struggling for weeks to find another one. Cheers
@@SC-xb6qb I'd say AliExpress or eBay; sellers in China tend to have them in stock, the issue will be the long wait times for shipping.
is TIDRADIO H3 compatible with this scrambler?
Do you have any links or access to TRI store? Looking at their 177G but it's not being made.
I do, but their 117G has been out of production for quite a while now indeed. Albeit there are rumors that they will release an updated version in 2022.
Have you successfully programmed your radio with a computer? you mentioned that the middle position is for programming, i've not heard of that with the TRI radio?
Not yet. Unfortunately, a compatible programming cable doesn't yet exist.
@@hypemilitaria6447 Im just a tad curious where you found a reference on that it is able to program via computer?
As per the manual there's three modes of that switch
PT - Voice Compression (some added bitrate)
LD - Normal operations VHF/UHF Analog transmissions
CT - Voice Envcryption (Basically just a normal modulation of the signal)
So if you could point me in a direction where you have seen that the TRI are computer programmable, then i can start investigating that, as i already have aserial option of doing it, but it is _really_ slow going.
@@SneakingMoose Now that you've brought this up, I think I may have been mistaken. I distinctly remember reading a manual showing that PC programming was an option but that may have been the TCA one. I'll ask some inside folks here whether or not the rumored programming cable is even in TRI's pipeline.
@@SneakingMoose I was wondering the same thing. Software programing the newer generation TRI radios is a mystery. Big sad.
@@CallMeColtLLC First "public" mention of it, but I've had a couple dudes beta test a device I created, with a piece of software, that automates and programs the newer generations TRI-152, everything is finalizing right now and I am waiting on the prototype enclosure!
This allows better remote control and automated programming from a computer/android phone.
Will probably announce in one or several of the FB groups eventually!
Citadel and standard AES256 and 128 are in real Harris.
Is that a real PRC-152 or a replica?
Real PRC-152 is supposed to have a very strong encryption.
It's a replica radio, not a real PRC-152. Albeit one that's quite well made.
@@hypemilitaria6447 how could you get a replica
@@theturbotickler They're widely available online. You can find listings on eBay and AliExpress, and also on various airsoft retail sites.
Is it code hopping scrambler? Can it work with standard analog repeaters?
No, it's not a code-hopping scrambler, but yes it can be used with a repeater.
Or!!! Get some Motorola mil surplus radios for $280/ea and have true 128bit encryption. Plus, add $80 for a Bluetooth connector for programming from your smartphone. Way cheaper and much better and huge market support!
Or go modern comms, get an earbud. Connect to your phone, setup a zoom meeting, invite your team, now you are encrypted, infinite range (most areas) and you get live audio and no need to push the ptt. Keep your hands on what you need to hold.
Do you have a make and model number of the Motorola radio that you are referring to?
I'd love to go and do some research
@@coolbeanzs He is probably refering to the military version of Motorola XTS-2500 (AN/PRC-153) or the XTS-5000. The basic civilian model is a p25 phase 1 digital radio(which is FDMA, with early IMBE vocoder, note that later phase 1 radios got AMBE+2 vocoders, but they still have backwards compatibility with the early models). It has GEN3 Night Vision compatible screen and used to have military grade encryption modes until they made it to the second hand civilian market, but they still have hardware implemented AES-256. It's still compatible with any p25 phase 1 AES-256 radio with the same encryption key that you can set in the CPS software of the radio. So you can use it with old EF Johnson p25 radios, Motorola XTS(handhelds) series, XTL(big mobile radio) series, any p25 phase 1 with AES256 (regardles what kind of vocoder they have). Keep it mind phase 1 and phase 2 are not compatible with each other. Phase 2 is using TDMA.
@@laszlopentek8676 okay, thanks for the informed response. I didn’t think anyone was ever going to respond to that comment.
Are TCA and FCS 152 and 148 models compatible with their scrambler to the one from tri?
The TRI uses a different scrambler and is imo much better than the TCA. With the TCA I can still clearly hear what I’m saying but with the TRI I can’t. When I use the scrambler on both, I can’t hear what one is saying to the other so no they are not compatible
@@Roshan_420 thanks alot for the info!! :) got the prc117 in meanwhile
I know it's been a while since you did this video, but would you have time to go over some of the features, and programing that has not been covered? Thank you...
I'm still unsure : is the Tri PRC 152 on active CT scrambler mode able to be received by another Tri PRC 152 with CT scrambler mode enabled ? Here's hoping that my mate's Tri PRC 152 was faulty cos on CT it could be descrambled by a cheap Baofeng 888's Beat Shift. Now I'm not saying the Tri PRC 152 is a poor, overpriced radio but I don't think the programming sticker on the side will let you do frequency hopping rolling code.
Yeah, the TRI PRC-152 has more value as LARP flex than as an actual device to communicate with. It's capable but as you said, there are better options for the same money.
@@hypemilitaria6447 It's superb for cosplay comms. Especially when fitted with an Abree tactical antenna and a headset mic.
hi cantransmit on 290 to 300 Mhz ?
Does Harris sell these handsets to civilians?
@@belliduradespicio8009 😭
British Army Cadet Force, a youth organisation, bought 50 of these, about 10 years ago.
They are like a military scout organisation, and have no wartime role due to there age.
Probably, very, very expensive
No special voice scramblers or neay bells and whistles.
Harris does sell a sanitized version for the civilian market but it's a couple grand. The TRI is a good copy though.
@@jddavis8431 where on earth do you even find the civilian one that is thousands of dollars. I’ve heard people talking about them but I never actually found one
I feel like you just spent 10 minutes explaining something that could have been done in under a minute.
i feel that way about every youtube instructional or demonstration video
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@@hypemilitaria6447 thank you!
"A normal radio like a baoang UV5R"? These TRI/TEA/etc radios are little more than a UV5R in a fancy case, in fact in many ways they are not as capable as a UV5R for other baofeng radios. I still do not understand why people are paying between $300 and $600 for these.
Save you money and buy a decent radio instead.
LARP and collection. Basically that.
What decent radio would you recommend
Voice scrambling is not encryption
Very unsecure voice inversion, easily decrypted by other radios and its even programs for the computer to use.
An aor scannaer with that funktion can easily descramble it.
TYT TH-UV88 - $30 has scramble