All versions of... - Where No Man Has Gone Before (Star Trek pilot)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- The following video compares 3 versions of the second Star Trek pilot called "WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE". This video compares the pilot version with 2 broadcast versions - one of them released on a DVD, the second one on a Blu-ray.
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Very well done! I saw the original broadcast back in '66, but I was only 8 at the time, so details are fuzzy now. I only remembering watching Star Trek back then, and wanting to be Captain Kirk!
Oh I KNOW that feeling
I was only 2 at the time, but I still have memories of back then. I remember wondering why the costumes and intercoms were different (this was the third episode aired). A little later I figured this should have been the first episode (apparently, I was already familiar with differences between the first episode and later episode of shows).
I was 7 then and remember it (fuzzy too). I had a fairly early bedtime then, but this was the only TV show my mom (my parents had just separated) would allow me to stay up to watch.
I was 4 and this may have been past my bedtime pretty sure my my siblings were watching this though as they were 9, 10, 14 & 16.
My you’re spoiling us lately! I look forward to the breakdown of the redone effects.
This is incredibly interesting! Thanks for uploading :)
Glad you guys like it
I have watched this episode a countless number of times, and I have to say the DVD version is far superior because it touches on subjects that were still considered as "taboo" for network TV in the 1960s. Example: Kirk's unspoken lines with Spock in the chess game. Kirk implies that Spock has "bad blood" but Spock had mentioned earlier "one of his ancestors had married a human female" (of course referring to Sarek and Amanda Grayson), but the deleted line "but you may learn to enjoy it one day" was the taboo line, as interracial dating and marriage was still outlawed in 1965 in many southern states and that people would take offense to the connotation by Kirk. Plus where Mitchell trails behind Yeoman Smith. There was never heard of womanizing on network TV, and that too was considered risque to air. There are so many reasons why scenes were cut or extended, but the main concern in 1965 was the issue of censorship and the broadcast of "taboo" subjects. I still favor the DVD version because it is more dark and raw, and compelling. I welcome any contradictions to my post here.
I wanna put this out there that the pilot version of the episode is now included on the 2021 Blu-ray boxset of the series. So if your worried missing out, don't. It's a bonus feature on the sixth disc of the third season, for some reason, but hey it's still there.
They’re real fond of stuffing the pilots onto TOS Season 3 sets.
Well done! Thanks for creating this video
Fantastic job on all these videos thank you
Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed them. Next video is planned for this Friday.
I said it before in a comment when you were looking through "Where No Man..." - the line "...but you may learn to enjoy it some day" is one I am sure that Roddenberry et. al. later greatly regretted cutting, because it prefigured a central development in the on-screen humanizing of Spock's character, all the way into the feature films and "Next Generation."
I believe the network forced them to cut it, as they considered it suggestive. Not sure though.
@@domainofthesun4400 No idea. None at all.
Okay, I am the 161st person to like it and I just subscribed. I've been looking for side-by-side comparisons like this. Thank you very much! 😎🖖
Awesome! Thank you!
The version on the left is more like a Quinn Martin production (the "Act I, Act II, etc. is typical for Quinn Martin).
They were trying something new. Thankfully they didn't keep it for the series
You're exactly right. It was a copy of the QM style, popular at the time in series like "The Fugitive."
Either QM or Irwin Allen.
I have Star Trek, the old series on VHS cassette and I really like it. I did not know that there were a number of different versions of the pilot episode. One thing is that it is being screened repeatedly here in the UK, but it is the "tarted up" version with CGI - is it still possible to get the mono grainy 1960s version of Star Trek on DVD or Blu-Ray ? Some how, for me at least, the modern effects seem to spoil the show.
I agree! I despise the new effects. They look cheap and really stand out in a bad way. If you get the hard plastic red, blue, and yellow clam-shell box sets, those have the superior original effects.
The original version rather than the broadcast version is what we had on the BBC for a number of years
I really have to get my act together and get a dvd and bluray player...CBS freeview uk butchery channel really REALLY ain't cutting it....great posting...keep it up geezah👉🇬🇧👈 ps women in trousers!!
Those very first few episodes, Earthlings in space in the 23rd century---to me, it seemed like the whole prospect of Starfleet personnel were exclusively "human". For a series set in the distant future some 200-300 years, there was little to none in the way of "alien personnel" aboard any given Starfleet starship or starbase.
Spock was an "alien", yes; but he was relatively humanoid.
These days, (and going back to the advent of Star Wars in the mid '70s), there are alien personnel a dime a dozen within any human organization.
That's cause Kirk evicted all the aliens when he took command of the Enterprise. One green blooded, unemotional, sexless creature was enough.
I'd like a "version" with all or as much of footage as exists for a "complete" show.
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Hello! Typos in your paragraphs at the start. But still, I like the premise. So I will keep viewing until the end. 🖖
Yeah, sorry for that, I would need a proof-reader some times. Glad you enjoyed it anyway
I like the tan shirts!
I've got the original series on Blu-ray and it has what it says is the rare and unaired alternate version of the episode where no man has gone before.
Mitchell looks completely stoned and spaced out from the very beginning.
I actually like the pilot version just because of the novelty.
Love this stuff! But if you watched cowboy fights in the 1960's westerns, they beat the tar out of each other, so I don't think the fight scenes were too violent for TV.
Have you read the "These Are the Voyages" books? Some of the memos from NBC are re-printed there and it's really funny to read what was not acceptable.
@@TrekkieChannel It is possible. In 1975 I purchased Trouble with Tribbles, The Making of Star Trek, The World of Star Trek, the star trek blue prints, The Star Fleet Technical Manual. The Making of Star Trek contained lots of Roddenberry's memos and letters. I do remember memos between Gene and NBC about what they could and couldn't do or show. I later picked up the ST Compendium and Inside Star Trek The Real Story by Herbert F. Solow and Bob Justman. There is a two-hour TH-cam video by the same name with both those gentlemen on audio.
@@TrekkieChannel Wayyyyy back in the day, "The Making of Star Trek" quoted some memos - IIRC the network got very specific and hairsplitting about what was and was not allowed
Why is Kirk’s grave RIP James R Kirk? In this episode when he is always referred to as James T (Tiberius) Kirk elsewhere.
Probably a spelling goof. I mean R is right next to T on a Keyboard so whoever typed up the script probably made an typo and it ended up all the way to production! XD
The name "Tiberius" hadn't been decided on yet. And in the 1960's no one expected that people would pay attention to every single detail on the show and that we'd be able to watch it any time, any where and catch all the little details.
It's actually adressed in the video I just uploaded :)
TrekkieChannel Sorry . Didn’t watch it yet it just reminded me about the gravestone.
the name Tiberius appeared long after TOS ended. And incidentally it's a ridiculous name - embarrassingly bad because it;s totally unbelievable. What parents would give their Iowa-born son the name of a tyrannical Roman emperor, in between the simple and direct names James & Kirk? Absurdly pretentious. James Napoleon Kirk, James Odysseus Kirk, it's in that league.
So how many parts 2 this? Then My Man...
There will be just 2 videos - the first one compares the versions, the second one compares the effects - and will be uploaded tomorrow. Only The Cage was so complicated :)
I'd like to know why there is a detention cell on Delta Vega, when it's visited only once every twenty years...
Why was there never action figures made of Gary Mitchell and Elizabeth Dehner... with glowing eyes?!?
I don't know but I would definitely buy it.
Plus the reason that line from Kirk was cut because it would send up a red flag to the censors.
exactly.
WTF is going on with youtube recently. Why is everyone lowering the volume on their vids. The speakers on my laptop cant provide the loudness needed. I'm so frustrated!
not sure if this is the right place to post this question, but did Kirk have the option to not attempt the galaxy barrier probe? After all, they had just learned that the Valiant's destruction was a result of its crossing of the 'barrier'.
I realize this is 20/20 hindsight, but that probe cost quite a few lives according to the story. In fact, Kirk ended up losing three of his senior staff: Dehner, Mitchell, and lieutenant Kelso.
Actually Kirk would have bought the farm as well if not for Doctor Dehner.
Think about that. Your helmsman, your navigator, and a good psychiatrist, all dead because of that mission.
And it might sound crazy, but I was thinking a non mutated Sally Kellerman as a regular on Star Trek might have been pretty cool.
Well, we wouldn't have a story if he didn't go through it :) And yeah, Sally Kellerman as a regular psychiatrist could be a great addition to the team
No. As a woman myself I find Kellerman too bossy. She would not have fit in but would have interfered a lot!
@@beasmith5262 she certainly argues freely with the men as if she were a peer professional... I'm not sure how you find her bossy?
@@domainofthesun4400 Well, let me put it to you this way. I am a woman and I am appalled at ladies who act like they are so superior in strength to men. Men do have their strong moments too. Sally Kellerman was obviously a bit of a bully to have around. Poor Andrea Dromm OTOH looked like a sweet kid who probably did not act like she was so much stronger than every man who came her way.
@@beasmith5262 where does Dehner act like she's "superior in strength to men" ? I haven't got the least idea what you're talking about. Zero.
Some may have a very strong loyalty to the original effects. Understood. Controversy aside, it's nice work in this presentation. The background star field is a nice thought. .... However, you must concede that it's visually confusing... as foreground panels display sample scenes with similar stars in them. .... Just a thought. ...One possible solution could be to render background stars a different color/shade when displayed against the samples of foreground panels. Just thinking. Good work, though. Back to the controversy: original vs. new effects.
For the lovers of the original, I see their point. Especially if the alterations are more than just for effects. For the revision fans. I acknowledge the improvement. Perhaps the powers that be can make sure the original versions can remain intact and available while the improved version takes the stage. Both as opposed to either/or.
I was disappointed when I got the 'original' series on DVD and effects were all different. Not the same as I remembered them.
This episode is simply the best of the series, sorry bones!
Still prefer the Alexander
Courage version of the
Star Trek theme tune.
Paul Bacchus esq
Why would a crewman(Gary) be trying to "air grab" a crew woman - very unprofessional! - i see why THAT was cut.
Act 2 letting missing in this & other youtube comparisons! Why?
This is the only episode(all 3 vers) where you do not see phaser #1 or 2(spock has a LASER pistol like in the Cage) & yet there is a PHASER rifle, which BTW should have also been beamed down to the planet in the Horta episode! - Why wasn't it?!
Charlie X may be the only episode with male uniform shirts from the regular series(black collar) AND the 2 pilots(non black collar shirt Charlie was wearing)!
I actually did a video a few years ago where I synced the "air grab" scene with the famous Trump speech (grab 'em by the pussy) and it actually worked surprisingly well, I had comments from both anti-Trump people and pro-Trump people, both sides found it funny, unfortunately CBS didn't and they blocked it.
"Why would a crewman(Gary) be trying to "air grab" a crew woman - very unprofessional! - i see why THAT was cut." ....You're looking at it through the eyes of today. These would have been considered amusing acts showing the frisky sex drive of a red-blooded male. Though, notice he does not let the women see him do it. It's a man-to-man wink at the default male sci-fi audience - "We'd all like to grab this hot stuff, guys, wouldn't we, heh heh." In short, it was frisky but not the least bit wrong. Feminism in popular culture was years in the future. If the network cut the air-grabbing actions, it was solely because they were too suggestive. Nothing to do with any concept of sexual harassment or women's professional dignity.
These are good, but it would be better if you eliminated the moving star field behind the two video windows. It can be confusing and it clutters the screen. Thanks for your efforts though!
I can't unfortunately. Videos without it get blocked worldwide immediately
What about CGI?
Tomorrow
Who is this Elizabeth Dehner you say was laying on the ground? That was Sally Kellerman. Oops, you're talking about the character, not the actress. Never mind.
Correct
...... what?
I have every episode original on beta.
Do you still have a player? I wanted to check my VHS collection a few years back, when I realized that my VCR doesn't work anymore and all of the VCR repair shops we had in town for "some reason" went out of business years ago :)
And, Gary Lockwood was just as handsome in both versions.
The cage was a good "low budget" television pilot. --? LOL. No.
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